Prospects for Pastors; The December Project

♪ ♪ >>> COMING UP, LUCKY SEVERSON ON ♪ >>> COMING UP, LUCKY SEVERSON ON THE FRUSTRATION OF TRAINED, >>> COMING UP, LUCKY SEVERSON ON THE FRUSTRATION OF TRAINED, WOULD-BE MAINLINE PROTESTANT THE FRUSTRATION OF TRAINED, WOULD-BE MAINLINE PROTESTANT MINISTERS WHO CAN'T FIND JOBS WOULD-BE MAINLINE PROTESTANT MINISTERS WHO CAN'T FIND JOBS DOING THE WORK THEY FEEL CALLED MINISTERS WHO CAN'T FIND JOBS DOING THE WORK THEY FEEL CALLED BY GOD TO DO.

DOING THE WORK THEY FEEL CALLED BY GOD TO DO.

>> IT'S NOT JUST WHAT I DO.

BY GOD TO DO.

>> IT'S NOT JUST WHAT I DO.

IT'S WHAT I AM.

>> IT'S NOT JUST WHAT I DO.

IT'S WHAT I AM.

>>> ALSO, PREPARING TO DIE.

IT'S WHAT I AM.

>>> ALSO, PREPARING TO DIE.

BOB FAW REPORTS ON WHAT A >>> ALSO, PREPARING TO DIE.

BOB FAW REPORTS ON WHAT A PROMINENT RABBI CALLS HIS BOB FAW REPORTS ON WHAT A PROMINENT RABBI CALLS HIS DECEMBER PROJECT -- THE PROMINENT RABBI CALLS HIS DECEMBER PROJECT -- THE SPIRITUAL, THEOLOGICAL AND EVEN DECEMBER PROJECT -- THE SPIRITUAL, THEOLOGICAL AND EVEN MUSICAL WORK OF LEARNING TO SPIRITUAL, THEOLOGICAL AND EVEN MUSICAL WORK OF LEARNING TO TRUST AND LET GO.

MUSICAL WORK OF LEARNING TO TRUST AND LET GO.

>> I GOT MY TRAVELIN' SHOES.

TRUST AND LET GO.

>> I GOT MY TRAVELIN' SHOES.

BA-BUM, BA-BUM, BA-BUM.

>> I GOT MY TRAVELIN' SHOES.

BA-BUM, BA-BUM, BA-BUM.

RETIREMENT PRODUCTS.

BA-BUM, BA-BUM, BA-BUM.

RETIREMENT PRODUCTS.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE YOUR RETIREMENT RETIREMENT PRODUCTS.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE YOUR RETIREMENT COMPANY.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE YOUR RETIREMENT COMPANY.

>>> WELCOME.

COMPANY.

>>> WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

>>> WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

>>> FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

>>> FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS ARE MOBILIZING TO AID VICTIMS OF >>> FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS ARE MOBILIZING TO AID VICTIMS OF THIS WEEK'S DEADLY STORMS THAT ARE MOBILIZING TO AID VICTIMS OF THIS WEEK'S DEADLY STORMS THAT HIT LARGE SECTIONS OF THE THIS WEEK'S DEADLY STORMS THAT HIT LARGE SECTIONS OF THE COUNTRY.

HIT LARGE SECTIONS OF THE COUNTRY.

LOCAL CONGREGATIONS AND GROUPS COUNTRY.

LOCAL CONGREGATIONS AND GROUPS FROM MANY DENOMINATIONS ARE LOCAL CONGREGATIONS AND GROUPS FROM MANY DENOMINATIONS ARE HELPING TO ASSESS THE DAMAGE AND FROM MANY DENOMINATIONS ARE HELPING TO ASSESS THE DAMAGE AND DETERMINE NEEDS.

HELPING TO ASSESS THE DAMAGE AND DETERMINE NEEDS.

SEVERAL DISASTER RESPONSE TEAMS DETERMINE NEEDS.

SEVERAL DISASTER RESPONSE TEAMS PROVIDED MEALS AND WATER FOR SEVERAL DISASTER RESPONSE TEAMS PROVIDED MEALS AND WATER FOR FIRST RESPONDERS AND PEOPLE PROVIDED MEALS AND WATER FOR FIRST RESPONDERS AND PEOPLE DISPLACED FROM THEIR HOMES.

FIRST RESPONDERS AND PEOPLE DISPLACED FROM THEIR HOMES.

MANY GROUPS ARE NOW HELPING WITH DISPLACED FROM THEIR HOMES.

MANY GROUPS ARE NOW HELPING WITH CLEANUP AND DEVELOPING LONG TERM MANY GROUPS ARE NOW HELPING WITH CLEANUP AND DEVELOPING LONG TERM ASSISTANCE PLANS.

CLEANUP AND DEVELOPING LONG TERM ASSISTANCE PLANS.

>>> RELIGIOUS LEADERS ARE AMONG ASSISTANCE PLANS.

>>> RELIGIOUS LEADERS ARE AMONG THOSE CONDEMNING THIS WEEK'S >>> RELIGIOUS LEADERS ARE AMONG THOSE CONDEMNING THIS WEEK'S BOTCHED EXECUTION IN OKLAHOMA, THOSE CONDEMNING THIS WEEK'S BOTCHED EXECUTION IN OKLAHOMA, AND MANY ARE CALLING FOR A NEW BOTCHED EXECUTION IN OKLAHOMA, AND MANY ARE CALLING FOR A NEW EXAMINATION OF THE DEATH PENALTY AND MANY ARE CALLING FOR A NEW EXAMINATION OF THE DEATH PENALTY IN THE U.S.

EXAMINATION OF THE DEATH PENALTY IN THE U.S. OKLAHOMA CITY ROMAN CATHOLIC IN THE U.S. OKLAHOMA CITY ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP PAUL COAKLEY SAID THE OKLAHOMA CITY ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP PAUL COAKLEY SAID THE FAILED LETHAL INJECTION AND ARCHBISHOP PAUL COAKLEY SAID THE FAILED LETHAL INJECTION AND ULTIMATE HEART ATTACK DEATH OF FAILED LETHAL INJECTION AND ULTIMATE HEART ATTACK DEATH OF CONVICTED KILLER CLAYTON LOCKETT ULTIMATE HEART ATTACK DEATH OF CONVICTED KILLER CLAYTON LOCKETT HIGHLIGHT THE BRUTALITY OF THE CONVICTED KILLER CLAYTON LOCKETT HIGHLIGHT THE BRUTALITY OF THE DEATH PENALTY.

HIGHLIGHT THE BRUTALITY OF THE DEATH PENALTY.

THE GROUP PEOPLE OF FAITH DEATH PENALTY.

THE GROUP PEOPLE OF FAITH AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY URGED THE GROUP PEOPLE OF FAITH AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY URGED RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO STEP UP AGAINST THE DEATH PENALTY URGED RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO STEP UP EFFORTS TO ABOLISH ALL RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO STEP UP EFFORTS TO ABOLISH ALL EXECUTIONS.

EFFORTS TO ABOLISH ALL EXECUTIONS.

>>> ESCALATING VIOLENCE IN EXECUTIONS.

>>> ESCALATING VIOLENCE IN UKRAINE IS INTENSIFYING >>> ESCALATING VIOLENCE IN UKRAINE IS INTENSIFYING WORLDWIDE CONCERNS ABOUT THE UKRAINE IS INTENSIFYING WORLDWIDE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CRISIS WITH RUSSIA.

WORLDWIDE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CRISIS WITH RUSSIA.

MEANWHILE, ONE OF UKRAINE'S CRISIS WITH RUSSIA.

MEANWHILE, ONE OF UKRAINE'S HIGHEST PROFILE JEWS WAS SHOT MEANWHILE, ONE OF UKRAINE'S HIGHEST PROFILE JEWS WAS SHOT THIS WEEK.

HIGHEST PROFILE JEWS WAS SHOT THIS WEEK.

GENNADY KERENES, MAYOR OF THIS WEEK.

GENNADY KERENES, MAYOR OF UKRAINE'S SECOND LARGEST CITY, GENNADY KERENES, MAYOR OF UKRAINE'S SECOND LARGEST CITY, WAS FLOWN TO ISRAEL FOR UKRAINE'S SECOND LARGEST CITY, WAS FLOWN TO ISRAEL FOR TREATMENT.

WAS FLOWN TO ISRAEL FOR TREATMENT.

AT THE VATICAN, POPE FRANCIS TREATMENT.

AT THE VATICAN, POPE FRANCIS RENEWED CALLS FOR DIALOGUE AT THE VATICAN, POPE FRANCIS RENEWED CALLS FOR DIALOGUE DURING A MEETING WITH UKRAINE'S RENEWED CALLS FOR DIALOGUE DURING A MEETING WITH UKRAINE'S PRIME MINISTER.

DURING A MEETING WITH UKRAINE'S PRIME MINISTER.

AND IN MOSCOW, RUSSIAN ORTHODOX PRIME MINISTER.

AND IN MOSCOW, RUSSIAN ORTHODOX PATRIARCH KIRILL URGED CHURCH AND IN MOSCOW, RUSSIAN ORTHODOX PATRIARCH KIRILL URGED CHURCH LEADERS NOT TO TAKE SIDES IN THE PATRIARCH KIRILL URGED CHURCH LEADERS NOT TO TAKE SIDES IN THE CRISIS IN ORDER TO BETTER LEADERS NOT TO TAKE SIDES IN THE CRISIS IN ORDER TO BETTER ADVOCATE FOR PEACE.

CRISIS IN ORDER TO BETTER ADVOCATE FOR PEACE.

>>> MASS PROTESTS WERE HELD IN ADVOCATE FOR PEACE.

>>> MASS PROTESTS WERE HELD IN NIGERIA ON BEHALF OF MORE THAN >>> MASS PROTESTS WERE HELD IN NIGERIA ON BEHALF OF MORE THAN 270 SCHOOL GIRLS KIDNAPPED LAST NIGERIA ON BEHALF OF MORE THAN 270 SCHOOL GIRLS KIDNAPPED LAST MONTH.

270 SCHOOL GIRLS KIDNAPPED LAST MONTH.

CROWDS URGED THE NIGERIAN MONTH.

CROWDS URGED THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT TO DO MORE TO RESCUE CROWDS URGED THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT TO DO MORE TO RESCUE THEM.

GOVERNMENT TO DO MORE TO RESCUE THEM.

THIS WEEK, THERE WERE REPORTS THEM.

THIS WEEK, THERE WERE REPORTS THAT THE GIRLS ARE BEING SOLD THIS WEEK, THERE WERE REPORTS THAT THE GIRLS ARE BEING SOLD INTO MARRIAGE TO ISLAMIST THAT THE GIRLS ARE BEING SOLD INTO MARRIAGE TO ISLAMIST MILITANTS.

INTO MARRIAGE TO ISLAMIST MILITANTS.

ACTIVISTS HERE IN THE U.S. HAVE MILITANTS.

ACTIVISTS HERE IN THE U.S. HAVE ALSO TAKEN UP THE "BRING BACK ACTIVISTS HERE IN THE U.S. HAVE ALSO TAKEN UP THE "BRING BACK OUR GIRLS" CAMPAIGN.

ALSO TAKEN UP THE "BRING BACK OUR GIRLS" CAMPAIGN.

>>> THE UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST OUR GIRLS" CAMPAIGN.

>>> THE UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST AND SEVERAL LOCAL CLERGY FILED >>> THE UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST AND SEVERAL LOCAL CLERGY FILED AN UNUSUAL LAWSUIT THIS WEEK AND SEVERAL LOCAL CLERGY FILED AN UNUSUAL LAWSUIT THIS WEEK ARGUING THAT NORTH CAROLINA'S AN UNUSUAL LAWSUIT THIS WEEK ARGUING THAT NORTH CAROLINA'S BAN ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGE ARGUING THAT NORTH CAROLINA'S BAN ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGE VIOLATES THEIR RELIGIOUS BAN ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGE VIOLATES THEIR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.

VIOLATES THEIR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.

MANY GROUPS OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE FREEDOM.

MANY GROUPS OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE ON RELIGIOUS GROUNDS.

MANY GROUPS OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE ON RELIGIOUS GROUNDS.

BUT THIS LAWSUIT CLAIMS THAT ON RELIGIOUS GROUNDS.

BUT THIS LAWSUIT CLAIMS THAT BECAUSE PERFORMING MARRIAGES IS BUT THIS LAWSUIT CLAIMS THAT BECAUSE PERFORMING MARRIAGES IS A RELIGIOUS ACT, THE STATE IS BECAUSE PERFORMING MARRIAGES IS A RELIGIOUS ACT, THE STATE IS DENYING CLERGY WHO SUPPORT GAY A RELIGIOUS ACT, THE STATE IS DENYING CLERGY WHO SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE THE ABILITY TO EXERCISE DENYING CLERGY WHO SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE THE ABILITY TO EXERCISE THEIR FAITH.

MARRIAGE THE ABILITY TO EXERCISE THEIR FAITH.

>>> MORE THAN 250 EVANGELICAL THEIR FAITH.

>>> MORE THAN 250 EVANGELICAL PASTORS GATHERED IN WASHINGTON >>> MORE THAN 250 EVANGELICAL PASTORS GATHERED IN WASHINGTON TO PRAY FOR A BREAKTHROUGH IN PASTORS GATHERED IN WASHINGTON TO PRAY FOR A BREAKTHROUGH IN THE LEGISLATIVE STALEMATE OVER TO PRAY FOR A BREAKTHROUGH IN THE LEGISLATIVE STALEMATE OVER IMMIGRATION REFORM.

THE LEGISLATIVE STALEMATE OVER IMMIGRATION REFORM.

THEY ALSO LOBBIED CONGRESS TO IMMIGRATION REFORM.

THEY ALSO LOBBIED CONGRESS TO PASS A BILL THIS YEAR.

THEY ALSO LOBBIED CONGRESS TO PASS A BILL THIS YEAR.

THE LEADERS STRESSED THAT PASS A BILL THIS YEAR.

THE LEADERS STRESSED THAT IMMIGRATION IS A MORAL ISSUE.

THE LEADERS STRESSED THAT IMMIGRATION IS A MORAL ISSUE.

AMONG THEM WAS PROMINENT IMMIGRATION IS A MORAL ISSUE.

AMONG THEM WAS PROMINENT CONSERVATIVE SOUTHERN BAPTIST AMONG THEM WAS PROMINENT CONSERVATIVE SOUTHERN BAPTIST LEADER PAIGE PATTERSON.

CONSERVATIVE SOUTHERN BAPTIST LEADER PAIGE PATTERSON.

>> WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE LEADER PAIGE PATTERSON.

>> WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND TO >> WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND TO SUPPORT IMMIGRATION REFORM AND OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND TO SUPPORT IMMIGRATION REFORM AND SEE TO IT THAT AMERICA CONTINUES SUPPORT IMMIGRATION REFORM AND SEE TO IT THAT AMERICA CONTINUES TO BE A COUNTRY THAT FEARS GOD SEE TO IT THAT AMERICA CONTINUES TO BE A COUNTRY THAT FEARS GOD AND THAT REACHES OUT IN KINDNESS TO BE A COUNTRY THAT FEARS GOD AND THAT REACHES OUT IN KINDNESS AND LOVE.

AND THAT REACHES OUT IN KINDNESS AND LOVE.

>>> AMID SPECULATION ABOUT AND LOVE.

>>> AMID SPECULATION ABOUT WHETHER SHE'LL RUN FOR >>> AMID SPECULATION ABOUT WHETHER SHE'LL RUN FOR PRESIDENT, FORMER SECRETARY OF WHETHER SHE'LL RUN FOR PRESIDENT, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON MADE SOME PRESIDENT, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON MADE SOME RARE PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT HER STATE HILLARY CLINTON MADE SOME RARE PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT HER METHODIST FAITH.

RARE PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT HER METHODIST FAITH.

AT A GATHERING OF UNITED METHODIST FAITH.

AT A GATHERING OF UNITED METHODIST WOMEN IN LOUISVILLE, AT A GATHERING OF UNITED METHODIST WOMEN IN LOUISVILLE, CLINTON SPOKE ABOUT THE METHODIST WOMEN IN LOUISVILLE, CLINTON SPOKE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HER UPBRINGING IN CLINTON SPOKE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HER UPBRINGING IN THE CHURCH.

IMPORTANCE OF HER UPBRINGING IN THE CHURCH.

>> I ALWAYS CHERISHED THE THE CHURCH.

>> I ALWAYS CHERISHED THE METHODIST CHURCH BECAUSE IT GAVE >> I ALWAYS CHERISHED THE METHODIST CHURCH BECAUSE IT GAVE US THE GREAT GIFT OF PERSONAL METHODIST CHURCH BECAUSE IT GAVE US THE GREAT GIFT OF PERSONAL SALVATION BUT THE GREAT US THE GREAT GIFT OF PERSONAL SALVATION BUT THE GREAT OBLIGATION OF SOCIAL GOSPEL.

SALVATION BUT THE GREAT OBLIGATION OF SOCIAL GOSPEL.

HAVING HOPE, FAITH AND LOVE IN OBLIGATION OF SOCIAL GOSPEL.

HAVING HOPE, FAITH AND LOVE IN ACTION WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE HAVING HOPE, FAITH AND LOVE IN ACTION WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE CALLED TO DO.

ACTION WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE CALLED TO DO.

>>> WE HAVE A LUCKY SEVERSON CALLED TO DO.

>>> WE HAVE A LUCKY SEVERSON STORY TODAY ON THE FRUSTRATION >>> WE HAVE A LUCKY SEVERSON STORY TODAY ON THE FRUSTRATION AND DISAPPOINTMENT OF STORY TODAY ON THE FRUSTRATION AND DISAPPOINTMENT OF SEMINARY-TRAINED MEN AND WOMEN AND DISAPPOINTMENT OF SEMINARY-TRAINED MEN AND WOMEN WHO FEEL CALLED BY GOD TO BE SEMINARY-TRAINED MEN AND WOMEN WHO FEEL CALLED BY GOD TO BE MINISTERS BUT WHO CAN'T FIND WHO FEEL CALLED BY GOD TO BE MINISTERS BUT WHO CAN'T FIND MAINLINE PROTESTANT CHURCHES MINISTERS BUT WHO CAN'T FIND MAINLINE PROTESTANT CHURCHES THAT CAN AFFORD TO HIRE THEM.

MAINLINE PROTESTANT CHURCHES THAT CAN AFFORD TO HIRE THEM.

PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THE THAT CAN AFFORD TO HIRE THEM.

PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THE LINGERING RECESSION.

PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THE LINGERING RECESSION.

PART OF IT IS THE MAINLINE LINGERING RECESSION.

PART OF IT IS THE MAINLINE DECLINE -- FEWER CHURCH MEMBERS, PART OF IT IS THE MAINLINE DECLINE -- FEWER CHURCH MEMBERS, THEREFORE LESS MONEY TO PAY DECLINE -- FEWER CHURCH MEMBERS, THEREFORE LESS MONEY TO PAY PASTORS.

THEREFORE LESS MONEY TO PAY PASTORS.

>> Reporter: MATT SEILBACK PASTORS.

>> Reporter: MATT SEILBACK GRADUATED FROM COVENANT >> Reporter: MATT SEILBACK GRADUATED FROM COVENANT THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY IN GRADUATED FROM COVENANT THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY IN ST. LOUIS, BUT NOW HE CREATES THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY IN ST. LOUIS, BUT NOW HE CREATES VIDEOS.

ST. LOUIS, BUT NOW HE CREATES VIDEOS.

HE MADE A CHOICE THAT AN VIDEOS.

HE MADE A CHOICE THAT AN INCREASING NUMBER OF SEMINARY HE MADE A CHOICE THAT AN INCREASING NUMBER OF SEMINARY AND DIVINITY SCHOOL GRADUATES INCREASING NUMBER OF SEMINARY AND DIVINITY SCHOOL GRADUATES ARE BEING FORCED TO DO SOMETHING AND DIVINITY SCHOOL GRADUATES ARE BEING FORCED TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN BEING A PASTOR.

ARE BEING FORCED TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN BEING A PASTOR.

>> I HAD SOME PHONE CALLS, OTHER THAN BEING A PASTOR.

>> I HAD SOME PHONE CALLS, INTERVIEWS BUT NOTHING >> I HAD SOME PHONE CALLS, INTERVIEWS BUT NOTHING ULTIMATELY PANNED OUT.

INTERVIEWS BUT NOTHING ULTIMATELY PANNED OUT.

OUR FILM COMPANY THAT I STARTED, ULTIMATELY PANNED OUT.

OUR FILM COMPANY THAT I STARTED, OUR FOCUS IS TO CULTIVATE OUR FILM COMPANY THAT I STARTED, OUR FOCUS IS TO CULTIVATE GOODNESS, TO UPROOT UGLINESS AND OUR FOCUS IS TO CULTIVATE GOODNESS, TO UPROOT UGLINESS AND CULTIVATE GOODNESS, AND TO SHOW GOODNESS, TO UPROOT UGLINESS AND CULTIVATE GOODNESS, AND TO SHOW GOOD IN THE WORLD.

CULTIVATE GOODNESS, AND TO SHOW GOOD IN THE WORLD.

>> Reporter: ALLEN SIPE STARTED GOOD IN THE WORLD.

>> Reporter: ALLEN SIPE STARTED LOOKING FOR A PASTORING JOB LONG >> Reporter: ALLEN SIPE STARTED LOOKING FOR A PASTORING JOB LONG BEFORE HE GRADUATED WITH A LOOKING FOR A PASTORING JOB LONG BEFORE HE GRADUATED WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE THREE YEARS AGO.

BEFORE HE GRADUATED WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE THREE YEARS AGO.

FOR NOW, HE'S WORKING AS A MASTER'S DEGREE THREE YEARS AGO.

FOR NOW, HE'S WORKING AS A SHOPPING MALL SECURITY GUARD.

FOR NOW, HE'S WORKING AS A SHOPPING MALL SECURITY GUARD.

>> IT'S DISHEARTENING.

SHOPPING MALL SECURITY GUARD.

>> IT'S DISHEARTENING.

YOU KNOW, YOU SEND OUT SCORES OF >> IT'S DISHEARTENING.

YOU KNOW, YOU SEND OUT SCORES OF RESUMES AND GET NO ANSWERS.

YOU KNOW, YOU SEND OUT SCORES OF RESUMES AND GET NO ANSWERS.

>> Reporter: THE REALITY IS RESUMES AND GET NO ANSWERS.

>> Reporter: THE REALITY IS THERE ARE NOT NEARLY AS MANY >> Reporter: THE REALITY IS THERE ARE NOT NEARLY AS MANY AVAILABLE JOBS AS PASTORS AS THERE ARE NOT NEARLY AS MANY AVAILABLE JOBS AS PASTORS AS THERE WERE EVEN A FEW YEARS AGO.

AVAILABLE JOBS AS PASTORS AS THERE WERE EVEN A FEW YEARS AGO.

SEMINARIES AND DIVINITY SCHOOLS THERE WERE EVEN A FEW YEARS AGO.

SEMINARIES AND DIVINITY SCHOOLS HAVE SEEN A DROP IN ENROLLMENT, SEMINARIES AND DIVINITY SCHOOLS HAVE SEEN A DROP IN ENROLLMENT, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE NUMBER OF HAVE SEEN A DROP IN ENROLLMENT, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE NUMBER OF GRADUATES WHO BECOME PASTORS.

AND ESPECIALLY IN THE NUMBER OF GRADUATES WHO BECOME PASTORS.

THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS, BUT GRADUATES WHO BECOME PASTORS.

THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS, BUT THE MAIN ONE IS THAT NOT AS MANY THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS, BUT THE MAIN ONE IS THAT NOT AS MANY PEOPLE ARE ATTENDING MAINLINE THE MAIN ONE IS THAT NOT AS MANY PEOPLE ARE ATTENDING MAINLINE CHURCHES ANYMORE.

PEOPLE ARE ATTENDING MAINLINE CHURCHES ANYMORE.

SO THERE IS LESS NEED AND LESS CHURCHES ANYMORE.

SO THERE IS LESS NEED AND LESS MONEY TO AFFORD A PASTOR.

SO THERE IS LESS NEED AND LESS MONEY TO AFFORD A PASTOR.

THIS IS GREG STERLING, DEAN OF MONEY TO AFFORD A PASTOR.

THIS IS GREG STERLING, DEAN OF THE YALE DIVINITY SCHOOL.

THIS IS GREG STERLING, DEAN OF THE YALE DIVINITY SCHOOL.

>> THERE ARE ABOUT THE YALE DIVINITY SCHOOL.

>> THERE ARE ABOUT 300,000 CONGREGATIONS AND >> THERE ARE ABOUT 300,000 CONGREGATIONS AND CHURCHES IN THE UNITED STATES.

300,000 CONGREGATIONS AND CHURCHES IN THE UNITED STATES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF CHURCHES IN THE UNITED STATES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ARE FINANCIALLY VIABLE IN I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ARE FINANCIALLY VIABLE IN THE SENSE OF HAVING THE CAPACITY THOSE ARE FINANCIALLY VIABLE IN THE SENSE OF HAVING THE CAPACITY OF SUPPORTING SOMEONE ON A THE SENSE OF HAVING THE CAPACITY OF SUPPORTING SOMEONE ON A FULL-TIME BASIS, BUT MY GUESS IS OF SUPPORTING SOMEONE ON A FULL-TIME BASIS, BUT MY GUESS IS THAT THE MAJORITY ARE NOT.

FULL-TIME BASIS, BUT MY GUESS IS THAT THE MAJORITY ARE NOT.

>> Reporter: YALE DIVINITY THAT THE MAJORITY ARE NOT.

>> Reporter: YALE DIVINITY SCHOOL STUDENTS COME FROM >> Reporter: YALE DIVINITY SCHOOL STUDENTS COME FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS.

SCHOOL STUDENTS COME FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS.

LAST YEAR ONLY ONE IN FIVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS.

LAST YEAR ONLY ONE IN FIVE GRADUATES WENT ON TO BECOME LAST YEAR ONLY ONE IN FIVE GRADUATES WENT ON TO BECOME CHURCH PASTORS.

GRADUATES WENT ON TO BECOME CHURCH PASTORS.

16% BECAME CHAPLAINS AT CHURCH PASTORS.

16% BECAME CHAPLAINS AT HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS.

16% BECAME CHAPLAINS AT HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS.

ABOUT THAT MANY WILL TEACH IN HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS.

ABOUT THAT MANY WILL TEACH IN PAROCHIAL AND INDEPENDENT ABOUT THAT MANY WILL TEACH IN PAROCHIAL AND INDEPENDENT SCHOOLS.

PAROCHIAL AND INDEPENDENT SCHOOLS.

A MAJORITY OF THE REST GO TO SCHOOLS.

A MAJORITY OF THE REST GO TO WORK FOR NONPROFITS, LIKE STEVEN A MAJORITY OF THE REST GO TO WORK FOR NONPROFITS, LIKE STEVEN MASBACH.

WORK FOR NONPROFITS, LIKE STEVEN MASBACH.

EVEN AS HE COMPLETES HIS MASBACH.

EVEN AS HE COMPLETES HIS THREE-YEAR MASTER'S DEGREE, HE'S EVEN AS HE COMPLETES HIS THREE-YEAR MASTER'S DEGREE, HE'S WORKING FOR A CHURCH THREE-YEAR MASTER'S DEGREE, HE'S WORKING FOR A CHURCH ORGANIZATION THAT BUILDS WORKING FOR A CHURCH ORGANIZATION THAT BUILDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

ORGANIZATION THAT BUILDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

HE HAS A MASTER'S IN REAL ESTATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

HE HAS A MASTER'S IN REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AND WAS ARRANGING HE HAS A MASTER'S IN REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AND WAS ARRANGING FINANCING FOR RICH HOME BUYERS, DEVELOPMENT AND WAS ARRANGING FINANCING FOR RICH HOME BUYERS, BUT SOMETHING WAS MISSING.

FINANCING FOR RICH HOME BUYERS, BUT SOMETHING WAS MISSING.

>> MISSING IN THE SENSE THAT BUT SOMETHING WAS MISSING.

>> MISSING IN THE SENSE THAT WHEN YOU'RE GIVING FINANCING TO >> MISSING IN THE SENSE THAT WHEN YOU'RE GIVING FINANCING TO MULTIMILLIONAIRES IN NEW YORK WHEN YOU'RE GIVING FINANCING TO MULTIMILLIONAIRES IN NEW YORK CITY, AND YOU'RE SAVING THEM AN MULTIMILLIONAIRES IN NEW YORK CITY, AND YOU'RE SAVING THEM AN EIGHTH ON THEIR MORTGAGE RATE, CITY, AND YOU'RE SAVING THEM AN EIGHTH ON THEIR MORTGAGE RATE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY HELPING ANYONE EIGHTH ON THEIR MORTGAGE RATE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY HELPING ANYONE BUT THEM.

YOU'RE NOT REALLY HELPING ANYONE BUT THEM.

>> Reporter: SO HE APPLIED AT BUT THEM.

>> Reporter: SO HE APPLIED AT YALE, AND HE'S RECEIVED GENEROUS >> Reporter: SO HE APPLIED AT YALE, AND HE'S RECEIVED GENEROUS FINANCIAL AID FROM THE SCHOOL.

YALE, AND HE'S RECEIVED GENEROUS FINANCIAL AID FROM THE SCHOOL.

HE WON'T HAVE A CONGREGATION, HE FINANCIAL AID FROM THE SCHOOL.

HE WON'T HAVE A CONGREGATION, HE SAYS, BUT HE'LL HAVE A HE WON'T HAVE A CONGREGATION, HE SAYS, BUT HE'LL HAVE A MINISTRY -- BUILDING AFFORDABLE SAYS, BUT HE'LL HAVE A MINISTRY -- BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

MINISTRY -- BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

>> FOR ME, BEING A PASTOR IS HOUSING.

>> FOR ME, BEING A PASTOR IS SOMETHING THAT'S SACRED, THAT >> FOR ME, BEING A PASTOR IS SOMETHING THAT'S SACRED, THAT YOU HAVE A CALLING THAT THE LORD SOMETHING THAT'S SACRED, THAT YOU HAVE A CALLING THAT THE LORD HAS PLACED ON YOUR HEART.

YOU HAVE A CALLING THAT THE LORD HAS PLACED ON YOUR HEART.

AND I FELT THAT MY CALLING HAS HAS PLACED ON YOUR HEART.

AND I FELT THAT MY CALLING HAS BEEN IN THE SOCIAL SECTOR IN AND I FELT THAT MY CALLING HAS BEEN IN THE SOCIAL SECTOR IN HOUSING.

BEEN IN THE SOCIAL SECTOR IN HOUSING.

>> Reporter: DEAN STERLING SAYS HOUSING.

>> Reporter: DEAN STERLING SAYS IS IT IS NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE >> Reporter: DEAN STERLING SAYS IS IT IS NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE STUDENTS WHO HAD PROMISING IS IT IS NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE STUDENTS WHO HAD PROMISING CAREERS BUT FOUND IT SPIRITUALLY STUDENTS WHO HAD PROMISING CAREERS BUT FOUND IT SPIRITUALLY UNSATISFYING.

CAREERS BUT FOUND IT SPIRITUALLY UNSATISFYING.

20% OF ENTERING YALE DIVINITY UNSATISFYING.

20% OF ENTERING YALE DIVINITY SCHOOL STUDENTS HOLD ADVANCED 20% OF ENTERING YALE DIVINITY SCHOOL STUDENTS HOLD ADVANCED DEGREES, LIKE ALLYSON McKINNEY, SCHOOL STUDENTS HOLD ADVANCED DEGREES, LIKE ALLYSON McKINNEY, WHO HAS LAW AND MBA DEGREES.

DEGREES, LIKE ALLYSON McKINNEY, WHO HAS LAW AND MBA DEGREES.

SHE HAS WORKED AS AN WHO HAS LAW AND MBA DEGREES.

SHE HAS WORKED AS AN INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS SHE HAS WORKED AS AN INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYER SPECIALIZING IN WOMEN'S INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYER SPECIALIZING IN WOMEN'S RIGHTS.

LAWYER SPECIALIZING IN WOMEN'S RIGHTS.

>> I REALIZED THAT A LOT OF WHAT RIGHTS.

>> I REALIZED THAT A LOT OF WHAT I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT HUMAN >> I REALIZED THAT A LOT OF WHAT I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS AND ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHTS I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS AND ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHTS I WANTED TO SAY TO MY OWN FAITH RIGHTS AND ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHTS I WANTED TO SAY TO MY OWN FAITH COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE I WANTED TO SAY TO MY OWN FAITH COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT JUSTICE IS THE WORK OF THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT JUSTICE IS THE WORK OF THE CHURCH.

THAT JUSTICE IS THE WORK OF THE CHURCH.

IT IS A MINISTRY THAT WE'RE CHURCH.

IT IS A MINISTRY THAT WE'RE CALLED, AS CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS, IT IS A MINISTRY THAT WE'RE CALLED, AS CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS, TO BE INVOLVED IN.

CALLED, AS CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS, TO BE INVOLVED IN.

>> Reporter: ENROLLMENT IN TO BE INVOLVED IN.

>> Reporter: ENROLLMENT IN THEOLOGICAL SCHOOLS HAS BEEN >> Reporter: ENROLLMENT IN THEOLOGICAL SCHOOLS HAS BEEN DROPPING SINCE 2006.

THEOLOGICAL SCHOOLS HAS BEEN DROPPING SINCE 2006.

DEAN STERLING SAYS ALONG WITH DROPPING SINCE 2006.

DEAN STERLING SAYS ALONG WITH THE DECLINING MEMBERSHIP IN DEAN STERLING SAYS ALONG WITH THE DECLINING MEMBERSHIP IN VIRTUALLY ALL BUT THE MORE THE DECLINING MEMBERSHIP IN VIRTUALLY ALL BUT THE MORE CONSERVATIVE DENOMINATIONS, VIRTUALLY ALL BUT THE MORE CONSERVATIVE DENOMINATIONS, ANOTHER BIG FACTOR IS STUDENT CONSERVATIVE DENOMINATIONS, ANOTHER BIG FACTOR IS STUDENT DEBT.

ANOTHER BIG FACTOR IS STUDENT DEBT.

>> YOU INCUR $50,000 IN DEBT DEBT.

>> YOU INCUR $50,000 IN DEBT THROUGH GRADUATE SCHOOL.

>> YOU INCUR $50,000 IN DEBT THROUGH GRADUATE SCHOOL.

BUT IF YOUR ANNUAL INCOME IS THROUGH GRADUATE SCHOOL.

BUT IF YOUR ANNUAL INCOME IS $35,000 A YEAR, IT'S AN ENORMOUS BUT IF YOUR ANNUAL INCOME IS $35,000 A YEAR, IT'S AN ENORMOUS SUM.

$35,000 A YEAR, IT'S AN ENORMOUS SUM.

>> Reporter: IT'S THE SEMINARIES SUM.

>> Reporter: IT'S THE SEMINARIES SPONSORED BY INDIVIDUAL MAINLINE >> Reporter: IT'S THE SEMINARIES SPONSORED BY INDIVIDUAL MAINLINE DENOMINATIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN SPONSORED BY INDIVIDUAL MAINLINE DENOMINATIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN THE BIGGEST HIT IN ENROLLMENT.

DENOMINATIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN THE BIGGEST HIT IN ENROLLMENT.

LUTHER SEMINARY IN ST. PAUL WAS THE BIGGEST HIT IN ENROLLMENT.

LUTHER SEMINARY IN ST. PAUL WAS FORCED TO CUT ITS FACULTY AFTER LUTHER SEMINARY IN ST. PAUL WAS FORCED TO CUT ITS FACULTY AFTER LOSING ENROLLMENT THE LAST FIVE FORCED TO CUT ITS FACULTY AFTER LOSING ENROLLMENT THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

LOSING ENROLLMENT THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

COVENANT THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY IN YEARS.

COVENANT THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY IN ST. LOUIS IS RUN BY THE COVENANT THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY IN ST. LOUIS IS RUN BY THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH IN AMERICA, ST. LOUIS IS RUN BY THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH IN AMERICA, AND SOME OF ITS GRADUATES ARE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH IN AMERICA, AND SOME OF ITS GRADUATES ARE HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING JOBS.

AND SOME OF ITS GRADUATES ARE HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING JOBS.

FIVE YEARS AGO, BRIAN BROWN HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING JOBS.

FIVE YEARS AGO, BRIAN BROWN MOVED HIS WIFE AND FOUR KIDS FIVE YEARS AGO, BRIAN BROWN MOVED HIS WIFE AND FOUR KIDS FROM ALABAMA AND HIS JOB AS AN MOVED HIS WIFE AND FOUR KIDS FROM ALABAMA AND HIS JOB AS AN ACCOUNTANT TO ATTEND COVENANT FROM ALABAMA AND HIS JOB AS AN ACCOUNTANT TO ATTEND COVENANT AND BECOME A PASTOR.

ACCOUNTANT TO ATTEND COVENANT AND BECOME A PASTOR.

>> I WAS ALWAYS THINKING THERE'S AND BECOME A PASTOR.

>> I WAS ALWAYS THINKING THERE'S GOING TO BE A JOB AT THE END OF >> I WAS ALWAYS THINKING THERE'S GOING TO BE A JOB AT THE END OF THIS, YOU KNOW.

GOING TO BE A JOB AT THE END OF THIS, YOU KNOW.

THAT WAS THE HOPE AND THAT WAS, THIS, YOU KNOW.

THAT WAS THE HOPE AND THAT WAS, AND THAT'S THE DESIRE.

THAT WAS THE HOPE AND THAT WAS, AND THAT'S THE DESIRE.

IT'S STILL THE DESIRE.

AND THAT'S THE DESIRE.

IT'S STILL THE DESIRE.

>> Reporter: NOW, A YEAR AFTER IT'S STILL THE DESIRE.

>> Reporter: NOW, A YEAR AFTER GRADUATION, HE'S WORKING TWO >> Reporter: NOW, A YEAR AFTER GRADUATION, HE'S WORKING TWO PART-TIME JOBS.

GRADUATION, HE'S WORKING TWO PART-TIME JOBS.

HIS WIFE WORKS FULL-TIME.

PART-TIME JOBS.

HIS WIFE WORKS FULL-TIME.

BROWN IS STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS HIS WIFE WORKS FULL-TIME.

BROWN IS STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND TO FIND A CHURCH THAT BROWN IS STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND TO FIND A CHURCH THAT WANTS HIM AND CAN AFFORD A MEET AND TO FIND A CHURCH THAT WANTS HIM AND CAN AFFORD A PASTOR.

WANTS HIM AND CAN AFFORD A PASTOR.

>> CHURCHES DEPEND ON THE GIVING PASTOR.

>> CHURCHES DEPEND ON THE GIVING OF OTHERS FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND >> CHURCHES DEPEND ON THE GIVING OF OTHERS FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND FOR PAYING FOR THE MINISTRY THAT OF OTHERS FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND FOR PAYING FOR THE MINISTRY THAT IS DONE.

FOR PAYING FOR THE MINISTRY THAT IS DONE.

SO AS OTHER PEOPLE SUFFER IN THE IS DONE.

SO AS OTHER PEOPLE SUFFER IN THE ECONOMY, IT TRICKLES DOWN.

SO AS OTHER PEOPLE SUFFER IN THE ECONOMY, IT TRICKLES DOWN.

>> THESE STUDENTS GENUINELY FEEL ECONOMY, IT TRICKLES DOWN.

>> THESE STUDENTS GENUINELY FEEL THAT EXISTENTIALLY THEY HAVE >> THESE STUDENTS GENUINELY FEEL THAT EXISTENTIALLY THEY HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED BY GOD TO SERVE THAT EXISTENTIALLY THEY HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED BY GOD TO SERVE PEOPLE.

BEEN CHALLENGED BY GOD TO SERVE PEOPLE.

HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT IF PEOPLE.

HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT IF THEY CAN'T BE SUPPORTED BY ONE HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT IF THEY CAN'T BE SUPPORTED BY ONE OF THESE CHURCHES?

THEY CAN'T BE SUPPORTED BY ONE OF THESE CHURCHES?

>> Reporter: THE LILLY OF THESE CHURCHES?

>> Reporter: THE LILLY ENDOWMENT, WHICH IS THE MAIN >> Reporter: THE LILLY ENDOWMENT, WHICH IS THE MAIN FUNDER OF "RELIGION & ETHICS ENDOWMENT, WHICH IS THE MAIN FUNDER OF "RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," ALSO SPONSORS A FUNDER OF "RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," ALSO SPONSORS A PROGRAM TO SUBSIDIZE THE SALARY NEWSWEEKLY," ALSO SPONSORS A PROGRAM TO SUBSIDIZE THE SALARY FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF SOME PROGRAM TO SUBSIDIZE THE SALARY FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF SOME NEW PASTORS, LIKE CORINNE ELLIS.

FOR THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF SOME NEW PASTORS, LIKE CORINNE ELLIS.

SHE WILL LEAVE YALE FOR A SMALL NEW PASTORS, LIKE CORINNE ELLIS.

SHE WILL LEAVE YALE FOR A SMALL CHURCH IN IOWA.

SHE WILL LEAVE YALE FOR A SMALL CHURCH IN IOWA.

>> I'VE SEEN THE IMPACT THAT GOD CHURCH IN IOWA.

>> I'VE SEEN THE IMPACT THAT GOD HAS HAD ON MY LIFE AND THE LIVES >> I'VE SEEN THE IMPACT THAT GOD HAS HAD ON MY LIFE AND THE LIVES OF PEOPLE I LOVE, AND I WANT TO HAS HAD ON MY LIFE AND THE LIVES OF PEOPLE I LOVE, AND I WANT TO SHARE THAT AND HELP BUILD THAT OF PEOPLE I LOVE, AND I WANT TO SHARE THAT AND HELP BUILD THAT FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

SHARE THAT AND HELP BUILD THAT FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

>> Reporter: INCREASINGLY FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

>> Reporter: INCREASINGLY STUDENTS ARE PLANNING ON HOLDING >> Reporter: INCREASINGLY STUDENTS ARE PLANNING ON HOLDING ONTO WHATEVER CAREERS AND STUDENTS ARE PLANNING ON HOLDING ONTO WHATEVER CAREERS AND TRAINING THEY HAD BEFORE, AND ONTO WHATEVER CAREERS AND TRAINING THEY HAD BEFORE, AND AFTER THEY GRADUATE BECOMING TRAINING THEY HAD BEFORE, AND AFTER THEY GRADUATE BECOMING PART-TIME PASTORS.

AFTER THEY GRADUATE BECOMING PART-TIME PASTORS.

IT'S THE NEW REALITY OF SMALLER PART-TIME PASTORS.

IT'S THE NEW REALITY OF SMALLER CONGREGATIONS.

IT'S THE NEW REALITY OF SMALLER CONGREGATIONS.

>> I THINK PEOPLE ARE CONGREGATIONS.

>> I THINK PEOPLE ARE DISTRUSTFUL OF INSTITUTIONS, >> I THINK PEOPLE ARE DISTRUSTFUL OF INSTITUTIONS, RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS, DISTRUSTFUL OF INSTITUTIONS, RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS, POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS.

RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS, POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS.

>> Reporter: DONNA DESILUS HAD POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS.

>> Reporter: DONNA DESILUS HAD AN MBA FROM HARVARD BEFORE SHE >> Reporter: DONNA DESILUS HAD AN MBA FROM HARVARD BEFORE SHE CAME TO YALE DIVINITY.

AN MBA FROM HARVARD BEFORE SHE CAME TO YALE DIVINITY.

SHE THINKS SHE KNOWS THE PROBLEM CAME TO YALE DIVINITY.

SHE THINKS SHE KNOWS THE PROBLEM AND THE SOLUTION.

SHE THINKS SHE KNOWS THE PROBLEM AND THE SOLUTION.

>> I THINK TO THE DEGREE THAT WE AND THE SOLUTION.

>> I THINK TO THE DEGREE THAT WE CAN CONNECT PEOPLE SPIRITUALLY, >> I THINK TO THE DEGREE THAT WE CAN CONNECT PEOPLE SPIRITUALLY, THEN THE CHURCHES THRIVE, CAN CONNECT PEOPLE SPIRITUALLY, THEN THE CHURCHES THRIVE, BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO THEN THE CHURCHES THRIVE, BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO EXPERIENCE GOD.

BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO EXPERIENCE GOD.

SO WHEN THE CHURCH HELPS PEOPLE EXPERIENCE GOD.

SO WHEN THE CHURCH HELPS PEOPLE EXPERIENCE GOD, THE CHURCH HAS SO WHEN THE CHURCH HELPS PEOPLE EXPERIENCE GOD, THE CHURCH HAS MEMBERS.

EXPERIENCE GOD, THE CHURCH HAS MEMBERS.

WHEN THE CHURCH DOESN'T HELP MEMBERS.

WHEN THE CHURCH DOESN'T HELP PEOPLE EXPERIENCE GOD, THEN I WHEN THE CHURCH DOESN'T HELP PEOPLE EXPERIENCE GOD, THEN I THINK THE CHURCH DOESN'T HAVE PEOPLE EXPERIENCE GOD, THEN I THINK THE CHURCH DOESN'T HAVE MEMBERS.

THINK THE CHURCH DOESN'T HAVE MEMBERS.

>> I'VE SAID TO THE STUDENTS, I MEMBERS.

>> I'VE SAID TO THE STUDENTS, I SAID TO THEM THIS FALL WHEN THEY >> I'VE SAID TO THE STUDENTS, I SAID TO THEM THIS FALL WHEN THEY FIRST MATRICULATED, "YOU WILL SAID TO THEM THIS FALL WHEN THEY FIRST MATRICULATED, "YOU WILL WRITE THE FUTURE OF FIRST MATRICULATED, "YOU WILL WRITE THE FUTURE OF CHRISTIANITY.

WRITE THE FUTURE OF CHRISTIANITY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL LOOK CHRISTIANITY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE.

I'M SURE IT WILL BE DIFFERENT LIKE.

I'M SURE IT WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN IT IS TODAY, BUT YOU WILL I'M SURE IT WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN IT IS TODAY, BUT YOU WILL WRITE THAT HISTORY, AND WE'RE THAN IT IS TODAY, BUT YOU WILL WRITE THAT HISTORY, AND WE'RE HERE TO PREPARE YOU TO WRITE WRITE THAT HISTORY, AND WE'RE HERE TO PREPARE YOU TO WRITE THAT HISTORY."

HERE TO PREPARE YOU TO WRITE THAT HISTORY."

>> I THINK CHURCH IS GOING TO THAT HISTORY."

>> I THINK CHURCH IS GOING TO CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.

>> I THINK CHURCH IS GOING TO CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.

I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.

I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, DENOMINATIONS AS THEY EXIST I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, DENOMINATIONS AS THEY EXIST TODAY ARE GOING TO EXIST THE DENOMINATIONS AS THEY EXIST TODAY ARE GOING TO EXIST THE SAME WAY IN 20 YEARS.

TODAY ARE GOING TO EXIST THE SAME WAY IN 20 YEARS.

I THINK THE CHURCH IS CHANGING SAME WAY IN 20 YEARS.

I THINK THE CHURCH IS CHANGING AND HAS TO CHANGE, AND I THINK I THINK THE CHURCH IS CHANGING AND HAS TO CHANGE, AND I THINK IT'S EXCITING TO BE PART OF AND HAS TO CHANGE, AND I THINK IT'S EXCITING TO BE PART OF THAT.

IT'S EXCITING TO BE PART OF THAT.

>> Reporter: THE EXCITING PART THAT.

>> Reporter: THE EXCITING PART HASN'T MATERIALIZED FOR BRIAN >> Reporter: THE EXCITING PART HASN'T MATERIALIZED FOR BRIAN BROWN YET.

HASN'T MATERIALIZED FOR BRIAN BROWN YET.

HE AND HIS FAMILY CONTINUE TO BROWN YET.

HE AND HIS FAMILY CONTINUE TO HANG ON.

HE AND HIS FAMILY CONTINUE TO HANG ON.

HE'S STILL SENDING OUT RESUMES, HANG ON.

HE'S STILL SENDING OUT RESUMES, STILL HAS FAITH THAT SOMEONE UP HE'S STILL SENDING OUT RESUMES, STILL HAS FAITH THAT SOMEONE UP THERE IS GOING TO HELP HIM FIND STILL HAS FAITH THAT SOMEONE UP THERE IS GOING TO HELP HIM FIND A JOB AS A PASTOR.

THERE IS GOING TO HELP HIM FIND A JOB AS A PASTOR.

>> THE DECISION TO MOVE MY A JOB AS A PASTOR.

>> THE DECISION TO MOVE MY FAMILY AND GO AFTER THIS WAS >> THE DECISION TO MOVE MY FAMILY AND GO AFTER THIS WAS REALLY THE FOLLOWING OF A CALL, FAMILY AND GO AFTER THIS WAS REALLY THE FOLLOWING OF A CALL, AND I COULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS REALLY THE FOLLOWING OF A CALL, AND I COULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS AND MY WIFE COULDN'T HAVE DONE AND I COULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS AND MY WIFE COULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS WITH US TOGETHER WITHOUT AN AND MY WIFE COULDN'T HAVE DONE THIS WITH US TOGETHER WITHOUT AN UNDERSTANDING OF THIS IS WHAT WE THIS WITH US TOGETHER WITHOUT AN UNDERSTANDING OF THIS IS WHAT WE BELIEVE IS MY CALLING.

UNDERSTANDING OF THIS IS WHAT WE BELIEVE IS MY CALLING.

>> Reporter: ALLEN SIPE IS STILL BELIEVE IS MY CALLING.

>> Reporter: ALLEN SIPE IS STILL LOOKING.

>> Reporter: ALLEN SIPE IS STILL LOOKING.

HE THINKS CHURCHES WON'T HIRE LOOKING.

HE THINKS CHURCHES WON'T HIRE HIM BECAUSE HE'S 57 YEARS OLD, HE THINKS CHURCHES WON'T HIRE HIM BECAUSE HE'S 57 YEARS OLD, AND THEY CAN GET A MUCH YOUNGER HIM BECAUSE HE'S 57 YEARS OLD, AND THEY CAN GET A MUCH YOUNGER PASTOR.

AND THEY CAN GET A MUCH YOUNGER PASTOR.

>> I'LL DO WHATEVER I HAVE TO PASTOR.

>> I'LL DO WHATEVER I HAVE TO DO.

>> I'LL DO WHATEVER I HAVE TO DO.

I HAVE A WIFE TO SUPPORT.

DO.

I HAVE A WIFE TO SUPPORT.

I HAVE BILLS LIKE EVERYBODY I HAVE A WIFE TO SUPPORT.

I HAVE BILLS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

I HAVE BILLS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

I WILL DO WHAT I NEED TO DO.

ELSE.

I WILL DO WHAT I NEED TO DO.

THAT'S WHY I'M WALKING AROUND I WILL DO WHAT I NEED TO DO.

THAT'S WHY I'M WALKING AROUND THE MALL.

THAT'S WHY I'M WALKING AROUND THE MALL.

BUT UNTIL I CAN'T BREATHE THE MALL.

BUT UNTIL I CAN'T BREATHE ANYMORE, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE BUT UNTIL I CAN'T BREATHE ANYMORE, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ANYMORE, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO TEACH AND TO BE ABLE TO LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO TEACH AND TO BE ABLE TO PREACH AND TO WORK WITH PEOPLE.

ABLE TO TEACH AND TO BE ABLE TO PREACH AND TO WORK WITH PEOPLE.

THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I AM.

PREACH AND TO WORK WITH PEOPLE.

THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I AM.

IT'S NOT JUST WHAT I DO.

THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I AM.

IT'S NOT JUST WHAT I DO.

IT'S WHAT I AM.

IT'S NOT JUST WHAT I DO.

IT'S WHAT I AM.

>> Reporter: DEAN STERLING SAYS IT'S WHAT I AM.

>> Reporter: DEAN STERLING SAYS THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS GOING >> Reporter: DEAN STERLING SAYS THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS GOING INTO MINISTRY REACHED ITS NADIR THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS GOING INTO MINISTRY REACHED ITS NADIR THREE YEARS AGO WHEN ONLY HALF INTO MINISTRY REACHED ITS NADIR THREE YEARS AGO WHEN ONLY HALF AS MANY GRADUATES AS IN THE PAST THREE YEARS AGO WHEN ONLY HALF AS MANY GRADUATES AS IN THE PAST ENTERED THE MINISTRY.

AS MANY GRADUATES AS IN THE PAST ENTERED THE MINISTRY.

HE SAYS THAT NUMBER IS ENTERED THE MINISTRY.

HE SAYS THAT NUMBER IS IMPROVING, BUT DOESN'T BELIEVE HE SAYS THAT NUMBER IS IMPROVING, BUT DOESN'T BELIEVE IT WILL EVER GET BACK TO WHAT IT IMPROVING, BUT DOESN'T BELIEVE IT WILL EVER GET BACK TO WHAT IT WAS.

IT WILL EVER GET BACK TO WHAT IT WAS.

FOR "RELIGION & ETHICS WAS.

FOR "RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS LUCKY FOR "RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS LUCKY SEVERSON IN NEW HAVEN.

>>> UPDATING A COUPLE OF STORIES >>> UPDATING A COUPLE OF STORIES WE'VE REPORTED IN PREVIOUS >>> UPDATING A COUPLE OF STORIES WE'VE REPORTED IN PREVIOUS WEEKS -- WE'VE REPORTED IN PREVIOUS WEEKS -- AFTER STRONG PROTESTS FROM THE WEEKS -- AFTER STRONG PROTESTS FROM THE SISTERS OF LORETTO IN KENTUCK, AFTER STRONG PROTESTS FROM THE SISTERS OF LORETTO IN KENTUCK, -- IN KENTUCKY, THE WILLIAMS SISTERS OF LORETTO IN KENTUCK, -- IN KENTUCKY, THE WILLIAMS COMPANY OF TULSA -- IN KENTUCKY, THE WILLIAMS COMPANY OF TULSA HAS SUSPENDED PLANS TO BUILD THE COMPANY OF TULSA HAS SUSPENDED PLANS TO BUILD THE BLUEGRASS PIPELINE.

HAS SUSPENDED PLANS TO BUILD THE BLUEGRASS PIPELINE.

THE COMPANY SAID IT DID NOT HAVE BLUEGRASS PIPELINE.

THE COMPANY SAID IT DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH COMMITTED CUSTOMERS TO THE COMPANY SAID IT DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH COMMITTED CUSTOMERS TO PROCEED.

ENOUGH COMMITTED CUSTOMERS TO PROCEED.

THE LORETTO SISTERS HAD RALLIED PROCEED.

THE LORETTO SISTERS HAD RALLIED SUPPORT AGAINST THE PIPELINE.

THE LORETTO SISTERS HAD RALLIED SUPPORT AGAINST THE PIPELINE.

SISTER MARIE VISSEE SAID THE SUPPORT AGAINST THE PIPELINE.

SISTER MARIE VISSEE SAID THE SISTERS ARE PLEASED TO BE PART SISTER MARIE VISSEE SAID THE SISTERS ARE PLEASED TO BE PART OF A NETWORK OF PEOPLE URGING "A SISTERS ARE PLEASED TO BE PART OF A NETWORK OF PEOPLE URGING "A CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE DOING OF A NETWORK OF PEOPLE URGING "A CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE DOING TO OUR LAND AND WATER."

CLOSER LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE DOING TO OUR LAND AND WATER."

>>> AND GEORGIA HAS A NEW LAW TO OUR LAND AND WATER."

>>> AND GEORGIA HAS A NEW LAW THAT WILL ALLOW CONCEALED >>> AND GEORGIA HAS A NEW LAW THAT WILL ALLOW CONCEALED WEAPONS IN MANY PUBLIC PLACES THAT WILL ALLOW CONCEALED WEAPONS IN MANY PUBLIC PLACES INCLUDING HOUSES OF WORSHIP.

WEAPONS IN MANY PUBLIC PLACES INCLUDING HOUSES OF WORSHIP.

BUT THIS WEEK, ATLANTA ROMAN INCLUDING HOUSES OF WORSHIP.

BUT THIS WEEK, ATLANTA ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP WILTON BUT THIS WEEK, ATLANTA ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP WILTON GREGORY PROMISED TO RESTRICT THE CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP WILTON GREGORY PROMISED TO RESTRICT THE PRESENCE OF GUNS IN ALL CATHOLIC GREGORY PROMISED TO RESTRICT THE PRESENCE OF GUNS IN ALL CATHOLIC INSTITUTIONS.

PRESENCE OF GUNS IN ALL CATHOLIC INSTITUTIONS.

OTHER CHURCHES ARE MAKING INSTITUTIONS.

OTHER CHURCHES ARE MAKING SIMILAR PLEDGES.

OTHER CHURCHES ARE MAKING SIMILAR PLEDGES.

>>> NOW, "THE DECEMBER PROJECT."

SIMILAR PLEDGES.

>>> NOW, "THE DECEMBER PROJECT."

THERE'S A NEW BOOK OUT BY A >>> NOW, "THE DECEMBER PROJECT."

THERE'S A NEW BOOK OUT BY A WOMAN WHO SAYS SHE IS A SECULAR THERE'S A NEW BOOK OUT BY A WOMAN WHO SAYS SHE IS A SECULAR SKEPTIC, BUT WHO SPENT EVERY WOMAN WHO SAYS SHE IS A SECULAR SKEPTIC, BUT WHO SPENT EVERY FRIDAY FOR TWO YEARS TALKING SKEPTIC, BUT WHO SPENT EVERY FRIDAY FOR TWO YEARS TALKING WITH A PROMINENT RABBI ABOUT HIS FRIDAY FOR TWO YEARS TALKING WITH A PROMINENT RABBI ABOUT HIS THEOLOGICAL, SPIRITUAL AND EVEN WITH A PROMINENT RABBI ABOUT HIS THEOLOGICAL, SPIRITUAL AND EVEN MUSICAL PREPARATIONS FOR DYING.

THEOLOGICAL, SPIRITUAL AND EVEN MUSICAL PREPARATIONS FOR DYING.

BOB FAW SPOKE WITH BOTH RABBI MUSICAL PREPARATIONS FOR DYING.

BOB FAW SPOKE WITH BOTH RABBI ZALMAN SCHACHTER-SHALOMI AND BOB FAW SPOKE WITH BOTH RABBI ZALMAN SCHACHTER-SHALOMI AND AUTHOR SARA DAVIDSON.

ZALMAN SCHACHTER-SHALOMI AND AUTHOR SARA DAVIDSON.

>> Reporter: DESPITE ALL HER AUTHOR SARA DAVIDSON.

>> Reporter: DESPITE ALL HER SUCCESS AS A BEST-SELLING >> Reporter: DESPITE ALL HER SUCCESS AS A BEST-SELLING NOVELIST, A HOLLYWOOD SUCCESS AS A BEST-SELLING NOVELIST, A HOLLYWOOD SCREENWRITER, AND A JOURNALIST NOVELIST, A HOLLYWOOD SCREENWRITER, AND A JOURNALIST WORKING IN DANGEROUS PLACES, SCREENWRITER, AND A JOURNALIST WORKING IN DANGEROUS PLACES, NOTHING SHE DID, SAYS SARA WORKING IN DANGEROUS PLACES, NOTHING SHE DID, SAYS SARA DAVIDSON, EVER PREPARED HER FOR NOTHING SHE DID, SAYS SARA DAVIDSON, EVER PREPARED HER FOR THE PROSPECT OF DYING.

DAVIDSON, EVER PREPARED HER FOR THE PROSPECT OF DYING.

>> I WOULD FEEL TERROR AND THE PROSPECT OF DYING.

>> I WOULD FEEL TERROR AND NAUSEA BECAUSE I HAD NO >> I WOULD FEEL TERROR AND NAUSEA BECAUSE I HAD NO CERTAINTY THAT THERE IS AN NAUSEA BECAUSE I HAD NO CERTAINTY THAT THERE IS AN AFTERLIFE.

CERTAINTY THAT THERE IS AN AFTERLIFE.

THE IDEA OF EVERYTHING ENDING IN AFTERLIFE.

THE IDEA OF EVERYTHING ENDING IN NOTHING WAS TERRIBLE.

THE IDEA OF EVERYTHING ENDING IN NOTHING WAS TERRIBLE.

>> Reporter: IN 2009, THOUGH, NOTHING WAS TERRIBLE.

>> Reporter: IN 2009, THOUGH, DAVIDSON WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO >> Reporter: IN 2009, THOUGH, DAVIDSON WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO MEET THIS REMARKABLE MAN, RABBI DAVIDSON WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO MEET THIS REMARKABLE MAN, RABBI ZALMAN SCHACHTER-SHALOMI, THEN MEET THIS REMARKABLE MAN, RABBI ZALMAN SCHACHTER-SHALOMI, THEN 85, A FOUNDER OF THE JEWISH ZALMAN SCHACHTER-SHALOMI, THEN 85, A FOUNDER OF THE JEWISH RENEWAL MOVEMENT.

85, A FOUNDER OF THE JEWISH RENEWAL MOVEMENT.

APPEARING RECENTLY AT A BOULDER, RENEWAL MOVEMENT.

APPEARING RECENTLY AT A BOULDER, COLORADO BOOK-SIGNING, HE APPEARING RECENTLY AT A BOULDER, COLORADO BOOK-SIGNING, HE REMEMBERED THAT WHEN THEY MET HE COLORADO BOOK-SIGNING, HE REMEMBERED THAT WHEN THEY MET HE WANTED SOMEONE TO PASS ALONG ALL REMEMBERED THAT WHEN THEY MET HE WANTED SOMEONE TO PASS ALONG ALL HE HAD LEARNED—ABOUT DYING.

WANTED SOMEONE TO PASS ALONG ALL HE HAD LEARNED—ABOUT DYING.

>> I FELT THAT WHAT I NEEDED TO HE HAD LEARNED—ABOUT DYING.

>> I FELT THAT WHAT I NEEDED TO SHARE WITH PEOPLE AT THIS TIME >> I FELT THAT WHAT I NEEDED TO SHARE WITH PEOPLE AT THIS TIME IS JUST STUFF THAT I DIDN'T HEAR SHARE WITH PEOPLE AT THIS TIME IS JUST STUFF THAT I DIDN'T HEAR FROM ANY OF MY TEACHERS.

IS JUST STUFF THAT I DIDN'T HEAR FROM ANY OF MY TEACHERS.

>> HE SAID, THERE IS SOMETHING I FROM ANY OF MY TEACHERS.

>> HE SAID, THERE IS SOMETHING I WANT TO DO WITH YOU.

>> HE SAID, THERE IS SOMETHING I WANT TO DO WITH YOU.

I WANT TO HAVE A SERIES OF TALKS WANT TO DO WITH YOU.

I WANT TO HAVE A SERIES OF TALKS ABOUT WHAT I'M CALLING THE I WANT TO HAVE A SERIES OF TALKS ABOUT WHAT I'M CALLING THE DECEMBER PROJECT.

ABOUT WHAT I'M CALLING THE DECEMBER PROJECT.

WHEN YOU FEEL YOU'RE COMING TO DECEMBER PROJECT.

WHEN YOU FEEL YOU'RE COMING TO THE END OF YOUR TOUR OF DUTY, WHEN YOU FEEL YOU'RE COMING TO THE END OF YOUR TOUR OF DUTY, WHAT IS THE SPIRITUAL WORK OF THE END OF YOUR TOUR OF DUTY, WHAT IS THE SPIRITUAL WORK OF THAT TIME, AND HOW DO WE PREPARE WHAT IS THE SPIRITUAL WORK OF THAT TIME, AND HOW DO WE PREPARE FOR THE MYSTERY?

THAT TIME, AND HOW DO WE PREPARE FOR THE MYSTERY?

>> Reporter: IT WAS AN UNLIKELY FOR THE MYSTERY?

>> Reporter: IT WAS AN UNLIKELY COLLABORATION.

>> Reporter: IT WAS AN UNLIKELY COLLABORATION.

AFTER A LIFETIME OF SCHOLARSHIP COLLABORATION.

AFTER A LIFETIME OF SCHOLARSHIP AND MEDITATION, THE FAITH OF THE AFTER A LIFETIME OF SCHOLARSHIP AND MEDITATION, THE FAITH OF THE RABBI WAS PROFOUND.

AND MEDITATION, THE FAITH OF THE RABBI WAS PROFOUND.

DAVIDSON, WHO CONSIDERS HERSELF RABBI WAS PROFOUND.

DAVIDSON, WHO CONSIDERS HERSELF A SECULAR JEW, CALLS HERSELF "A DAVIDSON, WHO CONSIDERS HERSELF A SECULAR JEW, CALLS HERSELF "A SPIRITUAL MUTT" AND A SKEPTIC.

A SECULAR JEW, CALLS HERSELF "A SPIRITUAL MUTT" AND A SKEPTIC.

>> I'VE GOT THIS VERY CYNICAL SPIRITUAL MUTT" AND A SKEPTIC.

>> I'VE GOT THIS VERY CYNICAL MIND THAT'S ALWAYS POKING HOLES >> I'VE GOT THIS VERY CYNICAL MIND THAT'S ALWAYS POKING HOLES IN WHATEVER THEORY OR THEOLOGY MIND THAT'S ALWAYS POKING HOLES IN WHATEVER THEORY OR THEOLOGY IS PRESENTED TO ME.

IN WHATEVER THEORY OR THEOLOGY IS PRESENTED TO ME.

AND HE SAID, "I DON'T WANT TO IS PRESENTED TO ME.

AND HE SAID, "I DON'T WANT TO CONVINCE YOU OF ANYTHING.

AND HE SAID, "I DON'T WANT TO CONVINCE YOU OF ANYTHING.

WHAT I WANT IS TO LOOSEN YOUR CONVINCE YOU OF ANYTHING.

WHAT I WANT IS TO LOOSEN YOUR MIND."

WHAT I WANT IS TO LOOSEN YOUR MIND."

>> Reporter: THE RABBI AND THE MIND."

>> Reporter: THE RABBI AND THE SKEPTIC MET EVERY FRIDAY FOR TWO >> Reporter: THE RABBI AND THE SKEPTIC MET EVERY FRIDAY FOR TWO YEARS, WITH HIM TEACHING HER SKEPTIC MET EVERY FRIDAY FOR TWO YEARS, WITH HIM TEACHING HER THAT DEATH IS A MYSTERY WHICH YEARS, WITH HIM TEACHING HER THAT DEATH IS A MYSTERY WHICH NEED NOT BE FEARED IF SHE WOULD THAT DEATH IS A MYSTERY WHICH NEED NOT BE FEARED IF SHE WOULD TRUST HER INTUITION MORE THAN NEED NOT BE FEARED IF SHE WOULD TRUST HER INTUITION MORE THAN HER INTELLECT.

TRUST HER INTUITION MORE THAN HER INTELLECT.

>> FEELING AND INTUITION, IT HAS HER INTELLECT.

>> FEELING AND INTUITION, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE RIGHT HEMISPHERE >> FEELING AND INTUITION, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE RIGHT HEMISPHERE AND WITH THE HEART AND ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE RIGHT HEMISPHERE AND WITH THE HEART AND ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH KNOWING THE AND WITH THE HEART AND ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH KNOWING THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND PREPARING THAT HAS TO DO WITH KNOWING THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND PREPARING FOR DYING, YOU KNOW.

PRESENCE OF GOD AND PREPARING FOR DYING, YOU KNOW.

THE LEFT HEMISPHERE WOULD SAY FOR DYING, YOU KNOW.

THE LEFT HEMISPHERE WOULD SAY YOU SHOULD FIGHT IT, YOU DON'T THE LEFT HEMISPHERE WOULD SAY YOU SHOULD FIGHT IT, YOU DON'T WANT TO DIE.

YOU SHOULD FIGHT IT, YOU DON'T WANT TO DIE.

THE RIGHT HEMISPHERE AND THE WANT TO DIE.

THE RIGHT HEMISPHERE AND THE HEART WOULD SAY SURRENDER TO IT.

THE RIGHT HEMISPHERE AND THE HEART WOULD SAY SURRENDER TO IT.

IT'S TAKING YOU TO ANOTHER PLACE HEART WOULD SAY SURRENDER TO IT.

IT'S TAKING YOU TO ANOTHER PLACE THAT'S ALSO REAL.

IT'S TAKING YOU TO ANOTHER PLACE THAT'S ALSO REAL.

>> HE SAID YOU NEED TO CREATE AN THAT'S ALSO REAL.

>> HE SAID YOU NEED TO CREATE AN INNER SPACE, AN INNER SANCTUARY, >> HE SAID YOU NEED TO CREATE AN INNER SPACE, AN INNER SANCTUARY, A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GO THAT IT INNER SPACE, AN INNER SANCTUARY, A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GO THAT IT WILL BE LIKE A HOME BASE IN THE A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN GO THAT IT WILL BE LIKE A HOME BASE IN THE MIDST OF ALL THE HUMBLE AND WILL BE LIKE A HOME BASE IN THE MIDST OF ALL THE HUMBLE AND RUMBLE AND TUMBLE OF LIFE, THAT MIDST OF ALL THE HUMBLE AND RUMBLE AND TUMBLE OF LIFE, THAT YOU CAN GO INSIDE AND THERE'S A RUMBLE AND TUMBLE OF LIFE, THAT YOU CAN GO INSIDE AND THERE'S A PLACE THERE THAT'S QUIET AND YOU CAN GO INSIDE AND THERE'S A PLACE THERE THAT'S QUIET AND STILL, AND IT'S IN THAT PLACE PLACE THERE THAT'S QUIET AND STILL, AND IT'S IN THAT PLACE THAT YOU CAN BE MOST OPEN TO STILL, AND IT'S IN THAT PLACE THAT YOU CAN BE MOST OPEN TO INTUITION.

THAT YOU CAN BE MOST OPEN TO INTUITION.

>> Reporter: WHAT SHE LEARNED INTUITION.

>> Reporter: WHAT SHE LEARNED FROM ALL THOSE SESSIONS IS NOW >> Reporter: WHAT SHE LEARNED FROM ALL THOSE SESSIONS IS NOW CHRONICLED IN THIS BOOK, "THE FROM ALL THOSE SESSIONS IS NOW CHRONICLED IN THIS BOOK, "THE DECEMBER PROJECT," ABOUT GETTING CHRONICLED IN THIS BOOK, "THE DECEMBER PROJECT," ABOUT GETTING IN TOUCH WITH WHAT THE RABBI DECEMBER PROJECT," ABOUT GETTING IN TOUCH WITH WHAT THE RABBI CALLS "THAT SACRED INNER SPACE."

IN TOUCH WITH WHAT THE RABBI CALLS "THAT SACRED INNER SPACE."

>> I WANT TO CUT MYSELF OFF FROM CALLS "THAT SACRED INNER SPACE."

>> I WANT TO CUT MYSELF OFF FROM ALL THE OTHER OUTSIDE INFLUENCES >> I WANT TO CUT MYSELF OFF FROM ALL THE OTHER OUTSIDE INFLUENCES SO THAT I CAN CATCH MY BREATH ALL THE OTHER OUTSIDE INFLUENCES SO THAT I CAN CATCH MY BREATH AND FIND MY CENTER.

SO THAT I CAN CATCH MY BREATH AND FIND MY CENTER.

THAT IS ALREADY CREATING THE AND FIND MY CENTER.

THAT IS ALREADY CREATING THE SANCTUARY, SANCTUARY IN THE THAT IS ALREADY CREATING THE SANCTUARY, SANCTUARY IN THE SENSE OF I FLEE TO THE PLACE SANCTUARY, SANCTUARY IN THE SENSE OF I FLEE TO THE PLACE WHERE I FEEL SAFE.

SENSE OF I FLEE TO THE PLACE WHERE I FEEL SAFE.

>> NOW THE BIG QUESTION IS HOW WHERE I FEEL SAFE.

>> NOW THE BIG QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU KNOW SOMETHING IS >> NOW THE BIG QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU KNOW SOMETHING IS GENUINELY INTUITION OR GUIDANCE DO YOU KNOW SOMETHING IS GENUINELY INTUITION OR GUIDANCE OR WISDOM AND NOT JUST A RANDOM GENUINELY INTUITION OR GUIDANCE OR WISDOM AND NOT JUST A RANDOM THOUGHT POPPING IN YOUR HEAD?

OR WISDOM AND NOT JUST A RANDOM THOUGHT POPPING IN YOUR HEAD?

AND I ASKED HIM THAT, AND HE THOUGHT POPPING IN YOUR HEAD?

AND I ASKED HIM THAT, AND HE SAID THERE IS NO LITMUS TEST, AND I ASKED HIM THAT, AND HE SAID THERE IS NO LITMUS TEST, UNFORTUNATELY, TO TELL YOU THIS SAID THERE IS NO LITMUS TEST, UNFORTUNATELY, TO TELL YOU THIS IS AUTHENTIC WISDOM, THIS IS A UNFORTUNATELY, TO TELL YOU THIS IS AUTHENTIC WISDOM, THIS IS A REAL INTUITION, OR IT'S JUST A IS AUTHENTIC WISDOM, THIS IS A REAL INTUITION, OR IT'S JUST A THOUGHT.

REAL INTUITION, OR IT'S JUST A THOUGHT.

BUT WHEN IT HAPPENS TO ME, IF I THOUGHT.

BUT WHEN IT HAPPENS TO ME, IF I FEEL LIKE I CAN DO SOMETHING BUT WHEN IT HAPPENS TO ME, IF I FEEL LIKE I CAN DO SOMETHING WITH IT, THEN I HAVE A SENSE FEEL LIKE I CAN DO SOMETHING WITH IT, THEN I HAVE A SENSE THAT IT'S THE REAL JUICE.

WITH IT, THEN I HAVE A SENSE THAT IT'S THE REAL JUICE.

>> Reporter: ONLY AT THAT POINT, THAT IT'S THE REAL JUICE.

>> Reporter: ONLY AT THAT POINT, THE RABBI TAUGHT HER, IS ONE >> Reporter: ONLY AT THAT POINT, THE RABBI TAUGHT HER, IS ONE ABLE TO "LET GO" AND ACCEPT THE RABBI TAUGHT HER, IS ONE ABLE TO "LET GO" AND ACCEPT DEATH.

ABLE TO "LET GO" AND ACCEPT DEATH.

>> REALLY LETTING GO IS THE DEATH.

>> REALLY LETTING GO IS THE ULTIMATE MESSAGE OF THE DECEMBER >> REALLY LETTING GO IS THE ULTIMATE MESSAGE OF THE DECEMBER PROJECT, AND OF, I THINK, ALL ULTIMATE MESSAGE OF THE DECEMBER PROJECT, AND OF, I THINK, ALL SPIRITUAL TRADITIONS, AND IT'S PROJECT, AND OF, I THINK, ALL SPIRITUAL TRADITIONS, AND IT'S SOMETHING YOU DO MOMENT BY SPIRITUAL TRADITIONS, AND IT'S SOMETHING YOU DO MOMENT BY MOMENT BY MOMENT.

SOMETHING YOU DO MOMENT BY MOMENT BY MOMENT.

YOU LET GO AS THINGS ARISE.

MOMENT BY MOMENT.

YOU LET GO AS THINGS ARISE.

YOU START WITH SMALL THINGS.

YOU LET GO AS THINGS ARISE.

YOU START WITH SMALL THINGS.

SOMEBODY CANCELS A LUNCH DATE YOU START WITH SMALL THINGS.

SOMEBODY CANCELS A LUNCH DATE THAT YOU WERE REALLY LOOKING SOMEBODY CANCELS A LUNCH DATE THAT YOU WERE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO AND YOU BUILT YOUR THAT YOU WERE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO AND YOU BUILT YOUR WHOLE DAY AROUND IT AND SUDDENLY FORWARD TO AND YOU BUILT YOUR WHOLE DAY AROUND IT AND SUDDENLY IT'S GONE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WHOLE DAY AROUND IT AND SUDDENLY IT'S GONE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DISAPPOINTED, BUT CAN YOU LET GO IT'S GONE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DISAPPOINTED, BUT CAN YOU LET GO OF THAT DISAPPOINTMENT?

DISAPPOINTED, BUT CAN YOU LET GO OF THAT DISAPPOINTMENT?

IT REALLY IS ABOUT ACCEPTANCE.

OF THAT DISAPPOINTMENT?

IT REALLY IS ABOUT ACCEPTANCE.

CAN YOU ACCEPT WHAT IS?

IT REALLY IS ABOUT ACCEPTANCE.

CAN YOU ACCEPT WHAT IS?

AND THEN YOU MOVE ON TO BIGGER CAN YOU ACCEPT WHAT IS?

AND THEN YOU MOVE ON TO BIGGER THINGS, ULTIMATELY TO "I'M A AND THEN YOU MOVE ON TO BIGGER THINGS, ULTIMATELY TO "I'M A MORTAL, AND LIKE EVERY MORTAL I THINGS, ULTIMATELY TO "I'M A MORTAL, AND LIKE EVERY MORTAL I WILL LEAVE THIS EARTH ONE DAY."

MORTAL, AND LIKE EVERY MORTAL I WILL LEAVE THIS EARTH ONE DAY."

>> Reporter: DAVIDSON SAID SHE WILL LEAVE THIS EARTH ONE DAY."

>> Reporter: DAVIDSON SAID SHE LEARNED THAT EVERYTHING HE >> Reporter: DAVIDSON SAID SHE LEARNED THAT EVERYTHING HE TAUGHT STEMS FROM HIS LEARNED THAT EVERYTHING HE TAUGHT STEMS FROM HIS UNSHAKEABLE CONVICTION THAT IN TAUGHT STEMS FROM HIS UNSHAKEABLE CONVICTION THAT IN ALL THINGS THERE IS A TOUCH OF UNSHAKEABLE CONVICTION THAT IN ALL THINGS THERE IS A TOUCH OF THE DIVINE, THAT GOD IS AS CLOSE ALL THINGS THERE IS A TOUCH OF THE DIVINE, THAT GOD IS AS CLOSE AS THE VEIN IN ONE'S NECK.

THE DIVINE, THAT GOD IS AS CLOSE AS THE VEIN IN ONE'S NECK.

>> WHAT HE MEANS IS WHATEVER AS THE VEIN IN ONE'S NECK.

>> WHAT HE MEANS IS WHATEVER THAT FORCE IS THAT CAUSES MY >> WHAT HE MEANS IS WHATEVER THAT FORCE IS THAT CAUSES MY EYES TO SEE AND MY HEART TO BEAT THAT FORCE IS THAT CAUSES MY EYES TO SEE AND MY HEART TO BEAT AND THE BLOOD TO FLOW THROUGH MY EYES TO SEE AND MY HEART TO BEAT AND THE BLOOD TO FLOW THROUGH MY BODY, WHATEVER THAT SOURCE OF AND THE BLOOD TO FLOW THROUGH MY BODY, WHATEVER THAT SOURCE OF KINDNESS AND LOVE AND ONENESS, BODY, WHATEVER THAT SOURCE OF KINDNESS AND LOVE AND ONENESS, WHATEVER THAT IS I'M SO GRATEFUL KINDNESS AND LOVE AND ONENESS, WHATEVER THAT IS I'M SO GRATEFUL IT'S THERE.

WHATEVER THAT IS I'M SO GRATEFUL IT'S THERE.

>> WHEN I SAY GOD I DON'T MEAN IT'S THERE.

>> WHEN I SAY GOD I DON'T MEAN NECESSARILY AN OLD MAN, BUT I >> WHEN I SAY GOD I DON'T MEAN NECESSARILY AN OLD MAN, BUT I MEAN A CENTER OF AWARENESS, NECESSARILY AN OLD MAN, BUT I MEAN A CENTER OF AWARENESS, VOLITION, AND COMPASSION AND MEAN A CENTER OF AWARENESS, VOLITION, AND COMPASSION AND GRACE, AND THAT I CAN MAKE A VOLITION, AND COMPASSION AND GRACE, AND THAT I CAN MAKE A SPACE FOR IF I SPEND TIME IN MY GRACE, AND THAT I CAN MAKE A SPACE FOR IF I SPEND TIME IN MY INNER SANCTUARY.

SPACE FOR IF I SPEND TIME IN MY INNER SANCTUARY.

>> Reporter: IF ALL THIS SOUNDS INNER SANCTUARY.

>> Reporter: IF ALL THIS SOUNDS TOO TOUCHY-FEELY OR IMPOSSIBLY >> Reporter: IF ALL THIS SOUNDS TOO TOUCHY-FEELY OR IMPOSSIBLY DENSE, DAVIDSON AND THE RABBI TOO TOUCHY-FEELY OR IMPOSSIBLY DENSE, DAVIDSON AND THE RABBI ASSURED THAT BOULDER AUDIENCE DENSE, DAVIDSON AND THE RABBI ASSURED THAT BOULDER AUDIENCE THAT THEIR FRIDAY SESSIONS WERE ASSURED THAT BOULDER AUDIENCE THAT THEIR FRIDAY SESSIONS WERE ALSO FILLED WITH LAUGHTER AND THAT THEIR FRIDAY SESSIONS WERE ALSO FILLED WITH LAUGHTER AND MUSIC.

ALSO FILLED WITH LAUGHTER AND MUSIC.

>> IT'S A VERY MEANINGFUL MELODY MUSIC.

>> IT'S A VERY MEANINGFUL MELODY FOR ME AS A WAY OF GETTING INTO >> IT'S A VERY MEANINGFUL MELODY FOR ME AS A WAY OF GETTING INTO THAT SPACE IN WHICH ONE CAN SAY FOR ME AS A WAY OF GETTING INTO THAT SPACE IN WHICH ONE CAN SAY GOOD-BYE TO THE BODY AND TO THIS THAT SPACE IN WHICH ONE CAN SAY GOOD-BYE TO THE BODY AND TO THIS WORLD AND TO MOVE ON WITH A KIND GOOD-BYE TO THE BODY AND TO THIS WORLD AND TO MOVE ON WITH A KIND OF HOPE AND GENTLENESS.

WORLD AND TO MOVE ON WITH A KIND OF HOPE AND GENTLENESS.

>> Reporter: HERE THE RABBI, NOW OF HOPE AND GENTLENESS.

>> Reporter: HERE THE RABBI, NOW 89, MARRIED FOUR TIMES WITH >> Reporter: HERE THE RABBI, NOW 89, MARRIED FOUR TIMES WITH 11 CHILDREN, REVEALS HIMSELF NOT 89, MARRIED FOUR TIMES WITH 11 CHILDREN, REVEALS HIMSELF NOT ONLY AS A PHILOSOPHER, BUT AS AN 11 CHILDREN, REVEALS HIMSELF NOT ONLY AS A PHILOSOPHER, BUT AS AN IRREPRESSIBLE SHOWMAN, DIRECTING ONLY AS A PHILOSOPHER, BUT AS AN IRREPRESSIBLE SHOWMAN, DIRECTING HIS LISTENERS TO ACT AS A IRREPRESSIBLE SHOWMAN, DIRECTING HIS LISTENERS TO ACT AS A BACKUP CHORUS.

HIS LISTENERS TO ACT AS A BACKUP CHORUS.

AS THE RABBI SINGS THE SPIRITUAL BACKUP CHORUS.

AS THE RABBI SINGS THE SPIRITUAL "TRAVELIN' SHOES" WHICH IS ALL AS THE RABBI SINGS THE SPIRITUAL "TRAVELIN' SHOES" WHICH IS ALL ABOUT GETTING READY TO MEET "TRAVELIN' SHOES" WHICH IS ALL ABOUT GETTING READY TO MEET ONE'S MAKER.

ABOUT GETTING READY TO MEET ONE'S MAKER.

♪ ONE'S MAKER.

♪ ♪ HEY OLD MAN ARE YOU READY GO, ♪ ♪ HEY OLD MAN ARE YOU READY GO, HE SAID HALLELUJAH, I HAVE DONE ♪ HEY OLD MAN ARE YOU READY GO, HE SAID HALLELUJAH, I HAVE DONE MY DUTY♪ HE SAID HALLELUJAH, I HAVE DONE MY DUTY♪ ♪ I'VE GOT MY TRAVELIN' SHOES♪ MY DUTY♪ ♪ I'VE GOT MY TRAVELIN' SHOES♪ >> YOU MEAN YOU'RE READY TO GO?

♪ I'VE GOT MY TRAVELIN' SHOES♪ >> YOU MEAN YOU'RE READY TO GO?

YOU'VE GOT ON YOUR TRAVELIN' >> YOU MEAN YOU'RE READY TO GO?

YOU'VE GOT ON YOUR TRAVELIN' SHOES?

YOU'VE GOT ON YOUR TRAVELIN' SHOES?

>> Reporter: "YES," SAYS RABBI SHOES?

>> Reporter: "YES," SAYS RABBI ZALMAN.

>> Reporter: "YES," SAYS RABBI ZALMAN.

"I'M NOW READY."

ZALMAN.

"I'M NOW READY."

>> I JUST WOULD LIKE TO BE LIKE "I'M NOW READY."

>> I JUST WOULD LIKE TO BE LIKE A DROP IN THE OCEAN AND DISSOLVE >> I JUST WOULD LIKE TO BE LIKE A DROP IN THE OCEAN AND DISSOLVE IN THE DIVINE BEING.

A DROP IN THE OCEAN AND DISSOLVE IN THE DIVINE BEING.

THAT'S ENOUGH.

IN THE DIVINE BEING.

THAT'S ENOUGH.

>> Reporter: AND WHILE SARA THAT'S ENOUGH.

>> Reporter: AND WHILE SARA DAVIDSON CONCEDES SHE'S NOT >> Reporter: AND WHILE SARA DAVIDSON CONCEDES SHE'S NOT QUITE THAT FAR ALONG, SHE SAYS DAVIDSON CONCEDES SHE'S NOT QUITE THAT FAR ALONG, SHE SAYS SHE'S COME A LONG WAY FROM THAT QUITE THAT FAR ALONG, SHE SAYS SHE'S COME A LONG WAY FROM THAT "TERROR AND NAUSEA."

SHE'S COME A LONG WAY FROM THAT "TERROR AND NAUSEA."

>> HAVING THE GIFT OF SPENDING "TERROR AND NAUSEA."

>> HAVING THE GIFT OF SPENDING TWO YEARS IN INTIMATE >> HAVING THE GIFT OF SPENDING TWO YEARS IN INTIMATE CONVERSATION WITH REB ZALMAN HAS TWO YEARS IN INTIMATE CONVERSATION WITH REB ZALMAN HAS CHANGED THE WAY I APPROACH LIFE.

CONVERSATION WITH REB ZALMAN HAS CHANGED THE WAY I APPROACH LIFE.

>> Reporter: SO YOU'RE MORE CHANGED THE WAY I APPROACH LIFE.

>> Reporter: SO YOU'RE MORE COMFORTABLE NOW WITH THE CONCEPT >> Reporter: SO YOU'RE MORE COMFORTABLE NOW WITH THE CONCEPT OF DEATH?

COMFORTABLE NOW WITH THE CONCEPT OF DEATH?

>> YES, I AM MORE COMFORTABLE.

OF DEATH?

>> YES, I AM MORE COMFORTABLE.

BUT I'M NOT WHERE HE IS AT YET, >> YES, I AM MORE COMFORTABLE.

BUT I'M NOT WHERE HE IS AT YET, BUT I'M DEFINITELY GETTING BUT I'M NOT WHERE HE IS AT YET, BUT I'M DEFINITELY GETTING THERE.

BUT I'M DEFINITELY GETTING THERE.

>> Reporter: THAT NOTION OF THERE.

>> Reporter: THAT NOTION OF GETTING READY BY LETTING GO WAS >> Reporter: THAT NOTION OF GETTING READY BY LETTING GO WAS IMPARTED ONCE AGAIN WHEN THE GETTING READY BY LETTING GO WAS IMPARTED ONCE AGAIN WHEN THE RABBI GAVE A BENEDICTION TO HIS IMPARTED ONCE AGAIN WHEN THE RABBI GAVE A BENEDICTION TO HIS AUDIENCE IN BOULDER.

RABBI GAVE A BENEDICTION TO HIS AUDIENCE IN BOULDER.

>> GOD, I THANK YOU FOR KEEPING AUDIENCE IN BOULDER.

>> GOD, I THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME IN THE LIGHT, AND I LET GO >> GOD, I THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME IN THE LIGHT, AND I LET GO AND LET GO AND LET GO.

ME IN THE LIGHT, AND I LET GO AND LET GO AND LET GO.

AMEN.

AND LET GO AND LET GO.

AMEN.

>> Reporter: THE SPIRITUAL AMEN.

>> Reporter: THE SPIRITUAL HEAVYWEIGHT AND THE SKEPTICAL >> Reporter: THE SPIRITUAL HEAVYWEIGHT AND THE SKEPTICAL SEEKER CONFRONTING THE MYSTERY HEAVYWEIGHT AND THE SKEPTICAL SEEKER CONFRONTING THE MYSTERY AND THE MARVEL OF DEATH SEEKER CONFRONTING THE MYSTERY AND THE MARVEL OF DEATH TOGETHER.

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