Egypt's Turmoil, Bloodless Surgery, Kahlil Gibran

07/12/2013 | 25m 38s | Video has closed captioning.

A conversation about the ongoing unrest in Egypt; bloodless surgeries for those with religious objections to blood transfusions; and the legacy of one of the best-selling poets of all time, Kahlil Gibran.

Aired: 07/12/13

Rating: NR

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>>> COMING UP -- MIDDLE EAST >>> COMING UP -- MIDDLE EAST EXPERT KATE SEELYE ON THE >>> COMING UP -- MIDDLE EAST EXPERT KATE SEELYE ON THE TURMOIL IN EGYPT.

EXPERT KATE SEELYE ON THE TURMOIL IN EGYPT.

>>> ALSO, BETTY ROLLIN REPORTS TURMOIL IN EGYPT.

>>> ALSO, BETTY ROLLIN REPORTS ON DOCTORS PERFORMING BLOODLESS >>> ALSO, BETTY ROLLIN REPORTS ON DOCTORS PERFORMING BLOODLESS SURGERY ON JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ON DOCTORS PERFORMING BLOODLESS SURGERY ON JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES WHOSE RELIGION FORBIDS BLOOD SURGERY ON JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES WHOSE RELIGION FORBIDS BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

WHOSE RELIGION FORBIDS BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

MANY SAY THAT'S JUST GOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

MANY SAY THAT'S JUST GOOD MEDICINE.

>> IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO AVOID MEDICINE.

>> IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO AVOID GETTING A BLOOD TRANSFUSION ONE >> IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO AVOID GETTING A BLOOD TRANSFUSION ONE IS BETTER OFF IN GENERAL IF THEY GETTING A BLOOD TRANSFUSION ONE IS BETTER OFF IN GENERAL IF THEY CAN AVOID IT.

IS BETTER OFF IN GENERAL IF THEY CAN AVOID IT.

>>> AND, LUCKY SEVERSON ON THE CAN AVOID IT.

>>> AND, LUCKY SEVERSON ON THE PHENOMENAL POPULARITY OF THE >>> AND, LUCKY SEVERSON ON THE PHENOMENAL POPULARITY OF THE POEMS OF KAHLIL GIBRAN.

PHENOMENAL POPULARITY OF THE POEMS OF KAHLIL GIBRAN.

>>> WELCOME.

POEMS OF KAHLIL GIBRAN.

>>> WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

>>> WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD THIS IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD THIS WEEK BEGAN THEIR MONTH-LONG MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD THIS WEEK BEGAN THEIR MONTH-LONG OBSERVANCE OF RAMADAN, WHEN THEY WEEK BEGAN THEIR MONTH-LONG OBSERVANCE OF RAMADAN, WHEN THEY FAST FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET.

OBSERVANCE OF RAMADAN, WHEN THEY FAST FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET.

IN EGYPT, THE HOLIDAY FALLS AMID FAST FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET.

IN EGYPT, THE HOLIDAY FALLS AMID CONTINUED UNREST AFTER THE IN EGYPT, THE HOLIDAY FALLS AMID CONTINUED UNREST AFTER THE MILITARY'S REMOVAL FROM POWER OF CONTINUED UNREST AFTER THE MILITARY'S REMOVAL FROM POWER OF FORMER PRESIDENT MOHAMED MORSI.

MILITARY'S REMOVAL FROM POWER OF FORMER PRESIDENT MOHAMED MORSI.

MORSI'S POLITICAL PARTY, THE FORMER PRESIDENT MOHAMED MORSI.

MORSI'S POLITICAL PARTY, THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD SAID IT WILL MORSI'S POLITICAL PARTY, THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD SAID IT WILL NOT COOPERATE WITH THE INTERIM MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD SAID IT WILL NOT COOPERATE WITH THE INTERIM GOVERNMENT AND VOWED TO CONTINUE NOT COOPERATE WITH THE INTERIM GOVERNMENT AND VOWED TO CONTINUE PROTESTING.

GOVERNMENT AND VOWED TO CONTINUE PROTESTING.

TENSIONS WERE PARTICULARLY HIGH PROTESTING.

TENSIONS WERE PARTICULARLY HIGH AFTER THE MILITARY FIRED ON TENSIONS WERE PARTICULARLY HIGH AFTER THE MILITARY FIRED ON BROTHERHOOD PROTESTERS, KILLING AFTER THE MILITARY FIRED ON BROTHERHOOD PROTESTERS, KILLING MORE THAN 50 PEOPLE.

BROTHERHOOD PROTESTERS, KILLING MORE THAN 50 PEOPLE.

ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S TOP MUSLIM MORE THAN 50 PEOPLE.

ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S TOP MUSLIM CLERICS CALLED FOR AN END TO ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S TOP MUSLIM CLERICS CALLED FOR AN END TO BLOODSHED AND WARNED BOTH SIDES CLERICS CALLED FOR AN END TO BLOODSHED AND WARNED BOTH SIDES AGAINST DRAGGING THE COUNTRY BLOODSHED AND WARNED BOTH SIDES AGAINST DRAGGING THE COUNTRY INTO CIVIL WAR.

AGAINST DRAGGING THE COUNTRY INTO CIVIL WAR.

I AM NOW JOINED BY KATE SEELYE, INTO CIVIL WAR.

I AM NOW JOINED BY KATE SEELYE, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF THE I AM NOW JOINED BY KATE SEELYE, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF THE NONPARTISAN MIDDLE EAST SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF THE NONPARTISAN MIDDLE EAST INSTITUTE.

NONPARTISAN MIDDLE EAST INSTITUTE.

SHE WAS A LONG TIME INSTITUTE.

SHE WAS A LONG TIME CORRESPONDENT IN THE MIDDLE EAST SHE WAS A LONG TIME CORRESPONDENT IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND HAS REPORTED FROM THERE FOR, CORRESPONDENT IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND HAS REPORTED FROM THERE FOR, AMONG OTHERS, THIS PROGRAM.

AND HAS REPORTED FROM THERE FOR, AMONG OTHERS, THIS PROGRAM.

KATE, WELCOME.

AMONG OTHERS, THIS PROGRAM.

KATE, WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

KATE, WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> YOU'VE BEEN TO EGYPT MANY >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> YOU'VE BEEN TO EGYPT MANY TIMES.

AS YOU LOOK AT IT FROM HERE, TIMES.

AS YOU LOOK AT IT FROM HERE, WHAT DO YOU SEE?

HOW DO YOU CHARACTERIZE THE MESS WHAT DO YOU SEE?

HOW DO YOU CHARACTERIZE THE MESS IT'S IN?

>> WELL, EGYPT IS FACING A VERY IT'S IN?

>> WELL, EGYPT IS FACING A VERY CHALLENGING SITUATION AS IT >> WELL, EGYPT IS FACING A VERY CHALLENGING SITUATION AS IT TRANSITIONS FROM AN CHALLENGING SITUATION AS IT TRANSITIONS FROM AN AUTHORITARIAN REGIME TO A TRANSITIONS FROM AN AUTHORITARIAN REGIME TO A DEMOCRACY IN THE FUTURE.

AUTHORITARIAN REGIME TO A DEMOCRACY IN THE FUTURE.

IT'S STILL VERY MUCH ALONG A DEMOCRACY IN THE FUTURE.

IT'S STILL VERY MUCH ALONG A TRANSITIONAL PATH.

>> BUT, HOW DO YOU DESCRIBE TRANSITIONAL PATH.

>> BUT, HOW DO YOU DESCRIBE WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TWO WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT VIEWS OF WHAT JUST >> WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT VIEWS OF WHAT JUST HAPPENED.

DIFFERENT VIEWS OF WHAT JUST HAPPENED.

THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY THAT A HAPPENED.

THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY THAT A COUP JUST TOOK PLACE, THAT A THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY THAT A COUP JUST TOOK PLACE, THAT A LEGITIMATELY ELECTED GOVERNMENT COUP JUST TOOK PLACE, THAT A LEGITIMATELY ELECTED GOVERNMENT WAS JUST OVERTHROWN.

LEGITIMATELY ELECTED GOVERNMENT WAS JUST OVERTHROWN.

YOU NOW HAVE THE MILITARY IN WAS JUST OVERTHROWN.

YOU NOW HAVE THE MILITARY IN OFFICE THAT IS ROUNDING UP THE YOU NOW HAVE THE MILITARY IN OFFICE THAT IS ROUNDING UP THE VERY ISLAMISTS THAT WERE RULING OFFICE THAT IS ROUNDING UP THE VERY ISLAMISTS THAT WERE RULING EGYPT JUST, YOU KNOW, A FEW VERY ISLAMISTS THAT WERE RULING EGYPT JUST, YOU KNOW, A FEW WEEKS AGO, PUTTING THEM IN EGYPT JUST, YOU KNOW, A FEW WEEKS AGO, PUTTING THEM IN PRISON AND CLOSING DOWN THE WEEKS AGO, PUTTING THEM IN PRISON AND CLOSING DOWN THE MEDIA.

PRISON AND CLOSING DOWN THE MEDIA.

YOU HAVE LIBERALS ON THE OTHER MEDIA.

YOU HAVE LIBERALS ON THE OTHER HAND, WHO SUPPORTED THE RECENT YOU HAVE LIBERALS ON THE OTHER HAND, WHO SUPPORTED THE RECENT POPULAR UPRISING, WHO SAY THIS HAND, WHO SUPPORTED THE RECENT POPULAR UPRISING, WHO SAY THIS IS THE VERY BEST THING THAT POPULAR UPRISING, WHO SAY THIS IS THE VERY BEST THING THAT COULD HAVE EVER HAPPENED TO IS THE VERY BEST THING THAT COULD HAVE EVER HAPPENED TO EGYPT.

COULD HAVE EVER HAPPENED TO EGYPT.

THEY SAY MORSI, THE PRESIDENT, EGYPT.

THEY SAY MORSI, THE PRESIDENT, WAS INCOMPETENT, THAT HE WAS THEY SAY MORSI, THE PRESIDENT, WAS INCOMPETENT, THAT HE WAS AUTHORITARIAN, AS AUTHORITARIAN WAS INCOMPETENT, THAT HE WAS AUTHORITARIAN, AS AUTHORITARIAN AS MUBARAK.

AUTHORITARIAN, AS AUTHORITARIAN AS MUBARAK.

AND THEY NOTE THAT THE ECONOMY AS MUBARAK.

AND THEY NOTE THAT THE ECONOMY WAS COLLAPSING.

THERE WERE TWO MONTHS LEFT OF WAS COLLAPSING.

THERE WERE TWO MONTHS LEFT OF WHEAT SUPPLIES.

NOW, IN RESPONSE TO WHAT'S JUST WHEAT SUPPLIES.

NOW, IN RESPONSE TO WHAT'S JUST HAPPENED, GULF COUNTRIES HAVE NOW, IN RESPONSE TO WHAT'S JUST HAPPENED, GULF COUNTRIES HAVE COMMITTED $12 BILLION TO EGYPT.

HAPPENED, GULF COUNTRIES HAVE COMMITTED $12 BILLION TO EGYPT.

THE NEW PRIME MINISTER IS A COMMITTED $12 BILLION TO EGYPT.

THE NEW PRIME MINISTER IS A RENOWNED ECONOMIST AND THE THE NEW PRIME MINISTER IS A RENOWNED ECONOMIST AND THE LIBERALS SAY THERE'S HOPE THAT RENOWNED ECONOMIST AND THE LIBERALS SAY THERE'S HOPE THAT EGYPT WILL BECOME PROSPEROUS AND LIBERALS SAY THERE'S HOPE THAT EGYPT WILL BECOME PROSPEROUS AND STABLE ONCE AGAIN.

EGYPT WILL BECOME PROSPEROUS AND STABLE ONCE AGAIN.

>> BUT THEY HAD ELECTIONS.

STABLE ONCE AGAIN.

>> BUT THEY HAD ELECTIONS.

HOW CAN THEY -- MORSI WAS FREELY >> BUT THEY HAD ELECTIONS.

HOW CAN THEY -- MORSI WAS FREELY ELECTED.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ELECTED.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY THAT >> ABSOLUTELY.

AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY THAT THIS IS VERY BAD FOR THE FUTURE AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY THAT THIS IS VERY BAD FOR THE FUTURE OF DEMOCRACY IN EGYPT.

THIS IS VERY BAD FOR THE FUTURE OF DEMOCRACY IN EGYPT.

IT'S BEEN A REAL SETBACK FOR OF DEMOCRACY IN EGYPT.

IT'S BEEN A REAL SETBACK FOR DEMOCRACY.

THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL DEMOCRACY.

THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ELECTIONS SINCE THE OVERTHROW OF THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL ELECTIONS SINCE THE OVERTHROW OF MUBARAK.

ELECTIONS SINCE THE OVERTHROW OF MUBARAK.

THEY HAVE ALL BEEN ANNULLED.

MUBARAK.

THEY HAVE ALL BEEN ANNULLED.

AND YET ON THE OTHER HAND MANY THEY HAVE ALL BEEN ANNULLED.

AND YET ON THE OTHER HAND MANY LIBERALS FEEL THAT THE DIRECTION AND YET ON THE OTHER HAND MANY LIBERALS FEEL THAT THE DIRECTION THE COUNTRY WAS GOING IN UNDER LIBERALS FEEL THAT THE DIRECTION THE COUNTRY WAS GOING IN UNDER THE DEMOCRATICALLY-ELECTED THE COUNTRY WAS GOING IN UNDER THE DEMOCRATICALLY-ELECTED MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD ISLAMIST THE DEMOCRATICALLY-ELECTED MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD ISLAMIST LEADERSHIP WAS VERY, VERY BAD MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD ISLAMIST LEADERSHIP WAS VERY, VERY BAD AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CONTINUE LEADERSHIP WAS VERY, VERY BAD AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CONTINUE IN THAT DIRECTION.

AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CONTINUE IN THAT DIRECTION.

>> HOW MUCH WAS JUST BECAUSE IN THAT DIRECTION.

>> HOW MUCH WAS JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT THE >> HOW MUCH WAS JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS DOING AND HOW THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS DOING AND HOW MUCH OF IT HAD TO DO WITH ISLAM?

GOVERNMENT WAS DOING AND HOW MUCH OF IT HAD TO DO WITH ISLAM?

>> WELL, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO MUCH OF IT HAD TO DO WITH ISLAM?

>> WELL, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM.

IT HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WITH ISLAM.

IT HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR GOVERNMENT WHICH IT HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR GOVERNMENT WHICH WAS THE FIRST ISLAMIST THIS PARTICULAR GOVERNMENT WHICH WAS THE FIRST ISLAMIST GOVERNMENT IN EGYPT'S HISTORY.

WAS THE FIRST ISLAMIST GOVERNMENT IN EGYPT'S HISTORY.

SO HOW DID THEY RULE?

GOVERNMENT IN EGYPT'S HISTORY.

SO HOW DID THEY RULE?

WELL, THEY WERE INCOMPETENT SO HOW DID THEY RULE?

WELL, THEY WERE INCOMPETENT BECAUSE THEY'VE NEVER HAD A WELL, THEY WERE INCOMPETENT BECAUSE THEY'VE NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO RULE BEFORE.

BECAUSE THEY'VE NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO RULE BEFORE.

THEY WERE A PARTY THAT WAS CHANCE TO RULE BEFORE.

THEY WERE A PARTY THAT WAS BANNED FOR DECADES.

THEY'VE NEVER HAD EXPERIENCE BANNED FOR DECADES.

THEY'VE NEVER HAD EXPERIENCE RUNNING ANYTHING.

SO THEY WERE INCOMPETENT.

RUNNING ANYTHING.

SO THEY WERE INCOMPETENT.

THEY WERE AUTHORITARIAN.

SO THEY WERE INCOMPETENT.

THEY WERE AUTHORITARIAN.

THEY WERE NOT INCLUSIVE.

THEY WERE AUTHORITARIAN.

THEY WERE NOT INCLUSIVE.

THEY WERE DISMISSIVE OF THEY WERE NOT INCLUSIVE.

THEY WERE DISMISSIVE OF LIBERALS, WOMEN AND MINORITIES.

SO IN GENERAL PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE LIBERALS, WOMEN AND MINORITIES.

SO IN GENERAL PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE HOW THIS ISLAMIST GOVERNMENT WAS SO IN GENERAL PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE HOW THIS ISLAMIST GOVERNMENT WAS RULING.

HOW THIS ISLAMIST GOVERNMENT WAS RULING.

THEY ALSO FEARED THAT THEY WOULD RULING.

THEY ALSO FEARED THAT THEY WOULD TRY TO ISLAMIZE THE STATE, MAKE THEY ALSO FEARED THAT THEY WOULD TRY TO ISLAMIZE THE STATE, MAKE IT MORE ISLAMIST.

TRY TO ISLAMIZE THE STATE, MAKE IT MORE ISLAMIST.

AND WE SAW THAT IN THE NEW IT MORE ISLAMIST.

AND WE SAW THAT IN THE NEW CONSTITUTION WHICH THEY PUSHED AND WE SAW THAT IN THE NEW CONSTITUTION WHICH THEY PUSHED THROUGH IN JANUARY IN WHICH MANY CONSTITUTION WHICH THEY PUSHED THROUGH IN JANUARY IN WHICH MANY OF THE CLAUSES WERE ONCE AGAIN THROUGH IN JANUARY IN WHICH MANY OF THE CLAUSES WERE ONCE AGAIN NOT VERY RESPECTFUL OF WOMEN, OF THE CLAUSES WERE ONCE AGAIN NOT VERY RESPECTFUL OF WOMEN, MINORITIES AND OTHERS.

NOT VERY RESPECTFUL OF WOMEN, MINORITIES AND OTHERS.

AND SO I THINK EGYPTIANS JUST MINORITIES AND OTHERS.

AND SO I THINK EGYPTIANS JUST ROSE UP AND SAID WE DON'T LIKE AND SO I THINK EGYPTIANS JUST ROSE UP AND SAID WE DON'T LIKE THE DIRECTION EGYPT IS GOING IN.

ROSE UP AND SAID WE DON'T LIKE THE DIRECTION EGYPT IS GOING IN.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T LOVE THE DIRECTION EGYPT IS GOING IN.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T LOVE MUSLIMS, MOST OF US ARE MUSLIMS.

BUT WE DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF AN MUSLIMS, MOST OF US ARE MUSLIMS.

BUT WE DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF AN ISLAMIST EGYPT.

>> THAT'S INTERESTING.

ISLAMIST EGYPT.

>> THAT'S INTERESTING.

WHAT ABOUT THE COPTS, THE >> THAT'S INTERESTING.

WHAT ABOUT THE COPTS, THE CHRISTIANS THERE?

WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEM?

CHRISTIANS THERE?

WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEM?

>> WELL, THEY'RE MUCH RELIEVED WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEM?

>> WELL, THEY'RE MUCH RELIEVED TODAY.

THEY SUFFERED UNDER THE MORSI TODAY.

THEY SUFFERED UNDER THE MORSI GOVERNMENT FOR THE PAST YEAR.

WHAT DEMOCRACY DID IN EGYPT WAS GOVERNMENT FOR THE PAST YEAR.

WHAT DEMOCRACY DID IN EGYPT WAS IT BROUGHT INTO OFFICE MORE WHAT DEMOCRACY DID IN EGYPT WAS IT BROUGHT INTO OFFICE MORE ISLAMISTS AND ISLAMISTS THAT ARE IT BROUGHT INTO OFFICE MORE ISLAMISTS AND ISLAMISTS THAT ARE MORE I WOULD SAY RADICAL THAN ISLAMISTS AND ISLAMISTS THAT ARE MORE I WOULD SAY RADICAL THAN THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD WHO CALL MORE I WOULD SAY RADICAL THAN THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD WHO CALL CHRISTIANS HERETICS AND WHO WERE THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD WHO CALL CHRISTIANS HERETICS AND WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR ATTACKS AGAINST CHRISTIANS HERETICS AND WHO WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR ATTACKS AGAINST CHRISTIAN BUSINESSES AND RESPONSIBLE FOR ATTACKS AGAINST CHRISTIAN BUSINESSES AND CHURCHES AND HOMES.

CHRISTIAN BUSINESSES AND CHURCHES AND HOMES.

BUT MORSI ALSO CREATED A HOSTILE CHURCHES AND HOMES.

BUT MORSI ALSO CREATED A HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT.

ONE OF HIS KEY CLERICS DURING ENVIRONMENT.

ONE OF HIS KEY CLERICS DURING EASTER CALLED UPON MUSLIMS NOT ONE OF HIS KEY CLERICS DURING EASTER CALLED UPON MUSLIMS NOT TO SAY HAPPY EASTER TO THEIR EASTER CALLED UPON MUSLIMS NOT TO SAY HAPPY EASTER TO THEIR CHRISTIAN NEIGHBORS CAUSE THAT TO SAY HAPPY EASTER TO THEIR CHRISTIAN NEIGHBORS CAUSE THAT WOULD BE UN-ISLAMIC.

CHRISTIAN NEIGHBORS CAUSE THAT WOULD BE UN-ISLAMIC.

SO UNDER MORSI, CHRISTIANS WOULD BE UN-ISLAMIC.

SO UNDER MORSI, CHRISTIANS SUFFERED AND THEY'VE BEEN SO UNDER MORSI, CHRISTIANS SUFFERED AND THEY'VE BEEN LEAVING THE COUNTRY IN DROVES SUFFERED AND THEY'VE BEEN LEAVING THE COUNTRY IN DROVES EVER SINCE.

LEAVING THE COUNTRY IN DROVES EVER SINCE.

>> AND STILL ARE.

EVER SINCE.

>> AND STILL ARE.

>> KATE SEELYE OF THE MIDDLE >> AND STILL ARE.

>> KATE SEELYE OF THE MIDDLE EAST INSTITUTE.

MANY THANKS TO YOU.

EAST INSTITUTE.

MANY THANKS TO YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MANY THANKS TO YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, IN SYRIA, >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, IN SYRIA, FIGHTING CONTINUED THIS WEEK >>> IN OTHER NEWS, IN SYRIA, FIGHTING CONTINUED THIS WEEK DESPITE CALLS FROM THE UNITED FIGHTING CONTINUED THIS WEEK DESPITE CALLS FROM THE UNITED NATIONS FOR A CEASE-FIRE DURING DESPITE CALLS FROM THE UNITED NATIONS FOR A CEASE-FIRE DURING RAMADAN.

NATIONS FOR A CEASE-FIRE DURING RAMADAN.

THE U.N. AND OTHER INTERNATIONAL RAMADAN.

THE U.N. AND OTHER INTERNATIONAL AID GROUPS SAY CIVILIANS IN THE U.N. AND OTHER INTERNATIONAL AID GROUPS SAY CIVILIANS IN SYRIA ARE FACING EXTREMELY AID GROUPS SAY CIVILIANS IN SYRIA ARE FACING EXTREMELY SEVERE SHORTAGES OF FOOD, WATER SYRIA ARE FACING EXTREMELY SEVERE SHORTAGES OF FOOD, WATER AND MEDICINE.

SEVERE SHORTAGES OF FOOD, WATER AND MEDICINE.

>>> AT THE VATICAN THIS WEEK, AND MEDICINE.

>>> AT THE VATICAN THIS WEEK, POPE FRANCIS UPDATED VATICAN >>> AT THE VATICAN THIS WEEK, POPE FRANCIS UPDATED VATICAN CITY LAWS RELATED TO CHILD POPE FRANCIS UPDATED VATICAN CITY LAWS RELATED TO CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE AND TO THE LEAKING CITY LAWS RELATED TO CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE AND TO THE LEAKING OF VATICAN INFORMATION.

SEXUAL ABUSE AND TO THE LEAKING OF VATICAN INFORMATION.

THE LAWS APPLY TO ALL VATICAN OF VATICAN INFORMATION.

THE LAWS APPLY TO ALL VATICAN EMPLOYEES.

POPE FRANCIS INCREASED THE EMPLOYEES.

POPE FRANCIS INCREASED THE PRISON SENTENCES FOR SEXUAL POPE FRANCIS INCREASED THE PRISON SENTENCES FOR SEXUAL ABUSE AND ADDED ONE FOR PRISON SENTENCES FOR SEXUAL ABUSE AND ADDED ONE FOR POSSESSION OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.

ABUSE AND ADDED ONE FOR POSSESSION OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.

AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, HE MADE POSSESSION OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.

AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, HE MADE LEAKING CONFIDENTIAL VATICAN AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, HE MADE LEAKING CONFIDENTIAL VATICAN INFORMATION A CRIME.

LEAKING CONFIDENTIAL VATICAN INFORMATION A CRIME.

ALSO, THIS WEEK, THE POPE INFORMATION A CRIME.

ALSO, THIS WEEK, THE POPE VISITED THE ITALIAN ISLAND OF ALSO, THIS WEEK, THE POPE VISITED THE ITALIAN ISLAND OF LAMPEDUSA.

VISITED THE ITALIAN ISLAND OF LAMPEDUSA.

THOUSANDS OF IMMIGRANTS AND LAMPEDUSA.

THOUSANDS OF IMMIGRANTS AND REFUGEES HOPING TO ENTER EUROPE THOUSANDS OF IMMIGRANTS AND REFUGEES HOPING TO ENTER EUROPE TRAVEL TO THE ISLAND EVERY YEAR REFUGEES HOPING TO ENTER EUROPE TRAVEL TO THE ISLAND EVERY YEAR IN DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.

TRAVEL TO THE ISLAND EVERY YEAR IN DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.

THE POPE MOURNED THOSE WHO HAVE IN DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.

THE POPE MOURNED THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AT SEA AND WARNED AGAINST THE POPE MOURNED THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AT SEA AND WARNED AGAINST "THE GLOBALIZATION OF DIED AT SEA AND WARNED AGAINST "THE GLOBALIZATION OF INDIFFERENCE."

"THE GLOBALIZATION OF INDIFFERENCE."

MEANWHILE, MANY CATHOLICS AROUND INDIFFERENCE."

MEANWHILE, MANY CATHOLICS AROUND THE WORLD CELEBRATED FRANCIS'S MEANWHILE, MANY CATHOLICS AROUND THE WORLD CELEBRATED FRANCIS'S APPROVAL OF SAINTHOOD FOR POPE THE WORLD CELEBRATED FRANCIS'S APPROVAL OF SAINTHOOD FOR POPE JOHN PAUL II AND POPE JOHN APPROVAL OF SAINTHOOD FOR POPE JOHN PAUL II AND POPE JOHN XXIII.

JOHN PAUL II AND POPE JOHN XXIII.

JOHN PAUL II, WHO DIED IN 2005, XXIII.

JOHN PAUL II, WHO DIED IN 2005, WILL HAVE BECOME A SAINT IN JOHN PAUL II, WHO DIED IN 2005, WILL HAVE BECOME A SAINT IN RECORD TIME, EIGHT YEARS.

WILL HAVE BECOME A SAINT IN RECORD TIME, EIGHT YEARS.

AND, FOR JOHN THE XXIII, FRANCIS RECORD TIME, EIGHT YEARS.

AND, FOR JOHN THE XXIII, FRANCIS WAIVED THE REQUIREMENT OF A AND, FOR JOHN THE XXIII, FRANCIS WAIVED THE REQUIREMENT OF A SECOND MIRACLE.

WAIVED THE REQUIREMENT OF A SECOND MIRACLE.

>>> ONE OF THE GREAT DILEMMAS SECOND MIRACLE.

>>> ONE OF THE GREAT DILEMMAS FOR SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE CAN >>> ONE OF THE GREAT DILEMMAS FOR SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE CAN OCCUR WHEN DOCTRINE SEEMS TO FOR SOME RELIGIOUS PEOPLE CAN OCCUR WHEN DOCTRINE SEEMS TO PREVENT CARE.

OCCUR WHEN DOCTRINE SEEMS TO PREVENT CARE.

FOR INSTANCE, WHEN PREVENT CARE.

FOR INSTANCE, WHEN A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS REFUSES FOR INSTANCE, WHEN A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS REFUSES SURGERY BECAUSE HIS OR HER A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS REFUSES SURGERY BECAUSE HIS OR HER BELIEFS PROHIBIT BLOOD SURGERY BECAUSE HIS OR HER BELIEFS PROHIBIT BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

BELIEFS PROHIBIT BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

BUT THERE MAY BE A WAY THROUGH TRANSFUSIONS.

BUT THERE MAY BE A WAY THROUGH THAT PROBLEM.

BETTY ROLLIN REPORTS ON A THAT PROBLEM.

BETTY ROLLIN REPORTS ON A HOSPITAL WHERE NEARLY ALL THE BETTY ROLLIN REPORTS ON A HOSPITAL WHERE NEARLY ALL THE OPERATIONS ARE PREFORMED WITHOUT HOSPITAL WHERE NEARLY ALL THE OPERATIONS ARE PREFORMED WITHOUT THE NEED FOR TRANSFUSIONS.

OPERATIONS ARE PREFORMED WITHOUT THE NEED FOR TRANSFUSIONS.

THE TECHNIQUE IS CALLED THE NEED FOR TRANSFUSIONS.

THE TECHNIQUE IS CALLED BLOODLESS SURGERY, AND DOCTORS THE TECHNIQUE IS CALLED BLOODLESS SURGERY, AND DOCTORS PERFORMING IT SAY IT IS SIMPLY BLOODLESS SURGERY, AND DOCTORS PERFORMING IT SAY IT IS SIMPLY GOOD MEDICINE.

PERFORMING IT SAY IT IS SIMPLY GOOD MEDICINE.

>> THE KINGDOM HALL OF JEHOVAH'S GOOD MEDICINE.

>> THE KINGDOM HALL OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IN CUMMING, GEORGIA.

♪ WITNESSES IN CUMMING, GEORGIA.

♪ JUSTINE AND GARY LACLAIR ARE ♪ JUSTINE AND GARY LACLAIR ARE AMONG THE CONGREGANTS.

JUSTINE AND GARY LACLAIR ARE AMONG THE CONGREGANTS.

AND THEY ARE AMONG THE AMONG THE CONGREGANTS.

AND THEY ARE AMONG THE 1.2 MILLION JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND THEY ARE AMONG THE 1.2 MILLION JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IN THE UNITED STATES.

1.2 MILLION JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IN THE UNITED STATES.

THE ORGANIZATION OF JEHOVAH'S IN THE UNITED STATES.

THE ORGANIZATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES WAS BEGUN IN THE LATE THE ORGANIZATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES WAS BEGUN IN THE LATE 19th CENTURY BY A SMALL GROUP OF WITNESSES WAS BEGUN IN THE LATE 19th CENTURY BY A SMALL GROUP OF BIBLE STUDENTS IN PENNSYLVANIA.

19th CENTURY BY A SMALL GROUP OF BIBLE STUDENTS IN PENNSYLVANIA.

>> WE BELIEVE FROM THE BIBLE BIBLE STUDENTS IN PENNSYLVANIA.

>> WE BELIEVE FROM THE BIBLE THAT GOD HAS A NAME AND IT IS >> WE BELIEVE FROM THE BIBLE THAT GOD HAS A NAME AND IT IS JEHOVAH, AND THAT HIS SON, JESUS THAT GOD HAS A NAME AND IT IS JEHOVAH, AND THAT HIS SON, JESUS CHRIST IS SEPARATE.

JEHOVAH, AND THAT HIS SON, JESUS CHRIST IS SEPARATE.

HIS KINGDOM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED CHRIST IS SEPARATE.

HIS KINGDOM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED IN HEAVEN AND INSTEAD OF HIS KINGDOM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED IN HEAVEN AND INSTEAD OF EVERYBODY GOING TO HEAVEN WHEN IN HEAVEN AND INSTEAD OF EVERYBODY GOING TO HEAVEN WHEN THEY DIE THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE EVERYBODY GOING TO HEAVEN WHEN THEY DIE THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE A RESURRECTION HERE ON THE EARTH THEY DIE THERE WILL ACTUALLY BE A RESURRECTION HERE ON THE EARTH AND ALL OF OUR LOVED ONES WILL A RESURRECTION HERE ON THE EARTH AND ALL OF OUR LOVED ONES WILL COME BACK AND WE'LL ENJOY AND ALL OF OUR LOVED ONES WILL COME BACK AND WE'LL ENJOY PERFECT LIFE FOREVER RIGHT HERE COME BACK AND WE'LL ENJOY PERFECT LIFE FOREVER RIGHT HERE ON EARTH.

PERFECT LIFE FOREVER RIGHT HERE ON EARTH.

WHERE A LOT OF RELIGIONS MAY ON EARTH.

WHERE A LOT OF RELIGIONS MAY TEACH THINGS SUCH AS HELL FIRE, WHERE A LOT OF RELIGIONS MAY TEACH THINGS SUCH AS HELL FIRE, IMMORTALITY OF THE SOUL, AND TEACH THINGS SUCH AS HELL FIRE, IMMORTALITY OF THE SOUL, AND TRINITY, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IMMORTALITY OF THE SOUL, AND TRINITY, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DON'T BELIEVE THOSE TEACHINGS.

TRINITY, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DON'T BELIEVE THOSE TEACHINGS.

WE TAKE THE BIBLE VERY LITERALLY DON'T BELIEVE THOSE TEACHINGS.

WE TAKE THE BIBLE VERY LITERALLY AND BELIEVE THE BIBLE FOR WHAT WE TAKE THE BIBLE VERY LITERALLY AND BELIEVE THE BIBLE FOR WHAT IT IS.

AND BELIEVE THE BIBLE FOR WHAT IT IS.

WE LOOK FOR THE TRUTH IN THE IT IS.

WE LOOK FOR THE TRUTH IN THE BIBLE.

>> ONE OF THE "TRUTHS" WITNESSES BIBLE.

>> ONE OF THE "TRUTHS" WITNESSES BELIEVE IN HAS TO DO WITH BLOOD.

>> IN GENESIS AND AGAIN BELIEVE IN HAS TO DO WITH BLOOD.

>> IN GENESIS AND AGAIN LEVITICUS, THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC >> IN GENESIS AND AGAIN LEVITICUS, THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC SCRIPTURES THAT STATE THAT THE LEVITICUS, THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC SCRIPTURES THAT STATE THAT THE BLOOD IS SACRED AND THAT LIFE IS SCRIPTURES THAT STATE THAT THE BLOOD IS SACRED AND THAT LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD AND THAT BELONGS TO BLOOD IS SACRED AND THAT LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD AND THAT BELONGS TO GOD.

IN THE BLOOD AND THAT BELONGS TO GOD.

SO WE WANT TO RESPECT THAT AND GOD.

SO WE WANT TO RESPECT THAT AND BE OBEDIENT TO THAT.

SO THAT MEANS JEHOVAH'S BE OBEDIENT TO THAT.

SO THAT MEANS JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DO NOT ACCEPT BLOOD SO THAT MEANS JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES DO NOT ACCEPT BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

WITNESSES DO NOT ACCEPT BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

>> THEY BELIEVE TO DO SO WOULD TRANSFUSIONS.

>> THEY BELIEVE TO DO SO WOULD BE A SIN, A SIN SERIOUS ENOUGH >> THEY BELIEVE TO DO SO WOULD BE A SIN, A SIN SERIOUS ENOUGH THAT MANY CHURCH MEMBERS WOULD BE A SIN, A SIN SERIOUS ENOUGH THAT MANY CHURCH MEMBERS WOULD RATHER DIE THAN RECEIVE BLOOD THAT MANY CHURCH MEMBERS WOULD RATHER DIE THAN RECEIVE BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

RATHER DIE THAN RECEIVE BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN VERY MUCH ON TRANSFUSIONS.

THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN VERY MUCH ON THE LACLAIRS' MINDS BECAUSE IN THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN VERY MUCH ON THE LACLAIRS' MINDS BECAUSE IN MAY, THE 43-YEAR-OLD JUSTINE WAS THE LACLAIRS' MINDS BECAUSE IN MAY, THE 43-YEAR-OLD JUSTINE WAS ABOUT TO HAVE SURGERY.

MAY, THE 43-YEAR-OLD JUSTINE WAS ABOUT TO HAVE SURGERY.

SHE HAD A TUMOR IN HER SKULL ABOUT TO HAVE SURGERY.

SHE HAD A TUMOR IN HER SKULL WHICH HAD TO BE REMOVED.

FOR THIS TYPE OF SURGERY MOST WHICH HAD TO BE REMOVED.

FOR THIS TYPE OF SURGERY MOST HOSPITALS MIGHT HAVE REQUIRED A FOR THIS TYPE OF SURGERY MOST HOSPITALS MIGHT HAVE REQUIRED A BLOOD TRANSFUSION, WHICH WAS HOSPITALS MIGHT HAVE REQUIRED A BLOOD TRANSFUSION, WHICH WAS UNACCEPTABLE TO JUSTINE AND TO BLOOD TRANSFUSION, WHICH WAS UNACCEPTABLE TO JUSTINE AND TO HER HUSBAND GARY AS WELL.

UNACCEPTABLE TO JUSTINE AND TO HER HUSBAND GARY AS WELL.

>> IT'S HER DECISION OBVIOUSLY, HER HUSBAND GARY AS WELL.

>> IT'S HER DECISION OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER IF >> IT'S HER DECISION OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER IF SHE HAD SUPPORT AND THAT'S BUT IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER IF SHE HAD SUPPORT AND THAT'S REALLY MY RESPONSIBILITY AND I'M SHE HAD SUPPORT AND THAT'S REALLY MY RESPONSIBILITY AND I'M TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.

REALLY MY RESPONSIBILITY AND I'M TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.

>> THE LACLAIRS FOUND A SOLUTION TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.

>> THE LACLAIRS FOUND A SOLUTION TO THEIR PROBLEM IN ENGLEWOOD, >> THE LACLAIRS FOUND A SOLUTION TO THEIR PROBLEM IN ENGLEWOOD, NEW JERSEY.

TO THEIR PROBLEM IN ENGLEWOOD, NEW JERSEY.

NEARLY 20 YEARS AGO THE NEW JERSEY.

NEARLY 20 YEARS AGO THE ENGLEWOOD HOSPITAL BEGAN A NEARLY 20 YEARS AGO THE ENGLEWOOD HOSPITAL BEGAN A BLOODLESS SURGERY PROGRAM.

ENGLEWOOD HOSPITAL BEGAN A BLOODLESS SURGERY PROGRAM.

THE POLICY GREW OUT OF THE NEED BLOODLESS SURGERY PROGRAM.

THE POLICY GREW OUT OF THE NEED OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, AND NOW THE POLICY GREW OUT OF THE NEED OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, AND NOW IT HAS BECOME THE HOSPITAL'S OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, AND NOW IT HAS BECOME THE HOSPITAL'S PREFERRED METHOD OF SURGERY FOR IT HAS BECOME THE HOSPITAL'S PREFERRED METHOD OF SURGERY FOR ALL PATIENTS.

PREFERRED METHOD OF SURGERY FOR ALL PATIENTS.

>> DO YOU SEE THIS THING HERE?

ALL PATIENTS.

>> DO YOU SEE THIS THING HERE?

>> YES.

>> DO YOU SEE THIS THING HERE?

>> YES.

>> THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE >> YES.

>> THAT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE.

THIS IS A TUMOR OF SOME KIND.

HERE.

THIS IS A TUMOR OF SOME KIND.

OKAY?

THIS IS A TUMOR OF SOME KIND.

OKAY?

>> DR. STEINBERGER, WHO OKAY?

>> DR. STEINBERGER, WHO PERFORMED JUSTINE'S SURGERY, HAS >> DR. STEINBERGER, WHO PERFORMED JUSTINE'S SURGERY, HAS BECOME A FIRM BELIEVER IN PERFORMED JUSTINE'S SURGERY, HAS BECOME A FIRM BELIEVER IN ENGLEWOOD'S AVOIDANCE OF BLOOD BECOME A FIRM BELIEVER IN ENGLEWOOD'S AVOIDANCE OF BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

ENGLEWOOD'S AVOIDANCE OF BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

FOR HIM IT'S JUST GOOD MEDICINE.

TRANSFUSIONS.

FOR HIM IT'S JUST GOOD MEDICINE.

>> THE SCIENCE SEEMED VERY REAL.

FOR HIM IT'S JUST GOOD MEDICINE.

>> THE SCIENCE SEEMED VERY REAL.

THE LITERATURE SEEMED TO SUPPORT >> THE SCIENCE SEEMED VERY REAL.

THE LITERATURE SEEMED TO SUPPORT IT AND ONCE WE STARTED DOING THE THE LITERATURE SEEMED TO SUPPORT IT AND ONCE WE STARTED DOING THE OPERATIONS, THE RESULTS WERE IT AND ONCE WE STARTED DOING THE OPERATIONS, THE RESULTS WERE GREAT.

OPERATIONS, THE RESULTS WERE GREAT.

THE RISKS OF GIVING BLOOD IN GREAT.

THE RISKS OF GIVING BLOOD IN MANY CASES OUTWEIGH THE BENEFITS THE RISKS OF GIVING BLOOD IN MANY CASES OUTWEIGH THE BENEFITS OF GIVING BLOOD.

MANY CASES OUTWEIGH THE BENEFITS OF GIVING BLOOD.

THERE ARE RISKS OF INFECTIONS, OF GIVING BLOOD.

THERE ARE RISKS OF INFECTIONS, THERE ARE RISKS OF LOWERING THE THERE ARE RISKS OF INFECTIONS, THERE ARE RISKS OF LOWERING THE IMMUNE RESPONSE OF THE PATIENT, THERE ARE RISKS OF LOWERING THE IMMUNE RESPONSE OF THE PATIENT, THERE ARE RISKS OF GIVING THE IMMUNE RESPONSE OF THE PATIENT, THERE ARE RISKS OF GIVING THE WRONG KIND OF BLOOD, ERRORS CAN THERE ARE RISKS OF GIVING THE WRONG KIND OF BLOOD, ERRORS CAN OCCUR AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO WRONG KIND OF BLOOD, ERRORS CAN OCCUR AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO AVOID GETTING A BLOOD OCCUR AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO AVOID GETTING A BLOOD TRANSFUSION, ONE IS BETTER OFF AVOID GETTING A BLOOD TRANSFUSION, ONE IS BETTER OFF IN GENERAL IF THEY CAN AVOID IT.

TRANSFUSION, ONE IS BETTER OFF IN GENERAL IF THEY CAN AVOID IT.

>> IN ANY SENSE, DO YOU FEEL THE IN GENERAL IF THEY CAN AVOID IT.

>> IN ANY SENSE, DO YOU FEEL THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES HAVE DONE >> IN ANY SENSE, DO YOU FEEL THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES HAVE DONE MEDICINE A SERVICE?

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES HAVE DONE MEDICINE A SERVICE?

>> DEFINITELY.

MEDICINE A SERVICE?

>> DEFINITELY.

THEY DEFINITELY HAVE DONE >> DEFINITELY.

THEY DEFINITELY HAVE DONE MEDICINE A SERVICE.

>> NOW ARE NOT ACCEPTING BLOOD MEDICINE A SERVICE.

>> NOW ARE NOT ACCEPTING BLOOD REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

>> THE KEY TO SUCCESSFUL REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

>> THE KEY TO SUCCESSFUL BLOODLESS SURGERY IS >> THE KEY TO SUCCESSFUL BLOODLESS SURGERY IS PREPARATION.

BLOODLESS SURGERY IS PREPARATION.

SHERRI OZAWA DIRECTS THE PREPARATION.

SHERRI OZAWA DIRECTS THE HOSPITAL'S BLOODLESS SURGERY SHERRI OZAWA DIRECTS THE HOSPITAL'S BLOODLESS SURGERY PROGRAM.

HOSPITAL'S BLOODLESS SURGERY PROGRAM.

>> MANY, MANY PATIENTS, PROGRAM.

>> MANY, MANY PATIENTS, ESTIMATES ARE AS MANY AS 40 OR >> MANY, MANY PATIENTS, ESTIMATES ARE AS MANY AS 40 OR 50% OF PATIENTS COME TO SURGERY ESTIMATES ARE AS MANY AS 40 OR 50% OF PATIENTS COME TO SURGERY WHO ARE ANEMIC.

50% OF PATIENTS COME TO SURGERY WHO ARE ANEMIC.

THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BLOOD WHO ARE ANEMIC.

THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BLOOD CELLS.

VERY SIMPLY, DEALING WITH THAT CELLS.

VERY SIMPLY, DEALING WITH THAT AHEAD OF TIME, HELPING TO BUILD VERY SIMPLY, DEALING WITH THAT AHEAD OF TIME, HELPING TO BUILD THOSE PATIENTS' BLOOD UP AHEAD OF TIME, HELPING TO BUILD THOSE PATIENTS' BLOOD UP ELIMINATES EVEN THE QUESTION OF THOSE PATIENTS' BLOOD UP ELIMINATES EVEN THE QUESTION OF TRANSFUSION FOR MANY PATIENTS.

ELIMINATES EVEN THE QUESTION OF TRANSFUSION FOR MANY PATIENTS.

WE COULD PERFORM EVEN SERIOUS TRANSFUSION FOR MANY PATIENTS.

WE COULD PERFORM EVEN SERIOUS SURGERIES AND EVEN LIFE WE COULD PERFORM EVEN SERIOUS SURGERIES AND EVEN LIFE THREATENING SITUATIONS SURGERIES AND EVEN LIFE THREATENING SITUATIONS BLOODLESSLY WITH MUCH GREATER THREATENING SITUATIONS BLOODLESSLY WITH MUCH GREATER SUCCESS THAN OTHER PEOPLE WOULD BLOODLESSLY WITH MUCH GREATER SUCCESS THAN OTHER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED, EVEN THAN WE SUCCESS THAN OTHER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED, EVEN THAN WE EXPECTED INITIALLY.

HAVE EXPECTED, EVEN THAN WE EXPECTED INITIALLY.

>> AND THERE IS THE COST OF EXPECTED INITIALLY.

>> AND THERE IS THE COST OF BLOOD.

>> IT'S IMMENSELY EXPENSIVE AND BLOOD.

>> IT'S IMMENSELY EXPENSIVE AND IF IT'S DONE FOR NO GOOD REASON >> IT'S IMMENSELY EXPENSIVE AND IF IT'S DONE FOR NO GOOD REASON THAT IS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF IF IT'S DONE FOR NO GOOD REASON THAT IS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF WASTE IN THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

THAT IS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF WASTE IN THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

IT COSTS ABOUT $1,100 TO GIVE WASTE IN THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

IT COSTS ABOUT $1,100 TO GIVE ONE UNIT OF BLOOD.

NOT TO BUY IT, TO TRANSFUSE ONE ONE UNIT OF BLOOD.

NOT TO BUY IT, TO TRANSFUSE ONE UNIT OF BLOOD.

>> WHEN ENGLEWOOD'S PROGRAM UNIT OF BLOOD.

>> WHEN ENGLEWOOD'S PROGRAM BEGAN IN 1994 THERE WERE FEWER >> WHEN ENGLEWOOD'S PROGRAM BEGAN IN 1994 THERE WERE FEWER THAN TEN HOSPITALS OFFERING BEGAN IN 1994 THERE WERE FEWER THAN TEN HOSPITALS OFFERING PROGRAMS FOR SURGERY WITHOUT THAN TEN HOSPITALS OFFERING PROGRAMS FOR SURGERY WITHOUT BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

PROGRAMS FOR SURGERY WITHOUT BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

TODAY THERE ARE ABOUT 150 AND BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS.

TODAY THERE ARE ABOUT 150 AND MANY MORE ARE IN DEVELOPMENT.

THERE IS MORE TO SUCCESSFUL MANY MORE ARE IN DEVELOPMENT.

THERE IS MORE TO SUCCESSFUL BLOODLESS SURGERY THAN THERE IS MORE TO SUCCESSFUL BLOODLESS SURGERY THAN PREPARATION.

BLOODLESS SURGERY THAN PREPARATION.

AT ENGLEWOOD THEY PRACTICE PREPARATION.

AT ENGLEWOOD THEY PRACTICE PRECISION SURGERY WITH MINIMAL AT ENGLEWOOD THEY PRACTICE PRECISION SURGERY WITH MINIMAL BLOOD LOSS, AND IF A PATIENT PRECISION SURGERY WITH MINIMAL BLOOD LOSS, AND IF A PATIENT LOSES BLOOD AND HAS AGREED BLOOD LOSS, AND IF A PATIENT LOSES BLOOD AND HAS AGREED BEFORE HAND, THE SURGEON USES A LOSES BLOOD AND HAS AGREED BEFORE HAND, THE SURGEON USES A TECHNOLOGY THAT RECYCLES THE BEFORE HAND, THE SURGEON USES A TECHNOLOGY THAT RECYCLES THE PATIENT'S OWN BLOOD.

TECHNOLOGY THAT RECYCLES THE PATIENT'S OWN BLOOD.

STILL THERE IS A RESISTANCE PATIENT'S OWN BLOOD.

STILL THERE IS A RESISTANCE AMONG SURGEONS TO BLOODLESS STILL THERE IS A RESISTANCE AMONG SURGEONS TO BLOODLESS SURGERY.

AMONG SURGEONS TO BLOODLESS SURGERY.

BOTH DR. STEINBERGER AND SHERRI SURGERY.

BOTH DR. STEINBERGER AND SHERRI OZAWA SIMPLY BLAME TRADITION AND BOTH DR. STEINBERGER AND SHERRI OZAWA SIMPLY BLAME TRADITION AND HABIT.

OZAWA SIMPLY BLAME TRADITION AND HABIT.

>> THE RESISTANCE IS PRIMARILY HABIT.

>> THE RESISTANCE IS PRIMARILY BEHAVIORALLY BASED.

PHYSICIANS GET ABOUT BETWEEN BEHAVIORALLY BASED.

PHYSICIANS GET ABOUT BETWEEN THREE TO SIX HOURS OF TRAINING PHYSICIANS GET ABOUT BETWEEN THREE TO SIX HOURS OF TRAINING IN TRANSFUSION SCIENCE IN THREE TO SIX HOURS OF TRAINING IN TRANSFUSION SCIENCE IN MEDICAL SCHOOL.

IN TRANSFUSION SCIENCE IN MEDICAL SCHOOL.

THEY DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT MEDICAL SCHOOL.

THEY DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT IT.

SO MOST OF BLOODLESS MEDICINE OR ABOUT IT.

SO MOST OF BLOODLESS MEDICINE OR TRANSFUSION-FREE SURGERY REALLY SO MOST OF BLOODLESS MEDICINE OR TRANSFUSION-FREE SURGERY REALLY IS EDUCATION FOR CLINICIANS IN TRANSFUSION-FREE SURGERY REALLY IS EDUCATION FOR CLINICIANS IN HOW TO HANDLE THESE SITUATIONS IS EDUCATION FOR CLINICIANS IN HOW TO HANDLE THESE SITUATIONS WITHOUT BLOOD.

HOW TO HANDLE THESE SITUATIONS WITHOUT BLOOD.

>> LATELY, DOCTORS FROM OTHER WITHOUT BLOOD.

>> LATELY, DOCTORS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE TAKEN AN INTEREST >> LATELY, DOCTORS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE TAKEN AN INTEREST IN BLOODLESS SURGERY, COUNTRIES HAVE TAKEN AN INTEREST IN BLOODLESS SURGERY, PARTICULARLY IN AFRICA.

IN BLOODLESS SURGERY, PARTICULARLY IN AFRICA.

>> THEY ARE LEARNING THE PARTICULARLY IN AFRICA.

>> THEY ARE LEARNING THE TECHNIQUES THAT WE HAVE LEARNED >> THEY ARE LEARNING THE TECHNIQUES THAT WE HAVE LEARNED FROM TAKING CARE OF THIS TECHNIQUES THAT WE HAVE LEARNED FROM TAKING CARE OF THIS SPECIFIC POPULATION TO USE IN FROM TAKING CARE OF THIS SPECIFIC POPULATION TO USE IN THEIR COUNTRIES WHERE EITHER THE SPECIFIC POPULATION TO USE IN THEIR COUNTRIES WHERE EITHER THE BLOOD SUPPLY IS UNSAFE OR THEIR COUNTRIES WHERE EITHER THE BLOOD SUPPLY IS UNSAFE OR UNAVAILABLE.

BLOOD SUPPLY IS UNSAFE OR UNAVAILABLE.

>> JUSTINE'S SURGERY WAS UNAVAILABLE.

>> JUSTINE'S SURGERY WAS SUCCESSFULLY PERFORMED ON MAY >> JUSTINE'S SURGERY WAS SUCCESSFULLY PERFORMED ON MAY 9th.

SUCCESSFULLY PERFORMED ON MAY 9th.

SHE WENT HOME TO GEORGIA TWO 9th.

SHE WENT HOME TO GEORGIA TWO DAYS LATER.

>> EVERYTHING WENT VERY WELL, NO DAYS LATER.

>> EVERYTHING WENT VERY WELL, NO PROBLEMS.

SHE'S WAKING UP FROM ANESTHESIA.

PROBLEMS.

SHE'S WAKING UP FROM ANESTHESIA.

THERE WAS HARDLY ANY BLOOD LOSS.

SHE'S WAKING UP FROM ANESTHESIA.

THERE WAS HARDLY ANY BLOOD LOSS.

DEPENDING ON HOW SHE FEELS THERE WAS HARDLY ANY BLOOD LOSS.

DEPENDING ON HOW SHE FEELS TOMORROW SHE CAN LEAVE WHEN SHE DEPENDING ON HOW SHE FEELS TOMORROW SHE CAN LEAVE WHEN SHE FEELS READY TO GO.

TOMORROW SHE CAN LEAVE WHEN SHE FEELS READY TO GO.

>> YOU DID A WONDERFUL THING.

FEELS READY TO GO.

>> YOU DID A WONDERFUL THING.

>> WELL, LET'S SEE HOW SHE DOES.

>> YOU DID A WONDERFUL THING.

>> WELL, LET'S SEE HOW SHE DOES.

>> FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS >> WELL, LET'S SEE HOW SHE DOES.

>> FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M BETTY ROLLIN IN >> FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M BETTY ROLLIN IN ENGLEWOOD, NEW JERSEY.

NEWSWEEKLY," I'M BETTY ROLLIN IN ENGLEWOOD, NEW JERSEY.

>> JUSTINE LACLAIR LEFT THE ENGLEWOOD, NEW JERSEY.

>> JUSTINE LACLAIR LEFT THE HOSPITAL TWO DAYS AFTER HER >> JUSTINE LACLAIR LEFT THE HOSPITAL TWO DAYS AFTER HER SURGERY AND SHE SAYS SHE IS HOSPITAL TWO DAYS AFTER HER SURGERY AND SHE SAYS SHE IS DOING WONDERFULLY.

>>> ON OUR CALENDAR THIS WEEK, >>> ON OUR CALENDAR THIS WEEK, JEWS AROUND THE WORLD OBSERVE >>> ON OUR CALENDAR THIS WEEK, JEWS AROUND THE WORLD OBSERVE THE SOLEMN HOLIDAY OF TISHA B'AV JEWS AROUND THE WORLD OBSERVE THE SOLEMN HOLIDAY OF TISHA B'AV BEGINNING SUNDOWN ON MONDAY.

THE SOLEMN HOLIDAY OF TISHA B'AV BEGINNING SUNDOWN ON MONDAY.

TISHA B'AV IS A DAY OF FASTING BEGINNING SUNDOWN ON MONDAY.

TISHA B'AV IS A DAY OF FASTING AND LAMENT MARKING THE TISHA B'AV IS A DAY OF FASTING AND LAMENT MARKING THE DESTRUCTION OF THE FIRST AND AND LAMENT MARKING THE DESTRUCTION OF THE FIRST AND SECOND TEMPLES IN JERUSALEM AND DESTRUCTION OF THE FIRST AND SECOND TEMPLES IN JERUSALEM AND OTHER TRAGEDIES IN JEWISH SECOND TEMPLES IN JERUSALEM AND OTHER TRAGEDIES IN JEWISH HISTORY.

OTHER TRAGEDIES IN JEWISH HISTORY.

>>> WE HAVE A STORY NOW ABOUT A HISTORY.

>>> WE HAVE A STORY NOW ABOUT A YOUNG MAN WHO IMMIGRATED TO THE >>> WE HAVE A STORY NOW ABOUT A YOUNG MAN WHO IMMIGRATED TO THE U.S. FROM LEBANON AT THE END OF YOUNG MAN WHO IMMIGRATED TO THE U.S. FROM LEBANON AT THE END OF THE 1800s AND BEGAN AN AMAZING U.S. FROM LEBANON AT THE END OF THE 1800s AND BEGAN AN AMAZING CAREER AS A POET, ESPECIALLY, A THE 1800s AND BEGAN AN AMAZING CAREER AS A POET, ESPECIALLY, A POET WHO WROTE ABOUT LOVE.

CAREER AS A POET, ESPECIALLY, A POET WHO WROTE ABOUT LOVE.

HIS NAME WAS KAHLIL GIBRAN AND, POET WHO WROTE ABOUT LOVE.

HIS NAME WAS KAHLIL GIBRAN AND, AS LUCKY SEVERSON REPORTS, HIS HIS NAME WAS KAHLIL GIBRAN AND, AS LUCKY SEVERSON REPORTS, HIS FAMOUS LITTLE BOOK "THE PROPHET" AS LUCKY SEVERSON REPORTS, HIS FAMOUS LITTLE BOOK "THE PROPHET" HAS SOLD MORE THAN 100 MILLION FAMOUS LITTLE BOOK "THE PROPHET" HAS SOLD MORE THAN 100 MILLION COPIES WORLDWIDE.

HAS SOLD MORE THAN 100 MILLION COPIES WORLDWIDE.

SOME CRITICS HAVE PANNED GIBRAN, COPIES WORLDWIDE.

SOME CRITICS HAVE PANNED GIBRAN, BUT HIS BOOKS JUST KEEP ON SOME CRITICS HAVE PANNED GIBRAN, BUT HIS BOOKS JUST KEEP ON SELLING.

BUT HIS BOOKS JUST KEEP ON SELLING.

>> WHEN MARK AND JENNIFER DRAGO SELLING.

>> WHEN MARK AND JENNIFER DRAGO DECIDED TO GET MARRIED, THEY HAD >> WHEN MARK AND JENNIFER DRAGO DECIDED TO GET MARRIED, THEY HAD BOTH DRIFTED AWAY FROM THEIR DECIDED TO GET MARRIED, THEY HAD BOTH DRIFTED AWAY FROM THEIR SEPARATE CHURCHES.

BOTH DRIFTED AWAY FROM THEIR SEPARATE CHURCHES.

HE WAS A METHODIST, JENNIFER A SEPARATE CHURCHES.

HE WAS A METHODIST, JENNIFER A LUTHERAN.

SO THEY ASKED PASTOR APRIL LUTHERAN.

SO THEY ASKED PASTOR APRIL GISMONDI OF THE SO THEY ASKED PASTOR APRIL GISMONDI OF THE NON-DENOMINATIONAL CHURCH OF GISMONDI OF THE NON-DENOMINATIONAL CHURCH OF ANCIENT WAYS TO OFFICIATE.

NON-DENOMINATIONAL CHURCH OF ANCIENT WAYS TO OFFICIATE.

>> ON THIS AREA OF LONG ISLAND, ANCIENT WAYS TO OFFICIATE.

>> ON THIS AREA OF LONG ISLAND, A LOT OF PEOPLE OF A LOT OF >> ON THIS AREA OF LONG ISLAND, A LOT OF PEOPLE OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT RELIGIONS COME A LOT OF PEOPLE OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT RELIGIONS COME TOGETHER AND AGREE THAT DIFFERENT RELIGIONS COME TOGETHER AND AGREE THAT SPIRITUALITY IS THE CORE OF THE TOGETHER AND AGREE THAT SPIRITUALITY IS THE CORE OF THE HUMAN BELIEF, NOT THE BOOK YOU SPIRITUALITY IS THE CORE OF THE HUMAN BELIEF, NOT THE BOOK YOU GOT IT FROM.

HUMAN BELIEF, NOT THE BOOK YOU GOT IT FROM.

>> AND THEN TWO AND A HALF YEARS GOT IT FROM.

>> AND THEN TWO AND A HALF YEARS LATER, WHEN THEIR DAUGHTER JULIA >> AND THEN TWO AND A HALF YEARS LATER, WHEN THEIR DAUGHTER JULIA WAS WELCOMED INTO THE WORLD IN LATER, WHEN THEIR DAUGHTER JULIA WAS WELCOMED INTO THE WORLD IN ANOTHER CEREMONY, PASTOR WAS WELCOMED INTO THE WORLD IN ANOTHER CEREMONY, PASTOR GISMONDI SPOKE THE WORDS AND ANOTHER CEREMONY, PASTOR GISMONDI SPOKE THE WORDS AND WISDOM OF ONE OF THE MOST GISMONDI SPOKE THE WORDS AND WISDOM OF ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR POETS OF ALL TIME, AND WISDOM OF ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR POETS OF ALL TIME, AND AMONG THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL -- POPULAR POETS OF ALL TIME, AND AMONG THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL -- KAHLIL GIBRAN.

AMONG THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL -- KAHLIL GIBRAN.

>> YOUR CHILDREN ARE NOT YOUR KAHLIL GIBRAN.

>> YOUR CHILDREN ARE NOT YOUR CHILDREN.

THEY ARE THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS CHILDREN.

THEY ARE THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF LIFE'S LONGING FOR ITSELF.

FOR YOU ARE THE BOW FROM WHICH OF LIFE'S LONGING FOR ITSELF.

FOR YOU ARE THE BOW FROM WHICH YOUR CHILDREN AS LIVING ARROWS FOR YOU ARE THE BOW FROM WHICH YOUR CHILDREN AS LIVING ARROWS ARE SENT FORTH.

YOUR CHILDREN AS LIVING ARROWS ARE SENT FORTH.

HE SPEAKS TO THE CORE OF WHAT ARE SENT FORTH.

HE SPEAKS TO THE CORE OF WHAT MAKES US TRULY HUMAN, THE THINGS HE SPEAKS TO THE CORE OF WHAT MAKES US TRULY HUMAN, THE THINGS THAT WE ALL STRUGGLE WITH, THE MAKES US TRULY HUMAN, THE THINGS THAT WE ALL STRUGGLE WITH, THE THINGS THAT WE ALL ENJOY, THE THAT WE ALL STRUGGLE WITH, THE THINGS THAT WE ALL ENJOY, THE LESSONS WE HAVE TO LEARN.

THINGS THAT WE ALL ENJOY, THE LESSONS WE HAVE TO LEARN.

>> HE HAS THIS METAPHOR WITH THE LESSONS WE HAVE TO LEARN.

>> HE HAS THIS METAPHOR WITH THE ARROW, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT.

>> THEY'RE OURS, BUT THEY'RE NOT ARROW, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT.

>> THEY'RE OURS, BUT THEY'RE NOT OURS TO KEEP.

LIKE WE GET TO HAVE THEM FOR OURS TO KEEP.

LIKE WE GET TO HAVE THEM FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, AND LIKE WE GET TO HAVE THEM FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, AND THEN WE HAVE TO SEND THEM OFF.

JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, AND THEN WE HAVE TO SEND THEM OFF.

>> AND IT'S SO ELOQUENT.

THEN WE HAVE TO SEND THEM OFF.

>> AND IT'S SO ELOQUENT.

IT REALLY IS.

>> AND IT'S SO ELOQUENT.

IT REALLY IS.

>> APPARENTLY MILLIONS OF IT REALLY IS.

>> APPARENTLY MILLIONS OF READERS AGREE.

KAHLIL GIBRAN IS ONE OF THE BEST READERS AGREE.

KAHLIL GIBRAN IS ONE OF THE BEST SELLING POETS OF ALL TIME, KAHLIL GIBRAN IS ONE OF THE BEST SELLING POETS OF ALL TIME, BEHIND SHAKESPEARE AND LAO-TZU, SELLING POETS OF ALL TIME, BEHIND SHAKESPEARE AND LAO-TZU, THE FOUNDER OF TAOISM.

BEHIND SHAKESPEARE AND LAO-TZU, THE FOUNDER OF TAOISM.

SUHEIL BUSHRUI HOLDS THE KAHLIL THE FOUNDER OF TAOISM.

SUHEIL BUSHRUI HOLDS THE KAHLIL GIBRAN CHAIR FOR VALUES AND SUHEIL BUSHRUI HOLDS THE KAHLIL GIBRAN CHAIR FOR VALUES AND PEACE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF GIBRAN CHAIR FOR VALUES AND PEACE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND.

PEACE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND.

>> I'M NOT SAYING THAT GIBRAN IS MARYLAND.

>> I'M NOT SAYING THAT GIBRAN IS AS GREAT AS SHAKESPEARE, BUT I'M >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT GIBRAN IS AS GREAT AS SHAKESPEARE, BUT I'M SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE A AS GREAT AS SHAKESPEARE, BUT I'M SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE A UNIVERSAL MESSAGE, GOETHE, SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE A UNIVERSAL MESSAGE, GOETHE, DANTE, SHAKESPEARE, THE GREAT UNIVERSAL MESSAGE, GOETHE, DANTE, SHAKESPEARE, THE GREAT POETS OF ALL TIME, BECAUSE OF DANTE, SHAKESPEARE, THE GREAT POETS OF ALL TIME, BECAUSE OF THEIR UNIVERSAL MESSAGE, THEY POETS OF ALL TIME, BECAUSE OF THEIR UNIVERSAL MESSAGE, THEY RESONATE WITH EVERY CULTURE, THEIR UNIVERSAL MESSAGE, THEY RESONATE WITH EVERY CULTURE, EVERY LANGUAGE AND EVERY PEOPLE.

RESONATE WITH EVERY CULTURE, EVERY LANGUAGE AND EVERY PEOPLE.

>> GIBRAN'S WIDESPREAD AND EVERY LANGUAGE AND EVERY PEOPLE.

>> GIBRAN'S WIDESPREAD AND LASTING POPULARITY HAS ALSO BEEN >> GIBRAN'S WIDESPREAD AND LASTING POPULARITY HAS ALSO BEEN GREETED WITH MUCH CRITICAL LASTING POPULARITY HAS ALSO BEEN GREETED WITH MUCH CRITICAL DERISION.

GREETED WITH MUCH CRITICAL DERISION.

AMONG THE CRITICS WHO LEAST DERISION.

AMONG THE CRITICS WHO LEAST APPRECIATE THE POET IS STEFAN AMONG THE CRITICS WHO LEAST APPRECIATE THE POET IS STEFAN KANFER.

APPRECIATE THE POET IS STEFAN KANFER.

>> HIS WORK HAS ALWAYS SEEMED TO KANFER.

>> HIS WORK HAS ALWAYS SEEMED TO ME, KAHLIL GIBRAN'S, LIKE HALVA, >> HIS WORK HAS ALWAYS SEEMED TO ME, KAHLIL GIBRAN'S, LIKE HALVA, WHICH IS A PART OF MIDDLE ME, KAHLIL GIBRAN'S, LIKE HALVA, WHICH IS A PART OF MIDDLE EASTERN CUISINE WHICH IS ALMONDS WHICH IS A PART OF MIDDLE EASTERN CUISINE WHICH IS ALMONDS AND HONEY, TO THE POINT WHERE EASTERN CUISINE WHICH IS ALMONDS AND HONEY, TO THE POINT WHERE YOU REALLY CAN'T TAKE MORE THAN AND HONEY, TO THE POINT WHERE YOU REALLY CAN'T TAKE MORE THAN A LITTLE BIT OF IT.

YOU REALLY CAN'T TAKE MORE THAN A LITTLE BIT OF IT.

AND SOMETIMES I FEEL IF YOU READ A LITTLE BIT OF IT.

AND SOMETIMES I FEEL IF YOU READ ENOUGH OF THIS KIND OF STUFF, AND SOMETIMES I FEEL IF YOU READ ENOUGH OF THIS KIND OF STUFF, YOUR APPETITE FOR REAL FOOD ENOUGH OF THIS KIND OF STUFF, YOUR APPETITE FOR REAL FOOD GOES.

YOUR APPETITE FOR REAL FOOD GOES.

>> HE GIVES NUMEROUS EXAMPLES OF GOES.

>> HE GIVES NUMEROUS EXAMPLES OF WHAT HE CALLS GIBRAN'S >> HE GIVES NUMEROUS EXAMPLES OF WHAT HE CALLS GIBRAN'S "MUZZINESS," AND PSEUDO- WHAT HE CALLS GIBRAN'S "MUZZINESS," AND PSEUDO- PARADOXES.

"MUZZINESS," AND PSEUDO- PARADOXES.

>> HERE HE IS ON MARRIAGE.

PARADOXES.

>> HERE HE IS ON MARRIAGE.

THIS, BY THE WAY, FROM A MAN WHO >> HERE HE IS ON MARRIAGE.

THIS, BY THE WAY, FROM A MAN WHO NEVER MARRIED.

"FILL EACH OTHER'S CUP, BUT NEVER MARRIED.

"FILL EACH OTHER'S CUP, BUT DRINK NOT FROM ONE CUP.

SING AND DANCE TOGETHER AND BE DRINK NOT FROM ONE CUP.

SING AND DANCE TOGETHER AND BE JOYOUS, BUT LET EACH OF YOU, SING AND DANCE TOGETHER AND BE JOYOUS, BUT LET EACH OF YOU, EACH ONE OF YOU BE ALONE EVEN AS JOYOUS, BUT LET EACH OF YOU, EACH ONE OF YOU BE ALONE EVEN AS THE STRINGS OF A LUTE ARE EACH ONE OF YOU BE ALONE EVEN AS THE STRINGS OF A LUTE ARE ALONE."

THE STRINGS OF A LUTE ARE ALONE."

>> THIS IS -- THIS IS MYSTICISM.

ALONE."

>> THIS IS -- THIS IS MYSTICISM.

THIS IS THAT OTHER LEVEL OF >> THIS IS -- THIS IS MYSTICISM.

THIS IS THAT OTHER LEVEL OF COMMUNICATING.

>> HE SAYS THAT JOY IS SORROW COMMUNICATING.

>> HE SAYS THAT JOY IS SORROW UNMASKED.

HE TALKS ABOUT HOW IF YOU'RE UNMASKED.

HE TALKS ABOUT HOW IF YOU'RE SITTING AT YOUR TABLE WITH HE TALKS ABOUT HOW IF YOU'RE SITTING AT YOUR TABLE WITH SORROW, JOY IS IN YOUR BED SITTING AT YOUR TABLE WITH SORROW, JOY IS IN YOUR BED WAITING TO AWAKEN.

SORROW, JOY IS IN YOUR BED WAITING TO AWAKEN.

>> KAHLIL GIBRAN WAS BORN IN WAITING TO AWAKEN.

>> KAHLIL GIBRAN WAS BORN IN 1883 IN NORTHERN LEBANON, AND >> KAHLIL GIBRAN WAS BORN IN 1883 IN NORTHERN LEBANON, AND GREW UP IN A POOR, MARONITE 1883 IN NORTHERN LEBANON, AND GREW UP IN A POOR, MARONITE CATHOLIC FAMILY.

GREW UP IN A POOR, MARONITE CATHOLIC FAMILY.

PRIESTS TUTORED HIM ABOUT THE CATHOLIC FAMILY.

PRIESTS TUTORED HIM ABOUT THE BIBLE, BUT HE HAD NO FORMAL PRIESTS TUTORED HIM ABOUT THE BIBLE, BUT HE HAD NO FORMAL EDUCATION.

BIBLE, BUT HE HAD NO FORMAL EDUCATION.

AFTER HIS FATHER WAS IMPRISONED EDUCATION.

AFTER HIS FATHER WAS IMPRISONED FOR EMBEZZLEMENT, HIS MOTHER AFTER HIS FATHER WAS IMPRISONED FOR EMBEZZLEMENT, HIS MOTHER MOVED THE FAMILY TO BOSTON, FOR EMBEZZLEMENT, HIS MOTHER MOVED THE FAMILY TO BOSTON, MASSACHUSSETTS.

MOVED THE FAMILY TO BOSTON, MASSACHUSSETTS.

>> HE ARRIVED WITH HIS FAMILY AS MASSACHUSSETTS.

>> HE ARRIVED WITH HIS FAMILY AS A 12-YEAR-OLD IMMIGRANT, LIVING >> HE ARRIVED WITH HIS FAMILY AS A 12-YEAR-OLD IMMIGRANT, LIVING IN THE SLUMS OF BOSTON, THE A 12-YEAR-OLD IMMIGRANT, LIVING IN THE SLUMS OF BOSTON, THE SYRIAN QUARTER.

IN THE SLUMS OF BOSTON, THE SYRIAN QUARTER.

AND BY THE TIME HE WAS 13 OR 14, SYRIAN QUARTER.

AND BY THE TIME HE WAS 13 OR 14, HE HAD ALREADY BEEN DISCOVERED.

>> LEISL SCHILLINGER IS A NEW HE HAD ALREADY BEEN DISCOVERED.

>> LEISL SCHILLINGER IS A NEW YORK LITERARY CRITIC, WHO >> LEISL SCHILLINGER IS A NEW YORK LITERARY CRITIC, WHO CONTRIBUTES TO SEVERAL MAJOR YORK LITERARY CRITIC, WHO CONTRIBUTES TO SEVERAL MAJOR PUBLICATIONS.

CONTRIBUTES TO SEVERAL MAJOR PUBLICATIONS.

>> HE HAS A BEAUTIFUL FACE AND PUBLICATIONS.

>> HE HAS A BEAUTIFUL FACE AND HE IS SAID TO HAVE HAD AN >> HE HAS A BEAUTIFUL FACE AND HE IS SAID TO HAVE HAD AN ARRESTING AND MYSTICAL WAY ABOUT HE IS SAID TO HAVE HAD AN ARRESTING AND MYSTICAL WAY ABOUT HIM.

ARRESTING AND MYSTICAL WAY ABOUT HIM.

PEOPLE FELT THEY WERE TALKING TO HIM.

PEOPLE FELT THEY WERE TALKING TO A PROPHET.

AND HE WENT PRETTY QUICKLY FROM A PROPHET.

AND HE WENT PRETTY QUICKLY FROM BEING THIS TEENAGER TO HAVING AND HE WENT PRETTY QUICKLY FROM BEING THIS TEENAGER TO HAVING HIS OWN VERSE PUBLISHED IN BEING THIS TEENAGER TO HAVING HIS OWN VERSE PUBLISHED IN VARIOUS QUARTERLIES.

HIS OWN VERSE PUBLISHED IN VARIOUS QUARTERLIES.

>> GIBRAN HAD HELP ALONG THE VARIOUS QUARTERLIES.

>> GIBRAN HAD HELP ALONG THE WAY, AS HE GREW INTO ADULTHOOD, >> GIBRAN HAD HELP ALONG THE WAY, AS HE GREW INTO ADULTHOOD, USUALLY FROM WOMEN.

WAY, AS HE GREW INTO ADULTHOOD, USUALLY FROM WOMEN.

>> IT'S TRUE THAT HE ADMIRED USUALLY FROM WOMEN.

>> IT'S TRUE THAT HE ADMIRED WOMEN AND MANY OF THEM ADMIRED >> IT'S TRUE THAT HE ADMIRED WOMEN AND MANY OF THEM ADMIRED HIM.

WOMEN AND MANY OF THEM ADMIRED HIM.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HANDSOME MAN HIM.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HANDSOME MAN WHO SPEAKS OF LOVE, WHO SPEAKS YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HANDSOME MAN WHO SPEAKS OF LOVE, WHO SPEAKS OF INDIVIDUALITY, WHO RESPECTS WHO SPEAKS OF LOVE, WHO SPEAKS OF INDIVIDUALITY, WHO RESPECTS WOMEN IN HIS WRITING AS HUMANS.

OF INDIVIDUALITY, WHO RESPECTS WOMEN IN HIS WRITING AS HUMANS.

>> NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT WOMEN IN HIS WRITING AS HUMANS.

>> NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT INFLUENCE OF COURSE CAME FROM >> NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT INFLUENCE OF COURSE CAME FROM MARY HASKELL, A SCHOOLMISTRESS INFLUENCE OF COURSE CAME FROM MARY HASKELL, A SCHOOLMISTRESS TEN YEARS HIS SENIOR, WHO MARY HASKELL, A SCHOOLMISTRESS TEN YEARS HIS SENIOR, WHO DETECTED IN THIS YOUNG MAN TEN YEARS HIS SENIOR, WHO DETECTED IN THIS YOUNG MAN SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL.

DETECTED IN THIS YOUNG MAN SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL.

SO SHE ARRANGED FOR HIM TO GO TO SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL.

SO SHE ARRANGED FOR HIM TO GO TO PARIS.

SHE FUNDED HIM.

PARIS.

SHE FUNDED HIM.

>> SHE HAD ENORMOUS FAITH IN SHE FUNDED HIM.

>> SHE HAD ENORMOUS FAITH IN HIM.

SHE VERY NEARLY MARRIED HIM, BUT HIM.

SHE VERY NEARLY MARRIED HIM, BUT DECIDED THAT AT THE TIME IT SHE VERY NEARLY MARRIED HIM, BUT DECIDED THAT AT THE TIME IT WOULD HAVE HURT HER SOCIAL DECIDED THAT AT THE TIME IT WOULD HAVE HURT HER SOCIAL STANDING TOO MUCH BECAUSE AT WOULD HAVE HURT HER SOCIAL STANDING TOO MUCH BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN STANDING TOO MUCH BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED A MIXED MARRIAGE.

THAT TIME, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED A MIXED MARRIAGE.

>> BY FAR, GIBRAN'S MOST FAMOUS CONSIDERED A MIXED MARRIAGE.

>> BY FAR, GIBRAN'S MOST FAMOUS WORK WAS "THE PROPHET," A SHORT >> BY FAR, GIBRAN'S MOST FAMOUS WORK WAS "THE PROPHET," A SHORT 20,000-WORD COLLECTION OF PROSE WORK WAS "THE PROPHET," A SHORT 20,000-WORD COLLECTION OF PROSE AND POETIC ESSAYS, WRITTEN WHEN 20,000-WORD COLLECTION OF PROSE AND POETIC ESSAYS, WRITTEN WHEN HE WAS IN HIS 20s AND 30s AND AND POETIC ESSAYS, WRITTEN WHEN HE WAS IN HIS 20s AND 30s AND THEN LIVING IN NEW YORK CITY.

HE WAS IN HIS 20s AND 30s AND THEN LIVING IN NEW YORK CITY.

HE WOULD COMPOSE POEMS SITTING THEN LIVING IN NEW YORK CITY.

HE WOULD COMPOSE POEMS SITTING ON A BENCH LOOKING OUT AT THE HE WOULD COMPOSE POEMS SITTING ON A BENCH LOOKING OUT AT THE STATUE OF LIBERTY.

ON A BENCH LOOKING OUT AT THE STATUE OF LIBERTY.

>> THE STATUE OF LIBERTY, STATUE OF LIBERTY.

>> THE STATUE OF LIBERTY, AMERICA ITSELF, OF COURSE HAS >> THE STATUE OF LIBERTY, AMERICA ITSELF, OF COURSE HAS ITS SHORTCOMINGS AS WELL, BUT HE AMERICA ITSELF, OF COURSE HAS ITS SHORTCOMINGS AS WELL, BUT HE SAW IT AS THE HOPE FOR THE ITS SHORTCOMINGS AS WELL, BUT HE SAW IT AS THE HOPE FOR THE WORLD.

SAW IT AS THE HOPE FOR THE WORLD.

>> AND HE EXPRESSED THIS HOPEFUL WORLD.

>> AND HE EXPRESSED THIS HOPEFUL ATTITUDE IN BOTH FLUENT ENGLISH >> AND HE EXPRESSED THIS HOPEFUL ATTITUDE IN BOTH FLUENT ENGLISH AND ARABIC.

ATTITUDE IN BOTH FLUENT ENGLISH AND ARABIC.

"THE PROPHET" HAS BEEN AND ARABIC.

"THE PROPHET" HAS BEEN TRANSLATED INTO OVER "THE PROPHET" HAS BEEN TRANSLATED INTO OVER 40 LANGUAGES.

TRANSLATED INTO OVER 40 LANGUAGES.

>> IT UPLIFTS MY SOUL AND 40 LANGUAGES.

>> IT UPLIFTS MY SOUL AND TEACHES ME SOMETHING TO THINK >> IT UPLIFTS MY SOUL AND TEACHES ME SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, WELL, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH TEACHES ME SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT, WELL, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.

ABOUT, WELL, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.

YES, THERE HAS BEEN ENORMOUS FOR ME.

YES, THERE HAS BEEN ENORMOUS CRITICISM SOMETIMES, AND VERY YES, THERE HAS BEEN ENORMOUS CRITICISM SOMETIMES, AND VERY BITTER CRITICISM AGAINST HIM, CRITICISM SOMETIMES, AND VERY BITTER CRITICISM AGAINST HIM, BUT THE QUESTION HERE IS WHICH BITTER CRITICISM AGAINST HIM, BUT THE QUESTION HERE IS WHICH OF THE GREAT POETS, OR FIGURES BUT THE QUESTION HERE IS WHICH OF THE GREAT POETS, OR FIGURES IN HISTORY, HAS NOT BEEN SUBJECT OF THE GREAT POETS, OR FIGURES IN HISTORY, HAS NOT BEEN SUBJECT TO THE SAME DEGREE OF CRITICISM.

IN HISTORY, HAS NOT BEEN SUBJECT TO THE SAME DEGREE OF CRITICISM.

>> BUT KANFER DOESN'T CONSIDER TO THE SAME DEGREE OF CRITICISM.

>> BUT KANFER DOESN'T CONSIDER GIBRAN ONE OF THE GREAT POETS.

>> AND HERE HE IS ON DEATH.

GIBRAN ONE OF THE GREAT POETS.

>> AND HERE HE IS ON DEATH.

"WHEN THE EARTH SHALL CLAIM YOUR >> AND HERE HE IS ON DEATH.

"WHEN THE EARTH SHALL CLAIM YOUR LIMBS, THEN YOU SHALL TRULY "WHEN THE EARTH SHALL CLAIM YOUR LIMBS, THEN YOU SHALL TRULY DANCE."

LIMBS, THEN YOU SHALL TRULY DANCE."

WELL, IS THIS THE AFTERLIFE?

DANCE."

WELL, IS THIS THE AFTERLIFE?

IS IT CHRISTIANITY?

WELL, IS THIS THE AFTERLIFE?

IS IT CHRISTIANITY?

IS IT BUDDHISM?

IS IT CHRISTIANITY?

IS IT BUDDHISM?

HE USES THIS KIND OF INDISTINCT IS IT BUDDHISM?

HE USES THIS KIND OF INDISTINCT MANNER OF SPEAKING.

>> PEOPLE WHO READ HIS POEMS CAN MANNER OF SPEAKING.

>> PEOPLE WHO READ HIS POEMS CAN FIND IN THEM RESONANCES OF >> PEOPLE WHO READ HIS POEMS CAN FIND IN THEM RESONANCES OF SUFI-ISLAM.

FIND IN THEM RESONANCES OF SUFI-ISLAM.

THEY CAN FIND RESONANCE OF HINDU SUFI-ISLAM.

THEY CAN FIND RESONANCE OF HINDU LOVE POEMS AND LIFE POEMS.

THEY CAN FIND RESONANCES THAT LOVE POEMS AND LIFE POEMS.

THEY CAN FIND RESONANCES THAT SOUND LIKE, THAT ARE BIBLICAL AS THEY CAN FIND RESONANCES THAT SOUND LIKE, THAT ARE BIBLICAL AS IN FROM THE KING JAMES BIBLE.

SOUND LIKE, THAT ARE BIBLICAL AS IN FROM THE KING JAMES BIBLE.

>> WHEN "THE PROPHET" WAS FIRST IN FROM THE KING JAMES BIBLE.

>> WHEN "THE PROPHET" WAS FIRST PUBLISHED IN 1923, IT WAS NOT AN >> WHEN "THE PROPHET" WAS FIRST PUBLISHED IN 1923, IT WAS NOT AN IMMEDIATE OR COMPLETE SUCCESS.

PUBLISHED IN 1923, IT WAS NOT AN IMMEDIATE OR COMPLETE SUCCESS.

CRITICS PANNED IT, BUT THE IMMEDIATE OR COMPLETE SUCCESS.

CRITICS PANNED IT, BUT THE PUBLIC BOUGHT IT.

THEN SALES FLAGGED UNTIL THE PUBLIC BOUGHT IT.

THEN SALES FLAGGED UNTIL THE VIETNAM ERA.

>> THERE WAS THE VIETNAM WAR, VIETNAM ERA.

>> THERE WAS THE VIETNAM WAR, THE DISAPPOINTMENT OF THE YOUTH >> THERE WAS THE VIETNAM WAR, THE DISAPPOINTMENT OF THE YOUTH OF AMERICA.

THE DISAPPOINTMENT OF THE YOUTH OF AMERICA.

WHAT COULD TAKE PLACE TO HELP OF AMERICA.

WHAT COULD TAKE PLACE TO HELP FIND THE MEANING IN LIFE?

GIBRAN.

FIND THE MEANING IN LIFE?

GIBRAN.

"THE ONLY THING YOU NEED IS GIBRAN.

"THE ONLY THING YOU NEED IS LOVE."

THIS IS WHAT GIBRAN IS SAYING, LOVE."

THIS IS WHAT GIBRAN IS SAYING, BUT IT IS NOT SEXUAL LOVE THAT THIS IS WHAT GIBRAN IS SAYING, BUT IT IS NOT SEXUAL LOVE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

BUT IT IS NOT SEXUAL LOVE THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

HE'S TALKING ABOUT LOVING HUMAN HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

HE'S TALKING ABOUT LOVING HUMAN BEINGS, LOVING HUMANITY.

YES, HE FILLED THE GAP THAT WAS BEINGS, LOVING HUMANITY.

YES, HE FILLED THE GAP THAT WAS NECESSARY TO BE FILLED.

IT WAS A SPIRITUAL GAP.

NECESSARY TO BE FILLED.

IT WAS A SPIRITUAL GAP.

>> A BUILDING IN LOWER MANHATTAN IT WAS A SPIRITUAL GAP.

>> A BUILDING IN LOWER MANHATTAN THAT ONCE WAS GIBRAN'S HOME AND >> A BUILDING IN LOWER MANHATTAN THAT ONCE WAS GIBRAN'S HOME AND STUDIO.

THAT ONCE WAS GIBRAN'S HOME AND STUDIO.

TODAY IT'S A PLACE OF PILGRIMAGE STUDIO.

TODAY IT'S A PLACE OF PILGRIMAGE FOR THOSE WHO FEEL HIS WORDS TODAY IT'S A PLACE OF PILGRIMAGE FOR THOSE WHO FEEL HIS WORDS STILL SPEAK TO THEM.

FOR THOSE WHO FEEL HIS WORDS STILL SPEAK TO THEM.

BUT REVERENCE IS RELATIVELY RARE STILL SPEAK TO THEM.

BUT REVERENCE IS RELATIVELY RARE AMONG TODAY'S LITERARY ELITE.

AFTER LEISL SCHILLINGER'S 7c!FRF AMONG TODAY'S LITERARY ELITE.

AFTER LEISL SCHILLINGER'S 7c!FRF HIS FAMILY DESCENDANTS WROTE HER AFTER LEISL SCHILLINGER'S 7c!FRF HIS FAMILY DESCENDANTS WROTE HER EXPRESSING SURPRISE THAT SHE HAD HIS FAMILY DESCENDANTS WROTE HER EXPRESSING SURPRISE THAT SHE HAD TREATED GIBRAN SO EXPRESSING SURPRISE THAT SHE HAD TREATED GIBRAN SO "UNSCORNFULLY."

TREATED GIBRAN SO "UNSCORNFULLY."

SHE SAYS HE DOESN'T DESERVE "UNSCORNFULLY."

SHE SAYS HE DOESN'T DESERVE SCORN.

>> HE HAS EXISTED AS A BRIDGE SCORN.

>> HE HAS EXISTED AS A BRIDGE BETWEEN THE MIDDLE EAST AND >> HE HAS EXISTED AS A BRIDGE BETWEEN THE MIDDLE EAST AND AMERICA AND THE WESTERN WORLD, A BETWEEN THE MIDDLE EAST AND AMERICA AND THE WESTERN WORLD, A BRIDGE BETWEEN CHRISTIANITY AND AMERICA AND THE WESTERN WORLD, A BRIDGE BETWEEN CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM TO HELP PEOPLE AROUND THE BRIDGE BETWEEN CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM TO HELP PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD TO FEEL THEIR COMMONALITY.

ISLAM TO HELP PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD TO FEEL THEIR COMMONALITY.

>> KAHLIL GIBRAN DIED WHEN HE WORLD TO FEEL THEIR COMMONALITY.

>> KAHLIL GIBRAN DIED WHEN HE WAS 48, IN 1931.

TO DATE, IT'S ESTIMATED THAT WAS 48, IN 1931.

TO DATE, IT'S ESTIMATED THAT "THE PROPHET" HAS SOLD MORE THAN TO DATE, IT'S ESTIMATED THAT "THE PROPHET" HAS SOLD MORE THAN 100 MILLION BOOKS WORLDWIDE, "THE PROPHET" HAS SOLD MORE THAN 100 MILLION BOOKS WORLDWIDE, 9 MILLION IN THE U.S. WHERE IT'S 100 MILLION BOOKS WORLDWIDE, 9 MILLION IN THE U.S. WHERE IT'S NEVER GONE OUT OF PRINT.

9 MILLION IN THE U.S. WHERE IT'S NEVER GONE OUT OF PRINT.

"RELIGION AND ETHICS NEVER GONE OUT OF PRINT.

"RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M LUCKY SEVERSON.

>>> FINALLY, IN COLOMBIA, IN NEWSWEEKLY," I'M LUCKY SEVERSON.

>>> FINALLY, IN COLOMBIA, IN SOUTH AMERICA, THERE IS A >>> FINALLY, IN COLOMBIA, IN SOUTH AMERICA, THERE IS A 47-YEAR-OLD PRIEST NAMED SOUTH AMERICA, THERE IS A 47-YEAR-OLD PRIEST NAMED HERNANDO FAYID.

47-YEAR-OLD PRIEST NAMED HERNANDO FAYID.

LAST YEAR, HIS FOUR BROTHERS HERNANDO FAYID.

LAST YEAR, HIS FOUR BROTHERS GAVE HIM A WHITE MERCEDES-BENZ LAST YEAR, HIS FOUR BROTHERS GAVE HIM A WHITE MERCEDES-BENZ E200 CONVERTIBLE.

GAVE HIM A WHITE MERCEDES-BENZ E200 CONVERTIBLE.

LAST WEEKEND, AT THE VATICAN, E200 CONVERTIBLE.

LAST WEEKEND, AT THE VATICAN, POPE FRANCIS SAID IT HURTS HIS LAST WEEKEND, AT THE VATICAN, POPE FRANCIS SAID IT HURTS HIS HEART WHEN HE SEES A PRIEST WITH POPE FRANCIS SAID IT HURTS HIS HEART WHEN HE SEES A PRIEST WITH THE LATEST MODEL CAR.

HEART WHEN HE SEES A PRIEST WITH THE LATEST MODEL CAR.

TAKE A MORE HUMBLE ONE, HE SAID, THE LATEST MODEL CAR.

TAKE A MORE HUMBLE ONE, HE SAID, AND DEDICATE THE SAVINGS TO THE TAKE A MORE HUMBLE ONE, HE SAID, AND DEDICATE THE SAVINGS TO THE POOR.

AND DEDICATE THE SAVINGS TO THE POOR.

BACK IN COLOMBIA, FATHER POOR.

BACK IN COLOMBIA, FATHER HERNANDEZ APPARENTLY HEARD THE BACK IN COLOMBIA, FATHER HERNANDEZ APPARENTLY HEARD THE MESSAGE, PERHAPS SORROWFULLY.

HERNANDEZ APPARENTLY HEARD THE MESSAGE, PERHAPS SORROWFULLY.

WITH WHAT MUST HAVE BEEN MESSAGE, PERHAPS SORROWFULLY.

WITH WHAT MUST HAVE BEEN SACRIFICIAL OBEDIENCE HE WITH WHAT MUST HAVE BEEN SACRIFICIAL OBEDIENCE HE ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK THAT HE WILL SACRIFICIAL OBEDIENCE HE ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK THAT HE WILL SELL HIS MERCEDES.

ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK THAT HE WILL SELL HIS MERCEDES.

>>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

SELL HIS MERCEDES.

>>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

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>>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

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