>> THIS WEEK ON ITO THE CONTRARY," FIRST, PLANNED PARENTHOOD DEFUNDING MOVEMENT.
BEHIND THE HEADLINES, WHY THE RATE OF SWIM IN FEDERAL AND STATE PRISONS IS GROWING.
HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.
WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.
UP FIRST, DEFUNDING PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
A GROUP OF 28 REPUBLICAN HOUSE MEMBERS - ALL MEN - ARE THREATENING A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN UNLESS CONGRESS DEFUNDS PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
REPUBLICANS HELD CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS WITH TESTIMONY THIS WEEK FROM TWO PEOPLE WHO SAID THEY WERE BORN AFTER THEIR MOTHERS HAD FAILED ABORTIONS.
BUT, NO PLANNED PARENTHOOD OFFICIALS WERE INVITED.
THIS ANTI-PLANNED PARENTHOOD SURGE IS NOT SUPPORTED BY ALL REPUBLICANS.
MANY FEAR IF THE HARD RIGHT SUCCEEDS IN SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT AGAIN, THE PARTY WILL LOOK BAD AND LOSE CRITICAL SUPPORT FROM MODERATES AND WOMEN.
THE GOVERNMENT'S FISCAL YEAR ENDS AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.
THIS SURGE WAS DRIVEN BY THE SECRETLY-FILMED, HEAVILY EDITED VIDEOS WHICH REPUBLICANS SAY SHOW PLANNED PARENTHOOD INVOLVED IN SELLING FETAL TISSUE.
PLANNED PARENTHOOD SAYS THE TISSUE WAS DONATED LEGALLY FOR MEDICAL RESEARCH TO FIND CURES FOR CRITICAL AILMENTS SUCH AS CANCER AND PARKINSON'S DISEASE.
>> CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON AS YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ALL OF US HERE, A THIRD OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD'S FUNDING COMES FROM THE GOVERNMENT ALTHOUGH OF THAT GOVERNMENT FUNDING GOES FOR ABORTION, GOES FOR THINGS LIKE CERVICAL CANCER SCREENINGS.
WILL THIS SURGE SUCCEED?
>> WELL, BONNIE, THE ANNUAL DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD CARNIVAL HAS BEGUN.
IT IS A LITTLE MORE SERIOUS THIS TIME BUT IT WILL NOT SUCCEED.
>> I THINK THAT BONNIE, IF WE WERE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT FUNDING ORGANIZATIONS IN CLINICS THAT CAN HELP WOMEN, THERE IS A MUCH BETTER WAY TO DO IT THAN GIVING THE DOLLARS TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND THAT'S WHAT WE ALL TO BE DISCUSSING.
>> I WOULD SAY THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
IT IS SORT OF LIKE DEFUNDING PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS THE NEW PARTISAN POLITIC.
THIS IS MORE PRE-POLITICAL SEASON SABRE RATTLING.
>> I SAY NOT RIGHT NOW THEY WON'T SUCCEED BUT DOWN THE ROAD THERE WILL BE SOME COMPROMISE MADE ON THIS.
IN TERMS OF FUNDING BECAUSE IT IS A GROWING MOVEMENT ABOUT TRYING TO KEEP FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS FROM THINGS WE SAW IN THE VIDEOS.
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, WHY IS IT THAT -- AND I'M CURIOUS THAT ALL 28 OF THESE REPRESENTATIVES ARE MALE?
BECAUSE, AND I'LL SAY THIS BECAUSE, THE ANTI-ABORTION FORCES HAVE GOTTEN VERY SMART ABOUT FINDING WOMEN TO RUN THEIR ORGANIZATIONS SO IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WOMEN SUPPORT THEM, BUT, WHY CAN'T THEY -- THERE ARE PLENTY OF CONSERVATIVE WOMEN IN THE HOUSE.
WHERE ARE THEY?
>> AND THERE IS PLENTY OF WOMEN WHO SUPPORT PRO LIFE ORGANIZATIONS SO THAT THESE ARE NOT FRONT PEOPLE THAT ARE HEADS OF THEM.
I THINK YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE MORE WOMEN SIGN ON.
ON HILL THIS WEEK, FROM MISSOURI, A REPUBLICAN WOMAN, COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MORE VOCAL IN HER BELIEF THAT PLANNED PARENTHOOD OUGHT TO BE DEFUNDED AND MY GUESS IS SHE'LL BE FOCAL ON THE FLOOR AND SIGN ON TO LETTERS AND LEGISLATION.
>> WHY ISN'T SHE UNTIL NOW?
>> THEY GOT BACK.
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT, MY GUESS IS THAT YOU'LL HAVE A LOT MORE.
>> THIS IS NOT A NEW ISSUE.
>> IT IS NOT A NEW ISSUE BUT CONGRESS HAS BEEN OUT AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOW THEY ARE TAKING UP AND THINK YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF REPUBLICAN WOMEN COME OUT AND SAY THEY ARE OPPOSED TO FUNDING FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS THE -- >> YOU'RE TOUCHING ON SOMETHING REALLY IMPORTANT.
THE REPUBLICANS HAVE THE PROBLEM IF THEY WANT TO GET THEIR MESSAGE OUT, THEY LINE THEMSELVES WITHOUT ONE SINGLE FEMALE.
WHY DON'T THEY SAY THIS IS NOT GOING TO LOOK FOR GOOD FOR US.
IT FEEDS INTO THIS REALLY IMPORTANT LINE THAT THE OPPONENTS HAVE WHICH IS THAT MEN ARE TRYING TO CONTROL WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS.
IT WORKS IN ELECTION YEAR, I KNOW FROM TALKING TO VOTERS THEY ARE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT THAT WHEN THEY TRY TO PICK A CANDIDATE.
AND I THINK IT HURT MITT ROMNEY BACK WHEN HE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
WOMEN WERE SAYING I DON'T WANT TO ELECT HIM, WILL HE TRY TO TAKE AWAY MY CONTROL.
OF COURSE HE WASN'T GOING TO DO THAT BUT IT IS THE DRUM BEAT THE OPPONENTS OF REPUBLICANS -- BUT IT WORKS.
>> MAKE NO MISTAKE: THE REPUBLICAN WOMEN ARE RIGHT THERE.
STRATEGICALLY THEY MADE A MISTAKE.
EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK, YOU NAME IT.
THEY STICK WITH THE MEN.
THEY ARE VERY OFTEN, THEY MISS EXTRAORDINARY OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE SOME FORWARD WITH INDEPENDENT WOMEN WITHOUT HAVING A VOICE OF THEIR OWN AND THEY HAVE VIRTUALLY NO VOICE.
>> BUT.
>> THEY ARE ONE OF THE BOYS.
>> YOU COULDN'T ASK FOR A BETTER CANARY IN THE COAL MINE OPTIC, RIGHT?
IF WE LOOK AT AGAIN I'LL STAND ON MY SOAP FOX A SECOND.
WE HAD THIS GRADUAL INCREASE OF DEMOCRAT WOMEN REPRESENTING NEWS CORN AN EQUAL AND VERY, VERY DISASTROUS DECLINE OF REPUBLICAN WOMEN REPRESENTING US.
SO NOW SORT OF 18% FLAT LINE NUMBER WE'VE GOT, IS LARGELY DEMOCRATIC.
THAT IS A PROBLEM.
WE NEED MORE REPUBLICAN WOMEN, CONSERVATIVE, MODERATE AND IN BETWEEN.
SO, IN TRUTH I THINK THIS IS A REAL CANARY IN THE COAL MINE.
WE HAVE A UNIQUE PAUSETY OF CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN WOMEN, PERIOD.
REPRESENTING US.
AND SO, I THINK THAT, I AGREE WITH YOU, SUSAN.
THIS IS A STRATEGIC MISTAKE ON THE PART OF REPUBLICANS.
>> BUT MY POINT IS THIS: IF AS SHE POINTED OUT, THERE ARE REPUBLICAN WOMEN WHO ARE -- >> GENEVIEVE.
>> I LOVE THAT NAME.
>> THEY WANT TO DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD BUT THEY ARE NOT JOINING WITH THE GUYS IN THIS MOVEMENT.
BECAUSE -- >> IS IT BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY'LL LOSE?
>> WOMEN VOTES?
>> I'M SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH REPUBLICAN WOMEN TO START WITH.
THEY HAVE TO KEEP THEIR POWDER DRY AND PICK THEIR ISSUES.
AND CONGRESSWOMAN, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE HAM HANDEDNESS WHEN IT COMES TO THE OPTICS OF THIS IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ITSELF.
NOW INTENTIONAL, BUT, IT IS A MISTAKE.
IT IS A MISTAKE.
>> WELL, STRATEGICALLY I DON'T THINK THAT THEY GET IT.
I MEAN THERE IS A FEW WHO DO BUT I THINK THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE QUITE CHALLENGED.
YOU GO BACK TO THE PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN, I'LL NEVER FORGET GEORGE BUSH SIGNING LA AND EVERYBODY STANDING BEHIND HIM WAS A GUY.
A WHITE GUY.
AND WE WERE LIKE WHO?
CHARGE OF THIS AND IT IS FRUSTRATING FRANKLY.
THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING REALLY TO ME NOT THE DISCUSSION THAT WE OUGHT TO BE HAVING.
WE OUGHT TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUE OF WHAT PLANNED PARENTHOOD HAS BEEN DOING AND HOW TAX DOLLARS ARE -- >> WHAT ABOUT THE DISCUSSION THAT -- >> WOMEN FOR OR AGAINST.
AND IT IS LIKE, WOMEN WITH THOSE -- >> WHAT ABOUT THE DISCUSSION THAT MITCH McCONNELL VERY CONSERVATIVE SENATE MA'AMITY LEADER, FROM KENTUCKY, IS HAVING WHICH IS GUYS, DON'T DO THIS, WE DON'T WANT TO SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT AGAIN.
>> >> THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE REPUBLICAN WOMEN ARE.
TED CRUZ IS OVER IN THE SENATE SAYING LET'S SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT OVER PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
NOW, THE WOMEN WILL BE THERE WHEN IT COME IT IS THE VOTE BUT THIS IS NOT THIS JUST ABOUT WOMEN.
THIS IS COMING ON TO AN ELECTION YEAR, A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR AT THAT.
THIS IS ALSO ABOUT SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT AND THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT WHO WE COULD BLAME BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONE THAT ISSUED THE THREAT.
>> AND IF I COULD POINT OUT IT WAS THE WOMEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE THAT TURPED THAT SITUATION AROUND LAST TIME.
THEY GOT TOGETHER AND SAID, BOY, KNOCK OFF THE FIFTH GRADE SHENANIGANS AND LET'S GET THIS PASSED.
>> WE'RE COMING UP AGAINST THE FUNDING DEADLINE AND I THINK IT IS REALLY BAD POLITICS FOR REPUBLICANS TO THINK THAT THERE TO WAY TO COME OUT AND SAY, WE'LL FUND THE GOVERNMENT, DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND LET THE PRESIDENT SAY I'LL SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING ELSE IN WASHINGTON, I'LL SHUT DOWN SENDING OUT SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS, I WON'T FUND OUR MILITARY BECAUSE I'M SO BEHOLDEN TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD ESPECIALLY WHEN REPUBLICANS -- THEY DON'T WANT TO RID OF THE DOLLAR.
THEY WANT TO GIVE THEM TO OTHER FEDERAL QUALIFIED CLINICS THAT SERVE MORE WOMEN THAN PLANNED PARENTHOOD.
>> IF YOU COULD SELL TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA DID, YOU WOULD BE THE RICHEST PR PERSON IN WASHINGTON, D.C. >> IF THEY CAME OUT AND -- IF THEY CAME OUT AND SAID IT CORRECTLY, WHICH IS, WE WANT TO FUND, DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE GETS DEFUNDED OR EVERYTHING ELSE GETS FUNDED.
WHAT'S THE PRESIDENT SAY?
>> OR WHAT?
>> THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE SHUT DOWN.
>> THEY HAVE USED THE WORD.
>> IT IS A MISTAKE.
>> BUT NOW -- >> THEY USED THE WORD BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY MEAN.
HE WHO SHUTS DOWN, SHE WHO SHUTS DOWN THE GOVERNMENT GETS THE BLAME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES REPUBLICANS -- >> I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES REPUBLICANS HAVE TO TAKE THE BLAME FOR SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT TO GET THAT STRATEGIC POINT AND THEY STILL DON'T GET IT.
AND TED CRUZ HAS ALREADY SAID IT.
SO, YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN TO HIM ABOUT A MONTH AGO.
>> AS SOME MIGHT SAY, DESPITE ALL REPUBLICANS KNOWING THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA, THE WAR ON WOMEN SEEMS TO BE CONTINUING THE.
LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK, PLEASE.
FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER.
FROM PLANNED PARENTHOOD TO A QUESTION OF SEXISM.
>> DONALD TRUMP SAYS HE NEVER MEANT CARLY FIORINA'S LOOKS MAKE HER UNEVENTABLE.
THAT'S HIS RESPONSE TO CONTROVERSY OVER A ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE QUOTE THIS WEEK.
THE ACTUAL QUOTE IS "LOOK AT THAT FACE: WOULD NIP VOTE FOR THAT?
CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT, THE FACE OF OUR NEXT PRESIDENT?
FIORINA SAID SHE WON'T SPEND MY TIME WONDERING WHAT TRUMP MEANT BUT HILLARY CLINTON WHO HAS BEEN LESSING GROWN TO BERNIE SANDERS SLADE WOULD LOVE TO DEGATE UP WITH PARTICULAR CANDIDATE WHO JUST SEEMS TO DELIGHT IN INSULTING WOMEN.
WITH CLINTON'S DROP THERE IN THE POLLS, WE'RE WONDERING HOW DEEP IS SEXISM IN AMERICAN POLITICS AND SOCIETY TODAY.
>> WE'LL GET TO THE PART ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND HIS REMARKS IN A MINUTE.
BUT, AS YOU HAVE FREQUENTLY SAID TO ME, IS IT -- IS SEXISM JUST STILL COMPLETELY DEEPLY ROOTED IN AMERICAN CULTURE AND SOCIETY?
>> IT IS THE NEM NUMBER ONE REASON WE'RE RANKED 97TH BEHIND CUBA AND AFGHANISTAN.
AND, IN MY UPCOMING BOOK, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THIS BUT WHEN I RAN FOR CONGRESS MYSELF IN 2008, AND MY LOCAL TRY PAPER ON THE FRONT OF THE PAPER, SO MY CHILDREN COULD SEE IT EVERY DAY WHEN I LANDED ON THE DOORSTEP, THE QUOTE, SAMMY BENNETT IS A PHONY POLITICAL, WH ASTERISK, WHO GIVES GOOD -- HEA AS ERIC, EVEN HER ASTERISK IS MADE OF PLASTIC.
AND, EVEN FU ASKERRISTIC MOTHER TERESA WOULD AGREE THAT HER -- IS MADE OF PLASTICKEN AND, I WAS LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
I HAVE BEEN A CORPORATE EXECUTIVE.
I THOUGHT THAT I HAD SEEN EVERYTHING.
AND TURNS OUT I HAD NOT SEEN ANYTHING IN THE WILD WORLD OF AMERICAN POLITICS.
SO, WHEN I CAME TO WASHINGTON, WE DID THIS RESEARCH CALLED NAME IT, CHANGE IT.
GLORIA STEINEM NAMED IT FOR US AND HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE RESEARCH: WOMEN'S APPEARANCE IS TALKED ABOUT ALL THE TIME WHEN THEY RUN FOR OFFICE.
AND AS SOON US A START TALKING ABOUT THEIR APPEARANCE, THEY DROP ELECTORALLY LIKE A STONE BY 12 POINTS.
BOOM, GAME OVER.
BUT AS LONG AS THE WOMAN RESPONDS, SHE GAINS ALL OF THE LOST VOTES SO HERE IS WHERE CARLY FIORINA IS MAKING A TRAGIC MAKE.
AND I'M A BIG ADMIRER OF HER.
FORTUNE 20, FIRST WOMAN TO BREAK CEILING AND VERY COMPETENT.
BUT SHE SHOULD BE SAYING THAT IS SEXIST AND WOULD YOU SAY THAT TO ANY MAN AND AS SOON AS SHE DOES THAT, SHE REGAINS ALL OF THE VOTES.
HAD ILLRY CLINTON HAD A BIG TARGET ON HER BACK EVER SHINS ENTERED POLITICS POLITICS AND SHE ALSO HAS NOT HANDLED THIS.
>>Y?
WHEN I RAN FOR CONGRESS, ALL THE NATIONAL TRACKERS FOLLOWING SAID SAM, DON'T RESPOND TO THAT.
YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO AMPLIFY IT TURNS OUT THEY WERE DEAD WRONG.
THE RESEARCH SHOWS, YOU MUST RESPOND AND THAT'S WHAT ALL AMERICAN WOMEN DO.
INCLUDING HILL.
>> MAYBE SHE'S SAVING IT FOR THE DEBATE.
>> WHERE EVERYBODY IS WATCHING, SHE'S GOING TO LET HIM HAVE IT.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY DOUBT THAT WOMEN GET MORE -- LOOK AT ALL THE WAY PEOPLE TALK ABOUT PALIN AND HILLARY'S PANT SUITS.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DO TALK ABOUT DONALD TRUMP'S HAIR AND NOBODY CALLS THAT SEXIST, RIGHT?
>> WHEN I THINK ABOUT -- >> IT DOESN'T IMPACT HIM.
>> IT DOESN'T -- >> IT DOESN'T IMPACT HIM.
>> NOTHING IMPACTS HIS HAIR.
>> WHEN I THINK ABOUT DEEPLY, DEEPLY ROOTED SEXISM I THINK TO THE POINT WHERE, NOBODY IS IN THIS -- VERY FEW PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY OR EVEN IF IT IS HALF, ARE GOING TO TAKE SERIOUSLY ANY WOMAN CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE GOTTEN LARGELY PAST THE RACE BARRIER AT LEAST ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF POLITICAL CANDIDATES.
BUT, WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR PAST -- >> YOU KNOW.
>> THE SEX BARRIER.
>> I SAW RECENT POLLING OUT THIS PAST YEAR THAT BOLLAND THAT ACTUALLY THE MAJORITY OF MEN AND WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY WOULD VOTE, A LARGE MAJORITY WOULD VOTE FOR A WOMAN FOR THE PRESIDENCY AND IT CHANGE A LOT IF YOU LOOK BACK 25IERS AGO, 50 YEARS AGO.
YOU TOOK SAME QUESTION.
SO, THINK THAT I WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS.
IT IS NOT PERFECT.
BUT, I DO NOT THINK THAT IT IS HILLARY CLINTON'S BIGGEST PROBLEM RIGHT NOW.
HILLARY STARTED OUT VERY STRONG OUT OF THE GATE AS SHE DID BACK ALMOST 8 YEARS AGO NOW.
AND, THE PROBLEM HAS NOT BEEN ANYBODY TALKING ABOUT HER HAIR OR TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHE'S WEARING OR TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHE LOOKS LIKE.
, THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HER HONESTY AND TRUSTWORTHINESS, AND AN E-MAIL SCANDAL AND THAT'S WHY HER NUMBERS HAVE BEEN FALLING.
I DID NOT THINK IT IS BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN THE DEBATE AT ALL AROUND HILLARY.
>> WELL, IN TRUTH THOUGH, RESEARCH SHOWS THAT WHEN WOMEN RUN OUT OF THE GATE, VOTERS SEE THEM AS MORE TRUSTWORTHY.
BOOM, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WOMAN IT IS.
AND, THE PROBLEM IS VOTERS DON'T SEE THEM AS LEADER.
WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN THIS SORT OF VERY CAREFULLY CAL CURE LATED MECHANISM IS THEY HAVE BEEN ERODING HER PERCEIVED TRUSTWORTHINESS.
THE BIGGEST ADVANTAGE SHE'S GOT.
>> BUT AGAIN, ONE THING HILLARY HAS TO DO, IS TO CORRECTLY DIAGNOSE THIS AND I CAN'T SIT HERE AS SOMEONE ROOTING FOR HER, AND SAY, THAT THE E-MAIL MISTAKE WHICH SHE NOW CALLS IT, WAS ALL BECAUSE I WAS A WOMAN.
I CAN'T SAY IF MAN MADE THAT MISTAKE HE WOULD BE TREATED THE SAME WAY.
BUT I THINK SHE WOULD BE IN DEEP TROUBLE IF SHE THEN CAME OUT AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT?
IF I WAS A MAN THIS WOULDN'T MATTER.
>> NO, OF COURSE.
I'VE NOT TALKING ABOUT HER SAYING IT BUT HOW MUCH OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF JOE BIDEN HAD A PRIVATE E-MAIL ACCOUNT AS VICE PRESIDENT, WOULD THIS -- OR IS IT BECAUSE, IS IT BECAUSE OF SEXISM OR IS IT BECAUSE SHE STILL HAS NOT RELEASED ALL OF THE E-MAILS.
>> YOU SEE, WHAT YOU'RE HEARING, SEXISM MAY BE BURIED IN THERE, BUT, AND IT IS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT IT ISN'T SOMEWHERE, BUT, I LOOK AT HOW HIGH SHE WAS BEFORE AND YOU GET, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET BERNIE SANDERS AHEAD OF HER NOW, IN IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE, A SELF CRITICAL DIAGNOSISHIRE, A SELF CRITICAL DIAGNOSIS IS NECESSARY, FACTORING IN THE FACT THAT SHE'S A WOMAN AND THEREFORE BREAKING ENTIRELY NEW GROUND.
>> IT IS ALSO THAT SHE'S A CLINTON.
AND I THINK THAT THERE HAVE BEEN GROWING OR ENDURING MISTRUST OF THE CLINTONS THAT GOES BACK DECADES OBVIOUSLY.
AND THAT IS SETTING THE STAGE, I THINK, FOR THIS TO BE EXPLODING THIS E-MAIL SITUATION TO EXPLODE INTO WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW AND HOW DANGEROUS IN THE CAMPAIGN.
>> SHE GETS BLAMED FOR HIS INFIDELITY.
I HAVE HEARD THAT USED AGAINST HER.
>> IF THAT ISN'T SEXIST.
>> AS A PASSIONATE HILLARY CLINTON PERSON, THE RESEARCH, EXPENSIVE LONG RANGING RESEARCH, RETURNED THIS UPSIDE DOWN AND SIDE WAYS AND FRONT WAYS WITH NAME IT CHANGE IT.
IT SHOWS THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DOWNSIDE TO CALLING IT OUT FOR WHAT IT IS.
SEXIST THERE SNOW DOWNSIDE AT ALL.
AND, ONCE YOU DO, VOTERS GEXIS YOU'RE RIGHT!
THAT'S SEXIST!
AND THEY BLAME THE OPPONENT.
SO, I THAT I THERE IS STILL THE SORT OF OLD POLITICAL WATER COOLER WISDOM THAT HAS BEEN UNTESTED AND UNPROVEN, THAT SAYS, THAT WE NEED TO IGNORE THIS STUFF AND TRUTHFULLY YOU NEED TO RESPOND TO IT.
>> FOR HILLARY CLINTON, SHE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T USE THAT FOR THE REASONS THAT CONGRESSWOMAN NORTON SAID.
SHE CAN'T SAY IT, THIS IS BECAUSE I'M A WOMAN BUT FOR CARLY FIORINA, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
SHE COULD HAVE COME BACK AND SAID WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HOW I LOOK?
INSTEAD SHE SAID I'M NOT GOING TO REALLY ADDRESS THAT.
SO, I THINK THAT'S REALLY AN INTERESTING WAY TO KIND OF BREAK APART WHAT IS SEXISM FOR EACH CANDIDATE, AND REALLY, IS IT ABOUT LOOKS OR ABOUT TREATMENT, YOU KNOW.
IT IS HARD TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES SOMETIMES.
>> ALL RIGHT.
BEHIND THE HEADLINES.
AS THE MOVEMENT TO RELEASE NON-VIOLENT OFFENDERS FROM PRISON GROSS, THE FOCUS WILL NOT JUST BE ON MEN.
IN FACT, THE RATE OF WOMEN BEING IMPRISONED IN THE U.S. IS GROWING FASTER THAN THAT OF MEN.
RATE IDENTIFY CARSRATION IN THE WORLD.
>> WOMEN ARE MOSTLY IT IS.ARCERATED FOR DRUG AND PROPERTY OFFENSES.
AND, THAT TRACKS WITH AN ESCALATION OF DRUG EN.
SIT IS.E THE 1980s THAT MANY PEOPLE REFER TO AS THE WAR ON TEAUGS.
>> ONE-THIGETS OF WOMEN IN PRISON BROKE DRUG LAWS.
AND THAT IS INCREASING AT NEARLY DOUBLE THE RATE FOR MEN.
ACCORDING TO PORTER, SOME OF THESE WOMEN ARE DOING TIME BECAUSE OF THE SO-CALLED GIRLFRIEND PROBLEM.
>> THE GIRL FRIEND PROBLEM IS THE RECOGNITION THAT MANY OF THE WOMEN ARRESTED FOR DRUGS AND SENTENCED TO PRISON FOR DRUGS ARE THERE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T WILLING TO GIVE MORE INFORMATION ON ROMANTIC PARTNER WHO WAS INVOLVED IN A MORE SERIOUS PART OF THE DRUG TRAIT.
>> AS THE NUMBER OF WOMEN IN PRISON ON DRUG O SENSES HAS RISE THAT IS THERE IS ALSO BEEN A DECLINE IN RACIAL DISPARITIES AMONG FEMALE INMATES.
>> WE THINK THAT THAT IS RELATED TO A CHANGE IN ARREST PAT JEAN THE SENTET IS.E PROú>CT BELIEVES IN ALTERNATIVES TO IT IS.ARCERATION, WHICH THE PROJECT SAYS PRODUCED BETTER OUTCOMES.
>> THE PROGRAMS THAT AINSTRESS THE UNDERLYING STRUCTURAL ISSUES THAT IMPACT HIGH IT IS.ARCERATION COMMUNITIES, PARTICULARLY COMMUNITIES SUCH AS AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITIES, LATINO COMRUCNITIES.
AND IF THERE IS AN INTENTION TO FOCUS PROGRAMS ON WOMEN, THEN THFYE EMPLOYMENT PROGRAMS TO ALLEVIATE POVERTY AND HOPEFULLY, REDUCE ARREST FOR WOMEN IN HIGH INCAT SEERATION NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD RESULT IN STRUCTURAL EMPLOYMENT PROGRAMS.
>> PORTER SAID ALTERNATIVE PR.
>> TRARUCN ALSO BENEFIT THE CHILDREN WHO WON'T BE SEPARATED FROM THEIR MOTHERS BY INCAT SEERATION.
>> GENEVIEVE, THERE IS THIS HUGE MOVEMENT GOING ON TO RYMEORM THE FENSTICE SALTTEM AND LET A LOT OF NON-VIOLENT PRISONERS OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS HIGH RATE OF IT IS.ARCERATION IN THE WORLD AND THE MOST PRISONERS IN THE WORLD.
WHY SINCE WOMEN ARE -- THEY ARE MORE PERCENTAGE WISE NON-VIOLENT FEMALE OFFENDERS IN PRISON THAN ME THAT IS WTHINK Y AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT RELEASING MORE WOMEN NON-VIOLENT.
>> FOR ACEMONE REALLY INVOLVED IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE RYMEORM MOVEMENT THERE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME OF THAT.
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND TALK ABOUT A BIPARTISAN ISSUE.
I MEA THAT IS IHOW SURE THAT YOU'RE SEPEFNG THIS ON CAPITOL HILL.
BUT IT IS ALSO HAPPENING AT THE STATE LEVEL.
THERE IS NOTHING LIKE A REAL PROBLEM TO FOCUS PEOPLE'S ATTENTION AND WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE IN PRISO THAT IS FEDERAL AND STATE, THEY ARE SO OVERCROWDED, FINALLY PEOPLE SAY WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
THE U.S.
I THINK WE HAVE FIVE PERCENT OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION, BUT WE HAVE 25% TO OF INCAT SEERATIONS AROUND THE WORLD.
>> AND THAT JUST TELLS YOU HOW HUGE.
AL> BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK WHERE DID THIS COME FROM.
YOU KNOW, CONGRES SHEOMAN NORTO THAT IS I KNOW YOU HAVE -- CAN RECALL WHAT WASHINGTON, D.C. WAS LIKE DURING THE CRACK DEPALK THI THE WAR ON DRUOBL WAS PARY CARY A RESPONSE ON WHAT HAPPENED IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND SOUTH FLORIDA WHERE DRUOBL T- RK OVER AND PEOPLE COULDN'T WALK DOWN THE STREET WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT GETTING KILLE BE IT TRICKLED UP FROM DRUGS, AND OTHER LOW-LEVEL CRIMES TO OTHER BIGGER PROBLEMS IN THE COSTRUNITY.
THAT'S WHERE IT CAME FROM, SO I GUESS THE PROBLEM NOW IS, THERE IS A BIPARTISAN E SORT AND THE PRESIDENT LED THE WAY WITH EARLIER PARDONS THIS YEAR OF TEAUG O SENDERS L- RKING AT THE SENTENCING LAWS, THE LENGTH OF TIME FOR THESE DRUG O SENSES.
BUT, YOU DON'T WANT TO GO SO FAR THAT YOU HAVE THE DRUGS ON THE STREETS AGAIN THAT LEAD TO THE BICLINER CRIMES AND RUIN THESE COMMUNITIES.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE CROSS ROADS THAT WIS ARE AT RIGHT NOW.
>> THE PENDULUM.
>> EXACTLY.
>> AND WE HAVE TO BE CARYMEUL BECAUSE WIS ARE SEEING AN UPTICK IN CRIME THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES IN THE BIG CITIES BUT, IT IS CERTAINLY TRUE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REASONS WHY WOMEN ARE IN PRISON YOU KNOW THERE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO ABOUT IT RIGHT AWAY.
THE REASONS THAT I THINK TO GET TO YOUR FIRST Q3 USTIO THAT IS WHEN WOMEN HAVE BEEN OFF THE TABLE, AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS AND L- RKING AT BLACON MEN, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT, NOT NEARLY AS CLFYELY AS BLACON WOMEN, BECAUSE OF THEELYINSTRAL COMPARISON.
WE ARE SO SMALL IN NUMBER, COMPARED WITH THE MUCH LARGER ERI OER, AT EVERY LEVEL OF MEN IN PRISON THAT ARE NUMBERS, SO NOBODY WANTS TO L- RK ATELYSELYNTIL THARC FIND THESE DISPARITIES ESPECIALLY THESE DISPARITIES BASED ON COLOR.
AND, NOW WE SEE SOMETHING REALLY SURPRISING.
THAT THE NUMBERS BASED ON COLOR, THAT'S THE DISPARITIES BASED ON COLOR BEGINNING TO GO DOWN, AND, THAT PUTS THE WHITE WOMEN WHO WERE LOWER BYMEORE AT LEAST LOOKING LIKE THEY ARE A WORSE PROBLEM.
AND YOU L- RK ACIIN AT DRUG.
IT IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF DRUGS.
>> WHAT ABOUT THIS GIRLFRIEND ISINSTRE.
I MEA THAT IS ESSENTIALLY, I FAS WOMEN NOT WANTING TO, SORRY FOR THE VERNACULAR BUT RAT OUT THEIR BBOR FRIENDS.
WELL, YOU KNOW, DO MEN RAT OUT THEIR, NOT GIRLFRIEND BUT THEIR CO-CONSPIRATORS AT A HIGHER RATE THAN WOMEN RAT OUT BOYFRIEND AND IF SO, DO PRISON COUNSELORS, THE LAWYERS NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS TO INFORM WOMEN, LISTEN, YOU DON'T WANT TO GO TO JAIL, FOR TEN YEARS WHEN YOU CAN GO FOR THREE IF YOU GIVEN THEM INFORMATION ON YOUR BBORFRIEND.
AL> WELL, CLEARLY THERE IS A CULTURAL PHENOMENON AT PLAY.
SOMETHING THAT I DON'T HEAR FROM THE SENTET IS.ING PROú>CT, AND I THINK SOME OF THE WORK IS EXCITING AND I DON'T HEAR FROM THE SORT OF BLEVEARTISAN E SORT, THERE IS AN UNDERLYING, ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT COSTRONALITIES, ALL IT IS.ARCERATED INDIVIDUALS BOTH MALE AND FEMALE IS THE EXTRAORDINARY HIGH RATE OF SEXUAL ABUSE THEY'VE ALL EXPERIENCED IN THEIR LIVES SO FOR WHAT IS IT IS WORTH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE SENTET IS.E PROJECT, THE BIPARTISAN EFFORT INCLUDE THAT IN THIS SORT OF APPROACH TO THIS PROBLEM.
BECAUSE, THERE IS NO OTHER COMMONALTY LIKE SEXUAL ABUSE THAT BIND THESE IT IS.ARCERATED INDIVIDUALS TOGETHER.
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, IS CONGRESS IN ACEM WAY GOING TO THINK ABOUT REVISITING THE SENTENCING GUIDELINES?
>> LOOK, THIS IS-OF-THIS IS IMPORTANT THAT WE DO HAVE A REAL BIPARTISANSHIP ON THIS ISSUE.
SOME OF THE -- ONE OF THE ISS3 US THE ISS3 US THAT BROUGHT REPUBLICANS TO THE TABLE FRANKLY IS COST.
AND, THEY ARE CUTTING EVERYTHING IN SIGHT AND THEY SAY, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, DO WE REALLY NEED TO PUT PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR 15 AND 20 YEARS SIMPLY FOR USE OF A SUBSTANCE?
THAT'S A STATUS O SENSE.
AL> AND- AL> THA FAS NOT BECAUSE OF SOMETHING YOU DID NEARLY AS RUCCH.
AL> IS IT WORKING.
WEARTE SEEN IT IS NOT WORKING AND, A STUDY WAS DONE LOOKING AT THE TOP TEN STATES SORT OF LETTING PEOPLE OUT EARLIER AND HAVE LESS INCARCERATION.
THE LOOKIIME RATE FELL AND THEY WEREELYEARLING THE INCARCERATION.
NOW, WE NEED TO STUDY THAT FURTHER BUT THAW THA FAS A IS CONDINR B >> AND WE'LL KEEP LOOKING IT A.
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