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Bonnie: THIS WEEK ON "TO THE CONTRARY": FIRST, CHARGES OF RACISM IN THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
THEN, BACK TO SCHOOL, BUT ARE COLLEGES SAFER WHEN IT COMES TO RAPE?
BEHIND THE HEADLINES: A WOMAN WHO SUFFERED FROM ANOREXIA RAISES AWARENESS WITH THE HELP OF HER MOTHER.
Bonnie: HELLO, I'’’M BONNIE ERBE.
WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY," A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.
UP FIRST, WOMEN, RACISM AND THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
PEOPLE OF COLOR AND PRO-IMMIGRATION GROUPS FOUGHT BACK THIS WEEK AGAINST WHAT THEY CLAIM ARE RACIST COMMENTS BY REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFULS.
JEB BUSH IS STILL REELING FROM HIS USE OF THE HIGHLY CHARGED TERM, "ANCHOR BABIES."
TWO ASIAN-AMERICAN HOUSE DEMOCRATS TOLD REPORTERS HIS USE OF THE TERM MAKES HIM UNFIT FOR THE PRESIDENCY.
>> DONALD TRUMP CONTINUED TO LEAD THE UGLY CHARGE ON IMMIGRANTS AND IT'S REALLY RIDICULOUS.
I THINK HE IS TRYING TO TAKING THE HIGH ROAD.
WE MOVES A CIVIL DIALOGUE, AND WE SHOULD DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS STEREOTYPICALLY -- Bonnie: DONALD TRUMP CONTINUED TO ATTACK WHAT HE CALLS ROVING BANDS OF CRIMINAL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS CAUSING TROUBLE IN BALTIMORE, CHICAGO AND FERGUSON, MISSOURI.
HE ALSO TANGLED WITH THE MOST IMPORTANT JOURNIST ON SPANISH-SPEAKING TELEVISION.
GOP POLLSTER FRANK LUNTZ SHOWS REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL FRONTRUNNER DONALD TRUMP IS VIRTUALLY INVULNERABLE TO ATTACK BY RIVAL 2016 CANDIDATES AND THE MEDIA AND STANDS A GOOD CHANCE OF WINNING THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION.
SO, RINA, IS DONALD TRUMP MAKING THE SAME OLD REPUBLICAN MISTAKES OR ARE REPUBLICANS MAKING THE SAME OLD MISS TAKES BY ALIENATE ALIENATING QURAN IMMIGRANT AMERICANS AND THE CHILDREN OF IMMIGRANT AMERICANS IN.
>> PARTY AS A A WHOLE IS NOT.
THESE ARE A SELECT FEW CANDIDATES WHO HAVE NOT WISED UP TO THE MINORITIES AND WHAT EFFECT THEY CAN HAVE.
>> IN 2012 WHEN THE REPUBLICANS LOST WOMEN, AFRICAN-AMERICANS, HISPANICS, YOU THOUGHT THEY HAD LEARNED A LESSON BUT APPARENTLY THEY HAVEN'T.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK THAT THEY'RE ALIEN AGENT PEOPLE BUT -- YOU KNOW WHAT?
-- THE DEMOCRATS ARES ALSO ALIEN AGENT A MAJOR MAJORITY OF MALE WHITE VOTERS.
>> WE NEED A PRESIDENT THAT'S GOING TO MOVE US FORWARD, NOT BACKWARDS.
>> BUT THESE ARE PRETTY HEATED TERMS, AND DONALD TRUMP WITH WHAT FRANK LUNTS SAID ABOUT HIM THIS WEEK, AND HE'S A VERY RELIABLE POLLSTER WITH, IT LOOK LIKE AT THIS POINT HE'S HEADING TOWARD THE NOMINATION, BUT IF IF HE WERE TO WIN IT COULD SEE POSSIBLY WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION BY ALIEN AGENT THESE NEXT?
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
HE NEEDS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT HAD A GREAT MUCH HAS BEEN MISCONSTRUED.
JEB BUSH COMPLETELY MISS CON TRUDE THE FACTS ON THE ANCHOR BABY DISPUTE AND BLAMING ASIAN PEOPLE ON IT.
200,000 OF 2.2 BILLION CHINESE TOURS, THESE CHINESE TOURIST CONTRIBUTE $24 BILLION TO OUR ECONOMY WHEN THEY COME IN AND TOUR HERE.
SO I THINK THIS IS JUST WRONG.
HE'S CERTAINLY DISCOUNTED ASIAN- ASIAN-AMERICANS AS VOTING SEGMENTS AND VOTING BLOCKS.
THEY ARE POWERFUL IN CERTAIN PART OF THE COUNTRY.
SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE THESE CANDIDATES WISING YOU.
I AGREE DONALD TRUMP WILL LOSE THE ELECTION IF HE DOES NOT WISE UP TO MUN ORTIZ AND IF EFFECT THEY CAN HAVE.
>> YOU GO AHEAD?
NO, YOU GO AHEAD?
IS IT POSSIBLE TO WIN THE ELECTION BY ALIENATING THE LATINO VOTERS, WHICH IS THE LARGEST SINGLE FASTEST PROCEEDING BLOCK OF MUN ORTIZ IN THIS COUNTRY?
FORGET ABOUT ASIAN.
AMERICANS.
WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT HISPANIC PEOPLE, WHAT HE SAID TO HOR IS A RAMOS AND BUILDING A WALL.
>> WHAT MACY'S ME IS THAT THE IS THAT THE OTHER DEBATES HAVE NOT COME OUT IN A VERY STRONG WAY AT ALL.
A COUPLE OF WORDS FROM CARLY FIORINA.
>> AND IN THE PAST SHE HAS COME OUT STRONG ON THIS ISSUE.
>> SHE'S NOT AFRAID OF TRUMP.
BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THE MORE HE DOUBLES DOWN ON THIS EXCLUSIONARY APPROACH TO ETHNIC GROUPS AS HE CAMPAIGNS, THE STRONGER HE GETS IN THE POLLS.
HE'S IN DOUBLE DIGIT -- >> BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, THEY ARE -- HE IS VERY APPEALING TO WHITE MALES AND PARTICULARLY UNEDUCATED WHITE MALES AND SOME UNEDUCATED WHITE WOMEN.
THAT'S WHERE HE'S DOING REALLY WELL IN THE POLLS.
>> YOU WOULD NEVER WANT TO ALIENATE WHERE YOU'RE -- YOU WANT TO BRING A COALITION.
YOU WANT TO BRING ALL THE DIFFERENT GROUPS TOGETHER.
SO FOR HIM ON RIGHT OFF THE BAT TO DECIDE iI'VE GIVEN UP ON THIS VOTING BLOCK OR THAT VOTING BLOCK IS REALLY A POOR CAMPAIGN STRATEGY.
>> RIGHT.
BUT MY QUESTION IS -- AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY HE'S NOT REALLY RUNNING FOR ANYTHING EXCEPT MORE MONEY FROM NBC WHEN HE GO BACK TO HIS REAL JOB, BUT ASSUMING THAT HE ACTUALLY IS, I MEAN, WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS COUNTRY, WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT RACE RELATIONS IN THIS COUNTRY, WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT MASS IMMIGRATION OVER THE LAST 20, 30 YEARS?
OBVIOUSLY, A LOT OF WHITE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF THIS OR WHAT DO YOU THINK IT SAYS?
>> WELL, DONALD TRUMP'S REMARKS HAVE DETRACTED, DEFRAYED FROM A SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION WE COULD BE HAVING ON IMMIGRATION.
THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
HE'S THROWING BOMBS AND DOING IT FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL GAIN.
Y HE LIKES TO BE SENSATIONAL.
HE'S REALLY BOLD AND BRASH BECAUSE IT ATTRACTS SOME ATTENTION P THIS PAST WEEK WE HEARD ABOUTY JORDAN POTENTIALLY JOE BIDEN.
HE IS AUTHENTIC AND SPEAKS WHAT'S ON HIS MIND.
>> HOW DOES -- >> BIDEN WOULD NOT THROW BOMBS BUT HE'S AUTHENTIC.
>> HE TALKS LIKE THE AVERAGE PERSON.
>> IT'S ONE THING TO LIKE YOUR STYLIST TALKING BUT YOUR CONTENT, HOW DO YOU FEEL AS A REPUBLICAN?
I WOULD>> I THINK IT'S POP AS A A PARENT I DON'T GO AROUND SUPPORTING TRUMP BECAUSE I THINK HE IS I MISOGYNIST, HE HATES WOMEN AND HE'S IN IT FOR HIMSELF.
ANY WOMAN HERE COULD TELL THAT YOU MEGYN KELLY, WHAT HE'S DONE TO HER IS COMPLETELY WRONG.
>> A 60% APPROVAL RATING AMONG REPUBLICAN WOMEN.
>> YOU THINK, I'VE BEEN IN POLITICS A LONG TIME AND YOU USED TO SAY YOU NEVER WANT TO PICK A FIGHT WITH SOMEBODY WHO HAS BARRELS OF YOU INK AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE WRIGHT BUT AND COVERING YOU, AND HERE HE IS NOT ONLY ALIENATEING THESE YOU CAN GROUPS, 15 MILLION HISPANICS, BUT TAKING ON THE MEDIA, TAKING ON THE UNIVISION, WALTER CRONKITE IN SUCH A DISMISSIVE WAY.
>> THAT INCHING HAS SPILLED FOR HIM, AND LOOK AT THE ISSUES THAT ARE BEING IGNORED RIGHT NOW.
IT'S ALL TRUMP ALL THE TIME.
THE SHOOTING, THE ROANOKE SHOOTING WAS THE FIRST THING TO TAKE TRUMP OUT OF POLLS.
THE STOCK MARKET ON MONDAY.
>> I WATCHED HIM ON CNN, WHICH SEEMS TO BE COVERING HIM WALL TO WALL, AND HIS RESPONSE TO EVERYTHING IS "IF I'M PRESIDENT, WE'LL FIX IT."
>> I'LL BUILD THAT WALL.
>> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID, AND THAT'S ABOUT AS SUBSTANTIVE AS IT GETS, AND THAT'S WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THE SHOOTING.
>> BUT THE MEDIA KEEPS EATING HIM UP.
I MEAN, THE STOCK MARKET OBJECT MONDAY WAS AGAIN, IT WAS LIKE ALL MONDAY IT WAS LIKE THERE WAS NO TRUMP.
IT WAS OH, MY GOD, WE CAN FOCUS OTHER THINGS RIGHT NOW.
>> IT'S MORE ABOUT THE CURRENT STATE OF POLITICS IN THIS COUNTRY.
I WANT TO PUT THE RACISM AND ALL THAT ASIDE.
THE FACT THAT HE'S POLLING SO HIGH SAYS MORE ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE WANT.
>> ENTERTAINMENT.
>> THEY ARE ENTERTAINED.
HE'S BOLD, BRASH AND POPULAR AND IT MAKES FOR GOOD MEDIA.
>> WHAT ABOUT ARE ASIAN-AMERICAN OVERLOOKED AS PART OF THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE?
>> IN GENERAL, I THINK SO.
I MEAN, DIDN'T THEY USED TO BE CALLED THE MODEL MINORITY?
I THINK SO.
I THINK EVERYBODY IS SO CAUGHT UP IN THINKING ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND LATINOS THAT WE KIND OF DO YET GET OVERLOOKED.
THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES TO BE RESOLVE ABOUT LEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT ARE HERE.
>> AND IT WAS JEB BUSH SAID A YEAR AGO THAT THE ASIAN-AMERICANS WHETHER THE REPUBLICAN PARTY COULD RIGHT.
ASIAN-AMERICANS COULD BE THE CANARY IN THE COAL MINE, AND LOOK THERE GOES THAT.
>> THE AIR IS COMING OUT OF THE BIG TENT EVERY SECOND.
LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.
PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER AT BONNIE ERBÉÉ FROM POLITICS TO SEXUAL ASSAULT.
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AT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF NEW PROGRAMS, LAWS AND INITIATIVES WILL BE TESTED.
COLLEGES AND ADMINISTRATORS IN A NEW TREND ARE FOCUSING ON THE PROBLEM BY FOCUSING ON BY STAND% P THE WHITE HOUSE HAS REDOUBLED THEIR "ITSONUS" CAMPAIGN CLAIMING THAT EVERYONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ENDING RAPE.
ORGANIZATIONS THAT FIGHT RAPE SAY THE OLD APPROACH FOCUS ON VICTIMS AND PERSON TRAITORS LEFT OUT MOST PEOPLE I.
BY FOCUSING ON BYSTANDERS, THEY HOPE TO CONNECT WITH EVERYONE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR CHANGING THE CULTURE.
>> THERE'S SUCH A BRIGHT LIGHT THAT IS NOW SHINING ON THIS PROBLEM WEEK WHICH FOR MANY YEARS I THINK WAS REALLY A DIRTY LITTLE SECRET, AND I SEE COLLEGE CAMPUSES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT ARE TAKING STEPS.
A LOT OF IT DRIVEN BY STUDENTS, WHICH IS TERRIFIC.
WE HAVE A BILL THAT WE'VE WORK HARD ON TO GET BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, AND WE HAVE STRONG BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR THE BILL.
I'M CONFIDENT THAT PORTIONS OF IT IF NOT ALL OF IT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE REAUTHORIZATION OF THE HIGHER EDUCATION ACT THAT WE WILL BE DEBATING THIS FALL.
>> Bonnie: BUT MANY CHARGE THE CULTURE REMAINS THE SAME.
THIS WEEK A FRATERNITY OLD DOMINION 9:30 VIRGINIA HAD OUTRAGE BY HANGING SEQUELAE CHARGE BANNERS AIMED AT INCOMING FRESHMAN STUDENTS.
MEG APP, WILL THIS BYSTANDER APPROACH WORK?
>> I THINK IT WILL BECAUSE WHAT IT DOES IS IT CHANGES THE WHOLE ECOSYSTEM.
WHEN YOU DO A TRAINING ON A CAMPUS AND YOU SAY, WE'VE GOT TO TEACH PEOPLE NOT TO BE ASSAULTERS, WE'VE GOT TO TEACH PEOPLE NOT TO BE VICTIMS, IT CREATES A BINE ARE AND A POLARIZATION OF MEN AGAINST WOMEN.
THIS WAY AT BRINGS EVERYBODY IN TO THIS IDEA OF CHANGING THE CULTURE ITSELF.
EVERYBODY'S INVOLVED.
THE BYSTANDERS FEEL THAT THEY HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY, AND THEY DO DO.
>> NINE OUT OF TEN VICTIMS ARE FEMALE IN CAMPUS SEXUAL ASSAULT.
THIS ISN'T JUST A FEEL MALE ISSUE.
SO GETTING MEN TO BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION, ORIENTATIONS ON COLLEGE CAMPUS THAT INVOLVE TALKING ABOUT ALERTS THAT SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO SEND OUT TECHNOLOGY ALERTS ON YOUR CELL PHONES AND OVER EMAIL TELLING YOU WHEN THERE'S A SUSPICIOUS PERSON ON CAMPUS.
>> SUSPICIOUS PERSON ON CAMPUS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OUTSIDERS.
BUT THEY'RE TALKING, THIS IS REALLY ABOUT LIKE ONE GUY AT A FRAT PARTY WATCHING ANOTHER GUY GETTING A WOMAN DRUNK AND SAYING TO HIM, HEY, LISTEN, DON'T TAKE HER ANYWHERE.
>> THESE CAN RUN THE GAM PUT UP THEY CAN BE A SUSPICIOUS PERSON ON CAMPUS TO SAYING, HEY, THIS HAPPENED ON X WEEKS, Y WEEKS, Z SORE REUTER LAST NIGHT.
I THINK IT HELPS EMPOWER WOMEN ON CAMPUSES BECAUSE THEY CAN CAN MORE FOR EXAMPLE ALERT ABOUT PROTECTIVING THEMSELVES.
>> DO YOU THINK THAT MEN WILL CHIP IN?
>> I THINK TOO OFTEN WHEN WE FOCUS ON RAPE CULTURE WE DEMONIZE OWL MEN BUT TIMES SOMETIMES NIECE FRAT BROTHERS HAVE A HEADS UP P. I THINK GETTING INVOLVED WITH BY STANDERS IS A REAL HEADS UP.
>> BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOING THE FIXES ANY OF THE DISTRESS BETWEEN THE SECTIONS BECAUSE IF A GUY SAYS, NO, DON'T SLEEP WITH HER BECAUSE SHE'S PROBABLY GOING TO ACCUSE YOU OF RAPE, VERSUS WOMEN SAYING DON'T SLEEP WITH HIM BECAUSE HE WILL RAPE YOU, I THINK IT WILL HOPEFULLY END THE -- MISTRUST.
>> ANT AREN'T WE AIMING FOR, HEY, THE PUNCH BOWL IS SPIKED.
DON'T DRINK IT?
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
>> WHO IS SUPPOSED TO TELL THESE GIRLS THAT?
PARENTS?
WHAT ROLE DO PARENTS PLAY?
>> I THINK IT HAS TO BE ONE OF THE GUYS IN THE FRAT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
>> I WAS PRESIDENT OF THE PANEL A COUNCIL A WEST VIRGINIA UNIVERSITY WI WHICH HAD A HUGE GREEK SYSTEM, AND I BELIEVED IN THE BUDDY SYSTEM.
I FELT ONLY SORRY OR IT SISTERS COULD HELP SORRY OR IT SISTERS.
PARENTS BUT WHAT THEY CAN IN YOUR MINDS AND THEY TRY TO EMPOWER YOU AND IT GETS TO YOU WISE UP TO WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND YOU BUT TRULY THERE'S NO SUBSTITUTE FORE PEER SYSTEMS, AND THESE PEERY SYSTEMS NEED TO BE STRONGER.
>> SO WHY NOT THAT INSTEAD OF THE BYSTANDER OR BOTH?
>> IT'S A COMBINATION.
IT'S A CONTINUUM.
>> IT'S A PROBLEM IN THE CULTURE BECAUSE FACE IT A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
AND WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION IS IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SURVEYS DONE EVERY OTHER YEAR.
>> BUT, MEGAN, I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT SOME OF THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
IT ALWAYS WENT ON.
OKAY?
AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
BUT I EVEN ASKED GLORIA STEINEM, I WENT TO A 20,000 PERSON 9:30 NEW YORK CITY, I WAS THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
I NEVER HEARD OF ANY OF MY CLASSMATES HAVING THIS KIND OF SITUATION, AND I SAID TO HER, YOU KNOW, WAS IT HAPPENING THEN AND NOBODY TALKED ABOUT IT OR WHAT'S GOING -- OR IS IT HAPPENING NOW, WHICH IS REALLY WEIRD TO BE HAPPENING POST THIRD WAVE FEMINISM, RIGHT?
AND SHE SAID, NOBODY WILL EVER KNOW.
AND IT'S TRUE.
AND I GET THE FEELING, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT IT'S HAPPENING A LOT MORE NOW THAN IT WAS BACK THEN.
>> I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF HEARING ABOUT IT A LOT MORE.
>> IT'S BEING REDEFINED.
>> BUT ALSO THE INTERNET IS, ALL KINDS OF STUFF GETS PUT ONLINE.
>> THE CULTURE HAS ALWAYS EXISTED.
-- THE RAPE CULTURE HAS ALWAYS EXISTED.
>> THERE IS TRANSPARENCY NET DATA.
THE DATA MAKES THE INVISIBLE ACTIONABLE, AND THAT'S WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION, SHA THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THESE SURVEYS IN PLACES WHERE THEY DIDN'T THINK THEY HAD A PROBLEM.
THE NEW CHANCELLOR OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AS WAS AN ADMIRAL IN THE MILITARY SAID HE IS INSTITUTING A LONGITUDINAL STUD WELL THIS YEAR'S FRESHMAN CLASS.
WHY?
WHEN HE WAS IN THE MILITARY HE DID A STUDY ON SEXUAL ASSAULT AND WAS AMAZED AT THE NUMBERS THAT CAME OUTER.
>> WE ARE GETTING MORE VIOLENT.
IT'S LIKE WE HEAR ABOUT ALL THESE SHOOTINGS, MEASURING HEARING ABOUT THE MIGRANT CRISIS.
SO MANY WARS GOING ON.
HAS THIS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS?
>> THEY ARE REPORTING AT A WHOLE LOT MORE.
>> YOU HAVE IT ON A CELL PHONE.
USED TO HAVE TO GO HOME TO WATCH THE NEWS TO GET.
>> IT AND THE SURVEYS, THEY CAN BE INFLATED BECAUSE WE KNOW THE ONE IN FIVE STATISTIC IS COMPLETELY FLAWED, AND SO IF THESE SURVEYS ON THESE COLLEGE CAMPUSES FOLLOW THAT SAME MODEL, THEN, YEAH, IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE ONE IN FIVE WHEN IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING ON?
>> I THINK THE HOOKUP CULTURE IS BEING REDEFINES A RAPE CULTURE WOMEN ARE BEING TOLD TO REINTERPRET ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO THEM AS RAPE.
WE LOOK AT THE RECENT UNIVERSITY, THE WORDS THAT THEY SAID WERE REALLY GUST DISGUSTING WORDS BUT WERE THEY ADVOCATING FOR RAPE?
THEY WERE NOT.
BUT NOW EVERYTHING IS BEING DEFINED AS RAPE.
>> THOUGHTS ON THAT.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT THE WORDS THAT WERE ON THOSE SIGNS THAT THOSE FRATERNITIES WERE ALLY RENEXT OF A CULTURE THAT WAS OBJECT FYING WOMEN WHICH IS NEVER GOOD DID.
>> THE SORORITIES ALSO HAD BANNERS THAT WERE NEGATIVE TOWARD MEN.
>> AND IT MAY BE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE, TOO.
>> BUT THEY'RE WOULD THE.
>> WHAT DO COLLEGE WOMEN DO TO STOP THE URN U.
CULTURE?
AND DOES PAR OF IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE WAY YOU DRESS?
>> IT IS OOH NOT IMAGE.
>> WHY ARE WE TELLING MEN NOT TO RAPE?
>> WE'RE NOT TELLING MEN NOT TO RAPE.
>> WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
>> MEN ARE BEING TOLD NOT TO RAPE ABOUT.
>> THEY'RE ALSO BEING TOLD THAT COLLEGES DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT AND YOU WILL GET AWAY WITH IT.
COLLEGES EXPEL FOR CHEATING.
THEY EXPEL FOR STEALING.
I WENT TO UVA.
WE KNEW THIS STUFF WAS GOING ON FOR SO LONG.
LET ME TELL YOU.
AND I GRADUATED A LONG TIME AGO.
I WANT TO SAY IT WAS JUST THE OTHER DAY BUT IT WASN'T.
>> THE PENDULUM HAS SWUNG WHERE WE COMPLETELY EVISCERATE DUE PROCESS, AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND THE CAPITOL HAVE BEEN VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN SWINGING THE PENDULUM TO THE FACT YOU DO NOT NEED ANY EVIDENCE, YOU JUST NEED A ACCUSATION AND YOU CAN DESTROY A YOUNG MAN AND HIS FUTURE LIFE.
ON THE CONTRARY WHEN IT COMES TO HELPING WOMEN ALL YOU'RE DOING IS EXPELLING, SO HE'S OUT ON THE STREET.
>> TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE DUE PROCESS, THIS LEGISLATION WOULD GIVE -- >> NO, IT DOESN'T.
>> -- WITHIN 24 HOURS OF DECIDING THAT AN ACTION WILL BE TAKEN, TELLING BOTH THE ACCUSED AND THE WOMAN ACCUSING SO THAT THEY CAN BECOME INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS.
>> NOW WE HAVE -- STOP, PLEASE.
BEHIND THE HEADLINES: A DAUGHTER'S HARROWING JOURNEY THROUGH SEXUAL ASSAULT, EATING DISORDER, AND MENTAL ILLNESS AND A MOTHER'S PERSISTENT RESPONSE.
>> I THINK INHERENTLY WHEN YOU ARE ASSAULTED AT WHATEVER AGE, WHETHER YOU'RE VERY YOUNG OR YOUR VERY OLD, IT'S THAT YOU FEEL THAT DEEP-SEATED SHAME.
IT'S JUST VERY SHAMEFUL.
AND THERE ARE THESE EXTREME LEVELS THAT YOU PUT YOURSELF THROUGH OF, WELL, WAS IT REALLY BECAUSE I HAD HAD A LITTLE TO DRINK?
WAS IT REALLY AS BAD?
AM I ALLOWED TO CALL IT SEXUAL ASSAULT?
>> LANE A DUNKLE WAS RAPED AT 13 YEARS OF AGE.
THE ASSAULT CHANGED HER PERSONALITY.
IT EVENTUALLY LED TO YEARS OF STRUGGLE WITH AN EATING DISORDER, ANOREXIA WHICH ALSO SERIOUSLY IMPACTED HER MOTHER.
IN ELENA VANISHING COAUTHORS ELENA AND CLARE DUNK EL TELL THIS POIGNANT STORY FROM HER OWN PERSPECTIVE SIGNING A SHINING A LIGHT ON ISSUES THAT AFFECT BOTH YOUNG ADULTS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
>> SHE WAS SILENT AND SHE COULDN'T SLEEP, SHE COULDN'T EAT.
WE BECAME VERY CONCERNED PARTICULARLY AS THAT BEHAVIOR PERSISTED AND WE COULD SEE IT WAS JUST LOOK A RAW NERVE.
>> ACCORDING TO THE UNIVERSITY OF MILLION DOLLAR MEDICAL CENTER AN REXIA NERVOSA AFFECT AS MANY AS ONE IN THREE TEENS.
ELENA SUFFERED FOR YEARS FROM ONE TREATMENT CENTER TO ANOTHER.
ON AT ONE POINT SHE WAS ON 11 DIFFERENT MEDICATIONS.
>> WHEN YOU GO INTO AN EATING CENTER AND YOU HAVE A SET AMOUNT OF TIME AT YOUR HEALTH SYSTEM, IF YOU'RE SUCH A SEVERELY MALNOURISHED WEIGHT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A MEMORY OF ANYTHING OR HAVE EVEN THE ABILITY AND THE ENERGY TO CONNECT, AND SO YOU WANT TO JUST PILE ON THE WEIGHT SO THAT THE BODY HAS ENOUGH REVERSE TO BE ABLE TO START PROCESSING, AND ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO GAIN WEIGHT IS THROUGH ANTI-DEPRESSANTS AND SO ONE OF THE TREATMENT CENTERS THAT I WAS AT WOULD DO THAT FOR NORMALLY THREE TO FOUR MONTHS, JUST PACK THE ANTI-DEPRESSANTS ON YOU.
>> CLARE SUPPORTED ELENA THROUGH MULTIPLE ROUNDS OF TREATMENT, SOMETHING COMMON FOR PEOPLE WITH AN EATING DISORDER.
>> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I WOULD SAY TO OTHER PARENTS AND TO OTHER CAREGIVERS IS THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT A DIET.
THIS IS NOT JUST SORT OF A SILLY ADOLESCENT BEHAVIOR.
THIS IS A VERY, VERY SERIOUS MENTAL ILLNESS THAT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
>> ALTHOUGH ELENA HAS RECOVERED THERE HAVE BEEN LONG-LASTING EFFECTS ON HER BODY.
SHE HAD A MISCARRIAGE AS A YOUNG ADULT BECAUSE SHE WAS UNABLE TO SUPPORT A CHILD.
>> Elena: THERE'’’S STILL A LOT OF MEDICAL ISSUES GOING ON.
I HAVE ALMOST NO SENSE OF TASTE OR SMELL BECAUSE OF PURGING AND THE ACID.
I HAVE OSTEOPOROSIS.
MY BONES ARE 60 YEARS OLD.
I HAVE BROKEN HIPS AND WRISTS AND RIBS AND FINGERS AND TOES, THERE'’’S CHEEKBONES, AND THERE'’’S A LOT OF THE MEDICAL ISSUES THAT ARE PROBABLY PRETTY MUCH PERMANENT, AND THAT'’’S SOMETHING THAT NOW THAT ANGER TOWARDS MY PAST SELF, I'’’M HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT AT THIS POINT.
>> THE DUNKLES DECIDED TO CO-WRITE "ELENA VANISHING" TO SHARE THE ILLNESS FROM BOTH PERSPECTIVES, AND DESCRIBE HOW SEXUAL ASSAULT LED TO A MUCH LARGER ISSUE.
>> Clare: OUR ENTIRE FAMILY SUFFERED FROM THIS CRIME FOR YEARS, AND THERE ARE STILL THINGS THAT ARE LEFT OVER.
THERE ARE STILL HEALTH PROBLEMS THAT ELENA HAS THAT ARE LEFT OVER FROM THIS EATING DISORDER.
OUR LIVES WILL NEVER BE WHAT THEY WERE BEFORE.
>> Elena: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID STRESS IS THAT THE BOOK HAS NO CALORIES, NO WEIGHTS, NO NUMBERS, NO TIPS.
IT DOESN'’’T DISCLOSE ANY INFORMATION THAT SOMEONE COULD USE IN A NEGATIVE WAY, YOU KNOW HOW I GOT TO THE WEIGHT I DID, OR HOW MUCH I WEIGHED.
THERE ARE NO PICTURES IN IT, WHICH WAS IMPORTANT TO ME.
WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE READER COULD FOLLOW THE EMOTIONAL JOURNEY.
>> DO WE AS A SOCIETY TAKE EATING DISORDERS SERIOUSLY ENOUGH.
>> I THINK WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY ENOUGH BUT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND REALLY THE COMPLEXITIES OF -- I MEAN, WHAT A BRAVE MOTHER AND DAUGHTER.
I CAN'T IMAGINE AS A MOM TO GO THROUGH.
AND THE MORE WE HEAR THESE KINDS OF STORIES, THE MORE WE WILL UNDERSTAND.
>> I DON'T THINK WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY ENOUGH.
I THINK WE HAVE WOMEN TREAT THEMSELVES.
WHEN I WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOLED IN '90S I REMEMBER KNOWING TWO CLOSE FRIENDS WHO WERE BULIMIC, AND THIS IS A BODY IMAGE PROM.
GRAMMAR MAGAZINE DID A GREAT SHOWING A 20 POINT DIFFERENCE IN THE '80 AND '90S AND HOW GIRLS FEEL ABOUT THEIR BOUNDS MILLENNIAL WOMEN ARE DEALING WITH IT EVEN WORSE BECAUSE WE SEE BODY IMAGE ON FACEBOOK AND TWITTER.
IT'S NOT CELEBRITIES ANY MORE.
IT'S THE AVERAGE WOMAN WHO WE WANT TO BE SKIN I LIKE.
>> THERE'S ALSO A CONVERSE TO THAT WHERE IF ANYONE IS JUST NATURALLY THIN NATURALLY, THEY'RE NOW ACCUSED OF BEING AN REXIC OR BULIMIC.
I HAD THAT CHARGE THROWN AGAINST ME ALL THE THE TIME WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, AND -- >> BY OTHER KIDS?
>> -- BY OTHER KIDS CLAIMING THAT I HAD AN EATING DISORDER JUST BECAUSE I WAS NATURALLY THIN.
>> AND WHAT DID THAT DO TO YOU?
>> IT STARTED MAKING ME THINK THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME.
YOU START TO GET IT IN MY HEAD, WAIT, AM I NOT EATING?
NO, I GO OUT AND HAVE A BURGER ALL THE TIME.
I'M JUST NATURALLY THIN.
>> YOUR RIGHT.
I WAS VERY CURVEY AND I -- >> YOU'RE NEVER RIGHT.
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE EITHER TOO FAT WHEN YOU'RE YOUNGER, THEN YOU GETTING AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE YOU'RE TOO FAT WHEN YOUR PREGNANT.
DID YOU LOSE THE WEIGHT YET?
IT'S NEVER ENDING P. >> EXACTLY.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT'S SCARY ABOUT THIS BOOK IS THAT YOU REALIZE SHE WENT TO LIKE FOUR DIFFERENT CENTERS AND THEY SEEMED TO EACH HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH, AND PUTTING HER ON ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT DRUGS.
IT JURIES FELT LIKE WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN OUR ARMS AROUND THIS PROBLEM.
ONE IN THREE OF OUR MOSTLY YOUNG GIRLS ARE SUBJECT TO THIS AND SOMETHING LIKE 20% END DYING OF A SYSTEM OR SOMETHING THIS OCCURRED AS A RESULT OF THEIR ANOREXIA IT IS.
INCREDIBLE SERIOUS.
WHY HAVEN'T WE DONE MORE RESEARCH?
WHY HASN'T THERE BEEN MORE INSURANCE COVERAGE?
IN THIS BOOK SEVERAL OF THE PATIENTS HAD TO LEAVE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEIR COVERAGE EVER COVERAGE RAN OUT.
>> MENTAL HEALTH IN THIS COUNTRY IS IN ITS INFANCY.
NO, I MEAN NOT A DISASTER BECAUSE OF ANY OTHER ISSUE BUT JUST BECAUSE MENTAL HEALTH AND THE USE OF ANTI-DEPRESSANTS, WHICH IS VERY WIDESPREAD AS A MENTIONED EARLIER, DOCTORS DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE MEDS.
>> EVERYWHERE YOU GO THEY TREAT IT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, SO AT ONE POINT SHE WAS ON 11 PILLS.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT IF THAT WAS HAPPENING AT ONE CENTER, THAT'S THEY THOUGHT 11 PILLS FOR THIS WAS A GOOD TREATMENT.
IT'S JUST -- >> DOCTORS DON'T -- PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT DOCTORS -- ONE DOCTOR, YOU SEE ONE DOCTOR FOR THIS, YOU SEE ONE DOCTOR FOR THAT.
UNLESS YOU REPORT ALL THAT TO YOUR GP, NORE'S KEEPING TRACK OF HOW MANY MEDICATIONS YOU'RE ON.
>> THE CONTINUUM OF CARE IS NOT THERE, AND I THINK UNTIL WE ACHIEVE THAT WOULDN'T MACK ANY PROGRESS.
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