GWEN: WHAT'S GONE WRONG WITH THE SECRET SERVICE?
THE SECRET SERVICE?
AND WITH THE IRAN AND WITH THE IRAN NEGOTIATIONS?
NEGOTIATIONS?
AND WITH HILLARY'S EMAILS?
AND WITH HILLARY'S EMAILS?
PLENTY TO TALK ABOUT.
PLENTY TO TALK ABOUT.
GA, TH NEW RELATIONS ABT THEIR RELATIONS ABT THEIR BEHAVIOR ON DUTY A BEHAVIOR ON DUTY A ON CAPITOL HILL, 47 REPUBLICAN ON CAPITOL HILL, 47 REPUBLICAN SENATORS STAGE AN INTERNATIONAL SENATORS STAGE AN INTERNATIONAL REBELLION, SENDING A WARNING REBELLION, SENDING A WARNING LETTER TO IRAN.
LETTER TO IRAN.
>> IRAN'S LEADERS NEED TO >> IRAN'S LEADERS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT UNDER OUR UNDERSTAND THAT UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION, CONGRESS PLAYS A CONSTITUTION, CONGRESS PLAYS A CRITICAL ROLE IN APPROVING CRITICAL ROLE IN APPROVING INTEIONA AGRMENT INTEIONA AGRMENT >> MY REACTION TO THE LETTER >> MY REACTION TO THE LETTER WAS UTTER DISBELIEF.
WAS UTTER DISBELIEF.
CONFERENCEHILLARY CLTON CONFERENCEHILLARY CLTON PLAYS FENSE.
PLAYS FENSE.
>> I DID NOT EMAIL ANY >> I DID NOT EMAIL ANY CLASSIFIED MATERIAL TO ANYONE CLASSIFIED MATERIAL TO ANYONE THERE IS NO CLASSIFIED THERE IS NO CLASSIFIED MATERIAL.
MATERIAL.
GWEN: AND DEFENSE.
GWEN: AND DEFENSE.
>> WHEN I GOT TO WORK AS >> WHEN I GOT TO WORK AS SECRETARY OF STATE, I OPTED FOR SECRETARY OF STATE, I OPTED FOR CONVENIENCE TO USE MY PERSONAL CONVENIENCE TO USE MY PERSONAL EMAIL ACCOUNT.
EMAIL ACCOUNT.
GWEN: BUT WILL QUESTIONS ABOUT GWEN: BUT WILL QUESTIONS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY COMPLICATE HER BID TRANSPARENCY COMPLICATE HER BID FOR PR FOR PR COVERING THE WEEK, CAROL COVERING THE WEEK, CAROL LEONNIG, NATIONAL REPORTER FOR LEONNIG, NATIONAL REPORTER FOR "THE WASHINGTON POST," PETER "THE WASHINGTON POST," PETER BAKER, CHIEF WHITE HOUSE BAKER, CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR "THE NEW YORK CORRESPONDENT FOR "THE NEW YORK TIMES," AND JEFF ZELENY, SENIOR TIMES," AND JEFF ZELENY, SENIOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT FOR WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT FOR CNN.
CNN.
>> AWA-WINNING REPORTING HISTOR >> AWA-WINNING REPORTING HISTOR IT HAPPENS.ATION'S CAPITAL, IT HAPPENS.ATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH WEN IFILL.
ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
THE HITS JUST KEEP ON THE HITS JUST KEEP ON COMING.
COMING.
UNFORTUNATELY THE AGENCY TAKING UNFORTUNATELY THE AGENCY TAKING THE HITS IS THE U.S. SECRET THE HITS IS THE U.S. SECRET SERVICE, WHICH AMONG OTHER SERVICE, WHICH AMONG OTHER THINGS, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THINGS, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THE LEADER OF THE FREE KEEPING THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD SAFE.
WORLD SAFE.
IT'S ALSO AN AGENCY THAT JUST IT'S ALSO AN AGENCY THAT JUST GOT A NEW LEADER TO HELP THEM GOT A NEW LEADER TO HELP THEM RECOVER FROM EARLIER SETBACKS RECOVER FROM EARLIER SETBACKS THAT INCLUDED WHITE HOUSE THAT INCLUDED WHITE HOUSE BREACHES AND INTERNATIONAL BREACHES AND INTERNATIONAL INCIDENTS.
INCIDENTS.
CAROL LEONNIG, WHO'S BEEN CAROL LEONNIG, WHO'S BEEN BREAKING ALL THESE STORIES, WAS BREAKING ALL THESE STORIES, WAS ON THE CASE AGAIN THIS ON THE CASE AGAIN THIS WEEK.
WEEK.
RECAP FOR US WHAT HAPPENED IN RECAP FOR US WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS LATEST EPISODE ON MARCH THIS LATEST EPISODE ON MARCH 4.
4.
>> SO THE SECRET SERVICE HAS >> SO THE SECRET SERVICE HAS INVESTIGATED THAT THEY'RE INVESTIGATED THAT THEY'RE INVESTIGATING THIS AFTER WE INVESTIGATING THIS AFTER WE CAME TO THEM BAY WEEK LATER CAME TO THEM BAY WEEK LATER THAT TWO VERY, VERY SENIOR THAT TWO VERY, VERY SENIOR AGENTS, NOT RANK AND FILE BUT AGENTS, NOT RANK AND FILE BUT TWO OF THE HIGHEST RANKING TWO OF THE HIGHEST RANKING PEOPLE IN THE AGENCY WERE PEOPLE IN THE AGENCY WERE COMING BACK FROM A PARTY IN A COMING BACK FROM A PARTY IN A DOWNTOWN BAR, DROVE A DOWNTOWN BAR, DROVE A GOVERNMENT CAR ONTO THE WHITE GOVERNMENT CAR ONTO THE WHITE HOUSE GROUNDS, WENT THROUGH AN HOUSE GROUNDS, WENT THROUGH AN AREA THAT WAS THEN UNDERGOING AREA THAT WAS THEN UNDERGOING AN INVESTIGATION, A LIVE AN INVESTIGATION, A LIVE INVESTIGATION FOR A POSSIBLE INVESTIGATION FOR A POSSIBLE BOMB AND THAT THE OFFICERS, THE BOMB AND THAT THE OFFICERS, THE PALACE GUARDS, IF YOU WILL, PALACE GUARDS, IF YOU WILL, THAT PROTECT THE WHITE HOUSE, THAT PROTECT THE WHITE HOUSE, SUSPECTED VERY STRONGLY THAT SUSPECTED VERY STRONGLY THAT THE TWO MEN WERE INTOXICATED THE TWO MEN WERE INTOXICATED AND WANTED TO STOP THEM, AND WANTED TO STOP THEM, QUESTION THEM, AND POSSIBLY QUESTION THEM, AND POSSIBLY TEST THEM FOR SOBRIETY BUT WERE TEST THEM FOR SOBRIETY BUT WERE TOLD NOT TO.
TOLD NOT TO.
GWEN: BY?
GWEN: BY?
>> BY SUPERVISORS ON DECK, ON >> BY SUPERVISORS ON DECK, ON DUTY THAT NIGHT MUCH THE DUTY THAT NIGHT MUCH THE SERVICE SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SERVICE SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERGING THIS AND ALSO ASKING VERGING THIS AND ALSO ASKING THE -- INVESTIGATING THIS AND THE -- INVESTIGATING THIS AND ALSO ASKING THE DEPARTMENT OF ALSO ASKING THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, THE HOMELAND SECURITY, THE INSPECTOR GENERAL TO TAKE OVER INSPECTOR GENERAL TO TAKE OVER THE INVESTIGATION.
THE INVESTIGATION.
BUT WE'VE HEARD THESE BUT WE'VE HEARD THESE ALLEGATIONS AS WELL AS WE'RE ALLEGATIONS AS WELL AS WE'RE TAKING IT VERY SERIOUSLY.
TAKING IT VERY SERIOUSLY.
GWEN: HELP ME WITH THIS AGAIN.
GWEN: HELP ME WITH THIS AGAIN.
WERE THEY ON DUTY?
WERE THEY ON DUTY?
WERE THESE TWO SENIOR, WERE THESE TWO SENIOR, HIGH-RANKING GUYS ON DUTY HIGH-RANKING GUYS ON DUTY COMING BACK FROM THIS PARTY?
COMING BACK FROM THIS PARTY?
>> SO DUTY AT THE HEADQUARTERS >> SO DUTY AT THE HEADQUARTERS OF SECRET SERVICE IS TYPICALLY OF SECRET SERVICE IS TYPICALLY 9 TO 5:30.
9 TO 5:30.
THE PRESUMPTION IS THAT WE -- THE PRESUMPTION IS THAT WE -- THEY WERE NOT, THAT THEY WERE THEY WERE NOT, THAT THEY WERE AT A RETIREMENT PARTY AND HAD A AT A RETIREMENT PARTY AND HAD A GREAT TIME AT THE PARTY.
GREAT TIME AT THE PARTY.
THE PROBLEM IS THE SECRET THE PROBLEM IS THE SECRET SERVICE LIKE MOST GOVERNMENT SERVICE LIKE MOST GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, BUT THE SERVICE HAS A AGENCIES, BUT THE SERVICE HAS A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD FOR THIS, MUCH HIGHER STANDARD FOR THIS, THE USE OF A GOVERNMENT CAR FOR THE USE OF A GOVERNMENT CAR FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A BUSINESS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A BUSINESS PURPOSE IS AN AUTOMATIC PURPOSE IS AN AUTOMATIC VIOLATION.
VIOLATION.
GETTING IN THE CAR WITH?
GETTING IN THE CAR WITH?
I ALCOHOL IN YOUR SYSTEM, ALSO I ALCOHOL IN YOUR SYSTEM, ALSO AUTOMATIC VIOLATION.
AUTOMATIC VIOLATION.
SO IT WILL BE HARD TO TELL SO IT WILL BE HARD TO TELL ULTIMATELY BECAUSE THERE WERE ULTIMATELY BECAUSE THERE WERE NO SOBRIETY TESTS, WHAT EXACTLY NO SOBRIETY TESTS, WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED IN TERMS OF THEIR HAPPENED IN TERMS OF THEIR LEVEL OF DRINKING THAT NIGHT, LEVEL OF DRINKING THAT NIGHT, ALTHOUGH I'M HEARING THAT THE ALTHOUGH I'M HEARING THAT THE INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN VERY INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN VERY THROW, THAT THERE IS A LOOK AT THROW, THAT THERE IS A LOOK AT EVEN THE BILLS FOR THAT NIGHT EVEN THE BILLS FOR THAT NIGHT FOR DRINKSS AT THE BAR.
FOR DRINKSS AT THE BAR.
>> CAROL, WE DIDN'T LEARN ABOUT >> CAROL, WE DIDN'T LEARN ABOUT IT UNTIL YOU TOLD US ABOUT IT IT UNTIL YOU TOLD US ABOUT IT IN THE NEWSPAPER.
IN THE NEWSPAPER.
WHEN DID MR. CLANCY, THE NEW WHEN DID MR. CLANCY, THE NEW DIRECTOR OF THE SECRET SERVICE, DIRECTOR OF THE SECRET SERVICE, LEARN ABOUT IT?
LEARN ABOUT IT?
>> REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
>> REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
THE DIRECTOR TOLD LAW MAKERS THE DIRECTOR TOLD LAW MAKERS AND CONFIRMED TO US TODAY THAT AND CONFIRMED TO US TODAY THAT HE LEARNED ABOUT THIS MONDAY, A HE LEARNED ABOUT THIS MONDAY, A GOOD FIVE DAYS AFTER THE EVENT GOOD FIVE DAYS AFTER THE EVENT HAPPENED.
HAPPENED.
THAT'S CAUSED A LOT OF THAT'S CAUSED A LOT OF CONSTERNATION NOT JUST FOR HIM, CONSTERNATION NOT JUST FOR HIM, BUT ALSO FOR LAWMAKERS WHO ARE BUT ALSO FOR LAWMAKERS WHO ARE SAYING IF YOU'RE THE NEW SAYING IF YOU'RE THE NEW DIRECTOR TAKING OVER IN THE DIRECTOR TAKING OVER IN THE WAKE OF ALL THESE PROBLEMS, IF WAKE OF ALL THESE PROBLEMS, IF THIS IS WHEN PRESIDENT SECRET THIS IS WHEN PRESIDENT SECRET SERVICE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON SERVICE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ON ITS P'S AND Q'S, WHY ARE YOU ITS P'S AND Q'S, WHY ARE YOU JUST LEARNING THIS SO LATE?
JUST LEARNING THIS SO LATE?
THAT'S STILL TO BE ANSWERED AND THAT'S STILL TO BE ANSWERED AND HE SAID HE'S STILL LOOKING INTO HE SAID HE'S STILL LOOKING INTO THAT.
THAT.
>> HE'S GOING TO THE HILL >> HE'S GOING TO THE HILL OBVIOUSLY NEXT WEEK AND OBVIOUSLY NEXT WEEK AND OBVIOUSLY WILL TAKE TOUGH OBVIOUSLY WILL TAKE TOUGH QUESTIONS ON THIS.
QUESTIONS ON THIS.
BUT HE WAS GOING TO BE THE BUT HE WAS GOING TO BE THE DIRECTOR WHO WAS GOING TO DIRECTOR WHO WAS GOING TO REFORM THE HAVE.
REFORM THE HAVE.
IS THERE ANY CHANCE OF THAT IS THERE ANY CHANCE OF THAT NOW?
NOW?
DOES HE EVEN HAD -- HAVE A HOPE DOES HE EVEN HAD -- HAVE A HOPE OF DOING THAT?
OF DOING THAT?
HOW DO YOU THINK HE STANDS NOW HOW DO YOU THINK HE STANDS NOW AND IS REFORM POSSIBLE M AND IS REFORM POSSIBLE M >> SO, THAT IS SO INTERESTING >> SO, THAT IS SO INTERESTING BECAUSE I THINK HE HAS HUGE BECAUSE I THINK HE HAS HUGE SUPPORT IN THE FORM OF THE SUPPORT IN THE FORM OF THE PRESIDENT AND THE FIRST DOWN -- PRESIDENT AND THE FIRST DOWN -- FIRST LADY, PRESIDENT OBAMA THE FIRST LADY, PRESIDENT OBAMA THE GWEN: HE WAS THE PRESIDENT'S GWEN: HE WAS THE PRESIDENT'S PERSONAL GUARD?
PERSONAL GUARD?
>> YES, AT THE BEGINNING WHEN >> YES, AT THE BEGINNING WHEN THE PRESIDENT WAS LEARNING TO THE PRESIDENT WAS LEARNING TO BE THE PRESIDENT.
BE THE PRESIDENT.
2009-2011, HE WAS A STEADY 2009-2011, HE WAS A STEADY HAND.
HAND.
PEOPLE CALL THIS GUY FATHER PEOPLE CALL THIS GUY FATHER JOE.
JOE.
HE'S GOT A WONDERFUL REPUTATION HE'S GOT A WONDERFUL REPUTATION IN TERMS OF HIS INTEGRITY.
IN TERMS OF HIS INTEGRITY.
THAT IS IN HIS FAVOR.
THAT IS IN HIS FAVOR.
WHAT IS NOT IN HIS FAVOR IS WHAT IS NOT IN HIS FAVOR IS THAT AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE THAT AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATION INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATION INDEPENDENT PANEL THAT LOOKS -- LOOKED AT PANEL THAT LOOKS -- LOOKED AT WHO SHOULD BE THE NEW DIRECTOR WHO SHOULD BE THE NEW DIRECTOR SAID YOU NEED SOMEBODY FROM THE SAID YOU NEED SOMEBODY FROM THE OUTSIDE.
OUTSIDE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE SOMEBODY SO YOU CAN'T HAVE SOMEBODY SO CLOSE TO THIS GROUP.
CLOSE TO THIS GROUP.
HE'S A 27-YEAR VETERAN AND HE HE'S A 27-YEAR VETERAN AND HE IS FRIENDS WITH ONE OF THE MEN IS FRIENDS WITH ONE OF THE MEN WHO IS UNDER INVESTIGATION.
WHO IS UNDER INVESTIGATION.
GWEN: IS THERE GWEN: IS THERE PROBLEM THAT IS SO PERVASIVE?
PROBLEM THAT IS SO PERVASIVE?
YOU COVER THE AGENCY.
YOU COVER THE AGENCY.
SHOULD WE AS CITIZENS BE SHOULD WE AS CITIZENS BE WORRIED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE WORRIED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE FIRST FAMILY?
FIRST FAMILY?
>> WHAT I WORRY ABOUT AFTER >> WHAT I WORRY ABOUT AFTER COVERING THIS FOR A WHILE IS COVERING THIS FOR A WHILE IS THAT NEARLY EVER -- EVERY THAT NEARLY EVER -- EVERY PERSON WHO HAS COME TO MY FROM PERSON WHO HAS COME TO MY FROM INSIDE THE AGENCY AND PEOPLE INSIDE THE AGENCY AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE RECENTLY LEFT SAY THAT WHO HAVE RECENTLY LEFT SAY THAT THERE IS A CULTURE OF SENIOR, THERE IS A CULTURE OF SENIOR, SENIOR PEOPLE FEELING THAT SENIOR PEOPLE FEELING THAT THEY'RE ABOVE THE LAW, THEY'RE ABOVE THE LAW, UNTOUCHABLE, THAT MARRY "MADE," UNTOUCHABLE, THAT MARRY "MADE," ND THAT THAT -- THAT THEY'RE ND THAT THAT -- THAT THEY'RE "MADE," AND THAT COULD LEAD TO "MADE," AND THAT COULD LEAD TO SIGNIFICANT RISKS FOR THE SIGNIFICANT RISKS FOR THE PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT.
IF UP THINK YOU'RE NOT GOING TO IF UP THINK YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE FOR ANYTHING, GET IN TROUBLE FOR ANYTHING, THINGS CAN GO WRONG.
THINGS CAN GO WRONG.
>> WHAT DO THE PRESIDENT AND >> WHAT DO THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY THINK?
FIRST LADY THINK?
YOU SAID THEY HAVE CONFIDENCE YOU SAID THEY HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE DIRECTOR, BUT IT MUST BE IN THE DIRECTOR, BUT IT MUST BE DISCONCERTING FOR THEM TO HAVE DISCONCERTING FOR THEM TO HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS AGAIN AND GONE THROUGH THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
AGAIN AND AGAIN.
>> WHEN THE PRESIDENT SAID HE >> WHEN THE PRESIDENT SAID HE WAS DISAPPOINTED, I THINK THERE WAS DISAPPOINTED, I THINK THERE WAS PROBABLY A STRONGER WORD WAS PROBABLY A STRONGER WORD THAT HE WAS CONSIDERING.
THAT HE WAS CONSIDERING.
HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE GO HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE GO THROUGH?
THROUGH?
I INTERVIEWED CESSMAN I INTERVIEWED CESSMAN CUMMINGS TODAY, RANKING MEMBER CUMMINGS TODAY, RANKING MEMBER OF THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT AND OF THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM COMMITTEE AND GOVERNMENT REFORM COMMITTEE AND HE SAID I DO NOT -- DO NOT WANT HE SAID I DO NOT -- DO NOT WANT YOU AND I TO BE TALKING ABOUT YOU AND I TO BE TALKING ABOUT ANY MORE OF THESE INCIDENTS ANY MORE OF THESE INCIDENTS EVER AGAIN AFTER THIS, NOT EVER AGAIN AFTER THIS, NOT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE TALKING TO BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE TALKING TO YOU BUT BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT'S YOU BUT BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT'S LIFE IS ON THE LIFE -- LINE.
LIFE IS ON THE LIFE -- LINE.
PRETTY STRONG SAY.
PRETTY STRONG SAY.
.
.
-- STATEMENT.
-- STATEMENT.
GWEN: -- GWEN: -- GWEN: AND THIS TAKES US BACK TO GWEN: AND THIS TAKES US BACK TO WHEN THE STORIES FIRST BROKE, WHEN THE STORIES FIRST BROKE, IT WAS IN COLOMBIA AND THE IT WAS IN COLOMBIA AND THE QUESTION OF PROSTITUTION AND QUESTION OF PROSTITUTION AND THEN THE BREACH AT THE WHITE THEN THE BREACH AT THE WHITE HOUSE, SOMEONE GETTING IN THE HOUSE, SOMEONE GETTING IN THE FRONT DOOR.
FRONT DOOR.
IT'S BEEN QUITE A SERIES OF IT'S BEEN QUITE A SERIES OF INCIDENTS.
INCIDENTS.
SOME INTERNATIONAL.
SOME INTERNATIONAL.
GWEN: AND SPEAKING OF GWEN: AND SPEAKING OF INTERNATIONAL INCIDENTS, 47 INTERNATIONAL INCIDENTS, 47 REPUBLICAN SENATORS SET OUT TO REPUBLICAN SENATORS SET OUT TO CREATE ONE OF THEIR OWN THIS CREATE ONE OF THEIR OWN THIS WEEK, BREAKING PROTOCOL AND WEEK, BREAKING PROTOCOL AND ENRAGING THE WHITE HOUSE BY ENRAGING THE WHITE HOUSE BY SENDING A LETTER TO IRAN, SENDING A LETTER TO IRAN, ASKING THEM TO STEP AWAY FROM ASKING THEM TO STEP AWAY FROM NUCLEAR NEGOTIATIONS.
NUCLEAR NEGOTIATIONS.
THEIR ARGUMENT THAT ANY DEAL THEIR ARGUMENT THAT ANY DEAL THE U.S. AGREES TO COULD BE THE U.S. AGREES TO COULD BE NULL AND VOID ONCE THIS NULL AND VOID ONCE THIS DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT LEAVES DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT LEAVES OFFICE IN 2017.
OFFICE IN 2017.
THE RINGLEADER WAS ARKANSAS THE RINGLEADER WAS ARKANSAS FRESHMAN TOM COTTON.
FRESHMAN TOM COTTON.
>> THE DEAL THAT IS EMERGING >> THE DEAL THAT IS EMERGING WOULD ALLOW IRAN TO DEVELOP A WOULD ALLOW IRAN TO DEVELOP A PATH TOWARDS A NUCLEAR WEAPON, PATH TOWARDS A NUCLEAR WEAPON, AND THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE AND THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE IT'S TOO DANGEROUS TO BECAUSE IT'S TOO DANGEROUS TO THE UNITED STATES AND TOO THE UNITED STATES AND TOO DANGEROUS TO THE WORLD.
DANGEROUS TO THE WORLD.
GWEN: THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION GWEN: THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DID NOT TAKE THIS LIGHTLY.
DID NOT TAKE THIS LIGHTLY.
>> THIS LETTER IGNORES MORE >> THIS LETTER IGNORES MORE THAN TWO CENTURIES OF PRECEDENT THAN TWO CENTURIES OF PRECEDENT IN THE CONDUCT OF AMERICAN IN THE CONDUCT OF AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY.
FOREIGN POLICY.
>> I THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT IRONIC >> I THINK IT'S SOMEWHAT IRONIC TO SEE SOME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO SEE SOME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WANTING TO MAKE COMMON CAUSE WANTING TO MAKE COMMON CAUSE WITH THE HARD-LINERS IN WITH THE HARD-LINERS IN IRAN.
IRAN.
IT'S AN UNUSUAL COALITION.
IT'S AN UNUSUAL COALITION.
GWEN: THE PRINCE OF GWEN: THE PRINCE OF UNDERSTATEMENT, THE UNUSUAL UNDERSTATEMENT, THE UNUSUAL COALITION.
COALITION.
JOHN KERRYD ENTED.
JOHN KERRYD ENTED.
HOW UNPRECEDENTED WAS IT HOW UNPRECEDENTED WAS IT REALLY?
REALLY?
>> IT'S NOT THAT RARE FOR >> IT'S NOT THAT RARE FOR LEADERS TO INTERESTER POSE IN LEADERS TO INTERESTER POSE IN FOREIGN POLICY.
FOREIGN POLICY.
BUT YOU'VE SEEN INSTANCES IN BUT YOU'VE SEEN INSTANCES IN THE PAST -- GEORGE MCGOVERN THE PAST -- GEORGE MCGOVERN WENT TO CUBA, NANCY PELLOSE AYE WENT TO CUBA, NANCY PELLOSE AYE -- PELOSI WENT TO SYRIA, JESSE -- PELOSI WENT TO SYRIA, JESSE HELMS WROTE A LETTER ON THE HELMS WROTE A LETTER ON THE FRONT PAGE OF A PAPER IN MOSCOW FRONT PAGE OF A PAPER IN MOSCOW JUST AS THE PRESIDENT LANDED TO JUST AS THE PRESIDENT LANDED TO NEGOTIATE A DEAL.
NEGOTIATE A DEAL.
GWEN: I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.
GWEN: I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.
>> HE SAID THIS IS A LAME DUCK >> HE SAID THIS IS A LAME DUCK AND IT'S DEAD ON ARRIVAL, DON'T AND IT'S DEAD ON ARRIVAL, DON'T NEGOTIATE.
NEGOTIATE.
BUT THIS IS OUT OF THE BUT THIS IS OUT OF THE ORDINARY, ESPECIALLY FOR 47 TO ORDINARY, ESPECIALLY FOR 47 TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
IT UPSET THE WHITE HOUSE AND IT UPSET THE WHITE HOUSE AND PEOPLE ON CAPITOL HILL WHO WANT PEOPLE ON CAPITOL HILL WHO WANT TO QUESTION WHAT THE PRESIDENT TO QUESTION WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS DOING, WHAT -- WHO ACTUALLY IS DOING, WHAT -- WHO ACTUALLY DON'T THINK HE IS MAKING THE DON'T THINK HE IS MAKING THE BEST DEAL BUT WONDER IF THIS IS BEST DEAL BUT WONDER IF THIS IS TOO PARTISAN.
TOO PARTISAN.
GWEN: HOW DID TOM COTTON GET GWEN: HOW DID TOM COTTON GET THIS BALL ROLLING?
THIS BALL ROLLING?
>> IT'S A GOOD YES, RIGHT.
>> IT'S A GOOD YES, RIGHT.
APPARENTLY, GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR APPARENTLY, GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR BEING DOGGED.
BEING DOGGED.
HE JUST WORKED THE CAUCUS, HE HE JUST WORKED THE CAUCUS, HE WAS WALKING AROUND WITH THE WAS WALKING AROUND WITH THE LETTER AND GETTING PEOPLE TO LETTER AND GETTING PEOPLE TO SIGN UP.
SIGN UP.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T FULLY PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT FULLY PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY WERE SIGNING AND THINK THEY WERE SIGNING AND THINK THROUGH THE LONG-TERM THROUGH THE LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES.
CONSEQUENCES.
THERE IS SOME REGRET ON THE THERE IS SOME REGRET ON THE PART OF SOME REPUBLICANS WHO PART OF SOME REPUBLICANS WHO SIGNED IT.
SIGNED IT.
IT'S A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD IT'S A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD LETTER.
LETTER.
IT SAYS THIS IS HOW THE SYSTEM IT SAYS THIS IS HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS, THE PRESIDENT HAS TO WORKS, THE PRESIDENT HAS TO SUBMIT A TREATY.
SUBMIT A TREATY.
GWEN: TO CONGRESS?
GWEN: TO CONGRESS?
>> TO CONGRESS AND THEN THE >> TO CONGRESS AND THEN THE CONGRESS CAN VOTE ON IT.
CONGRESS CAN VOTE ON IT.
SO IT'S PRESENTED AS A FACTUAL SO IT'S PRESENTED AS A FACTUAL STATEMENT RATHER -- RATHER THAN STATEMENT RATHER -- RATHER THAN -- -- GWEN: BUT WITH A POINT OF VIEW?
GWEN: BUT WITH A POINT OF VIEW?
>> IT'S GOT A POINT OF VIEW.
>> IT'S GOT A POINT OF VIEW.
THAT'S THE ULTIMATE MESSAGE.
THAT'S THE ULTIMATE MESSAGE.
>> THE PROBLEM IS WHO IT WAS >> THE PROBLEM IS WHO IT WAS DWREASED TO.
DWREASED TO.
IT WASN'T TO THE AMERICAN IT WASN'T TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SAYING HEY, CONGRESS PEOPLE SAYING HEY, CONGRESS HAYS ROLE HERE.
HAYS ROLE HERE.
BUT CONGRESS IS SO SKEPTICAL OF BUT CONGRESS IS SO SKEPTICAL OF THE DEAL THAT'S BEEN IN THE THE DEAL THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS ANYWAY.
WORKS ANYWAY.
SO MANY DEMOCRATS ARE OPPOSED SO MANY DEMOCRATS ARE OPPOSED TO THE DEAL.
TO THE DEAL.
THEY HAD A VETO PROOF MAJORITY THEY HAD A VETO PROOF MAJORITY ALMOST.
ALMOST.
WHAT IS -- AFTER SENDING THIS WHAT IS -- AFTER SENDING THIS LETTER, HAS IT BLOWN UP THE LETTER, HAS IT BLOWN UP THE BIPARTISAN DEAL?
BIPARTISAN DEAL?
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND THAT'S THE RISK.
THAT'S THE RISK.
THE PRESIDENT AND JOHN KERRY I THE PRESIDENT AND JOHN KERRY I THINK WERE GENUINELY ANGRY THINK WERE GENUINELY ANGRY ABOUT THIS BUT THERE IS ALSO A ABOUT THIS BUT THERE IS ALSO A STRAIN, THEY WON'T SAY IT ON STRAIN, THEY WON'T SAY IT ON THE RECORD, BUT THAT THEY'RE THE RECORD, BUT THAT THEY'RE HAPPY ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT HAPPY ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT GIVES THEM LEVERAGE TO SAY TO GIVES THEM LEVERAGE TO SAY TO THE DEMOCRATS, YOU DON'T WANT THE DEMOCRATS, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF THIS, YOU ARE TO BE PART OF THIS, YOU ARE WITH US EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE WITH US EVEN IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS DEAL.
THIS DEAL.
AND MCCAIN AND BOB MENENDEZ, A AND MCCAIN AND BOB MENENDEZ, A LOT OF FOLKS WHO HAVE OPPOSED LOT OF FOLKS WHO HAVE OPPOSED THE ADMINISTRATION'S HANDLING THE ADMINISTRATION'S HANDLING OF THIS WERE VERY UPSET ABOUT OF THIS WERE VERY UPSET ABOUT THIS.
THIS.
IT DOES HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF IT DOES HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF MAKING WHAT HAD BEEN A MAKING WHAT HAD BEEN A BIPARTISAN COALITION A LITTLE BIPARTISAN COALITION A LITTLE BIT PARTISAN AGAIN.
BIT PARTISAN AGAIN.
>> WHAT ABOUT THE LEGAL >> WHAT ABOUT THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK?
FRAMEWORK?
WHERE DOES THIS FIT IN LAW?
WHERE DOES THIS FIT IN LAW?
>> THERE IS A LAW CALLED THE >> THERE IS A LAW CALLED THE LOGAN ACT, MUCH DISCUSSED IN LOGAN ACT, MUCH DISCUSSED IN WASHINGTON, NEVER ENFORCED.
WASHINGTON, NEVER ENFORCED.
IT WAS PASSED IN 1799 WHEN JOHN IT WAS PASSED IN 1799 WHEN JOHN ADAMS WAS PRESIDENT AND IT SAYS ADAMS WAS PRESIDENT AND IT SAYS NO PRIVATE CITIZEN, NOBODY BUT NO PRIVATE CITIZEN, NOBODY BUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES CAN CONDUCT NEGOTIATIONS STATES CAN CONDUCT NEGOTIATIONS INFLUENCE THEIR ACTIONS OR INFLUENCE THEIR ACTIONS OR OPPOSE AMERICAN INTERESTS.
OPPOSE AMERICAN INTERESTS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON A LOT OF PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON TODAY, DEMOCRATS ESPECIALLY, TODAY, DEMOCRATS ESPECIALLY, WERE SAYING THIS IS A WERE SAYING THIS IS A VIOLATION.
VIOLATION.
THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.
THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.
277,000 PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED A 277,000 PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED A PETITION ASKING THE WHITE HOUSE PETITION ASKING THE WHITE HOUSE 7 SENATORS.
7 SENATORS.
I THINK WE CAN GUESS RIGHT NOW I THINK WE CAN GUESS RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
ONLY ONE PERSON HAS EVER BEEN ONLY ONE PERSON HAS EVER BEEN INDICTED FOR THIS.
INDICTED FOR THIS.
THAT WAS 1803 AND HE WASN'T THAT WAS 1803 AND HE WASN'T CONVICTED.
CONVICTED.
PROBABLY NOT A EXECUTION -- PROBABLY NOT A EXECUTION -- CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.
BUT OUR STANDARD IS ONLY THE BUT OUR STANDARD IS ONLY THE PRESIDENT SO BE NEGOTIATING PRESIDENT SO BE NEGOTIATING WITH FOREIGN POWERS.
WITH FOREIGN POWERS.
GWEN: AS SOON AS THIS LETTER GWEN: AS SOON AS THIS LETTER GOT TO THE PERSON IT WAS INDEND GOT TO THE PERSON IT WAS INDEND - INTENDED TO, DID IRAN DO - INTENDED TO, DID IRAN DO ANYTHING TO EXPLOIT IT?
ANYTHING TO EXPLOIT IT?
>> IT WASN'T ACTUALLY SENT TO >> IT WASN'T ACTUALLY SENT TO THEM.
THEM.
IT WAS STYLED AS AN OPEN LETTER IT WAS STYLED AS AN OPEN LETTER ON A WEB SITE.
ON A WEB SITE.
THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WOULD THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WOULD MAKE PROSECUTION PROBLEMATIC.
MAKE PROSECUTION PROBLEMATIC.
I THINK SENATOR COTTON DID I THINK SENATOR COTTON DID TWEET IT AYATOLLAH BUT I TWEET IT AYATOLLAH BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COUNTS.
DON'T KNOW IF THAT COUNTS.
BUT IRAN DID SAY THIS IS A SIGN BUT IRAN DID SAY THIS IS A SIGN OF THE DECLINE OF AMERICA AND OF THE DECLINE OF AMERICA AND THAN THEY WILL BACKSTAB US.
THAN THEY WILL BACKSTAB US.
THE QUESTION IS WILL IT BLOW UP THE QUESTION IS WILL IT BLOW UP THE TALKS?
THE TALKS?
THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS LOOK, WE THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS LOOK, WE DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BLOW DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BLOW UP THE TALKS BUT IF THEY FAIL UP THE TALKS BUT IF THEY FAIL IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT HARDER IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR US TO BLAME THE IRINIANS FOR US TO BLAME THE IRINIANS BECAUSE THEY'LL SAY IT'S REALLY BECAUSE THEY'LL SAY IT'S REALLY CONGRESS' FAULT.
CONGRESS' FAULT.
GWEN: DO WE KNOW WHERE THE GWEN: DO WE KNOW WHERE THE TAUNGS STAND?
TAUNGS STAND?
JOHN K WAY BACK, JOHN K WAY BACK, RIGHT?
RIGHT?
>> HE'S ON HIS WAY BACK.
>> HE'S ON HIS WAY BACK.
THEY'VE GOT AN END OF MARCH THEY'VE GOT AN END OF MARCH DEADLINE AND THEY FEEL LIKE DEADLINE AND THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE CLOSE.
THEY'RE CLOSE.
GWEN: BOTH SIDES?
GWEN: BOTH SIDES?
>> YES.
>> YES.
EVENTUAL FOREIGN MINISTER OF EVENTUAL FOREIGN MINISTER OF IRAN HAS SCUGGED -- SUGGESTED IRAN HAS SCUGGED -- SUGGESTED THEY'RE GETTING CLOSER.
THEY'RE GETTING CLOSER.
BUT GETTING THAT LAST 5 OR 10 BUT GETTING THAT LAST 5 OR 10 YARDS IS OFTEN THE HARDEST.
YARDS IS OFTEN THE HARDEST.
GWEN: OK. GWEN: OK.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
SHE HASN'T ANNOUNCED YET,THAT SHE HASN'T ANNOUNCED YET,THAT SHE'S REALLY RUNNING FOR SHE'S REALLY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT.
BUT ALREADY HILLARY CLINTON IS BUT ALREADY HILLARY CLINTON IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIRST IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIRST FULL-SCALE POLITICAL DRAMA OF FULL-SCALE POLITICAL DRAMA OF THE 2016 SEASON.
THE 2016 SEASON.
COMPLETE WITH SECRETS, COMPLETE WITH SECRETS, QUESTIONS ABOUT TRUST AND QUESTIONS ABOUT TRUST AND TRANSPARENCY, AND A NEWS TRANSPARENCY, AND A NEWS CONFERENCE THAT SEEMED TO LEAVE CONFERENCE THAT SEEMED TO LEAVE MORE QUESTIONS THAN IT MORE QUESTIONS THAN IT ANSWERED.
ANSWERED.
>> LOOKING BACK, IT WOULD HAVE >> LOOKING BACK, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF I'D SIMPLY USED BEEN BETTER IF I'D SIMPLY USED A SECOND EMAIL ACCOUNT AND A SECOND EMAIL ACCOUNT AND CARRIED A SECOND PHONE, BUT AT CARRIED A SECOND PHONE, BUT AT ISSUE.
ISSUE.
GWEN: WELL, WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING GWEN: WELL, WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, EVERYTHING CAN FOR PRESIDENT, EVERYTHING CAN BE AN ISSUE, AND THE QUESTION BE AN ISSUE, AND THE QUESTION OF WHAT IS CONTAINED IN THE OF WHAT IS CONTAINED IN THE 50,000-PLUS PAGES OF EMAILS 50,000-PLUS PAGES OF EMAILS HILLARY CLINTON HAS TURNED OVER HILLARY CLINTON HAS TURNED OVER TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE PRESUMABLY MANY MORE THAT SHE PRESUMABLY MANY MORE THAT SHE DELETED FROM HER PRIVATE E MAIL DELETED FROM HER PRIVATE E MAIL SERVER REMAINS A LIVE ONE.
SERVER REMAINS A LIVE ONE.
FIRST OF ALL, BOTTOM LINE, DID FIRST OF ALL, BOTTOM LINE, DID HILLARY CLINTON BREAK THE HILLARY CLINTON BREAK THE RULES?
RULES?
JEFF?
JEFF?
>> SHE SKIRTED THE RULES AT THE >> SHE SKIRTED THE RULES AT THE VERYTANDING IN THE ROOM JUST VERYTANDING IN THE ROOM JUST ABOUT 10 FEET FROM HER AT THAT ABOUT 10 FEET FROM HER AT THAT SORT OF RAUCOUS PRESS SORT OF RAUCOUS PRESS CONFERENCE AND SHE STRUCK NE AS CONFERENCE AND SHE STRUCK NE AS HILLARY CLINTON, THE LAWYER.
HILLARY CLINTON, THE LAWYER.
SHE WAS ANSWERING QUESTIONS IN SHE WAS ANSWERING QUESTIONS IN VERY SPECIFIC LEGAL TERMS, VERY SPECIFIC LEGAL TERMS, READING FROM A PREPARED READING FROM A PREPARED STATEMENT.
STATEMENT.
THE RULES, AS WE FOUND OUT THIS THE RULES, AS WE FOUND OUT THIS WEEK, ARE ENTIRELY WEEK, ARE ENTIRELY INCONSISTENT, CRAZILY SO ACROSS INCONSISTENT, CRAZILY SO ACROSS THE ADMINISTRATION.
THE ADMINISTRATION.
THE WHITE HOUSE REQUIRES PEOPLE THE WHITE HOUSE REQUIRES PEOPLE TO PRESERVE AND SAVE TO PRESERVE AND SAVE EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING.
OTHER AGENCIES, NOT QUITE AS OTHER AGENCIES, NOT QUITE AS MUCH.
MUCH.
SO IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT SHE SO IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT SHE BROKE ANY LAW, BUT CLEARLY THE BROKE ANY LAW, BUT CLEARLY THE SPIRIT OF THE POLICY OF SPIRIT OF THE POLICY OF RETAINING THINGS AND SET UPPING RETAINING THINGS AND SET UPPING THIS PRIVATE EMAIL RAISED SO THIS PRIVATE EMAIL RAISED SO MANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE SHE MADE MANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE SHE MADE THAT DECISION ON HER OWN RIGHT THAT DECISION ON HER OWN RIGHT BEFORE SHE BECAME SECRETARY OF BEFORE SHE BECAME SECRETARY OF STATE IN JANUARY 2009, TO KET STATE IN JANUARY 2009, TO KET -- SET UP THIS PRIVATE SERVER.
-- SET UP THIS PRIVATE SERVER.
THAT WAS A DECISION THAT SHE THAT WAS A DECISION THAT SHE MADE, SO -- SHE'S TRYING TO MADE, SO -- SHE'S TRYING TO COMPARE HERSELF TO COLIN POWELL COMPARE HERSELF TO COLIN POWELL AND OTHERS.
AND OTHERS.
SHE'S THE FIRST ONE WHO HAS NOT SHE'S THE FIRST ONE WHO HAS NOT EVEN HAD A STATE.GOV ADDRESS.
EVEN HAD A STATE.GOV ADDRESS.
AND EMPLE -- EMAIL TECHNOLOGY AND EMPLE -- EMAIL TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED SO MUCH FROM THESE HAS CHANGED SO MUCH FROM THESE OTHERS THAT THE COMPARISONS ARE OTHERS THAT THE COMPARISONS ARE NOT THAT RELEVANT THE NOT THAT RELEVANT THE GWEN: HERE'S THE OTHER THING.
GWEN: HERE'S THE OTHER THING.
SHE SAYS FOR CONVENIENCE SHE SHE SAYS FOR CONVENIENCE SHE ONLY USED ONE DEVICE.
ONLY USED ONE DEVICE.
LET'SEN TO HER AT A SILLISON LET'SEN TO HER AT A SILLISON VALLEY CONFERENCE.
VALLEY CONFERENCE.
>> I DON'T THROW ANYTHING >> I DON'T THROW ANYTHING AWAY.
AWAY.
I'M LIKE TWO STEPS SHORT OF A I'M LIKE TWO STEPS SHORT OF A HOARDER.
HOARDER.
SO I HAVE A, YOU KNOW, AN IPAD, SO I HAVE A, YOU KNOW, AN IPAD, A MINI IPAD, AN IPHONE AND A A MINI IPAD, AN IPHONE AND A BLACKBERRY.
BLACKBERRY.
GWEN: NOW, IT'S POSSIBLE THIS GWEN: NOW, IT'S POSSIBLE THIS IS SINCE SHE LEFT THE STATE IS SINCE SHE LEFT THE STATE DEPARTMENT.
DEPARTMENT.
BUT THE IDEA THAT SHE'S A BUT THE IDEA THAT SHE'S A HOARDER?
HOARDER?
AND WE FIND OUT ALL THESE AND WE FIND OUT ALL THESE EMAILS ARE MISSING?
EMAILS ARE MISSING?
>> I ASKED A CLINTON PERSON >> I ASKED A CLINTON PERSON ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY AND ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY AND THEY SAY SHE ONLY WITH -- HAD THEY SAY SHE ONLY WITH -- HAD ONE DEVICE SINCE -- AS ONE DEVICE SINCE -- AS SECRETARY OF STATE.
SECRETARY OF STATE.
SHE GOT THE I PHONES SINCE SHE SHE GOT THE I PHONES SINCE SHE LEFT.
LEFT.
THAT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.
THAT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.
BUT THE MOST DAMAGING THING OR BUT THE MOST DAMAGING THING OR THE ISSUE THAT RAISE THE -- THE ISSUE THAT RAISE THE -- RAISED THE MOST QUESTIONS IS RAISED THE MOST QUESTIONS IS THE IDEA THAT SHE WAS POLICING THE IDEA THAT SHE WAS POLICING THIS HERSELF AND SHE DECIDED THIS HERSELF AND SHE DECIDED WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO HAND OVER WHAT SHE WAS GOING TO HAND OVER THE -- TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT THE -- TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT SHE WASN'T.
AND WHAT SHE WASN'T.
62,320 EMAILS.
62,320 EMAILS.
30,000 WERE DEEMED GOVERNMENT 30,000 WERE DEEMED GOVERNMENT RELATE THE.
RELATE THE.
31,000 SHE DEEMED PRIVATELY 31,000 SHE DEEMED PRIVATELY REALITIED.
REALITIED.
WHAT'S IN THE PRIVATE ONES?
WHAT'S IN THE PRIVATE ONES?
IS THAT A POLITICAL DISCUSSION?
IS THAT A POLITICAL DISCUSSION?
IS SHE HAVING A DISCUSSION IS SHE HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NE ABOUT THE NE RIVAL?
RIVAL?
ON.
NY THINGS WERE GOING ON.
NY THINGS WERE GOING AND HOW DID THEY DETERMINE AND HOW DID THEY DETERMINE WHICH ONES TO TURN OVER?
WHICH ONES TO TURN OVER?
THEY WERE SEARCHING BY TOP THEY WERE SEARCHING BY TOP AIDES AND USING ANYTHING WITH AIDES AND USING ANYTHING WITH BENG AZZI IN IT -- BENGHAZI IN BENG AZZI IN IT -- BENGHAZI IN ITLI ITLI >> TO BE COMPLEAR -- CLEAR, >> TO BE COMPLEAR -- CLEAR, YOU'RE SAYING SHE SEARCHED FOR YOU'RE SAYING SHE SEARCHED FOR BENG HAWESY AND SAVED THOSE -- BENG HAWESY AND SAVED THOSE -- BENGHAZI AND SAVED THOSE?
BENGHAZI AND SAVED THOSE?
RIGHT?
RIGHT?
>> R50EU79 >> R50EU79 >> THIS HAS REALLY TAKEN ON >> THIS HAS REALLY TAKEN ON LEGS THOUGH.
LEGS THOUGH.
WHY?
WHY?
IS IT SPECIFIC TO THE CLINTONS?
IS IT SPECIFIC TO THE CLINTONS?
DOES IT HAVE LONG-TERM IMPACT?
DOES IT HAVE LONG-TERM IMPACT?
>> PART OF IT IS HER FAMILY, OF >> PART OF IT IS HER FAMILY, OF COURSE, SO MANY SCANDALS OF THE COURSE, SO MANY SCANDALS OF THE 1990'S AND 2000'S.
1990'S AND 2000'S.
EVERYONE'S BEEN WONDER HA KIND EVERYONE'S BEEN WONDER HA KIND OFE WILL OFE WILL SHE BE?
SHE BE?
SHE TOOK EIGHT DAYS TO RESPOND SHE TOOK EIGHT DAYS TO RESPOND TO THIS AT ALL AND I THINK THAT TO THIS AT ALL AND I THINK THAT CREATED A PROBLEM AND A VACUUM.
CREATED A PROBLEM AND A VACUUM.
DO VOTERS CARE ABOUT THIS DO VOTERS CARE ABOUT THIS SPECIFICALLY?
SPECIFICALLY?
NO, PROBABLY NOT.
NO, PROBABLY NOT.
THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T LIKE HER THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T LIKE HER SCR A FRESH REASON NOT TO, THE SCR A FRESH REASON NOT TO, THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE HER WILL PEOPLE WHO LIKE HER WILL PROBABLY COME TO HER DEFENSE.
PROBABLY COME TO HER DEFENSE.
BUT IT PUT A WINDOW INTO THE BUT IT PUT A WINDOW INTO THE IDEA THAT TRANSPARENCY DOES NOT IDEA THAT TRANSPARENCY DOES NOT NECESSARILY APPLY TO THEM AND NECESSARILY APPLY TO THEM AND HOW SHE WAS REA UP THERE, PRESE HOW SHE WAS REA UP THERE, PRESE PROBLEM THE PROBLEM THE >> AND I'M CURIOUS, JEFF.
>> AND I'M CURIOUS, JEFF.
I THOUGHT SO MANY QUESTIONS I THOUGHT SO MANY QUESTIONS WEREN'T ANSWERED THEN AND AFTER WEREN'T ANSWERED THEN AND AFTER BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT ABOUT, BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHO REVIEWED THIS?
YOU KNOW, WHO REVIEWED THIS?
WHO DECIDED THIS?
WHO DECIDED THIS?
WHAT KEY WORDS WERE USED?
WHAT KEY WORDS WERE USED?
WHY -- WHO AT STATE APPROVED OR WHY -- WHO AT STATE APPROVED OR DIDN'T APPROVE THIS DECISION?
DIDN'T APPROVE THIS DECISION?
IS SHE COURTING MORE POLITICAL IS SHE COURTING MORE POLITICAL FALLOUT BY NOT SPERER -- FALLOUT BY NOT SPERER -- ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS AND LETTING THIS CONTINUE AND LETTING THIS CONTINUE AND CONTINUE?
CONTINUE?
>> THE SHORT ANSWER IS I >> THE SHORT ANSWER IS I BELIEVE SO BECAUSE CONGRESS NOW BELIEVE SO BECAUSE CONGRESS NOW HAS A PRESSURE -- FRESH REASON HAS A PRESSURE -- FRESH REASON TO LOOK INTO HER.
TO LOOK INTO HER.
THE WHOLE REASON THAT HAS COME THE WHOLE REASON THAT HAS COME ABOUT IS BECAUSE THE HOUSE ABOUT IS BECAUSE THE HOUSE N LOOKING IN ON GIE MOLINA -- N LOOKING IN ON GIE MOLINA -- THIS.
THIS.
SHE'S -- IT'S NOW GOT NEW LEGS SHE'S -- IT'S NOW GOT NEW LEGS AND SHE'S GOING TO BE CALLED TO AND SHE'S GOING TO BE CALLED TO TESTIFY BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AT TESTIFY BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AT LEAST TWICE.
LEAST TWICE.
THIS GOING TO BE THERE FOR A THIS GOING TO BE THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND WHO KNOWS WHAT LONG TIME AND WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE IS IN THERE?
ELSE IS IN THERE?
>> >> GWEN: IS SHE PROVING TO GWEN: IS SHE PROVING TO EVERYBODY SHE'S NOT CONCERNED EVERYBODY SHE'S NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIME?
ABOUT THE TIME?
>> I DON'T THINK SO BUT SHE'S >> I DON'T THINK SO BUT SHE'S DOUBLING DOWN ON THAT THAT IS DOUBLING DOWN ON THAT THAT IS THE TIME TO DO IT.
THE TIME TO DO IT.
PEOPLE BELIEVE 3RI789 THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE 3RI789 THAT LOOKS LIKE WHERE SHE IS LOOKS LIKE WHERE SHE IS LEANING.
LEANING.
>> AND YOU WILL BE ON THE JACE >> AND YOU WILL BE ON THE JACE -- CASE, JEFFREY THEGWEN: -- CASE, JEFFREY THEGWEN: THANKS, EVERYONE.
THANKS, EVERYONE.
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WHICH IN TURN SUPPORTS US.
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SELMA.
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