GWEN: GOING TO WAR ABROAD, FIGHTING OVER DOMESTIC SECURITY FIGHTING OVER DOMESTIC SECURITY AT HOME AND THE ELUSIVE SEARCH AT HOME AND THE ELUSIVE SEARCH ON MIDDLE GROUND, TONIGHT ON MIDDLE GROUND, TONIGHT "WASHINGTON WEEK."
"WASHINGTON WEEK."
HOW WE GO TO WAR.
HOW WE GO TO WAR.
THEUR COALITION IS ON THEUR COALITION IS ON OFFENSIVE.
OFFENSIVE.
LOSE.S ON THE DEFENSIVE A LOSE.S ON THE DEFENSIVE A GWEN: FIRST, WE DEBATED.
GWEN: FIRST, WE DEBATED.
>> YOU'RE NOT GOINGE AIR.
>> YOU'RE NOT GOINGE AIR.
SOMEBODY HAS TO GO ON THE GROUND SOMEBODY HAS TO GO ON THE GROUND IN SYRIA.
IN SYRIA.
>> ARROW IN THE >> ARROW IN THE QUIVER, WE HAVE TO MATCH TO QUIVER, WE HAVE TO MATCH TO SET.
SET.
GWEN: THEN WE SIZE UP THE ENEMY, GWEN: THEN WE SIZE UP THE ENEMY, WORLD IS ALARMED AT THE WORLD IS ALARMED AT THE DEATH OF EASTERNHOSTAGE.
DEATH OF EASTERNHOSTAGE.
>> KAYLA HAS TOUCHED THE HEART >> KAYLA HAS TOUCHED THE HEART OF THE WORLD.
OF THE WORLD.
GWEN: EUROPEAN LEADERS TRY TO GWEN: EUROPEAN LEADERS TRY TO BRING ANND TO ANOTR, MORE BRING ANND TO ANOTR, MORE UKRAINE.NAL WAR IN UKRAINE.NAL WAR IN >> CEASEFIRE.
>> CEASEFIRE.
DEMAND IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE DEMAND IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE ?ITHOUT ANY PRECONDITION.
?ITHOUT ANY PRECONDITION.
SHOWDOWN TAKES SHAPE SHOWDOWN TAKES SHAPE OVER DOMESTIC SECURITY.
OVER DOMESTIC SECURITY.
>> THE HOUSE HAS DONE ITS JOB.
>> THE HOUSE HAS DONE ITS JOB.
WHY DON'T YOU ASK THE SENATER -O WHY DON'T YOU ASK THE SENATER -O TO VOTE NO.HER THAN TO VOTE NO.HER THAN GWEN: AND 2016 PRESIDENTIAL GWEN: AND 2016 PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFULS EMBARK ON A SERIES OF HOPEFULS EMBARK ON A SERIES OF SHAKEDOWN CRUISES.
SHAKEDOWN CRUISES.
WEEK, PETER BAKER, WEEK, PETER BAKER, CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT ALEXIS "NEW YORK TIMES," ALEXIS "NEW YORK TIMES," SIMENDINGER WHITE HOUSE SIMENDINGER WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT FOR REAL CLEAR CORRESPONDENT FOR REAL CLEAR MANU RAJU, SENIOR MANU RAJU, SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT FOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT FOR JOHN HARWOOD, JOHN HARWOOD, CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT FOR CNBC.
FOR CNBC.
REPTING ANDNING REPTING ANDNING ANALYSIS.
ANALYSIS.
HAPPENS.HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.HISTORY AS IT LI FROOUR NATION'S CAPITOL, LI FROOUR NATION'S CAPITOL, IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL.
ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM MODERATOR GWEN MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
THIS WEEK'S OVERRI QUESTION THIS WEEK'S OVERRI QUESTION WE?ROAD, HOW WE?ROAD, HOW THAT DEBATE IS PLAYING OUT ON THAT DEBATE IS PLAYING OUT ON THE ISLAMIC, WITH THE ISLAMIC, WITH STATE, WHICH IS FAR AND AWAY THE STATE, WHICH IS FAR AND AWAY THE MOST WORRISOME PLAYER IN MOST WORRISOME PLAYER IN THESE DAYS.RISM THESE DAYS.RISM IN UKRAINE, WHERE EUROPEAN IN UKRAINE, WHERE EUROPEAN LEADERS ARE TRYING TO HEAD OFF LEADERS ARE TRYING TO HEAD OFF RUSSIA TOLD WAR WITH RUSSIA TOLD WAR WITH MIXED EFFECT, AND IN THE U.S. MIXED EFFECT, AND IN THE U.S. OVER AS, WHERE A FIGHT OVER AS, WHERE A FIGHT DOMESTIC CONCERN, IMMIGRATION DOMESTIC CONCERN, IMMIGRATION TOORM, IS STALLING EFFORTS TOORM, IS STALLING EFFORTS GET A BUDGET PASSED FOR THE GET A BUDGET PASSED FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.
DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.
TO PRESIDENT ASKED CONGRESS TO PRESIDENT ASKED CONGRESS APPROVE A FORMAL WAR RESOLUTION APPROVE A FORMAL WAR RESOLUTION TODEMONSTRATE DETERMINATION TODEMONSTRATE DETERMINATION DISLODGE ISIS.
DISLODGE ISIS.
>> THE RESOLUTION WE SUBMITTED >> THE RESOLUTION WE SUBMITTED TODAY DOES NOT CALL FOR THE TODAY DOES NOT CALL FOR THE OF U.S.
GROUND COMBAT OF U.S.
GROUND COMBAT FORCES TO IRAQ OR SYRIA.
FORCES TO IRAQ OR SYRIA.
IT IS NOT THE AUTHORIZATION OF IT IS NOT THE AUTHORIZATION OF ANOTHER GROUND WAR, LIKE ANOTHER GROUND WAR, LIKE AFGHANISTAN OR IRAQ.
AFGHANISTAN OR IRAQ.
OUR NATIONAL OUR NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS AND IT'S NOT SECURITY INTERESTS AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR US TO DEFEAT ISILT NECESSARY FOR US TO DEFEAT ISILT IT'S NOT.
IT'S NOT.
WHAT IS IT, PETER?
WHAT IS IT, PETER?
>> WHAT IT IS IS A POLITICAL >> WHAT IT IS IS A POLITICAL STATEMENT.
STATEMENT.
HE'S BEEN CONDUCTING THIS WAR HE'S BEEN CONDUCTING THIS WAR FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS.
FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS.
HAD ABOUTARPLANES, HE HAD ABOUTARPLANES, HE 1900 TARGETS IN IRAQ AND SYRIA 1900 TARGETS IN IRAQ AND SYRIA SOHOUT CONGRESS WEIGHING IN SOHOUT CONGRESS WEIGHING IN HE BELIEVES HE HAS THE SHORT DO HE BELIEVES HE HAS THE SHORT DO HE'S ASKINGING BUT HE'S ASKINGING BUT CONG T CONG T BIPARTISAN ENDORSEMENT, TO SAY BIPARTISAN ENDORSEMENT, TO SAY A'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, A'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, BUY-IN FROM THE POLITICAL BUY-IN FROM THE POLITICAL SYSTEM, ARGUABLY HELPING ON THE SYSTEM, ARGUABLY HELPING ON THE BY SAYINGNAL FRONT BY SAYINGNAL FRONT AMERICANS STAND TOGETHER ON AMERICANS STAND TOGETHER ON THIS.
THIS.
BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT POINT.
BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT POINT.
GWEN: REPUBLICANS, WHO YOU WOULD GWEN: REPUBLICANS, WHO YOU WOULD EXPECT, REFLEXIVELY, HAVE EXPECT, REFLEXIVELY, HAVE OPPOSED WHATEVER THE PRESIDENT OPPOSED WHATEVER THE PRESIDENT PROPOSES, ARE SAYING THIS IS PROPOSES, ARE SAYING THIS IS FINE BUT HE'S NOT TOUGH ENOUGH FINE BUT HE'S NOT TOUGH ENOUGH BUT THE DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING, BUT THE DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING, ARE WE DOING AND ARE WE DOING AND HOW LONG ARE WE STAYING?
HOW LONG ARE WE STAYING?
THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A RECIPE THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A RECIPE FOR ENDORSEMENT.
FOR ENDORSEMENT.
>> NOT A LOT OF CONSENSUS.
>> NOT A LOT OF CONSENSUS.
A WAR RESOLUTION A WAR RESOLUTION THAT YOU DON'T TYPICALLY SEE THAT YOU DON'T TYPICALLY SEE FROM A PRESIDENT, ONE THAT FROM A PRESIDENT, ONE THAT RESTRICTIONS ON HIM AND RESTRICTIONS ON HIM AND HIS SUCCESSORS.
HIS SUCCESSORS.
THE WAR CAN ONLY GO ON FOR THREE THE WAR CAN ONLY GO ON FOR THREE CONGRESS RENEWING CONGRESS RENEWING IT.
IT.
IF CONGRESS RENEWS IT, THAT IF CONGRESS RENEWS IT, THAT MEANS HIS SUCCESSOR WOULD HAVE MEANS HIS SUCCESSOR WOULD HAVE IF THEYCK TO CONGRESS IF THEYCK TO CONGRESS WERE STILL IN NEED FOR MILITARY WERE STILL IN NEED FOR MILITARY CONDUCT THERE.
CONDUCT THERE.
AND HE SAYS THERE SHOULD BE NO AND HE SAYS THERE SHOULD BE NO ENDURING GROUND COMBAT ENDURING GROUND COMBAT OPERATIONS.
OPERATIONS.
BASICALLY WHAT HE'S TRYING TO BASICALLY WHAT HE'S TRYING TO GOING TO GO NOT GOING TO GO NOT BACK LIKE WE DID TO IRAQ AND BACK LIKE WE DID TO IRAQ AND BUSHNISTAN UNDER THE BUSHNISTAN UNDER THE ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION.
>> I RECOGNIZE IT WILL BE TRICKY >> I RECOGNIZE IT WILL BE TRICKY GETTING TO THE FINISH LINE BUT GETTING TO THE FINISH LINE BUT GIVEN THE FACT THAT REPUBLICANS GIVEN THE FACT THAT REPUBLICANS SECURITY PARTY, THE ONES SECURITY PARTY, THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR WHO HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR TOUGHER ACTION, AND GIVEN THE TOUGHER ACTION, AND GIVEN THE ARE MEMBERSMOCRATS ARE MEMBERSMOCRATS OF THE PRESIDENT'S PARTY, IS IT OF THE PRESIDENT'S PARTY, IS IT CONCEIVABLE THAT A BIPARTISAN CONCEIVABLE THAT A BIPARTISAN GUY -- DENY HIM GUY -- DENY HIM THIS AUTHORIZATION?
THIS AUTHORIZATION?
>> IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
>> IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
HE'S NOT ANXIOUS TO GET IT IN HE'S NOT ANXIOUS TO GET IT IN THE SENSE THAT HE DOESN'T FEEL THE SENSE THAT HE DOESN'T FEEL HE NEEDS IT.
HE NEEDS IT.
THERE'S NO SENSE OF URGENCY.
THERE'S NO SENSE OF URGENCY.
CONGRESS LEFT TOWN FOR A WEEK CONGRESS LEFT TOWN FOR A WEEK AND NOBODY'S SAYING WE HAVE TO AND NOBODY'S SAYING WE HAVE TO DO THIS RIGHT AWAY.
DO THIS RIGHT AWAY.
SENATE AND HE SAYSORKER, SENATE AND HE SAYSORKER, WE'LL HAVE HEARINGS ON THE WE'LL HAVE HEARINGS ON THE STRATEGY AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT STRATEGY AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION.
THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION.
RUSHERE'S NOT A SENSE OF RUSHERE'S NOT A SENSE OF AND IT'S CONCEIVABLE CONGRESS AND IT'S CONCEIVABLE CONGRESS DOESN'T PASS ANYTHING BECAUSE ON DOESN'T PASS ANYTHING BECAUSE ON CONSENSUS.
CONSENSUS.
>> IN WHICH CASE THE PRESIDENT >> IN WHICH CASE THE PRESIDENT PROCEEDS AS HE IS.
PROCEEDS AS HE IS.
CASE, NOTHING CASE, NOTHING CHANGES.
CHANGES.
THE PRESIDENT HAS TWO THE PRESIDENT HAS TWO FROM 2001 AND 2002 FROM 2001 AND 2002 HE WITH RELY ON AND ARGUE THAT HE WITH RELY ON AND ARGUE THAT CONSTITUTION IS CONSTITUTION IS ENOUGH SO HE DOESN'T PLAN TO ENOUGH SO HE DOESN'T PLAN TO CHANGE WHAT HE'S DOING.
CHANGE WHAT HE'S DOING.
SEEMS LIKE NO SEEMS LIKE NO MATTER WHAT GETS THROUGH THE MATTER WHAT GETS THROUGH THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS, REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS, THEY'LL ALLOW FOR THE PRESIDENT THEY'LL ALLOW FOR THE PRESIDENT MORE AUTHORITY, THEY'LL MORE AUTHORITY, THEY'LL TAKE AWAY RESTRICTIONS.
TAKE AWAY RESTRICTIONS.
I'M CURIOUS HOW FAR THE I'M CURIOUS HOW FAR THE PRESIDENT'S WILLI A VETO PRESIDENT'S WILLI A VETO THREAT.
THREAT.
PRESIDENT IMAGINE THE PRESIDENT IMAGINE THE SAYING, DON'T SEND ME THAT BILL, SAYING, DON'T SEND ME THAT BILL, YOU'RE GIVING ME TOO MUCH POWER?
YOU'RE GIVING ME TOO MUCH POWER?
THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN A LOT OF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN A LOT OF TIMES YET HE DOESN'T WANT TO TIMES YET HE DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE HIS OWN DEMOCRATIC ALLIES HAVE HIS OWN DEMOCRATIC ALLIES IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE ALIENATED VOTING AGAINST THIS.
ALIENATED VOTING AGAINST THIS.
WANTS THEM BROUGHT TOGETHER WANTS THEM BROUGHT TOGETHER AN ODDAS INTERESTS AN ODDAS INTERESTS POSITION.
POSITION.
>> BRING US UP TO DATE ON WHAT >> BRING US UP TO DATE ON WHAT HAPPENED ON THERO STATE ATTACK ?
HAPPENED ON THERO STATE ATTACK ?
DOES THAT CHANGE THE DYNAMICS OF DOES THAT CHANGE THE DYNAMICS OF THE CONVERSATION OR DEBATE?
THE CONVERSATION OR DEBATE?
IT'S AN INTERESTING STUDY.
IT'S AN INTERESTING STUDY.
IT TELLS US WHERE THE LIMITS -- IT TELLS US WHERE THE LIMITS -- TO IMPOSE LIMITS AND TO IMPOSE LIMITS AND WHERE REALITY MIGHT BE.
WHERE REALITY MIGHT BE.
WE'RE TRAINING IRAQI TROOPS IN WE'RE TRAINING IRAQI TROOPS IN BASE ON ANBAR PROVINCE BASE ON ANBAR PROVINCE IN THE WEK AND TODAY ABOUT TWO IN THE WEK AND TODAY ABOUT TWO DOZEN ISLAMIC STATE MILITANTS DOZEN ISLAMIC STATE MILITANTS DRESSED LIKE IRAQI MILITARY DRESSED LIKE IRAQI MILITARY SOLDIERS CHARGED THE BASE AND SOLDIERS CHARGED THE BASE AND TO ATTACK IT.
TO ATTACK IT.
NO AMERICAN SOLDIERS WERE NEAR NO AMERICAN SOLDIERS WERE NEAR THIS AT THE SAME TIME, ACCORDING THIS AT THE SAME TIME, ACCORDING SHOWS PENTAGON, BUT IT SHOWS PENTAGON, BUT IT YOU WHAT COULD HAPPEN, HOW, IN O YOU WHAT COULD HAPPEN, HOW, IN O EVEN THOUGHOOPS, EVEN THOUGHOOPS, YOU'RE NOT HAVING COMBAT, YOU YOU'RE NOT HAVING COMBAT, YOU YOURSELF FIRING AND YOURSELF FIRING AND THINGS COULD EXPAND.
THINGS COULD EXPAND.
ABOUT ANRE TALKING ABOUT ANRE TALKING OLD-FASHIONED NOTION, THE WAR OLD-FASHIONED NOTION, THE WAR POWERS RESOLUTION.
POWERS RESOLUTION.
TO USE AGAINST NON-STATE ACTORS TO USE AGAINST NON-STATE ACTORS WHAT ONE HAS TO WHAT ONE HAS TO DO WITH THE OTHER.
DO WITH THE OTHER.
>> ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS IS THAT >> ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS IS THAT THE RESOLUTION SAYS HE CAN GO TO THE RESOLUTION SAYS HE CAN GO TO WAR WITH ISIS AND ASSOCIATED WAR WITH ISIS AND ASSOCIATED PERSONS AND GROUPS, WHAT DOES PERSONS AND GROUPS, WHAT DOES MEAN?
MEAN?
GWEN: AND WHILE THE PRESIDENT GWEN: AND WHILE THE PRESIDENT VAULTED INTO THE MIDDLE OF A WAR VAULTED INTO THE MIDDLE OF A WAR HE CHOSE TO STAY HE CHOSE TO STAY POINTEDLY ON THE SIDELINES IN POINTEDLY ON THE SIDELINES IN ANOTHER ONE.
ANOTHER ONE.
TO GERMAN LEFT IT TO GERMAN LEFT IT CHANCELLOR ANGELA MERKEL AND CHANCELLOR ANGELA MERKEL AND FRENCH PRESIDENT FRANCOIS FRENCH PRESIDENT FRANCOIS TO CALM A BLOODY TO CALM A BLOODY WAR IN UKRAINE THAT HAS MORPHED WAR IN UKRAINE THAT HAS MORPHED INTO A TEST OF RUSSIAN POWER.
INTO A TEST OF RUSSIAN POWER.
TRUE THAT IF, IN FACT, TRUE THAT IF, IN FACT, DIPLOMACY FAILS, WHAT I'VE ASKED DIPLOMACY FAILS, WHAT I'VE ASKED DO IS TO LOOK AT ALL DO IS TO LOOK AT ALL OPTIONS.
OPTIONS.
INT OTHER MEANS CAN WE PUT INT OTHER MEANS CAN WE PUT PLACE TO CHANGE MR. PUTIN'S PLACE TO CHANGE MR. PUTIN'S CALCULUS?
CALCULUS?
AND THE POSSIBILITY OF LETHAL AND THE POSSIBILITY OF LETHAL DEFENSIVE WEAPONS IS ONE OF DEFENSIVE WEAPONS IS ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS THAT'S BEING THOSE OPTIONS THAT'S BEING EXAMINED.
EXAMINED.
GWEN: ALMOST NO ONE IS GWEN: ALMOST NO ONE IS THE LATEST CEASEFIRE THE LATEST CEASEFIRE WILL HOLD.
WILL HOLD.
WHAT IS THE U.S.
PREPARED TO DO?
WHAT IS THE U.S.
PREPARED TO DO?
ADMINISTRATION IS TALKING ADMINISTRATION IS TALKING ABOUT FOUR THINGS IN THE WAKE OF ABOUT FOUR THINGS IN THE WAKE OF THIS PACT BEING SIGNED AND THE THIS PACT BEING SIGNED AND THE THINGS THEY'RE TALKING THINGS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IS -- ABOUT IS -- ACCORD.E MINSK ACCORD.E MINSK >> THE MINSK 2.LKING >> THE MINSK 2.LKING ABOUT THE DESIRE DIPLOMAT ABOUT THE DESIRE DIPLOMAT DIPLOMATICALLY TO SUPPORT THE DIPLOMATICALLY TO SUPPORT THE PURSUIT OF THIS AND THE OUTCOME PURSUIT OF THIS AND THE OUTCOME OF IT.
OF IT.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TO SUPPORT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TO SUPPORT THE MONITORING OF IT, ONCE THE THE MONITORING OF IT, ONCE THE GETS UNDERWAY AND IT IT GETS UNDERWAY AND IT IT THE OSCE, THE THE OSCE, THE MONITORING ORGANIZATION, MONITORING ORGANIZATION, TECHNICAL HELP OR WHATEVER.
TECHNICAL HELP OR WHATEVER.
THE THIRD THING IS, THE THE THIRD THING IS, THE PRESIDENT IS TALKING ABOUT PRESIDENT IS TALKING ABOUT KEEPING THE PRESSURE, ON KEEPING KEEPING THE PRESSURE, ON KEEPING SANCTIONS PRESSURE OR THE SANCTIONS PRESSURE OR THE OTHER COSTS OUT THERE.
OTHER COSTS OUT THERE.
AND THE ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING AND THE ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING THAT RELIEF WILL NOT COME FOR THAT RELIEF WILL NOT COME FOR RUSSIA UNTIL UKRAINE'S BORDER RUSSIA UNTIL UKRAINE'S BORDER RUSSIA GOES BACK INTO RUSSIA GOES BACK INTO PLACE.
PLACE.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHERE THAT AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHERE THAT PACT.THE PACT.THE THE FOURTH THING THE THE FOURTH THING THE ADMINISTRATION'S TALKING ABOUT ADMINISTRATION'S TALKING ABOUT WITH GREAT INTEREST AND HAS BEEN WITH GREAT INTEREST AND HAS BEEN UKRAINE'STO KEEP UKRAINE'STO KEEP ECONOMYPPAND ECONOMYPPAND SUPPORTING SUPPORTING ISISTANCE THE UNITED STATES ISISTANCE THE UNITED STATES GOING TO BE PROVIDING, AT LEAST, GOING TO BE PROVIDING, AT LEAST, LOAN GUARANTEES, LOAN GUARANTEES, THREW $72 BIL THE THREW $72 BIL THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO MAKE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO MAKE WHATEVER TRUCE TAKES WHATEVER TRUCE TAKES PLACE, THIS IS CESSATION OF PLACE, THIS IS CESSATION OF CONFLICT, THAT THERE IS AN CONFLICT, THAT THERE IS AN TO KEEP UKRAINE'S ECONOMY TO KEEP UKRAINE'S ECONOMY PRODUCING.
PRODUCING.
STRATEGICIT A STRATEGICIT A DECISION NOT TO HAVE THE WHITE DECISION NOT TO HAVE THE WHITE HOUSE AT THAT TABLE?
HOUSE AT THAT TABLE?
AS IT TURNED OUT?
AS IT TURNED OUT?
DECISION A STRATEGIC DECISION A STRATEGIC IN THE SENSE THAT THE IN THE SENSE THAT THE COMBINATION OF CHANCELLOR MERKEL COMBINATION OF CHANCELLOR MERKEL HOLLANDE WAS HOLLANDE WAS CONSIDERED THE MOST ACCEPTABLE CONSIDERED THE MOST ACCEPTABLE TO THEM IN THE EUROPEAN EFFORTS.
TO THEM IN THE EUROPEAN EFFORTS.
A RELATIONSHIP.
A RELATIONSHIP.
THERE WAS A.
THERE WAS A. GWEN: SHE'S SPEAKS RUSSIAN.
GWEN: SHE'S SPEAKS RUSSIAN.
SHE SPEAKS RUSSIAN, HE SPEAKS SHE SPEAKS RUSSIAN, HE SPEAKS GERMAN.
GERMAN.
GERMANY ISSENSE THAT GERMANY ISSENSE THAT THE STRONGEST MEMBER OF THE THE STRONGEST MEMBER OF THE EUROPEAN FORCE AND TO HAVE EUROPEAN FORCE AND TO HAVE POROSHENKO THERE AND POROSHENKO THERE AND PRESIDENT PUTIN AND PRESIDENT PRESIDENT PUTIN AND PRESIDENT PUTIN, THE INTERESTING ACTOR AT PUTIN, THE INTERESTING ACTOR AT THE TABLE, DENYING THAT RUSSIA THE TABLE, DENYING THAT RUSSIA IS DOING ANY OF THE THINGS HE IS IS DOING ANY OF THE THINGS HE IS SIGNING TO PREVENT.
SIGNING TO PREVENT.
INTERESTING RESULT.
INTERESTING RESULT.
OBVIOUSLY, CHANCELLOR MERKEL WAS OBVIOUSLY, CHANCELLOR MERKEL WAS HERE ON MONDAY TALKING.
HERE ON MONDAY TALKING.
THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO SAY THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO SAY WE ARE VERY INVOLVED, WE HAD THE WE ARE VERY INVOLVED, WE HAD THE SECRETARY OF STATE FLYING OVER, SECRETARY OF STATE FLYING OVER, BIDEN IN MUNICH, BIDEN IN MUNICH, THAT HE HAD BEEN ON THE PHONE THAT HE HAD BEEN ON THE PHONE WEEKPRESIDENT PUTIN THIS WEEKPRESIDENT PUTIN THIS AND THEY'RE INVOLVED.
AND THEY'RE INVOLVED.
>> YOU MENTIONED CHANCELLOR >> YOU MENTIONED CHANCELLOR MERKEL'S VISIT.
MERKEL'S VISIT.
ONE OF THE POINTS SHE MADE AND ONE OF THE POINTS SHE MADE AND HER AIDES MADE PRIVATELY AND HER AIDES MADE PRIVATELY AND PUBLICLY IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE PUBLICLY IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE WAS, LOOK, THIS IS OUR WAS, LOOK, THIS IS OUR WE WANT TO LET WE WANT TO LET DIPLOMACY PLAY OUT, LET'S MOVE DIPLOMACY PLAY OUT, LET'S MOVE SLOWLY HERE.
SLOWLY HERE.
LIVE WITH MYSELF LIVE WITH MYSELF IF WE DIDN'T PURSUE THIS, WHICH IF WE DIDN'T PURSUE THIS, WHICH IS A VERY INTERESTING THING.
IS A VERY INTERESTING THING.
SAID, VERY SAID, VERY INTERESTINGLY, AT THAT NEWS INTERESTINGLY, AT THAT NEWS CONFERENCE, THIS IS WHY WE'RE CONFERENCE, THIS IS WHY WE'RE POLITICIANS, WE TRY TO WORK POLITICIANS, WE TRY TO WORK THINGS OUT.
THINGS OUT.
SO THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT SO THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A SPLIT WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A SPLIT BETWEEN GERMANY AND THE UNITED BETWEEN GERMANY AND THE UNITED STATES.
STATES.
MY OWN SENSE IS THAT PRESIDENT MY OWN SENSE IS THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS NOT BEEN EAGER AT ALL OBAMA HAS NOT BEEN EAGER AT ALL UKRAINE SO ISS TO UKRAINE SO ISS TO SHE RESTRAINING HIM?
SHE RESTRAINING HIM?
HELPFUL ALLY OF HIS HELPFUL ALLY OF HIS ESCALATED MILITARY ESCALATED MILITARY ACTIVITY?
ACTIVITY?
>> THE DEBATE, WHAT'S >> THE DEBATE, WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS THAT THE INTERESTING TO ME IS THAT THE LETHALABOUT PROVIDING LETHALABOUT PROVIDING DEFENSIVE ASSISTANCE TO UKRAINE DEFENSIVE ASSISTANCE TO UKRAINE WAS COMING FROM BOTH THE OUTSIDE WAS COMING FROM BOTH THE OUTSIDE OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND FROM OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND FROM SOME ELEMENTS OF THE INSIDE OF SOME ELEMENTS OF THE INSIDE OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
THE ADMINISTRATION.
BE THERE NEVER SEEMED TO BE THERE NEVER SEEMED TO ANYTHING COMING FROM PRESIDENT ANYTHING COMING FROM PRESIDENT OBAMA HIMSELF THAT INDICATED OBAMA HIMSELF THAT INDICATED THAT HE FELT THAT THIS WAS THE THAT HE FELT THAT THIS WAS THE THERE WAS A GO BUT THERE WAS A GO BUT LITTLE OF THE GOOD COP, BAD COP LITTLE OF THE GOOD COP, BAD COP PLAYING OUT IN THE EAST ROOM IN PLAYING OUT IN THE EAST ROOM IN SENSE THAT KEEPING THE SENSE THAT KEEPING THE PRESSURE ON IS NOT A BAD IDEA, PRESSURE ON IS NOT A BAD IDEA, PUTIN, WITHNT PUTIN, WITHNT RUSSIA, AND THE PRESIDENT HAS RUSSIA, AND THE PRESIDENT HAS SINCE THEN, HIS ARGUMENTS ARE SINCE THEN, HIS ARGUMENTS ARE WHYAGAINST DOING THIS AND WHYAGAINST DOING THIS AND THIS WOULD BE THE COUNTER THIS WOULD BE THE COUNTER MESSAGING TO WHAIT IS THAT THE MESSAGING TO WHAIT IS THAT THE WEST IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
WEST IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
YOU'RE SEEING THE PRESSURE YOU'RE SEEING THE PRESSURE BUILDING IN CONGRESS FROM THE BUILDING IN CONGRESS FROM THE HOGS, THE JOHN MCCAIN'S HOGS, THE JOHN MCCAIN'S OF THE WORLD WHO HAVE OF THE WORLD WHO HAVE LEGISLATION TO FORCE THE LEGISLATION TO FORCE THE ADMINISTRATION ON THIS.
ADMINISTRATION ON THIS.
TO WHAT EXTENT DO YOU THINK THAT TO WHAT EXTENT DO YOU THINK THAT PRESSURE IS SVELTE BY THE PRESSURE IS SVELTE BY THE PRESIDENT?
PRESIDENT?
IGNORE IT AS HE DID IGNORE IT AS HE DID ON IRAN SANCTIONS?
ON IRAN SANCTIONS?
I DON'T THINK YOU COULD SAY I DON'T THINK YOU COULD SAY THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS IGNORING IT BUT THE PRESIDENT'S IGNORING IT BUT THE PRESIDENT'S IS, I ASKED MY TEAM, IS, I ASKED MY TEAM, SUSAN RICE, NATIONAL SECURITY SUSAN RICE, NATIONAL SECURITY IT,SER, TO LET'S TALK ABOUT IT,SER, TO LET'S TALK ABOUT LET'S INVESTIGATE IT.
LET'S INVESTIGATE IT.
AND THAT'S AMONG THE COSTS STILL AND THAT'S AMONG THE COSTS STILL ON THE TABLE.
ON THE TABLE.
HAVE A GOODINK THEY HAVE A GOODINK THEY HANDLE ON WHAT PUTIN ACTUALLY HANDLE ON WHAT PUTIN ACTUALLY WANTS OUT OF THIS?
WANTS OUT OF THIS?
NOT JUSTKES ME IS IT'S NOT JUSTKES ME IS IT'S ENOUGH TO HAVE A CEASEFIRE ENOUGH TO HAVE A CEASEFIRE AGREEMENT.
AGREEMENT.
IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING WE CAN IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING WE CAN HYMN --UT HOW TO GET HYMN --UT HOW TO GET HIM TO CHANGE HIS MIND.
HIM TO CHANGE HIS MIND.
TO SEEMS TO ME HE MIGHT BE TO SEEMS TO ME HE MIGHT BE A FROZEN CONFLICT, A FROZEN CONFLICT, KEEP THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE AND KEEP THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE AND THAT BENEFITS HIM.
THAT BENEFITS HIM.
>> THE CONCERN IN THE >> THE CONCERN IN THE KEEPS COMINGN THAT KEEPS COMINGN THAT UP IS THAT THESE SANCTIONS ARE UP IS THAT THESE SANCTIONS ARE CHANGING POLICY.
CHANGING POLICY.
THAT'S THE WORE.
THAT'S THE WORE.
GWEN: ANOTHER STANDOFF ON GWEN: ANOTHER STANDOFF ON CAPITOL HILL, OVER THE BUDGET, CAPITOL HILL, OVER THE BUDGET, BUT INSTEAD OF THREATENING TO BUT INSTEAD OF THREATENING TO ENTIRE GOVERNMENT, ENTIRE GOVERNMENT, SOME UNHAPPY REPUBLICANS ARE SOME UNHAPPY REPUBLICANS ARE THREATENING TO WITHHOLD THE THREATENING TO WITHHOLD THE TO RUN THE DEPARTMENT OF TO RUN THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.
HOMELAND SECURITY.
THE FINGER POINTING HAS BEEN THE FINGER POINTING HAS BEEN EPIC.
EPIC.
THE HOUSE BLAMES THE SENATE FOR THE HOUSE BLAMES THE SENATE FOR INACTION, THE SENATE BLAMES THE INACTION, THE SENATE BLAMES THE HOUSE AND THE WHITE HOUSE HOUSE AND THE WHITE HOUSE WATCHES QUIETLY WAITING TO SEE WATCHES QUIETLY WAITING TO SEE PLAYS OUT.
PLAYS OUT.
WHY ARE WE HERE, MANU?
WHY ARE WE HERE, MANU?
TIME HONOREDND THE TIME HONOREDND THE TRADITION OF PUNTING BUT IT TRADITION OF PUNTING BUT IT STARTED BY THE PRESIDENT'S STARTED BY THE PRESIDENT'S NOVEMBER TO DEFER NOVEMBER TO DEFER MILLIONIONS FROM FIVE MILLIONIONS FROM FIVE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS AS WELL UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS AS WELL AS PROVIDE THEM WITH WORK AS PROVIDE THEM WITH WORK PERMITS.
PERMITS.
ACTIONME TOP OF HIS 2012 ACTIONME TOP OF HIS 2012 THAT DEFERRED DEPOR THE COUNTRY THAT DEFERRED DEPOR THE COUNTRY AGE, OFY, THE YOUNG AGE, OFY, THE YOUNG COURSE, REPUBLICANS ARE FURIOUS COURSE, REPUBLICANS ARE FURIOUS AT THIS ACTION.
AT THIS ACTION.
BACK.ANTED TO PUSH BACK.ANTED TO PUSH THEY WANTED TO SHOW THE THEY WANTED TO SHOW THE PRESIDENT THEY WERE NOT STANDING PRESIDENT THEY WERE NOT STANDING FOR THIS, WHAT THEY VIEW IS AS FOR THIS, WHAT THEY VIEW IS AS OVERREACH OF EXECUTIVE POWER.
OVERREACH OF EXECUTIVE POWER.
SO IN NOVEMBER, WHEN THEY HAD A SO IN NOVEMBER, WHEN THEY HAD A HADCE TO MOVE THE -- THEY HADCE TO MOVE THE -- THEY TO FUND THE GOVERNMENT, THERE TO FUND THE GOVERNMENT, THERE WAS DEBATE ABOUT HOW TO PUSH WAS DEBATE ABOUT HOW TO PUSH BACK.
BACK.
ORDER TONS, IN ORDER TONS, IN ALLEVIATE THE RIGHT WING, THEY ALLEVIATE THE RIGHT WING, THEY CUT A DEAL WITH THE DEMOCRATS CUT A DEAL WITH THE DEMOCRATS OK, WE'LL FUND THE OK, WE'LL FUND THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT BUT WE'RE NOT ENTIRE GOVERNMENT BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO FUND THE DEPARTMENT OF GOING TO FUND THE DEPARTMENT OF THE ENTIRECURITY FOR THE ENTIRECURITY FOR YEAR.
YEAR.
WE'RE GOING TO LET THAT EXPIRE WE'RE GOING TO LET THAT EXPIRE AT THE END OF FEBRUARY.
AT THE END OF FEBRUARY.
WE CONTROL THE WE CONTROL THE SENATE AND HAVE LARGER NUMBERS SENATE AND HAVE LARGER NUMBERS IN THE HOUSE, WE'LL FIGHT THE IN THE HOUSE, WE'LL FIGHT THE D.H.S.NT OVER THE D.H.S.NT OVER THE FUNDING BILL.
FUNDING BILL.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, THAT THEY BUT THE PROBLEM IS, THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SHUT DOWN THE DON'T WANT TO SHUT DOWN THE SECURITY, OF HOMELAND SECURITY, OF HOMELAND AT LEAST THE LEADERSHIP DOESN'T, AT LEAST THE LEADERSHIP DOESN'T, AND THEY WANT TO PUSH BACK AND THEY WANT TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THE PRESIDENT ON AGAINST THE PRESIDENT ON IMMIGRATION BUT THEY DON'T HAVE IMMIGRATION BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE VOTES TO OVERCOME A THE VOTES TO OVERCOME A FILIBUSTER.
FILIBUSTER.
SO HOW DO THEY DO THAT?
SO HOW DO THEY DO THAT?
THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET OUT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET OUT OF IT.
OF IT.
GWEN: HAVEN'T WE SEEN THIS MOVIE GWEN: HAVEN'T WE SEEN THIS MOVIE BEFORE?
BEFORE?
TIME HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE TIME HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE AND AGAIN AND THE CONUNDRUM FOR AND AGAIN AND THE CONUNDRUM FOR BOEHNER ISNELL AND BOEHNER ISNELL AND THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN.
THEY DON'T WANT A SHUTDOWN.
THEY ARE TRYING TO PROVE TO THE THEY ARE TRYING TO PROVE TO THE GOVERN THEY CAN GOVERN THEY CAN EFFECTIVELY BUT AT THE SAME TIME EFFECTIVELY BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY WANT TO SHOW THE BASE THAT THEY WANT TO SHOW THE BASE THAT THEY'RE SERIOUS ABOUT TAKING ON THEY'RE SERIOUS ABOUT TAKING ON THE PRESIDENT.
THE PRESIDENT.
BUT THEY JUST HAVE A MATH BUT THEY JUST HAVE A MATH PROBLEM.
PROBLEM.
THEY CAN'T GET WHAT THE THEY CAN'T GET WHAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE CALLING FOR A DEMOCRATS ARE CALLING FOR A THROUGH THE HOUSE THROUGH THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS BECAUSE THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS AREN'T GOING TO SUPPORT IT.
AREN'T GOING TO SUPPORT IT.
AND THEY CAN'T GET ANYTHING WITH AND THEY CAN'T GET ANYTHING WITH RESTRICTIONSON RESTRICTIONSON THROUGH THE SENATE, BECAUSE THEY THROUGH THE SENATE, BECAUSE THEY NEED 60 VOTES AND DEMOCRATS NEED 60 VOTES AND DEMOCRATS ONLY HAVE 54LICANS ONLY HAVE 54LICANS SEATS.
SEATS.
DOESN'T ADD UP.
DOESN'T ADD UP.
>> DOES THAT MEAN LITERALLY >> DOES THAT MEAN LITERALLY EVERYONE IN CONGRESS KNOWS WE'RE EVERYONE IN CONGRESS KNOWS WE'RE SLOW-MOTIONH A SLOW-MOTIONH A PROCESS OF THEM BACKING DOWN OFF PROCESS OF THEM BACKING DOWN OFF THIS THREAT?
THIS THREAT?
THERE'S AS SO BUT THERE'S AS SO BUT SERIOUS DEBATE.
SERIOUS DEBATE.
MANY CONSERVATIVES SAY THEY'RE MANY CONSERVATIVES SAY THEY'RE POSITION NOW THAN POSITION NOW THAN THEY WERE IN 2013 WHENHE THEY WERE IN 2013 WHENHE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN FOR 16 DAYS GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN FOR 16 DAYS OVER OBAMACARE OVER OBAMACARE AND THE REPUBLICANS -- AND THE REPUBLICANS -- >> THAT'S A STRONG POSITION, TO >> THAT'S A STRONG POSITION, TO SHUT DOWN THE DEPARTMENT OF SHUT DOWN THE DEPARTMENT OF SECURITY?
SECURITY?
>> SMALL BUT VOCAL CONTINGENT >> SMALL BUT VOCAL CONTINGENT THAT BELIEVES THAT GIVEN HOW THAT BELIEVES THAT GIVEN HOW CONTROVERSIAL THE IMMIGRATION CONTROVERSIAL THE IMMIGRATION MOVE IS THAT THEY WOULD WIN THIS MOVE IS THAT THEY WOULD WIN THIS FIGHTITICALLY B THERE ARE FIGHTITICALLY B THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO DON'T THINK A LOT OF FOLKS WHO DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA AND THE THIS IS A GOOD IDEA AND THE BETTING IN CAPITOL HILL RIGHT BETTING IN CAPITOL HILL RIGHT NOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE A NOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE A SHORT-TERM CONTINUING RESOLUTION SHORT-TERM CONTINUING RESOLUTION TO KEEP THE DEPARTMENT OPERATING TO KEEP THE DEPARTMENT OPERATING IT RIGHTWE JUST BRING IT RIGHTWE JUST BRING BACK.
BACK.
GWEN: KICKING THE CAN.
GWEN: KICKING THE CAN.
WE HAVE BEEN THERE.
WE HAVE BEEN THERE.
SIMPLEOU HAVE THE SIMPLEOU HAVE THE EXPLANATION FOR THE VIEWERS WHO EXPLANATION FOR THE VIEWERS WHO ABOUT WHYRE SCORECARD ABOUT WHYRE SCORECARD REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVES REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVES ARE EAGER ON THE AUTHORIZATION ARE EAGER ON THE AUTHORIZATION MILITARY FORCE MILITARY FORCE FOR THE PRESIDENT TO HAVE FOR THE PRESIDENT TO HAVE UNLIMITED POWER BUT ARE UNLIMITED POWER BUT ARE THE OVERREACHT THE OVERREACHT THEYION?
THEYION?
CAN YOU SQUARE -- CAN YOU SQUARE -- IT'S DIFFICULT TO SQUARE IT'S DIFFICULT TO SQUARE BECAUSE THAT'S A CENTRAL BECAUSE THAT'S A CENTRAL ARGUMENT ALL ALONG THAT THE ARGUMENT ALL ALONG THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN OVERREACHING.
PRESIDENT HAS BEEN OVERREACHING.
HE'S BROADENED THE POWER OF THE HE'S BROADENED THE POWER OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH LIKE NO ONE EXECUTIVE BRANCH LIKE NO ONE WOULD HIM AND SO THEY WOULD HIM AND SO THEY ARGUE, THEY WOULD SAY, TALK TO ARGUE, THEY WOULD SAY, TALK TO SENATOR, THEY SENATOR, THEY WOULD SAY THIS IS A COMPLETELY WOULD SAY THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, WAR, YOU DON'T WANT DIFFERENT, WAR, YOU DON'T WANT TO RESTRICT THE HANDS OF THE TO RESTRICT THE HANDS OF THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, PEOPLE'S COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE ON THE LINE, THAT'S LIVES ARE ON THE LINE, THAT'S MUCH DIFFERENT ARGUMENT THAN MUCH DIFFERENT ARGUMENT THAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY BALANCE OF POWER BASICALLY BALANCE OF POWER ANDEEN EXECUTIVE BRANCH ANDEEN EXECUTIVE BRANCH LEGISLATIVE.
LEGISLATIVE.
>> ISN'T THE DEPARTMENT OF >> ISN'T THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, THE SECURITY HOMELAND SECURITY, THE SECURITY TO THE IT, RELATED TO THE IT, RELATED COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF PART OF IT?
COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF PART OF IT?
>> THAT IS A DIFFICULT THING FOR >> THAT IS A DIFFICULT THING FOR SQUARE.
SQUARE.
>> A LOT OF REPUBLICANS ARE >> A LOT OF REPUBLICANS ARE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
WHERE ARE THEY ON THIS?
WHERE ARE THEY ON THIS?
IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN TED CRUZ, FOR YOU'VE SEEN TED CRUZ, FOR INSTANCE, ONE OF THE ARCHITECTS INSTANCE, ONE OF THE ARCHITECTS IN OCTOBER THAT LED IN OCTOBER THAT LED TO THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.
TO THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.
THIS TIME, HE'S NOT BEING A THIS TIME, HE'S NOT BEING A VOCAL LEADER ON THIS EFFORT.
VOCAL LEADER ON THIS EFFORT.
IN FACT, HE'S BLAMING REPUBLICAN IN FACT, HE'S BLAMING REPUBLICAN WHAT HE CONSIDERS WHAT HE CONSIDERS GETTING IN THIS MESS RIGHT NOW.
GETTING IN THIS MESS RIGHT NOW.
HE WANTED TO FIGHT THIS IN HE WANTED TO FIGHT THIS IN DECEMBER.
DECEMBER.
IF YOU DID THAT IF YOU DID THAT IN DECEMBER, THE ENTIRE IN DECEMBER, THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE SHUT DOWN GOVERNMENT WOULD HAVE SHUT DOWN BUT RIGHT NOW HE'S NOT A LEADER BUT RIGHT NOW HE'S NOT A LEADER THIS.
THIS.
HE'S SORT OF TAKING A HE'S SORT OF TAKING A LOW-PROFILE ROLE.
LOW-PROFILE ROLE.
MARCO RUBIO, ALSO, NOT SAYING A MARCO RUBIO, ALSO, NOT SAYING A LOT ABOUT THIS.
LOT ABOUT THIS.
RAND PAUL HASN'T SAID ANYTHING RAND PAUL HASN'T SAID ANYTHING -- BECAUSE IT'S -- BECAUSE IT'S A MESS.
A MESS.
REPUBLICANS ARE POINTING REPUBLICANS ARE POINTING FINGERS.
FINGERS.
DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY ALL THESE DOWN AND ALL THESE DOWN AND GUYS WANT TO LOOK LIKE THEY GUYS WANT TO LOOK LIKE THEY COULD BE SERIOUS PRESIDENTS.
COULD BE SERIOUS PRESIDENTS.
WHAT WOULD BE WORSE THAN BEING WHAT WOULD BE WORSE THAN BEING BLAMED FOR SHUTTING DOWN THE BLAMED FOR SHUTTING DOWN THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY?
DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY?
THE: I WOULD LIKE TO BE IN THE: I WOULD LIKE TO BE IN MEETINGS BETWEEN JOHN BOEHNER MEETINGS BETWEEN JOHN BOEHNER AND MITCH MCCONNELL WHERE HE AND MITCH MCCONNELL WHERE HE USED THE A-WORD USED THE A-WORD FOR YOU.
FOR YOU.
YOU KNOW WHAT I HAD TO DO.
YOU KNOW WHAT I HAD TO DO.
STRONGESTS TO BE THE STRONGESTS TO BE THE THING HE CAN DO.
THING HE CAN DO.
GWEN: NOW WE'RE GOING TO TURN TO GWEN: NOW WE'RE GOING TO TURN TO SHAKEDOWN CRUISE SHAKEDOWN CRUISE WHEREIN THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WHEREIN THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE PRESIDENT BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND BE PRESIDENT BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND TESTING THE WATERS TESTING THE WATERS SOMETIMES MEANS GETTING WET.
SOMETIMES MEANS GETTING WET.
WITNESS WISCONSIN GOVERNOR SCOTT WITNESS WISCONSIN GOVERNOR SCOTT WALKER WHO MADE A QUICK TRIP TO WALKER WHO MADE A QUICK TRIP TO LONDON, THE DESTINATION OF LONDON, THE DESTINATION OF CANDIDATES LOOKING CANDIDATES LOOKING FOR A FOREIGN POLICY STAMP IN FOR A FOREIGN POLICY STAMP IN THEIR PASSPORTS.
THEIR PASSPORTS.
HE ENCOUNTERED THIS.
HE ENCOUNTERED THIS.
COMFORTABLE WITH THE COMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA OF EVOLUTION?
IDEA OF EVOLUTION?
ONFOR ME, I'M GOING TO PUNT ONFOR ME, I'M GOING TO PUNT THAT ONE, AS WELL.
THAT ONE, AS WELL.
>> NO.
>> NO.
REALLY?
REALLY?
>> THAT'S A QUESTION A >> THAT'S A QUESTION A POLITICIAN SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED POLITICIAN SHOULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU.
I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU.
>> ANY BRITISH POLITICIAN, RIGHT >> ANY BRITISH POLITICIAN, RIGHT WING, WOULD LAUGH AND WING, WOULD LAUGH AND SAY, YES, OF COURSE, EVOLUTION'S SAY, YES, OF COURSE, EVOLUTION'S TRUE.
TRUE.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE, I'M HERE IT'S ONE OF THOSE, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT TRADE, NOT TO TALK ABOUT TRADE, NOT PONTIFFICT ON OTHER ISSUES.
PONTIFFICT ON OTHER ISSUES.
INOVE THE EVOLUTION OF TRADE INOVE THE EVOLUTION OF TRADE WISCONSIN.
WISCONSIN.
GWEN: I DIDN'T GET THAT.
GWEN: I DIDN'T GET THAT.
EVOLUTION?
EVOLUTION?
EVOLUTION ON HIS AGENDA, EVOLUTION ON HIS AGENDA, ESPECIALLY IN BRITAIN?
ESPECIALLY IN BRITAIN?
YOU SAW FROM THE MODERATOR'S YOU SAW FROM THE MODERATOR'S REACTION, HE TOOK IT AS A GIVEN REACTION, HE TOOK IT AS A GIVEN POLITICIANITISH POLITICIANITISH WOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION A WOULD ANSWER THE QUESTION A CERTAIN WAY AND I THINK HE CERTAIN WAY AND I THINK HE LOOKED AT IT AS A WAY TO PERHAPS LOOKED AT IT AS A WAY TO PERHAPS NEWS WITH SOMEONE RUNNING NEWS WITH SOMEONE RUNNING IN A REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT'S IN A REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT'S ACQUIRED A REPUTATION IN THE ACQUIRED A REPUTATION IN THE FOR BEINGTES FOR BEINGTES ANTI-SCIENCE.
ANTI-SCIENCE.
GWEN: I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE GWEN: I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE TIME AN AMERICAN REPORTER TIME AN AMERICAN REPORTER ASKED ABOUT EVOLUTION ON ANY ASKED ABOUT EVOLUTION ON ANY CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
IT SEEMED LIKE AN INTERESTING IT SEEMED LIKE AN INTERESTING QUESTION TO CHOOSE TO ASK AND QUESTION TO CHOOSE TO ASK AND ANSWER, BY THE ANSWER, BY THE WAY.
WAY.
>> GIVEN THE EVOLUTION OF THE >> GIVEN THE EVOLUTION OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND SOME OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND SOME OF THE THEY'VE TAKEN, THE THEY'VE TAKEN, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE MADE AN EFFECTIVE DEMOCRATS HAVE MADE AN EFFECTIVE POLITICAL ARGUMENT THAT THI THAH POLITICAL ARGUMENT THAT THI THAH SCIENCE.
SCIENCE.
THEY SAY IT ON CLIMATE.
THEY SAY IT ON CLIMATE.
THEY SAY IT ON ISSUES LIKE THEY SAY IT ON ISSUES LIKE AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THAT AND CLEARLY SCOTT THAT AND CLEARLY SCOTT EARLIER ABOUT PREPARED.
EARLIER ABOUT PREPARED.
CONGRESS PUNTING.
CONGRESS PUNTING.
THAT PUNTING LINE IS ONE THAT IS THAT PUNTING LINE IS ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE THROWN BACK AT HIM GOING TO BE THROWN BACK AT HIM FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND AS FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND AS YOU SAID, LONDON HAS SEEMED TO YOU SAID, LONDON HAS SEEMED TO DOOR.D OF A TRAP DOOR.D OF A TRAP BOBBY JINDAL, GOVERNOR OF BOBBY JINDAL, GOVERNOR OF THERE A COUPLE OF THERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, MADE COMMENTS ABOUT WEEKS AGO, MADE COMMENTS ABOUT MUSLIM NO-GO ZONES AND THE MAYOR MUSLIM NO-GO ZONES AND THE MAYOR OF LONDON WAS INTERVIEWED, I OF LONDON WAS INTERVIEWED, I BELIEVE, BY POLITICO, TODAY, BELIEVE, BY POLITICO, TODAY, SAID, THAT WAS COMPLETE SAID, THAT WAS COMPLETE NONSENSE.
NONSENSE.
MITT ROMNEY HAD PROBLEMS IN MITT ROMNEY HAD PROBLEMS IN IN 2012.
IN 2012.
AND IN FACT DAN PFEIFFER, AND IN FACT DAN PFEIFFER, THEOING SENIOR ADVISER TO THEOING SENIOR ADVISER TO PRESIDENT, SENT OUT A TWEET AND PRESIDENT, SENT OUT A TWEET AND SAID THE AMAZING THING ABOUT SAID THE AMAZING THING ABOUT OBAMA'S 2008 CAMPAIGN OBAMA'S 2008 CAMPAIGN WAS, ONE, HE PULLED OFF A WAS, ONE, HE PULLED OFF A SUCCESSFUL FOREIGN TRIP, AND SUCCESSFUL FOREIGN TRIP, AND HE'S NOW BAITED A SERIES OF HE'S NOW BAITED A SERIES OF REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES INTO GOING REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES INTO GOING UNSUCCESSFUL TRIPS.
UNSUCCESSFUL TRIPS.
>> THE ONE THING INTERESTING >> THE ONE THING INTERESTING ABOUT THE EVOLUTION QUESTION IS ABOUT THE EVOLUTION QUESTION IS IT SHOWS ANYTHING CAN COME UP IF IT SHOWS ANYTHING CAN COME UP IF YOU'RE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND YOU'RE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND YOU HAVE TO BE READY.
YOU HAVE TO BE READY.
DO WE THINK THESE GUYS -- IS IT DO WE THINK THESE GUYS -- IS IT BETTER FOR THEM TO HAVE THESE BETTER FOR THEM TO HAVE THESE NOW OR ARE THEY NOW OR ARE THEY SETTING THEMSELVES UP FOR SETTING THEMSELVES UP FOR AMMUNITION FOR OPPONENTS LATER AMMUNITION FOR OPPONENTS LATER ON?
ON?
>> I THINK THE FORMER.
>> I THINK THE FORMER.
THINK IT'S BETTER FOR THEM TO THINK IT'S BETTER FOR THEM TO FULL GLARE OF THE FULL GLARE OF THE LIGHT OF A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN LIGHT OF A PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN AND EVEN MORE EXPERIENCED AND EVEN MORE EXPERIENCED POLITICIANS LIKE JEB BUSH, WHO'S POLITICIANS LIKE JEB BUSH, WHO'S BEEN AROUND NATIONAL POLITICS BEEN AROUND NATIONAL POLITICS OFEVER, HE HAD A COUPLE OFEVER, HE HAD A COUPLE DIFFICULTIES THIS WEEK.
DIFFICULTIES THIS WEEK.
REMEMBER, HE HASN'T BEEN ON A REMEMBER, HE HASN'T BEEN ON A BALLOT SINCE 2002.
BALLOT SINCE 2002.
HIRED A CHIEF TECHNOLOGY HIRED A CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFFICER WHO, IT TURNED OUT, HAD OFFICER WHO, IT TURNED OUT, HAD SOME HIGHLY OFFENSIVE SOME HIGHLY OFFENSIVE THINGS ABOUT WOMEN AND AFRICAN THINGS ABOUT WOMEN AND AFRICAN AMERICANS.
AMERICANS.
WITH HIM WITHIN WITH HIM WITHIN 24 HOURS OF THOSE 24 HOURS OF THOSE ANNGS COMING OUT AND DID ANNGS COMING OUT AND DID EMAIL DUMP TO SHOW HE WAS EMAIL DUMP TO SHOW HE WAS TRANSPARENT AND SOME OF THOSE TRANSPARENT AND SOME OF THOSE EMAILS CONTAINED SENSITIVE EMAILS CONTAINED SENSITIVE INFORMATION ABOUT CONSTITUENTS INFORMATION ABOUT CONSTITUENTS THEY HAD TO SCRUB THEM.
THEY HAD TO SCRUB THEM.
YOU'VE HAD A SERIES OF PEOPLE, YOU'VE HAD A SERIES OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN THE REPUBLICAN ESPECIALLY IN THE REPUBLICAN ISN'T AINCE THERE ISN'T AINCE THERE NATURAL EXPERIENCED CANDIDATE, NATURAL EXPERIENCED CANDIDATE, YOU HAVE PEOPLE GETTING THEIR YOU HAVE PEOPLE GETTING THEIR WET AND THAT IS WHY A WET AND THAT IS WHY A SHAKEDOWN CRUISE WAS THE SHAKEDOWN CRUISE WAS THE RIGHT -- RIGHT -- QUESTION.MORE QUESTION.MORE >> THE REPUBLICANS HAVE TRIED TO >> THE REPUBLICANS HAVE TRIED TO ORGANIZE THE CAMPAIGN ORGANIZE THE CAMPAIGN SORT THINGS OUT FASTER.
SORT THINGS OUT FASTER.
IS THERE A SUGGESTION THAT IS THERE A SUGGESTION THAT THINGS ARE GOING TO SPEED UP?
THINGS ARE GOING TO SPEED UP?
OR IS IT GOING AT ITS OWN SLOW OR IS IT GOING AT ITS OWN SLOW PACE?
PACE?
WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT THE WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT THE TIMING?
TIMING?
INTERESTING PACE OF INTERESTING PACE OF THIS CAMPAIGN.
THIS CAMPAIGN.
IT'S GOING SLOWER.
IT'S GOING SLOWER.
AT THIS TIME IN 2007, HILLARY AT THIS TIME IN 2007, HILLARY AND BARACK OBAMA WERE AND BARACK OBAMA WERE BOTH DECLARED CANDIDATES.
BOTH DECLARED CANDIDATES.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY DECLARED WE DON'T HAVE ANY DECLARED CANDIDATES NOW.
CANDIDATES NOW.
HILLARY CLINTON WAS TRYING TO HILLARY CLINTON WAS TRYING TO GET HER TEAM TOGETHER AND THEY GET HER TEAM TOGETHER AND THEY IT BUMPS THIS WEEK OVER IT BUMPS THIS WEEK OVER FUND-RAISING, INTERNAL STRIFE, FUND-RAISING, INTERNAL STRIFE, IS PREPARING HERSELF.
IS PREPARING HERSELF.
JEB BUSH IS PREPARING HIMSELF.
JEB BUSH IS PREPARING HIMSELF.
BY SUMMERTIME THIS FIELD BY SUMMERTIME THIS FIELD WILL TAKE SHAPE.
WILL TAKE SHAPE.
GWEN: GOTTA GO.
GWEN: GOTTA GO.
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THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
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GOOD NIGHT.
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