GWEN: ON THE FOREIGN POLICY FRONT WE GO TO CEIA, JORDAN, FRONT WE GO TO CEIA, JORDAN, UKRAINE AND RUSSIA.
UKRAINE AND RUSSIA.
ON THE DOMESTIC FRONT, WE ON THE DOMESTIC FRONT, WE EXPLORE ECONOMIC BREAKTHROUGHS EXPLORE ECONOMIC BREAKTHROUGHS IN 2015 TRIP-UPS TONIGHT ON IN 2015 TRIP-UPS TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
"WASHINGTON WEEK."
>> NO GOD CONDONES TERROR.
>> NO GOD CONDONES TERROR.
NO GRIEVANCE JUSTIFIES THE NO GRIEVANCE JUSTIFIES THE TAKING OF INNOCENT LIVES.
TAKING OF INNOCENT LIVES.
GWEN: BUT ANOTHER INNOCENT LIFE GWEN: BUT ANOTHER INNOCENT LIFE REPORTEDLY TAKEN TODAY, THIS REPORTEDLY TAKEN TODAY, THIS TIME OF AN AMERICAN HOSTAGE, TIME OF AN AMERICAN HOSTAGE, RACES THE ANTE FOR AMERICAN RACES THE ANTE FOR AMERICAN INVOLVEMENT INVOLVED AGAINST INVOLVEMENT INVOLVED AGAINST ISLAMIC STATE TERRORISTS.
ISLAMIC STATE TERRORISTS.
PLUS, IN EASTERN UKRAINE -- PLUS, IN EASTERN UKRAINE -- >> THE PRESIDENT IS REVIEWING >> THE PRESIDENT IS REVIEWING ALL OF HIS OPTIONS.
ALL OF HIS OPTIONS.
AMONG THOSE IS OPTIONS OBVIOUSLY AMONG THOSE IS OPTIONS OBVIOUSLY IS THE POSSIBILITY OF IS THE POSSIBILITY OF UKRAINE.ING DEFENSIVE, UKRAINE.ING DEFENSIVE, GWEN: BACK HOMEWAGE, S ARE UP, GWEN: BACK HOMEWAGE, S ARE UP, EMPLOYERS ARE ADDING WORKERS AND EMPLOYERS ARE ADDING WORKERS AND MORE AMERICANS ARE LOOKING FOR MORE AMERICANS ARE LOOKING FOR JOBS.
JOBS.
ACTUAL GOOD ECONOMIC NEWS.
ACTUAL GOOD ECONOMIC NEWS.
AND 2016 PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFULS AND 2016 PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFULS RUNNING TO THE CAMPAIGN CYCLE'S RUNNING TO THE CAMPAIGN CYCLE'S FIRST FULL-SCALE DISTRACTION, FIRST FULL-SCALE DISTRACTION, THE VACCINE DEBATE.
THE VACCINE DEBATE.
>> APPARENTLY TO HAVE SOME >> APPARENTLY TO HAVE SOME MEASURE OF CHOICE AS WELL.
MEASURE OF CHOICE AS WELL.
THAT'S THE BALANCE THE THAT'S THE BALANCE THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO DECIDE.
GOVERNMENT HAS TO DECIDE.
GWEN: AS THE MEASLES OUTBREAK GWEN: AS THE MEASLES OUTBREAK INTENSIFIES, WHAT DO THE INTENSIFIES, WHAT DO THE CANDIDATES' ANSWERS TELL US CANDIDATES' ANSWERS TELL US ABOUT WHAT KIND OF ABOUT WHAT KIND OF THEY WOULD MAKE?
THEY WOULD MAKE?
COVERING THE WEEK, DOYLE COVERING THE WEEK, DOYLE MCMANUS, WALK COLUMNIST FOR MCMANUS, WALK COLUMNIST FOR "L.A. TIMES," MICHAEL CROWLEY, "L.A. TIMES," MICHAEL CROWLEY, SENIOR FOREIGN POLICY REPORTER SENIOR FOREIGN POLICY REPORTER FOR POLITICO.
FOR POLITICO.
AYMAN JAVERS, WASHINGTON AYMAN JAVERS, WASHINGTON CORESPONDENT FOR CNBC AND KAREN CORESPONDENT FOR CNBC AND KAREN TUMULTY, WASHINGTON POLITICAL TUMULTY, WASHINGTON POLITICAL CORESPONDENT FOR "THE WASHINGTON CORESPONDENT FOR "THE WASHINGTON POST."
>> LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL.
ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
TONIGHT TWO, HUGE SIMMERING TONIGHT TWO, HUGE SIMMERING FOREIGN POLICY CHALLENGES TOP FOREIGN POLICY CHALLENGES TOP WASHINGTON'S AGENDA.
WASHINGTON'S AGENDA.
IN EACH CASE THE FRONT-BURNER IN EACH CASE THE FRONT-BURNER QUESTION IS THE SAME -- HOW FAR QUESTION IS THE SAME -- HOW FAR WILL OR CAN THE U.S. GO TO COME WILL OR CAN THE U.S. GO TO COME TO THE AID OF ITS ALLIES?
TO THE AID OF ITS ALLIES?
ALLY NUMBER ONE, JORDAN.
ALLY NUMBER ONE, JORDAN.
KING ABDULLAH WAS IN WASHINGTON KING ABDULLAH WAS IN WASHINGTON THIS WEEK WHEN A JORDANIAN PILOT THIS WEEK WHEN A JORDANIAN PILOT WAS EXECUTED, BURNED ALIVE.
WAS EXECUTED, BURNED ALIVE.
HE MET WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HE MET WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA AND THEN RUSHED HOME, LEAVING BEHIND THEN RUSHED HOME, LEAVING BEHIND A RARE BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT THAT A RARE BIPARTISAN AGREEMENT THAT THE U.S. SHOULD STEP UP TO THE U.S. SHOULD STEP UP TO DEFEAT ISIS.
DEFEAT ISIS.
>> THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF >> THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF THINGS ALREADY IN THE PIPELINE, THINGS ALREADY IN THE PIPELINE, BUT SPEEDING THAT PROCESS UP BUT SPEEDING THAT PROCESS UP THROUGH THE BUREAUCRACY WOULD THROUGH THE BUREAUCRACY WOULD CEAINLRTY HELP THE JORDANIANS IN CEAINLRTY HELP THE JORDANIANS IN A TIME OF SIGNIFICANT NEED.
A TIME OF SIGNIFICANT NEED.
>> I BELIEVE THAT THE >> I BELIEVE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD MOVE ADMINISTRATION SHOULD MOVE QUICKLY TO GIVE MORE CAPACITY TO QUICKLY TO GIVE MORE CAPACITY TO THE JORDANIANS.
THE JORDANIANS.
GWEN: ALLY NUMBER TWO, UKRAINE, GWEN: ALLY NUMBER TWO, UKRAINE, WHERE EVERYONE DOES NOT AGREE ON WHERE EVERYONE DOES NOT AGREE ON THE U.S. ROLE, SHOULD WE ARM THE THE U.S. ROLE, SHOULD WE ARM THE UKRAINE GOVERNMENT AGAINST A UKRAINE GOVERNMENT AGAINST A RUSSIAN-BACKED INCURSION OR RUSSIAN-BACKED INCURSION OR STICK WITH THE HOPE OF A STICK WITH THE HOPE OF A DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION?
DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION?
>> IT'S UP TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE >> IT'S UP TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN STRUGGLING DEMOCRACIES TO IN STRUGGLING DEMOCRACIES TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED AND DO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED AND DO THE VERY BASIC THING THAT'S THE VERY BASIC THING THAT'S REQUIRED OF A FRIEND, GIVE YOU REQUIRED OF A FRIEND, GIVE YOU THE TOOLS TO HELP YOURSELF.
THE TOOLS TO HELP YOURSELF.
GWEN: BUT SO FAR THE WHITE HOUSE GWEN: BUT SO FAR THE WHITE HOUSE HAS RESISTED SENDING LETHAL AID.
HAS RESISTED SENDING LETHAL AID.
>> WE CANNOT AFFORD TO BE >> WE CANNOT AFFORD TO BE GUARDED BY ALARMISM AND NEARLY GUARDED BY ALARMISM AND NEARLY INSTANTOUS NEWS CYCLE.
INSTANTOUS NEWS CYCLE.
GWEN: STARTING WITH THE RISE OF GWEN: STARTING WITH THE RISE OF THE ISLAMIC STATE AND TODAY'S THE ISLAMIC STATE AND TODAY'S REPORT OF AMERICAN HOSTAGE, REPORT OF AMERICAN HOSTAGE, DOYLE, WHERE DO THINGS STAND DOYLE, WHERE DO THINGS STAND TONIGHT?
TONIGHT?
>> GWEN THINGS AT THE END OF THE >> GWEN THINGS AT THE END OF THE WEEK ARE RATHER SOBERING AND WEEK ARE RATHER SOBERING AND SAD.
SAD.
THAT YOUNG WOMAN, HER NAME WAS THAT YOUNG WOMAN, HER NAME WAS CALLEB MUELLER, 26 YEARS OLD CALLEB MUELLER, 26 YEARS OLD FROM PRESCOTT.
FROM PRESCOTT.
HERE'S THE HEARTBREAKING THING, HERE'S THE HEARTBREAKING THING, SHE WENT TO SYRIA AS A VOLUNTEER SHE WENT TO SYRIA AS A VOLUNTEER AID WORKER.
AID WORKER.
KIDNAPPED 18 MONTHS AGO.
KIDNAPPED 18 MONTHS AGO.
NO CONFIRMATION SHE WAS KILLED.
NO CONFIRMATION SHE WAS KILLED.
GWEN: I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT GWEN: I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT POINT.
POINT.
>> ISIS USUALLY RELEASES A >> ISIS USUALLY RELEASES A VIDEOTAPE.
VIDEOTAPE.
THEY CLAIM SHE WAS KILLED IN A THEY CLAIM SHE WAS KILLED IN A JORDANIAN AIR STRIKE.
JORDANIAN AIR STRIKE.
SPEGLATION IS SHE MAY HAVE BEEN SPEGLATION IS SHE MAY HAVE BEEN KILLED.
KILLED.
THEY DIDN'T RELEASE A VIDEOTAPE.
THEY DIDN'T RELEASE A VIDEOTAPE.
THEY MAYBE DIDN'T RELEASE A TAPE THEY MAYBE DIDN'T RELEASE A TAPE BECAUSE SHE WASN'T REALLY KILLED BECAUSE SHE WASN'T REALLY KILLED IN THE JORDANIAN AIR STRIKE.
IN THE JORDANIAN AIR STRIKE.
THE CONSEQUENCE, OF COURSE, THE CONSEQUENCE, OF COURSE, HORRIFYING AND BARBARIC HORRIFYING AND BARBARIC EXECUTION OF THAT JORDANIAN EXECUTION OF THAT JORDANIAN AL-KASABEH KILLED AT AL-KASABEH KILLED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE WEEK.
THE BEGINNING OF THE WEEK.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKED AT AND A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKED AT THIS NEWS, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY THIS NEWS, WHY ON EARTH DID THEY DO THIS?
DO THIS?
GWEN: DOES THIS CHANGE THE U.S. GWEN: DOES THIS CHANGE THE U.S. POLICY ABOUT HOSTAGE TAKING, POLICY ABOUT HOSTAGE TAKING, THEY WON'T DEAL WITH IT, OR DOES THEY WON'T DEAL WITH IT, OR DOES IT CHANGE JORDAN'S ROLE IN THE IT CHANGE JORDAN'S ROLE IN THE REGIONAL CONFLICT AGAINST ISIS?
REGIONAL CONFLICT AGAINST ISIS?
>> IT DOESN'T CHANGE EITHER OF >> IT DOESN'T CHANGE EITHER OF THOSE POLICIES AND, OK, IN A THOSE POLICIES AND, OK, IN A SENSE THAT'S KIND OF A SENSE THAT'S KIND OF A BITTERSWEET VICTORY OUT OF THIS.
BITTERSWEET VICTORY OUT OF THIS.
ISIS WAS CLEARLY TRYING TO ISIS WAS CLEARLY TRYING TO CHANGE JORDANIAN POLICY.
CHANGE JORDANIAN POLICY.
THE WHOLE POINT OF WHAT THEY'RE THE WHOLE POINT OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND DOING, AND I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND ANYONE WATCH THE VIDEOPE.TA ANYONE WATCH THE VIDEOPE.TA BUT IF YOU WATCH THE WHOLE BUT IF YOU WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEOTAPE AFTER THE EXECUTION, VIDEOTAPE AFTER THE EXECUTION, THEY ISSUE A CALL TO THEIR THEY ISSUE A CALL TO THEIR SUPPORTERS TO KILL OTHER SUPPORTERS TO KILL OTHER JORDANIAN PILOTS AND ACTUALLY JORDANIAN PILOTS AND ACTUALLY POST PURPORTEDLY THE PICTURES, POST PURPORTEDLY THE PICTURES, NAMES AND HOME ADDRESSES OF NAMES AND HOME ADDRESSES OF JORDANIAN PILOTS.
JORDANIAN PILOTS.
SO THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO DO TWO SO THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO DO TWO THINGS.
THINGS.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO SHAKE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO SHAKE JORDANIANS' FAITH IN THE WAR IN JORDANIANS' FAITH IN THE WAR IN THEIR REGIME.
THEIR REGIME.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO SHAKE FAITH IT WAS SUPPOSED TO SHAKE FAITH PARTICULARLY IN THE AIR FORCE PARTICULARLY IN THE AIR FORCE AND JSHEDIAN ARMED FORCES.
AND JSHEDIAN ARMED FORCES.
THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
JORDANIANS REACTED IN A SENSE JORDANIANS REACTED IN A SENSE NORMALLY.
NORMALLY.
ASKED, DEMANDED REVENGE.
ASKED, DEMANDED REVENGE.
THE KING ORDERED THE EXECUTION THE KING ORDERED THE EXECUTION OF TWO PRISONERS WHO WERE OF TWO PRISONERS WHO WERE ALREADY ON DEATH ROW, AL QAEDA ALREADY ON DEATH ROW, AL QAEDA PRISONERS, AND THEN CARRIED OUT PRISONERS, AND THEN CARRIED OUT A SERIES OF AIR STRIKES.
A SERIES OF AIR STRIKES.
GWEN: OK, MICHAEL, LET'S GO TO GWEN: OK, MICHAEL, LET'S GO TO UKRAINE WHERE THERE WERE ALSO UKRAINE WHERE THERE WERE ALSO EFFORTS UNDER WAY TO CHANGE U.S. EFFORTS UNDER WAY TO CHANGE U.S. POLICY, IN THIS CASE GET THE POLICY, IN THIS CASE GET THE U.S. MORE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN U.S. MORE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN PROVIDING LETHAL AID TO PROP UP PROVIDING LETHAL AID TO PROP UP THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT AS THE THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT AS THE INCURSIONS IN THE EASTERN PART INCURSIONS IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE COUNTRY CONTINUE AND ARE OF THE COUNTRY CONTINUE AND ARE WORSE.
WORSE.
SO WE'RE ABOUT A YEAR INTO THIS SO WE'RE ABOUT A YEAR INTO THIS CONFLICT.
CONFLICT.
FIRST YOU ATHE ANNEXATION OF FIRST YOU ATHE ANNEXATION OF CRIMEA, WHICH WAS BLOODLESS AND CRIMEA, WHICH WAS BLOODLESS AND BASICALLY PEACEFUL.
BASICALLY PEACEFUL.
SOME LOW-LEVEL VIOLENCE.
SOME LOW-LEVEL VIOLENCE.
NOW WHAT WE HAVE IS A LOW NOW WHAT WE HAVE IS A LOW INTENSITY CONFLICT, SOME WOULD INTENSITY CONFLICT, SOME WOULD CALL IT AN OUTRIGHT WAR N. CALL IT AN OUTRIGHT WAR N. EASTERN EUROPE, IN EASTERN EASTERN EUROPE, IN EASTERN UKRAINE.
UKRAINE.
5,000 DEAD NOW.
5,000 DEAD NOW.
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DS PLACED AND THERE IS A DEBATE DS PLACED AND THERE IS A DEBATE IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO THE EFFECT OF WE HAVE APPLIEDED THE EFFECT OF WE HAVE APPLIEDED ALL OF THESE SANCTIONS, U.S. ALL OF THESE SANCTIONS, U.S. SANCTIONS, EUROPEAN SANCTIONS, SANCTIONS, EUROPEAN SANCTIONS, DIPLOMATIC ISOLATION, AND IT'S DIPLOMATIC ISOLATION, AND IT'S NOT CHANGING VLADIMIR PUTIN'S NOT CHANGING VLADIMIR PUTIN'S BEHAVIOR, NOR IS THE FACT THAT BEHAVIOR, NOR IS THE FACT THAT PUTIN'S ECONOMY IS IN DEEP PUTIN'S ECONOMY IS IN DEEP TROUBLE, RUSSIA IS REALLY TROUBLE, RUSSIA IS REALLY FEELING THE ECONOMIC PAIN, AND FEELING THE ECONOMIC PAIN, AND IF ANYTHING, HE'S ESCALATING.
IF ANYTHING, HE'S ESCALATING.
THERE WAS A CEASE-FIRE AGREEMENT THERE WAS A CEASE-FIRE AGREEMENT IN SEPTEMBER IS, WHICH IS NOW IN SEPTEMBER IS, WHICH IS NOW BASICALLY IN TATTERS.
BASICALLY IN TATTERS.
TODAY FRENCH PRESIDENT OLIN AND TODAY FRENCH PRESIDENT OLIN AND GERMAN CHANCELLOR MERKEL WENT ON GERMAN CHANCELLOR MERKEL WENT ON AN EXTRAORDINARY TRIP TO MOSCOW AN EXTRAORDINARY TRIP TO MOSCOW AFTER STOPPING IN KIEV TO MEET AFTER STOPPING IN KIEV TO MEET WITH PUTIN.
WITH PUTIN.
THERE WAS HOPE THAT THEY HAD THERE WAS HOPE THAT THEY HAD SOME KIND OF SKELETON KEY HERE, SOME KIND OF SKELETON KEY HERE, SOME PLAN, SOME DEAL THAT WOULD SOME PLAN, SOME DEAL THAT WOULD UNLOCK THIS ALL AND DEESCALATE UNLOCK THIS ALL AND DEESCALATE FROM THIS MOMENT WE'RE AT WHERE FROM THIS MOMENT WE'RE AT WHERE THERE'S TALK OF MILITARY THERE'S TALK OF MILITARY ESCALATION FROM THE WEST, FROM ESCALATION FROM THE WEST, FROM THE UNITED STATES.
THE UNITED STATES.
THEY'VE LEFT MOSCOW, IT APPEARS THEY'VE LEFT MOSCOW, IT APPEARS BASICALLY EMPTY-HANDED.
BASICALLY EMPTY-HANDED.
THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP TALKING THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP TALKING BUT WE HAVE NO BREAKTHROUGH.
BUT WE HAVE NO BREAKTHROUGH.
GWEN: SO THE U.S. OBVIOUSLY IS GWEN: SO THE U.S. OBVIOUSLY IS NOT PART OF THESE DISCUSSIONS.
NOT PART OF THESE DISCUSSIONS.
WAS THERE HOPE OF THE WAS THERE HOPE OF THE ADMINISTRATION THAT THIS WOULD ADMINISTRATION THAT THIS WOULD GET SORTED OUT WITHOUT THEIR GET SORTED OUT WITHOUT THEIR INVOLVEMENT?
INVOLVEMENT?
>> NOT ONLY THE ADMINISTRATION >> NOT ONLY THE ADMINISTRATION BUT EUROPEANS.
BUT EUROPEANS.
THE EUROPEANS BY AND LARGE DON'T THE EUROPEANS BY AND LARGE DON'T WANT TO SEE AN ESCALATION HERE.
WANT TO SEE AN ESCALATION HERE.
IN FACT, OLIN A FEW WEEKS AGO IN FACT, OLIN A FEW WEEKS AGO SAID WE SHOULD START THINKING SAID WE SHOULD START THINKING ABOUT REDUCING THE SANCTIONS AS ABOUT REDUCING THE SANCTIONS AS A CARROT TO TRY TO GET PUTIN TO A CARROT TO TRY TO GET PUTIN TO BACK OFF.
BACK OFF.
THE EUROPEANS DON'T LIKE THE IS THE EUROPEANS DON'T LIKE THE IS SANCTIONS.
SANCTIONS.
THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEIR THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEIR ECONOMIES OUT OF THE MUD.
ECONOMIES OUT OF THE MUD.
PRESIDENT OBAMA DOES NOT WANT TO PRESIDENT OBAMA DOES NOT WANT TO SEND LETHAL AID.
SEND LETHAL AID.
IT WOULD BE DEFENSIVE.
IT WOULD BE DEFENSIVE.
IT'S ANTI-TANK MISSILES, IT'S ANTI-TANK MISSILES, SURVEILLANCE DRONES, IT'S RADAR.
SURVEILLANCE DRONES, IT'S RADAR.
SO IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE WEAPONS, SO IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE WEAPONS, IT'S DIDN'TIVE.
IT'S DIDN'TIVE.
BUT OBAMA DOES NOT, I THINK, BUT OBAMA DOES NOT, I THINK, WANT TO GET INTO A MORE INTENSE WANT TO GET INTO A MORE INTENSE CONFRONTATION WITH PUTIN IN CONFRONTATION WITH PUTIN IN WHICH MANY PEOPLE WORRY PUTIN WHICH MANY PEOPLE WORRY PUTIN WILL SIMPLY DOUBLE DOWN, RESPOND WILL SIMPLY DOUBLE DOWN, RESPOND TO THE CHALLENGE BY ESCALATING TO THE CHALLENGE BY ESCALATING AND VIOLENCE SPIRALS AND WHO AND VIOLENCE SPIRALS AND WHO KNOWS WHAPPEDS.
KNOWS WHAPPEDS.
>> WHERE ARE THE EUROPEANS NOW >> WHERE ARE THE EUROPEANS NOW ON SANCTIONS?
ON SANCTIONS?
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WAS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WAS VERY CAREFUL AS THEY WORKED WITH VERY CAREFUL AS THEY WORKED WITH THE ECONOMIC ALLIES WITH THE ECONOMIC ALLIES WITH SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA BECAUSE SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO BRING THOSE ALONG THEY WANTED TO BRING THOSE ALONG AND PRESENT THE UNITED FRONT.
AND PRESENT THE UNITED FRONT.
IS THAT UNITED FRONT STARTING TO IS THAT UNITED FRONT STARTING TO FRACTURE NOW?
FRACTURE NOW?
>> YES, AS I SAID THEY RAISED >> YES, AS I SAID THEY RAISED THE IDEA OF DIALINGING BACK THE IDEA OF DIALINGING BACK SANCTIONS.
SANCTIONS.
GREEKS HAVE EXPRESSED SKEPTICISM GREEKS HAVE EXPRESSED SKEPTICISM ABOUT THE SANCTIONS REGIME.
ABOUT THE SANCTIONS REGIME.
AND I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU THE AND I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU THE EUROPEAN ECONOMY HAS BEEN IN EUROPEAN ECONOMY HAS BEEN IN DEEP PAIN AND THIS DOESN'T HELP.
DEEP PAIN AND THIS DOESN'T HELP.
IN ADDITION EUROPE REALLY IN ADDITION EUROPE REALLY DEPENDS ON RUSSIA FOR ENERGY.
DEPENDS ON RUSSIA FOR ENERGY.
THE GERMANS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE GERMANS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THAT.
THAT SAID, THE EUROPEANS BY AND THAT SAID, THE EUROPEANS BY AND LARGE WOULD PREFER THE SANCTIONS LARGE WOULD PREFER THE SANCTIONS ROUTE TO THE MILITARY ROUTE.
ROUTE TO THE MILITARY ROUTE.
I SPOKE TO A GERMAN DIPLOMAT I SPOKE TO A GERMAN DIPLOMAT THIS WEEK WHO WAS SAYING, YOU THIS WEEK WHO WAS SAYING, YOU AMERICANS ARE TALKING ABOUT AMERICANS ARE TALKING ABOUT SENDING ARMS.
SENDING ARMS.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE THIS IS DO YOU KNOW WHERE THIS IS HEADED?
HEADED?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S LIKELY TO DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S LIKELY TO DO NEXT?
DO NEXT?
IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS.
IT'S REALLY DANGEROUS.
THEY MAY PREFER SANCTIONS, EVEN THEY MAY PREFER SANCTIONS, EVEN IF THEY DON'T LIKE THEM, TO IF THEY DON'T LIKE THEM, TO ESCALATION OF MILITARY AID.
ESCALATION OF MILITARY AID.
>> DOYLE, SPEAKING UNITED >> DOYLE, SPEAKING UNITED FRONTS, BACK IT ISIS, THERE'S AN FRONTS, BACK IT ISIS, THERE'S AN INTERNATIONAL COALITION THAT'S INTERNATIONAL COALITION THAT'S BEEN ASSEMBLED TO PUSH ISIS BEEN ASSEMBLED TO PUSH ISIS BACK.
BACK.
WHAT'S THE BIG PICTURE HERE?
WHAT'S THE BIG PICTURE HERE?
ARE THEY MAKING PROGRESS?
ARE THEY MAKING PROGRESS?
>> WELL, IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK >> WELL, IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK FOR ANYTHING IN COMMON BETWEEN FOR ANYTHING IN COMMON BETWEEN THESE TWO CRISES WE'RE TALKING THESE TWO CRISES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK IT'S IN THAT ABOUT, I THINK IT'S IN THAT QUESTION.
QUESTION.
FIRST, YOU'VE GOT A COALITION FIRST, YOU'VE GOT A COALITION THAT'S UNDER STRAIN.
THAT'S UNDER STRAIN.
IN THE CASE OF ISIS, OB, THEY IN THE CASE OF ISIS, OB, THEY WERE TRYING TO GET JORDAN OUT WERE TRYING TO GET JORDAN OUT BUT ALSO THE OTHER ARAB BUT ALSO THE OTHER ARAB COUNTRIES.
COUNTRIES.
WE ONLY LEARNED THIS WEEK THE WE ONLY LEARNED THIS WEEK THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, WHO HAD UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, WHO HAD BEEN VERY ENTHUSIASTIC AT THE BEEN VERY ENTHUSIASTIC AT THE OUTSET IN TERMS OF AIR STRIKES, OUTSET IN TERMS OF AIR STRIKES, PULLED THEIR PILOTS OUT OF THIS PULLED THEIR PILOTS OUT OF THIS AFTER THAT JORDANIAN WAS SHOT AFTER THAT JORDANIAN WAS SHOT DOWN BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T THINK DOWN BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T THINK SEARCH AND RESCUE, OR THEIR SEARCH AND RESCUE, OR THEIR EXCUSE WAS THEY DIDN'T THINK EXCUSE WAS THEY DIDN'T THINK THEIR SEARCH AND RESCUE, THE THEIR SEARCH AND RESCUE, THE AMERICAN SEARCH AND RESCUE IS AMERICAN SEARCH AND RESCUE IS PREPARATIONS WERE FORWARD ENOUGH PREPARATIONS WERE FORWARD ENOUGH AND QUICK ENOUGH.
AND QUICK ENOUGH.
HERE'S A SMALL, LITTLE DETAIL.
HERE'S A SMALL, LITTLE DETAIL.
IN THOSE MIDDLE EASTERN IN THOSE MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES, PILOTS IN THE AIR COUNTRIES, PILOTS IN THE AIR FORCE ARE USUALLY FROM THE FORCE ARE USUALLY FROM THE ELITE.
ELITE.
THESE ARE PEOPLE FROM VERY GOOD THESE ARE PEOPLE FROM VERY GOOD AND VERY INFLUENTIAL FAMILIES.
AND VERY INFLUENTIAL FAMILIES.
THAT'S A REAL PRESSURE POINT.
THAT'S A REAL PRESSURE POINT.
HOW DO YOU MEASURE PROGRESS IN HOW DO YOU MEASURE PROGRESS IN EITHER ONE OF THESE CASES?
EITHER ONE OF THESE CASES?
THAT'S VERY, VERY TOUGH AND -- THAT'S VERY, VERY TOUGH AND -- >> DIPLOMACY IS NOT ON THE TABLE >> DIPLOMACY IS NOT ON THE TABLE WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH ISIS.
WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH ISIS.
>> NO.
>> NO.
AND THEY'RE YOU'RE LOOKING AT A AND THEY'RE YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MILITARY STRUGGLE IN IRAQ WHICH, MILITARY STRUGGLE IN IRAQ WHICH, NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS MAKING SOME NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS MAKING SOME PROGRESS BUT IT'S AGOINGLY SLOW.
PROGRESS BUT IT'S AGOINGLY SLOW.
THEY'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT HOPEFULLY RETAKING MOSUL, THE HOPEFULLY RETAKING MOSUL, THE SECOND LARGEST CITY SOME TIME SECOND LARGEST CITY SOME TIME LATER THIS YEAR.
LATER THIS YEAR.
CLEARIA, THERE'S STILL NO CLEARIA, THERE'S STILL NO STRATEGY, AND IN FACT IF YOU STRATEGY, AND IN FACT IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THE TERRITORY LOOK AT THE WAY THE TERRITORY HAS MOVED, SOME PEOPLE ARE HAS MOVED, SOME PEOPLE ARE ARGUING ISIS IS MOVING AHEAD AND ARGUING ISIS IS MOVING AHEAD AND SOME PEOPLE ARE ARGUING IT'S SOME PEOPLE ARE ARGUING IT'S MOVING BEHIND.
MOVING BEHIND.
GWEN: LET ME ASK YOU BOTH, DON'T GWEN: LET ME ASK YOU BOTH, DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S JUST KNOW WHETHER IT'S JUST PERCEPTION ARE REALITY BUT IS PERCEPTION ARE REALITY BUT IS THE U.S. ON THE BASICALLY THE U.S. ON THE BASICALLY SIDELINES IN ALL OF THIS WAITING SIDELINES IN ALL OF THIS WAITING TO HOPE OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ON TO HOPE OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ON THE GROUND CHANGE?
THE GROUND CHANGE?
OR OR THEY BEHIND THE SCENES OR OR THEY BEHIND THE SCENES REALLY PUSHING AN OUTCOME BUT REALLY PUSHING AN OUTCOME BUT THEY REALIZE THEIR HEAVY HAND THEY REALIZE THEIR HEAVY HAND PRINT MAY NOT BE HELPFUL PRINT MAY NOT BE HELPFUL STARTING IN UKRAINE?
STARTING IN UKRAINE?
>> I THINK IN UKRAINE, THERE'S A >> I THINK IN UKRAINE, THERE'S A DEGREE TO WHICH PUTIN IS DEGREE TO WHICH PUTIN IS ENCOURAGING THIS DIPLOMACY WITH ENCOURAGING THIS DIPLOMACY WITH THE EUROPEANS, WHO DO NOT THE EUROPEANS, WHO DO NOT SUPPORT MILITARY ESCALATION.
SUPPORT MILITARY ESCALATION.
AND I THINK PUTIN LIKES TO KEEP AND I THINK PUTIN LIKES TO KEEP THE AMERICANS OUT OF IT AS MUCH THE AMERICANS OUT OF IT AS MUCH AS HE CAN.
AS HE CAN.
I THINK HE THINKS HE CAN I THINK HE THINKS HE CAN PROBABLY GET A BETTER DEAL WITH PROBABLY GET A BETTER DEAL WITH THE EUROPEANS.
THE EUROPEANS.
SO IN THAT REGARD, FOR INSTANCE, SO IN THAT REGARD, FOR INSTANCE, THIS DIPLOMACY HAPPENING TODAY THIS DIPLOMACY HAPPENING TODAY THAT WAS QUITE THAT DRAMATIC, WE THAT WAS QUITE THAT DRAMATIC, WE WERE NOT A CENTRAL PART OF.
WERE NOT A CENTRAL PART OF.
HOWEVER THE MINUTE WE START HOWEVER THE MINUTE WE START SENDING THOSE DEFENSIVE WEAPONS SENDING THOSE DEFENSIVE WEAPONS INTO UKRAINE, THAT WILL TURN ON INTO UKRAINE, THAT WILL TURN ON A DIME.
A DIME.
AND AMERICA'S ABILITY TO IMPOSE AND AMERICA'S ABILITY TO IMPOSE SANCTIONS REMAINS POWERFUL.
SANCTIONS REMAINS POWERFUL.
THERE ARE CARDS WE HAVE NOT THERE ARE CARDS WE HAVE NOT PLAYED INCLUDING CUTTING RUSSIA PLAYED INCLUDING CUTTING RUSSIA OFF FROM THE SO-CALLED SWIFT OFF FROM THE SO-CALLED SWIFT BANKING SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD BE BANKING SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD BE MAJOR ESCALATION.
MAJOR ESCALATION.
WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF CARDS TO WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF CARDS TO PLAY.
PLAY.
GWEN: CARDS TO PLAY ON THE OTHER GWEN: CARDS TO PLAY ON THE OTHER ONE?
ONE?
>> THE UNITED STATES IS FRONT >> THE UNITED STATES IS FRONT AND CENTER.
AND CENTER.
THERE'S NOBODY IS ELSE IN THAT THERE'S NOBODY IS ELSE IN THAT REGION WHO IS BOTH ABLE AND REGION WHO IS BOTH ABLE AND WILLING TO ORGANIZE THE MILITARY WILLING TO ORGANIZE THE MILITARY AND THE DIPLOMACY SIDE OF THIS.
AND THE DIPLOMACY SIDE OF THIS.
REALLY WHAT ISIS IS TRYING TO DO REALLY WHAT ISIS IS TRYING TO DO IS GET THE ARAB COUNTRIES OUT OF IS GET THE ARAB COUNTRIES OUT OF IT AND TURN IT INTO AN ARAB VERS IT AND TURN IT INTO AN ARAB VERS AMERICAN WAR.
AMERICAN WAR.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO KEEP, ESPECIALLY THOSE SUNNI TO KEEP, ESPECIALLY THOSE SUNNI ARAB COUNTRIES, IN THIS FIGHT.
ARAB COUNTRIES, IN THIS FIGHT.
GWEN: OK, THANKS BOTH OF YOU.
GWEN: OK, THANKS BOTH OF YOU.
THE BAD HEADLINES FROM AROUND THE BAD HEADLINES FROM AROUND THE WORLD TEND TO OVERWHELM GOOD THE WORLD TEND TO OVERWHELM GOOD ONES AT HOME BUT TODAY'S NEWS ONES AT HOME BUT TODAY'S NEWS ABOUT THE ECONOMY WAS ABOUT THE ECONOMY WAS INDISPUTEABLY GOOD.
INDISPUTEABLY GOOD.
MORE JOBS, HIGHER WAGES AND MORE MORE JOBS, HIGHER WAGES AND MORE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR WORK.
PEOPLE LOOKING FOR WORK.
THE PRESIDENT TOOK A MOMENT OUT THE PRESIDENT TOOK A MOMENT OUT OF HIS DAY TRAVELING IN INDIANA OF HIS DAY TRAVELING IN INDIANA TO CHEER THE NEWS.
TO CHEER THE NEWS.
>> AMERICA IS POISED FOR ANOTHER >> AMERICA IS POISED FOR ANOTHER GOOD YEAR.
GOOD YEAR.
INDIANAPOLIS IS POISED FOR INDIANAPOLIS IS POISED FOR ANOTHER GOOD YEAR.
ANOTHER GOOD YEAR.
AS LONG AS WASHINGTON WORKS TO AS LONG AS WASHINGTON WORKS TO KEEP THIS PROGRESS GOING.
KEEP THIS PROGRESS GOING.
GWEN: THE REMARKABLE THING ABOUT GWEN: THE REMARKABLE THING ABOUT THE NUMBER IS THAT TODAY'S GOOD THE NUMBER IS THAT TODAY'S GOOD NEWS EXTENDED BACKWARD, TOO, NEWS EXTENDED BACKWARD, TOO, DIDN'T IT?
DIDN'T IT?
IT WASN'T JUST TODAY?
IT WASN'T JUST TODAY?
>> THAT'S RIGHT, GWEN.
>> THAT'S RIGHT, GWEN.
THIS WAS A BIG-TIME JOBS REPORT.
THIS WAS A BIG-TIME JOBS REPORT.
257,000 JOBS CREATED JUST IN 257,000 JOBS CREATED JUST IN MONTH OF JANUARY IN THE OUT.
MONTH OF JANUARY IN THE OUT.
THAT'S WELL ABOVE EXPECTATIONS.
THAT'S WELL ABOVE EXPECTATIONS.
AND THE REVISIONS, AS YOU SAY, AND THE REVISIONS, AS YOU SAY, GOING BACK, ALWAYS LOOK BACK A GOING BACK, ALWAYS LOOK BACK A COUPLE MONTHS AND SCOOF THE COUPLE MONTHS AND SCOOF THE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT.
NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT.
THOSE WERE UP AS WELL FOR THE THOSE WERE UP AS WELL FOR THE PREVIOUS TWO MONTHS.
PREVIOUS TWO MONTHS.
VERY GOOD TREND LINE NOW.
VERY GOOD TREND LINE NOW.
WE HAVE ABOUT 11 MONTHS OF WE HAVE ABOUT 11 MONTHS OF 200,000-PLUS JOB GROWTH IN THIS 200,000-PLUS JOB GROWTH IN THIS COUNTRY AND GOOD NEWS FOR MIDDLE COUNTRY AND GOOD NEWS FOR MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS, WAGES WERE UP A CLASS AMERICANS, WAGES WERE UP A SCOOCH BUT EARNINGS UP A LOT.
SCOOCH BUT EARNINGS UP A LOT.
AND ALSO WE SAW THIS WHOLE ISSUE AND ALSO WE SAW THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF HOURS COMING INTO FOCUS.
OF HOURS COMING INTO FOCUS.
HOURS WERE UP.
HOURS WERE UP.
THAT MEANS PEOPLE WHO ARE THAT MEANS PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING PART TIME ARE GETTING WORKING PART TIME ARE GETTING MORE WORK.
MORE WORK.
THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THE KIND OF THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THE KIND OF WORK THAT THEY WANT AND THAT WORK THAT THEY WANT AND THAT MEANS EARNINGS ARE GOOD AND MEANS EARNINGS ARE GOOD AND THAT'S GOOD FOR MIDDLE CLASS THAT'S GOOD FOR MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS.
AMERICANS.
GWEN: WHY?
GWEN: WHY?
WAS IT RESULT OF POLICY OR AS A WAS IT RESULT OF POLICY OR AS A RESULT OF A NATURAL REBOUND?
RESULT OF A NATURAL REBOUND?
>> NATURAL REBOUND.
>> NATURAL REBOUND.
YOU SEE REPUBLICANS SAYING IT'S YOU SEE REPUBLICANS SAYING IT'S BECAUSE OF REPUBLICAN POLICIES, BECAUSE OF REPUBLICAN POLICIES, DEMOCRATS SAYING BECAUSE OF DEMOCRATS SAYING BECAUSE OF DEMOCRATIC POLICIES.
DEMOCRATIC POLICIES.
BUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS A BUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS A VIRTUAL CYCLE IN THE U.S.
VIRTUAL CYCLE IN THE U.S. ECONOMY WHERE THINGS ARE MOVING ECONOMY WHERE THINGS ARE MOVING ALONG.
ALONG.
IF ANYBODY IN WASHINGTON IS IF ANYBODY IN WASHINGTON IS GOING TO GET ANY CREDIT FOR ANY GOING TO GET ANY CREDIT FOR ANY OF THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE THE OF THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE THE FOLKS OVER AT THE FED.
FOLKS OVER AT THE FED.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SEEMS >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SEEMS TO BE DRIVING THE ECONOMIC TO BE DRIVING THE ECONOMIC REBOUND IS THE DIP IT IN OIL REBOUND IS THE DIP IT IN OIL PRICES.
PRICES.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME ONE OF THE BUT AT THE SAME TIME ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IN STATES LIKE REASONS THAT IN STATES LIKE NORTH DAKOTA AND TEXAS, THEY NORTH DAKOTA AND TEXAS, THEY HAVE HAD SUCH LOW UNEMPLOYMENT HAVE HAD SUCH LOW UNEMPLOYMENT IS BECAUSE OF THE BOOM IN IS BECAUSE OF THE BOOM IN FRACKING.
FRACKING.
WHAT HAPPEN WHEN'S OIL PRICES WHAT HAPPEN WHEN'S OIL PRICES DROP, IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT DROP, IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT JOBS NUMBERS?
JOBS NUMBERS?
>> ON A MACRO LEVEL, IT'S GOING >> ON A MACRO LEVEL, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE U.S. ECONOMY TO AFFECT THE U.S. ECONOMY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO PUT MORE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO PUT MORE MONEY IN THE WALLETS OF AMERICAN MONEY IN THE WALLETS OF AMERICAN CONSUMERS.
CONSUMERS.
THEY WILL BUY THINGS.
THEY WILL BUY THINGS.
THAT'S GOOD FOR JOBS.
THAT'S GOOD FOR JOBS.
BAD FOR JOBS IN THE OIL PATCH.
BAD FOR JOBS IN THE OIL PATCH.
WE HAVE SEEN U.S. OIL PRODUCERS WE HAVE SEEN U.S. OIL PRODUCERS SIGNALING THEY WILL START TO SIGNALING THEY WILL START TO SLOW DOWN OR STOP PRODUCTION SLOW DOWN OR STOP PRODUCTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE A REAL SUPPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A REAL SUPPLY AND DEMAND PROBLEM.
AND DEMAND PROBLEM.
THERE'S A GLUT OF OIL OUT THERE.
THERE'S A GLUT OF OIL OUT THERE.
IT'S DRIVING PRICES DOWN.
IT'S DRIVING PRICES DOWN.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD THAT.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD THAT.
IN NORTH DAKOTA, THEY'VE GOT TO IN NORTH DAKOTA, THEY'VE GOT TO WATCH TO SEE WHEN THOSE OIL WATCH TO SEE WHEN THOSE OIL FIELDS BECOME NONCOMPETITIVE FIELDS BECOME NONCOMPETITIVE ECONOMICALLY.
ECONOMICALLY.
THERE'S A DANGER FOR THAT.
THERE'S A DANGER FOR THAT.
GWEN: THE PRESIDENT MADE A SIDE GWEN: THE PRESIDENT MADE A SIDE APPEARANCE IN INDIANA SAYING I APPEARANCE IN INDIANA SAYING I KNOW YOUR GAS PRICES ARE LOW AND KNOW YOUR GAS PRICES ARE LOW AND YOU'RE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
YOU'RE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
DON'T GET USED TO IT AND START DON'T GET USED TO IT AND START BUYING ROAD HOGS.
BUYING ROAD HOGS.
THEY WILL GO BACK UP AGAIN.
THEY WILL GO BACK UP AGAIN.
>> THE OLD SAYING ABOUT GAS >> THE OLD SAYING ABOUT GAS PRIES IS THEY GO UP LIKE RICHT PRIES IS THEY GO UP LIKE RICHT AND DOWN LIKE A FEATHER.
AND DOWN LIKE A FEATHER.
THEY GO UP FAST.
THEY GO UP FAST.
>> IF THIS NUMBER FOR JOB >> IF THIS NUMBER FOR JOB CREATION WAS SO GOOD, HOW COME CREATION WAS SO GOOD, HOW COME THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE WENT UP THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE WENT UP AND HOW COME THE STOCK MARKET AND HOW COME THE STOCK MARKET WENT DOWN?
WENT DOWN?
>> STOCK MARKET GOING DOWN WAS >> STOCK MARKET GOING DOWN WAS FASCINATING QUESTION.
FASCINATING QUESTION.
THE DOW CLOSED LOWER.
THE DOW CLOSED LOWER.
THE DOW FUTURES INITIALLY ON THE THE DOW FUTURES INITIALLY ON THE NEWS AT 830:001 POPPED NICELY NEWS AT 830:001 POPPED NICELY LIKE YOU WOULD EXPECT.
LIKE YOU WOULD EXPECT.
OVER THE RECOURSE OF THE DAY WE OVER THE RECOURSE OF THE DAY WE SAW A RETREAT OF THE DOW.
SAW A RETREAT OF THE DOW.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS WALL THE REASON FOR THAT IS WALL STREET TRADERS WORRY VERY MUCH STREET TRADERS WORRY VERY MUCH ABOUT WHAT THE FED WILL DO AS A ABOUT WHAT THE FED WILL DO AS A RESULT OF THIS SIGNAL FROM THE RESULT OF THIS SIGNAL FROM THE U.S. ECONOMY.
U.S. ECONOMY.
THEY WORRY THE FED IS GOING TO THEY WORRY THE FED IS GOING TO PULL BACK ON THE STIMULUS THAT'S PULL BACK ON THE STIMULUS THAT'S BEEN INJECTED INTO THE U.S. BEEN INJECTED INTO THE U.S. ECONOMY.
ECONOMY.
THEY MIGHT TURN THE CORNER AND THEY MIGHT TURN THE CORNER AND RAISE INTEREST RATES AT SOME RAISE INTEREST RATES AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE SIX MONTHS POINT IN THE FUTURE SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR FROM NOW.
OR A YEAR FROM NOW.
THAT FEAR IS WHAT DROVE THE DOW THAT FEAR IS WHAT DROVE THE DOW TO TREND DOWN DURING THE COURSE TO TREND DOWN DURING THE COURSE OF THE DAY.
OF THE DAY.
THINGS THAT ARE GREAT FOR THINGS THAT ARE GREAT FOR AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS WORKERS AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS WORKERS ARE NOT NECESSARILY GREAT FOR ARE NOT NECESSARILY GREAT FOR GUYS ON TRADING FLOORS IN WALL GUYS ON TRADING FLOORS IN WALL STREET.
STREET.
>> FOR LCO YEARS, >> FOR LCO YEARS, PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS BEEN TRYING PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS BEEN TRYING TO TALK UP THE ECONOMY, TAKE TO TALK UP THE ECONOMY, TAKE CREDIT FOR THE FACT THERE'S BEEN CREDIT FOR THE FACT THERE'S BEEN STEADY GROWTH WHILE NOT SEEMING STEADY GROWTH WHILE NOT SEEMING TO CELEBRATE PREMATURELY BECAUSE TO CELEBRATE PREMATURELY BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE STURT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE STURT HURTING.
HURTING.
ARE WE KIND OF CROSSING THE LINE ARE WE KIND OF CROSSING THE LINE INTO THAT GLOATING PHASE YET?
INTO THAT GLOATING PHASE YET?
IS HE SPIKING THE FOOTBALL YET?
IS HE SPIKING THE FOOTBALL YET?
>> YOU CAN TELL THE OBAMA WHITE >> YOU CAN TELL THE OBAMA WHITE HOUSE WANTS TO GET MORE CREDIT HOUSE WANTS TO GET MORE CREDIT FOR THE U.S. ECONOMY.
FOR THE U.S. ECONOMY.
THEY WANT PEOPLE TO SAY WAIT A THEY WANT PEOPLE TO SAY WAIT A SECOND, WE ARE CREATING 200,000 SECOND, WE ARE CREATING 200,000 JOBS -- JOBS -- GWEN: DON'T THEY DESERVE A GWEN: DON'T THEY DESERVE A LITTLE BIT OF THE CREDIT?
LITTLE BIT OF THE CREDIT?
>> PRESIDENTS TRADITIONALLY GET >> PRESIDENTS TRADITIONALLY GET CREDIT AND BLAME.
CREDIT AND BLAME.
GWEN: YEAH, CERTAINLY GOT THE GWEN: YEAH, CERTAINLY GOT THE BLAME.
BLAME.
>> DEFINITELY GOT THE BLAME.
>> DEFINITELY GOT THE BLAME.
BUT WHAT THIS WHITE HOUSE HAS BUT WHAT THIS WHITE HOUSE HAS BEEN CAREFUL ABOUT AND YOU SEE BEEN CAREFUL ABOUT AND YOU SEE THIS ON THE DAY OF THE JOB THIS ON THE DAY OF THE JOB REPORT IN FLORIDA, COME OUT WITH REPORT IN FLORIDA, COME OUT WITH A STATEMENT AND PUT OFFICIALS ON A STATEMENT AND PUT OFFICIALS ON THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN TO TALK TO THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN TO TALK TO CNBC AND OTHER NETWORKS AND SAY CNBC AND OTHER NETWORKS AND SAY IT'S REALLY GOOD BUT WE CAN DO IT'S REALLY GOOD BUT WE CAN DO MORE.
MORE.
IT'S REALLY GOOD BUT HERE'S WHAT IT'S REALLY GOOD BUT HERE'S WHAT WE WILL DO TO FIX THE REST OF WE WILL DO TO FIX THE REST OF THE PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM.
THE REASON IS THEY DON'T WANT THE REASON IS THEY DON'T WANT THAT MISSION ACCOMPLISHED MOMENT THAT MISSION ACCOMPLISHED MOMENT WHERE THEY ARE TAKING CREDIT FOR WHERE THEY ARE TAKING CREDIT FOR EVERYTHING BEING FIXED AND EVERYTHING BEING FIXED AND AMERICANS STILL FEELING PAIN AND AMERICANS STILL FEELING PAIN AND LOOKING SAYING THESE PEOPLE LOOKING SAYING THESE PEOPLE DON'T GET IT.
DON'T GET IT.
GWEN: ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT THE GWEN: ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THE FIRST THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THE FIRST HALF OF THE SHOW, THE GLOBAL HALF OF THE SHOW, THE GLOBAL ISSUES WHICH COULD DESTIBLIZE ISSUES WHICH COULD DESTIBLIZE SNEVERING SNEVERING >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
YOU ARE SEEING WEIRDNESS IN YOU ARE SEEING WEIRDNESS IN GREEK WELCOMES, ISIS, UKRAINE, GREEK WELCOMES, ISIS, UKRAINE, ALL OF THAT CAN DISRUPT GLOBAL ALL OF THAT CAN DISRUPT GLOBAL MARKETS.
MARKETS.
THERE'S ALWAYS AN UNCERTAINTY THERE'S ALWAYS AN UNCERTAINTY FACTOR.
FACTOR.
THEY TEND TO STAY AWAY FROM THEY TEND TO STAY AWAY FROM TALKING ABOUT THE STOCK MARKET TALKING ABOUT THE STOCK MARKET AND TEN TO STAY AWAY TAKING AND TEN TO STAY AWAY TAKING ABSOLUTE FULL CREDIT, SECRETLY ABSOLUTE FULL CREDIT, SECRETLY THEY WANT IT AND ARE ASKING FOR THEY WANT IT AND ARE ASKING FOR IT.
IT.
GWEN: FUNNY.
GWEN: FUNNY.
IT'S LIKE SAYING HELLO, NO, IT'S LIKE SAYING HELLO, NO, STOP.
STOP.
WE REACHED THE POINT IN THE WE REACHED THE POINT IN THE EARLY STAGE OF THE 2016 EARLY STAGE OF THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CONTEXT WHERE WE PRESIDENTIAL CONTEXT WHERE WE BEGIN TO GAUGE CANDIDATES BY HOW BEGIN TO GAUGE CANDIDATES BY HOW WELL THEY NEGOTIATE THE WELL THEY NEGOTIATE THE UNANTICIPATED.
UNANTICIPATED.
IN THIS CASE THE SUDDEN AND IN THIS CASE THE SUDDEN AND FIERCE DEBATE OVER MEASLES, FIERCE DEBATE OVER MEASLES, VACCINES AND WHO GETS TO PROTECT VACCINES AND WHO GETS TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN.
OUR CHILDREN.
THIS IS IN PART HOW SENATOR RAND THIS IS IN PART HOW SENATOR RAND PAUL HANDLED IT -- PAUL HANDLED IT -- >> I HAVE HEARD OF MANY TRAGIC >> I HAVE HEARD OF MANY TRAGIC CASES OF WALKING, TALKING NORMAL CASES OF WALKING, TALKING NORMAL CHILDREN WHO WOUND UP WITH CHILDREN WHO WOUND UP WITH PROFOUND MENTAL DISORDERS AFTER PROFOUND MENTAL DISORDERS AFTER VACCINES.
VACCINES.
IPE NOT ARGUING VACCINES ARE A IPE NOT ARGUING VACCINES ARE A BAD IDEA.
BAD IDEA.
I THINK THEY'RE A GOOD THING.
I THINK THEY'RE A GOOD THING.
BUT I THINK PARENTS SHOULD HAVE BUT I THINK PARENTS SHOULD HAVE SOME INPUT.
SOME INPUT.
THE STATE DOESN'T OWN YOUR THE STATE DOESN'T OWN YOUR CHILDREN.
CHILDREN.
PARENTS OWN THE CHILDREN.
PARENTS OWN THE CHILDREN.
AND IT IS AN ISSUE OF FREEDOM.
AND IT IS AN ISSUE OF FREEDOM.
GWEN: AND HOW JEB BUSH WEIGHED GWEN: AND HOW JEB BUSH WEIGHED IN -- IN -- >> PARENTS OUGHT TO MAKE SURE >> PARENTS OUGHT TO MAKE SURE THEIR CHILDREN ARE VACCINATED.
THEIR CHILDREN ARE VACCINATED.
PARENTS HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PARENTS HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THEIR CHILDREN ARE MAKE SURE THEIR CHILDREN ARE PROTECTED, OVER AND OUT.
PROTECTED, OVER AND OUT.
GWEN: OVER AND OUT.
GWEN: OVER AND OUT.
HILLARY CLINTON THOUGH WISELY HILLARY CLINTON THOUGH WISELY NOT IN FRONT OF A CAMERA SAID NOT IN FRONT OF A CAMERA SAID MUCH THE SAME THING.
MUCH THE SAME THING.
HOW DID THIS ISSUE BUBBLE UP TO HOW DID THIS ISSUE BUBBLE UP TO THIS LEVEL IN THE FIRST PLACE?
THIS LEVEL IN THE FIRST PLACE?
WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS, WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS, KAREN?
KAREN?
>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS, >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS, FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE MEASLES IS FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE MEASLES IS AN EXTREMELY CONTAGIOUS DISEASE.
AN EXTREMELY CONTAGIOUS DISEASE.
IF YOU ARE NOT IMMUNE AND YOU'RE IF YOU ARE NOT IMMUNE AND YOU'RE EXPOSED TO THIS VIRUS, CHANCES EXPOSED TO THIS VIRUS, CHANCES ARE 90% THAT YOU ARE GOING TO ARE 90% THAT YOU ARE GOING TO COME DOWN WITH MEASLES.
COME DOWN WITH MEASLES.
SOMEBODY WHO HAS IT LEAVES A SOMEBODY WHO HAS IT LEAVES A ROOM, THAT VIRUS IS STILL ACTIVE ROOM, THAT VIRUS IS STILL ACTIVE FOR HOURS AFTER THEY ARE GONE.
FOR HOURS AFTER THEY ARE GONE.
SO WE HAVE SEEN A REAL SPIKE IN SO WE HAVE SEEN A REAL SPIKE IN MEASLES INCIDENTS IN THIS MEASLES INCIDENTS IN THIS COUNTRY.
COUNTRY.
THERE WERE OVER 100 NEW CASES IN THERE WERE OVER 100 NEW CASES IN JANUARY.
JANUARY.
MANY OF THEM IN CALIFORNIA WHERE MANY OF THEM IN CALIFORNIA WHERE THERE HAS BEEN SOMETHING OF A THERE HAS BEEN SOMETHING OF A MOVEMENT, AMONG UPSCALE PEOPLE, MOVEMENT, AMONG UPSCALE PEOPLE, SORT OF THE ORGANIC GROCERY SORT OF THE ORGANIC GROCERY DEMOGRAPHIC, NOT TO VACCINATE DEMOGRAPHIC, NOT TO VACCINATE THEIR CHILDREN.
THEIR CHILDREN.
AND SO ALL OF THIS HAS NOW COME AND SO ALL OF THIS HAS NOW COME -- YOU WOULD THINK IT'S A PUBLIC -- YOU WOULD THINK IT'S A PUBLIC HEALTH DEBATE.
HEALTH DEBATE.
WHAT CAN BE LESS POLITICAL?
WHAT CAN BE LESS POLITICAL?
BUT -- BUT -- GWEN: BUT IT'S BEEN PROVEN, IN GWEN: BUT IT'S BEEN PROVEN, IN MANY REPORTS, DEBUNKED THAT MANY REPORTS, DEBUNKED THAT THERE'S A LINK TO AUTISM.
THERE'S A LINK TO AUTISM.
YET SOMEHOW THIS ISSUE JUMPED -- YET SOMEHOW THIS ISSUE JUMPED -- DIDN'T JUMP THE SMARCK.
DIDN'T JUMP THE SMARCK.
IN FACT STILL SEEMS VERY MUCH IN FACT STILL SEEMS VERY MUCH ALIVE, JUMPED FROM BEING ALIVE, JUMPED FROM BEING OBSCURE, ESOTERIC DEBATE TO OBSCURE, ESOTERIC DEBATE TO SOMEBODY BEING A POLITICAL HOT SOMEBODY BEING A POLITICAL HOT DEBATE.
DEBATE.
I MISSED WHEN IT MADE THAT LEAP.
I MISSED WHEN IT MADE THAT LEAP.
>> IT HAS IN PART BECAUSE THERE >> IT HAS IN PART BECAUSE THERE IS AN INCREASE IN THE INCIDENCE IS AN INCREASE IN THE INCIDENCE OF AUTISM.
OF AUTISM.
AND EVEN THOUGH THIS LINK AND EVEN THOUGH THIS LINK SUPPOSEDLY BETWEEN VACCINES HAS SUPPOSEDLY BETWEEN VACCINES HAS BEEN COMPLETELY DEBUNKED, BEEN COMPLETELY DEBUNKED, THERE'S NO OTHER SCOMPLAN THERE'S NO OTHER SCOMPLAN ISATION FOR IT.
ISATION FOR IT.
I THINK IT GOES MUCH, MUCH I THINK IT GOES MUCH, MUCH DEEPER AND EMOTIONALLY WHEN YOU DEEPER AND EMOTIONALLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT VACCINES.
TALK ABOUT VACCINES.
IT'S ABOUT THE ROLE OF IT'S ABOUT THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT.
IT'S ABOUT PARENTAL PREROGATIVE.
IT'S ABOUT PARENTAL PREROGATIVE.
AND SO YOU PUT A MEDICAL MYSTERY AND SO YOU PUT A MEDICAL MYSTERY ON TOP OF THAT AND IT REALLY IS ON TOP OF THAT AND IT REALLY IS KIND OF DRY TINDER FOR POLITICS.
KIND OF DRY TINDER FOR POLITICS.
>> SO WE JUST SAW A HUGE >> SO WE JUST SAW A HUGE CONTRAST BETWEEN RAND PAUL AND CONTRAST BETWEEN RAND PAUL AND JEB BUSH, BOTH OF WHOM APPEAR TO JEB BUSH, BOTH OF WHOM APPEAR TO BE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
BE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
DID ANY OTHER CANDIDATES WEIGH DID ANY OTHER CANDIDATES WEIGH OR PRECANDIDATES WEIGH IN?
OR PRECANDIDATES WEIGH IN?
WHAT DID WE LEARN ABOUT THE WHAT DID WE LEARN ABOUT THE SHAPE OF THE RACE OUT OF THAT?
SHAPE OF THE RACE OUT OF THAT?
>> THE ONE WHO SEEMS TO H WAS >> THE ONE WHO SEEMS TO H WAS CHRIS CHRISTIE, WHO IS OVER IN CHRIS CHRISTIE, WHO IS OVER IN LONDON S OFF HIS FOREIGN POLICY LONDON S OFF HIS FOREIGN POLICY CHOPS.
CHOPS.
INSTEAD HE TALKED ABOUT HOW INSTEAD HE TALKED ABOUT HOW THERE HAS TO BE A MEASURE OF THERE HAS TO BE A MEASURE OF CHOICE FOR PARENTS.
CHOICE FOR PARENTS.
SO THAT IS REALLY WHAT GOT THIS SO THAT IS REALLY WHAT GOT THIS STARTED.
STARTED.
IT WAS INTERESTING THOUGH IT WAS INTERESTING THOUGH BECAUSE THE BACKLASH WAS SO BECAUSE THE BACKLASH WAS SO SWIFT THAT CHRIS CHRISTIE'S SWIFT THAT CHRIS CHRISTIE'S OFFICE WAS TRYING TO BACKTRACK.
OFFICE WAS TRYING TO BACKTRACK.
AND THEN RAND PAUL HAD THIS SORT AND THEN RAND PAUL HAD THIS SORT OF ODD STATEMENT ABOUT HIS OF ODD STATEMENT ABOUT HIS COMMENTS THAT WE SAW IN THAT COMMENTS THAT WE SAW IN THAT EARLIER CLIP, THAT HE WAS SAYING EARLIER CLIP, THAT HE WAS SAYING THEY WERE TWO FACTORS OF THEY WERE TWO FACTORS OF VACCINES AND DISABILITIES WERE VACCINES AND DISABILITIES WERE TEMPERLY RELATED.
TEMPERLY RELATED.
HE WAS NOT TRYING TO SUGGEST HE WAS NOT TRYING TO SUGGEST THERE WAS ANY -- THERE WAS ANY -- GWEN: AND BACKTRACK BY GETTING A GWEN: AND BACKTRACK BY GETTING A BOOSTER SHOT FOR HEPATITIS A THE BOOSTER SHOT FOR HEPATITIS A THE NEXT DAY.
NEXT DAY.
>> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY.
I THINK THE CANDIDATES, THEY I THINK THE CANDIDATES, THEY AGAIN, THE -- IN PART BECAUSE AGAIN, THE -- IN PART BECAUSE THE OTHER REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES THE OTHER REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES WERE JUMPING ON THEM AS WELL.
WERE JUMPING ON THEM AS WELL.
IT WASN'T JUST JEB BUSH.
IT WASN'T JUST JEB BUSH.
IT WAS BOBBY JINDAL.
IT WAS BOBBY JINDAL.
IT WAS JOHN BOEHNER SAYING, JUST IT WAS JOHN BOEHNER SAYING, JUST GET YOUR KIDS VACCINATED.
GET YOUR KIDS VACCINATED.
>> MY QUESTION ON THIS, LOOKING >> MY QUESTION ON THIS, LOOKING PARTICULARLY AT CHRIS CHRISTIE PARTICULARLY AT CHRIS CHRISTIE AND RAND PAUL'S STATEMENTS HERE, AND RAND PAUL'S STATEMENTS HERE, ARE THESE CORE CONVICTIONS FOR ARE THESE CORE CONVICTIONS FOR THESE GUYS AS AMERICAN THESE GUYS AS AMERICAN POLITICIANS OR CAMPAIGN TRAIL IN POLITICIANS OR CAMPAIGN TRAIL IN DISCIPLINE WHEN YOU'RE ASKED A DISCIPLINE WHEN YOU'RE ASKED A QUESTION AND GIVE TOP OF THE QUESTION AND GIVE TOP OF THE HEAD ANSWER THEIR CAMPAIGN HEAD ANSWER THEIR CAMPAIGN STAFFS IN THE BACK ROOM WOULD STAFFS IN THE BACK ROOM WOULD HAVE COME UP WITH THAT AS A HAVE COME UP WITH THAT AS A POLICY POSITION FOR THEIR ZPHAIN POLICY POSITION FOR THEIR ZPHAIN >> IT'S INTERESTING I THINK THEY >> IT'S INTERESTING I THINK THEY SORT OF SENSED THERE WAS THIS SORT OF SENSED THERE WAS THIS ROLE OF GOVERNMENT LINE HERE -- ROLE OF GOVERNMENT LINE HERE -- GWEN: FREEDOM.
GWEN: FREEDOM.
>> -- THEY DID NOT WANT TO STEP >> -- THEY DID NOT WANT TO STEP OVER.
OVER.
BUT THE EFFORTS TO IMMEDIATELY BUT THE EFFORTS TO IMMEDIATELY BACKTRACK ON WHAT THEY SAY BACKTRACK ON WHAT THEY SAY SUGGESTS ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY SUGGESTS ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY REALIZED THEY HAD EITHER -- THAT REALIZED THEY HAD EITHER -- THAT THIS I THINK COMES UNDER THE THIS I THINK COMES UNDER THE HEADING OF GAFFES THAT COME FROM HEADING OF GAFFES THAT COME FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT QUITE READY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT QUITE READY FOR THIS BIG OF A STAGE.
FOR THIS BIG OF A STAGE.
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M SO >> I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M SO GLAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEASLES GLAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEASLES AND NOT EBOLA ANYMORE, SIMILAR AND NOT EBOLA ANYMORE, SIMILAR ISSUES.
ISSUES.
BUT IN THE MICROCOSM OF THE BUT IN THE MICROCOSM OF THE CAMPAIGN TO COME, CANDIDATES ARE CAMPAIGN TO COME, CANDIDATES ARE COMING AT IT FROM DIFFERENT COMING AT IT FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND CONTROVERSY AND DIRECTIONS AND CONTROVERSY AND SAYING DUMB THINGS.
SAYING DUMB THINGS.
HIRLRY SITS BACK, SENDS OUT A HIRLRY SITS BACK, SENDS OUT A TWEET THAT SEEMS TO GO OVER TWEET THAT SEEMS TO GO OVER NICELY AND LETS THE FIRE BURN ON NICELY AND LETS THE FIRE BURN ON THE OTHER SUED OF THE AISLE.
THE OTHER SUED OF THE AISLE.
IS THAT A PREVIEW OF THE IS THAT A PREVIEW OF THE CAMPAIGN?
CAMPAIGN?
>> THERE'S PROBABLY NO ONE IN >> THERE'S PROBABLY NO ONE IN PUBLIC LIFE TODAY WHO IS AS PUBLIC LIFE TODAY WHO IS AS EXPERIENCED IN THESE SORT OF EXPERIENCED IN THESE SORT OF TREACHEROUS POLITICS OF VACCINES TREACHEROUS POLITICS OF VACCINES AS HILLARY CLINTON.
AS HILLARY CLINTON.
WHEN SHE WAS FIRST LADY IN 1993 WHEN SHE WAS FIRST LADY IN 1993 SHE SPEARHEADED AN INITIATIVE TO SHE SPEARHEADED AN INITIATIVE TO EXPAND VACCINES AND GOT A LOT OF EXPAND VACCINES AND GOT A LOT OF HEAT FOR IT, IN PART FROM HEAT FOR IT, IN PART FROM CONSERVATIVES SAYING SHE WAS CONSERVATIVES SAYING SHE WAS INTERFERING WITH THE MARKET.
INTERFERING WITH THE MARKET.
AGAIN IN PART FROM WHAT THEY AGAIN IN PART FROM WHAT THEY CALL ANTI-VAXERS.
CALL ANTI-VAXERS.
GWEN: IN THE END SHE GET TO SIT GWEN: IN THE END SHE GET TO SIT BACK AND WATCH BECAUSE SHE'S BACK AND WATCH BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN THERE BEFORE AND HAS HER BEEN THERE BEFORE AND HAS HER EXPERIENCE.
EXPERIENCE.
>> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY.
GWEN: THANKS, EVERYBODY.
GWEN: THANKS, EVERYBODY.
AS USUAL WE JUST SCRATCHED THE AS USUAL WE JUST SCRATCHED THE WEEK'S SURFACE SO WE PLAN TO DIG WEEK'S SURFACE SO WE PLAN TO DIG IN SOME MORE RIGHT AFTER WE'RE IN SOME MORE RIGHT AFTER WE'RE DONE HERE ONLINE.
DONE HERE ONLINE.
ON THE WITHSES WITH WEBCAST ON THE WITHSES WITH WEBCAST EXTRA.
EXTRA.
AMONG OTHER THINGS, WE WILL TALK AMONG OTHER THINGS, WE WILL TALK CYBER BREACHES, THE COUP IN CYBER BREACHES, THE COUP IN YEMEN AND SENATOR WHO SAYS YEMEN AND SENATOR WHO SAYS GOVERNMENTS SHOULDN'T BE THE ONE GOVERNMENTS SHOULDN'T BE THE ONE TO MAKE YOU WASH YOUR HANDS.
TO MAKE YOU WASH YOUR HANDS.
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PBS.ORG/WASHINGTONWEEK.
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NEWSHOUR.
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WEEK ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
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