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>> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE CONTRARY" FIRST, A LIST OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE CEOS - BUT WHERE ARE THE WOMEN.
THEN, EGG FREEZING, THE LATEST PERK FOR FEMALE EMPLOYEES.
BEHIND THE HEADLINES: SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE MILITARY - MALE VICTIMS SPEAK OUT.
HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.
WELCOME TO "TO THE CONTRARY," A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.
UP FIRST, WOMEN CEOS MORE EVIDENCE THAT WOMEN STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO IN THE BUSINESS WORLD.
THE HARVARD BUSINESS REVIEW RELEASED ITS LIST OF THE 100 MOST EFFECTIVE CEOS IN THE WORLD.
ONLY TWO WOMEN MADE THE LIST, CAROL MEYROWITZ OF TJX COMPANIES AND DEBRA CAFARO FROM VENTAS.
AMAZON FOUNDER JEFF BEZOS EARNED THE TOP SPOT.
REVIEW RESEARCHERS SAY THEY DID A PURELY STATISTICAL ANALYSIS OF HOW THE CEOS PERFORMED DELIVERING SOLID RESULTS OVER THE LONG RUN.
THE ANALYSIS FOUND WOMEN ARE TWICE AS LIKELY AS MEN TO BECOME CEOS AS AN OUTSIDE HIRE BUT CEO CANDIDATES FROM WITHIN PERFORM BETTER.
ONLY 3% OF THE CEOS STUDIED WERE WOMEN.
SO PARICIA SOSA WITH MANY OTHER STUDIES SHOWING WOMEN DRIVE HIGHER PROFITS IN MANAGEMENT WHY ARE THOSE FINDINGS NOT REFLECTED HERE?
>> MEN ARE IN CHARGE OF SELECTING THE CEOs OF THE COMPANY BUT SURPRISED THAT MEN ARE GETTING THE JOB.
>> I THINK THERE ARE MOTHER MALE CEOs WHEN YOU HAVE OUT OF YOUR TOP HUNDRED YOUR GOING TO END UP WITH -- WOMEN ARE ONLY 3% TO BEGIN WITH.
AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE DECISION FOR WHAT TO MEASURE BY WAS STRICTLY BASED ON RETURN TO INVESTORS AND SINCE WOMEN ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE HIRED TO LEAD COMPANIES IN TROUBLE THAN THEY'RE ALSO LESS LIKELY TO BE THE ONE, IS THAT HAVE THE HIGHEST RETURN.
>> THE REPORT ALSO HIGHLIGHTS A LOT OF THE CEOs ROSE FROM THE RANKS WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION OR THE COMPANY WHERE AS LOT OF CEOs TENDED TO COME TRIP THE OUTSIDE.
PERHAPS WE NEED TO REALLY ENCOURAGE OUR YOUNGER WOMEN STAFFERS TO REALLY STAY IN THEIR COMPANIES AND SEE THAT THEY CAN RISE TO THE TOP.
>> YOU'RE SAYING THEN THAT WOMEN ARE MORE LIKELY -- LOOK AT PEPSI WHERE THEY HAVEN'T DONE GREAT AS I RECALL FINANCIALLY SINCE SHE'S BEEN THERE, BUT AGAIN IT WAS A TURN AROUND EFFORT THAT SHE WAS BROUGHT IN FOR.
>> MARISSA MAYER AT YAHOO!, TYPICALLY BROUGHT IN AFTER THE COMPANY IS IN A MESS AND THEY'RE TRYING SOMETHING NEW, HIRING A WOMAN.
>> IS THAT TRUE OF G.M.?
WITH MR. REBARRA?
>> I WOULD SIGH THAT IS PRETTY CLEARLY THE CASE.
IF YOU'RE MEASURE OF TOP C E.R.
O IS STRICTLY AND ONLY RETURN ON INVESTMENT AS IT WAS HERE, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE TURN AROUND COMPANIES AND THOSE HAVE MANY MORE WOMEN IN THEM.
>> THEN YOU'RE SAYING WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS TO FIX THOSE ODDS IS GET MORE CEOs OR JUST PROMOTED FLEW THE RANKS AS OPPOSED TO WOMEN BROUGHT IN FROM OUTSIDE.
>> LOOK AT DIFFERENT MEASUREMENTS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THIS ARTICLE DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO RANK THE TOP HUNDRED CEOs, BASED ON A MEASURE THAT THEY CHOSE.
AND I'M SAYING THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT MEASURE IF WE'RE GOING TO CAPTURE WHAT WOMEN ARE ACCOMPLISHING.
>> THE OTHER SIDE IS, NO MATTER WHAT MEASURE, I AGREE, LET'S DO SOMETHING BESIDES HOW MUCH MONEY DID THE COMPANY MAKE THAT IS AN IMPORTANT MEASURE.
BUT EITHER YOU BROADEN IT OUT THERE ARE MORE MALE CEOs RUNNING COMPANIES.
LIST OF ANYBODY'S TOP HUNDRED WHETHER IT'S FORTUNE OR "HARVARD BUSINESS REVIEW," YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH MORE MEN BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST LOT MORE MEN -- >> EVERYBODY EXPECTED MORE MEN BUT NOT -- >> BUT NOT 98%.
I THINK THAT IS THE POINT, BONNIE, THAT I WANTED TO MAKE, WE'RE NOT MAKING PROGRESS, WE'RE MAKING SOME PROGRESS, I THINK THERE IS ANOTHER LIST THAT WOMEN OF THE TOP HUNDRED, BUT IT'S A LONG WAY TO GO WE'RE 60% OF THE MARKET SOME OF THESE COMPANIES WE'RE LIKE THE MAIN CONSUMERS, WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG?
THEY TALK ABOUT MENTORING WHICH IS A GOOD THING, WE TALKED HEALTHY WOMEN STAY IN JOBS FOR LONG CHER IS A GOOD THING BUT STILL MAKE NO PROGRESS, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
>> NOT THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING PROGRESS, SURE THE NUMBERS AREN'T EQUAL BUT THERE'S CHOICE, A LOT OF YOUNG WOMEN WHO DON'T WANT TO BE A CEO WHAT IS GREAT IS THAT WE CAN CHOOSE WHETHER WE WANT TO PROGRESS IN OUR CAREERS OR MAYBE START A DIFFERENT CAREER OR LEAVE THE MARKETPLACE.
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING HERE.
THAT'S WHAT CONSERVATIVES ARE SAYING 20 AND 30 YEARS AGO.
I THOUGHT YOUNGER CONSERVATIVES SAW THAT, YEAH, THERE ARE A LOT OF WOMEN WHO DON'T WANT TO BE CEOs.
THERE ARE ALSO TONS OF MEN WHO ARE VERY HAPPY PUMPING GAS FOR A LIVING.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE ISN'T RELATIVELY EQUAL PERCENTAGE OF AMBITIOUS YOUNG WOMEN AND MEN.
>> THAT'S TRUE.
BUT AGAIN I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE CHOICES THAT WE MAKE.
AND WHETHER WE CHOOSE TO CONTINUE TO PROGRESS IN OUR CAREERS WHETHER WE DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I DON'T THINK THAT IT HAS TO BE EITHER OR ANY MORE.
>> IT DOES.
THERE'S SOME FACTORS THAT COME IN TO PLAY AS YOUNG WOMAN WHEN YOU LOOK AT FERTILITY RATES, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A FAMILY YOU'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE TO MAKE SOME TOUGH CHOICES IN YOUR CAREER.
AND THAT'S -- >> WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME.
KIM, I WANT TO ASK YOU, WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED ON THIS LIST THAT WOULD HAVE EVENED IT OUT FOR THE WOMEN WHO ARE TURN AROUND ARTISTS.
>> CLEARLY, IF YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT RETURN TO THE INVESTORS OVER THE PAST THREE TO FIVE YEARS, THE WOMEN WHO ARE TURNING THEIR COMPANIES AROUND ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE MUCH RETURN.
>> I'M ASKING YOU -- >> AT CHANGE, HOW MUCH IMPROVEMENT THERE HAS BEEN IN RETURN ON INVESTMENT.
>> AS OPPOSED TO JUST ABSOLUTE RETURN.
LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.
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FROM CEOS TO COMPANIES AND FAMILY PLANNING.
TWO SILICON VALLEY COMPANIES BELIEVE THEY'VE FOUND A WAY TO HELP BRIDGE THE GENDER GAP IN TECHNOLOGY.
APPLE AND FACEBOOK ARE NOW OFFERING TO PAY FOR FEMALE EMPLOYEES TO FREEZE THEIR EGGS.
IN AN EFFORT TO ATTRACT MORE WOMEN, THESE COMPANIES SAY EGG FREEZING GIVES WOMEN MORE FLEXIBILITY TO BUILD CAREERS AND CHOOSE WHEN TO HAVE CHILDREN.
SOME CRITICS ARGUE THIS MARKETS FALSE HOPE DISGUISED AS FEMALE EMPOWERMENT TO WOMEN.
THEY ALSO CHARGE IT'S AN ATTEMPT TO AVOID POLICIES SUCH AS PAID FAMILY LEAVE, CHILD CARE, AND FLEX TIME.
SO GENEVIEVE WOOD WHICH IS IT.
ACTUALLY FACEBOOK AND GOOGLE ARE OFFERING PAID FAMILY LEAVE AND FLEX TIME OR ONE OF THEM IS AT LEAST.
ALSO, ON SITE DAYCARE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> WHICH ARE GREAT POLICIES PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE KIDS.
THEY'RE RECOGNIZING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST SEGMENT FOR YOUNG WOMEN WHO SAY, I REALLY WANT TO BE IN A CAREER, I WANT TO MOVE UP THE LADDER, MAY NOT WANT TO TAKE TIME OUT RIGHT NOW TO HAVE A FAMILY THIS IS WAY YOU CAN MAYBE POSTPONE THAT.
IF THEY WANT -- I DON'T ETHICALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
THE PROBLEM I DO HAVE IT SENDS A MESSAGE THAT YOU CAN POSTPONE AND THINGS WILL BE FINE.
WE ALL KNOW MEDICINE DOESN'T TELL US THAT, IT'S ONE OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS JUST GIVE PEOPLE FULL INFORMATION OF WHAT YOU MAY BE POSTPONING THE FACT THAT IT WON'T JUST BE THERE FOR YOU WAITING FOR YOU WHEN YOU'RE 35.
>> THEY'RE LOW.
>> I THINK THAT WE ARE READING TOO MUCH IN TO IT.
I THINK THAT JUST SHOWING THAT THEY CARE ABOUT WOMEN, THAT THEY WANT TO GIVE THEM ALL THE BENEFITS THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY GIVE THEM THIS IS ONE OF THE BENEFITS THAT FOR LONG TIME WOULD CONSIDER, RESEARCH NOW IT'S CONSIDERED STANDARD CARE.
IT DOES IMPROVE YOUR CHANCES.
IT'S NOT PERFECT BUT IT DOES IMPROVE YOUR CHANCES SOMEBODY THAT DID IN VITRO.
IF YOU DO IT, IF YOU HAVE THE EGG, THE QUALITY OF THAT E MUCH HIGHER.
I THINK IT'S A REAL BENEFIT.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING TO DO, I DON'T THINK IT'S A HIDDEN AGENDA TO FORCE WOMEN IN TO NOT HAVING KIDS AT 35 SO THEY CAN BECOME THE CEO ANOTHER BENEFIT THAT THEY WANT TO GIVE THEM.
>> I THINK IT DEMONSTRATES THAT WOMEN ARE BEING VALUED IN THE MARKETPLACE IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN WE HAVE BEEN IN THE PASTMENT GOING BACK TO GENEVIEVE'S POINT I THINK IT DOES SEND A SIGNAL TO MY GENERATION THAT, YES, GIVE 10, 20 YEARS OF YOUR LIFE TO A COMPANY OR PROGRESSING IN YOUR CAREER YOU'LL BE ALL RIGHT IF YOU WANT TO START A FAMILY.
THAT'S NOT REALISTIC.
>> TELL ME WHY.
>> BECAUSE FERTILITY RAILINGS.
THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS THAT COME IN TO PLAY.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FREEZING EGGS, IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PROCESS.
IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT, IT'S PAINFUL, MAY NOT WORK.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE THEN?
YOU HAVE KIND OF A NICE EXPERIMENT BUT UNFORTUNATELY STILL IN THE SAME PLACE THAT YOU WERE BEFORE.
>> WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON POOR WOMEN WHO ARE NEVER GOING TO WORK FOR FACEBOOK OR GOOGLE ANYWAY BECAUSE AS ONE -- I HAD DINNER WITH THE SON OF A FRIEND WHO HAS GOT COMPUTER START-UP GOING IN SAN FRANCISCO AND HE TOLD ME THAT THE AVERAGE STARTING PAY, NOT JUST AT GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK ALL THESE COMPANIES IN SAN FRANCISCO FOR OUT OF SCHOOL COMPUTER IS $180,000 A YEAR.
THEY'RE DOING BETTER THAN HARVARD LAW SCHOOL.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT GOING TO HELP A WOMEN CLEANING TOILETS IN SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.
>> IT REALLY DOES BECOME ALMOST IRRELEVANT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE KIND OF BENEFIT THAT GOOGLE OR FACEBOOK OFFERS TO THEIR EMPLOYEES YOU ARE ALSO LOOKING AT THE KIND OF PAY THEY OFFER TO THEIR EMPLOYEES AND IT'S JUST OFF THE CHARTS.
IT REALLY HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH REALITY.
IF WE HAD MORE COMPANIES THAT EMPLOY MORE PEOPLE WHO HAD ON SITE DAYCARE, PAID FAMILY LEAVE WHO HAD OTHER OPTIONS SO THAT YOUNGER WOMEN CAN HAVE FAMILIES AND CAN REMAIN IN THE WORKFORCE, IF THAT'S WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO.
THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.
NOT LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF VERY ELITE COMPANIES THAT HAVE HIGH PAY AND EXTRAORDINARY BENEFITS.
>> BUT GET GOOD PR OUT OF THIS.
GENERALLY THEY HAVE.
THE I ALSO THINK IT GOES TO TRYING TO SAY AGAIN YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL.
I THINK WE HAVE TO REALIZE PEOPLE DO HAVE TO MAKE CHOICES IN LIFE AND THEY'RE NOT ALL EQUAL, THEY DON'T ALL HAVE EQUAL OUTCOMES WE DON'T ALL MEASURE SUCCESS BY THE SAME THING, EITHER.
JUST BEING A CEO MAYBE SOME PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT IS THE ULTIMATE SUCCESS RATE.
PLENTY OF PEOPLE DON'T.
>> BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT COMES BACK TO TRYING TO SUGGEST YOU CAN DO ALL THESE THINGS BUT I THINK WE SHOULD -- MESSAGE, EVEN WORK CAN FOR GOOGLE OR FACEBOOK WOMEN SHOULD KNOW FREEZING YOUR EGGS IS NOT GOING TO GUARANTEE CHILDREN LATE IN YOUR 30s.
BEHIND THE HEADLINES: MALE SEXUAL ASSAULT SURVIVORS.
A NEW DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE REPORT SHOWS THAT SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE MILITARY IS MORE PREVALENT AGAINST MEN THAN AGAINST WOMEN.
YET THE PUBLIC REMAINS LARGELY UNAWARE OF THE STRUGGLE MALE SURVIVORS FACE AND THE FACT THAT HOE% OF MEN ACCORDING TO ONE SURVEY ARE RAPED WITH YOU WOMEN.
"TO THE CONTRARY" SPOKE WITH FOUR MALE SURVIVORS WHO HOPE THAT BY SHARING THEIR STORIES, THEY CAN CHANGE THE CULTURE AND HELP OTHERS.
>> I WAS IN HIS ROOM AND -- I REMEMBER HOW A FRIENDLY TOUCH WENT TO ME BEING FROZEN AND ON MY BACK >> SHE WAS IN CONTROL OF THE SITUATION.
THERE WAS NOTHING I WAS GOING TO DO.
WHEN I MOVED, SHE YELLED AT ME.
THIS WAS DEFINITELY HER SHOW, ANYTHING THAT SHE WANTED TO DO WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
>> WE WERE IN A REMOTE SECTION OF THE NAVAL STATION, AND HE BASICALLY USED A WEAPON TO FORCE ME TO SUBMIT TO WHATEVER HE WANTED TO DO.
>> FOR ME, I'M A SURVIVOR OF CHILD AND SEXUAL ABUSE MYSELF.
>> BOB HUNTER, JAMES LANDRITH, BRIAN LEWIS AND CHRIS ANDERSON ARE ALL SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, THREE IN THE MILITARY.
NOW THEY HAVE TURNED TO ADVOCACY.
THEY ALL AGREE THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE BETTER EDUCATED BEFORE THIS PROBLEM CAN BE RESOLVED.
THE FIRST STEP IS FOR PEOPLE TO EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MEN CAN ACTUALLY BE RAPED BY WOMEN.
>> IT IS POSSIBLE FOR A MAN TO COMPLETE A SEXUAL ACT EVEN UNDER A SENSE OF DURESS, EVEN IF THEY ARE PSYCHOLOGICALLY UNWILLING OR TRAUMATIZED AT THAT MOMENT.
>> IT'S NOT JUST A FEMALE PROBLEM.
AND EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE MORE MEN RAPED IN THE MILITARY, IT STILL SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST A WOMAN'S ISSUE.
IT'S NOT.
IT'S ANYBODY.
>> PARTLY DUE TO THIS MISCONCEPTION, IT IS SOMETIMES DIFFICULT FOR SURVIVORS' ALLEGATIONS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
>> RAPE CULTURE.
I GET IT NOW.
THEY REALLY BLAME THE VICTIM.
>> WHEN I ATTEMPTED TO REPORT IT, MY CHAIN OF COMMAND TOLD ME THAT I WAS NOT TO PUSH THE MATTER ANY FURTHER.
>> NOT ONLY WAS LEWIS'S STORY DISBELIEVED, HE WAS DISHONORABLY DISCHARGED DUE TO WHAT THE MILITARY DUBBED A PERSONALITY DISORDER.
>> AS YOU GO THROUGH LIFE, YOU WILL BE FORCED TO EXPLAIN TO EVERY EMPLOYER, TO EVERY PERSON THAT INQUIRES ABOUT YOUR DISCHARGE, WHY YOU HAVE LESS THAN A FULLY HONORABLE DISCHARGE.
THAT SHOULDN'T BE ON ME, THAT SHOULD BE ON THE NAVY TO SAY, "WE WERE WRONG, WE ADMIT IT, AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT RIGHT."
>> EXPERTS SAY MEN OFTEN FOREGO REPORTING THE CRIME OUT OF FEAR THAT THEY WON'T FIND JUSTICE.
LANDRITH SAYS HE WAS ONE SUCH CASE.
>> THERE WAS NO WAY I WAS GOING TO REPORT IT.
THERE WAS NO GOOD THAT WAS GOING TO COME OF IT.
I WOULD HAVE BEEN LAUGHED AT.
I WOULD HAVE BEEN TAUNTED.
I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT A DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE.
>> LANDRITH WAS DRUGGED BY A PREGNANT WOMAN AND THEN ATTACKED.
>> I BELIEVE SHE SLIPPED SOMETHING INTO THE LAST COUPLE DRINKS SHE GOT ME.
I WAKE UP AT SOME POINT DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND SHE'S ON TOP OF ME.
I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY ANYTHING BEFORE THAT BECAUSE I WAS OUT.
>> LANDRITH HAS BEEN COPING WITH THE EFFECTS OF THE ATTACK EVER SINCE.
TODAY HE IS THE VICE-PRESIDENT FOR MR MST, AN ADVOCACY GROUP FOR MALE SURVIVORS.
OF SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE MILITARY.
HIS DECISION NOT TO REPORT THE INCIDENT IS NOT UNCOMMON.
ACCORDING TO SURVIVORS AND ADVOCATES, THE MILITARY CULTURE SPECIFICALLY CAN BE A ROADBLOCK TO JUSTICE.
>> YOU HAVE WITHIN THE MILITARY A CLIMATE AND A CULTURE THAT UP UNTIL RECENTLY HAS BEEN VERY UNWILLING TO ADDRESS SEXUAL VIOLENCE AT ALL WITHIN THE RANKS.
>> THAT'S WHY MANY ADVOCATES AND SURVIVORS HOPE PROSECUTION OF PERPETRATORS IS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE MILITARY CHAIN OF COMMAND.
>> THE PROBLEM IS IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS POPS UP AND IT'S ON A COMMANDER'S PLATE AND SUDDENLY THEY HAVE A REALLY BIG PROBLEM.
THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST JOB THEY CAN AND GET PROMOTED.
THIS IS A BIG GIANT BLACK EYE TO THEIR COMMAND.
IT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY OUT OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
IT NEEDS TO BE INTO A SEPARATE AGENCY THAT CAN STILL ANSWER TO DOD BUT NOT NECESSARILY BE CONTROLLED IN ANY WAY.
>> THE DEPARTMENT OF VETERAN AFFAIRS IS TASKED WITH HELPING SURVIVORS HEAL.
ACCORDING TO SUSAN MCCUTCHEON, THE NATIONAL DIRECTOR FOR MILITARY SEXUAL TRAUMA, NO VETERAN IS TURNED AWAY.
>> EVERY VETERAN WHO COMES TO VA FOR HEALTH CARE SERVICES IS SCREENED FOR EXPERIENCES IN MILITARY SEXUAL TRAUMA.
AND BY THAT, WE ASK TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
ONE THAT ADDRESSES SEXUAL ASSAULT.
AND THE OTHER THAT ADDRESSES SEXUAL HARASSMENT.
IF THE VETERAN ANSWERS "YES" TO ONE OR BOTH OF THOSE QUESTIONS, THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR FREE HEALTH CARE.
>> THE MOST COMMON, BUT BY NO MEANS ONLY, AFFLICTION SURVIVORS FACE IS POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER OR PTSD.
HUNTER LIVES WITH THIS CONDITION AND DEPENDS PARTLY ON HEALTHCARE FROM THE VA TO MANAGE HIS SYMPTOMS.
>> IT'S A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE AND WITH PTSD, THERE ARE ALSO PHYSIOLOGICAL COMPLICATIONS.
>> HUNTER REPRESSED THE MEMORY OF HIS ATTACK FOR 32 YEARS.
HE'S NOW DEALING WITH THE AFTERMATH OF THE PAINFUL EVENT.
>> FOR THE FIRST FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS, I WAS DRUNK EVERYDAY.
I HAD NO COPING SKILLS, I CRIED A LOT.
I CRIED A LOT.
I WENT FROM BEING VERY SOCIABLE TO NOTHING.
I KNEW THAT BEING QUIET WOULD BE DEATH.
THERE ARE RESOURCES FOR MEN THAT ARE AS SIMPLE AS LOOKING UP MALE SEXUAL TRAUMA, WE WILL DEFINITELY TAKE YOU IN AND WE WILL HELP YOU MUCH THE SAME WAY I GOT HELPED.
>> MALE SURVIVORS ARE IN NEED OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT PROVIDE SERVICES ON A FULL-TIME BASIS >> THERE ARE RESOURCES OUT THERE OF COURSE.
MRMST.ORG, ONEINSIX.ORG, FOR MALE SURVIVORS OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE, THERE ARE SEVERAL ONLINE DISCUSSION GROUPS.
AFTERSILENCE.ORG, PANDORA'S AQUARIUM, PANDYS.ORG.
AND AND THERE ARE SEVERAL FACEBOOK GROUPS.
SOME ARE OPENED SOME ARE CLOSED.
AND OF COURSE, THERE'S MALESURVIVOR.ORG AS WELL.
>> CHRIS' ORGANIZATION, MALESURVIVOR.ORG, IS HOSTING AN INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE FOR MEN WHO'VE SURVIVED SEXUAL TRAUMA IN NEWARK, NEW JERSEY FROM OCTOBER 31 TO NOVEMBER 2ND THIS YEAR.
>> WHEN SURVIVORS ARE ABLE TO ACCESS SUPPORT WHEN WE ARE HEARD, WHEN WE ARE BELIEVED AND WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO ACCESS PROPER MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES, WHEN WE'RE RESPONDED TO ADEQUATELY BY A CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, IT'S ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE FOR HEALING TO TAKE PLACE.
>> JUST HOW PREVALENT ARE FEMALE ASSAULTS ON MALE SURVIVORS?
ONE REPORT BY THE U.S. COMMISSION ON CIVIL RIGHTS, WHICH SURVEYED DOD'S 2010 PAPER AND OTHER DATA, REPORTED, QUOTE, "MALE VICTIMS INDICATED THEIR PERPETRATOR WAS SLIGHTLY MORE LIKELY TO BE FEMALE AT 40%, THAN MALE AT 35%."
THE REST OR 25% DID NOT WANT TO INDICATE THE GENDER OF THE ASSAILANT.
DR. GARY BARKER, OF PROMUNDO, EXPLAINS THE REASON FOR THE LACK OF INFORMATION ON FEMALES ASSAULTING MALES.
>> WHETHER IT'S IN THE U.S., IN THE MILITARY OR OUTSIDE, TYPICALLY MORE OF IT HAPPENS TO WOMEN AND GIRLS, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR SO LONG ABOUT THE WAYS IT HAPPENS TO WOMEN AND GIRLS, AND WE NEED TO, BUT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ASKING ABOUT THE WAY THAT IT HAPPENS TO MEN AND BOYS.
>> FIRST OF ALL, KIM GANDY, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW.
SECONDLY WANT TO POINT OUT YOU USED TO RUN NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR WOMEN NOW RUN THE LARGEST GROUP FIGHTING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN THIS COUNTRY.
AS A WOMAN I WAS SHOCKED BEYOND BEE LEAVE TO FIND OUT PRODUCING THIS STORY THAT WOMEN CAN RAPE MEN.
AND WHAT DID I FIND OUT WAS THAT , THE MEAL ORGAN RESPONDS WHETHER IT'S AS RESULT OF THREAT OF DURESS OR DESIRE.
HOW IS IT THAT WOMEN CAN BE RAPING MEN?
I NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THING.
HOW BIG A PROBLEM HAVE YOU FOUND IT TO BE WITH YOUR BACKGROUND?
>> WELL, CERTAINLY WE KNOW THAT MEN ARE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY ONE IN SIX MEN, IT'S ACTUALLY SMALLER THAN THAT IN THE MILITARY STRANGELY ENOUGH, ONE IN 25 IS REPORTED IN THE MILITARY.
BUT WE DO KNOW THAT MEN ARE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED, THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE SEEN HAVE ALWAYS INDICATED THAT IT IS MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE MALE ON MALE ASSAULT THAN FEMALE ON MALE ASSAULT BUT SOME OF THEM ARE FEMALE ON MALE ASSAULTS, GUESSING THAT THAT 20%, 25% THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO REVEAL BECAUSE THEY DID NOT WANT TO REVEAL A HOMOSEXUAL ASSAULT.
SO IT'S PROBABLY CONSISTENT WITH THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE SEEN.
BUT CERTAINLY MEN CAN BE ASSAULTED BY WOMEN, BY USING DRUGS AND THE LIKE.
>> WHAT DRIVES THESE WOMEN?
THAT'S MY QUESTION.
>> I THINK THE ABILITY TO HAVE CONTROL OVER ANOTHER PERSON AND YOU SEE THAT IN THE MILITARY, IT'S RARE FOR WOMEN TO BE IN A POSITION OF CONTROL OVER MEN SO YOU DON'T SEE IT VERY OFTEN.
BUT IN THE MILITARY CERTAINLY THAT CAN HAPPEN.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL ABUSE THEIR POWER IN WHATEVER WALK OF LIFE THEY ARE AND WOMEN ARE NOT EXEMPT FROM THAT.
WOMEN ARE FAR LESS LIKELY TO BECAUSE THEY'RE FAR LESS LIKELY TO HAVE POWER.
BUT WHEN THEY DO HAVE POWER SOME WILL ABUSE IT JUST LIKE MEN DO.
>> I'M THINKING THAT IT'S REALLY ALSO EVOLUTION OF CULTURE BECAUSE SO MANY CULTURE A MAN WILL NOT SAY EVER BE RAPED BECAUSE I ALWAYS WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH A WOMAN I THINK IT'S GOOD THING THAT PUBLICLY SAYING I DID SOMETHING I DIDN'T WANT TO DO.
AND CREATE AWARENESS THAT, YES, MEN ALSO NEED TO BE RESPECTED NOT ONLY WOMEN AND I AGREE WITH HIM THAT LOT OF THE DEGREE OF THE ABUSE WE'RE SEEING IN THE MILITARY IS BECAUSE OF WOMEN ARE IN POSITION OF POWER.
SO YOU SEE THAT DYNAMIC.
>> I THINK, WHETHER IT'S MEN RAPING WOMEN OR WOMEN RAPING MEN IT'S NOT AN ACT,s AN ACT OF POWER.
IT'S AGGRESSION.
I THINK -- >> LOT OF THESE WOMEN WERE VICTIMS OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE THEMSELVES SO IT MIGHT BE ACTING OUT.
>> IN SOME FORM, THAT'S RIGHT.
>> I THINK, LOOK WHAT THIS STORY SHOWS YOU SEE IT ANY OTHER TIME JUST HOW UGLY THIS IS, AND WHAT A DRAMATIC AFFECT IT HAS ON PEOPLE FOR YEARS.
THIS IS -- ONE OF THESE GUYS DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT FOR 25 YEARS.
>> 32 YEARS.
>> JUST SHOWS, NOT THAT THAT WILL NECESSARILY STOP PEOPLE JUST THE AFFECT.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAS ON A PERSON WHETHER YOU'RE A MAN OR A WOMAN.
>> I WONDER ABOUT THE MILITARY.
YOU MENTIONED THAT SEXUAL ASSAULT ARE LOWER IN THE MILITARY THAN THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IN THE MILITARY YOU'RE TRAINED TO KILL.
EVEN IF YOU'RE IN AN OFFICE JOB IT'S ALL ABOUT DEFENDING THIS COUNTRY AND KILLING ENEMIES.
HOW DO YOU BALANCE WHAT THE MILITARY'S MAIN FUNCTION IS AGAINST NOT LETTING THAT TRAINING GET IN TO THE HEAD OF SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE MISS PERCEIVING TO USE IT IN THEIR PERSONAL LIVES.
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I THINK IT COMES UP TO TO WHAT VALUES THAT WE'RE INSTILLING UP OUR SOLDIERS.
LAND BOTH SIDE OF, WE NEED FOG AFTER THE ENEMY BUT ALSO SIDE OF RESPECT FOR INDIVIDUALS AND EVERY PERSON.
WHETHER THIS IS YOUR FELLOW COMRADE OR EVEN WHEN WE TAKE THIS OUT OF THE MILITARY JUST TO REGULAR SOCIETY, HOW WE TREAT ONE ANOTHER.
THERE HAS TO BE MORE RESPECT IN OUR SEAT, IN OUR CULTURE WE'VE LOST SOMETHING THERE.
>> ARE THERE LESSONS TO BE LEARNED FROM THIS WHOLE RECENT BIG PUSH WE'VE SEEN BY THE WHITE HOUSE AND EVERYWHERE ELSE TO END CAMPUS ASSAULTS, CAMPUS RAPES, FOR THE MILITARY, SHOULD THEY PICK UP SOME OF THIS MESSAGING?
>> I THINK THAT THE ADDRESSING OF THIS ISSUE TO INSTITUTIONS, WHETHER IT'S A UNIVERSITY OR WHETHER IT'S A BRANCH OF THE MILITARY SAYS THAT INSTITUTIONS HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY.
THAT THEY HAVE THESE ISSUES, IT'S NOT JUST THE FAULT OR THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE VICTIMS TO HAVE AVOIDED THE SITUATION OR NOT GONE HERE OR BEEN THERE, AS HAS BEEN SO LONG THE CASE.
WHAT WAS SHE WEARING.
WHY WAS SHE IN THIOLE OCCASION Y.
DID SHE HAVE ANYTHING TO DRINK, SHE HAD A BEER, MUST BE HER FAULT.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE STARTING TO CHANGE.
IT'S STILL OUT THERE.
BUT WE'RE STARTING TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.
THAT WILL CHANGE THINGS.
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