GWEN: THE POLITICS AND POLICY OF AMERICAN INTERVENTION ABROAD AND DOMESTIC REVERBERATION AT AMERICAN INTERVENTION ABROAD AND DOMESTIC REVERBERATION AT HOME.
DOMESTIC REVERBERATION AT HOME.
TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON HOME.
TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK.
TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK.
>> OUR OBJECTIVE IS EAR.CL WEEK.
>> OUR OBJECTIVE IS EAR.CL WE WILL DEGRADE, AND ULTIMATELY >> OUR OBJECTIVE IS EAR.CL WE WILL DEGRADE, AND ULTIMATELY DESTROY, ISIL THROUGH A WE WILL DEGRADE, AND ULTIMATELY DESTROY, ISIL THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE AND SUSTAINED DESTROY, ISIL THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE AND SUSTAINED COUNTERTERRORISM STRATEGY.
COMPREHENSIVE AND SUSTAINED COUNTERTERRORISM STRATEGY.
GWEN: THE WORDS MAY BE TOUGH, COUNTERTERRORISM STRATEGY.
GWEN: THE WORDS MAY BE TOUGH, BUT THE TASK WILL BE GWEN: THE WORDS MAY BE TOUGH, BUT THE TASK WILL BE TOUGHER.
BUT THE TASK WILL BE TOUGHER.
WIPING OUT A DANGEROUS AND TOUGHER.
WIPING OUT A DANGEROUS AND DIFFUSE ENEMY.
WIPING OUT A DANGEROUS AND DIFFUSE ENEMY.
>> THE UNITED STATES AND THE DIFFUSE ENEMY.
>> THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD WILL SIMPLY NOT STAND BY >> THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD WILL SIMPLY NOT STAND BY AND WATCH AS ISIL EVIL WORLD WILL SIMPLY NOT STAND BY AND WATCH AS ISIL EVIL SPREADS.
AND WATCH AS ISIL EVIL SPREADS.
GWEN: WINNING PUBLIC SUPPORT SPREADS.
GWEN: WINNING PUBLIC SUPPORT BACK HOME.
GWEN: WINNING PUBLIC SUPPORT BACK HOME.
>> THE PRESIDENT'S MADE CLEAR BACK HOME.
>> THE PRESIDENT'S MADE CLEAR THAT HE DOES NOT WANT U.S. BOOTS >> THE PRESIDENT'S MADE CLEAR THAT HE DOES NOT WANT U.S. BOOTS ON THE GROUND, WELL, SOMEBODY'S THAT HE DOES NOT WANT U.S. BOOTS ON THE GROUND, WELL, SOMEBODY'S BOOTS HAVE TO BE ON THE ON THE GROUND, WELL, SOMEBODY'S BOOTS HAVE TO BE ON THE GROUND.
BOOTS HAVE TO BE ON THE GROUND.
GWEN: AMID DOMESTIC POLITICAL GROUND.
GWEN: AMID DOMESTIC POLITICAL UPHEAVAL.
GWEN: AMID DOMESTIC POLITICAL UPHEAVAL.
>> IT IS DISTURBING THAT AT A UPHEAVAL.
>> IT IS DISTURBING THAT AT A TIME LIKE THIS, THERE ARE SOME >> IT IS DISTURBING THAT AT A TIME LIKE THIS, THERE ARE SOME IN CONGRESS TAKING CHEAP TIME LIKE THIS, THERE ARE SOME IN CONGRESS TAKING CHEAP POLITICAL SHOTS AT THE IN CONGRESS TAKING CHEAP POLITICAL SHOTS AT THE PRESIDENT.
POLITICAL SHOTS AT THE PRESIDENT.
>> I'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT WE PRESIDENT.
>> I'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT WE WILL HUNT DOWN TERRORISTS WHO >> I'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT WE WILL HUNT DOWN TERRORISTS WHO THREATEN OUR COUNTRY WHEREVER WILL HUNT DOWN TERRORISTS WHO THREATEN OUR COUNTRY WHEREVER THEY ARE.
THREATEN OUR COUNTRY WHEREVER THEY ARE.
THAT MEANS I WILL NOT HESITATE THEY ARE.
THAT MEANS I WILL NOT HESITATE TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISIL IN THAT MEANS I WILL NOT HESITATE TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISIL IN SYRIA AS WELL AS IRAQ.
TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISIL IN SYRIA AS WELL AS IRAQ.
THIS IS A CORE PRINCIPLE OF MY SYRIA AS WELL AS IRAQ.
THIS IS A CORE PRINCIPLE OF MY PRESIDENCY.
THIS IS A CORE PRINCIPLE OF MY PRESIDENCY.
IF YOU THREATEN AMERICA YOU WILL PRESIDENCY.
IF YOU THREATEN AMERICA YOU WILL IND NO SAFE HAVEN.
IF YOU THREATEN AMERICA YOU WILL IND NO SAFE HAVEN.
GWEN: THE PRESIDENT'S IND NO SAFE HAVEN.
GWEN: THE PRESIDENT'S ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MET WITH RARE GWEN: THE PRESIDENT'S ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MET WITH RARE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, BUT IT IS ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MET WITH RARE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, BUT IT IS CLEAR THIS WILL BE NO SIMPLE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, BUT IT IS CLEAR THIS WILL BE NO SIMPLE CONFLICT.
CLEAR THIS WILL BE NO SIMPLE CONFLICT.
SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY CONFLICT.
SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY WENT OUT OF HIS WAY NOT TO LABEL SECRETARY OF STATE JOHN KERRY WENT OUT OF HIS WAY NOT TO LABEL IT A WAR.
WENT OUT OF HIS WAY NOT TO LABEL IT A WAR.
>> WHAT WE ARE DOING IS ENGAGING IT A WAR.
>> WHAT WE ARE DOING IS ENGAGING IN A VERY SIGNIFICANT >> WHAT WE ARE DOING IS ENGAGING IN A VERY SIGNIFICANT COUNTERTERRORISM OPERATION AND IN A VERY SIGNIFICANT COUNTERTERRORISM OPERATION AND IT'S GOING TO GO ON FOR SOME COUNTERTERRORISM OPERATION AND IT'S GOING TO GO ON FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.
IT'S GOING TO GO ON FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.
GWEN: SOME PERIOD OF TIME.
PERIOD OF TIME.
GWEN: SOME PERIOD OF TIME.
WHICH RAISES THE QUESTION, DO WE GWEN: SOME PERIOD OF TIME.
WHICH RAISES THE QUESTION, DO WE KNOW IF LAWMAKERS, IF INDEED WHICH RAISES THE QUESTION, DO WE KNOW IF LAWMAKERS, IF INDEED AMERICANS HAVE THE STOMACH FOR KNOW IF LAWMAKERS, IF INDEED AMERICANS HAVE THE STOMACH FOR THE COMMITMENT OF BLOOD AND AMERICANS HAVE THE STOMACH FOR THE COMMITMENT OF BLOOD AND TREASURE AN EXPANDED THE COMMITMENT OF BLOOD AND TREASURE AN EXPANDED INTERVENTION WILL REQUIRE?
TREASURE AN EXPANDED INTERVENTION WILL REQUIRE?
MOLLY?
INTERVENTION WILL REQUIRE?
MOLLY?
>> WELL, THAT'S REALLY THE MOLLY?
>> WELL, THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION.
>> WELL, THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION.
I MEAN ON THE PART OF LAWMAKERS QUESTION.
I MEAN ON THE PART OF LAWMAKERS IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO I MEAN ON THE PART OF LAWMAKERS IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE NEXT WEEK AS THIS IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE NEXT WEEK AS THIS MATTER COMES BEFORE CONGRESS.
SEE IN THE NEXT WEEK AS THIS MATTER COMES BEFORE CONGRESS.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE AMERICAN MATTER COMES BEFORE CONGRESS.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, FOR A WHILE NOW THERE WHEN IT COMES TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, FOR A WHILE NOW THERE HAS BEEN THIS CONVENTIONAL PUBLIC, FOR A WHILE NOW THERE HAS BEEN THIS CONVENTIONAL WISDOM THAT AMERICANS ARE WAR HAS BEEN THIS CONVENTIONAL WISDOM THAT AMERICANS ARE WAR WEARY, THAT THEY DON'T WANT, WISDOM THAT AMERICANS ARE WAR WEARY, THAT THEY DON'T WANT, THAT THERE IS EVEN A NEW ICE WEARY, THAT THEY DON'T WANT, THAT THERE IS EVEN A NEW ICE OLATIONIST SPIRIT THAT HAS TAKEN THAT THERE IS EVEN A NEW ICE OLATIONIST SPIRIT THAT HAS TAKEN OVER THE COUNTRY AND THAT HAS OLATIONIST SPIRIT THAT HAS TAKEN OVER THE COUNTRY AND THAT HAS REVERSED VERY QUICKLY SINCE OVER THE COUNTRY AND THAT HAS REVERSED VERY QUICKLY SINCE THESE BEHEADINGS.
REVERSED VERY QUICKLY SINCE THESE BEHEADINGS.
A MASSIVE SHIFT IN PUBLIC THESE BEHEADINGS.
A MASSIVE SHIFT IN PUBLIC OPINION.
A MASSIVE SHIFT IN PUBLIC OPINION.
A POLL OUT THIS WEEKEND SAYS 60% OPINION.
A POLL OUT THIS WEEKEND SAYS 60% OF AMERICANS WANT TO TAKE ACTION A POLL OUT THIS WEEKEND SAYS 60% OF AMERICANS WANT TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISIS.
OF AMERICANS WANT TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST ISIS.
MOST DON'T WANT WAR, BOOTS ON AGAINST ISIS.
MOST DON'T WANT WAR, BOOTS ON THE GROUND, AMERICAN TROOPS BUT MOST DON'T WANT WAR, BOOTS ON THE GROUND, AMERICAN TROOPS BUT THEY WANT SOMETHING.
THE GROUND, AMERICAN TROOPS BUT THEY WANT SOMETHING.
>> WHATEVER BATTLE SEEMED TO BE THEY WANT SOMETHING.
>> WHATEVER BATTLE SEEMED TO BE BREWING ON CAPITOL HILL SEEMED >> WHATEVER BATTLE SEEMED TO BE BREWING ON CAPITOL HILL SEEMED TO BE MELTING AWAY ONCE THE BREWING ON CAPITOL HILL SEEMED TO BE MELTING AWAY ONCE THE PRESIDENT MADE HIS ANNOUNCEMENT?
TO BE MELTING AWAY ONCE THE PRESIDENT MADE HIS ANNOUNCEMENT?
>> YES, I THINK THE PARTIES PRESIDENT MADE HIS ANNOUNCEMENT?
>> YES, I THINK THE PARTIES STILL UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THE >> YES, I THINK THE PARTIES STILL UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO PUT STILL UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THE PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TOGETHER PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TOGETHER THEY HAVE TO SHOW RESOLVE.
SOMETHING LIKE THIS TOGETHER THEY HAVE TO SHOW RESOLVE.
YES, I THINK THE POLLING SNAPPED THEY HAVE TO SHOW RESOLVE.
YES, I THINK THE POLLING SNAPPED SOME LAWMAKERS INTO POSITION AND YES, I THINK THE POLLING SNAPPED SOME LAWMAKERS INTO POSITION AND MADE THEM REALIZE THEY HAVE TO SOME LAWMAKERS INTO POSITION AND MADE THEM REALIZE THEY HAVE TO DO THIS.
MADE THEM REALIZE THEY HAVE TO DO THIS.
BUT THERE IS PLENTY OF DO THIS.
BUT THERE IS PLENTY OF SKEPTICISM AS BOB CORKER SAID.
BUT THERE IS PLENTY OF SKEPTICISM AS BOB CORKER SAID.
THINGS NEED TO FALL INTO PLACE SKEPTICISM AS BOB CORKER SAID.
THINGS NEED TO FALL INTO PLACE AND COUNTRIES NEED TO FALL IN THINGS NEED TO FALL INTO PLACE AND COUNTRIES NEED TO FALL IN LINE LIKE NEVER BEFORE.
AND COUNTRIES NEED TO FALL IN LINE LIKE NEVER BEFORE.
NOT ONLY DO THEY WANT A DEBATE, LINE LIKE NEVER BEFORE.
NOT ONLY DO THEY WANT A DEBATE, THEY WANT THE PRESIDENT TO SAY NOT ONLY DO THEY WANT A DEBATE, THEY WANT THE PRESIDENT TO SAY DIRECTLY TO CONGRESSIONAL, WE THEY WANT THE PRESIDENT TO SAY DIRECTLY TO CONGRESSIONAL, WE WANT YOU TO DO THIS.
DIRECTLY TO CONGRESSIONAL, WE WANT YOU TO DO THIS.
IF CONGRESS WOULD WEIGH ON -- IN WANT YOU TO DO THIS.
IF CONGRESS WOULD WEIGH ON -- IN ON THIS I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO IF CONGRESS WOULD WEIGH ON -- IN ON THIS I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE THAT IS THE OTHER WAY.
ON THIS I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE THAT IS THE OTHER WAY.
THAT'S PARTLY BECAUSE THE WHITE HAVE THAT IS THE OTHER WAY.
THAT'S PARTLY BECAUSE THE WHITE HOUSE UNDERSTANDS IT'S BEEN SO THAT'S PARTLY BECAUSE THE WHITE HOUSE UNDERSTANDS IT'S BEEN SO DARNED DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH HOUSE UNDERSTANDS IT'S BEEN SO DARNED DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH THIS CONGRESS BUT ALSO BECAUSE DARNED DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH THIS CONGRESS BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR HOW THIS CONGRESS BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR HOW WILLING THE COUNTRY IS TO HAVE IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR HOW WILLING THE COUNTRY IS TO HAVE THIS DEBATE OR THE LAWMAKERS WILLING THE COUNTRY IS TO HAVE THIS DEBATE OR THE LAWMAKERS ARE.
THIS DEBATE OR THE LAWMAKERS ARE.
>> WELL, I'M CURIOUS, THE ARE.
>> WELL, I'M CURIOUS, THE PRESIDENT WENT THROUGH THE >> WELL, I'M CURIOUS, THE PRESIDENT WENT THROUGH THE RITUAL OF HAVING THE LAWMAKERS PRESIDENT WENT THROUGH THE RITUAL OF HAVING THE LAWMAKERS IN TO TELL THEM AFTER HAVING RITUAL OF HAVING THE LAWMAKERS IN TO TELL THEM AFTER HAVING SIGNALED IN ADVANCE THAT HE WAS IN TO TELL THEM AFTER HAVING SIGNALED IN ADVANCE THAT HE WAS GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY.
SIGNALED IN ADVANCE THAT HE WAS GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY.
I AND -- WONDER IF HE EVEN CARES GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY.
I AND -- WONDER IF HE EVEN CARES WHETHER HE HAS CONGRESSIONAL I AND -- WONDER IF HE EVEN CARES WHETHER HE HAS CONGRESSIONAL SUPPORT.
WHETHER HE HAS CONGRESSIONAL SUPPORT.
>> HE CERTAINLY LEARNED A HARD SUPPORT.
>> HE CERTAINLY LEARNED A HARD LESSON FROM LAST YEAR WHEN HE >> HE CERTAINLY LEARNED A HARD LESSON FROM LAST YEAR WHEN HE SWITCHED COURSE AND SAID HE WAS LESSON FROM LAST YEAR WHEN HE SWITCHED COURSE AND SAID HE WAS GOING TO ASK CONGRESS FOR SWITCHED COURSE AND SAID HE WAS GOING TO ASK CONGRESS FOR APPROVAL TO STRIKE SYRIA, GOING TO ASK CONGRESS FOR APPROVAL TO STRIKE SYRIA, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES APPROVAL TO STRIKE SYRIA, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES BUT HE REALLY BUNGLED THAT.
SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES BUT HE REALLY BUNGLED THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS ALE -- BUT HE REALLY BUNGLED THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS ALE -- EAGER TO REPEAT THAT, GOING TO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS ALE -- EAGER TO REPEAT THAT, GOING TO CONGRESS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO EAGER TO REPEAT THAT, GOING TO CONGRESS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO GET IT THROUGH.
CONGRESS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO GET IT THROUGH.
PART -- PARTICULARLY NOW, GET IT THROUGH.
PART -- PARTICULARLY NOW, DEMOCRATIC LEADERS, THEY DON'T PART -- PARTICULARLY NOW, DEMOCRATIC LEADERS, THEY DON'T WANT THE PRESIDENT TO COME AND DEMOCRATIC LEADERS, THEY DON'T WANT THE PRESIDENT TO COME AND ASK THEIR MEMBERS WHO ARE IN WANT THE PRESIDENT TO COME AND ASK THEIR MEMBERS WHO ARE IN VERY, VERY TIGHT RACES TO VOTE ASK THEIR MEMBERS WHO ARE IN VERY, VERY TIGHT RACES TO VOTE ON THIS.
VERY, VERY TIGHT RACES TO VOTE ON THIS.
SO I THINK THEY'RE WALKING THAT ON THIS.
SO I THINK THEY'RE WALKING THAT LINE AND I THINK IT'S ONLY GOING SO I THINK THEY'RE WALKING THAT LINE AND I THINK IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET TOUGHER.
LINE AND I THINK IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET TOUGHER.
THEY'VE BEEN QUESTIONED QUITE A TO GET TOUGHER.
THEY'VE BEEN QUESTIONED QUITE A BIT THIS WEEK ABOUT THE THEY'VE BEEN QUESTIONED QUITE A BIT THIS WEEK ABOUT THE AUTHORITY THEY HAVE, LOTS OF BIT THIS WEEK ABOUT THE AUTHORITY THEY HAVE, LOTS OF LEGAL EXPERTS SAYING HE'S NOT ON AUTHORITY THEY HAVE, LOTS OF LEGAL EXPERTS SAYING HE'S NOT ON FIRM FOOTING.
LEGAL EXPERTS SAYING HE'S NOT ON FIRM FOOTING.
GWEN: THAT THE AUTHORIZATION OF FIRM FOOTING.
GWEN: THAT THE AUTHORIZATION OF USE OF MILITARY FORCE DIDN'T GWEN: THAT THE AUTHORIZATION OF USE OF MILITARY FORCE DIDN'T NECESSARILY COVER ISIS, ISIL, USE OF MILITARY FORCE DIDN'T NECESSARILY COVER ISIS, ISIL, WHATEVER WE CALL IT, BECAUSE IT NECESSARILY COVER ISIS, ISIL, WHATEVER WE CALL IT, BECAUSE IT WAS MEANT TO APPLY TO AL QAEDA WHATEVER WE CALL IT, BECAUSE IT WAS MEANT TO APPLY TO AL QAEDA AND ITS DEN IZZENS?
WAS MEANT TO APPLY TO AL QAEDA AND ITS DEN IZZENS?
>> YEAH, AND I WOULD PREDICT WE AND ITS DEN IZZENS?
>> YEAH, AND I WOULD PREDICT WE WOULD HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE OF >> YEAH, AND I WOULD PREDICT WE WOULD HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT FROM CONGRESSIONAL.
WOULD HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT FROM CONGRESSIONAL.
THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN CALLS THAT FROM CONGRESSIONAL.
THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN CALLS FOR THAT BUT I COULD SEE THAT THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN CALLS FOR THAT BUT I COULD SEE THAT BECOMING A MORE DIFFICULT ISSUE FOR THAT BUT I COULD SEE THAT BECOMING A MORE DIFFICULT ISSUE FOR THEM TO GO -- GET AROUND IN BECOMING A MORE DIFFICULT ISSUE FOR THEM TO GO -- GET AROUND IN COMING DAYS.
FOR THEM TO GO -- GET AROUND IN COMING DAYS.
>> -- COMING DAYS.
>> -- GWEN: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SCOPE >> -- GWEN: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SCOPE F THE ACTION THE PRESIDENT GWEN: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE SCOPE F THE ACTION THE PRESIDENT PROPOSED.
F THE ACTION THE PRESIDENT PROPOSED.
FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE ISIS, ISIL, PROPOSED.
FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE ISIS, ISIL, THEY'RE NEW BUT THEY'RE NOT?
FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE ISIS, ISIL, THEY'RE NEW BUT THEY'RE NOT?
>> NO, NO.
THEY'RE NEW BUT THEY'RE NOT?
>> NO, NO.
THEY'VE THE BLOOD OF HUNDREDS OF >> NO, NO.
THEY'VE THE BLOOD OF HUNDREDS OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS ON THEIR THEY'VE THE BLOOD OF HUNDREDS OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS ON THEIR HANDS.
AMERICAN SOLDIERS ON THEIR HANDS.
FORMERLY LED BY A PSYCHOPATH HANDS.
FORMERLY LED BY A PSYCHOPATH NAMED ZARQAWI.
FORMERLY LED BY A PSYCHOPATH NAMED ZARQAWI.
WE KILLED HIM IN 2006.
NAMED ZARQAWI.
WE KILLED HIM IN 2006.
HE HAD A VISION OF SLAUGHTERING WE KILLED HIM IN 2006.
HE HAD A VISION OF SLAUGHTERING SHIA MUSLIMS SO I COULD BRING A HE HAD A VISION OF SLAUGHTERING SHIA MUSLIMS SO I COULD BRING A CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ AND THEY COULD SHIA MUSLIMS SO I COULD BRING A CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ AND THEY COULD COME ON TOP AND ESTABLISH A CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ AND THEY COULD COME ON TOP AND ESTABLISH A CALIPHATE.
COME ON TOP AND ESTABLISH A CALIPHATE.
WHAT MAKES THEM DIFFERENT IS THE CALIPHATE.
WHAT MAKES THEM DIFFERENT IS THE WILLINGNESS TO KILL ALL THE WHAT MAKES THEM DIFFERENT IS THE WILLINGNESS TO KILL ALL THE MUSLIMS.
WILLINGNESS TO KILL ALL THE MUSLIMS.
WE THOUGHT WE HAD THEM DEFEATED MUSLIMS.
WE THOUGHT WE HAD THEM DEFEATED IN 2011, THEN THE ARAB SPRING WE THOUGHT WE HAD THEM DEFEATED IN 2011, THEN THE ARAB SPRING AND SYRIA HAPPENED.
IN 2011, THEN THE ARAB SPRING AND SYRIA HAPPENED.
THESE CONFLICT ZONES ARE AND SYRIA HAPPENED.
THESE CONFLICT ZONES ARE BREEDING GROUNDS FOR THESE GUYS.
THESE CONFLICT ZONES ARE BREEDING GROUNDS FOR THESE GUYS.
THEY CAME BACK TO LIFE, BECAME BREEDING GROUNDS FOR THESE GUYS.
THEY CAME BACK TO LIFE, BECAME THE BADDEST GUYS IN THE THEY CAME BACK TO LIFE, BECAME THE BADDEST GUYS IN THE OPPOSITION OF THE SYRIAN CIVIL THE BADDEST GUYS IN THE OPPOSITION OF THE SYRIAN CIVIL WAR AND THIS GUY WHO IS THE NEW OPPOSITION OF THE SYRIAN CIVIL WAR AND THIS GUY WHO IS THE NEW LEADER, BAGHDADDY, HE WAS IN WAR AND THIS GUY WHO IS THE NEW LEADER, BAGHDADDY, HE WAS IN JAIL AND GOT CLOSE TO A LOT OF LEADER, BAGHDADDY, HE WAS IN JAIL AND GOT CLOSE TO A LOT OF FORMER BAATHIST GUYS WHILE HE JAIL AND GOT CLOSE TO A LOT OF FORMER BAATHIST GUYS WHILE HE WAS IN JAIL.
FORMER BAATHIST GUYS WHILE HE WAS IN JAIL.
WAS RELEASED, LAUNCHED THESE WAS IN JAIL.
WAS RELEASED, LAUNCHED THESE VERY SUCCESSFUL PRISON BREAKS WAS RELEASED, LAUNCHED THESE VERY SUCCESSFUL PRISON BREAKS LAST YEAR WHERE THOUSANDS OF VERY SUCCESSFUL PRISON BREAKS LAST YEAR WHERE THOUSANDS OF TERRORISTS WERE SPRUNG BY HIM.
LAST YEAR WHERE THOUSANDS OF TERRORISTS WERE SPRUNG BY HIM.
THAT'S THE ARMY.
TERRORISTS WERE SPRUNG BY HIM.
THAT'S THE ARMY.
>> THAT'S THE ARMY.
>> GWEN: AND HE ACTUALLY HOLDS >> GWEN: AND HE ACTUALLY HOLDS TERRITORY AS OPPOSED TO AL GWEN: AND HE ACTUALLY HOLDS TERRITORY AS OPPOSED TO AL QAEDA.
TERRITORY AS OPPOSED TO AL QAEDA.
SO THE IDEA OF A TARGETED AIR QAEDA.
SO THE IDEA OF A TARGETED AIR STRIKE, WHICH AMERICANS LIKE SO THE IDEA OF A TARGETED AIR STRIKE, WHICH AMERICANS LIKE THAT ANTI-SEPTEMBER IX NOTION, STRIKE, WHICH AMERICANS LIKE THAT ANTI-SEPTEMBER IX NOTION, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK HERE?
THAT ANTI-SEPTEMBER IX NOTION, THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK HERE?
>> THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK HERE?
>> THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO PUT >> THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO PUT THIS AS A COUNTERTERRORISM THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO PUT THIS AS A COUNTERTERRORISM TEMPLATE BUT ISIS IS MUCH MORE THIS AS A COUNTERTERRORISM TEMPLATE BUT ISIS IS MUCH MORE POWERFUL, HAS MORE GROUND, TEMPLATE BUT ISIS IS MUCH MORE POWERFUL, HAS MORE GROUND, WEAPONRY, MONEY AND FOLLOWERS POWERFUL, HAS MORE GROUND, WEAPONRY, MONEY AND FOLLOWERS THAN EITHER ONE OF THOSE AL WEAPONRY, MONEY AND FOLLOWERS THAN EITHER ONE OF THOSE AL QAEDA AFFILIATES EVER HAD.
THAN EITHER ONE OF THOSE AL QAEDA AFFILIATES EVER HAD.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN QAEDA AFFILIATES EVER HAD.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN QUICK.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN QUICK.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED GROUND QUICK.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED GROUND FORCES ON THE GROUND, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO NEED GROUND FORCES ON THE GROUND, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIND PROXIES, FORCES ON THE GROUND, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIND PROXIES, WHETHER THE FREE SYRIAN ARMY OR GOING TO TRY TO FIND PROXIES, WHETHER THE FREE SYRIAN ARMY OR THE IRAQI FORCES SO THAT NOT WHETHER THE FREE SYRIAN ARMY OR THE IRAQI FORCES SO THAT NOT BOOTS ON THE GROUND MEENS -- THE IRAQI FORCES SO THAT NOT BOOTS ON THE GROUND MEENS -- MEANS NOT LARGE COMBAT BOOTS ON THE GROUND MEENS -- MEANS NOT LARGE COMBAT FORMATIONS BUT THERE WILL BE MEANS NOT LARGE COMBAT FORMATIONS BUT THERE WILL BE PEOPLE ASSISTING.
FORMATIONS BUT THERE WILL BE PEOPLE ASSISTING.
WE HAD A TASTE OF THAT A FEW PEOPLE ASSISTING.
WE HAD A TASTE OF THAT A FEW WEEKS NOOK PESH MANAGERA AND WE HAD A TASTE OF THAT A FEW WEEKS NOOK PESH MANAGERA AND THEY WERE SORT OF ABLE TO RETAKE WEEKS NOOK PESH MANAGERA AND THEY WERE SORT OF ABLE TO RETAKE TERRITORY, THE MOSUL DAM.
THEY WERE SORT OF ABLE TO RETAKE TERRITORY, THE MOSUL DAM.
GWEN: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BOOTS TERRITORY, THE MOSUL DAM.
GWEN: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
GWEN: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID WE'RE ON THE GROUND.
THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID WE'RE GOING IN BUT NOT THAT WAY.
THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID WE'RE GOING IN BUT NOT THAT WAY.
LISTEN TO WHAT SENATOR LINDSEY GOING IN BUT NOT THAT WAY.
LISTEN TO WHAT SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM SAID THIS WEEK.
LISTEN TO WHAT SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM SAID THIS WEEK.
>> I'M TIRED OF HALF-MEASURES.
GRAHAM SAID THIS WEEK.
>> I'M TIRED OF HALF-MEASURES.
I'M TIRED OF MISLEATING THE >> I'M TIRED OF HALF-MEASURES.
I'M TIRED OF MISLEATING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT WE I'M TIRED OF MISLEATING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT WE FACE.
AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT WE FACE.
THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL WE'RE FACE.
THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL WE'RE GOING TO BEAT THESE GUYS WITHOUT THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL WE'RE GOING TO BEAT THESE GUYS WITHOUT AN AMERICAN GROUND COMPONENT IN GOING TO BEAT THESE GUYS WITHOUT AN AMERICAN GROUND COMPONENT IN IRAQ AND SYRIA.
AN AMERICAN GROUND COMPONENT IN IRAQ AND SYRIA.
AND THE ONE THING I CAN PROMISE IRAQ AND SYRIA.
AND THE ONE THING I CAN PROMISE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IF WE TAKE AND THE ONE THING I CAN PROMISE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IF WE TAKE ISIL ON AND LOSE, WE WILL UNLOCK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IF WE TAKE ISIL ON AND LOSE, WE WILL UNLOCK THE GATES OF HELL AND HELL WILL ISIL ON AND LOSE, WE WILL UNLOCK THE GATES OF HELL AND HELL WILL COME OUR WAY.
THE GATES OF HELL AND HELL WILL COME OUR WAY.
GWEN: STRONG LANGUAGE.
COME OUR WAY.
GWEN: STRONG LANGUAGE.
BUT ARE AMERICANS PERSUADED BY GWEN: STRONG LANGUAGE.
BUT ARE AMERICANS PERSUADED BY THAT, THAT THERE SAY NEED FOR BUT ARE AMERICANS PERSUADED BY THAT, THAT THERE SAY NEED FOR AMERICAN TROOPS TO GO BACK AND THAT, THAT THERE SAY NEED FOR AMERICAN TROOPS TO GO BACK AND FIGHT THIS WAR IN THE SAME AREA AMERICAN TROOPS TO GO BACK AND FIGHT THIS WAR IN THE SAME AREA OF THE WORLD WHERE WE JUST GOT FIGHT THIS WAR IN THE SAME AREA OF THE WORLD WHERE WE JUST GOT OUT?
OF THE WORLD WHERE WE JUST GOT OUT?
>> NOT YET.
OUT?
>> NOT YET.
LAWMAKERS LIKE LINDSAY GRAHAM >> NOT YET.
LAWMAKERS LIKE LINDSAY GRAHAM ARE STILL IN THE VOCAL MINORITY.
LAWMAKERS LIKE LINDSAY GRAHAM ARE STILL IN THE VOCAL MINORITY.
THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME ARE STILL IN THE VOCAL MINORITY.
THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME CALLING, GRAHAM AND MCCAIN, THE THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME CALLING, GRAHAM AND MCCAIN, THE TWO AM IGOES.
CALLING, GRAHAM AND MCCAIN, THE TWO AM IGOES.
BUT THERE IS NOT WIDESPREAD TWO AM IGOES.
BUT THERE IS NOT WIDESPREAD AGREEMENT YET THAT GROUND TROOPS BUT THERE IS NOT WIDESPREAD AGREEMENT YET THAT GROUND TROOPS ARE NEEDED.
AGREEMENT YET THAT GROUND TROOPS ARE NEEDED.
YOU TALK TO DEMOCRATS AND ARE NEEDED.
YOU TALK TO DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, THEY SAY I'M YOU TALK TO DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, THEY SAY I'M WILLING TO ENGAGE, TO GIB THE REPUBLICANS, THEY SAY I'M WILLING TO ENGAGE, TO GIB THE PRESIDENT THE A -- AUTHORITY TO WILLING TO ENGAGE, TO GIB THE PRESIDENT THE A -- AUTHORITY TO USE AIR STRIKES AND TO TEAM UP PRESIDENT THE A -- AUTHORITY TO USE AIR STRIKES AND TO TEAM UP WITH THESE GUYS BUT NOT GROUND USE AIR STRIKES AND TO TEAM UP WITH THESE GUYS BUT NOT GROUND TROOPS.
WITH THESE GUYS BUT NOT GROUND TROOPS.
AT SOME POINT THAT IS TROOPS.
AT SOME POINT THAT IS IMPRACTICAL.
AT SOME POINT THAT IS IMPRACTICAL.
WHAT IF YOU GET TO THE POINT IMPRACTICAL.
WHAT IF YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE DOING WELL, 70% WHAT IF YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE DOING WELL, 70% THERE, BUT 90,000 GROUND TROOPS WHERE WE'RE DOING WELL, 70% THERE, BUT 90,000 GROUND TROOPS WOULD GET US THERE, AND THAT IS THERE, BUT 90,000 GROUND TROOPS WOULD GET US THERE, AND THAT IS WHY I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE WOULD GET US THERE, AND THAT IS WHY I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE CALLS AND PLANS PUT IN PLACE TO WHY I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE CALLS AND PLANS PUT IN PLACE TO HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION ABOUT CALLS AND PLANS PUT IN PLACE TO HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AFTER THE ELECTIONS.
HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AFTER THE ELECTIONS.
STENY HOYER, THE MAJORITY WHIP, THIS AFTER THE ELECTIONS.
STENY HOYER, THE MAJORITY WHIP, SUGGESTED THAT.
STENY HOYER, THE MAJORITY WHIP, SUGGESTED THAT.
THERE MAY BE PLANS TO BRING THIS SUGGESTED THAT.
THERE MAY BE PLANS TO BRING THIS UP AGAIN AND TALK ABOUT IT, THERE MAY BE PLANS TO BRING THIS UP AGAIN AND TALK ABOUT IT, WHETHER IT IS RESOLVED BEFORE UP AGAIN AND TALK ABOUT IT, WHETHER IT IS RESOLVED BEFORE CHRISTMAS, THAT'S UNCLEAR BUT WHETHER IT IS RESOLVED BEFORE CHRISTMAS, THAT'S UNCLEAR BUT THERE ARE GLOWING -- GROWING CHRISTMAS, THAT'S UNCLEAR BUT THERE ARE GLOWING -- GROWING CALLS SO -- TO HAVE EYE MORE THERE ARE GLOWING -- GROWING CALLS SO -- TO HAVE EYE MORE SUBSTANTIVE DEBATE.
CALLS SO -- TO HAVE EYE MORE SUBSTANTIVE DEBATE.
THERE HAVE BEEN VERY PRINCIPLED SUBSTANTIVE DEBATE.
THERE HAVE BEEN VERY PRINCIPLED ARGUMENTS ON THIS THIS WEEK AND THERE HAVE BEEN VERY PRINCIPLED ARGUMENTS ON THIS THIS WEEK AND A LOT OF PEOPLE AGREE, WELL, WE ARGUMENTS ON THIS THIS WEEK AND A LOT OF PEOPLE AGREE, WELL, WE HAVE SUCH POOR APPROVAL RATINGS A LOT OF PEOPLE AGREE, WELL, WE HAVE SUCH POOR APPROVAL RATINGS AT THIS POINT, IF WE CAN'T EVEN HAVE SUCH POOR APPROVAL RATINGS AT THIS POINT, IF WE CAN'T EVEN DEBATE THIS, WHAT ARE WE HERE AT THIS POINT, IF WE CAN'T EVEN DEBATE THIS, WHAT ARE WE HERE FOR?
DEBATE THIS, WHAT ARE WE HERE FOR?
>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR FOR?
>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR VIEWERS TO UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR VIEWERS TO UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY SAY NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND, IT'S VIEWERS TO UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY SAY NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND, IT'S A MISSION.
SAY NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND, IT'S A MISSION.
WE HAVE 1,500 BOOTS ON THE A MISSION.
WE HAVE 1,500 BOOTS ON THE GROUND BUT THEY'RE, THEIR WE HAVE 1,500 BOOTS ON THE GROUND BUT THEY'RE, THEIR MISSION IS IN THE BACKGROUND, GROUND BUT THEY'RE, THEIR MISSION IS IN THE BACKGROUND, GIVING INTELLIGENCE, ASSISTING MISSION IS IN THE BACKGROUND, GIVING INTELLIGENCE, ASSISTING THE IRAQI GROUND FORCES OR AS I GIVING INTELLIGENCE, ASSISTING THE IRAQI GROUND FORCES OR AS I SAID THE FREE SYRIAN ARMY IN THE IRAQI GROUND FORCES OR AS I SAID THE FREE SYRIAN ARMY IN SYRIA.
SAID THE FREE SYRIAN ARMY IN SYRIA.
DO YOU WANT YOUR COMBAT GUYS TO SYRIA.
DO YOU WANT YOUR COMBAT GUYS TO BE THE TIP OF 9 SPEAR?
DO YOU WANT YOUR COMBAT GUYS TO BE THE TIP OF 9 SPEAR?
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
BE THE TIP OF 9 SPEAR?
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
GWEN: RIGHT.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
GWEN: RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT GWEN: RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT COALITIONS.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT COALITIONS.
>> THERE WILL HAVE TO BE CLEARLY COALITIONS.
>> THERE WILL HAVE TO BE CLEARLY MORE THAN 1,500 BEFORE THIS IS >> THERE WILL HAVE TO BE CLEARLY MORE THAN 1,500 BEFORE THIS IS OVER.
MORE THAN 1,500 BEFORE THIS IS OVER.
SENATOR GRAHAM HAS BEEN OVER.
SENATOR GRAHAM HAS BEEN CONSISTENT ON THIS.
SENATOR GRAHAM HAS BEEN CONSISTENT ON THIS.
OBAMA HAS TAKEN OWNERSHIP OF CONSISTENT ON THIS.
OBAMA HAS TAKEN OWNERSHIP OF THIS FIGHT, THIS WAR, CALL ITWH OBAMA HAS TAKEN OWNERSHIP OF THIS FIGHT, THIS WAR, CALL ITWH AFFORD TO LOSE IT.
THIS FIGHT, THIS WAR, CALL ITWH AFFORD TO LOSE IT.
SENATOR GRAHAM IS RIGHT ABOUT AFFORD TO LOSE IT.
SENATOR GRAHAM IS RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
SENATOR GRAHAM IS RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
GWEN: EXCEPT THAT THIS FIGHT IS THAT.
GWEN: EXCEPT THAT THIS FIGHT IS GOING TO CONTINUE LONG AFTER GWEN: EXCEPT THAT THIS FIGHT IS GOING TO CONTINUE LONG AFTER HE'S LEFT OFFICE.
GOING TO CONTINUE LONG AFTER HE'S LEFT OFFICE.
>> WELL, WE BETTER HAVE MADE HE'S LEFT OFFICE.
>> WELL, WE BETTER HAVE MADE SOME STRIDES BEFORE HE LEAVES >> WELL, WE BETTER HAVE MADE SOME STRIDES BEFORE HE LEAVES OFFICE OR THE LEGACY WILL LOOK SOME STRIDES BEFORE HE LEAVES OFFICE OR THE LEGACY WILL LOOK WORSE THAN IT DOES NOW.
OFFICE OR THE LEGACY WILL LOOK WORSE THAN IT DOES NOW.
GWEN: HOW DOES THIS CHANGE WORSE THAN IT DOES NOW.
GWEN: HOW DOES THIS CHANGE THINGS?
GWEN: HOW DOES THIS CHANGE THINGS?
>> I THINK PEOPLE ARE VERY THINGS?
>> I THINK PEOPLE ARE VERY SKEPTICAL AND PEOPLE HERE -- >> I THINK PEOPLE ARE VERY SKEPTICAL AND PEOPLE HERE -- NEAR THE PRESIDENT'S RHETORIC SKEPTICAL AND PEOPLE HERE -- NEAR THE PRESIDENT'S RHETORIC THE SHADOW OF THE IRAQ WAR.
NEAR THE PRESIDENT'S RHETORIC THE SHADOW OF THE IRAQ WAR.
IT SEEMED ON WEDNESDAY HE TALKED THE SHADOW OF THE IRAQ WAR.
IT SEEMED ON WEDNESDAY HE TALKED MORE ABOUT WHAT HE WASN'T DOING IT SEEMED ON WEDNESDAY HE TALKED MORE ABOUT WHAT HE WASN'T DOING THAN WHAT HE WAS DOING BECAUSE MORE ABOUT WHAT HE WASN'T DOING THAN WHAT HE WAS DOING BECAUSE HE IS COULD SECONDARY, AS HE -- THAN WHAT HE WAS DOING BECAUSE HE IS COULD SECONDARY, AS HE -- SO CONCERNED, EASE PUT IT, ABOUT HE IS COULD SECONDARY, AS HE -- SO CONCERNED, EASE PUT IT, ABOUT BEING SUCKED INTO ANOTHER IRAQ SO CONCERNED, EASE PUT IT, ABOUT BEING SUCKED INTO ANOTHER IRAQ WAR.
BEING SUCKED INTO ANOTHER IRAQ WAR.
A LOT OF VERY WARY PEOPLE IN WAR.
A LOT OF VERY WARY PEOPLE IN BOTH PARTIES.
A LOT OF VERY WARY PEOPLE IN BOTH PARTIES.
THE PRESIDENT HAS SUPPORT IN BOTH PARTIES.
THE PRESIDENT HAS SUPPORT IN BOTH PARTIES AND ALSO SKEPTICISM THE PRESIDENT HAS SUPPORT IN BOTH PARTIES AND ALSO SKEPTICISM IN BOTH PARTIES.
BOTH PARTIES AND ALSO SKEPTICISM IN BOTH PARTIES.
YOU HAVE MORE AND LESS HAWKISH IN BOTH PARTIES.
YOU HAVE MORE AND LESS HAWKISH DEMOCRATS AND MORE AND LESS YOU HAVE MORE AND LESS HAWKISH DEMOCRATS AND MORE AND LESS HAWKISH REPUBLICANS AS THIS DEMOCRATS AND MORE AND LESS HAWKISH REPUBLICANS AS THIS NONINTERINTENTIONIST STRAIN HAS HAWKISH REPUBLICANS AS THIS NONINTERINTENTIONIST STRAIN HAS RISEN IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
NONINTERINTENTIONIST STRAIN HAS RISEN IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING RISEN IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING AS THEY DID IN 2003, WAIT A YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING AS THEY DID IN 2003, WAIT A MINUTE, PUT THE BRAKES ON, LET'S AS THEY DID IN 2003, WAIT A MINUTE, PUT THE BRAKES ON, LET'S NOT LET THE SNOWBALL ROLL UNTIL MINUTE, PUT THE BRAKES ON, LET'S NOT LET THE SNOWBALL ROLL UNTIL WE GET SUCKED INTO SOMETHING WE NOT LET THE SNOWBALL ROLL UNTIL WE GET SUCKED INTO SOMETHING WE CAN'T FINISH.
WE GET SUCKED INTO SOMETHING WE CAN'T FINISH.
GWEN: IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THIS CAN'T FINISH.
GWEN: IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THIS PRESIDENT, KERR -- CARRIE, FROM GWEN: IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THIS PRESIDENT, KERR -- CARRIE, FROM HAVING COVERED HIM, JUST PRESIDENT, KERR -- CARRIE, FROM HAVING COVERED HIM, JUST WATCHING THAT SPEECH YOU WOULD HAVING COVERED HIM, JUST WATCHING THAT SPEECH YOU WOULD THOUGHT HE WAS VERY HAWKISH, WATCHING THAT SPEECH YOU WOULD THOUGHT HE WAS VERY HAWKISH, RIGHT?
THOUGHT HE WAS VERY HAWKISH, RIGHT?
>> YEAH.
RIGHT?
>> YEAH.
AND SPEAKING OF AMERICAN >> YEAH.
AND SPEAKING OF AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, REALLY PUSHING AND SPEAKING OF AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM, REALLY PUSHING BACK TO THE CRITICS WHO SAID HE EXCEPTIONALISM, REALLY PUSHING BACK TO THE CRITICS WHO SAID HE DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT ANY MORE.
BACK TO THE CRITICS WHO SAID HE DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT ANY MORE.
STRONG LANGUAGE IN THERE.
DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT ANY MORE.
STRONG LANGUAGE IN THERE.
IT WAS REMARKABLE STUFF AND IF STRONG LANGUAGE IN THERE.
IT WAS REMARKABLE STUFF AND IF YOU CLOSED YOUR EYES YOU THOUGHT IT WAS REMARKABLE STUFF AND IF YOU CLOSED YOUR EYES YOU THOUGHT MAYBE GEORGE BUSH WAS SAYING IT.
YOU CLOSED YOUR EYES YOU THOUGHT MAYBE GEORGE BUSH WAS SAYING IT.
THE WHITE HOUSE GOT A LOT OF MAYBE GEORGE BUSH WAS SAYING IT.
THE WHITE HOUSE GOT A LOT OF CRITICISM FOR NOT BEING QUICKER THE WHITE HOUSE GOT A LOT OF CRITICISM FOR NOT BEING QUICKER TO COME UP WITH A STRATEGY BUT I CRITICISM FOR NOT BEING QUICKER TO COME UP WITH A STRATEGY BUT I CAN TALE -- TELL YOU WITHIN THE TO COME UP WITH A STRATEGY BUT I CAN TALE -- TELL YOU WITHIN THE WHITE HOUSE THEY WERE FINE WITH CAN TALE -- TELL YOU WITHIN THE WHITE HOUSE THEY WERE FINE WITH THAT.
WHITE HOUSE THEY WERE FINE WITH THAT.
HE TOOK HITS BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT.
HE TOOK HITS BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE CALLED HIM THE RELUCTANT WARRIOR HE TOOK HITS BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE CALLED HIM THE RELUCTANT WARRIOR THIS WEEK, BUT IN THE WEST WING, CALLED HIM THE RELUCTANT WARRIOR THIS WEEK, BUT IN THE WEST WING, THEY -- SOMEONE TOLD MINIMUM -- THIS WEEK, BUT IN THE WEST WING, THEY -- SOMEONE TOLD MINIMUM -- HIM TODAY HE'S A DELIBERATE THEY -- SOMEONE TOLD MINIMUM -- HIM TODAY HE'S A DELIBERATE WARRIOR AND THEY THINK THAT PAID HIM TODAY HE'S A DELIBERATE WARRIOR AND THEY THINK THAT PAID OFF THIS WEEK WHERE HE TOOK HIS WARRIOR AND THEY THINK THAT PAID OFF THIS WEEK WHERE HE TOOK HIS TIME, CAME UP WITH A STRATEGY OFF THIS WEEK WHERE HE TOOK HIS TIME, CAME UP WITH A STRATEGY AND HAS RECEIVED SUPPORT FROM TIME, CAME UP WITH A STRATEGY AND HAS RECEIVED SUPPORT FROM BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.
AND HAS RECEIVED SUPPORT FROM BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.
SO I THINK IN CONTRAST IS A -- BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.
SO I THINK IN CONTRAST IS A -- TO A YEAR AGO AND HOW THEY SO I THINK IN CONTRAST IS A -- TO A YEAR AGO AND HOW THEY DRUGGLED SO MUCH WITH SYRIA, TO A YEAR AGO AND HOW THEY DRUGGLED SO MUCH WITH SYRIA, THEY FEEL REALLY GOOD BUT -- DRUGGLED SO MUCH WITH SYRIA, THEY FEEL REALLY GOOD BUT -- ABOUT HOW IT PLAYED OUT THIS THEY FEEL REALLY GOOD BUT -- ABOUT HOW IT PLAYED OUT THIS WEEK.
ABOUT HOW IT PLAYED OUT THIS WEEK.
GWEN: TWO BIG QUESTION MARKS WEEK.
GWEN: TWO BIG QUESTION MARKS COME TO MIND.
GWEN: TWO BIG QUESTION MARKS COME TO MIND.
ONE IS THE FREE SYRIAN ARMY COME TO MIND.
ONE IS THE FREE SYRIAN ARMY WHICH WE'RE NOW IN LEAGUE WITH.
ONE IS THE FREE SYRIAN ARMY WHICH WE'RE NOW IN LEAGUE WITH.
AND THE OTHER IS BASHAR AL WHICH WE'RE NOW IN LEAGUE WITH.
AND THE OTHER IS BASHAR AL ASSAD, WHO BENEFITS IF THIS AND THE OTHER IS BASHAR AL ASSAD, WHO BENEFITS IF THIS WORKS AND WE ADDS -- I THINK AT ASSAD, WHO BENEFITS IF THIS WORKS AND WE ADDS -- I THINK AT LEAST CHECK STILL WANT HIM TO WORKS AND WE ADDS -- I THINK AT LEAST CHECK STILL WANT HIM TO LEAVE OFFICE, RIGHT?
LEAST CHECK STILL WANT HIM TO LEAVE OFFICE, RIGHT?
THESE ARE TO -- TWO BIG LEAVE OFFICE, RIGHT?
THESE ARE TO -- TWO BIG OBSTACLES.
THESE ARE TO -- TWO BIG OBSTACLES.
>> YOU RAISE TWO REALLY BIG, OBSTACLES.
>> YOU RAISE TWO REALLY BIG, TOUGH PROBLEMS TO SOLVE ON THIS.
>> YOU RAISE TWO REALLY BIG, TOUGH PROBLEMS TO SOLVE ON THIS.
THE FREE SYRIAN ARMY, WE DON'T TOUGH PROBLEMS TO SOLVE ON THIS.
THE FREE SYRIAN ARMY, WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE CAPABLE EVEN THE FREE SYRIAN ARMY, WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE CAPABLE EVEN MARRIED TO U.S. AIR POWER.
KNOW IF THEY'RE CAPABLE EVEN MARRIED TO U.S. AIR POWER.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THAT A MARRIED TO U.S. AIR POWER.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THAT A TRY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THAT A TRY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO COORDINATE TRY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO COORDINATE WITH ASSAD BECAUSE AS THE WE'RE NOT GOING TO COORDINATE WITH ASSAD BECAUSE AS THE PRESIDENT SAID IN HIS SPEECH, WITH ASSAD BECAUSE AS THE PRESIDENT SAID IN HIS SPEECH, THEY'VE LOST ALL LEGITIMACY AND PRESIDENT SAID IN HIS SPEECH, THEY'VE LOST ALL LEGITIMACY AND ARE NOT GOING TO GET IT BACK.
THEY'VE LOST ALL LEGITIMACY AND ARE NOT GOING TO GET IT BACK.
I THINK THE PRESIDENT WAS FACED ARE NOT GOING TO GET IT BACK.
I THINK THE PRESIDENT WAS FACED WITH THE SITUATION WHERE THIS I THINK THE PRESIDENT WAS FACED WITH THE SITUATION WHERE THIS GROUP WAS GETTING SO POWERFUL WITH THE SITUATION WHERE THIS GROUP WAS GETTING SO POWERFUL AND HIS INTELLIGENCE GUYS, I CAN GROUP WAS GETTING SO POWERFUL AND HIS INTELLIGENCE GUYS, I CAN ASSURE YOU, WERE TELLING HIM THE AND HIS INTELLIGENCE GUYS, I CAN ASSURE YOU, WERE TELLING HIM THE CHANCES OF A STRIKE ON THE ASSURE YOU, WERE TELLING HIM THE CHANCES OF A STRIKE ON THE HOMELAND ARE GROWING EVERY DAY CHANCES OF A STRIKE ON THE HOMELAND ARE GROWING EVERY DAY BECAUSE THE FOREIGN FIGHTERS HOMELAND ARE GROWING EVERY DAY BECAUSE THE FOREIGN FIGHTERS WITH WESTERN PASSPORTS ARE BECAUSE THE FOREIGN FIGHTERS WITH WESTERN PASSPORTS ARE FLOCKING OVER THERE.
WITH WESTERN PASSPORTS ARE FLOCKING OVER THERE.
GWEN: WHAT I HEARD HIM SAY IN FLOCKING OVER THERE.
GWEN: WHAT I HEARD HIM SAY IN THE SPEECH WAS WE DON'T ARE -- GWEN: WHAT I HEARD HIM SAY IN THE SPEECH WAS WE DON'T ARE -- HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE THE SPEECH WAS WE DON'T ARE -- HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE NOTION AND THAT THE FOREIGN HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE NOTION AND THAT THE FOREIGN FIGHTERS FLORKING OVER ARE NOT NOTION AND THAT THE FOREIGN FIGHTERS FLORKING OVER ARE NOT MOSTLY AMERICAN FIGHTERS.
FIGHTERS FLORKING OVER ARE NOT MOSTLY AMERICAN FIGHTERS.
SO I HAVEN'T YET SEEN ANY MOSTLY AMERICAN FIGHTERS.
SO I HAVEN'T YET SEEN ANY EVIDENCE PROVIDED ABOUT WHAT THE SO I HAVEN'T YET SEEN ANY EVIDENCE PROVIDED ABOUT WHAT THE HOMELAND DOMESTIC THREAT IS ON EVIDENCE PROVIDED ABOUT WHAT THE HOMELAND DOMESTIC THREAT IS ON OUR SHORES.
HOMELAND DOMESTIC THREAT IS ON OUR SHORES.
>> THERE'S ROUGHY 2,000 OUR SHORES.
>> THERE'S ROUGHY 2,000 EUROPEAN/AMERICAN FOREIGN >> THERE'S ROUGHY 2,000 EUROPEAN/AMERICAN FOREIGN FIGHTERS, THEY DON'T HAVE EXACT EUROPEAN/AMERICAN FOREIGN FIGHTERS, THEY DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS.
FIGHTERS, THEY DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS.
A LOT OF THOSE COME FROM, YOU NUMBERS.
A LOT OF THOSE COME FROM, YOU KNOW, 60 FROM AUSTRALIA.
A LOT OF THOSE COME FROM, YOU KNOW, 60 FROM AUSTRALIA.
THE VE EYES COME THROUGH KNOW, 60 FROM AUSTRALIA.
THE VE EYES COME THROUGH COUNTRIES THAT DON'T NEED VISAS THE VE EYES COME THROUGH COUNTRIES THAT DON'T NEED VISAS AND COULD VERY QUICKLY GET COUNTRIES THAT DON'T NEED VISAS AND COULD VERY QUICKLY GET OVERLOOKED.
AND COULD VERY QUICKLY GET OVERLOOKED.
THEY DISAPPEAR IN EUROPE, SHOW OVERLOOKED.
THEY DISAPPEAR IN EUROPE, SHOW UP IN SYRIA, RAD I CAN AL AYESED THEY DISAPPEAR IN EUROPE, SHOW UP IN SYRIA, RAD I CAN AL AYESED UP IN SYRIA, RAD I CAN AL AYESED -- RADICALIZED AND TRAINED AND -- RADICALIZED AND TRAINED AND THEY ARE VERY WORRIED, THE PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO, BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY WORRIED, THE PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO, BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH THEY DON'T KNOW PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO, BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE FOREIGN FIGHTERS.
THERE IS SO MUCH THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE FOREIGN FIGHTERS.
THEY DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PLOT.
ABOUT THE FOREIGN FIGHTERS.
THEY DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PLOT.
THE HEAD OF ISIS HAS THREATENED THEY DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC PLOT.
THE HEAD OF ISIS HAS THREATENED AMERICA VERY CLEARLY.
THE HEAD OF ISIS HAS THREATENED AMERICA VERY CLEARLY.
WHEN THEY LET HIM OUT OF JAIL, AMERICA VERY CLEARLY.
WHEN THEY LET HIM OUT OF JAIL, HE TOLD THE AMERICAN SOLDIERS, WHEN THEY LET HIM OUT OF JAIL, HE TOLD THE AMERICAN SOLDIERS, "I'LL SEE YOU IN NEW YORK."
HE TOLD THE AMERICAN SOLDIERS, "I'LL SEE YOU IN NEW YORK."
THESE GUYS ARE VIRULENTLY "I'LL SEE YOU IN NEW YORK."
THESE GUYS ARE VIRULENTLY ANTI-WESTERN.
THESE GUYS ARE VIRULENTLY ANTI-WESTERN.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT VERY ANTI-WESTERN.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY WHEN THEY START YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY WHEN THEY START THREATENING YOU.
SERIOUSLY WHEN THEY START THREATENING YOU.
GWEN: I ALSO WONDER IF THAT IS THREATENING YOU.
GWEN: I ALSO WONDER IF THAT IS WHAT DRIVES -- YOU HEARD JOHN GWEN: I ALSO WONDER IF THAT IS WHAT DRIVES -- YOU HEARD JOHN BOEHNER SAY THIS WEEK, I'M GOING WHAT DRIVES -- YOU HEARD JOHN BOEHNER SAY THIS WEEK, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT, THE BOEHNER SAY THIS WEEK, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT, THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF BUT I WONDER TO SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT, THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF BUT I WONDER IF HE REALLY UNDERSTANDS.
COMMANDER IN CHIEF BUT I WONDER IF HE REALLY UNDERSTANDS.
EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT HIM IF HE REALLY UNDERSTANDS.
EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT HIM SAID TIMELY THE PRESIDENT IS EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT HIM SAID TIMELY THE PRESIDENT IS COMING AROUND.
SAID TIMELY THE PRESIDENT IS COMING AROUND.
WE'LL SEE ABOUT THE COMING AROUND.
WE'LL SEE ABOUT THE FOLLOW-THROUGH.
WE'LL SEE ABOUT THE FOLLOW-THROUGH.
HE GIVES A GOOD SPEECH.
FOLLOW-THROUGH.
HE GIVES A GOOD SPEECH.
>> THERE IS SKEPTICISM ON BOTH HE GIVES A GOOD SPEECH.
>> THERE IS SKEPTICISM ON BOTH ENDS OF THE STREET.
>> THERE IS SKEPTICISM ON BOTH ENDS OF THE STREET.
I THINK THE WHITE HOUSE IS STILL ENDS OF THE STREET.
I THINK THE WHITE HOUSE IS STILL PRETTY WARY.
I THINK THE WHITE HOUSE IS STILL PRETTY WARY.
PART OF THE REASON WHY, THERE PRETTY WARY.
PART OF THE REASON WHY, THERE WAS AN INCREDIBLE MOMENT THIS PART OF THE REASON WHY, THERE WAS AN INCREDIBLE MOMENT THIS WEEK WHERE HALL ROGERS, CHAIRMAN WAS AN INCREDIBLE MOMENT THIS WEEK WHERE HALL ROGERS, CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE APPROPRIATE IGSES WEEK WHERE HALL ROGERS, CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE APPROPRIATE IGSES -- APPROPRIATEATIONS COMMITTEE OF THE SENATE APPROPRIATE IGSES -- APPROPRIATEATIONS COMMITTEE SAID HE GOT A CALL TUESDAY NIGHT -- APPROPRIATEATIONS COMMITTEE SAID HE GOT A CALL TUESDAY NIGHT FROM THE PRESIDENT DIRECTLY AND SAID HE GOT A CALL TUESDAY NIGHT FROM THE PRESIDENT DIRECTLY AND THE PRESIDENT ASKED HIM, COULD FROM THE PRESIDENT DIRECTLY AND THE PRESIDENT ASKED HIM, COULD YOU PLEASE INSERT THIS LEGAL THE PRESIDENT ASKED HIM, COULD YOU PLEASE INSERT THIS LEGAL AUTHORITY INTO YOUR SHORT-TERM YOU PLEASE INSERT THIS LEGAL AUTHORITY INTO YOUR SHORT-TERM SPENDING BILL YOU ARE PLANNING AUTHORITY INTO YOUR SHORT-TERM SPENDING BILL YOU ARE PLANNING ON PASSING, WHAT ORIGINALLY WAS SPENDING BILL YOU ARE PLANNING ON PASSING, WHAT ORIGINALLY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PASSED LAST ON PASSING, WHAT ORIGINALLY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PASSED LAST NIGHT.
SUPPOSED TO BE PASSED LAST NIGHT.
CHAIRMAN ROGERS SAID HE WADS NIGHT.
CHAIRMAN ROGERS SAID HE WADS THUNDER STRUCK BY THIS BECAUSE CHAIRMAN ROGERS SAID HE WADS THUNDER STRUCK BY THIS BECAUSE HE HAD NEVER THUNDER STRUCK BY THIS BECAUSE HE HAD NEVER FROM THE PRESIDENT BEFORE, HE HAD NEVER FROM THE PRESIDENT BEFORE, PERIOD.
FROM THE PRESIDENT BEFORE, PERIOD.
GWEN: IS THAT TRUE?
PERIOD.
GWEN: IS THAT TRUE?
>> WE ASKED HIM DIRECTLY HAVE GWEN: IS THAT TRUE?
>> WE ASKED HIM DIRECTLY HAVE YOU EVER RECEIVED A CALL FROM >> WE ASKED HIM DIRECTLY HAVE YOU EVER RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE PRESIDENT ASKING THAT YOU DO YOU EVER RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE PRESIDENT ASKING THAT YOU DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR SPENDING THE PRESIDENT ASKING THAT YOU DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR SPENDING BILL?
SOMETHING WITH YOUR SPENDING BILL?
>> THAT'S NOT HARD TO BELIEVE.
BILL?
>> THAT'S NOT HARD TO BELIEVE.
>> IT'S NOT HARD TO BELIEVE >> THAT'S NOT HARD TO BELIEVE.
>> IT'S NOT HARD TO BELIEVE BECAUSE THIS IS A CONGRESS >> IT'S NOT HARD TO BELIEVE BECAUSE THIS IS A CONGRESS THAT'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH IGNORED BECAUSE THIS IS A CONGRESS THAT'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH IGNORED BIT CONGRESSIONAL -- CONGRESS.
THAT'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH IGNORED BIT CONGRESSIONAL -- CONGRESS.
SO THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE BIT CONGRESSIONAL -- CONGRESS.
SO THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE SKEPTICAL MAKES TOTAL SENSE.
SO THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE SKEPTICAL MAKES TOTAL SENSE.
THE IDEA THAT HE WOULD CALL THE SKEPTICAL MAKES TOTAL SENSE.
THE IDEA THAT HE WOULD CALL THE NIGHT BEFORE TO HAVE SOMETHING THE IDEA THAT HE WOULD CALL THE NIGHT BEFORE TO HAVE SOMETHING INSERTED INTO ONE OF THE MOST NIGHT BEFORE TO HAVE SOMETHING INSERTED INTO ONE OF THE MOST COMPLEX PIECES OF LEGISLATION INSERTED INTO ONE OF THE MOST COMPLEX PIECES OF LEGISLATION EVERY YEAR, YOU CAN'T FAULT THEM COMPLEX PIECES OF LEGISLATION EVERY YEAR, YOU CAN'T FAULT THEM FOR BEING SKEPTICAL.
EVERY YEAR, YOU CAN'T FAULT THEM FOR BEING SKEPTICAL.
GWEN: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO FOR BEING SKEPTICAL.
GWEN: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ONE OTHER THING BUT ONE THING, GWEN: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ONE OTHER THING BUT ONE THING, JAMES WROTE THAT THIS IS A ONE OTHER THING BUT ONE THING, JAMES WROTE THAT THIS IS A PRESIDENT IS IS -- THAT SPLITS JAMES WROTE THAT THIS IS A PRESIDENT IS IS -- THAT SPLITS THE DIFFERENCE.
PRESIDENT IS IS -- THAT SPLITS THE DIFFERENCE.
YOU ARE NODDING AND SMILING THE THE DIFFERENCE.
YOU ARE NODDING AND SMILING THE LIKE "WHERE IS THE MIDDLE THAT I YOU ARE NODDING AND SMILING THE LIKE "WHERE IS THE MIDDLE THAT I CAN FIND?
LIKE "WHERE IS THE MIDDLE THAT I CAN FIND?
"QUT THIS MAY BE THE CASE WHERE CAN FIND?
"QUT THIS MAY BE THE CASE WHERE IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO SPLIT IT.
"QUT THIS MAY BE THE CASE WHERE IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO SPLIT IT.
>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO SPLIT IT.
>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
HIS SPLIT IS NO GROUND FORCES.
>> I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
HIS SPLIT IS NO GROUND FORCES.
BUT HE TOOK OWNERSHIP OF THIS HIS SPLIT IS NO GROUND FORCES.
BUT HE TOOK OWNERSHIP OF THIS PROBLEM THIS WEEK AND IF IT'S BUT HE TOOK OWNERSHIP OF THIS PROBLEM THIS WEEK AND IF IT'S NOT DONE WITHOUT A LOT FOR PROBLEM THIS WEEK AND IF IT'S NOT DONE WITHOUT A LOT FOR ADVISORS ON THE GROUND, WHICH I NOT DONE WITHOUT A LOT FOR ADVISORS ON THE GROUND, WHICH I THINK WILL BE NECESSARY, HE'S ADVISORS ON THE GROUND, WHICH I THINK WILL BE NECESSARY, HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO ANTE UP BECAUSE THINK WILL BE NECESSARY, HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO ANTE UP BECAUSE HE OWNS THIS NOW.
GOING TO HAVE TO ANTE UP BECAUSE HE OWNS THIS NOW.
GWEN: SPEAKING OF DOMESTIC HE OWNS THIS NOW.
GWEN: SPEAKING OF DOMESTIC THREATS OF THE POLITICAL KIND, GWEN: SPEAKING OF DOMESTIC THREATS OF THE POLITICAL KIND, WHEN THE WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCED THREATS OF THE POLITICAL KIND, WHEN THE WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCED LAST WEEKEND THAT IT WOULD NOT, WHEN THE WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCED LAST WEEKEND THAT IT WOULD NOT, AS PROMISED, USE EXECUTIVE LAST WEEKEND THAT IT WOULD NOT, AS PROMISED, USE EXECUTIVE ACTION TO MOVE ON IMMIGRATION AS PROMISED, USE EXECUTIVE ACTION TO MOVE ON IMMIGRATION REFORM PRIOR TO THIS FALL'S ACTION TO MOVE ON IMMIGRATION REFORM PRIOR TO THIS FALL'S ELECTION, THERE WAS REFORM PRIOR TO THIS FALL'S ELECTION, THERE WAS DISAPPOINTMENT ON THE LEFT AND ELECTION, THERE WAS DISAPPOINTMENT ON THE LEFT AND USPICION ON THE RIGHT.
DISAPPOINTMENT ON THE LEFT AND USPICION ON THE RIGHT.
>> APPROXIMATE THE PRESIDENT NOW USPICION ON THE RIGHT.
>> APPROXIMATE THE PRESIDENT NOW IS BRAZENLY REAFFIRMING IN EVEN >> APPROXIMATE THE PRESIDENT NOW IS BRAZENLY REAFFIRMING IN EVEN CLEARER LANGUAGE THAT HE WILL IS BRAZENLY REAFFIRMING IN EVEN CLEARER LANGUAGE THAT HE WILL CARRY OUT HIS AMNESTY PLAN BUT CLEARER LANGUAGE THAT HE WILL CARRY OUT HIS AMNESTY PLAN BUT ONLY AFTER THE ELECTION IN CARRY OUT HIS AMNESTY PLAN BUT ONLY AFTER THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO ONLY AFTER THE ELECTION IN NOVEMBER THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO PROTECT HIS DEMOCRATIC SENATE NOVEMBER THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO PROTECT HIS DEMOCRATIC SENATE .
NDIDATES PROTECT HIS DEMOCRATIC SENATE .
NDIDATES >> WE'VE ALL BEEN FRUSTRATED, .
NDIDATES >> WE'VE ALL BEEN FRUSTRATED, ALL IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES ARE >> WE'VE ALL BEEN FRUSTRATED, ALL IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES ARE VERY, VERY FRUSTRATED ABOUT ALL IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES ARE VERY, VERY FRUSTRATED ABOUT THIS.
VERY, VERY FRUSTRATED ABOUT THIS.
SO WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID TO THIS.
SO WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID TO US, IN PARTICULAR THE HISPANIC SO WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID TO US, IN PARTICULAR THE HISPANIC CAUCUS, I'M GOING TO GET US, IN PARTICULAR THE HISPANIC CAUCUS, I'M GOING TO GET SOMETHING DONE AND YOU WILL KNOW CAUCUS, I'M GOING TO GET SOMETHING DONE AND YOU WILL KNOW BY AUGUST, IT IS A SOMETHING DONE AND YOU WILL KNOW BY AUGUST, IT IS A DISAPPOINTMENT.
BY AUGUST, IT IS A DISAPPOINTMENT.
IT'S A FRUSTRATION.
DISAPPOINTMENT.
IT'S A FRUSTRATION.
GWEN: SO WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT IT'S A FRUSTRATION.
GWEN: SO WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT PLOTTING HERE, ED?
GWEN: SO WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT PLOTTING HERE, ED?
>> APPARENTLY HE'S PLANNING TO PLOTTING HERE, ED?
>> APPARENTLY HE'S PLANNING TO GO, QUOTE, AS FAR AS HE CAN >> APPARENTLY HE'S PLANNING TO GO, QUOTE, AS FAR AS HE CAN BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS.
GO, QUOTE, AS FAR AS HE CAN BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS.
GWEN: WHICH HOLIDAY?
BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS.
GWEN: WHICH HOLIDAY?
COLUMBUS DAY?
GWEN: WHICH HOLIDAY?
COLUMBUS DAY?
>> ONE LAW MAKER SAID THINK COLUMBUS DAY?
>> ONE LAW MAKER SAID THINK THANKSGIVING.
>> ONE LAW MAKER SAID THINK THANKSGIVING.
ANOTHER SAID NO, CHRISTMAS.
THANKSGIVING.
ANOTHER SAID NO, CHRISTMAS.
THEY SAID REMEMBER THERE'S A ANOTHER SAID NO, CHRISTMAS.
THEY SAID REMEMBER THERE'S A RUNOFF ELECTION IN GEORGIA ON THEY SAID REMEMBER THERE'S A RUNOFF ELECTION IN GEORGIA ON JANUARY 6.
RUNOFF ELECTION IN GEORGIA ON JANUARY 6.
MAYBE HE'S TALKING "LITTLE JANUARY 6.
MAYBE HE'S TALKING "LITTLE CHRISTMAS."
MAYBE HE'S TALKING "LITTLE CHRISTMAS."
BOTTOM LINE, THERE WAS A MEETING CHRISTMAS."
BOTTOM LINE, THERE WAS A MEETING JUST YESTERDAY BETWEEN THE BOTTOM LINE, THERE WAS A MEETING JUST YESTERDAY BETWEEN THE MEMBERS OF 9 CONGRESSIONAL JUST YESTERDAY BETWEEN THE MEMBERS OF 9 CONGRESSIONAL HISPANIC CAUCUS AND JAMES MEMBERS OF 9 CONGRESSIONAL HISPANIC CAUCUS AND JAMES MCDONOUGH TO QUELL THE RANKS AND HISPANIC CAUCUS AND JAMES MCDONOUGH TO QUELL THE RANKS AND GET THEM TO CALM DOWN BECAUSE MCDONOUGH TO QUELL THE RANKS AND GET THEM TO CALM DOWN BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN VERY UPSET BY THE GET THEM TO CALM DOWN BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN VERY UPSET BY THE PRESIDENT'S DECISION TO NOT DO THEY'VE BEEN VERY UPSET BY THE PRESIDENT'S DECISION TO NOT DO INNING.
PRESIDENT'S DECISION TO NOT DO INNING.
THEY MAKE A VERY INTERESTING AND INNING.
THEY MAKE A VERY INTERESTING AND VALID ARGUMENT THAT WHEN YOU THEY MAKE A VERY INTERESTING AND VALID ARGUMENT THAT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THIS IS THE GROUP THAT VALID ARGUMENT THAT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THIS IS THE GROUP THAT UT HIM OVER THE TOP IN SWING CONSIDER THIS IS THE GROUP THAT UT HIM OVER THE TOP IN SWING STATES, THEY ARGUE HE HASN'T UT HIM OVER THE TOP IN SWING STATES, THEY ARGUE HE HASN'T RETURNED THE FAVOR.
STATES, THEY ARGUE HE HASN'T RETURNED THE FAVOR.
GWEN: IS SOMETHING GOING TO RETURNED THE FAVOR.
GWEN: IS SOMETHING GOING TO HAPPEN OR JUST THE OPPOSITE?
GWEN: IS SOMETHING GOING TO HAPPEN OR JUST THE OPPOSITE?
>> INTERESTING IRONY IN THOSE HAPPEN OR JUST THE OPPOSITE?
>> INTERESTING IRONY IN THOSE TWO CLIPS WHERE THE REPUBLICANS >> INTERESTING IRONY IN THOSE TWO CLIPS WHERE THE REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT WILL DO TWO CLIPS WHERE THE REPUBLICANS BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT WILL DO WHAT HE PROMISED AND THEY'RE MAD BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT WILL DO WHAT HE PROMISED AND THEY'RE MAD ABOUT THAT AND THE DEMOCRATS WHAT HE PROMISED AND THEY'RE MAD ABOUT THAT AND THE DEMOCRATS BELIEVE HE WON'T DO WHAT HE ABOUT THAT AND THE DEMOCRATS BELIEVE HE WON'T DO WHAT HE PROMISED AND THEY'RE MAD ABOUT BELIEVE HE WON'T DO WHAT HE PROMISED AND THEY'RE MAD ABOUT THAT.
PROMISED AND THEY'RE MAD ABOUT THAT.
THE WHITE HOUSE IS SAYING THAT.
THE WHITE HOUSE IS SAYING PRESIDENT PRESIDENT IS GOING TO THE WHITE HOUSE IS SAYING PRESIDENT PRESIDENT IS GOING TO DO WHAT HE'S BEEN SAYING SINCE PRESIDENT PRESIDENT IS GOING TO DO WHAT HE'S BEEN SAYING SINCE JUNE.
DO WHAT HE'S BEEN SAYING SINCE JUNE.
HE ACTUALLY SURPRISED SOME JUNE.
HE ACTUALLY SURPRISED SOME PEOPLE IN THE ACTIVIST COMMUNITY HE ACTUALLY SURPRISED SOME PEOPLE IN THE ACTIVIST COMMUNITY THAT -- BY MAKING THIS VERY PEOPLE IN THE ACTIVIST COMMUNITY THAT -- BY MAKING THIS VERY PUBLIC PLEDGE THAT HE WOULD DO THAT -- BY MAKING THIS VERY PUBLIC PLEDGE THAT HE WOULD DO SOMETHING BIT END OF THE SUMMER PUBLIC PLEDGE THAT HE WOULD DO SOMETHING BIT END OF THE SUMMER THE HE DIDN'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT SOMETHING BIT END OF THE SUMMER THE HE DIDN'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT PROMISE.
THE HE DIDN'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT PROMISE.
BY MAKING THAT PROMISE THEY PROMISE.
BY MAKING THAT PROMISE THEY ASSUMED HE HAD THOUGHT IT BY MAKING THAT PROMISE THEY ASSUMED HE HAD THOUGHT IT THROUGH AND FOR HIM TO THEN GO ASSUMED HE HAD THOUGHT IT THROUGH AND FOR HIM TO THEN GO BACK ON IT THEY REALLY DON'T THROUGH AND FOR HIM TO THEN GO BACK ON IT THEY REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT AND THINK THEY'VE BACK ON IT THEY REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT AND THINK THEY'VE BEEN STRUNG ALONG THE UNDERSTAND IT AND THINK THEY'VE BEEN STRUNG ALONG THE GWEN: THAT PROMISE, WHAT BEEN STRUNG ALONG THE GWEN: THAT PROMISE, WHAT ACTUALLY IS HE PROMISING TO DO?
GWEN: THAT PROMISE, WHAT ACTUALLY IS HE PROMISING TO DO?
WHAT'S THE BEST-CASE SCENARIO ACTUALLY IS HE PROMISING TO DO?
WHAT'S THE BEST-CASE SCENARIO THE PRESIDENT CAN DO BY WHAT'S THE BEST-CASE SCENARIO THE PRESIDENT CAN DO BY EXECUTIVE ORDER?
THE PRESIDENT CAN DO BY EXECUTIVE ORDER?
>> THE ONE BY, SHINY OBJECT IS EXECUTIVE ORDER?
>> THE ONE BY, SHINY OBJECT IS EXPANDING A PROGRAM THAT WOULD >> THE ONE BY, SHINY OBJECT IS EXPANDING A PROGRAM THAT WOULD DEFER DEPORTATIONS FOR EXPANDING A PROGRAM THAT WOULD DEFER DEPORTATIONS FOR POTENTIALLY MILLIONS OF DEFER DEPORTATIONS FOR POTENTIALLY MILLIONS OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS.
POTENTIALLY MILLIONS OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS.
THAT IS THE BIG FLASH POINT.
UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS.
THAT IS THE BIG FLASH POINT.
THAT IS WHAT THE ACTIVIST THAT IS THE BIG FLASH POINT.
THAT IS WHAT THE ACTIVIST COMMUNITY WANTS AND WHAT THAT IS WHAT THE ACTIVIST COMMUNITY WANTS AND WHAT DEMOCRATS WANT.
COMMUNITY WANTS AND WHAT DEMOCRATS WANT.
GWEN: THE AMNESTY THAT DEMOCRATS WANT.
GWEN: THE AMNESTY THAT REPUBLICANS ARE COMPLAINING GWEN: THE AMNESTY THAT REPUBLICANS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT?
REPUBLICANS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT?
>> YES.
ABOUT?
>> YES.
IT'S ONLY TEMPORARY AND THERE >> YES.
IT'S ONLY TEMPORARY AND THERE WOULD BE RESTRICTIONS ON IT BUT IT'S ONLY TEMPORARY AND THERE WOULD BE RESTRICTIONS ON IT BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT AND THE WOULD BE RESTRICTIONS ON IT BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT AND THE PRESIDENT BY ALL ACCOUNTS IS THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT AND THE PRESIDENT BY ALL ACCOUNTS IS GOING TO GO THERE.
PRESIDENT BY ALL ACCOUNTS IS GOING TO GO THERE.
IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW LARGE HE GOING TO GO THERE.
IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW LARGE HE GOES, WHETHER IT'S FIVE MILLION IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW LARGE HE GOES, WHETHER IT'S FIVE MILLION OR A MUCH SMALLER PRACTICE.
GOES, WHETHER IT'S FIVE MILLION OR A MUCH SMALLER PRACTICE.
THE THING FOR THE PRESIDENT IS OR A MUCH SMALLER PRACTICE.
THE THING FOR THE PRESIDENT IS BECAUSE HE'S DELAYED IT AGAIN, THE THING FOR THE PRESIDENT IS BECAUSE HE'S DELAYED IT AGAIN, THE BAR HAS BEEN RAISED AND BECAUSE HE'S DELAYED IT AGAIN, THE BAR HAS BEEN RAISED AND EXPECTATIONS ARE MUCH HIGHER.
THE BAR HAS BEEN RAISED AND EXPECTATIONS ARE MUCH HIGHER.
PEOPLE THINK THAT HISPANIC HOTE EXPECTATIONS ARE MUCH HIGHER.
PEOPLE THINK THAT HISPANIC HOTE -- VOTERS, ASIAN VOTERS ARE OWED PEOPLE THINK THAT HISPANIC HOTE -- VOTERS, ASIAN VOTERS ARE OWED MUCH MORE.
-- VOTERS, ASIAN VOTERS ARE OWED MUCH MORE.
GWEN: FINAL THOUGHTS?
MUCH MORE.
GWEN: FINAL THOUGHTS?
>> LEGALLY HE CAN DO IT.
GWEN: FINAL THOUGHTS?
>> LEGALLY HE CAN DO IT.
THE QUESTION IS WHAT DID THE >> LEGALLY HE CAN DO IT.
THE QUESTION IS WHAT DID THE ELECT RESULTS SHOW HIM?
THE QUESTION IS WHAT DID THE ELECT RESULTS SHOW HIM?
DOES IT COMPEL HIM TO DO MORE OR ELECT RESULTS SHOW HIM?
DOES IT COMPEL HIM TO DO MORE OR LESS?
DOES IT COMPEL HIM TO DO MORE OR LESS?
GWEN: LET'S PUT MONEY ON WHICH LESS?
GWEN: LET'S PUT MONEY ON WHICH HOLIDAY IT WILL BE.
GWEN: LET'S PUT MONEY ON WHICH HOLIDAY IT WILL BE.
MAYBE YOM KIPPUR.
HOLIDAY IT WILL BE.
MAYBE YOM KIPPUR.
THAT'S SOONEST.
MAYBE YOM KIPPUR.
THAT'S SOONEST.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME THAT'S SOONEST.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM!
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM!
GWEN: THANKS, EVERYONE.
FROM!
GWEN: THANKS, EVERYONE.
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