GWEN: AN AMERICAN CITIZEN EXECUTED BY A TERRORIST.O TO EXECUTED BY A TERRORIST.O TO STOP THEM?
STOP THEM?
AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL STEPS AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL STEPS IN IN FERGUSON, MISSOURI.
IN IN FERGUSON, MISSOURI.
TONIGHT, ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
TONIGHT, ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
>> ISIL SPEAKS FOR NO RELIGION.
>> ISIL SPEAKS FOR NO RELIGION.
NO JUST GOD WOULD STAND FOR NO JUST GOD WOULD STAND FOR WHAT THEY DID YESTERDAY AND WHAT THEY DID YESTERDAY AND WHAT THEY DO EVERY SINGLE DAY.
WHAT THEY DO EVERY SINGLE DAY.
>> OH, THIS IS BEYOND ANYTHING >> OH, THIS IS BEYOND ANYTHING THAT WE'VE SEEN.
THAT WE'VE SEEN.
SO WE MUST PREPARE FOR SO WE MUST PREPARE FOR EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING.
GWEN: A SHOCKING ACT TAKES THE GWEN: A SHOCKING ACT TAKES THE LIFE OF AN AMERICAN HOSTAGE.
LIFE OF AN AMERICAN HOSTAGE.
THE ALARMING RISE OF A TERROR THE ALARMING RISE OF A TERROR GROUP.
GROUP.
AND MOURNING AT HOME.
AND MOURNING AT HOME.
HE WAS COURAGEOUS, FEARLESS HE WAS COURAGEOUS, FEARLESS JOURNALIST.
JOURNALIST.
VERY COMPASSIONATE AMERICAN.
VERY COMPASSIONATE AMERICAN.
I MEAN, BEST OF AMERICA.
I MEAN, BEST OF AMERICA.
GWEN: WHAT NEXT?
GWEN: WHAT NEXT?
AND FERGUSON, WEEK TWO.
AND FERGUSON, WEEK TWO.
THE VIOLENCE FADES BUT THE THE VIOLENCE FADES BUT THE ANGER DOES NOT.
ANGER DOES NOT.
>> THERE IS A HISTORY TO THESE >> THERE IS A HISTORY TO THESE TENSIONS AND THAT HISTORY TENSIONS AND THAT HISTORY SIMMERS IN MORE COMMUNITIES SIMMERS IN MORE COMMUNITIES THAN JUST FERGUSON.
THAN JUST FERGUSON.
GWEN: PLUS TEXAS POLITICS.
GWEN: PLUS TEXAS POLITICS.
AN INDICTED GOVERNOR BATTLES AN INDICTED GOVERNOR BATTLES BACK.
BACK.
>> I'M GOING TO FIGHT THIS >> I'M GOING TO FIGHT THIS INJUSTICE WITH EVERY FIBER OF INJUSTICE WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING.
MY BEING.
AND WE WILL PREVAIL.
AND WE WILL PREVAIL.
GWEN: WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON IN GWEN: WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON IN AUSTIN?
AUSTIN?
THE REPORTERS COVERING THE THE REPORTERS COVERING THE NANCY YOUSSEF, NATIONAL NANCY YOUSSEF, NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT FROM SECURITY CORRESPONDENT FROM MCCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS, PIERRE MCCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS, PIERRE THOMAS, SENIOR JUSTICE THOMAS, SENIOR JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT FOR ABC NEWS, AND CORRESPONDENT FOR ABC NEWS, AND AMY WALTER, NATIONAL EDITOR OF AMY WALTER, NATIONAL EDITOR OF THE COOK POLITICAL REPORT.
THE COOK POLITICAL REPORT.
AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS COVERING HISTORY AS IT ANALYSIS COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.
HAPPENS.
LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH GWEN IFILL."
ONCE AGAIN LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
WHETHER IT'S THE PLIGHT OF THE WHETHER IT'S THE PLIGHT OF THE AZIDES OR THE FACE OF A LONE AZIDES OR THE FACE OF A LONE AMERICAN JOURNALIST THE THREAT AMERICAN JOURNALIST THE THREAT POSED BY THE GROUP KNOWN AS POSED BY THE GROUP KNOWN AS ISIS, ISIL OR ISLAMIC STATE ISIS, ISIL OR ISLAMIC STATE GROUP HAS BECOME ALARMINGLY GROUP HAS BECOME ALARMINGLY REAL.
REAL.
>> THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT >> THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS AN APOCALYPTIC END OF DAYS HAS AN APOCALYPTIC END OF DAYS STRATEGIC VISION.
STRATEGIC VISION.
AND WHICH WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE AND WHICH WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE TO BE DEFEATED.
TO BE DEFEATED.
>> WE STAND READY TO TAKE >> WE STAND READY TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THAT THREAT.
ACTION AGAINST THAT THREAT.
AND WE MADE CLEAR TIME AND AND WE MADE CLEAR TIME AND AGAIN IF YOU COME AFTER AGAIN IF YOU COME AFTER AMERICANS WE WILL COME AFTER AMERICANS WE WILL COME AFTER YOU WHEREVER YOU ARE AND THAT YOU WHEREVER YOU ARE AND THAT WILL GUIDE OUR PLANNING IN THE WILL GUIDE OUR PLANNING IN THE DAYS TO COME.
DAYS TO COME.
GWEN: IN THE WAKE OF JAMES GWEN: IN THE WAKE OF JAMES FOLEY'S EXECUTION AND THE FOLEY'S EXECUTION AND THE THREAT OF ANOTHER, IS THE OBAMA THREAT OF ANOTHER, IS THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION PREPARING FOR ADMINISTRATION PREPARING FOR MILITARY INTERVENTION AT THIS MILITARY INTERVENTION AT THIS POINT, NANCY?
POINT, NANCY?
>> WELL, THIS WEEK, WE STARTED >> WELL, THIS WEEK, WE STARTED TO HEAR INCREASING SIGNS OF TO HEAR INCREASING SIGNS OF THAT.
THAT.
BEN RHODES SUGGESTED THAT THE BEN RHODES SUGGESTED THAT THE UNITED STATES WILL NOT BE UNITED STATES WILL NOT BE STOPPED BY THE BORDER BETWEEN STOPPED BY THE BORDER BETWEEN SYRIA AND IRAQ.
SYRIA AND IRAQ.
MARTY DEMPSEY CHAIRMAN OF THE MARTY DEMPSEY CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF SAID THAT JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF SAID THAT THE THREAT THAT ISIS POSES THE THREAT THAT ISIS POSES CANNOT BE STOPPED UNLESS YOU CANNOT BE STOPPED UNLESS YOU ADDRESS THEIR SANCTUARY IN ADDRESS THEIR SANCTUARY IN SYRIA.
SYRIA.
THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT KIND THE QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT KIND OF ACTION WILL THE UNITED OF ACTION WILL THE UNITED STATES TAKE?
STATES TAKE?
AND WOULD IT BE ENOUGH TO STOP AND WOULD IT BE ENOUGH TO STOP THE THREAT OR SIMPLY TO CONTAIN THE THREAT OR SIMPLY TO CONTAIN IT FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME?
IT FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME?
WILL THE UNITED STATES GO AFTER WILL THE UNITED STATES GO AFTER THEIR SANCTUARIES OR WILL IT GO THEIR SANCTUARIES OR WILL IT GO AFTER ITS LEADERSHIP?
AFTER ITS LEADERSHIP?
THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
KE THAT ON TO THIS WHETHER THE KE THAT ON TO THIS WHETHER THE BOLD ACTION OF GOING INTO BOLD ACTION OF GOING INTO SYRIA.
SYRIA.
IN IRAQ, THE UNITED STATES WAS IN IRAQ, THE UNITED STATES WAS INVITED IN.
INVITED IN.
IN SYRIA, IT WOULD BE VERY IN SYRIA, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT.
DIFFERENT.
THEY WOULD NOT BE INVITED IN.
THEY WOULD NOT BE INVITED IN.
GWEN: THE LANGUAGE THAT SEEMED GWEN: THE LANGUAGE THAT SEEMED MUCH MORE APOCALYPTIC THIS MUCH MORE APOCALYPTIC THIS WEEK.
WEEK.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE EXECUTION OF BECAUSE OF THE EXECUTION OF JAMES FOLEY OR BECAUSE THEY JAMES FOLEY OR BECAUSE THEY KNOW THINGS WE ARE JUST KNOW THINGS WE ARE JUST BEGINNING TO KNOW ABOUT HOW BEGINNING TO KNOW ABOUT HOW DANGEROUS THIS IS.
DANGEROUS THIS IS.
>> THIS HAS BEEN BUILDING OVER >> THIS HAS BEEN BUILDING OVER WEEKS NOW.
WEEKS NOW.
AND THE PRESIDENT REGRETS AND THE PRESIDENT REGRETS CALLING THEM THE J.V.
SQUAD CALLING THEM THE J.V.
SQUAD COMPARED TO QUADE.
COMPARED TO QUADE.
WE'VE SEEN THEM BEHEADING WE'VE SEEN THEM BEHEADING IRAQIS, SYRIANS AND WE'VE SEEN IRAQIS, SYRIANS AND WE'VE SEEN WHAT THEY DID TO THE AZIDES, WHAT THEY DID TO THE AZIDES, MERNT GROUP TRAPPED ON THE MERNT GROUP TRAPPED ON THE MOUNTAIN.
MOUNTAIN.
WE'VE SEEN ALL SORTS OF HORRORS WE'VE SEEN ALL SORTS OF HORRORS AND DRIVES IT HOME WHEN WE ARE AND DRIVES IT HOME WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN AMERICAN TALKING ABOUT AN AMERICAN JOURNALIST LIKE ALL OF US AT JOURNALIST LIKE ALL OF US AT THIS TABLE.
THIS TABLE.
AND I THINK THAT FOR A LOT OF AND I THINK THAT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT REALLY MADE VERY PEOPLE THAT REALLY MADE VERY PERSONAL AND THEY HAD TO TAKE A PERSONAL AND THEY HAD TO TAKE A STAND AGAINST THAT PLUS WITH STAND AGAINST THAT PLUS WITH THE THREAT AGAINST THE OTHER THE THREAT AGAINST THE OTHER AMERICAN JOURNALISTS WHO ARE AMERICAN JOURNALISTS WHO ARE BEING HELD.
BEING HELD.
AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T THINK AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE JUST DISCOVERING THAT THEY'RE JUST DISCOVERING IT NOW.
IT NOW.
I THINK MAYBE SOME OF THE I THINK MAYBE SOME OF THE PENNIES ARE DROPPING, THAT PENNIES ARE DROPPING, THAT THEY'RE REALIZING WOW, THIS IS THEY'RE REALIZING WOW, THIS IS A GROUP THAT'S LIKE NOTHING A GROUP THAT'S LIKE NOTHING WE'VE SEEN BEFORE.
WE'VE SEEN BEFORE.
PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THEY PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THEY CONTROL TERRITORY.
CONTROL TERRITORY.
THEY'RE ACTING NOT JUST LIKE, THEY'RE ACTING NOT JUST LIKE, DIFFERENT MILITANTS IN THE DIFFERENT MILITANTS IN THE WILDERNESS, THEY'RE CONTROLLING WILDERNESS, THEY'RE CONTROLLING A LARGE PART OF SYRIA AND A A LARGE PART OF SYRIA AND A LARGE PART OF IRAQ AND LARGE PART OF IRAQ AND COLLECTING TAXES.
COLLECTING TAXES.
THEY'RE EXTORTING MONEY AND THEY'RE EXTORTING MONEY AND RUNNING GAS STATIONS, OIL RUNNING GAS STATIONS, OIL WELLS.
WELLS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A REALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A REALLY SERIOUS PROBLEM.
SERIOUS PROBLEM.
>> GET TO THE POINT >> GET TO THE POINT WHERE THIS GROUP COULD TAKE WHERE THIS GROUP COULD TAKE PROPERTY?
PROPERTY?
TAKE LAND?
TAKE LAND?
AND AMASS ALL THIS POWER?
AND AMASS ALL THIS POWER?
>> THIS IS A GROUP THAT'S ACTED >> THIS IS A GROUP THAT'S ACTED ON ONE HAND LIKE A MILITARY.
ON ONE HAND LIKE A MILITARY.
AND ADVANCED LIKE A MILITARY AND ADVANCED LIKE A MILITARY AND WE'VE HEARD WILD NUMBERS AND WE'VE HEARD WILD NUMBERS HOW MUCH THEY MIGHT CONTROL IN HOW MUCH THEY MIGHT CONTROL IN RESOURCES AND PERHAPS AS MUCH RESOURCES AND PERHAPS AS MUCH AS $2 BILLION.
AS $2 BILLION.
THOSE NUMBERS MAY BE THOSE NUMBERS MAY BE EXAGGERATED.
EXAGGERATED.
AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS GOOD AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS GOOD REASON TO THINK THEY'RE MAKING REASON TO THINK THEY'RE MAKING AT LEAST $1 MILLION A DAY ON AT LEAST $1 MILLION A DAY ON THE OIL.
THE OIL.
THEY'RE SELLING, I THINK THEY THEY'RE SELLING, I THINK THEY GOT THERE BY USING MILITARY GOT THERE BY USING MILITARY TACTICS AND NOW THEY'RE TRYING TACTICS AND NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO RULE THROUGH FEAR AND TO RULE THROUGH FEAR AND EXTORTION.
EXTORTION.
GWEN: WHAT SOME OF US LEARNED GWEN: WHAT SOME OF US LEARNED THIS WEEK AND FOR THOSE WHO THIS WEEK AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE A STOMACH TO WATCH THAT HAVE A STOMACH TO WATCH THAT EXECUTION TAPE IS THE VOICE OF EXECUTION TAPE IS THE VOICE OF THE EXECUTIONER WAS BRITISH.
THE EXECUTIONER WAS BRITISH.
AND THEREFORE THESE ISIL AND THEREFORE THESE ISIL ACTIVISTS OR TERRORISTS ARE NOT ACTIVISTS OR TERRORISTS ARE NOT JUST HOME GROWN.
JUST HOME GROWN.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
WHEN YOU HEAR THE WHEN YOU HEAR THE ADMINISTRATION TALKING ABOUT AN ADMINISTRATION TALKING ABOUT AN IMMINENT THREAT THE ONE THEY'RE IMMINENT THREAT THE ONE THEY'RE REFERRING TO IS A LOT OF THOSE REFERRING TO IS A LOT OF THOSE WHO ARE PARTICIPATING HOLD WHO ARE PARTICIPATING HOLD WESTERN PASSPORTS AND HAVE WESTERN PASSPORTS AND HAVE ACCESS TO THE UNITED STATES.
ACCESS TO THE UNITED STATES.
AND TO EUROPE.
AND TO EUROPE.
AND THERE'S NO WAY TO CONTROL AND THERE'S NO WAY TO CONTROL -- AND ONCE THEY'RE HERE, WHAT -- AND ONCE THEY'RE HERE, WHAT TACTICS COULD THEY BRING TO THE TACTICS COULD THEY BRING TO THE HOMELAND AND POSE TO AS A HOMELAND AND POSE TO AS A THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES, TO THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES, TO AMERICAN CITIZENS?
AMERICAN CITIZENS?
SO THAT BECOMES THE MOST SO THAT BECOMES THE MOST IMMEDIATE, IMMINENT THREAT.
IMMEDIATE, IMMINENT THREAT.
I THINK FOR THOSE OF US WHO I THINK FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN TO THE REGION HAVE BEEN TO THE REGION SHOCKING IN THE SENSE THAT SHOCKING IN THE SENSE THAT SOMEBODY WHO'S GROWN UP IN THIS SOMEBODY WHO'S GROWN UP IN THIS COUNTRY OR IN EUROPE WOULD WANT COUNTRY OR IN EUROPE WOULD WANT TO GO OVERSEAS AND PICK UP TO GO OVERSEAS AND PICK UP TACTICS AND BRING THEM BACK.
TACTICS AND BRING THEM BACK.
BECAUSE UP UNTIL THIS, AL BECAUSE UP UNTIL THIS, AL QAEDA, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS SEEN AS QAEDA, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS SEEN AS A THREAT IN THE REGION.
A THREAT IN THE REGION.
BORNE OF PEOPLE OF THE REGION.
BORNE OF PEOPLE OF THE REGION.
AND WHAT ISIS HAS BROUGHT TO AND WHAT ISIS HAS BROUGHT TO THE FOREFRONT IS THE THREAT THE FOREFRONT IS THE THREAT THAT PEOPLE CAN POSE FROM THE THAT PEOPLE CAN POSE FROM THE HOMELAND.
HOMELAND.
>> I WANT TO GO TO THE IDEA >> I WANT TO GO TO THE IDEA ABOUT GOING TO SYRIA.
ABOUT GOING TO SYRIA.
WE'VE HEARD THE PRESIDENT SAY WE'VE HEARD THE PRESIDENT SAY TIME AND TIME AGAIN NO BOOTS ON TIME AND TIME AGAIN NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
THE GROUND.
WE'VE HEARD WORRIES ABOUT WE'VE HEARD WORRIES ABOUT MISSION CREEP.
MISSION CREEP.
HOW DO YOU SQUARE THAT WITH NO HOW DO YOU SQUARE THAT WITH NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND?
BOOTS ON THE GROUND?
>> WELL, THAT'S A VERY GOOD >> WELL, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
QUESTION.
THE DILEMMA FOR THE UNITED THE DILEMMA FOR THE UNITED STATES IS IT WANTS TO CONTAIN STATES IS IT WANTS TO CONTAIN THE THREAT OF ISIS BUT CAN'T BE THE THREAT OF ISIS BUT CAN'T BE DONE WITHOUT DEALING WITH DONE WITHOUT DEALING WITH SYRIA.
SYRIA.
ONE OF THE THINGS ARGUE BLIR ONE OF THE THINGS ARGUE BLIR THE UNITED STATES HAS TAKEN THE UNITED STATES HAS TAKEN AWAY FRAFT TWO WEEKS IS THAT IT AWAY FRAFT TWO WEEKS IS THAT IT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THWARTING THE ISIS THREATS ON THWARTING THE ISIS THREATS ON IRAQ AND THAT IT WAS ABLE, UP IRAQ AND THAT IT WAS ABLE, UP UNTIL TODAY, 93 STRIKES, UNTIL TODAY, 93 STRIKES, DESTROY SOME OF ITS WEAPONS, DESTROY SOME OF ITS WEAPONS, DESTROY SOME OF ITS TANKS AND DESTROY SOME OF ITS TANKS AND SOME OF THEM WHICH WERE SOME OF THEM WHICH WERE AMERICAN.
AMERICAN.
AND THAT THEY HAVE SEEN AN AND THAT THEY HAVE SEEN AN EFFECT THAT ISIS HAS BEEN EFFECT THAT ISIS HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK A BIT.
PUSHED BACK A BIT.
I THINK HAS BOOSTED THE I THINK HAS BOOSTED THE CONFIDENCE OF SOME THAT PERHAPS CONFIDENCE OF SOME THAT PERHAPS AIR STRIKES CAN HAVE SOME AIR STRIKES CAN HAVE SOME EFFECT IN SYRIA AS WELL.
EFFECT IN SYRIA AS WELL.
GWEN: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GWEN: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HOSTAGE SITUATION.
HOSTAGE SITUATION.
BECAUSE WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH JAMES FOLEY THIS WEEK.
WITH JAMES FOLEY THIS WEEK.
WE ALSO LEARNED THAT THERE HAD WE ALSO LEARNED THAT THERE HAD BEEN AN EFFORT THAT DID NOT BEEN AN EFFORT THAT DID NOT SUCCEED TO FREE THE HOSTAGES ON SUCCEED TO FREE THE HOSTAGES ON THE GROUND IN SYRIA.
THE GROUND IN SYRIA.
NOT JUST JAMES FOLEY BUT OTHERS NOT JUST JAMES FOLEY BUT OTHERS WE'RE JUST HEARING PUBLICLY WE'RE JUST HEARING PUBLICLY ABOUT.
ABOUT.
WHERE DOES THAT STAND?
WHERE DOES THAT STAND?
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH.
THAT IS REALLY INTERESTING.
THAT IS REALLY INTERESTING.
BECAUSE OF COURSE NORMALLY WE BECAUSE OF COURSE NORMALLY WE HEAR ABOUT THET HEAR ABOUT THET ZERO DARK 30 AND THE MISSION ZERO DARK 30 AND THE MISSION THAT'S BIN LADEN AND THAT'S BIN LADEN AND WHAT GETS PUBLICIZED.
WHAT GETS PUBLICIZED.
THE WHITE HOUSE FELT THEY HAD THE WHITE HOUSE FELT THEY HAD TO DISCLOSE THE OTHER DETAILS TO DISCLOSE THE OTHER DETAILS AND IT'S REALLY QUITE AND IT'S REALLY QUITE INTERESTING.
INTERESTING.
THEY USED SPECIAL FORCES FROM THEY USED SPECIAL FORCES FROM ALL DIFFERENT UNITS.
ALL DIFFERENT UNITS.
THEY ALSO USED FIXED WING THEY ALSO USED FIXED WING AIRCRAFT AND HELICOPTERS AND AIRCRAFT AND HELICOPTERS AND WENT IN THERE AND HAD WENT IN THERE AND HAD INFORMATION AS WE UNDERSTAND IT INFORMATION AS WE UNDERSTAND IT FROM ONE OF THE FORMER FROM ONE OF THE FORMER HOSTAGES.
HOSTAGES.
ABOUT WHERE EXACTLY THEY HAD ABOUT WHERE EXACTLY THEY HAD BEEN HELD AT THE TIME.
BEEN HELD AT THE TIME.
BUT WHEN THEY GOT THERE, LO AND BUT WHEN THEY GOT THERE, LO AND BEHOLD, THE HOSTAGES WERE NO BEHOLD, THE HOSTAGES WERE NO LONGER THERE.
LONGER THERE.
I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THIS REALLY POINTS UP TO THAT THIS REALLY POINTS UP TO US IS THE PROBLEM OF LACKING US IS THE PROBLEM OF LACKING HUMAN INTELLIGENCE.
HUMAN INTELLIGENCE.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE ON THE IF YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND, IF YOU'RE RELYING ON GROUND, IF YOU'RE RELYING ON WHAT A FORMER HOSTAGE IS WHAT A FORMER HOSTAGE IS TELLING YOU, IT'S REALLY HARD TELLING YOU, IT'S REALLY HARD TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL RESCUE TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL RESCUE MISSION.
MISSION.
I THINK IT'S QUITE INTERESTING I THINK IT'S QUITE INTERESTING HOW THIS BROUGHT UP A LOT OF HOW THIS BROUGHT UP A LOT OF QUESTIONS ALSO ABOUT HOW DO YOU QUESTIONS ALSO ABOUT HOW DO YOU RESCUE HOSTAGES?
RESCUE HOSTAGES?
AND THE REALLY CONTROVERSIAL AND THE REALLY CONTROVERSIAL QUESTION ABOUT PAYING RANSOM.
QUESTION ABOUT PAYING RANSOM.
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT EUROPEAN BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT EUROPEAN GOVERNMENTS WITH THE EXCEPTION GOVERNMENTS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE U.K. DO PAY RANSOMS AND OF THE U.K. DO PAY RANSOMS AND DO NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS.
DO NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS.
AND THE U.S. AND BRITAIN HAVE AND THE U.S. AND BRITAIN HAVE BOTH SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO BOTH SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ONLY GOING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ONLY GOING TO ENCOURAGE MORE HOSTAGES TO ENCOURAGE MORE HOSTAGES BEING TAKEN.
BEING TAKEN.
BUT LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO AN BUT LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO AN AMERICAN HOSTAGE WHO WASN'T AMERICAN HOSTAGE WHO WASN'T PAID FOR.
PAID FOR.
GWEN: AND WE HAVE HEARD THE GWEN: AND WE HAVE HEARD THE FAMILY OF JAMES FOLEY, HAVE FAMILY OF JAMES FOLEY, HAVE HEARD SOME -- ONE OF HIS HEARD SOME -- ONE OF HIS EMPLOYERS SAY THE U.S. COULD EMPLOYERS SAY THE U.S. COULD HAVE DONE MORE.
HAVE DONE MORE.
IS THAT A CONSTANT CONCERN IS THAT A CONSTANT CONCERN AMONG JOURNALISTS, AMONG THE AMONG JOURNALISTS, AMONG THE PATRONS OF JOURNALISTS WHO ARE PATRONS OF JOURNALISTS WHO ARE AT RISK THROUGHOUT THE REGION?
AT RISK THROUGHOUT THE REGION?
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT AMERICAN JOURNALISTS ABOUT AMERICAN JOURNALISTS HERE.
HERE.
MOST OF THE JOURNALISTS IN MOST OF THE JOURNALISTS IN SYRIA ARE ACTUALLY SYRIAN.
SYRIA ARE ACTUALLY SYRIAN.
>> IT IS.
>> IT IS.
SO IN THE CASE OF JAMES FOLEY, SO IN THE CASE OF JAMES FOLEY, HIS NEWSPAPER CAME OUT AND SAID HIS NEWSPAPER CAME OUT AND SAID THEY WERE CONTACTED BY HIS THEY WERE CONTACTED BY HIS KIDNAPPERS AT THE END OF THE KIDNAPPERS AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND ASKED FOR $132 YEAR AND ASKED FOR $132 MILLION.
MILLION.
AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT BY AND IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT BY APRIL OF THIS YEAR, SEVERAL APRIL OF THIS YEAR, SEVERAL FRENCH AND SPANIARDS WHO WERE FRENCH AND SPANIARDS WHO WERE BEING HELD ALONG WITH JAMES BEING HELD ALONG WITH JAMES FOLEY WERE RELEASED BECAUSE FOLEY WERE RELEASED BECAUSE RANSOMS WERE PAID.
RANSOMS WERE PAID.
THE FAMILY HAS SAID THAT THE THE FAMILY HAS SAID THAT THE THREAT, EXCUSE ME, THE OFFER THREAT, EXCUSE ME, THE OFFER WASN'T DEEMED SERIOUS.
WASN'T DEEMED SERIOUS.
THEY DIDN'T GET ANY REAL THEY DIDN'T GET ANY REAL FEEDBACK AND HARD TO KNOW FEEDBACK AND HARD TO KNOW WHETHER THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY WHETHER THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PAY A RANSOM AND DID NOT.
TO PAY A RANSOM AND DID NOT.
OR WHETHER THIS WAS A PLAY BY OR WHETHER THIS WAS A PLAY BY ISIS TO SUGGEST THAT THEY HAD ISIS TO SUGGEST THAT THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY ONLY TO SNATCH AN OPPORTUNITY ONLY TO SNATCH IT AWAY.
IT AWAY.
THE REALITY IS, AND I CAN TELL THE REALITY IS, AND I CAN TELL YOU HAVING BEEN OVERSEAS, YOU HAVING BEEN OVERSEAS, AMERICAN HOSTAGES ARE TREATED AMERICAN HOSTAGES ARE TREATED DIFFERENTLY.
DIFFERENTLY.
IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE THE IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE THE RANSOM THAT WE ARE SEEN AS RANSOM THAT WE ARE SEEN AS BIGGER TARGETS.
BIGGER TARGETS.
AND THOSE WHO STAYED WITH JAMES AND THOSE WHO STAYED WITH JAMES DURING HIS CAPTIVITY SAID THAT DURING HIS CAPTIVITY SAID THAT HE WAS TREATED DIFFERENTLY HE WAS TREATED DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE HE WAS AN AMERICAN.
BECAUSE HE WAS AN AMERICAN.
AND THEY THINK THAT THE OUTCOME AND THEY THINK THAT THE OUTCOME WAS AFFECTED BY THE FACT HE HAD WAS AFFECTED BY THE FACT HE HAD A PASSPORT.
A PASSPORT.
WHEN I'M OVERSEAS I'M VERY WHEN I'M OVERSEAS I'M VERY AWARE OF THE THREAT THAT COMES AWARE OF THE THREAT THAT COMES WITH BEING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN WITH BEING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN IN THESE ENVIRONMENTS.
IN THESE ENVIRONMENTS.
GWEN: I ALSO WONDER, THOUGH, GWEN: I ALSO WONDER, THOUGH, WHETHER THIS DOESN'T PUT A WHETHER THIS DOESN'T PUT A DAMPER ON THE ABILITY TO GET DAMPER ON THE ABILITY TO GET THE NEWS.
THE NEWS.
WE TALKED ABOUT HUMAN WE TALKED ABOUT HUMAN INTELLIGENCE.
INTELLIGENCE.
A FEW MOMENTS AGO.
A FEW MOMENTS AGO.
YOU BOTH HAVE BEEN OVERSEAS.
YOU BOTH HAVE BEEN OVERSEAS.
I WONDER IF THIS IS A HUGE I WONDER IF THIS IS A HUGE DISINCENTIVE, ESPECIALLY FOR DISINCENTIVE, ESPECIALLY FOR FREELANCERS?
FREELANCERS?
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A FREELANCER, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A FREELANCER, THERE'S NOT REALLY AN THERE'S NOT REALLY AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S SUPPORTING ORGANIZATION THAT'S SUPPORTING YOU.
YOU.
>> YOU PUT YOUR FINGER ON IT >> YOU PUT YOUR FINGER ON IT AND A LOT OF THESE CASES, A LOT AND A LOT OF THESE CASES, A LOT OF HOSTAGES THAT WE KNOW OF, WE OF HOSTAGES THAT WE KNOW OF, WE KNOW OF ABOUT 20 JOURNALISTS KNOW OF ABOUT 20 JOURNALISTS BEING HELD SOMEWHERE IN SYRIA BEING HELD SOMEWHERE IN SYRIA OR IN IRAQ.
OR IN IRAQ.
WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW.
MANY OF THEM ARE IN FACT MANY OF THEM ARE IN FACT FREELANCERS.
FREELANCERS.
AND THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU AND THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A BIG NEWS DON'T HAVE A BIG NEWS ORGANIZATION BEHIND YOU, ORGANIZATION BEHIND YOU, BANKROLLING A SEARCH FOR YOU, BANKROLLING A SEARCH FOR YOU, EVEN IF IT'S NOT A RANSOM EVEN IF IT'S NOT A RANSOM REQUEST, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
REQUEST, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
AND I THINK IT REALLY SHOWS AND I THINK IT REALLY SHOWS THAT THERE IS AN INCREASING THAT THERE IS AN INCREASING VULNERABILITY FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
VULNERABILITY FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
>> YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST ADD >> YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST ADD TO THAT.
TO THAT.
I STARTED DOING THIS IN 2003.
I STARTED DOING THIS IN 2003.
THE REALITY IS THAT THE RISKS THE REALITY IS THAT THE RISKS ARE HIGHER AND HIGHER AS THE ARE HIGHER AND HIGHER AS THE MARGIN OF ERROR IS SMALLER AND MARGIN OF ERROR IS SMALLER AND SMALLER.
SMALLER.
AND THE CONSEQUENCES ARE BIGGER AND THE CONSEQUENCES ARE BIGGER AND BIGGER.
AND BIGGER.
THAT THE SMALLEST MISTAKE CAN THAT THE SMALLEST MISTAKE CAN LEAD TO THE MOST DIRE OF LEAD TO THE MOST DIRE OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
CIRCUMSTANCES.
THERE ARE PEOPLE BEING HELD IN THERE ARE PEOPLE BEING HELD IN SYRIA BECAUSE THEY STAYED TOO SYRIA BECAUSE THEY STAYED TOO LONG.
LONG.
THERE ARE PEOPLE HELD IN SYRIA THERE ARE PEOPLE HELD IN SYRIA BECAUSE THEY TRUSTED THE WRONG BECAUSE THEY TRUSTED THE WRONG PERSON AND HAVE BEEN HELD FOR PERSON AND HAVE BEEN HELD FOR YEARS.
YEARS.
SOMETHING INCONCEIVABLE WHEN I SOMETHING INCONCEIVABLE WHEN I STARTED THIS IN THE EARLY DAYS STARTED THIS IN THE EARLY DAYS OUT OF 9-11.
OUT OF 9-11.
SO THAT'S THE REAL LIRVING.
SO THAT'S THE REAL LIRVING.
COMPOUNDING THAT, YOU HAVE COMPOUNDING THAT, YOU HAVE FREELANCERS COMING IN WHO ARE FREELANCERS COMING IN WHO ARE YOUNGER AND DON'T HAVE THE YOUNGER AND DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND SUCH A THRILL EXPERIENCE AND SUCH A THRILL PEOPLE SEE WITH THE JOB AND IT PEOPLE SEE WITH THE JOB AND IT IS A THRILLING JOB.
IS A THRILLING JOB.
BUT THE RISKS ARE INCREASING BUT THE RISKS ARE INCREASING WITH EVERY YEAR WITH EVERY WITH EVERY YEAR WITH EVERY CONFLICT.
CONFLICT.
AND IT'S ONE OF THE FACTORS AND IT'S ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT THOSE WHO GO INTO THIS THAT THOSE WHO GO INTO THIS BUSINESS HAVE TO CONSIDER.
BUSINESS HAVE TO CONSIDER.
>> I WANT TO BRING YOU BACK TO >> I WANT TO BRING YOU BACK TO THE IDEA OF SYRIA AND ASSAD.
THE IDEA OF SYRIA AND ASSAD.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ONE OF THE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ONE OF THE BIG QUESTION MARKS OVER THE BIG QUESTION MARKS OVER THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS WHO OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IS WHO WHETHER OR NOT HE SHOULD HAVE WHETHER OR NOT HE SHOULD HAVE GONE INTO SYRIA AND CALLS FOR GONE INTO SYRIA AND CALLS FOR ASSAD TO STEP DOWN AND NOW ASSAD TO STEP DOWN AND NOW PERHAPS IN ORDER TO GET TO PERHAPS IN ORDER TO GET TO ISIL, ISIS, IT MAY BE REQUIRE ISIL, ISIS, IT MAY BE REQUIRE HIS COOPERATION.
HIS COOPERATION.
>> THIS IS REALLY AN INCREDIBLE >> THIS IS REALLY AN INCREDIBLE STORY BECAUSE IT COULD BE THE STORY BECAUSE IT COULD BE THE CHICKENS COMING HOME TO ROOST.
CHICKENS COMING HOME TO ROOST.
THREE YEARS AGO PRESIDENT ASSAD THREE YEARS AGO PRESIDENT ASSAD SAID DON'T FIGHT AGAINST ME SAID DON'T FIGHT AGAINST ME BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU THESE BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU THESE OPPOSITION PEOPLE, THEY'RE NOT OPPOSITION PEOPLE, THEY'RE NOT GOOD PEOPLE.
GOOD PEOPLE.
THEY'RE AL QAEDA TYPES.
THEY'RE AL QAEDA TYPES.
THEY'RE EXTREMISTS.
THEY'RE EXTREMISTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYTHING AND, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED IS SORT OF IN THAT HAS HAPPENED IS SORT OF IN A WAY WHAT HE LAID OUT.
A WAY WHAT HE LAID OUT.
I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THE U.S.
I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THE U.S.
DIDN'T WANT TO -- THEY WERE DIDN'T WANT TO -- THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT AIDING THE CONCERNED ABOUT AIDING THE OPPOSITION.
OPPOSITION.
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT WEAPONS TO GET INTO THE WRONG WEAPONS TO GET INTO THE WRONG HANDS.
HANDS.
NOW WE SEE WHAT HAPPENED.
NOW WE SEE WHAT HAPPENED.
THE WRONG HANDS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WRONG HANDS, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF THE TERRITORY THEY CONTROL.
THE TERRITORY THEY CONTROL.
I THINK, THOUGH, IT'S NOT FAIR I THINK, THOUGH, IT'S NOT FAIR TO SAY THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS TO SAY THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND.
MY FRIEND.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE U.S. PAIRING UP WITH SEE THE U.S. PAIRING UP WITH ASSAD TO FIGHT ISIL.
ASSAD TO FIGHT ISIL.
WE MAY BE FIGHTING THEM.
WE MAY BE FIGHTING THEM.
BUT I THINK THE U.S. IS VERY BUT I THINK THE U.S. IS VERY CAREFUL TO BLAME WHAT'S CAREFUL TO BLAME WHAT'S HAPPENED ON ASSAD AND THINK HAPPENED ON ASSAD AND THINK ABOUT IT'S THE SOVIET UNION ABOUT IT'S THE SOVIET UNION DURING W W DURING W W THEY WERE PART OF THE ALLIED THEY WERE PART OF THE ALLIED POWERS.
POWERS.
BUT THEY WEREN'T OUR FRIEND.
BUT THEY WEREN'T OUR FRIEND.
>> HERE'S THE CONUNDRUM.
>> HERE'S THE CONUNDRUM.
IF THE ISIL THREAT, IF ASSAD IF THE ISIL THREAT, IF ASSAD STAYS IN POWER, HE CAN SAY, I'M STAYS IN POWER, HE CAN SAY, I'M PUTTING OFF THIS ISIS THREAT.
PUTTING OFF THIS ISIS THREAT.
TO KEEP HIM IN POWER THERE MUST TO KEEP HIM IN POWER THERE MUST BE AN ISIS THREAT AND OTHERWISE BE AN ISIS THREAT AND OTHERWISE HE'S IN JEOPARDY AGAIN.
HE'S IN JEOPARDY AGAIN.
GWEN: THAT'S AMAZING.
GWEN: THAT'S AMAZING.
SO EITHER WAY IT'S A COMPLETE SO EITHER WAY IT'S A COMPLETE CIRCLE.
CIRCLE.
AND YOU END UP RIGHT WHERE YOU AND YOU END UP RIGHT WHERE YOU BEGAN.
BEGAN.
BAD THINGS YET TO HAPPEN.
BAD THINGS YET TO HAPPEN.
THANK YOU BOTH.
THANK YOU BOTH.
BACK HERE AT HOME, WE WATCHED BACK HERE AT HOME, WE WATCHED CAREFULLY AS THE UNREST IN CAREFULLY AS THE UNREST IN FERGUSON, MISSOURI, APPEARED TO FERGUSON, MISSOURI, APPEARED TO CALM DOWN.
CALM DOWN.
BUT FROM ALL APPEARANCES, THE BUT FROM ALL APPEARANCES, THE FEDERAL RESPONSE SEEMS TO BE FEDERAL RESPONSE SEEMS TO BE RAMPING UP.
RAMPING UP.
ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER PROMISED AS MUCH AFTER VISITING PROMISED AS MUCH AFTER VISITING WITH THE FAMILY OF MICHAEL WITH THE FAMILY OF MICHAEL BROWN ON WEDNESDAY.
BROWN ON WEDNESDAY.
>> I WANTED THEM TO KNOW THAT >> I WANTED THEM TO KNOW THAT WHILE SO MUCH ELSE MAY BE WHILE SO MUCH ELSE MAY BE UNCERTAIN, THIS ATTORNEY UNCERTAIN, THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THIS DEPARTMENT OF GENERAL AND THIS DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE STANDS WITH THE PEOPLE JUSTICE STANDS WITH THE PEOPLE OF FERGUSON.
OF FERGUSON.
OUR INVESTIGATION WILL BE FAIR.
OUR INVESTIGATION WILL BE FAIR.
IT WILL BE THOROUGH.
IT WILL BE THOROUGH.
AND IT WILL BE INDEPENDENT.
AND IT WILL BE INDEPENDENT.
GWEN: SO WHAT DOES THE FEDERAL GWEN: SO WHAT DOES THE FEDERAL RESPONSE LOOK LIKE TONIGHT, RESPONSE LOOK LIKE TONIGHT, PIERRE?
PIERRE?
>> WELL, THERE ARE AT LEAST 40 >> WELL, THERE ARE AT LEAST 40 F.B.I.
AGENTS WHO HAVE BEEN F.B.I.
AGENTS WHO HAVE BEEN CANVASERRING THE COMMUNITY.
CANVASERRING THE COMMUNITY.
THEY'VE DONE DOZENS AND DOZENS THEY'VE DONE DOZENS AND DOZENS OF INTERVIEWS.
OF INTERVIEWS.
ALSO THIS WEEK E. THE FEDERAL ALSO THIS WEEK E. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TOOK THE UNUSUAL GOVERNMENT TOOK THE UNUSUAL STEP OF DOING THEIR OWN AUTOPSY STEP OF DOING THEIR OWN AUTOPSY ON THE VICTIM'S BODY.
ON THE VICTIM'S BODY.
ALSO, THEY HAVE COMMUNITY ALSO, THEY HAVE COMMUNITY RESOURCE OFFICERS FROM THE RESOURCE OFFICERS FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WORKING IN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WORKING IN THE COMMUNITY TRYING TO WORK THE COMMUNITY TRYING TO WORK WITH COMMUNITY LEADERS TO CALM WITH COMMUNITY LEADERS TO CALM SOME OF THE TENSIONS THERE.
SOME OF THE TENSIONS THERE.
SO THIS IS AN ALL-OUT EFFORT BY SO THIS IS AN ALL-OUT EFFORT BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND THE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
ATTORNEY GENERAL.
GWEN: IS IT CREATING GWEN: IS IT CREATING EXPECTATIONS AMONG THE FOLKS IN EXPECTATIONS AMONG THE FOLKS IN FERGUSON THAT THERE IS -- THAT FERGUSON THAT THERE IS -- THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS RIDING TO THE RESCUE?
RIDING TO THE RESCUE?
>> WELL, DIFFICULT DAYS COULD >> WELL, DIFFICULT DAYS COULD BE AHEAD.
BE AHEAD.
BECAUSE THE FACT IS YOU HAVE A BECAUSE THE FACT IS YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT TRUST COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT TRUST LAW ENFORCEMENT.
LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THEY DO NOT TRUST THE POLICE.
THEY DO NOT TRUST THE POLICE.
AND BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL GOING, AND PROMISING THAT THERE GOING, AND PROMISING THAT THERE WOULD BE A THOROUGH WOULD BE A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION, THERE ARE SOME INVESTIGATION, THERE ARE SOME THAT WILL TAKE THAT AS -- THIS THAT WILL TAKE THAT AS -- THIS MEANS AUTOMATICALLY THERE WILL MEANS AUTOMATICALLY THERE WILL BE A PROSECUTION.
BE A PROSECUTION.
AUTOMATICALLY THAT THERE MIGHT AUTOMATICALLY THAT THERE MIGHT BE A CONVICTION.
BE A CONVICTION.
WHERE THE F.B.I.
INVESTIGATION WHERE THE F.B.I.
INVESTIGATION WILL GO WHERE THE FACTS TAKE WILL GO WHERE THE FACTS TAKE THEM.
THEM.
AND THE FACTS MAY NOT TAKE THEM AND THE FACTS MAY NOT TAKE THEM WHERE SOME OF THE PEOPLE EXPECT WHERE SOME OF THE PEOPLE EXPECT THEM TO TAKE THEM.
THEM TO TAKE THEM.
SO YOU COULD HAVE A SITUATION SO YOU COULD HAVE A SITUATION WHERE TENSIONS RUN HIGH AGAIN WHERE TENSIONS RUN HIGH AGAIN BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T GET THE BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T GET THE RESULTS THEY WANT.
RESULTS THEY WANT.
>> PIERRE, I WANT TO ASK YOU >> PIERRE, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT IT IS ABOUT FERGUSON ABOUT WHAT IT IS ABOUT FERGUSON THAT MADE ALL OF THIS HAPPEN THAT MADE ALL OF THIS HAPPEN COMPARED TO MANY OTHER CITIES COMPARED TO MANY OTHER CITIES IN AMERICA WHERE WE'VE HAD IN AMERICA WHERE WE'VE HAD SIMILAR CASES OF YOUNG BLACK SIMILAR CASES OF YOUNG BLACK MEN BEING SHOT BY THE POLICE?
MEN BEING SHOT BY THE POLICE?
WHY DID THIS TAKE OFF IN THIS WHY DID THIS TAKE OFF IN THIS WAY?
WAY?
>> I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU TWO >> I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU TWO NUMBERS THAT WILL TELL YOU A NUMBERS THAT WILL TELL YOU A LOT.
LOT.
OVER THE YEARS, FERGUSON BECAME OVER THE YEARS, FERGUSON BECAME A PREDOMINANTLY A PREDOMINANTLY AFRICAN-AMERICAN TOWN.
AFRICAN-AMERICAN TOWN.
67% OF THE POPULATION ROUGHLY 67% OF THE POPULATION ROUGHLY AFRICAN-AMERICAN.
AFRICAN-AMERICAN.
58 OR SO LAW ENFORCEMENT 58 OR SO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THREE ARE OFFICERS, THREE ARE AFRICAN-AMERICAN.
AFRICAN-AMERICAN.
SOW 85% OF THE ARRESTS INVOLVE SOW 85% OF THE ARRESTS INVOLVE PEOPLE OF COLOR SO THE IMAGERY PEOPLE OF COLOR SO THE IMAGERY OF WHITE COPS LOCKING UP BLACK OF WHITE COPS LOCKING UP BLACK PEOPLE.
PEOPLE.
AND SO THAT -- THE TENSIONS AND SO THAT -- THE TENSIONS HAVE BEEN SIMMERING BECAUSE HAVE BEEN SIMMERING BECAUSE THAT'S THE FEELING THAT MANY THAT'S THE FEELING THAT MANY AFRICAN-AMERICANS HAD THAT THEY AFRICAN-AMERICANS HAD THAT THEY WERE UNDER SIEGE, OCCUPIED BY A WERE UNDER SIEGE, OCCUPIED BY A FORCE.
FORCE.
>> PIERRE, FOR THE PAST FEW >> PIERRE, FOR THE PAST FEW DAYS, WE'VE SEEN RELATIVE DAYS, WE'VE SEEN RELATIVE STABILITY IN FERGUSON.
STABILITY IN FERGUSON.
WHAT DOES THAT PORTEND FOR THE WHAT DOES THAT PORTEND FOR THE WEEK AHEAD AND WHAT OTHER WEEK AHEAD AND WHAT OTHER THINGS SHOULD WE BE LOOKING THINGS SHOULD WE BE LOOKING FOR?
FOR?
>> THE FUNERAL IS COMING UP IN >> THE FUNERAL IS COMING UP IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.
THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.
AGAIN, THAT WILL BE EMOTIONAL.
AGAIN, THAT WILL BE EMOTIONAL.
THIS YOUNG MAN WAS SO YOUNG.
THIS YOUNG MAN WAS SO YOUNG.
LIFE JUST AHEAD OF HIM.
LIFE JUST AHEAD OF HIM.
SO WE HAVE THAT TO DEAL WITH.
SO WE HAVE THAT TO DEAL WITH.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S COMING THE OTHER THING THAT'S COMING UP IS THAT THIS INVESTIGATION, UP IS THAT THIS INVESTIGATION, BOTH BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BOTH BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND YOU HAVE A STATE AND YOU HAVE A STATE INVESTIGATION GOING ON, IS INVESTIGATION GOING ON, IS GOING ON AS WELL, MAY TAKE SOME GOING ON AS WELL, MAY TAKE SOME TIME.
TIME.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO RELY ON YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO RELY ON WITNESS TESTIMONY AND LAW WITNESS TESTIMONY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS WILL HAVE ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS WILL HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THE TO SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THE WITNESS TESTIMONY AND MAKE SOME WITNESS TESTIMONY AND MAKE SOME KIND OF DECISION WAS EXCESSIVE KIND OF DECISION WAS EXCESSIVE FORCE OR DID THE YOUNG MAN FORCE OR DID THE YOUNG MAN ATTACK THE POLICE OFFICER?
ATTACK THE POLICE OFFICER?
THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE DETERMINED.
DETERMINED.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOME KIND AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOME KIND OF EVIDENCE THAT'S CONCRETE OF EVIDENCE THAT'S CONCRETE LIKE VIDEO, THAT WILL SHOW THE LIKE VIDEO, THAT WILL SHOW THE COMMUNITY AND THE WORLD IF YOU COMMUNITY AND THE WORLD IF YOU WILL WHAT HAPPENED, YOU CAN WILL WHAT HAPPENED, YOU CAN HAVE A SITUATION OF THEY SAID HAVE A SITUATION OF THEY SAID AND THE POLICE SAID.
AND THE POLICE SAID.
>> PIERRE, HOW MUCH CAN THE >> PIERRE, HOW MUCH CAN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REALLY DO OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REALLY DO OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY IN FERGUSON LOCAL COMMUNITY IN FERGUSON ULTIMATELY IS GOING TO BE ULTIMATELY IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FIXING?
RESPONSIBLE FOR FIXING?
GWEN: THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, THAT GWEN: THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, THAT DOESN'T TRUST THE LOCAL LAW DOESN'T TRUST THE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT?
ENFORCEMENT?
>> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY.
>> TWO THINGS.
>> TWO THINGS.
THE F.B.I.
WILL GET AS MANY THE F.B.I.
WILL GET AS MANY FACTS AS THEY CAN GET.
FACTS AS THEY CAN GET.
SO AT SOME POINT, A REPORT IS SO AT SOME POINT, A REPORT IS GOING TO GO TO THE ATTORNEY GOING TO GO TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S DESK AND THAT WILL GENERAL'S DESK AND THAT WILL SAY WE BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED.
SAY WE BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED.
AND SO THAT WILL BE PUT OUT AND AND SO THAT WILL BE PUT OUT AND MADE PUBLIC TO THE CITIZENS OF MADE PUBLIC TO THE CITIZENS OF FERGUSON.
FERGUSON.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE BUT AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME.
TIME.
AND HOW MUCH PATIENCE DOES A AND HOW MUCH PATIENCE DOES A COMMUNITY HAVE?
COMMUNITY HAVE?
THINK ABOUT THE ZIMMERMAN CASE.
THINK ABOUT THE ZIMMERMAN CASE.
INVOLVING TRAYVON MARTIN.
INVOLVING TRAYVON MARTIN.
THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SAID THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO A THEY WERE GOING TO DO A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION OF THAT.
THOROUGH INVESTIGATION OF THAT.
BY ALL ACCOUNTS THEY HAVE BEEN.
BY ALL ACCOUNTS THEY HAVE BEEN.
BUT THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE BUT THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE RESULTS WE STILL DON'T HAVE.
RESULTS WE STILL DON'T HAVE.
GWEN: I THINK ABOUT THE RODNEY GWEN: I THINK ABOUT THE RODNEY KING CASE WHICH THEY HAD -- KING CASE WHICH THEY HAD -- THEY ENDED UP HAVING TO BRING A THEY ENDED UP HAVING TO BRING A FEDERAL INDICTMENT OR A FEDERAL FEDERAL INDICTMENT OR A FEDERAL PROSECUTION SEPARATELY FROM THE PROSECUTION SEPARATELY FROM THE LOCAL PROSECUTION BECAUSE THAT LOCAL PROSECUTION BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T TURN OUT THE WAY PEOPLE DIDN'T TURN OUT THE WAY PEOPLE EXPECTED.
EXPECTED.
AND IN THIS CASE, THEY DON'T AND IN THIS CASE, THEY DON'T TRUST THE LOCAL STATE TRUST THE LOCAL STATE PROSECUTOR.
PROSECUTOR.
>> CORRECT.
>> CORRECT.
GWEN: THAT'S HOVERING OVER GWEN: THAT'S HOVERING OVER THIS.
THIS.
DOES -- WHAT DOES THE ATTORNEY DOES -- WHAT DOES THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DO IN THAT CASE?
GENERAL DO IN THAT CASE?
DOES HE HAVE TO KEEP HANDS OFF DOES HE HAVE TO KEEP HANDS OFF AND STAY OUT OF IT?
AND STAY OUT OF IT?
>> WELL, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY >> WELL, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY HE LAUNCHED A FEDERAL PROBE IS HE LAUNCHED A FEDERAL PROBE IS TO SAY SEPARATE AND APART FROM TO SAY SEPARATE AND APART FROM WHAT THE LOCAL PROSECUTOR, WE WHAT THE LOCAL PROSECUTOR, WE ARE GOING TO DO OUR OWN ARE GOING TO DO OUR OWN INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION.
SO I'M TELLING YOU PEOPLE OF SO I'M TELLING YOU PEOPLE OF FERGUSON, WE DON'T -- WE'RE NOT FERGUSON, WE DON'T -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO FOCUS ON WHAT HE'S GOING TO FOCUS ON WHAT HE'S DOING.
DOING.
SO YOU CAN TRUST US THAT WE'RE SO YOU CAN TRUST US THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE THOROUGH.
GOING TO BE THOROUGH.
BECAUSE CLEARLY, THEY DON'T BECAUSE CLEARLY, THEY DON'T TRUST THE LOCAL PROSECUTOR TO TRUST THE LOCAL PROSECUTOR TO BE THOROUGH.
BE THOROUGH.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAY COME ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAY COME OUT OF THIS CASE IS THAT YOU'RE OUT OF THIS CASE IS THAT YOU'RE HEARING MORE AND MORE ABOUT HEARING MORE AND MORE ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE IN THE FUTURE WHAT CAN BE DONE IN THE FUTURE TO CALM THESE KINDS OF TENSIONS TO CALM THESE KINDS OF TENSIONS WHEN PEOPLE DON'T TRUST EACH WHEN PEOPLE DON'T TRUST EACH OTHER?
OTHER?
CINCINNATI HAS A SIMILAR CINCINNATI HAS A SIMILAR SITUATION A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE SITUATION A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE A NUMBER OF UNARMED BLACK MEN A NUMBER OF UNARMED BLACK MEN HAD BEEN SHOT BY POLICE.
HAD BEEN SHOT BY POLICE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID IS THAT THEY STARTED HAVING IS THAT THEY STARTED HAVING MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
COMMUNITY.
THEY DEVELOPED ADVISORY BOARDS.
THEY DEVELOPED ADVISORY BOARDS.
AND THEY USED TECHNOLOGY, COP AND THEY USED TECHNOLOGY, COP CAMS, BASICALLY CAMERAS ON THE CAMS, BASICALLY CAMERAS ON THE HELMETS OF THE OFFICERS.
HELMETS OF THE OFFICERS.
SO THAT THE FACTS ALWAYS ARE -- SO THAT THE FACTS ALWAYS ARE -- GWEN: GWEN: SO ANY TIME A TENSE SITUATION, SO ANY TIME A TENSE SITUATION, THEY WOULD ROLL OUT THAT TAPE, THEY WOULD ROLL OUT THAT TAPE, AND SHOW THE COMMUNITY, HERE'S AND SHOW THE COMMUNITY, HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED.
WHAT HAPPENED.
GWEN: AND WE CERTAINLY WISH WE GWEN: AND WE CERTAINLY WISH WE HAD TAPE IN THIS CASE.
HAD TAPE IN THIS CASE.
THANKS, PIERRE.
THANKS, PIERRE.
JUST AS WE WERE GOING OFF THE JUST AS WE WERE GOING OFF THE WEAR LAST FRIDAY, A DRAMATIC WEAR LAST FRIDAY, A DRAMATIC HEADLINE CROSSED THE NEWS HEADLINE CROSSED THE NEWS WIRES.
WIRES.
TEXAS REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR RICK TEXAS REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR RICK PERRY HAD BEEN INDICTED FOR PERRY HAD BEEN INDICTED FOR ALLEGEDLY ABUSING HIS ALLEGEDLY ABUSING HIS AUTHORITY.
AUTHORITY.
PERRY WHO APPEARS TO BE PERRY WHO APPEARS TO BE READYING HIMSELF FOR ANOTHER READYING HIMSELF FOR ANOTHER RUN FOR PRESIDENT MORE OR LESS RUN FOR PRESIDENT MORE OR LESS SHRUGGED IT OFF TRAVELING TO SHRUGGED IT OFF TRAVELING TO D. ANDC.
NEW HAMPSHIRE FOR D. ANDC.
NEW HAMPSHIRE FOR SPEECHES AS SCHEDULED.
SPEECHES AS SCHEDULED.
HE'S POSING AT AN ICE CREAM HE'S POSING AT AN ICE CREAM STAND AFTER TAKING WHAT IS THE STAND AFTER TAKING WHAT IS THE BEST LOOKING MUG SHOT PICTURE BEST LOOKING MUG SHOT PICTURE IN HISTORY.
IN HISTORY.
SO DOES HE HAVE SOMETHING TO SO DOES HE HAVE SOMETHING TO WORRY ABOUT OR IS THIS ALL JUST WORRY ABOUT OR IS THIS ALL JUST TEXAS POLITICS?
TEXAS POLITICS?
>> I WISH MY DRIVER'S LICENSE >> I WISH MY DRIVER'S LICENSE LOOKED THAT GOOD.
LOOKED THAT GOOD.
GWEN: MINE, TOO.
GWEN: MINE, TOO.
>> MINE IS TERRIBLE.
>> MINE IS TERRIBLE.
IF YOU'RE RICK PERRY WHAT YOU IF YOU'RE RICK PERRY WHAT YOU WILL HEAR FROM THE RICK PERRY WILL HEAR FROM THE RICK PERRY PERSONALLY AND FROM HIS TEAM IS PERSONALLY AND FROM HIS TEAM IS OF COURSE THIS IS ALL POLITICS.
OF COURSE THIS IS ALL POLITICS.
WHEN HE WAS UP IN NEW WHEN HE WAS UP IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, TODAY, HE SAID THE HAMPSHIRE, TODAY, HE SAID THE TRAVIS COUNTY GRAND JURY, WHICH TRAVIS COUNTY GRAND JURY, WHICH INDICTED HIM, THEY ARE THE BLEW INDICTED HIM, THEY ARE THE BLEW BARE IN THE TOE MATE -- THE BARE IN THE TOE MATE -- THE BLUEBERRY IN THE TOMATO SOUP.
BLUEBERRY IN THE TOMATO SOUP.
VERY BLUE DEMOCRATIC IN RED VERY BLUE DEMOCRATIC IN RED TEXAS.
TEXAS.
WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE.
THERE'S NO THERE THERE.
THERE'S NO THERE THERE.
GWEN: GOOD POINT.
GWEN: GOOD POINT.
>> THE POINT BEING THERE.
>> THE POINT BEING THERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THOUGH, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THOUGH, FROM JUST A LEGAL STANDPOINT, FROM JUST A LEGAL STANDPOINT, YOU SAY, WELL, AND POLITICAL YOU SAY, WELL, AND POLITICAL STANDPOINT, YOU SAY, FIRST OF STANDPOINT, YOU SAY, FIRST OF ALL, HE'S ONLY THE SECOND ALL, HE'S ONLY THE SECOND GOVERNOR WHO'S BEEN INDICTED IN GOVERNOR WHO'S BEEN INDICTED IN 100 YEARS.
100 YEARS.
SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S DONE LIGHTLY.
DONE LIGHTLY.
AND THAT AT ITS CORE, WHAT HE'S AND THAT AT ITS CORE, WHAT HE'S ACCUSED OF IS ABUSING THE ACCUSED OF IS ABUSING THE OFFICIAL CAPACITY AND COERCION OFFICIAL CAPACITY AND COERCION OF A PUBLIC SERVANT.
OF A PUBLIC SERVANT.
SO LET'S STEP BACK AND SAY WHAT SO LET'S STEP BACK AND SAY WHAT DID THEY ACCUSE HIM OF?
DID THEY ACCUSE HIM OF?
BACK IN 2013, THE TRAVIS COUNTY BACK IN 2013, THE TRAVIS COUNTY D.A., THIS IS AUSTIN, SHE'S A D.A., THIS IS AUSTIN, SHE'S A DEMOCRAT.
DEMOCRAT.
SHE WAS ARRESTED FOR DRUNK SHE WAS ARRESTED FOR DRUNK DRIVING.
DRIVING.
THERE IS VIDEO OF THIS.
THERE IS VIDEO OF THIS.
VERY POWERFUL VIDEO.
VERY POWERFUL VIDEO.
SHE IS NOT JUST A LITTLE BIT SHE IS NOT JUST A LITTLE BIT TIPSY.
TIPSY.
SHE IS THREE TIMES THE LEGAL SHE IS THREE TIMES THE LEGAL LIMIT.
LIMIT.
SHE'S BELLIGERENT WITH THE SHE'S BELLIGERENT WITH THE OFFICERS.
OFFICERS.
HE SAYS TO HER, YOU WILL RESIGN HE SAYS TO HER, YOU WILL RESIGN YOUR OFFICE.
YOUR OFFICE.
SHE SAYS I WILL NOT.
SHE SAYS I WILL NOT.
HE SAYS WE'RE GOING TO CUT OFF HE SAYS WE'RE GOING TO CUT OFF FUNDING TO THE D.A.
'S PUBLIC FUNDING TO THE D.A.
'S PUBLIC INTEGRITY OFFICE.
INTEGRITY OFFICE.
SHE SAYS I'M NOT RESIGNING.
SHE SAYS I'M NOT RESIGNING.
HE GOES AHEAD AND VETOS IT.
HE GOES AHEAD AND VETOS IT.
THE GRAND JURY SAID WELL, THE GRAND JURY SAID WELL, THAT'S COERCION.
THAT'S COERCION.
YOU CAN'T THREATEN SOMEBODY YOU CAN'T THREATEN SOMEBODY WITH PUBLIC MONEY AND NOT GIVE WITH PUBLIC MONEY AND NOT GIVE THAT TO THEM.
THAT TO THEM.
SO THE -- RICK PERRY SAYING SO THE -- RICK PERRY SAYING IT'S OF COURSE IN MY POWER.
IT'S OF COURSE IN MY POWER.
I CAN VETO ANYTHING I WANT.
I CAN VETO ANYTHING I WANT.
AND A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE AND AND A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE AND I'M THE GOVERNOR AND I HAVE I'M THE GOVERNOR AND I HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY.
CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY.
THE QUESTION WILL BE, AS THIS THE QUESTION WILL BE, AS THIS GOES TO TRIAL, WHY YOU CAN'T -- GOES TO TRIAL, WHY YOU CAN'T -- FIRST OF ALL, WHY HE WENT AND FIRST OF ALL, WHY HE WENT AND DID THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE?
DID THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE?
AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN ACTUALLY THREATEN SOMEONE WITH ACTUALLY THREATEN SOMEONE WITH DOING THIS ACTION VERSUS JUST DOING THIS ACTION VERSUS JUST GOING AHEAD AND VETOING IT IN GOING AHEAD AND VETOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THE FIRST PLACE.
>> WOW, THAT'S FASCINATING.
>> WOW, THAT'S FASCINATING.
BUT I REALLY HAVE TO ASK YOU, BUT I REALLY HAVE TO ASK YOU, HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO HIS HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO HIS PLANS TO REHABILITATE HIS PLANS TO REHABILITATE HIS POLITICAL CAREER AND TRY TO RUN POLITICAL CAREER AND TRY TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN WITH HIS FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN WITH HIS FANCY GLASS THAT IS MAKE HIM FANCY GLASS THAT IS MAKE HIM LOOK SMARTER AND ALL OF THAT?
LOOK SMARTER AND ALL OF THAT?
>> HE GETS A LOT OF ATTENTION >> HE GETS A LOT OF ATTENTION FOR THE GLASSES WHICH HE FOR THE GLASSES WHICH HE COULDN'T WEAR IN THE MUG SHOT.
COULDN'T WEAR IN THE MUG SHOT.
HE'S BEEN DOING A VERY -- HE'S HE'S BEEN DOING A VERY -- HE'S BEEN MAKING A VERY BEEN MAKING A VERY CONSCIENTIOUS EFFORT DOING CONSCIENTIOUS EFFORT DOING MEDIA TOURS.
MEDIA TOURS.
WE SAT DOWN WITH HIM A FEW WE SAT DOWN WITH HIM A FEW WEEKS BACK.
WEEKS BACK.
WHERE HE'S LAYING OUT WHAT WENT WHERE HE'S LAYING OUT WHAT WENT WRONG IN 2012.
WRONG IN 2012.
AND THE WAYS IN WHICH HE'S AND THE WAYS IN WHICH HE'S GOING TO BE A BETTER CANDIDATE.
GOING TO BE A BETTER CANDIDATE.
IF HE RUNS IN 2016.
IF HE RUNS IN 2016.
NOT SAYING FOR SURE HE WILL DO NOT SAYING FOR SURE HE WILL DO THAT.
THAT.
BUT YOU CAN HEAR IT IN THE WAY BUT YOU CAN HEAR IT IN THE WAY THAT HE TALKS ABOUT ISSUES.
THAT HE TALKS ABOUT ISSUES.
HE WANTS TO BRING IT BACK TO HE WANTS TO BRING IT BACK TO THE STORY HE NEVER GOT TO TELL THE STORY HE NEVER GOT TO TELL IN 2012 WHICH IS LOOK HOW GREAT IN 2012 WHICH IS LOOK HOW GREAT TEXAS IS.
TEXAS IS.
ALL THESE OTHER STATES ARE ALL THESE OTHER STATES ARE LOSING JOBS AND WE WERE GAINING LOSING JOBS AND WE WERE GAINING JOBS.
JOBS.
WE'RE THE GREAT SUCCESS STORY WE'RE THE GREAT SUCCESS STORY AND I WANT TO BRING THAT TO AND I WANT TO BRING THAT TO WASHINGTON.
WASHINGTON.
AND ALSO I'M NOT PART OF AND ALSO I'M NOT PART OF WASHINGTON.
WASHINGTON.
INSTEAD, HE GETS DERAILED ONCE INSTEAD, HE GETS DERAILED ONCE AGAIN BY SOMETHING.
AGAIN BY SOMETHING.
AND IN THIS CASE THE AND IN THIS CASE THE INDICTMENT.
INDICTMENT.
THE OTHER PIECE, THOUGH, FOR THE OTHER PIECE, THOUGH, FOR HIM IS WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS HIM IS WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS EVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET EVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET OFF THE GROUND IN THE FIRST OFF THE GROUND IN THE FIRST PLACE WITH PEOPLE STILL PLACE WITH PEOPLE STILL THINKING ABOUT RICK PERRY AS THINKING ABOUT RICK PERRY AS THE OOPS GUY.
THE OOPS GUY.
NOW, ARE THEY GOING TO THINK OF NOW, ARE THEY GOING TO THINK OF HIM AS THE INDICTMENT GUY?
HIM AS THE INDICTMENT GUY?
>> THAT'S MY QUESTION.
>> THAT'S MY QUESTION.
DOES HE HAVE A CHANCE?
DOES HE HAVE A CHANCE?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE >> WELL, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE AROUND HIM SAY HE'S THE AROUND HIM SAY HE'S THE GOVERNOR.
GOVERNOR.
LONGEST SERVING GOVERNOR OF ONE LONGEST SERVING GOVERNOR OF ONE OF THE LARGEST STATES IN THE OF THE LARGEST STATES IN THE COUNTRY.
COUNTRY.
HE HAS A GREAT STORY TO TELL.
HE HAS A GREAT STORY TO TELL.
OF COURSE HE HAS A CHANCE.
OF COURSE HE HAS A CHANCE.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS FIELD ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS FIELD IS SO WIDE OPEN.
IS SO WIDE OPEN.
IT IS TRUE, THERE'S NO IT IS TRUE, THERE'S NO FRONTRUNNER IN THIS RACE.
FRONTRUNNER IN THIS RACE.
THE QUESTION FOR RICK PERRY IS THE QUESTION FOR RICK PERRY IS GOING TO BE ONE, HOW DOES HE GOING TO BE ONE, HOW DOES HE DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE THAT'S DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE THAT'S HANGING OVER HIM?
HANGING OVER HIM?
PROBABLY THROUGH AT LEAST EARLY PROBABLY THROUGH AT LEAST EARLY 2015, THAT'S WHEN WE EXPECT A 2015, THAT'S WHEN WE EXPECT A TRIAL.
TRIAL.
SO HE'S GOING TO HAVE INDICTED SO HE'S GOING TO HAVE INDICTED IN FRONT OF HIS NAME.
IN FRONT OF HIS NAME.
AT BEST HE'LL HAVE ACQUITTED IN AT BEST HE'LL HAVE ACQUITTED IN FRONT OF HIS NAME.
FRONT OF HIS NAME.
AND THEN HE'S GOT TO REALLY AND THEN HE'S GOT TO REALLY PROVE THAT THERE IS SOME THERE PROVE THAT THERE IS SOME THERE THERE.
THERE.
AFTER STUMBLING IN THE 2012 AFTER STUMBLING IN THE 2012 CAMPAIGN, CAN HE SHOW THAT HE'S CAMPAIGN, CAN HE SHOW THAT HE'S REALLY GOT THE STUFF OF REALLY GOT THE STUFF OF PRESIDENTIAL CALIBER?
PRESIDENTIAL CALIBER?
WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE SEEING HIM WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE SEEING HIM IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND HERE IN IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND HERE IN WASHINGTON.
WASHINGTON.
GWEN: AND THIS TIME BEING GWEN: AND THIS TIME BEING DEFENDED BY BOTH DEMOCRATS AND DEFENDED BY BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, PEOPLE LIKE DAVID REPUBLICANS, PEOPLE LIKE DAVID AXELROD AND JOHN SUNUNUU, AXELROD AND JOHN SUNUNUU, NEITHER OF WHOM LOOKED HIM TWO NEITHER OF WHOM LOOKED HIM TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO -- OR THREE YEARS AGO -- >> AND THERE'S REALLY NO THERE >> AND THERE'S REALLY NO THERE THERE.
THERE.
AND THIS IS WHAT THE PERRY AND THIS IS WHAT THE PERRY SUPPORTERS WILL SAY.
SUPPORTERS WILL SAY.
THE TRAVIS COUNTY -- THIS THE TRAVIS COUNTY -- THIS OFFICE, THIS PUBLIC INTEGRITY, OFFICE, THIS PUBLIC INTEGRITY, THEY KIND OF PULLED THIS STUNT THEY KIND OF PULLED THIS STUNT A LOT ON REPUBLICANS.
A LOT ON REPUBLICANS.
AND THEY INDICTED KAY BAILEY AND THEY INDICTED KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON, SENATOR, ACQUITTED.
HUTCHISON, SENATOR, ACQUITTED.
DELAY ALSO.
DELAY ALSO.
GWEN: AND TOM DELAY.
GWEN: AND TOM DELAY.
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
WE DO HAVE TO GO.
WE DO HAVE TO GO.
BUT NOT WITHOUT SENDING OUR BUT NOT WITHOUT SENDING OUR CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY OF CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY OF FORMER VERMONT SENATOR JIM FORMER VERMONT SENATOR JIM JEFFORDS WHO PASSED AWAY THIS JEFFORDS WHO PASSED AWAY THIS WEEK.
WEEK.
HE WAS 80 YEARS OLD.
HE WAS 80 YEARS OLD.
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