GWEN: IT IS LIKE FOREIGN POLICY WHACK A MOLE.
WHACK A MOLE.
IF IT IS NOT ISRAEL, IT IS IF IT IS NOT ISRAEL, IT IS AFGHANISTAN.
AFGHANISTAN.
IF IT IS NOT UKRAINE, IT IS IF IT IS NOT UKRAINE, IT IS RUSSIA.
RUSSIA.
RETURN TO MILITARY RETURN TO MILITARY ACTION IN IRAQ.
ACTION IN IRAQ.
OLD DISPUTES AND NEW DILEMMAS OLD DISPUTES AND NEW DILEMMAS U.S.HE U.S.HE TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
>> EARLIER THIS WEEK ONE IRAQI >> EARLIER THIS WEEK ONE IRAQI AREA CRIED TO THE WORLD AREA CRIED TO THE WORLD THERE IS NO ONE COMING TO HELP.
THERE IS NO ONE COMING TO HELP.
WELL, TODAY AMERICA IS COMING TO WELL, TODAY AMERICA IS COMING TO HELP.
HELP.
HOLD.BUT THE CENTER WON'T HOLD.BUT THE CENTER WON'T IN IRAQ A WAR THOUGHT OVER IN IRAQ A WAR THOUGHT OVER SPRINGS BACK TO LIFE.
SPRINGS BACK TO LIFE.
HAVE THE UNIQUE HAVE THE UNIQUE CAPABILITIES TO HELP AVERT A CAPABILITIES TO HELP AVERT A UNITEDE I BELIEVE THE WAITS OF UNITEDE I BELIEVE THE WAITS OF STATES OF AMERICA CANNOT TURN A STATES OF AMERICA CANNOT TURN A EYE.
EYE.
>> AND.
>> AND.
IN ISRAEL AND GAZA IN ISRAEL AND GAZA ANOTHER SEIZE FIRE GIVES WAY.
ANOTHER SEIZE FIRE GIVES WAY.
>> THE SUFFERING IN GEORGIA >> THE SUFFERING IN GEORGIA MUSTEND.
AND MUSTEND.
AND GWEN: AMERICA, ALWAYS THE MAN IN GWEN: AMERICA, ALWAYS THE MAN IN THE MIDDLE, WHETHER AMERICANS THE MIDDLE, WHETHER AMERICANS LIKE IT OR NOT.
LIKE IT OR NOT.
COVERING THE WEEK, MICHAEL COVERING THE WEEK, MICHAEL CRAWLY, CHIEF FOREIGN AFFAIRS CRAWLY, CHIEF FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT FOR TIME MAGAZINE.
CORRESPONDENT FOR TIME MAGAZINE.
THEE MCMANUS, COLUMNIST FOR THEE MCMANUS, COLUMNIST FOR LOS ANGELES TIMES.
LOS ANGELES TIMES.
NANCY YOUCEF.
NANCY YOUCEF.
AWARD WINNING REPORTING AND AWARD WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS.
ANALYSIS.
HAPPENS,HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS,HISTORY AS IT LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH IFILL.
ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
THAT THEER DOUBTED THAT THEER DOUBTED UNITED STATES IS SE CENTRAL TO UNITED STATES IS SE CENTRAL TO HAPPENINGEVERING HAPPENINGEVERING WHERE, ESPECIALLY THE TOUGH WHERE, ESPECIALLY THE TOUGH STUFF THIS WEEK SHOULD HAVE PUT STUFF THIS WEEK SHOULD HAVE PUT QUESTIONS.HE QUESTIONS.HE INTERVENTION IS NOW THE WATCH INTERVENTION IS NOW THE WATCH WORD.
WORD.
WHERE THE AMERICAN WHERE THE AMERICAN MILITARY IS CARRYING OUT AIR MILITARY IS CARRYING OUT AIR STRIKES AND IN AFGHANISTAN WHERE STRIKES AND IN AFGHANISTAN WHERE STATE HAD TO OF STATE HAD TO OF STEP IN AND IN ISRAEL AND STEP IN AND IN ISRAEL AND WAS WINDINGEMED LIKE IT WAS WINDINGEMED LIKE IT DOWN UNTIL THE ROCKETS STARTING DOWN UNTIL THE ROCKETS STARTING FLYING AGAIN.
FLYING AGAIN.
START WITH THE PRESIDENTS IT START WITH THE PRESIDENTS IT EXPLANATION OF WHY THE U.S. IS EXPLANATION OF WHY THE U.S. IS STEPPING BACK INTO IRAQ NOW.
STEPPING BACK INTO IRAQ NOW.
>> I HAVE SAID BEFORE THE UNITED >> I HAVE SAID BEFORE THE UNITED SHOULD NOTOT AND SHOULD NOTOT AND INTERVENE EVERY TIME THERE IS A INTERVENE EVERY TIME THERE IS A CRISIS IN THE WORLD.
CRISIS IN THE WORLD.
WHY WEBE CLEAR ABOUT WHY WEBE CLEAR ABOUT MUST ACT AND ACT NOW.
MUST ACT AND ACT NOW.
WHEN WEIGH FACE A SITUATION LIKE WHEN WEIGH FACE A SITUATION LIKE ON THAT MOUNTAIN WITH ON THAT MOUNTAIN WITH INNOCENT PEOPLE FACING THE INNOCENT PEOPLE FACING THE PROSPECT OF VIOLENCE O ON A PROSPECT OF VIOLENCE O ON A HORRIFIC SCALE, WHEN WE HAVE A HORRIFIC SCALE, WHEN WE HAVE A MANDATE TO HELP IN THIS CASE A MANDATE TO HELP IN THIS CASE A THE IRAQIOM THE IRAQIOM GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT.
GWEN: BUT THE SITUATION IN IRAQ GWEN: BUT THE SITUATION IN IRAQ BEEN DETERIORATING FOR SOME BEEN DETERIORATING FOR SOME TIME NOW, MICHAEL.
TIME NOW, MICHAEL.
WHY INTERVENE NOW?
WHY INTERVENE NOW?
KNOW, FOR THOUGHT KNOW, FOR THOUGHT THIS PRESIDENCY THERE HAS ONE AN THIS PRESIDENCY THERE HAS ONE AN DEFINE AN OBAMA DEFINE AN OBAMA DOCTRINE.
DOCTRINE.
WHAT IS HIS WORLD VIEW AND THE WHAT IS HIS WORLD VIEW AND THE TRIGGER FOR HIS ACTIONS OR TRIGGER FOR HIS ACTIONS OR INACTIONS?
INACTIONS?
I DON'T THINK THERE IS A SIMPLE I DON'T THINK THERE IS A SIMPLE ANSWER.
ANSWER.
I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE HERE ARE I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE HERE ARE THIS HAVE BUILT UP THIS HAVE BUILT UP TOGETHER.
TOGETHER.
ONE IS HUMANITARIAN AND THIS IS ONE IS HUMANITARIAN AND THIS IS PRIMARILYESIDENT PRIMARILYESIDENT FRAMED IT.
FRAMED IT.
WE ARE COMING TO THE RESCUE OF WE ARE COMING TO THE RESCUE OF THE PEOPLE TRAPPED ON THE THE PEOPLE TRAPPED ON THE MOUNTAIN.
MOUNTAIN.
THE SECOND IS SECURITY.
THE SECOND IS SECURITY.
THERE ARE AMERICAN PERSONNEL AT THERE ARE AMERICAN PERSONNEL AT OF THESE ISIS FORCES COMING OF THESE ISIS FORCES COMING IN AND DOING HORRENDOUS THINGS IN AND DOING HORRENDOUS THINGS HANDS ONET THEIR HANDS ONET THEIR AMERICANS.
AMERICANS.
IT WOULD BE BENGHAZI TIMES 50 IT WOULD BE BENGHAZI TIMES 50 IS STRATEGIC.
IS STRATEGIC.
IRAQ IS A SLOW MOVING THAT SASS IRAQ IS A SLOW MOVING THAT SASS MOVING DISASTERAND WE HAVEN'T FY MOVING DISASTERAND WE HAVEN'T FY TO GO IN.
TO GO IN.
THREE FACTORSTHE THREE FACTORSTHE CONVERGING THAT PUSHES THE CONVERGING THAT PUSHES THE PRESIDENT INTO ACTION.
PRESIDENT INTO ACTION.
WHY HERE?
WHY HERE?
WHY NOT A PLACE LIKE SYRIA?
WHY NOT A PLACE LIKE SYRIA?
THE FACTORS DON'T ADD UP.
THE FACTORS DON'T ADD UP.
ALCHEMY.IND OF ALCHEMY.IND OF YOU CAN'T PUT A DOCTRINE OR YOU CAN'T PUT A DOCTRINE OR ON IT.
ON IT.
A KEY PHRASE IS OBAMA SAYING WE A KEY PHRASE IS OBAMA SAYING WE PRECISIONN AND USE PRECISIONN AND USE AIR STRIKES AND DROPS TO HIGH AIR STRIKES AND DROPS TO HIGH PEOPLE ANDE NEEDY PEOPLE ANDE NEEDY BEAT BACK THE FIGHTERS AND MAYBE BEAT BACK THE FIGHTERS AND MAYBE TO BLUNT ISIS' MOMENTUM.
TO BLUNT ISIS' MOMENTUM.
A CASE-BY-CASE CALL.
A CASE-BY-CASE CALL.
HE MADE A HARD CALL HERE.
HE MADE A HARD CALL HERE.
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE EXTRAPOLATE TOO MUCH OUT OF EXTRAPOLATE TOO MUCH OUT OF THIS.
THIS.
CALLED IRAQ THE CALLED IRAQ THE AMERICAN AMBITION.F AMERICAN AMBITION.F IS THAT TRUE AT THIS POINT?
IS THAT TRUE AT THIS POINT?
>> OBAMA IS THE FOURTH PRESIDENT >> OBAMA IS THE FOURTH PRESIDENT IN A ROW TO CALL FOR IN A ROW TO CALL FOR IN IRAQ.ION IN IRAQ.ION IT IS AN ARGUMENT THAT ONE COULD IT IS AN ARGUMENT THAT ONE COULD CONSIDER VALID.
CONSIDER VALID.
CHALLENGE IS THAT IN IRAQ CHALLENGE IS THAT IN IRAQ THE FEELING WAS AN OBAMA THE FEELING WAS AN OBAMA CAMPAIGN THAT THE U.S. IS CAMPAIGN THAT THE U.S. IS LEAVING IRAQ.
LEAVING IRAQ.
THE IDEA IS THAT THE U.S. HAS TO THE IDEA IS THAT THE U.S. HAS TO COME BACK PAUSE THE SITUATION IS COME BACK PAUSE THE SITUATION IS FOUR THAN WHEN IT WAS LEFT FOUR THAN WHEN IT WAS LEFT YEARS AGO STARTLES AMERICANS AND YEARS AGO STARTLES AMERICANS AND EVEN THE ADMINISTRATION ITSELF.
EVEN THE ADMINISTRATION ITSELF.
CERTAINLY HAS BECOME THAT.
CERTAINLY HAS BECOME THAT.
THE IDEA THAT THE UNITED STATES THE IDEA THAT THE UNITED STATES LOST BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, LOST BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, NEARLY 5,000 TROOPS AND HAVE TO NEARLY 5,000 TROOPS AND HAVE TO FORCE, ANCAUSE A FORCE, ANCAUSE A EXTREMIST FORCE AND A FORCE THAT EXTREMIST FORCE AND A FORCE THAT STARTED OUT AS AN INSURGENCY STARTED OUT AS AN INSURGENCY POSES SUCH AN IMMEDIATE AND POSES SUCH AN IMMEDIATE AND DIRECT THREAT TO THE VERY FORCES DIRECT THREAT TO THE VERY FORCES THIS WE TRIPPED.
THIS WE TRIPPED.
GWEN: THE FORCE HAS BEEN AS WE GWEN: THE FORCE HAS BEEN AS WE TALKING HAS BEEN POSING TALKING HAS BEEN POSING THIS KIND OF THREAT FOR AWHILE.
THIS KIND OF THREAT FOR AWHILE.
IT ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF IT ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THE PEOPLE THERE ON THE MOUNTAIN THE PEOPLE THERE ON THE MOUNTAIN TOP IN NORTHERN IRAQ?
TOP IN NORTHERN IRAQ?
WHAT IS IT THAT CHANGED THE WHAT IS IT THAT CHANGED THE FORMULA?
FORMULA?
>> I THINK ONE OF THE KEY >> I THINK ONE OF THE KEY FACTORS IS THERE WAS AN FACTORS IS THERE WAS AN THAT THE KURDISH THAT THE KURDISH FORCES IN THE NORTH COULD FEND FORCES IN THE NORTH COULD FEND OFF THE ISIS THREAT IN A WAY OFF THE ISIS THREAT IN A WAY THAT THE IRAQI ARMY AND SYRIAN THAT THE IRAQI ARMY AND SYRIAN ARMY AND HEZBOLLAH FORCES ARMY AND HEZBOLLAH FORCES COULDN'T DO.
COULDN'T DO.
WHEN THEY COULDN'T DO IT, WHEN WHEN THEY COULDN'T DO IT, WHEN ISIS FORCES WERE ON THE BORDER ISIS FORCES WERE ON THE BORDER KURDISH CAPITAL AND KURDISH CAPITAL AND THREATENING TO MOVE THERE, THERE THREATENING TO MOVE THERE, THERE WAS A FEELING THERE WERE NO SORT WAS A FEELING THERE WERE NO SORT FORCES THAT COULD STOP FORCES THAT COULD STOP IT AND IT DEMANDED SOME COINED IT AND IT DEMANDED SOME COINED BECAUSE THEYON BECAUSE THEYON SIMPLY COULDN'T DO IT.
SIMPLY COULDN'T DO IT.
ISIS DECLARED ITSELF A STATE ISIS DECLARED ITSELF A STATE THAT THEY WOULD MOVE TOWARDS THE THAT THEY WOULD MOVE TOWARDS THE POSE A THREATL, POSE A THREATL, TO THE WHOLE REGION.
TO THE WHOLE REGION.
GWEN: THE WHOLE IDEA HERE THAT GWEN: THE WHOLE IDEA HERE THAT BEEN TRYING NOT BEEN TRYING NOT ONLY HERE BUT AROUND THE WORLD ONLY HERE BUT AROUND THE WORLD A MULTINATIONAL A MULTINATIONAL RESPONSE TO ANY BIG ISSUE BUT IN RESPONSE TO ANY BIG ISSUE BUT IN THE END IT IS STILL THE U.S.
THE END IT IS STILL THE U.S. HAS TO STEP UP.
HAS TO STEP UP.
>> WE.
>> WE.
THE STRIKING THINGS THE STRIKING THINGS IS THERE IS ONE NATION INVOLVED IS THERE IS ONE NATION INVOLVED IN THE MILITARY PART OF THIS IN THE MILITARY PART OF THIS OPERATION.
OPERATION.
EVEN, YOU KNOW, THE EVEN, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF FIGURE LEAF OF BRITISH KIND OF FIGURE LEAF OF BRITISH PARTICIPATION OR FRENCH PARTICIPATION OR FRENCH PARTICIPATION THAT YOU HAD IN PARTICIPATION THAT YOU HAD IN LIBYA FOR EXAMPLE.
LIBYA FOR EXAMPLE.
NOW THE BRITS AND THE TURKS HAVE NOW THE BRITS AND THE TURKS HAVE SAID WE WILL PARTICIPATE IN SAID WE WILL PARTICIPATE IN TERMS OF HUMANITARIAN AID.
TERMS OF HUMANITARIAN AID.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE MILITARY BUT IN TERMS OF THE MILITARY THIS, WHICH SO FAR IS THIS, WHICH SO FAR IS THE THREE AIR STRIKES IN THE THREE AIR STRIKES IN AREA WEST OF THE CAPITAL, IT IS AREA WEST OF THE CAPITAL, IT IS SHOW.RICAN SHOW.RICAN THAT MAY BE PARTLY AT THIS POINT THAT MAY BE PARTLY AT THIS POINT IT IS A SMALL SHOW AND IF THIS IT IS A SMALL SHOW AND IF THIS TURNS INTO A LONG RUNNING AIR TURNS INTO A LONG RUNNING AIR EXPECT THE EXPECT THE ADMINISTRATION TO LOOK FOR ADMINISTRATION TO LOOK FOR ALLIES.
ALLIES.
OF ATTENTIONAMOUNT OF ATTENTIONAMOUNT HAS BEEN ON THE PLIGHT OF THE HAS BEEN ON THE PLIGHT OF THE PEOPLE ON THE MOUNTAIN.
PEOPLE ON THE MOUNTAIN.
AS MICHAEL POINTED UP THE POLICY AS MICHAEL POINTED UP THE POLICY ALSO INCLUDES THE POSSIBILITY OF ALSO INCLUDES THE POSSIBILITY OF LONG-TERM SUPPORT TO THE CURDS LONG-TERM SUPPORT TO THE CURDS IN THE IRAQ GOVERNMENT IN THE IRAQ GOVERNMENT BAGHDAD IF IT EVER GETS ITS ACT BAGHDAD IF IT EVER GETS ITS ACT TOGETHER.
TOGETHER.
NEW "WALL STREET NEW "WALL STREET JOURNAL" POLL IS ONE OF SEVERAL JOURNAL" POLL IS ONE OF SEVERAL RECENT SURVEYS THAT SAY IT ALL.
RECENT SURVEYS THAT SAY IT ALL.
ONLY 36% OF THOSE POLLED APPROVE ONLY 36% OF THOSE POLLED APPROVE OF THE PRESIDENT'S HANDLING OF OF THE PRESIDENT'S HANDLING OF FOREIGN POLICY AND ONLY 40% FOREIGN POLICY AND ONLY 40% APPROVE OF THE PRESIDENT APPROVE OF THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF.
HIMSELF.
A NEW LOW.
A NEW LOW.
DOES THAT DRIVE THE DECISION DOES THAT DRIVE THE DECISION AMY?G THAT WE SEE HERE, AMY?G THAT WE SEE HERE, >> I THINK IT CERTAINLY IS >> I THINK IT CERTAINLY IS DRIVING THE WAY THAT AMERICANS DRIVING THE WAY THAT AMERICANS ARE PERCEIVING THE PRESIDENT.
ARE PERCEIVING THE PRESIDENT.
THAT IS THE SORT OF DIFFICULTY THAT IS THE SORT OF DIFFICULTY THAT THE PRESIDENTS IN RIGHT THAT THE PRESIDENTS IN RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS HE IS STARTING OFF NOW, WHICH IS HE IS STARTING OFF VERY LOW POINT AND VERY LOW POINT AND THEN TO WHEN HE GETS THE CALL THEN TO WHEN HE GETS THE CALL OUT IN THE FIELD OUT IN THE FIELD SAYING YOU NEED TO SHOW SAYING YOU NEED TO SHOW LEADERSHIP AND BY THE FIELD I LEADERSHIP AND BY THE FIELD I HERE,HE CHATTERING CLASS HERE,HE CHATTERING CLASS REPUBLICANS IS OTHERS SAYING YOU REPUBLICANS IS OTHERS SAYING YOU SAYING YOUNEED TO STEP UPND SHOW SAYING YOUNEED TO STEP UPND SHOW LEADERSHIP HE IS AT THE LOWEST LEADERSHIP HE IS AT THE LOWEST THET RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOT THET RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOT BELIEVABILITY.
BELIEVABILITY.
WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW WANTS TO SOHERE HE WANTS TO SOHERE HE DESPERATELY BE TALKING ABOUT TOE DESPERATELY BE TALKING ABOUT TOE MESS TICKISH SOMEHOWS AND THE -- MESS TICKISH SOMEHOWS AND THE -- ISSUES AND THE AMERICAN ISSUES AND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WANTS TO BE TALKIN TALKIT PUBLIC WANTS TO BE TALKIN TALKIT MESS TICTALKING ABOUTDOMESTIC .
MESS TICTALKING ABOUTDOMESTIC .
POLL THE THING IN THE POLL THE THING IN THE CAN USE THEEEP I GUESS WE CAN USE THEEEP I GUESS WE WORD MALAISE.
WORD MALAISE.
THINKSTHE PUBLIC STILL THINKSTHE PUBLIC STILL WE ARE HEADED IN THE WRONG WE ARE HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION DOMESTICALLY.
DIRECTION DOMESTICALLY.
THINGSN'T BELIEVE THAT THINGSN'T BELIEVE THAT HAVE GONE BETTER FOR THE ECONOMY HAVE GONE BETTER FOR THE ECONOMY FOR THEM.
FOR THEM.
HOLDINGCH OF WHAT WAS HOLDINGCH OF WHAT WAS BACK AMERICANS IN MANY WHICHS AS BACK AMERICANS IN MANY WHICHS AS WHY THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE WHY THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THE U.S. INVOLVED IS THIS WE THE U.S. INVOLVED IS THIS WE HAVE BEEN THERE AND LOST HAVE BEEN THERE AND LOST ALLTHESE LIVES AND SPENT ALLTHESE LIVES AND SPENT THIS MONEY BUT WE HAVE SO MANY THIS MONEY BUT WE HAVE SO MANY THAT HAVE TO DID HE THAT HAVE TO DID HE DOMESTICALLY.MESCOMPLETED DOMESTICALLY.MESCOMPLETED >> HE SPOKE DIRECTLY TO THE >> HE SPOKE DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT WHY THEY AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT WHY THEY MIGHT NOT THINK THIS IS A GOOD MIGHT NOT THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.
IDEA.
>> I KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE >> I KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ANY MILITARY CONCERNED ABOUT ANY MILITARY ACTION IN IRAQ, EVEN LIMITED ACTION IN IRAQ, EVEN LIMITED STRIKES LIKE THESE.
STRIKES LIKE THESE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I RAN FOR THIS OFFICE IN PART TO I RAN FOR THIS OFFICE IN PART TO END OUR WAR IN IRAQ AND WELCOME END OUR WAR IN IRAQ AND WELCOME OUR TROOPS HOME.
OUR TROOPS HOME.
WE HAVE TON.
WE HAVE TON.
AS COMMANDER OF CHIEF I WILL NOT AS COMMANDER OF CHIEF I WILL NOT ALLOW THE UNITED STATES TO BE ALLOW THE UNITED STATES TO BE INGGED INTO ANOTHER WAR INGGED INTO ANOTHER WAR IRAQ.
IRAQ.
GWEN: THE AIR CAMPAIGN IS GWEN: THE AIR CAMPAIGN IS DESIGNED TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL.
DESIGNED TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL.
BUT CAN IT?
BUT CAN IT?
EASY.IS NOT GOING TO BE EASY.IS NOT GOING TO BE AND I WOULD SAY BY THE WAY, THEY AND I WOULD SAY BY THE WAY, THEY ARE NOT DEFINING IT IS AN AIR ARE NOT DEFINING IT IS AN AIR CAMPAIGN.
CAMPAIGN.
THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZED LIMITED THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZED LIMITED TARGETED STRIKES.
TARGETED STRIKES.
THEIF YOU THINK BACK TO THEIF YOU THINK BACK TO LIVEY OPERATION, THAT -- LIBYA LIVEY OPERATION, THAT -- LIBYA OPERATION.
OPERATION.
BEGIN WITH THE GOAL BEGIN WITH THE GOAL TOPPLING GHADAFI.
TOPPLING GHADAFI.
IT WAS SIMILAR TO THE SITUATION IT WAS SIMILAR TO THE SITUATION THE PRESIDENT DESCRIBED LAST THE PRESIDENT DESCRIBED LAST NIGHT.
NIGHT.
BENGHAZI NOW ASA BENGHAZI NOW ASA NONE MUST WITH THE COMPOUND.
NONE MUST WITH THE COMPOUND.
THE REASON THE PRESIDENT THE REASON THE PRESIDENT INTERVENTION WAS TO INTERVENTION WAS TO SAVE INNOCENTS FROM THE SAVE INNOCENTS FROM THE SLAUGHTER AND THAT IS WHY WE SLAUGHTER AND THAT IS WHY WE WERE DOING IT.
WERE DOING IT.
AND THEN WHEN HAPPENED?
AND THEN WHEN HAPPENED?
IT EVOLVED.
IT EVOLVED.
WE HAD A STAKE IN THE GAME.
WE HAD A STAKE IN THE GAME.
IT TURNED INTO A LONG-RUNNING IT TURNED INTO A LONG-RUNNING CAMPAIGN.
CAMPAIGN.
THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF MISSION CREEP.
MISSION CREEP.
NOW, NOT AN AIR CAMPAIGN NOW, NOT AN AIR CAMPAIGN BUT WE HAVE A RECENT PRECEDENT BUT WE HAVE A RECENT PRECEDENT INTERVENTIONARIAN INTERVENTIONARIAN TURN NOTHING A LONGER RUNNING TURN NOTHING A LONGER RUNNING AIR CAMPAIGN.
AIR CAMPAIGN.
GOALS?T ACHIEVE ITS GOALS?T ACHIEVE ITS A CLICHE YOU HEAR A LOT.
A CLICHE YOU HEAR A LOT.
YOU NEED A POLITICAL SOLUTION IN YOU NEED A POLITICAL SOLUTION IN IRAQ.
IRAQ.
PARTIES HAVE TO MAKE PARTIES HAVE TO MAKE SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE.
SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE.
GWEN: ISN'T WHAT HAPPENED IN GWEN: ISN'T WHAT HAPPENED IN LIBYA AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN LIBYA AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN REASON THAT BARACK REASON THAT BARACK OBAMA STAYED OUT OF SYRIA?
OBAMA STAYED OUT OF SYRIA?
>> YES.
>> YES.
CHALLENGE WITH A LIMITED CHALLENGE WITH A LIMITED AIR CAMPAIGN OR WHENEVER YOU AIR CAMPAIGN OR WHENEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT IF THE MESSAGE WANT TO CALL IT IF THE MESSAGE WHICH IS EMBOLDENED AND WHICH IS EMBOLDENED AND FEELS STRONGER AND HAS ACQUIRED FEELS STRONGER AND HAS ACQUIRED WEAPONS THROUGH ALL WEAPONS THROUGH ALL THESE MILITARY BASES.
THESE MILITARY BASES.
>> HOW DID THEY GET THE >> HOW DID THEY GET THE WINDCHILL UPONS?
WINDCHILL UPONS?
>> THEY WOULD GO THROUGH -- HOW >> THEY WOULD GO THROUGH -- HOW DID THEY GET THE WEAPONS?
DID THEY GET THE WEAPONS?
U.S.
WEAPONS THAT U.S.
WEAPONS THAT THE IRAQIS.O THE IRAQIS.O THEY HAVE A HUGE ARSENAL.
THEY HAVE A HUGE ARSENAL.
IRAQI ARMY.HE IRAQI ARMY.HE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO MOVE FROM THAT ALLOWED THEM TO MOVE FROM TONG AN RESTRUCTURINGCY FORCE E TONG AN RESTRUCTURINGCY FORCE E MORE LIKE A AUSSIE MILITARY.
MORE LIKE A AUSSIE MILITARY.
NOR LIKE ATO -- NOR LIKE ATO -- QUASIMILITARY.
QUASIMILITARY.
>> THE DUAL MESSAGE IS WE DON'T >> THE DUAL MESSAGE IS WE DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED.
WANT TO GET INVOLVED.
TROOPS.
WANT GROUND TROOPS.
WANT GROUND IT WILL BE LIMITED.
IT WILL BE LIMITED.
HARD TO SEE HOW THAT DEFERS SUCH HARD TO SEE HOW THAT DEFERS SUCH MOMENTUM.OPS THE ISIS MOMENTUM.OPS THE ISIS >> AND THAT MESSAGE CLASHES WITH >> AND THAT MESSAGE CLASHES WITH THE OTHER INTEREST THE UNITED THE OTHER INTEREST THE UNITED HAS IN IRAQ WHICH IS NOT HAS IN IRAQ WHICH IS NOT ALLOWING ISIS TO WIN BECAUSE IF ALLOWING ISIS TO WIN BECAUSE IF GETS ROOTEDSTATE GETS ROOTEDSTATE WITH ALL OF THESE WEAPONS WITH WITH ALL OF THESE WEAPONS WITH THERE IS EVERY, THERE IS EVERY, REASON TO EXPECT THEY WILL REASON TO EXPECT THEY WILL BASE FOR TERRORISM BASE FOR TERRORISM AGAINST OTHERS.
AGAINST OTHERS.
IF NOT THE UNITED STATES.
IF NOT THE UNITED STATES.
RHETORIC HAS RHETORIC HAS TALKED ABOUT THE TALKED ABOUT THE UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES.
IT IS NOT CENTRAL TO WHAT THEY IT IS NOT CENTRAL TO WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
ARE DOING.
THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS THIS THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS THIS TURN INTO A LONGER TURN INTO A LONGER ENGAGEMENT.
ENGAGEMENT.
BOOTS ONEEN FIRM ON NO BOOTS ONEEN FIRM ON NO THE GROUND.
THE GROUND.
NO BOOTS ON GROUND.
NO BOOTS ON GROUND.
AND THERE THE QUESTION IS IN AND THERE THE QUESTION IS IN WHETHER THIS CAN WORK, WHETHER THIS CAN WORK, CAN THE KURDISH FORCES HOLD CAN THE KURDISH FORCES HOLD TOGETHER?
TOGETHER?
OTHER REASONS FOR OTHER REASONS FOR ACTION THIS WEEK IS THERE WAS A ACTION THIS WEEK IS THERE WAS A MORALE ANDISIS OF MORALE ANDISIS OF WERE PULLING BACK.
WERE PULLING BACK.
AND CAN THEY GET THEIR ACT AND CAN THEY GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED TOGETHER AND IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET?
YET?
GWEN: I WONDER IF YOU PUT FACES GWEN: I WONDER IF YOU PUT FACES ON THE STORY WHETHER THIS ON THE STORY WHETHER THIS DOESN'T CHANGE PUBLIC OPINION OR DOESN'T CHANGE PUBLIC OPINION OR THINGS THAT FOREIGN THINGS THAT FOREIGN POLICY NEVER WORKS FOR YOU?
POLICY NEVER WORKS FOR YOU?
COHESIVEIS REALLY NO COHESIVEIS REALLY NO STRATEGY HERE.
STRATEGY HERE.
IT IS ONE THING TO SAY THE IT IS ONE THING TO SAY THE UNITED STATES THIS IS OUR ROLE UNITED STATES THIS IS OUR ROLE WHAT WEORLD AND THIS IS WHAT WEORLD AND THIS IS ARE GOING TO DO, I'M PRESIDENT, ARE GOING TO DO, I'M PRESIDENT, HERE IS MY OUT AND HERE IS MY OUT AND STRATEGY GOING FORWARD.
STRATEGY GOING FORWARD.
THAT HAS NEVER BEEN PUT TO THE THAT HAS NEVER BEEN PUT TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.
AMERICAN PUBLIC.
LOOK AS SCATTER SHOT AS LOOK AS SCATTER SHOT AS IT FEELS.
IT FEELS.
THE REASON THE PRESIDENT'S THE REASON THE PRESIDENT'S RATING IS 36% IN RATING IS 36% IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS, FOR PEOPLE THAT FOREIGN AFFAIRS, FOR PEOPLE THAT WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE REGION, EVERYTHING IS THE REGION, EVERYTHING IS FALLING APART AND WHETHER OR NOT FALLING APART AND WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE A ROLE IN IT THE WE HAVE A ROLE IN IT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE AT LEAST PRESIDENT SHOULD BE AT LEAST TELLING US WHEN WE ARE GOING TO TELLING US WHEN WE ARE GOING TO DO, WHY HE WOULD NEED TO BE DO, WHY HE WOULD NEED TO BE THERE.
THERE.
FACES DO I THINK THEY BECOME FACES DO I THINK THEY BECOME COMPELLING BUT THEY JUST I THINK COMPELLING BUT THEY JUST I THINK ALL BLEND TOGETHER.
ALL BLEND TOGETHER.
SAID, WHEN VOW A PUBLIC -- SAID, WHEN VOW A PUBLIC -- WHEN YOU HAVE A PUBLIC THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A PUBLIC THAT THE PRESIDENT WE THE PRESIDENT WE DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED HERE DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED HERE BUT HE THEY ARE ALSO SAYING WE BUT HE THEY ARE ALSO SAYING WE HOME.O MANY TROUBLES AT HOME.O MANY TROUBLES AT CAN'T WE FOCUS ON THIS FIRST?
CAN'T WE FOCUS ON THIS FIRST?
IS WHAT GOT US OFFTRACK IN IS WHAT GOT US OFFTRACK IN THE FIRST PLACE.
THE FIRST PLACE.
>> THERE IS NOT A CLEAR BAD GUY >> THERE IS NOT A CLEAR BAD GUY IN ALL OF THIS.
IN ALL OF THIS.
WE ARE NOW INVOLVED IN THE WE ARE NOW INVOLVED IN THE CONFLICTS INVOLVING THE NONSTATE CONFLICTS INVOLVING THE NONSTATE ACTORS LIKE HAMAS IN THE MIDDLE ACTORS LIKE HAMAS IN THE MIDDLE EAST OR LIKE ISIS IN IRAQ.
EAST OR LIKE ISIS IN IRAQ.
AND I WONDER IF THAT ALSO AND I WONDER IF THAT ALSO THIS MORE UNTIDY THIS MORE UNTIDY BUT ALSOIRAQ, BUT ALSOIRAQ, AFGHANISTAN.
AFGHANISTAN.
ALSO THESE PLACES WE HOPE THAT ALSO THESE PLACES WE HOPE THAT THE POLITICAL SYSTEM WOULD STEP THE POLITICAL SYSTEM WOULD STEP US FROM FURTHER US FROM FURTHER INTERVENTION.
INTERVENTION.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT.
INSTANCE WHEN WE INSTANCE WHEN WE WENT TO IRAQ THERE WAS SADDAM WENT TO IRAQ THERE WAS SADDAM VILIFIED HIM PROPERLY AND VILIFIED HIM PROPERLY AND JUSTIFIABLY.
JUSTIFIABLY.
AND THEN THERE WAS OSAMA BIN AND THEN THERE WAS OSAMA BIN LADEN.
LADEN.
I THINK ISIS IS A NEW GROUP.
I THINK ISIS IS A NEW GROUP.
SURPRISED IF THERE SURPRISED IF THERE ARE A LOT OF AMERICANS WHO ARE A LOT OF AMERICANS WHO WHATT TOTALLY CLEAR ON WHATT TOTALLY CLEAR ON ISIS IS.
ISIS IS.
IS IT AL-QAEDA?
IS IT AL-QAEDA?
IS IT DIFFERENT?
IS IT DIFFERENT?
>> I DO THINK -- >> I DO THINK -- GWEN: I WOULD DESCRIBE IT AS GWEN: I WOULD DESCRIBE IT AS WORSE.
WORSE.
>> -- I HEARD IT TEE SCRIBED AS >> -- I HEARD IT TEE SCRIBED AS WORSE.
WORSE.
A SKIS MANY BETWEEN A SKIS MANY BETWEEN ISIS AND AL-QAEDA BECAUSE THEY ISIS AND AL-QAEDA BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE YOU GUYS ARE A LITTLE FELT LIKE YOU GUYS ARE A LITTLE OF CONTROL YOU HAVE TO CALM OF CONTROL YOU HAVE TO CALM DOWN, IT IS DISTURBING THAT THE DOWN, IT IS DISTURBING THAT THE OFS' LEADER BELIEVED IN KIND OFS' LEADER BELIEVED IN KIND KILLING MUCH MORE IF YOU CAN KILLING MUCH MORE IF YOU CAN ANDEVE IT WANTONLY ANDEVE IT WANTONLY RAMPANTLY THAN THE AL-QAEDA RAMPANTLY THAN THE AL-QAEDA LEADERS THOUGHT WAS APPROPRIATE.
LEADERS THOUGHT WAS APPROPRIATE.
WOULD SAY ON THE WOULD SAY ON THE FLIPSIDE THAT THE STORY WAS A FLIPSIDE THAT THE STORY WAS A PRESIDENT TO ALMOST PRESIDENT TO ALMOST I DON'T WANT TO BE GLIB ABOUT IT I DON'T WANT TO BE GLIB ABOUT IT BUT TO SELL THIS INTERVENTION TO BUT TO SELL THIS INTERVENTION TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.
THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.
RATHER THAN AN ABSTRACT CONCEPT RATHER THAN AN ABSTRACT CONCEPT AVERAGES AND YOU THE AVERAGES AND YOU THE AMERICAN MAY NOT BE CLEAR ON WHO AMERICAN MAY NOT BE CLEAR ON WHO ARE.ARE AND WHERE THEY ARE.ARE AND WHERE THEY THERE ARE CHILDREN DYING OEN A THERE ARE CHILDREN DYING OEN A MOUNTAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE MOUNTAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE FANATICS WHOHOSE FANATICS WHOHOSE ARE GOING TO KILL THEM IF THEY ARE GOING TO KILL THEM IF THEY COME DOWN.
COME DOWN.
HAVE HAD A GOOD HAVE HAD A GOOD DAY WHEN IT CAME TO AFGHANISTAN DAY WHEN IT CAME TO AFGHANISTAN BECAUSE THEY GOT THE TWO WARRING BECAUSE THEY GOT THE TWO WARRING PRESIDENTS TO SHAKE HANDS AND PRESIDENTS TO SHAKE HANDS AND SAY WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT.
SAY WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT.
THAT IS GOOD NEWS, RIGHT?
THAT IS GOOD NEWS, RIGHT?
AT THE SAME TIME EVERYBODY IS AT THE SAME TIME EVERYBODY IS INKING AWAY FROM THE TABLE INKING AWAY FROM THE TABLE CAIRO WHERE THEY WERE TRILING TO CAIRO WHERE THEY WERE TRILING TO CEASE FIRESUSTAINED CEASE FIRESUSTAINED BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS OR THE BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS OR THE PALESTINIANS REPRESENTING HAMAS PALESTINIANS REPRESENTING HAMAS THEAMAS REPRESENTING THEAMAS REPRESENTING PALESTINIANS.
PALESTINIANS.
ON BALANCE, IS IT CRITICAL OR ON BALANCE, IS IT CRITICAL OR LIKELY THAT EITHER OF THESE LIKELY THAT EITHER OF THESE THINGS WORK THEMSELVES OUT?
THINGS WORK THEMSELVES OUT?
ALL?IT MATTER AT ALL?IT MATTER AT >> WOW.
>> WOW.
GWEN: FOR THE U.S. GWEN: FOR THE U.S.
THE UNITED STATES THE UNITED STATES CERTAINLY WHETHER THAT CAN BE CERTAINLY WHETHER THAT CAN BE WORK OUT IN AFGHANISTAN IS WORK OUT IN AFGHANISTAN IS CRITICAL TO WHETHER AFGHANISTAN CRITICAL TO WHETHER AFGHANISTAN IS YEAR FROM NOW LOOKS LIKE IRAQ IS YEAR FROM NOW LOOKS LIKE IRAQ LOOKS NOW AFTER THE UNITED LOOKS NOW AFTER THE UNITED STATES PULLS OUT ITS LAST STATES PULLS OUT ITS LAST TROOPS.
TROOPS.
THAT IS CRATEAND YOU END UP WITH THAT IS CRATEAND YOU END UP WITH A COUNTER TERRORISM THERE.
A COUNTER TERRORISM THERE.
ISSUES THAT WERE ISSUES THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SETTLED IN THE SUPPOSED TO BE SETTLED IN THE OR MORE.AZA A WEEK AGO OR MORE.AZA A WEEK AGO IN THE CASE OF AFGHANISTAN, A IN THE CASE OF AFGHANISTAN, A MONTH AGO.
MONTH AGO.
AND JOHN KERRY IS, YOU KNOW, AND JOHN KERRY IS, YOU KNOW, TROUBLEG ALL OVER THOSE TROUBLEG ALL OVER THOSE SPOTS ALL OVER THE WORLD PUTTING SPOTS ALL OVER THE WORLD PUTTING DYKE AFTERINTO ONE DEMOCRAT DYKE AFTERINTO ONE DEMOCRAT MOREER AND THERE ARE MOREER AND THERE ARE CRISES THAN WE HAVE SECRETARIES CRISES THAN WE HAVE SECRETARIES OF STATE.
OF STATE.
GWEN: THE POLLS SHOW THAT PEOPLE GWEN: THE POLLS SHOW THAT PEOPLE SUPPORTIVE OF ISRAEL AND OUR SUPPORTIVE OF ISRAEL AND OUR SIDING WITH ISRAEL IN THIS.
SIDING WITH ISRAEL IN THIS.
THEL, THERE ARE -- EVEN AS THEL, THERE ARE -- EVEN AS U.S. HAS GOTTEN HARSHER IN ITS U.S. HAS GOTTEN HARSHER IN ITS CRITICISM.
CRITICISM.
>> IN SEEING SOME POLLS THERE IS >> IN SEEING SOME POLLS THERE IS GENERATIONALA GENERATIONALA SPLIT, TOO, WITH YOUNGER SPLIT, TOO, WITH YOUNGER QUITE AS NOT BEING QUOTE AS QUITE AS NOT BEING QUOTE AS SUPPORTIVE OF ISRAELIS.
SUPPORTIVE OF ISRAELIS.
PUTTING FACESOF PUTTING FACESOF ON IT WHEN THERE IS DEATH AND ON IT WHEN THERE IS DEATH AND DESTRUCTION THERE ARE A LOT OF DESTRUCTION THERE ARE A LOT OF WE ARE SEEINGHO WE ARE SEEINGHO ON TELEVISION.
ON TELEVISION.
WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO MOST WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO MOST ARE A WHOLE THERE ARE A WHOLE THERE BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN TROUBLE AND BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN TROUBLE AND BY THE WAY, WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED BY THE WAY, WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON THE FORECAST THERE IS ANOTHER ON THE FORECAST THERE IS ANOTHER CRISIS ON OUR CRISIS ON OUR BORDER WHICH IS KIDS COMING UP BORDER WHICH IS KIDS COMING UP DO WE DO AND NOW WHAT DO WE DO AND NOW WHAT WITH THOSE WITH THE VIOLENCE WITH THOSE WITH THE VIOLENCE THERE?
THERE?
AND YOU ARE SEEING THE PUBLIC AND YOU ARE SEEING THE PUBLIC WE SHOULD DO WITH WE SHOULD DO WITH THESE, AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THEY THESE, AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE CHILDREN, SHOULD WE REALLY ARE CHILDREN, SHOULD WE REALLY INTO THE UNITED INTO THE UNITED STATES WHETHER THEY ARE ESCAPING STATES WHETHER THEY ARE ESCAPING NOT?NCE OR NOT?NCE OR GWEN: IS THERE EVER -- HAS THERE GWEN: IS THERE EVER -- HAS THERE CASE WHERE PERSON CASE WHERE PERSON POLICY HELPS A PRESIDENT?
POLICY HELPS A PRESIDENT?
WHETHER IT IS GOING TO WAR, WHETHER IT IS GOING TO WAR, STAYING OUT OF WAR, TRYING TO STAYING OUT OF WAR, TRYING TO IN COUNTRIESUTIONS IN COUNTRIESUTIONS OTHER THAN OUR OWN WHERE THERE OTHER THAN OUR OWN WHERE THERE IS NOT A DIRECT WHATEVER HOW YOU IS NOT A DIRECT WHATEVER HOW YOU WOULD DEFINE THAT, DIRECT U.S. WOULD DEFINE THAT, DIRECT U.S. INTEREST?
INTEREST?
>> GEORGE H.W.
BUSH AT THE END >> GEORGE H.W.
BUSH AT THE END GULF WAR FOR A REELECTION.
GULF WAR FOR A REELECTION.
THE ECONOMY UNDERCUT HIS THE ECONOMY UNDERCUT HIS SUCCESS.
SUCCESS.
>> THAT WAR.
>> THAT WAR.
>> THERE WAS ANOTHER PIECE OF >> THERE WAS ANOTHER PIECE OF THE, TOO, THOUGH, WHICH IS THE, TOO, THOUGH, WHICH IS SECOND TERM IS TRADITIONALLY ONE SECOND TERM IS TRADITIONALLY ONE WHERE THE PRESIDENT SAYS I GOT WHERE THE PRESIDENT SAYS I GOT STUFF DONE AND STUFF DONE AND ALREADY MEASURING THE DRAPES FOR ALREADY MEASURING THE DRAPES FOR THE NEXT PRESIDENT I WILL FOCUS THE NEXT PRESIDENT I WILL FOCUS THIS ISGN POLICY THIS ISGN POLICY SOMETHING I CAN DO WITHOUT SOMETHING I CAN DO WITHOUT CONGRESS.
CONGRESS.
THE HITCLINTON OUT OF THE HITCLINTON OUT OF OF IMPEACHMENT AND SCANDAL OF IMPEACHMENT AND SCANDAL INTERVENTIONS IN THE INTERVENTIONS IN THE BALKANS.
BALKANS.
>> AND ISRAEL.
>> AND ISRAEL.
CLOSE TO A CLOSE TO A NUCLEAR ARMS TALKS WITH THE NUCLEAR ARMS TALKS WITH THE THE END OF THE THE END OF THE SOVIET UNION.
SOVIET UNION.
GWEN: THOSE WERE POSITIVE AND GWEN: THOSE WERE POSITIVE AND SECOND TERM.
SECOND TERM.
IT FELT LIKE THEY WERE IT FELT LIKE THEY WERE DICTATING THE TERMS HERE IS WHAT DICTATING THE TERMS HERE IS WHAT I WANT TO GET DONE.
I WANT TO GET DONE.
A FIRE HOSE OF A FIRE HOSE OF ISSUES COMING AT ME I WANT TO ISSUES COMING AT ME I WANT TO GET THROUGH THEM AND GET BACK TO GET THROUGH THEM AND GET BACK TO CAME TO DO IN I CAME TO DO IN I THE FIRST PLACE.
THE FIRST PLACE.
>> THE CHALLENGE THAT PRESIDENT >> THE CHALLENGE THAT PRESIDENT HEMA FACES IS ONE THE THINGS HEMA FACES IS ONE THE THINGS IS ARGUING IS THAT THE UNITED IS ARGUING IS THAT THE UNITED ACCEPT A WORLD WHERE ACCEPT A WORLD WHERE OUTCOMES AREN'T PERFECT AND THE OUTCOMES AREN'T PERFECT AND THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T INTERVENE UNITED STATES DOESN'T INTERVENE IN EVERY TIME.
IN EVERY TIME.
HE SAYS THIS WE MUST LIVE HE SAYS THIS WE MUST LIVE IN UNCERTAINTY AND THAT LEADS TO IN UNCERTAINTY AND THAT LEADS TO PLACE AFTER PLACE PLACE AFTER PLACE AFTER PLACE AND COUNTRIES IN AFTER PLACE AND COUNTRIES IN SOME CASES THE UNITED STATES HAS SOME CASES THE UNITED STATES HAS CASESED BILLIONS IN THE CASESED BILLIONS IN THE OF IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN IT OF IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN IT UNDERCUTS THE ARGUMENT, THAT IS UNDERCUTS THE ARGUMENT, THAT IS MOSTNITED STATES OR MOSTNITED STATES OR AMERICANS THAT YOU TALK TO WANT AMERICANS THAT YOU TALK TO WANT INDISPENSABLEE INDISPENSABLEE NATION AND MAYBE NOT GIVE THE NATION AND MAYBE NOT GIVE THE RESOURCES THIS THESE KINDS OF RESOURCES THIS THESE KINDS OF PROBLEMS DEMAND.
PROBLEMS DEMAND.
THE OBAMA ARGUMENT IS DIFFERENT THE OBAMA ARGUMENT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HEARD FROM OTHERS THAN WHAT WE HEARD FROM OTHERS PAST.
PAST.
GWEN: NOT MUCH OF A DOCTRINE GWEN: NOT MUCH OF A DOCTRINE USE TO THE UNTIDINESS USE TO THE UNTIDINESS OF IT.
OF IT.
>> I WAS SPEAKING TO SOMEONE >> I WAS SPEAKING TO SOMEONE EMBASSY TODAY WHO SAID EMBASSY TODAY WHO SAID WE ARE JUST NOT USED TO AN WE ARE JUST NOT USED TO AN AMERICA THIS IS NOT CONFIDENT AMERICA THIS IS NOT CONFIDENT WAS AN INTERESTING WAS AN INTERESTING MESSAGE.
MESSAGE.
THAT IS THE FEELING THAT THEY THAT IS THE FEELING THAT THEY JUSTETTING OVERSEAS IS WE JUSTETTING OVERSEAS IS WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE ANXIOUS ARE NOT -- WE ARE ANXIOUS INTERNALLY.
INTERNALLY.
ALL THESE DOMESTIC PROBLEMS WITH ALL THESE DOMESTIC PROBLEMS WITH THINGS NOT GETTING THINGS NOT GETTING TON BUT ALSO WE ARE PROJECTING A TON BUT ALSO WE ARE PROJECTING A CONFIDENCE.
CONFIDENCE.
>> AND ABOUT YOU WANTED TO TIE >> AND ABOUT YOU WANTED TO TIE AROUND WHAT THE AROUND WHAT THE OBAMA STRATEGY IS AND PEOPLE OBAMA STRATEGY IS AND PEOPLE FEEL IT IS IN COHEIR RENT.
FEEL IT IS IN COHEIR RENT.
ENTIRELY BUT IT IS ENTIRELY BUT IT IS DOING LESS.
DOING LESS.
IT IS LIMITS.
IT IS LIMITS.
LIMITS ON AMERICAN POWER.
LIMITS ON AMERICAN POWER.
ENGAGEMENTMERICAN ENGAGEMENTMERICAN AND THE WORLD AND THE AMERICAN AND THE WORLD AND THE AMERICAN VOTERS AREN'T REALLY USED TO VOTERS AREN'T REALLY USED TO THAT.
THAT.
THEIMITING IS NOT ONE OF THEIMITING IS NOT ONE OF THINGS YOU WANT TO HEAR.
THINGS YOU WANT TO HEAR.
WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THIS WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THIS MORE TOTHERE IS SO MUCH MORE TOTHERE IS SO MUCH SAY.
SAY.
WE HAVE TO LEAVE TONIGHT A FEW WE HAVE TO LEAVE TONIGHT A FEW GIVE YOU ALY TO GOVERNOR YO GIVE YOU ALY TO GOVERNOR YO CHANCE TO SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL PBS CHANCE TO SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL PBS STATION.
STATION.
WE SEND CONDOLENCES TO SARA WE SEND CONDOLENCES TO SARA BRADY.
BRADY.
THE WIDOW OF JAMES BRADY.
THE WIDOW OF JAMES BRADY.
HE WAS GRAVELY WOUNDED AND WENT HE WAS GRAVELY WOUNDED AND WENT CAMPAIGNERE A TOUGH CAMPAIGNERE A TOUGH FOR GUN CONTROL.
FOR GUN CONTROL.
TODAY, 33 YEARS AFTER THAT TODAY, 33 YEARS AFTER THAT RULED A HIS DEATH WAS OWLE RULED A HIS DEATH WAS OWLE HOMICIDE AS A RESULT OF THE HOMICIDE AS A RESULT OF THE ATTACK OF THAT DAY.
ATTACK OF THAT DAY.
THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS BRIEFING THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS BRIEFING ROOM IS NAMED AFTER HIM.
ROOM IS NAMED AFTER HIM.
WERE D AONE FOR NOW.
WERE D AONE FOR NOW.
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