GWEN: CRISES ON EVERY FRONT FROM UKRAINE TO ISRAEL, FROM GAZA TO UKRAINE TO ISRAEL, FROM GAZA TO THE AMERICAN BORDER.
THE AMERICAN BORDER.
MULTIPLE DILEMMAS.
MULTIPLE DILEMMAS.
NO SOLUTION IN SIGHT.
NO SOLUTION IN SIGHT.
WE TACKLE THEM ALL ON WE TACKLE THEM ALL ON "WASHINGTON WEEK"."
"WASHINGTON WEEK"."
TONIGHT A CEASE-FIRE PLAN.
TONIGHT A CEASE-FIRE PLAN.
BUT CAN IT STOPHIS T-- BUT CAN IT STOPHIS T-- >> WE HAVE TO RYE TO DO OUR BEST >> WE HAVE TO RYE TO DO OUR BEST TO MINIMIZE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES TO MINIMIZE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES BUT WE CANNOT GIVE OUR ATTACKERS BUT WE CANNOT GIVE OUR ATTACKERS IMMUNITY OR IMPUNITY.
IMMUNITY OR IMPUNITY.
>> WHAT HAPPENS IN GAZA DURING >> WHAT HAPPENS IN GAZA DURING THE LAST 10 DAYS IS NOTHING BUT THE LAST 10 DAYS IS NOTHING BUT A MASSACRE.
A MASSACRE.
GWEN: IN THE MALAYSIA SHOOTDOWN, GWEN: IN THE MALAYSIA SHOOTDOWN, THERE'S PLANETTY OF BLAINL TO GO THERE'S PLANETTY OF BLAINL TO GO AROUND.
AROUND.
>> RUSSIA WILL ONLY ISOLATE >> RUSSIA WILL ONLY ISOLATE ITSELF FROM THE INTERNATIONAL ITSELF FROM THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.
COMMUNITY.
>> PUTIN MAY ACTUALLY LIGHT A >> PUTIN MAY ACTUALLY LIGHT A FIRE THAT HE LOSES CONTROL OF.
FIRE THAT HE LOSES CONTROL OF.
GWEN: BUT NO CLAIM OF GWEN: BUT NO CLAIM OF RESPONSIBILITY.
RESPONSIBILITY.
WHILE AT HOME THE MIGRANT CRISIS WHILE AT HOME THE MIGRANT CRISIS AT THE BORDER CONTINUES TO AT THE BORDER CONTINUES TO BUILD.
BUILD.
WHAT IS CONGRESS OR THE WHAT IS CONGRESS OR THE WASHINGTON PREPARED TO DO?
WASHINGTON PREPARED TO DO?
COVERING THE WEEK PETER BAKER OF COVERING THE WEEK PETER BAKER OF "NEW YORK TIMES."
"NEW YORK TIMES."
"LOS MCMANUS OF THE "LOS MCMANUS OF THE ANGELES TIMES."
ANGELES TIMES."
NANCIES YOU RECEIVE OF NANCIES YOU RECEIVE OF "MCCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS."
"MCCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS."
AND ED O'KEEFE OF "THE AND ED O'KEEFE OF "THE WASHINGTON POST."
WASHINGTON POST."
>> COVERING HISTORY AS IT >> COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS, LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S HAPPENS, LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL."
MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
IF IT WERE ONLY JUST ONE IF IT WERE ONLY JUST ONE PROBLEM.
PROBLEM.
THINK ABOUT IT.
THINK ABOUT IT.
WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST, BLOOD IN WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST, BLOOD IN THE SUN FLOWER FIELDS OF UKRAINE THE SUN FLOWER FIELDS OF UKRAINE AS CONFLICTS ESCALATES.
AS CONFLICTS ESCALATES.
POLITICAL UNCERTAINTY IN IRAN POLITICAL UNCERTAINTY IN IRAN AND AFGHANISTAN.
AND AFGHANISTAN.
AND ANOTHER VIOLENT WEEK IN AND ANOTHER VIOLENT WEEK IN SYRIA WITH NO RESOLUTIONS IN SYRIA WITH NO RESOLUTIONS IN SIGHT.
SIGHT.
THE CYCLE OF BLAME IS ENDLESS THE CYCLE OF BLAME IS ENDLESS ESPECIALLY AS CASUALTIES ARE IN ESPECIALLY AS CASUALTIES ARE IN MOTORCADES IN THE NETHERLANDS.
MOTORCADES IN THE NETHERLANDS.
THE HOPE FOR SOLUTIONS IN THE THE HOPE FOR SOLUTIONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS TAKING A DEEP MIDDLE EAST IS TAKING A DEEP BREATH.
BREATH.
>> THE ONLY SOLUTION IS AN >> THE ONLY SOLUTION IS AN IMMEDIATE CEASE-FIRE.
IMMEDIATE CEASE-FIRE.
THIS COULD NOT BE MORE URGENT OR THIS COULD NOT BE MORE URGENT OR MORE IMPORTANT GIVEN THE MORE IMPORTANT GIVEN THE DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES OF THE DEVASTATING CONSEQUENCES OF THE VIOLENCE FOR CIVILIAN VIOLENCE FOR CIVILIAN POPULATIONS.
POPULATIONS.
>> THIS WEEK'S DEVELOPMENTS HAVE >> THIS WEEK'S DEVELOPMENTS HAVE CONSUMED LEADERS ON AT LEAST CONSUMED LEADERS ON AT LEAST FOUR CONTINENTS BUT PERHAPS FOUR CONTINENTS BUT PERHAPS NOWHERE AS INTENSELY AS RIGHT NOWHERE AS INTENSELY AS RIGHT HERE IN WASHINGTON.
HERE IN WASHINGTON.
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR SUSAN NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR SUSAN RICE TONIGHT ON "THE NEWS HOUR."
RICE TONIGHT ON "THE NEWS HOUR."
>> IF THERE WAS A MAGIC WAND >> IF THERE WAS A MAGIC WAND THAT ANYBODY COULD WAVE IN THE THAT ANYBODY COULD WAVE IN THE WORLD, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT.
WORLD, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT.
BUT THE UNITED STATES HAS BUT THE UNITED STATES HAS REMAINED THE CRITICAL PLAYER IN REMAINED THE CRITICAL PLAYER IN ALL OF THIS.
ALL OF THIS.
GWEN: THERE BEING NO MAGIC WAND GWEN: THERE BEING NO MAGIC WAND WHERE DOES THE CEASE-FIRE PLAN WHERE DOES THE CEASE-FIRE PLAN AS WHATEVER THERE IS OF IT STAND AS WHATEVER THERE IS OF IT STAND TONIGHT, NANCY?
TONIGHT, NANCY?
>> WELL, AFTER A VERY VIOLENT >> WELL, AFTER A VERY VIOLENT WEEK IN GAZA AFTER OFFENSIVE -- WEEK IN GAZA AFTER OFFENSIVE -- GROUND OFFENSIVE BY ISRAEL THAT GROUND OFFENSIVE BY ISRAEL THAT LED AND CONTRIBUTED TO A LED AND CONTRIBUTED TO A UNTING DEATH TOLL WITH 800 UNTING DEATH TOLL WITH 800 PALESTINIANS, 38 ISRAELIS.
PALESTINIANS, 38 ISRAELIS.
THERE REMAINS A CEASE-FIRE A THERE REMAINS A CEASE-FIRE A 46 HOUR -- 12-HOUR ONE BY MA 46 HOUR -- 12-HOUR ONE BY MA MASS AND ISRAEL.
MASS AND ISRAEL.
IT CAME AFTER AN EXHAUSTIVE IT CAME AFTER AN EXHAUSTIVE EFFORT WHICH BEGAN ON MONDAY EFFORT WHICH BEGAN ON MONDAY WHICH BEGAN WITH HOPES OF A WHICH BEGAN WITH HOPES OF A BROORDER CEASE-FIRE BY THE END BROORDER CEASE-FIRE BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
OF THE WEEK.
SEEMS ALL PARTIES ARE RELIEVED SEEMS ALL PARTIES ARE RELIEVED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO ONE THAT TO BE ABLE TO GET TO ONE THAT WILL LAST FOR A FEW HOURS WILL LAST FOR A FEW HOURS BEGINNING AT 7:00 A.M. LOCAL BEGINNING AT 7:00 A.M. LOCAL TIME, JUST A FEW HOURS FROM NOW.
TIME, JUST A FEW HOURS FROM NOW.
GWEN: PETER, THERE'S A CERTAIN GWEN: PETER, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRANCE GENT.
AMOUNT OF TRANCE GENT.
PEOPLE THAT HAVE DUMPED THEIR PEOPLE THAT HAVE DUMPED THEIR HEELS AND NOT DIGGING THEIR WAY HEELS AND NOT DIGGING THEIR WAY OUT.
OUT.
IN THE CASE OF ISRAEL AND GAZA, IN THE CASE OF ISRAEL AND GAZA, IT IS ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF IT IS ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF THESE TUNNELS.
THESE TUNNELS.
THEY'RE CONSIDERED AN THEY'RE CONSIDERED AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT BY ISRAEL AND EXISTENTIAL THREAT BY ISRAEL AND THEY'RE CONSIDERED A WAY TO GET THEY'RE CONSIDERED A WAY TO GET AROUND A PUNISHING BLOCKADE BY AROUND A PUNISHING BLOCKADE BY THE PALESTINIANS IN GAZA.
THE PALESTINIANS IN GAZA.
IS THERE A WAY THROUGH THAT?
IS THERE A WAY THROUGH THAT?
>> WELL, THAT'S THE THING ABOUT >> WELL, THAT'S THE THING ABOUT THE CEASE-FIRE THAT'S SO THE CEASE-FIRE THAT'S SO DISCOURAGING FOR ANYBODY WHO DISCOURAGING FOR ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LONGER PEACE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LONGER PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
IT'S 12 HOURS.
IT'S 12 HOURS.
IT'S NOT DEALING WITH ANY OF THE IT'S NOT DEALING WITH ANY OF THE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES THAT ARE AT FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES THAT ARE AT THE HEART OF THIS.
THE HEART OF THIS.
THIS IS SIMPLY PUT DOWN YOUR THIS IS SIMPLY PUT DOWN YOUR ARMS FOR A LITTLE BIT AND WE'LL ARMS FOR A LITTLE BIT AND WE'LL SEE THEN IF WE CAN SIT DOWN AND SEE THEN IF WE CAN SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THE BIGGER ISSUES.
TALK ABOUT THE BIGGER ISSUES.
IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE WHAT YOU IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE WHAT YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH IN 12 HOURS CAN ACCOMPLISH IN 12 HOURS TOWARD THAT GOAL.
TOWARD THAT GOAL.
THEY SEE THE WORLD WITH VERY THEY SEE THE WORLD WITH VERY FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT EYES AND FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT EYES AND EACH ONE IS ACTUALLY CONVINCED EACH ONE IS ACTUALLY CONVINCED OF THEIR VICTIMHOOD AND THE NEED OF THEIR VICTIMHOOD AND THE NEED TO CONTINUE ON THE COURSE THAT TO CONTINUE ON THE COURSE THAT THEY'RE GOING.
THEY'RE GOING.
IN THE PROCESS A LOT OF INNOCENT IN THE PROCESS A LOT OF INNOCENT PEOPLE GET HURT.
PEOPLE GET HURT.
GWEN: SO DOYLE, WHERE IS THE GWEN: SO DOYLE, WHERE IS THE U.S.
IN ALL OF THIS, NOT ONLY IN U.S.
IN ALL OF THIS, NOT ONLY IN GAZA BUT IN UKRAINE AND RUSSIA GAZA BUT IN UKRAINE AND RUSSIA AND ALL THE OTHER PLACES?
AND ALL THE OTHER PLACES?
THE U.S. IS ALWAYS CENTRAL FOR THE U.S. IS ALWAYS CENTRAL FOR THE BREAKTHROUGH BUT OFTEN ON THE BREAKTHROUGH BUT OFTEN ON THE LOSING END OF ANY EFFORT.
THE LOSING END OF ANY EFFORT.
>> THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE >> THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW.
SUSAN RICE WAS RIGHT WHEN SHE SUSAN RICE WAS RIGHT WHEN SHE SAID THE UNITED STATES IS STILL SAID THE UNITED STATES IS STILL THE INDISPENSABLE POWER.
THE INDISPENSABLE POWER.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE BITS OF CHAOS IS THE DIFFICULT BITS OF CHAOS IS THE DIFFICULT THE UNITED STATES HAS IN MAKING THE UNITED STATES HAS IN MAKING ANY HEADWAY.
ANY HEADWAY.
SO YES, JOHN KERRY WAS OUT THERE SO YES, JOHN KERRY WAS OUT THERE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A ONE-WEEK CEASE-FIRE.
ONE-WEEK CEASE-FIRE.
REMARKABLY ENOUGH BOTH ISRAEL REMARKABLY ENOUGH BOTH ISRAEL AND HAMAS TOLD THEM NO DICE.
AND HAMAS TOLD THEM NO DICE.
THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET VLADIMIR PUTIN TO TRYING TO GET VLADIMIR PUTIN TO BACK OFF THE UKRAINE.
BACK OFF THE UKRAINE.
START WITH THE VERY BASIC ISSUE START WITH THE VERY BASIC ISSUE OF REDUCING THE NUMBER OF OF REDUCING THE NUMBER OF RUSSIAN TROOPS ON UKRAINE'S RUSSIAN TROOPS ON UKRAINE'S BORDER.
BORDER.
INSTEAD PUTIN IS ESCALATING HIS INSTEAD PUTIN IS ESCALATING HIS INVOLVEMENT.
INVOLVEMENT.
REPORTS ATTEND OF THE WEEK OF REPORTS ATTEND OF THE WEEK OF RUSSIAN ARTILLERY FIRE ACROSS RUSSIAN ARTILLERY FIRE ACROSS THE BORDER.
THE BORDER.
THAT'S A DIRECT MILITARY THAT'S A DIRECT MILITARY INTERVENTION.
INTERVENTION.
SO THE SOBERING SIDE OF THAT SO THE SOBERING SIDE OF THAT PICTURE IS THAT IN A WORLD WITH PICTURE IS THAT IN A WORLD WITH LESS TO HOLD IT TOGETHER THAT LESS TO HOLD IT TOGETHER THAT WAS THE CASE BEFORE THE, YOU WAS THE CASE BEFORE THE, YOU KNOW, THE LEVERAGE THE UNITED KNOW, THE LEVERAGE THE UNITED STATES HAS SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN STATES HAS SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN WEAKENED AT WELL.
WEAKENED AT WELL.
GWEN: YOU SAY IT'S REMARKABLE GWEN: YOU SAY IT'S REMARKABLE THAT THE ISRAELIS AND HAMAS THAT THE ISRAELIS AND HAMAS DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF THE DIDN'T TAKE CARE OF THE CEASE-FIRE AGREEMENT.
CEASE-FIRE AGREEMENT.
I MEAN, MIDDLE EAST BEEN I MEAN, MIDDLE EAST BEEN TRAVELING THE WORLD FOR THE PAST TRAVELING THE WORLD FOR THE PAST YEAR AND HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO YEAR AND HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO RESOLVE ANYTHING.
RESOLVE ANYTHING.
I'M CURIOUS FOR ALL THREE OF I'M CURIOUS FOR ALL THREE OF THEM BASED ON WHO YOU TALK TO THEM BASED ON WHO YOU TALK TO HERE IN WASHINGTON AND OVERSEAS.
HERE IN WASHINGTON AND OVERSEAS.
DO PEOPLE THINK HE'S BEEN DO PEOPLE THINK HE'S BEEN EFFECTIVE?
EFFECTIVE?
>> I THINK YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM >> I THINK YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM HE DID THE NERGY -- HE DID THE NERGY -- SUNDAY SHOWS SAYING WE'VE GOT TO SUNDAY SHOWS SAYING WE'VE GOT TO GET OVER THERE.
GET OVER THERE.
SILLY THAT WE'RE NOT HERE.
SILLY THAT WE'RE NOT HERE.
IT WAS SILLY THAT HE DIDN'T HEAR IT WAS SILLY THAT HE DIDN'T HEAR HIS OWN DESCRIPTION OF HIS OWN DESCRIPTION OF RESPONSIBILITY AS SECRETARY OF RESPONSIBILITY AS SECRETARY OF STATE TO GET THERE.
STATE TO GET THERE.
HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED SOME THINGS.
HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED SOME THINGS.
AFGHANISTAN RIGHT NOW HE AFGHANISTAN RIGHT NOW HE BROKERED A DEAL BETWEEN TWO BROKERED A DEAL BETWEEN TWO CANDIDATES WHO BOTH BELIEVE THEY CANDIDATES WHO BOTH BELIEVE THEY WON THE ELECTION THERE AND CAN WON THE ELECTION THERE AND CAN EVOLVE INTO A MUCH MORE EVOLVE INTO A MUCH MORE FRACTIOUS SITUATION.
FRACTIOUS SITUATION.
HE BROKEERED A DEAL TO HAVE A HE BROKEERED A DEAL TO HAVE A UNITY DEAL RIGHT NOW THAT'S UNITY DEAL RIGHT NOW THAT'S HOLDING.
HOLDING.
HE CAN CLAIM FOR THE DEAL FOR HE CAN CLAIM FOR THE DEAL FOR SYRIA TO GIVE UP ITS CHEMICAL SYRIA TO GIVE UP ITS CHEMICAL WEAPONS.
WEAPONS.
BUT HE'S BEEN FRUSTRATED AGAIN BUT HE'S BEEN FRUSTRATED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND HE'S AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND HE'S BEEN THROUGHOUT TRYING.
BEEN THROUGHOUT TRYING.
>> THE ARABS AND THE ISRAELIS, >> THE ARABS AND THE ISRAELIS, HOW DO THEEL CHALLENGES HOW DO THEEL CHALLENGES THE UNITED STATES IS FACING IS THE UNITED STATES IS FACING IS IT'S A WORLD IN THE CASE OF IT'S A WORLD IN THE CASE OF LIBYA AND NIGERIA AND SYRIA AND LIBYA AND NIGERIA AND SYRIA AND IRAQ, EXTREMIST GROUPS ARE IN IRAQ, EXTREMIST GROUPS ARE IN SOME CASES BETTER ON AND BETTER SOME CASES BETTER ON AND BETTER FUNDED THAN THE GOVERNMENT FORS FUNDED THAN THE GOVERNMENT FORS THAT THEY ARE CONFRONTING.
THAT THEY ARE CONFRONTING.
AND HOW YOU NEGOTIATE IN THIS AND HOW YOU NEGOTIATE IN THIS RAPIDLY CHANGING ENVIRONMENT RAPIDLY CHANGING ENVIRONMENT WHERE IT'S NOT STATE TO STATE WHERE IT'S NOT STATE TO STATE ACTOR BUT ARMED POWERFUL ACTOR BUT ARMED POWERFUL EXTREMIST GROUPS I THINK IS THE EXTREMIST GROUPS I THINK IS THE CHALLENGE THAT SECRETARY KERRY CHALLENGE THAT SECRETARY KERRY FACES THAT PAST SECRETARY OF FACES THAT PAST SECRETARY OF STATES HAVE NOT FACED TO THIS STATES HAVE NOT FACED TO THIS DEGREE AND THIS SCALE AND THIS DEGREE AND THIS SCALE AND THIS MANY COUNTRIES BEFORE.
MANY COUNTRIES BEFORE.
>> THE WAY WASHINGTON WORKS IS >> THE WAY WASHINGTON WORKS IS THAT A SECRETARY OF STATE IS THAT A SECRETARY OF STATE IS ONLY AS INFLUENCEABLE AS THE ONLY AS INFLUENCEABLE AS THE AMOUNT OF BACKUP HE'S GETTING AMOUNT OF BACKUP HE'S GETTING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.
FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, IF HE'S GOT A YOU KNOW, IF HE'S GOT A PRESIDENT WHO IS WILLING TO GET PRESIDENT WHO IS WILLING TO GET ON THE PHONE AND WILLING TO PUT ON THE PHONE AND WILLING TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE TABLE, THEN SOMETHING ON THE TABLE, THEN EOPLE WILL BEND.
EOPLE WILL BEND.
WELL, THERE'S AN INCONSISTENT WELL, THERE'S AN INCONSISTENT PATTERN.
PATTERN.
THERE'S SOME ISSUES WHERE THE THERE'S SOME ISSUES WHERE THE WHITE HOUSE HAS SENT JOHN KERRY WHITE HOUSE HAS SENT JOHN KERRY OUT.
OUT.
HIS PEACE TALKS WITH THE HIS PEACE TALKS WITH THE ISRAELIS AND WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL ISRAELIS AND WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL A MODERATE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT.
A MODERATE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT.
ON OTHER ISSUES, AFGHANISTAN, ON OTHER ISSUES, AFGHANISTAN, UKRAINE, THE WHITE HOUSE DOES UKRAINE, THE WHITE HOUSE DOES HAVE A LOT OF MODERATION.
HAVE A LOT OF MODERATION.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT UKRAINE AND >> LET'S TALK ABOUT UKRAINE AND ALL THESE OTHER PLACES YOU'VE ALL THESE OTHER PLACES YOU'VE NAMED, WHICH IS THERE ARE NAMED, WHICH IS THERE ARE DOMESTIC CONCERNS DRIVING SOME DOMESTIC CONCERNS DRIVING SOME OF THE INTRANSIGENTS.
OF THE INTRANSIGENTS.
SO YOU HOPE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE SO YOU HOPE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WILL GIVE YOU A HAND.
WILL GIVE YOU A HAND.
LET'S SAY THE EUROPEANS AND LET'S SAY THE EUROPEANS AND THAT'S NOT HAPPENING EXACTLY.
THAT'S NOT HAPPENING EXACTLY.
>> YOU WERE IN GERMANY NOT TOO >> YOU WERE IN GERMANY NOT TOO LONG AGO.
LONG AGO.
>> IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S >> IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S BEGINNING ON IN UKRAINE, IF YOU BEGINNING ON IN UKRAINE, IF YOU WANT SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA, THAT WANT SANCTIONS ON RUSSIA, THAT MEANS IT'S GOT TO BE EUROPEAN MEANS IT'S GOT TO BE EUROPEAN SANCTIONS.
SANCTIONS.
OUR TRADE WITH RUSSIA IS JUST OUR TRADE WITH RUSSIA IS JUST TOO SMALL.
TOO SMALL.
HERE'S THE PROBLEM, A WHOLE SET HERE'S THE PROBLEM, A WHOLE SET OF PROBLEMS.
OF PROBLEMS.
EUROPE IS 28 COUNTRIES.
EUROPE IS 28 COUNTRIES.
THEY WANT TO MOVE IN LOCK STEP.
THEY WANT TO MOVE IN LOCK STEP.
THEY NEED A CONSENSUS TO DO THEY NEED A CONSENSUS TO DO THAT.
THAT.
THAT MEANS ANY BIG EUROPEAN THAT MEANS ANY BIG EUROPEAN COUNTRY OR A FEW SMALL EUROPEAN COUNTRY OR A FEW SMALL EUROPEAN COUNTRIES CAN SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT COUNTRIES CAN SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THIS.
HAPPY WITH THIS.
WE DON'T WANT TO GO WITH -- THE WE DON'T WANT TO GO WITH -- THE EUROPEANS HAVE A TRIPLE CATCH 22 EUROPEANS HAVE A TRIPLE CATCH 22 IN THAT OK, WHICH SANCTIONS?
IN THAT OK, WHICH SANCTIONS?
THE FRENCH ARE SELLING NAVY THE FRENCH ARE SELLING NAVY SHIPS AND DEFENSE TECHNOLOGY TO SHIPS AND DEFENSE TECHNOLOGY TO RUSSIA.
RUSSIA.
THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT UP.
THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT UP.
THE BRITISH HAVE MONEY COMING THE BRITISH HAVE MONEY COMING AND IN THE REAL ESTATE, LOTS OF AND IN THE REAL ESTATE, LOTS OF ALSSIANS BUYING FANCY RE ALSSIANS BUYING FANCY RE ESTATE AND YOU WANT TO THINK OF ESTATE AND YOU WANT TO THINK OF SOMETHING THAT'S POLITICALLY SOMETHING THAT'S POLITICALLY SENSITIVE AT HOME.
SENSITIVE AT HOME.
TALK ABOUT DEPRESSING THE REAL TALK ABOUT DEPRESSING THE REAL ESTATE MARKET.
ESTATE MARKET.
THE GERMANS GET 40% OF THEIR THE GERMANS GET 40% OF THEIR ENERGY FROM RUSSIA AND ARE ENERGY FROM RUSSIA AND ARE EXCLUSIVELY SENSITIVE TO WHAT'S EXCLUSIVELY SENSITIVE TO WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
GOING ON THERE.
SO GETTING ALL OF THAT TO MOVE SO GETTING ALL OF THAT TO MOVE FORWARD ACTUALLY HAS TAKEN SOME FORWARD ACTUALLY HAS TAKEN SOME PHONE CALLS BY THE PRESIDENT OF PHONE CALLS BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
THE UNITED STATES.
IT IS MOVING FORWARD.
IT IS MOVING FORWARD.
THE EUROPEANS AT THE END OF THIS THE EUROPEANS AT THE END OF THIS WEEK ACTUALLY DID TAKE A STEP TO WEEK ACTUALLY DID TAKE A STEP TO RATCHETED THEIR SANCTIONS TO THE RATCHETED THEIR SANCTIONS TO THE LEVELS THAT THE UNITED STATES LEVELS THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS ESTABLISHED.
HAS ESTABLISHED.
BUT BOY, IT'S LIKE PULLING BUT BOY, IT'S LIKE PULLING TEETH.
TEETH.
>> HE SENT HIS CHIEF OF STAFF >> HE SENT HIS CHIEF OF STAFF AND HIS COUNTER TERRORISM AND HIS COUNTER TERRORISM ADVISOR TO MEET WITH ANGELA ADVISOR TO MEET WITH ANGELA MERKEL TOTH -- ANGELA MERKEL TOTH -- ANGELA RUFFLE FEATHERS.
RUFFLE FEATHERS.
>> THEY'RE MAD AT EACH OTHER.
>> THEY'RE MAD AT EACH OTHER.
AND NOW THE C.I.A.
SPYING WHICH AND NOW THE C.I.A.
SPYING WHICH ANGELA MERKEL WAS UPSET THAT HER ANGELA MERKEL WAS UPSET THAT HER CELL PHONE WAS BEING TAPPED.
CELL PHONE WAS BEING TAPPED.
THEY ARRESTED A GERMAN THEY ARRESTED A GERMAN INTELLIGENCE OFFER FOR SPYING INTELLIGENCE OFFER FOR SPYING FROM THE C.I.A.
FROM THE C.I.A.
SO DENNIS MCDONAGH NOT NORMALLY SO DENNIS MCDONAGH NOT NORMALLY A POSITION THAT DOES A POSITION THAT DOES INTERNATIONAL MISSIONS LIKE THIS INTERNATIONAL MISSIONS LIKE THIS PERSONALLY WITH ANGELA MERKEL TO PERSONALLY WITH ANGELA MERKEL TO TRY TO SMOOTH IT OVER.
TRY TO SMOOTH IT OVER.
BUT THEY NEED HER TO BE IN LOCK BUT THEY NEED HER TO BE IN LOCK STEP.
STEP.
THEY'VE ALL COME TO A CRESCENDO THEY'VE ALL COME TO A CRESCENDO AT THIS VERY MOMENT.
AT THIS VERY MOMENT.
WE'RE UPSET WITH EGYPT BECAUSE WE'RE UPSET WITH EGYPT BECAUSE THEY HAD A MILITARY COUPE.
THEY HAD A MILITARY COUPE.
BUT WE NEED EGYPT TO WORK WITH BUT WE NEED EGYPT TO WORK WITH HAMAS TO GET THEM TO BACK OFF.
HAMAS TO GET THEM TO BACK OFF.
WE ARE KIND OF ON THE SAME SIDE WE ARE KIND OF ON THE SAME SIDE IN IRAQ AGAINST THE REBELS IN IRAQ AGAINST THE REBELS THERE.
THERE.
>> THERE'S THE EGYPT ONE BUT >> THERE'S THE EGYPT ONE BUT THERE'S ALSO TURKEY WHERE THE THERE'S ALSO TURKEY WHERE THE PRESIDENT, THIS PRIME MINISTER PRESIDENT, THIS PRIME MINISTER DECIDED TO SAY THIS WEEK THAT I DECIDED TO SAY THIS WEEK THAT I DON'T REALLY TALK TO BARACK DON'T REALLY TALK TO BARACK OBAMA ANYMORE.
OBAMA ANYMORE.
HE'S GOT HIS INTERNAL DOMESTIC HE'S GOT HIS INTERNAL DOMESTIC REASONS AS WELL.
REASONS AS WELL.
>> WE SAW THIS WEEK IN THE >> WE SAW THIS WEEK IN THE EFFORT TO REACH A CEASE-FIRE EFFORT TO REACH A CEASE-FIRE BETWEEN HAMAS AND ISRAEL.
BETWEEN HAMAS AND ISRAEL.
NOT JUST EGYPT BUT QATAR AND NOT JUST EGYPT BUT QATAR AND TURKEY AND BEING TO LEVERAGE AND TURKEY AND BEING TO LEVERAGE AND INFLUENCE.
INFLUENCE.
THE PROBLEM IS IN THE CASE OF THE PROBLEM IS IN THE CASE OF THAT PARTICULAR CONFLICT, EGYPT THAT PARTICULAR CONFLICT, EGYPT CONTROLS THE BORDER CROSSING CONTROLS THE BORDER CROSSING THAT HAMAS HAS ASKED TO OPEN TO THAT HAMAS HAS ASKED TO OPEN TO HELP BREAK THE ECONOMIC BLOCKADE HELP BREAK THE ECONOMIC BLOCKADE SO OTHER COUNTRIES MAY BE SO OTHER COUNTRIES MAY BE INVOLVED AND CAN HAVE SOME INVOLVED AND CAN HAVE SOME INFLUENCE BUT THEY CAN'T HAVE INFLUENCE BUT THEY CAN'T HAVE THE KIND OF LEVERAGE THAT EGYPT THE KIND OF LEVERAGE THAT EGYPT HAS TRADITIONALLY HAD AND HAS TRADITIONALLY HAD AND ABSENCE HAS FELT THIS WEEK ABSENCE HAS FELT THIS WEEK BECAUSE EGYPT WAS NOT IN THE BECAUSE EGYPT WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO BE A BROKER BETWEEN POSITION TO BE A BROKER BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES WHICH DOESN'T THE UNITED STATES WHICH DOESN'T RECOGNIZE OR TALK TO HAMAS AND RECOGNIZE OR TALK TO HAMAS AND ISRAEL.
ISRAEL.
AND THAT GAP WAS VERY AND THAT GAP WAS VERY NOTICEABLE.
NOTICEABLE.
THEY DECLARED THE MUSLIM THEY DECLARED THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD A TERRORIST BROTHERHOOD A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
ORGANIZATION.
IT'S BEEN A COMPLETE 180 SINCE IT'S BEEN A COMPLETE 180 SINCE THE NOVEMBER 2012 NEGOTIATIONS.
THE NOVEMBER 2012 NEGOTIATIONS.
>> YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT >> YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SECRETARY KERRY IN PARIS.
SECRETARY KERRY IN PARIS.
HE'S GOING TO TRY TO RALLY HE'S GOING TO TRY TO RALLY SUPPORT PRIMARILY FOR THE MIDDLE SUPPORT PRIMARILY FOR THE MIDDLE EAST SITUATION.
EAST SITUATION.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OUTRAGE AFTER THIS PLANE CRASH.
OUTRAGE AFTER THIS PLANE CRASH.
HOW LONG DOES THAT HAVE TO BE HOW LONG DOES THAT HAVE TO BE SUSTAINED?
SUSTAINED?
AND DOES THE U.S. HAVE TO KEEP AND DOES THE U.S. HAVE TO KEEP THEM OUTRAGED TO PUT MORE THEM OUTRAGED TO PUT MORE PRESSURE ON RUSSIA AND EVERYBODY PRESSURE ON RUSSIA AND EVERYBODY -- -- GWEN: I THINK EVERYONE HAS GWEN: I THINK EVERYONE HAS WRITTEN OR SAID THAT THE MA WRITTEN OR SAID THAT THE MA -- MALAYSIA IS GOING TO -- MALAYSIA IS GOING TO TURN THE CORNER.
TURN THE CORNER.
>> IT MAY BE HAPPENING.
>> IT MAY BE HAPPENING.
THOSE ECONOMIC INTERESTS ARE THOSE ECONOMIC INTERESTS ARE STILL THERE.
STILL THERE.
LET'S TAKE THE CASE OF THE LET'S TAKE THE CASE OF THE NETHERLANDS WHICH SUFFERED A NETHERLANDS WHICH SUFFERED A HORRIBLE LOSS, LOOK 200 PEOPLE HORRIBLE LOSS, LOOK 200 PEOPLE FROM THE NETHERLANDS DIED ON FROM THE NETHERLANDS DIED ON HAT PLANE CRASH.
HAT PLANE CRASH.
>> A COMPANY FROM THE MEDICINE >> A COMPANY FROM THE MEDICINE IS ROYAL DUTCH SHALE WHICH HAS IS ROYAL DUTCH SHALE WHICH HAS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF BUSINESS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF BUSINESS IN RUSSIA.
IN RUSSIA.
EVERYBODY'S GOING TO FEEL THE EVERYBODY'S GOING TO FEEL THE ECONOMIC PRESSURE TO GIVE HIM.
ECONOMIC PRESSURE TO GIVE HIM.
I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THERE MAY I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THERE MAY BE ONE FACTOR THAT IS GOING TO BE ONE FACTOR THAT IS GOING TO KEEP IT A LOT LONGER KEEP IT A LOT LONGER SPECIFICALLY IN THE NETHERLANDS.
SPECIFICALLY IN THE NETHERLANDS.
THE FUNERAL THAT WE SAW THIS THE FUNERAL THAT WE SAW THIS WEEK, THOSE BODIES HAVEN'T BEEN WEEK, THOSE BODIES HAVEN'T BEEN BURIED YET.
BURIED YET.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE WEEKS OF AND IT'S GOING TO BE WEEKS OF FUNERALS IN THE NETHERLANDS.
FUNERALS IN THE NETHERLANDS.
WHAT THIS HAS DONE A VAULTED THE WHAT THIS HAS DONE A VAULTED THE WAR ON UKRAINE BACK OVER TO THE WAR ON UKRAINE BACK OVER TO THE FRONT PAGES AFTER YOU COULD FRONT PAGES AFTER YOU COULD ARGUE PUTIN HAD BEEN MAKING SOME ARGUE PUTIN HAD BEEN MAKING SOME HEADWAY.
HEADWAY.
SO IT MAY STILL TURN OUT TO BE SO IT MAY STILL TURN OUT TO BE SOMETHING OF A TURNING POINT BUT SOMETHING OF A TURNING POINT BUT NOTHING AS EVER AS QUICK -- NOTHING AS EVER AS QUICK -- >> AND REINFORCING THAT HAS BEEN >> AND REINFORCING THAT HAS BEEN THE REACTION FROM RUSSIA SINCE THE REACTION FROM RUSSIA SINCE THEN.
THEN.
THEY THINK MAYBE HE'LL PULL THEY THINK MAYBE HE'LL PULL BACK.
BACK.
AND HE'LL WANT TO CALM THINGS AND HE'LL WANT TO CALM THINGS DOWN.
DOWN.
INSTEAD IT SEEMS HE'S GOING TO INSTEAD IT SEEMS HE'S GOING TO THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
FOR TROOPS TO THE BORDER.
FOR TROOPS TO THE BORDER.
MORE WEAPONRY HEAD THERE.
MORE WEAPONRY HEAD THERE.
HE'S DOUBLED DOWN AND MENCHES HE'S DOUBLED DOWN AND MENCHES WERE HOPES -- THE AMERICANS WERE WERE HOPES -- THE AMERICANS WERE HOPING SEE, DON'T TURN BACK.
HOPING SEE, DON'T TURN BACK.
>> TONIGHT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT >> TONIGHT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 1212-HOUR PAUSE.
A 1212-HOUR PAUSE.
LAST WEEK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LAST WEEK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A FIVE-HOUR PAUSE WHICH DIDN'T A FIVE-HOUR PAUSE WHICH DIDN'T EVEN HOLD.
EVEN HOLD.
I WONDER IF THIS IS -- THERE'S I WONDER IF THIS IS -- THERE'S ANY OPTIMISM AT ALL THAT THIS IS ANY OPTIMISM AT ALL THAT THIS IS -- ANYONE LISTENS TO ANYBODY -- ANYONE LISTENS TO ANYBODY ANYMORE AND THERE'S ROOM FOR ANYMORE AND THERE'S ROOM FOR THIS?
THIS?
>> YOU KNOW THE CHALLENGES THAT >> YOU KNOW THE CHALLENGES THAT EACH SIDE HAS BECOME FURTHER EACH SIDE HAS BECOME FURTHER ENTRENCHED IN THEIR POSITIONS ENTRENCHED IN THEIR POSITIONS LAST WEEK, IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE LAST WEEK, IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE IN GAZA THEY SAID WE SUFFERED SO IN GAZA THEY SAID WE SUFFERED SO MUCH.
MUCH.
WE CAN'T WALK AWAY FROM THIS WE CAN'T WALK AWAY FROM THIS HAVING GAINED NOTHING.
HAVING GAINED NOTHING.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE THAT WE WOULDN'T IT'S IMPOSSIBLE THAT WE WOULDN'T GET SOME SORT OF ECONOMIC RELIEF GET SOME SORT OF ECONOMIC RELIEF AT THE END OF THIS.
AT THE END OF THIS.
AND ISRAEL IS SAYING WE'VE LOST AND ISRAEL IS SAYING WE'VE LOST 35 SOLDIERS MORE THAN THEY LOST 35 SOLDIERS MORE THAN THEY LOST DURING THE 2006 CONFLICT.
DURING THE 2006 CONFLICT.
WE CANNOT WALK AWAY FROM THIS WE CANNOT WALK AWAY FROM THIS NOT GETTING SOME SORT OF NOT GETTING SOME SORT OF SUSTAINED PEACE OR AWARD HAMAS SUSTAINED PEACE OR AWARD HAMAS FOR LAUNCHING ATTACKS ON OUR FOR LAUNCHING ATTACKS ON OUR COUNTRY.
COUNTRY.
AND SO IT'S HARD TO SEE WHERE AND SO IT'S HARD TO SEE WHERE THAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN EVERY THAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN EVERY PASSING DAY YOU FEEL PEOPLE ARE PASSING DAY YOU FEEL PEOPLE ARE MORE AND MORE SBREVERAGED IN MORE AND MORE SBREVERAGED IN THEIR POSITIONS AND WHAT COULD THEIR POSITIONS AND WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
HAPPEN.
>> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE >> LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE MAGIC WAND QUESTION THE ONE THAT MAGIC WAND QUESTION THE ONE THAT SUSAN RICE BROUGHT UP THIS SUSAN RICE BROUGHT UP THIS EVENING, WHICH IS HOW DOES A EVENING, WHICH IS HOW DOES A PRESIDENT NOT GET TRAPPED BY ALL PRESIDENT NOT GET TRAPPED BY ALL OF THESE VARIOUS ISSUES, ALL OF OF THESE VARIOUS ISSUES, ALL OF THESE DEMANDS THAT THE U.S.
THESE DEMANDS THAT THE U.S.
INTERVENE EVEN WHEN THERE'S NO INTERVENE EVEN WHEN THERE'S NO WAY TO INTERVENE?
WAY TO INTERVENE?
OR IS THAT JUST PARTS OF THE OR IS THAT JUST PARTS OF THE OFFICE?
OFFICE?
>> WELL, IT IS PARTS OF THE >> WELL, IT IS PARTS OF THE OFFICE.
OFFICE.
I THINK HIS NUMBERS ARE TAKEN A I THINK HIS NUMBERS ARE TAKEN A T AS A RESULT BECAUSE ON THE T AS A RESULT BECAUSE ON THE WAY DOWN.
WAY DOWN.
THE WORLD IS OUT OF CONTROL AND THE WORLD IS OUT OF CONTROL AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR LEADERSHIP AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR LEADERSHIP AND HE'S NOT PROVIDING.
HE'S NOT PROVIDING.
POLLS ALSO SHOW THEY DON'T WANT POLLS ALSO SHOW THEY DON'T WANT IN O GET US MORE INVOLVED IN O GET US MORE INVOLVED IRAQ, SYRIA.
IRAQ, SYRIA.
DISPARITY IS SOMETHING HARD FOR DISPARITY IS SOMETHING HARD FOR A PRESIDENT TO DEAL WIT.
A PRESIDENT TO DEAL WIT.
HE SAID I'M NOT GOING TO LET HE SAID I'M NOT GOING TO LET THIS HIJACK MY SCHEDULE.
THIS HIJACK MY SCHEDULE.
HE'S TAKEN SOME HITS ON THAT HE'S TAKEN SOME HITS ON THAT BECAUSE HE WENT TO A FUNDRAISING BECAUSE HE WENT TO A FUNDRAISING TRIP ESPECIALLY ON THE TRIP ESPECIALLY ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.
REPUBLICAN SIDE.
A PRESIDENT IS -- CAN BE A A PRESIDENT IS -- CAN BE A PRESIDENT ON THE ROAD.
PRESIDENT ON THE ROAD.
>> HOW MANY PRESIDENTS HAVE DONE >> HOW MANY PRESIDENTS HAVE DONE THIS?
THIS?
>> THERE'S GEORGE BUSH, BILL >> THERE'S GEORGE BUSH, BILL CLINTON.
CLINTON.
BUT YOU DO TAKE A HIT ON THE BUT YOU DO TAKE A HIT ON THE OPTICS AND THE ACCELERATED OPTICS AND THE ACCELERATED TWITTER AND SOCIAL WORLD IT'S TWITTER AND SOCIAL WORLD IT'S ONLY MORE DAMAGING.
ONLY MORE DAMAGING.
ONE OF THE INTERESTING QUESTIONS ONE OF THE INTERESTING QUESTIONS THAT COMES UP IS WHAT IS IN THE THAT COMES UP IS WHAT IS IN THE U.S. NATIONAL STRATEGIC U.S. NATIONAL STRATEGIC INTEREST?
INTEREST?
THAT'S NOT A DISCUSSION THAT'S THAT'S NOT A DISCUSSION THAT'S BEEN HAD.
BEEN HAD.
WHAT HAPPENED?
WHAT HAPPENED?
LIBYA AN INTEREST?
LIBYA AN INTEREST?
AT WHAT POINT DOES IT BECOME AN AT WHAT POINT DOES IT BECOME AN IMMEDIATE CONCERN FOR THE UNITED IMMEDIATE CONCERN FOR THE UNITED STATES?
STATES?
WE TALK ABOUT UKRAINE BUT WE TALK ABOUT UKRAINE BUT FRANKLY IT'S A BIGGER CONCERN FRANKLY IT'S A BIGGER CONCERN FOR EUROPE THAN THE UNITED FOR EUROPE THAN THE UNITED STATES.
STATES.
IRAQ, AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT IRAQ, AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT BECOME A THREAT TO THE U.S.
BECOME A THREAT TO THE U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY?
NATIONAL SECURITY?
IF THESE COUNTRIES AREN'T POSING IF THESE COUNTRIES AREN'T POSING AN IMMEDIATE THREAT?
AN IMMEDIATE THREAT?
GWEN: EXCEPT THAT YOU JUST GWEN: EXCEPT THAT YOU JUST CANNOT LOOK AWAY ESPECIALLY AS CANNOT LOOK AWAY ESPECIALLY AS THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD.
THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD.
>> WE'RE AT THAT STAGE WHERE YOU >> WE'RE AT THAT STAGE WHERE YOU CANNOT -- CANNOT LOOK AWAY.
CANNOT -- CANNOT LOOK AWAY.
AND WE'RE NALS A PERIOD WHEN THE AND WE'RE NALS A PERIOD WHEN THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS STILL AMERICAN PUBLIC IS STILL ALLERGIC TO DIRECT INTERVENTION.
ALLERGIC TO DIRECT INTERVENTION.
IN ALL OF THIS LIST OF CONFLICTS IN ALL OF THIS LIST OF CONFLICTS YOU TALKED ABOUT HAS ANYONE YOU TALKED ABOUT HAS ANYONE RAISED IN A SERIOUS WAY MILITARY RAISED IN A SERIOUS WAY MILITARY INTERVENTION?
INTERVENTION?
THE UNITED STATES ISN'T EVEN THE UNITED STATES ISN'T EVEN SENDING WEAPONRY TO THE SENDING WEAPONRY TO THE GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE AT THIS GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE AT THIS POINT.
POINT.
WEN: TALKING ABOUT NONLETHAL WEN: TALKING ABOUT NONLETHAL AID.
AID.
>> SO A THAT POINT GRIM PRINCIP >> SO A THAT POINT GRIM PRINCIP DIPLOMACY WHICH IS CALLED DIPLOMACY WHICH IS CALLED RIPENESS THAT SOMETIMES THESE RIPENESS THAT SOMETIMES THESE THINGS, THE TWO SIDES IN A CON THINGS, THE TWO SIDES IN A CON FLICT, GAZA AS AN EXAMPLE HAS TO FLICT, GAZA AS AN EXAMPLE HAS TO EXHAUST EACH OTHER AND GET TO EXHAUST EACH OTHER AND GET TO THE POINT WHERE NEITHER SIDE THE POINT WHERE NEITHER SIDE STILL THINKS IT HAS NO GROUND TO STILL THINKS IT HAS NO GROUND TO GAIN AND I'M AFRAID WE'RE IN GAIN AND I'M AFRAID WE'RE IN THAT PERIOD.
THAT PERIOD.
GWEN: BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW GWEN: BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW WASHINGTON DOESN'T HAVE THE WASHINGTON DOESN'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF FOCUSING ON ONE ISSUE LUXURY OF FOCUSING ON ONE ISSUE AT A TIME.
AT A TIME.
THE DEBATE OF MIGRANTS CROSSING THE BORDER CONTINUES.
THE BORDER CONTINUES.
PRESIDENT OBAMA MET TODAY WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA MET TODAY WITH THE LEADERS OF HONDURAS, EL THE LEADERS OF HONDURAS, EL SALVADOR AND GUATEMALA.
SALVADOR AND GUATEMALA.
THEY ASKED FOR MORE THAN JUST THEY ASKED FOR MORE THAN JUST BORDER SECURITY.
BORDER SECURITY.
AT MILAN OTTO PEREZ -- AT MILAN OTTO PEREZ -- UATEMALAN OTTO PEREZ MOLINA.
UATEMALAN OTTO PEREZ MOLINA.
GWEN: THAT WAS PART OF ED GWEN: THAT WAS PART OF ED O'KEEFE'S CONVERSATION WITH O'KEEFE'S CONVERSATION WITH MOLINA AND THE PRESIDENT OF MOLINA AND THE PRESIDENT OF HONDURAS.
HONDURAS.
IF THE PRESIDENT CANNOT GET OUT IF THE PRESIDENT CANNOT GET OUT OF CONGRESS, WHAT ARE HIS OF CONGRESS, WHAT ARE HIS PRETTY SLIM.
G ANYTHING ELSE?
PRETTY SLIM.
G ANYTHING ELSE?
THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN PROVIDING GETTING $35 MILLION PROVIDING GETTING $35 MILLION MUCH LESS THAN WHAT THE MUCH LESS THAN WHAT THE PRESIDENT REQUESTED.
PRESIDENT REQUESTED.
TODAY THEY SAID ACTUALLY WE'RE TODAY THEY SAID ACTUALLY WE'RE ONLY GOING TO PROVIDE ABOUT $1 ONLY GOING TO PROVIDE ABOUT $1 BILLION.
BILLION.
MOST OF THAT WOULD GO TO BEEFING MOST OF THAT WOULD GO TO BEEFING UP THE BORDER CONTROL ALONG THE UP THE BORDER CONTROL ALONG THE MEXICAN BORDER POSSIBLY HELP TO MEXICAN BORDER POSSIBLY HELP TO PAY DEPLOYING THE NATIONAL GUARD PAY DEPLOYING THE NATIONAL GUARD AND PROVIDING SOME ASSISTANCE AND PROVIDING SOME ASSISTANCE BUT NOT WHAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED BUT NOT WHAT THE PRESIDENT ASKED FOR IN HOUSING AND IN PROCESSING FOR IN HOUSING AND IN PROCESSING THESE IMMIGRANTS AND GET THEM TO THESE IMMIGRANTS AND GET THEM TO FAMILY MEMBERS OR SEND THEM FAMILY MEMBERS OR SEND THEM HOME.
HOME.
GWEN: SO WHAT WAS THE POINT?
GWEN: SO WHAT WAS THE POINT?
>> THAT HE IS WORKING WITH THESE >> THAT HE IS WORKING WITH THESE GUYS AND INSISTING THAT THEY GUYS AND INSISTING THAT THEY TAKE STEPS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY TAKE STEPS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY NOT ONLY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS NOT ONLY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS BUT TO PREPARE FOR THE RETURN OF BUT TO PREPARE FOR THE RETURN OF THE IMMIGRANTS.
THE IMMIGRANTS.
THEY -- THERE THEY -- THERE >> BUS LOADS COMING BECAUSE THE >> BUS LOADS COMING BECAUSE THE MEXICANS ARE DETAINING SOME OF MEXICANS ARE DETAINING SOME OF THESE PEOPLE AND SENDING THEM THESE PEOPLE AND SENDING THEM BACK.
BACK.
THEY'RE STOLE THAT -- TOLD THAT THEY'RE STOLE THAT -- TOLD THAT THEY'RE BEING SENT BACK.
THEY'RE BEING SENT BACK.
AND THOSE PLANE LOADS OF UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN WILL UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN WILL BEGIN COMING BACK.
BEGIN COMING BACK.
THE PRESIDENT FROM HONDURAS AND THE PRESIDENT FROM HONDURAS AND GUATEMALA ARE PREPARING GUATEMALA ARE PREPARING FACILITIES WHETHER THEY WILL BE FACILITIES WHETHER THEY WILL BE GETTING EDUCATION, OR WHETHER GETTING EDUCATION, OR WHETHER THEY WILL NEED ANY OTHER SERVICE THEY WILL NEED ANY OTHER SERVICE AND THE HOPE THAT IN RETURN AND THE HOPE THAT IN RETURN CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE WILL WORK TOGETHER ON A REGIONAL WILL WORK TOGETHER ON A REGIONAL AND SECURITY AID PACKAGE SIMILAR AND SECURITY AID PACKAGE SIMILAR TO WHAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE IN TO WHAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE IN MEXICO AND COLOMBIA.
MEXICO AND COLOMBIA.
>> WHAT ABOUT THIS TWAGGETE 2008 >> WHAT ABOUT THIS TWAGGETE 2008 LAW?
LAW?
THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS WE DO NEED THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS WE DO NEED TO FIX IT.
TO FIX IT.
REPUBLICANS SAY LET'S NOT GIVE REPUBLICANS SAY LET'S NOT GIVE MONEY IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MONEY IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FIX IT.
FIX IT.
>> THIS IS THE LAW THAT WAS PUT >> THIS IS THE LAW THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE AND SIGNED BY PRESIDENT IN PLACE AND SIGNED BY PRESIDENT BUSH THAT DEALT PRIMARILY WITH BUSH THAT DEALT PRIMARILY WITH HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
THE IDEA IS THAT ESSENTIALLY THE IDEA IS THAT ESSENTIALLY IMMIGRANTS FROM THOSE THREE IMMIGRANTS FROM THOSE THREE CENTRAL AMERICAN COUNTRIES GET CENTRAL AMERICAN COUNTRIES GET STREETED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY STREETED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN MEXICAN CHILDREN.
THAN MEXICAN CHILDREN.
THE ARGUMENT THAT MANY THE ARGUMENT THAT MANY REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN MAKING AND REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN MAKING AND SOME DEMOCRATS, NO, IF YOU'RE SOME DEMOCRATS, NO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SEND BACK MEXICANBACK ?
GOING TO SEND BACK MEXICANBACK ?
THEY DON'T NECESSARILY DESERVE THEY DON'T NECESSARILY DESERVE TO BE TREATED ANY DIFFERENTLY.
TO BE TREATED ANY DIFFERENTLY.
BUT THE ARGUMENT THAT SOME HAVE BUT THE ARGUMENT THAT SOME HAVE MADE IS THAT WAIT A SECOND, MADE IS THAT WAIT A SECOND, THESE CHILDREN PROBABLY HAVE A THESE CHILDREN PROBABLY HAVE A PARENT, AN UNCLE WHO IS IN THE PARENT, AN UNCLE WHO IS IN THE UNITED STATES WHO MAY HAVE SENT UNITED STATES WHO MAY HAVE SENT TO THEM BY PAYING OFF A HUMAN TO THEM BY PAYING OFF A HUMAN SMUGGLER AS BAD AND ILLEGAL AND SMUGGLER AS BAD AND ILLEGAL AND IMPROPER AS THEY MAY BE AND THEY IMPROPER AS THEY MAY BE AND THEY DESERVE TO BE REUNITED.
DESERVE TO BE REUNITED.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE PRESIDENT OF AND THAT'S WHAT THE PRESIDENT OF HONDURAS SAID TO ME.
HONDURAS SAID TO ME.
THERE COULD BE A FATHER TONIGHT THERE COULD BE A FATHER TONIGHT WHO IS TRYING TO REUNITE WITH WHO IS TRYING TO REUNITE WITH HER SON OR A DAUGHTER WHO THEY HER SON OR A DAUGHTER WHO THEY HAVEN'T SEEN FOR 12 YEARS.
HAVEN'T SEEN FOR 12 YEARS.
DON'T THEY DESERVE TO SEE THEIR DON'T THEY DESERVE TO SEE THEIR MOTHER?
MOTHER?
WHEN I ASKED PRESIDENT MOLINA WHEN I ASKED PRESIDENT MOLINA ABOUT THE TALKS OF INCREASING ABOUT THE TALKS OF INCREASING BORDER SECURITY.
BORDER SECURITY.
HE SAID YOUR COUNTRY SPEEDS HE SAID YOUR COUNTRY SPEEDS ABOUT $20 BILLION SECURING THE ABOUT $20 BILLION SECURING THE MEXICAN BORDER.
MEXICAN BORDER.
TAKE 10% OF THAT AND INVEST IT IN CENTRAL AMERICA IN SECURITY IN CENTRAL AMERICA IN SECURITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND ECONOMIC AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND ECONOMIC EDUCATION.
EDUCATION.
THAT WILL WOULD MORE PROFITABLE.
THAT WILL WOULD MORE PROFITABLE.
IF THE UNITED STATES WERE TO IF THE UNITED STATES WERE TO INVEST ALL THIS MONEY IN THE INVEST ALL THIS MONEY IN THE COUNTRY, IT WILL DETER THE COUNTRY, IT WILL DETER THE PEOPLE GOING NORTH.
PEOPLE GOING NORTH.
NOW, WE CAN'T GET A HIGHWAY BILL NOW, WE CAN'T GET A HIGHWAY BILL DONE.
DONE.
WE CAN'T HELP THE DEPARTMENT OF WE CAN'T HELP THE DEPARTMENT OF VETERAN AFFAIRS.
THIS OUT.
VETERAN AFFAIRS.
THIS OUT.
SO WHAT ARE THE CHANCES FOR A SO WHAT ARE THE CHANCES FOR A BIG ECONOMIC PACKAGE?
BIG ECONOMIC PACKAGE?
THEY SAY IT IN SPANISH TOO, THEY SAY IT IN SPANISH TOO, ZERO.
ZERO.
>> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE >> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE FLOW OF IMMIGRANTS FOR THE NEXT FLOW OF IMMIGRANTS FOR THE NEXT WEEK?
WEEK?
FOR WEEKS THE ADMINISTRATION HAS FOR WEEKS THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN SAYING I DON'T COME -- BEEN SAYING I DON'T COME -- GWEN: I'M SORRY -- GWEN: I'M SORRY -- >> IS THE MESSAGE COMING >> IS THE MESSAGE COMING THROUGH.
THROUGH.
>>T'S IHOT RIGHT NOW IN TEXAS.
>>T'S IHOT RIGHT NOW IN TEXAS.
THE NUMBERS HAVE DROPPED.
THE NUMBERS HAVE DROPPED.
THE QUESTION IS WILL THEY STOP THE QUESTION IS WILL THEY STOP PICKING UP FOR LABOR DAY AS THE PICKING UP FOR LABOR DAY AS THE WEATHER COMES DOWN.
WEATHER COMES DOWN.
GWEN: THE DEBATE WE MIGHT PICK GWEN: THE DEBATE WE MIGHT PICK UP AFTER LABOR DAY WHEN CONGRESS UP AFTER LABOR DAY WHEN CONGRESS COMES BACK TO COME TO TOWN.
COMES BACK TO COME TO TOWN.
THE WASHINGTON WEB CAST EXTRA THE WASHINGTON WEB CAST EXTRA STREAMS LIVE AT 8:30 P.M.
STREAMS LIVE AT 8:30 P.M. EASTERN TIME.
EASTERN TIME.
AMONG OTHER THINGS WE'LL TALK AMONG OTHER THINGS WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT VLADIMIR PUTIN IS ABOUT WHAT VLADIMIR PUTIN IS COMING TO.
COMING TO.
YOU CAN FIND IT ALL WEEK ON YOU CAN FIND IT ALL WEEK ON PBS.ORG/WASHINGTONWEEK.
PBS.ORG/WASHINGTONWEEK.
KEEP UP WITH ME ON THE NEWS KEEP UP WITH ME ON THE NEWS HOUR.
HOUR.
JOIN ME NEXT WEEK FOR MY MONTHLY JOIN ME NEXT WEEK FOR MY MONTHLY WEB CHAT.
WEB CHAT.
YOUR QUESTIONS, MY ANSWERS.
YOUR QUESTIONS, MY ANSWERS.
PERHAPS MOVIE REVIEWS.
PERHAPS MOVIE REVIEWS.
WHO KNOWS?
WHO KNOWS?
WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON "WASHINGTON WEEK"."
"WASHINGTON WEEK"."
GOOD NIGHT.
