Undocumented Child Migrants; India Mental Health Care

07/17/2014 | 25m 46s | Video has closed captioning.

Aired: 07/17/14

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>>> COMING UP -- >>> COMING UP -- THE SURGE OF IMMIGRANT CENTRAL >>> COMING UP -- THE SURGE OF IMMIGRANT CENTRAL AMERICAN CHILDREN INTO THE U.S.

THE SURGE OF IMMIGRANT CENTRAL AMERICAN CHILDREN INTO THE U.S. SAUL GONZALES REPORTS ON THE AMERICAN CHILDREN INTO THE U.S. SAUL GONZALES REPORTS ON THE CHALLENGES FACING THE KIDS, THE SAUL GONZALES REPORTS ON THE CHALLENGES FACING THE KIDS, THE COURTS AND CONGREGATIONS.

CHALLENGES FACING THE KIDS, THE COURTS AND CONGREGATIONS.

>>> AND A POWERFUL FRED DE SAM COURTS AND CONGREGATIONS.

>>> AND A POWERFUL FRED DE SAM LAZARO STORY ON TREATING MENTAL >>> AND A POWERFUL FRED DE SAM LAZARO STORY ON TREATING MENTAL ILLNESS IN INDIA, THE SLOW LAZARO STORY ON TREATING MENTAL ILLNESS IN INDIA, THE SLOW ACCEPTANCE OF MODERN MEDICINE ILLNESS IN INDIA, THE SLOW ACCEPTANCE OF MODERN MEDICINE ALONGSIDE TRADITIONAL PRACTICES ACCEPTANCE OF MODERN MEDICINE ALONGSIDE TRADITIONAL PRACTICES OF FAITH HEALING AND MAGIC.

ALONGSIDE TRADITIONAL PRACTICES OF FAITH HEALING AND MAGIC.

>>> WELCOME.

OF FAITH HEALING AND MAGIC.

>>> WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

>>> WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

AS ISRAEL LAUNCHED ITS GROUND IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

AS ISRAEL LAUNCHED ITS GROUND OFFENSIVE IN GAZA, RELIGIOUS AS ISRAEL LAUNCHED ITS GROUND OFFENSIVE IN GAZA, RELIGIOUS GROUPS CONTINUED TO RAISE OFFENSIVE IN GAZA, RELIGIOUS GROUPS CONTINUED TO RAISE CONCERNS AND SPECIAL PRAYERS GROUPS CONTINUED TO RAISE CONCERNS AND SPECIAL PRAYERS ABOUT THE CRISIS.

CONCERNS AND SPECIAL PRAYERS ABOUT THE CRISIS.

SOME PEOPLE OF FAITH PROTESTED ABOUT THE CRISIS.

SOME PEOPLE OF FAITH PROTESTED ISRAEL'S CAMPAIGN IN GAZA, SOME PEOPLE OF FAITH PROTESTED ISRAEL'S CAMPAIGN IN GAZA, HIGHLIGHTING THE LARGE NUMBERS ISRAEL'S CAMPAIGN IN GAZA, HIGHLIGHTING THE LARGE NUMBERS OF CIVILIANS WHO HAVE BEEN HIGHLIGHTING THE LARGE NUMBERS OF CIVILIANS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED.

OF CIVILIANS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED.

JEWISH GROUPS AND SOME KILLED.

JEWISH GROUPS AND SOME CHRISTIANS RALLIED IN SOLIDARITY JEWISH GROUPS AND SOME CHRISTIANS RALLIED IN SOLIDARITY WITH ISRAEL.

CHRISTIANS RALLIED IN SOLIDARITY WITH ISRAEL.

SEVERAL U.S. JEWISH LEADERS WITH ISRAEL.

SEVERAL U.S. JEWISH LEADERS EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT WHAT SEVERAL U.S. JEWISH LEADERS EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT WHAT THEY SEE AS AN ANTI-SEMITIC TONE EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT WHAT THEY SEE AS AN ANTI-SEMITIC TONE IN MANY ANTI-ISRAEL PROTESTS.

THEY SEE AS AN ANTI-SEMITIC TONE IN MANY ANTI-ISRAEL PROTESTS.

MEANWHILE, SOME JEWS AND MUSLIMS IN MANY ANTI-ISRAEL PROTESTS.

MEANWHILE, SOME JEWS AND MUSLIMS JOINED TOGETHER IN A DAY-LONG MEANWHILE, SOME JEWS AND MUSLIMS JOINED TOGETHER IN A DAY-LONG FAST FOR PEACE.

JOINED TOGETHER IN A DAY-LONG FAST FOR PEACE.

AT THE VATICAN, POPE FRANCIS LED FAST FOR PEACE.

AT THE VATICAN, POPE FRANCIS LED TENS OF THOUSANDS IN PRAYER FOR AT THE VATICAN, POPE FRANCIS LED TENS OF THOUSANDS IN PRAYER FOR AN END TO THE VIOLENCE.

TENS OF THOUSANDS IN PRAYER FOR AN END TO THE VIOLENCE.

HE ALSO PERSONALLY CALLED AN END TO THE VIOLENCE.

HE ALSO PERSONALLY CALLED ISRAELI PRESIDENT SHIMON PERES HE ALSO PERSONALLY CALLED ISRAELI PRESIDENT SHIMON PERES AND PALESTINIAN PRESIDENT ISRAELI PRESIDENT SHIMON PERES AND PALESTINIAN PRESIDENT MAHMOUD ABBAS URGING A AND PALESTINIAN PRESIDENT MAHMOUD ABBAS URGING A CEASEFIRE.

MAHMOUD ABBAS URGING A CEASEFIRE.

>>> THE COMPLEX INTERFAITH CEASEFIRE.

>>> THE COMPLEX INTERFAITH SENSITIVITIES PROVOKED BY THE >>> THE COMPLEX INTERFAITH SENSITIVITIES PROVOKED BY THE CRISIS WERE EVIDENT AT THE WHITE SENSITIVITIES PROVOKED BY THE CRISIS WERE EVIDENT AT THE WHITE HOUSE THIS WEEK.

CRISIS WERE EVIDENT AT THE WHITE HOUSE THIS WEEK.

PRESIDENT OBAMA HOSTED ISLAMIC HOUSE THIS WEEK.

PRESIDENT OBAMA HOSTED ISLAMIC LEADERS AND MUSLIM DIPLOMATS FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA HOSTED ISLAMIC LEADERS AND MUSLIM DIPLOMATS FOR A DINNER TO BREAK THEIR RAMADAN LEADERS AND MUSLIM DIPLOMATS FOR A DINNER TO BREAK THEIR RAMADAN FAST.

A DINNER TO BREAK THEIR RAMADAN FAST.

HE PLEDGED TO WORK FOR PEACE, FAST.

HE PLEDGED TO WORK FOR PEACE, BUT THEN ADDED -- HE PLEDGED TO WORK FOR PEACE, BUT THEN ADDED -- >> NO COUNTRY CAN ACCEPT ROCKETS BUT THEN ADDED -- >> NO COUNTRY CAN ACCEPT ROCKETS FIRED INDISCRIMINATELY AT >> NO COUNTRY CAN ACCEPT ROCKETS FIRED INDISCRIMINATELY AT CITIZENS.

FIRED INDISCRIMINATELY AT CITIZENS.

AND SO, WE'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR CITIZENS.

AND SO, WE'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO AND SO, WE'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST WHAT I THAT ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE INEXCUSABLE DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE INEXCUSABLE ATTACKS FROM HAMAS.

CONSIDER TO BE INEXCUSABLE ATTACKS FROM HAMAS.

>> AFTERWARD, THE MUSLIM PUBLIC ATTACKS FROM HAMAS.

>> AFTERWARD, THE MUSLIM PUBLIC AFFAIRS COUNCIL SAID IT WAS >> AFTERWARD, THE MUSLIM PUBLIC AFFAIRS COUNCIL SAID IT WAS "APPALLED" THAT THE PRESIDENT AFFAIRS COUNCIL SAID IT WAS "APPALLED" THAT THE PRESIDENT WOULD USE THAT OCCASION "TO "APPALLED" THAT THE PRESIDENT WOULD USE THAT OCCASION "TO EXPRESS UNEQUIVOCAL SUPPORT FOR WOULD USE THAT OCCASION "TO EXPRESS UNEQUIVOCAL SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL" WITHOUT ALSO CRITICIZING EXPRESS UNEQUIVOCAL SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL" WITHOUT ALSO CRITICIZING WHAT IT CALLED ISRAEL'S ISRAEL" WITHOUT ALSO CRITICIZING WHAT IT CALLED ISRAEL'S "DISPROPORTIONATE USE OF FORCE."

WHAT IT CALLED ISRAEL'S "DISPROPORTIONATE USE OF FORCE."

>>> AS THOUSANDS OF MIGRANT "DISPROPORTIONATE USE OF FORCE."

>>> AS THOUSANDS OF MIGRANT CHILDREN CONTINUE FLOODING >>> AS THOUSANDS OF MIGRANT CHILDREN CONTINUE FLOODING ACROSS THE U.S. BORDER, CHILDREN CONTINUE FLOODING ACROSS THE U.S. BORDER, CHRISTIAN, JEWISH AND MUSLIMS ACROSS THE U.S. BORDER, CHRISTIAN, JEWISH AND MUSLIMS GROUPS HAVE DESIGNATED THIS AN CHRISTIAN, JEWISH AND MUSLIMS GROUPS HAVE DESIGNATED THIS AN INTERFAITH WEEKEND OF COMPASSION GROUPS HAVE DESIGNATED THIS AN INTERFAITH WEEKEND OF COMPASSION AND PRAYER.

INTERFAITH WEEKEND OF COMPASSION AND PRAYER.

RELIGIOUS GROUPS HAVE BEEN AND PRAYER.

RELIGIOUS GROUPS HAVE BEEN PROVIDING SOME AID TO CARE FOR RELIGIOUS GROUPS HAVE BEEN PROVIDING SOME AID TO CARE FOR THE CHILDREN.

PROVIDING SOME AID TO CARE FOR THE CHILDREN.

THEY'VE ALSO BEEN LOBBYING THE CHILDREN.

THEY'VE ALSO BEEN LOBBYING OFFICIALS TO CHANGE IMMIGRATION THEY'VE ALSO BEEN LOBBYING OFFICIALS TO CHANGE IMMIGRATION AND DEPORTATION LAWS.

OFFICIALS TO CHANGE IMMIGRATION AND DEPORTATION LAWS.

A TOP VATICAN OFFICIAL VISITED AND DEPORTATION LAWS.

A TOP VATICAN OFFICIAL VISITED MEXICO THIS WEEK URGING A TOP VATICAN OFFICIAL VISITED MEXICO THIS WEEK URGING PROTECTION FOR MIGRANT CHILDREN.

MEXICO THIS WEEK URGING PROTECTION FOR MIGRANT CHILDREN.

HE DELIVERED A LETTER TO THE PROTECTION FOR MIGRANT CHILDREN.

HE DELIVERED A LETTER TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY FROM HE DELIVERED A LETTER TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY FROM POPE FRANCIS CALLING FOR AN END INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY FROM POPE FRANCIS CALLING FOR AN END TO "RACIST AND XENOPHOBIC POPE FRANCIS CALLING FOR AN END TO "RACIST AND XENOPHOBIC ATTITUDES."

TO "RACIST AND XENOPHOBIC ATTITUDES."

>>> WE HAVE A SPECIAL REPORT ATTITUDES."

>>> WE HAVE A SPECIAL REPORT TODAY FROM SAUL GONZALEZ ON THE >>> WE HAVE A SPECIAL REPORT TODAY FROM SAUL GONZALEZ ON THE IMMIGRATION SURGE, THE ANGER -- TODAY FROM SAUL GONZALEZ ON THE IMMIGRATION SURGE, THE ANGER -- AND COMPASSION -- IT HAS BROUGHT IMMIGRATION SURGE, THE ANGER -- AND COMPASSION -- IT HAS BROUGHT OUT, AND HOW THE GOVERNMENT AND AND COMPASSION -- IT HAS BROUGHT OUT, AND HOW THE GOVERNMENT AND MANY RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS ARE OUT, AND HOW THE GOVERNMENT AND MANY RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS ARE TRYING TO RESPOND.

MANY RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS ARE TRYING TO RESPOND.

>> Reporter: IT'S A SCENE THAT TRYING TO RESPOND.

>> Reporter: IT'S A SCENE THAT CAPTURED THE ATTENTION OF THE >> Reporter: IT'S A SCENE THAT CAPTURED THE ATTENTION OF THE COUNTRY AND WORLD, CAPTURED THE ATTENTION OF THE COUNTRY AND WORLD, ANTI-IMMIGRANT PROTESTORS COUNTRY AND WORLD, ANTI-IMMIGRANT PROTESTORS BLOCKING BUSES FILLED WITH ANTI-IMMIGRANT PROTESTORS BLOCKING BUSES FILLED WITH UNDOCUMENTED CENTRAL AMERICAN BLOCKING BUSES FILLED WITH UNDOCUMENTED CENTRAL AMERICAN MIGRANT CHILDREN AND SOME ADULTS UNDOCUMENTED CENTRAL AMERICAN MIGRANT CHILDREN AND SOME ADULTS FROM REACHING A BORDER PATROL MIGRANT CHILDREN AND SOME ADULTS FROM REACHING A BORDER PATROL STATION IN THE SOUTHERN FROM REACHING A BORDER PATROL STATION IN THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY OF STATION IN THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY OF MURRIETA.

CALIFORNIA COMMUNITY OF MURRIETA.

THE CHILDREN ABOARD THE BUSES MURRIETA.

THE CHILDREN ABOARD THE BUSES WERE JUST SOME OF THE MORE THAN THE CHILDREN ABOARD THE BUSES WERE JUST SOME OF THE MORE THAN 52,000 MINORS, MANY OF THEM WERE JUST SOME OF THE MORE THAN 52,000 MINORS, MANY OF THEM UNACCOMPANIED BY ADULTS, WHO 52,000 MINORS, MANY OF THEM UNACCOMPANIED BY ADULTS, WHO HAVE BEEN DETAINED BY UNACCOMPANIED BY ADULTS, WHO HAVE BEEN DETAINED BY IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES SINCE HAVE BEEN DETAINED BY IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES SINCE OCTOBER.

IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES SINCE OCTOBER.

IT'S THE LARGEST INFLUX OF OCTOBER.

IT'S THE LARGEST INFLUX OF ASYLUM SEEKERS INTO THE U.S.

SINCE 1980.

ASYLUM SEEKERS INTO THE U.S.

SINCE 1980.

THERE ARE SO MANY MIGRANT SINCE 1980.

THERE ARE SO MANY MIGRANT CHILDREN ARRIVING, TEMPORARY THERE ARE SO MANY MIGRANT CHILDREN ARRIVING, TEMPORARY IMMIGRATION HOLDING FACILITIES CHILDREN ARRIVING, TEMPORARY IMMIGRATION HOLDING FACILITIES ALONG THE BORDER HAVE BEEN IMMIGRATION HOLDING FACILITIES ALONG THE BORDER HAVE BEEN FILLED TO CAPACITY, AND THE ALONG THE BORDER HAVE BEEN FILLED TO CAPACITY, AND THE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN FLOWN TO FILLED TO CAPACITY, AND THE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN FLOWN TO OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY FOR CHILDREN HAVE BEEN FLOWN TO OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY FOR SHELTER AND CARE AT MILITARY OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY FOR SHELTER AND CARE AT MILITARY BASES AND OTHER FACILITIES.

SHELTER AND CARE AT MILITARY BASES AND OTHER FACILITIES.

OVERWHELMED BY THE SHEER NUMBER BASES AND OTHER FACILITIES.

OVERWHELMED BY THE SHEER NUMBER OF MIGRANTS, THE GOVERNMENT HAS OVERWHELMED BY THE SHEER NUMBER OF MIGRANTS, THE GOVERNMENT HAS TURNED TO FAITH COMMUNITIES FOR OF MIGRANTS, THE GOVERNMENT HAS TURNED TO FAITH COMMUNITIES FOR HELP.

TURNED TO FAITH COMMUNITIES FOR HELP.

>> WE ARE AT THE FORMER CONVENT HELP.

>> WE ARE AT THE FORMER CONVENT AT ST. JOSEPH'S CATHOLIC CHURCH >> WE ARE AT THE FORMER CONVENT AT ST. JOSEPH'S CATHOLIC CHURCH IN FONTANA.

AT ST. JOSEPH'S CATHOLIC CHURCH IN FONTANA.

AND THIS IS A PLACE WHERE TWO IN FONTANA.

AND THIS IS A PLACE WHERE TWO DAYS AGO WHERE WE WELCOMED AND THIS IS A PLACE WHERE TWO DAYS AGO WHERE WE WELCOMED 46 MIGRANT WOMEN AND CHILDREN DAYS AGO WHERE WE WELCOMED 46 MIGRANT WOMEN AND CHILDREN HERE TO PROVIDE A TEMPORARY 46 MIGRANT WOMEN AND CHILDREN HERE TO PROVIDE A TEMPORARY PLACE FOR THEM TO REST AND HERE TO PROVIDE A TEMPORARY PLACE FOR THEM TO REST AND RECEIVE BASIC SERVICES.

PLACE FOR THEM TO REST AND RECEIVE BASIC SERVICES.

>> Reporter: JOHN ANDREWS IS A RECEIVE BASIC SERVICES.

>> Reporter: JOHN ANDREWS IS A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE CATHOLIC >> Reporter: JOHN ANDREWS IS A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY SPOKESPERSON FOR THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY EAST OF LOS ANGELES.

DIOCESE OF SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY EAST OF LOS ANGELES.

THE DIOCESE IS USING AVAILABLE EAST OF LOS ANGELES.

THE DIOCESE IS USING AVAILABLE BUILDINGS ON CHURCH GROUNDS TO THE DIOCESE IS USING AVAILABLE BUILDINGS ON CHURCH GROUNDS TO PROVIDE TEMPORARY SHELTER AND BUILDINGS ON CHURCH GROUNDS TO PROVIDE TEMPORARY SHELTER AND AID TO THE MIGRANTS BEFORE PROVIDE TEMPORARY SHELTER AND AID TO THE MIGRANTS BEFORE THEY'RE UNITED WITH FAMILY AID TO THE MIGRANTS BEFORE THEY'RE UNITED WITH FAMILY MEMBERS IN THIS COUNTRY OR SENT THEY'RE UNITED WITH FAMILY MEMBERS IN THIS COUNTRY OR SENT BACK TO THEIR OWN COUNTRIES.

MEMBERS IN THIS COUNTRY OR SENT BACK TO THEIR OWN COUNTRIES.

HERE THEY CAN SLEEP ON AIR BACK TO THEIR OWN COUNTRIES.

HERE THEY CAN SLEEP ON AIR MATTRESSES IN SPARTAN BUT CLEAN HERE THEY CAN SLEEP ON AIR MATTRESSES IN SPARTAN BUT CLEAN ROOMS, GET ACCESS TO TOILETRIES MATTRESSES IN SPARTAN BUT CLEAN ROOMS, GET ACCESS TO TOILETRIES AND DIAPERS AND REPLACE WORN OUT ROOMS, GET ACCESS TO TOILETRIES AND DIAPERS AND REPLACE WORN OUT SHOES AND CLOTHES WITH SLIGHTLY AND DIAPERS AND REPLACE WORN OUT SHOES AND CLOTHES WITH SLIGHTLY USED REPLACEMENTS.

SHOES AND CLOTHES WITH SLIGHTLY USED REPLACEMENTS.

THE KITCHEN IS ALSO FILLED WITH USED REPLACEMENTS.

THE KITCHEN IS ALSO FILLED WITH DONATED FOOD THAT HUNGRY KIDS THE KITCHEN IS ALSO FILLED WITH DONATED FOOD THAT HUNGRY KIDS MIGHT LIKE.

DONATED FOOD THAT HUNGRY KIDS MIGHT LIKE.

ANDREWS SAYS THE DIOCESE HAD NO MIGHT LIKE.

ANDREWS SAYS THE DIOCESE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO HELP THE MIGRANT ANDREWS SAYS THE DIOCESE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO HELP THE MIGRANT CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMIILIES.

CHOICE BUT TO HELP THE MIGRANT CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMIILIES.

>> THIS IS WHAT OUR CATHOLIC CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMIILIES.

>> THIS IS WHAT OUR CATHOLIC FAITH CALLS US TO DO, COME TO >> THIS IS WHAT OUR CATHOLIC FAITH CALLS US TO DO, COME TO THE AID OF THOSE WHO ARE FAITH CALLS US TO DO, COME TO THE AID OF THOSE WHO ARE DESPERATELY IN NEED OF OUR HELP.

THE AID OF THOSE WHO ARE DESPERATELY IN NEED OF OUR HELP.

IT'S WRITTEN ALL OVER THE DESPERATELY IN NEED OF OUR HELP.

IT'S WRITTEN ALL OVER THE SCRIPTURES.

THE CHURCH HAS A VERY WELL SCRIPTURES.

THE CHURCH HAS A VERY WELL DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF SOCIAL THE CHURCH HAS A VERY WELL DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF SOCIAL SERVICE OUTREACH, AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF SOCIAL SERVICE OUTREACH, AND SUPPORTING MIGRANTS, SUPPORTING ANYONE WHO SERVICE OUTREACH, AND SUPPORTING MIGRANTS, SUPPORTING ANYONE WHO IS IN NEED.

MIGRANTS, SUPPORTING ANYONE WHO IS IN NEED.

AND THIS JUST PRESENTED ITSELF IS IN NEED.

AND THIS JUST PRESENTED ITSELF TO US AS AN OBVIOUS NO-BRAINER AND THIS JUST PRESENTED ITSELF TO US AS AN OBVIOUS NO-BRAINER THAT WE NEEDED TO HELP HERE.

TO US AS AN OBVIOUS NO-BRAINER THAT WE NEEDED TO HELP HERE.

>> Reporter: TO PROTECT THE THAT WE NEEDED TO HELP HERE.

>> Reporter: TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES THEY'RE >> Reporter: TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES THEY'RE HELPING, THE DIOCESE ISN'T CHILDREN AND FAMILIES THEY'RE HELPING, THE DIOCESE ISN'T ALLOWING JOURNALISTS TO HELPING, THE DIOCESE ISN'T ALLOWING JOURNALISTS TO PHOTOGRAPH OR INTERVIEW THEM, ALLOWING JOURNALISTS TO PHOTOGRAPH OR INTERVIEW THEM, BUT ANDREWS DID SHOW US SOME PHOTOGRAPH OR INTERVIEW THEM, BUT ANDREWS DID SHOW US SOME VIDEO HE TOOK ON HIS SMARTPHONE.

BUT ANDREWS DID SHOW US SOME VIDEO HE TOOK ON HIS SMARTPHONE.

HERE A NUN PLAYS WITH ONE OF THE VIDEO HE TOOK ON HIS SMARTPHONE.

HERE A NUN PLAYS WITH ONE OF THE MIGRANT CHILDREN.

AND THEY LOOK OBVIOUSLY, JUST MIGRANT CHILDREN.

AND THEY LOOK OBVIOUSLY, JUST LIKE KIDS.

>> THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING, KIDS LIKE KIDS.

>> THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING, KIDS ARE KIDS.

AND THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING ARE KIDS.

AND THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING WHAT WE WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD AND THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING WHAT WE WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND AND SEE THESE PEOPLE WHAT WE WISH MORE PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND AND SEE THESE PEOPLE FOR THEIR HUMANITY AND THEY ARE UNDERSTAND AND SEE THESE PEOPLE FOR THEIR HUMANITY AND THEY ARE JUST LIKE YOUR KIDS.

FOR THEIR HUMANITY AND THEY ARE JUST LIKE YOUR KIDS.

>> Reporter: AS ORGANIZATIONS JUST LIKE YOUR KIDS.

>> Reporter: AS ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE SAN BERNARDINO DIOCESE >> Reporter: AS ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE SAN BERNARDINO DIOCESE SEEK TO AID AND COMFORT THE NEW LIKE THE SAN BERNARDINO DIOCESE SEEK TO AID AND COMFORT THE NEW MIGRANT ARRIVALS, IMMIGRATION SEEK TO AID AND COMFORT THE NEW MIGRANT ARRIVALS, IMMIGRATION RIGHTS ACTIVISTS SAY THEY'VE MIGRANT ARRIVALS, IMMIGRATION RIGHTS ACTIVISTS SAY THEY'VE SEEN THIS IMMIGRATION CRISIS RIGHTS ACTIVISTS SAY THEY'VE SEEN THIS IMMIGRATION CRISIS BREWING FOR YEARS.

SEEN THIS IMMIGRATION CRISIS BREWING FOR YEARS.

>> WELL, WE'VE KNOWN THERE HAS BREWING FOR YEARS.

>> WELL, WE'VE KNOWN THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER >> WELL, WE'VE KNOWN THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN BEEN AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN MIGRATING BY THEMSELVES COMING OF CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN MIGRATING BY THEMSELVES COMING TO THE UNITED STATES, SO THIS MIGRATING BY THEMSELVES COMING TO THE UNITED STATES, SO THIS WAS NOT NEWS TO US.

TO THE UNITED STATES, SO THIS WAS NOT NEWS TO US.

>> Reporter: ANGELICA SALAS IS WAS NOT NEWS TO US.

>> Reporter: ANGELICA SALAS IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE COALITION >> Reporter: ANGELICA SALAS IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE COALITION FOR HUMANE IMMIGRANT RIGHTS OF THE DIRECTOR OF THE COALITION FOR HUMANE IMMIGRANT RIGHTS OF LOS ANGELES, OR CHIRLA.

FOR HUMANE IMMIGRANT RIGHTS OF LOS ANGELES, OR CHIRLA.

SHE SAYS THE CHILDREN FLEEING LOS ANGELES, OR CHIRLA.

SHE SAYS THE CHILDREN FLEEING COUNTRIES LIKE GUATEMALA, SHE SAYS THE CHILDREN FLEEING COUNTRIES LIKE GUATEMALA, HONDURAS AND EL SALVADOR ARE COUNTRIES LIKE GUATEMALA, HONDURAS AND EL SALVADOR ARE TRYING TO ESCAPE GROWING LEVELS HONDURAS AND EL SALVADOR ARE TRYING TO ESCAPE GROWING LEVELS OF CRIMINAL VIOLENCE AND POVERTY TRYING TO ESCAPE GROWING LEVELS OF CRIMINAL VIOLENCE AND POVERTY IN THEIR COUNTRIES, WITH MANY OF CRIMINAL VIOLENCE AND POVERTY IN THEIR COUNTRIES, WITH MANY RISKING A DANGEROUS RAIL TRIP IN THEIR COUNTRIES, WITH MANY RISKING A DANGEROUS RAIL TRIP ACROSS MEXICO TO GET TO THE RISKING A DANGEROUS RAIL TRIP ACROSS MEXICO TO GET TO THE U.S.-MEXICO BORDER.

ACROSS MEXICO TO GET TO THE U.S.-MEXICO BORDER.

>> THE KIDS ARE COMING BECAUSE U.S.-MEXICO BORDER.

>> THE KIDS ARE COMING BECAUSE THEY ARE SEEKING REFUGE.

THEY ARE SEEKING FAMILY UNITY.

THEY ARE SEEKING REFUGE.

THEY ARE SEEKING FAMILY UNITY.

THEY ARE SEEKING A BETTER LIFE.

THEY ARE SEEKING FAMILY UNITY.

THEY ARE SEEKING A BETTER LIFE.

AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THEY ARE SEEKING A BETTER LIFE.

AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO FIND IT.

>> Reporter: BUT MANY AMERICANS WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO FIND IT.

>> Reporter: BUT MANY AMERICANS DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD.

BACK IN MURRIETA, CALIFORNIA, DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD.

BACK IN MURRIETA, CALIFORNIA, PROTESTORS HAVE SET UP A BACK IN MURRIETA, CALIFORNIA, PROTESTORS HAVE SET UP A SEMI-PERMANENT ENCAMPMENT ACROSS PROTESTORS HAVE SET UP A SEMI-PERMANENT ENCAMPMENT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BORDER SEMI-PERMANENT ENCAMPMENT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE BORDER PATROL STATION.

THE STREET FROM THE BORDER PATROL STATION.

THE DEMONSTRATORS ARE VOWING TO PATROL STATION.

THE DEMONSTRATORS ARE VOWING TO STOP IMMIGRANT CHILDREN FROM THE DEMONSTRATORS ARE VOWING TO STOP IMMIGRANT CHILDREN FROM ARRIVING.

STOP IMMIGRANT CHILDREN FROM ARRIVING.

THEY ARE ALSO PUSHING FOR MUCH ARRIVING.

THEY ARE ALSO PUSHING FOR MUCH TOUGHER IMMIGRATION LAWS.

>> OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS ARE THE TOUGHER IMMIGRATION LAWS.

>> OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS ARE THE WORST IN THE WORLD.

>> Reporter: THE WORST IN THE WORST IN THE WORLD.

>> Reporter: THE WORST IN THE WORLD?

>> WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY WORLD?

>> WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY IMMIGRATION LAWS.

>> Reporter: MANY OF THE IMMIGRATION LAWS.

>> Reporter: MANY OF THE PROTESTORS HERE SAY THEY DON'T >> Reporter: MANY OF THE PROTESTORS HERE SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO APPEAR HARD-HEARTED, PROTESTORS HERE SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO APPEAR HARD-HEARTED, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE WANT TO APPEAR HARD-HEARTED, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE PLIGHT OF MIGRANT CHILDREN.

ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE PLIGHT OF MIGRANT CHILDREN.

THEY'LL TELL YOU THEY JUST WANT PLIGHT OF MIGRANT CHILDREN.

THEY'LL TELL YOU THEY JUST WANT AMERICA TO LOOK AFTER ITS OWN THEY'LL TELL YOU THEY JUST WANT AMERICA TO LOOK AFTER ITS OWN CITIZENS BEFORE HELPING OTHERS.

AMERICA TO LOOK AFTER ITS OWN CITIZENS BEFORE HELPING OTHERS.

ANDREA ROCKWOOD SHARES THAT CITIZENS BEFORE HELPING OTHERS.

ANDREA ROCKWOOD SHARES THAT SENTIMENT.

>> OUR SYSTEM IS COMPLETELY SENTIMENT.

>> OUR SYSTEM IS COMPLETELY BROKEN, AND WE NEED TO FIX OUR >> OUR SYSTEM IS COMPLETELY BROKEN, AND WE NEED TO FIX OUR SYSTEM BEFORE WE CAN EVEN HELP BROKEN, AND WE NEED TO FIX OUR SYSTEM BEFORE WE CAN EVEN HELP ANYBODY.

SYSTEM BEFORE WE CAN EVEN HELP ANYBODY.

WE CAN'T EVEN HELP OUR OWN.

ANYBODY.

WE CAN'T EVEN HELP OUR OWN.

OUR VETERANS ARE ON THE STREETS.

WE CAN'T EVEN HELP OUR OWN.

OUR VETERANS ARE ON THE STREETS.

WE HAVE SO MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE OUR VETERANS ARE ON THE STREETS.

WE HAVE SO MANY HOMELESS PEOPLE HERE NOW.

>> Reporter: SO YOUR ARGUMENT IS HERE NOW.

>> Reporter: SO YOUR ARGUMENT IS WE HAVE PLENTY OF PROBLEMS IN >> Reporter: SO YOUR ARGUMENT IS WE HAVE PLENTY OF PROBLEMS IN THIS COUNTRY?

WE HAVE PLENTY OF PROBLEMS IN THIS COUNTRY?

>> WE HAVE PLENTY OF PROBLEMS.

THIS COUNTRY?

>> WE HAVE PLENTY OF PROBLEMS.

CORRECT.

>> WE HAVE PLENTY OF PROBLEMS.

CORRECT.

AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CORRECT.

AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE OR CHILDREN.

IT'S THE SYSTEM THAT'S WRONG.

RACE OR CHILDREN.

IT'S THE SYSTEM THAT'S WRONG.

IT'S NOT THEM.

IT'S THE SYSTEM THAT'S WRONG.

IT'S NOT THEM.

>> Reporter: TWO MILES AWAY AT A IT'S NOT THEM.

>> Reporter: TWO MILES AWAY AT A GATHERING ON THE LAWN OF >> Reporter: TWO MILES AWAY AT A GATHERING ON THE LAWN OF MURRIETA'S CIVIC CENTER, GATHERING ON THE LAWN OF MURRIETA'S CIVIC CENTER, FEELINGS WERE VERY DIFFERENT.

MURRIETA'S CIVIC CENTER, FEELINGS WERE VERY DIFFERENT.

HERE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THE FEELINGS WERE VERY DIFFERENT.

HERE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THE MIGRANT CHILDREN FROM CENTRAL HERE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THE MIGRANT CHILDREN FROM CENTRAL AMERICA SHOULD BE WELCOMED MIGRANT CHILDREN FROM CENTRAL AMERICA SHOULD BE WELCOMED GATHERED FOR THEIR OWN RALLY.

AMERICA SHOULD BE WELCOMED GATHERED FOR THEIR OWN RALLY.

LOCAL RELIGIOUS LEADERS FROM GATHERED FOR THEIR OWN RALLY.

LOCAL RELIGIOUS LEADERS FROM MANY DENOMINATIONS WERE ALSO LOCAL RELIGIOUS LEADERS FROM MANY DENOMINATIONS WERE ALSO HERE TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT FOR MANY DENOMINATIONS WERE ALSO HERE TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT FOR HELPING THE MIGRANT CHILDREN.

HERE TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT FOR HELPING THE MIGRANT CHILDREN.

>> GOD WANTS US TO DO IT.

HELPING THE MIGRANT CHILDREN.

>> GOD WANTS US TO DO IT.

THERE'S A PHRASE WE USE.

>> GOD WANTS US TO DO IT.

THERE'S A PHRASE WE USE.

"SI DIOS ES SU PADRE, EL THERE'S A PHRASE WE USE.

"SI DIOS ES SU PADRE, EL IMMIGRANTE ES TU HERMANO, TU "SI DIOS ES SU PADRE, EL IMMIGRANTE ES TU HERMANO, TU HERMANA."

IMMIGRANTE ES TU HERMANO, TU HERMANA."

IF GOD IS YOUR FATHER, THE HERMANA."

IF GOD IS YOUR FATHER, THE IMMIGRANT IS YOUR BROTHER OR IF GOD IS YOUR FATHER, THE IMMIGRANT IS YOUR BROTHER OR SISTER.

IMMIGRANT IS YOUR BROTHER OR SISTER.

>> Reporter: BUT WHEN A SMALL SISTER.

>> Reporter: BUT WHEN A SMALL GROUP OF COUNTER-PROTESTORS >> Reporter: BUT WHEN A SMALL GROUP OF COUNTER-PROTESTORS ARRIVED, WORDS GOT HEATED AND GROUP OF COUNTER-PROTESTORS ARRIVED, WORDS GOT HEATED AND PERSONAL.

ARRIVED, WORDS GOT HEATED AND PERSONAL.

>> JUST STOP HATING.

PERSONAL.

>> JUST STOP HATING.

JUST STOP BEING A RACIST.

>> JUST STOP HATING.

JUST STOP BEING A RACIST.

>> I'M NOT A RACIST.

JUST STOP BEING A RACIST.

>> I'M NOT A RACIST.

>> YOU ARE NOT A RACIST?

>> I'M NOT A RACIST.

>> YOU ARE NOT A RACIST?

>> NO, I'M NOT.

>> YOU ARE NOT A RACIST?

>> NO, I'M NOT.

>> Reporter: THESE MEN ARGUED >> NO, I'M NOT.

>> Reporter: THESE MEN ARGUED FOR ABOUT AN HOUR, WITH NEITHER >> Reporter: THESE MEN ARGUED FOR ABOUT AN HOUR, WITH NEITHER CHANGING THE MINDS OF THE OTHER.

FOR ABOUT AN HOUR, WITH NEITHER CHANGING THE MINDS OF THE OTHER.

AND LONG TERM, WHAT'S AHEAD FOR CHANGING THE MINDS OF THE OTHER.

AND LONG TERM, WHAT'S AHEAD FOR THESE THOUSANDS OF UNDOCUMENTED AND LONG TERM, WHAT'S AHEAD FOR THESE THOUSANDS OF UNDOCUMENTED CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES NOW THESE THOUSANDS OF UNDOCUMENTED CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES NOW THAT THEY'RE IN THE UNITED CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILIES NOW THAT THEY'RE IN THE UNITED STATES?

THAT THEY'RE IN THE UNITED STATES?

WELL, EVENTUALLY, THEY'RE STATES?

WELL, EVENTUALLY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO APPEAR IN FEDERAL WELL, EVENTUALLY, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO APPEAR IN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION COURT, WHERE THEIR SUPPOSED TO APPEAR IN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION COURT, WHERE THEIR APPEALS TO STAY IN THE UNITED IMMIGRATION COURT, WHERE THEIR APPEALS TO STAY IN THE UNITED STATES WILL BE HEARD.

APPEALS TO STAY IN THE UNITED STATES WILL BE HEARD.

BUT CRITICS QUESTION JUST HOW STATES WILL BE HEARD.

BUT CRITICS QUESTION JUST HOW MUCH JUSTICE THEY'LL RECEIVE IN BUT CRITICS QUESTION JUST HOW MUCH JUSTICE THEY'LL RECEIVE IN THE COURTROOM.

MUCH JUSTICE THEY'LL RECEIVE IN THE COURTROOM.

>> WE SEE DUE PROCESS VIOLATED, THE COURTROOM.

>> WE SEE DUE PROCESS VIOLATED, DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

THERE ARE SO MANY IMMIGRANTS IN DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

THERE ARE SO MANY IMMIGRANTS IN THESE COURTROOMS THAT NEVER HAVE THERE ARE SO MANY IMMIGRANTS IN THESE COURTROOMS THAT NEVER HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THESE COURTROOMS THAT NEVER HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE REPRESENTATION OR EVEN CONSULT THE ABILITY TO HAVE REPRESENTATION OR EVEN CONSULT WITH A LAWYER.

REPRESENTATION OR EVEN CONSULT WITH A LAWYER.

>> Reporter: JUDY LONDON IS AN WITH A LAWYER.

>> Reporter: JUDY LONDON IS AN ATTORNEY WITH PUBLIC COUNSEL, A >> Reporter: JUDY LONDON IS AN ATTORNEY WITH PUBLIC COUNSEL, A PUBLIC INTEREST LAW FIRM THAT ATTORNEY WITH PUBLIC COUNSEL, A PUBLIC INTEREST LAW FIRM THAT PROVIDES LEGAL ASSISTANCE TO PUBLIC INTEREST LAW FIRM THAT PROVIDES LEGAL ASSISTANCE TO UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS.

PROVIDES LEGAL ASSISTANCE TO UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS.

SHE SAYS WHEN THE MIGRANT UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS.

SHE SAYS WHEN THE MIGRANT CHILDREN FINALLY APPEAR IN SHE SAYS WHEN THE MIGRANT CHILDREN FINALLY APPEAR IN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION COURT, LIKE CHILDREN FINALLY APPEAR IN FEDERAL IMMIGRATION COURT, LIKE THE ONE INSIDE THIS DOWNTOWN LOS FEDERAL IMMIGRATION COURT, LIKE THE ONE INSIDE THIS DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES OFFICE TOWER, MANY WILL THE ONE INSIDE THIS DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES OFFICE TOWER, MANY WILL APPLY FOR ASLYUM BECAUSE OF ANGELES OFFICE TOWER, MANY WILL APPLY FOR ASLYUM BECAUSE OF VIOLENCE IN THEIR NATIVE APPLY FOR ASLYUM BECAUSE OF VIOLENCE IN THEIR NATIVE COUNTRIES.

VIOLENCE IN THEIR NATIVE COUNTRIES.

BUT UNLESS THEY OR THEIR COUNTRIES.

BUT UNLESS THEY OR THEIR FAMILIES CAN PAY FOR IT, THEY BUT UNLESS THEY OR THEIR FAMILIES CAN PAY FOR IT, THEY WON'T BE PROVIDED AN ATTORNEY.

FAMILIES CAN PAY FOR IT, THEY WON'T BE PROVIDED AN ATTORNEY.

>> SO UNDER OUR CURRENT WON'T BE PROVIDED AN ATTORNEY.

>> SO UNDER OUR CURRENT IMMIGRATION COURT SYSTEM, THE >> SO UNDER OUR CURRENT IMMIGRATION COURT SYSTEM, THE GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR A JUDGE, IMMIGRATION COURT SYSTEM, THE GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR A JUDGE, PAYS FOR AN IMMIGRATION GOVERNMENT PAYS FOR A JUDGE, PAYS FOR AN IMMIGRATION PROSECUTOR, WHOSE GOAL IS TO PAYS FOR AN IMMIGRATION PROSECUTOR, WHOSE GOAL IS TO DEPORT THE CHILD, BUT THERE IS PROSECUTOR, WHOSE GOAL IS TO DEPORT THE CHILD, BUT THERE IS NO COUNSEL FOR THE CHILD.

DEPORT THE CHILD, BUT THERE IS NO COUNSEL FOR THE CHILD.

THIS IS A LONG STANDING PROBLEM, NO COUNSEL FOR THE CHILD.

THIS IS A LONG STANDING PROBLEM, WHERE THOSE OF US WHO WORK IN THIS IS A LONG STANDING PROBLEM, WHERE THOSE OF US WHO WORK IN IMMIGRATION LAW FOR YEARS HAVE WHERE THOSE OF US WHO WORK IN IMMIGRATION LAW FOR YEARS HAVE HAD TO SIT IN COURT AND WATCH IMMIGRATION LAW FOR YEARS HAVE HAD TO SIT IN COURT AND WATCH CHILDREN, SOMETIMES TODDLERS, BE HAD TO SIT IN COURT AND WATCH CHILDREN, SOMETIMES TODDLERS, BE HELD BEFORE A JUDGE WITH NO ONE CHILDREN, SOMETIMES TODDLERS, BE HELD BEFORE A JUDGE WITH NO ONE TO SPEAK FOR THEM.

HELD BEFORE A JUDGE WITH NO ONE TO SPEAK FOR THEM.

>> Reporter: IN RESPONSE, TO SPEAK FOR THEM.

>> Reporter: IN RESPONSE, LONDON'S GROUP HAS FILED A CLASS >> Reporter: IN RESPONSE, LONDON'S GROUP HAS FILED A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT ON BEHALF OF THE LONDON'S GROUP HAS FILED A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT ON BEHALF OF THE THOUSANDS OF UNDOCUMENTED ACTION LAWSUIT ON BEHALF OF THE THOUSANDS OF UNDOCUMENTED CENTRAL AMERICAN YOUTH WHO HAVE THOUSANDS OF UNDOCUMENTED CENTRAL AMERICAN YOUTH WHO HAVE RECENTLY ARRIVED IN THE U.S.

IT CENTRAL AMERICAN YOUTH WHO HAVE RECENTLY ARRIVED IN THE U.S.

IT DEMANDS THAT THE GOVERNMENT RECENTLY ARRIVED IN THE U.S.

IT DEMANDS THAT THE GOVERNMENT PROVIDE LEGAL REPRESENTATION FOR DEMANDS THAT THE GOVERNMENT PROVIDE LEGAL REPRESENTATION FOR THE CHILDREN.

PROVIDE LEGAL REPRESENTATION FOR THE CHILDREN.

>> WHEN YOU DEPRIVE A PORTION OF THE CHILDREN.

>> WHEN YOU DEPRIVE A PORTION OF THE POPULATION TO ACCESSING >> WHEN YOU DEPRIVE A PORTION OF THE POPULATION TO ACCESSING COUNSEL YOU CREATE A SYSTEM THAT THE POPULATION TO ACCESSING COUNSEL YOU CREATE A SYSTEM THAT IS JUST FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR FOR COUNSEL YOU CREATE A SYSTEM THAT IS JUST FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR FOR THOSE WHO ARE SWEPT THROUGH IT.

IS JUST FUNDAMENTALLY UNFAIR FOR THOSE WHO ARE SWEPT THROUGH IT.

>> Reporter: AND AS AMERICA THOSE WHO ARE SWEPT THROUGH IT.

>> Reporter: AND AS AMERICA STRUGGLES WITH HOW BEST TO DEAL >> Reporter: AND AS AMERICA STRUGGLES WITH HOW BEST TO DEAL WITH THE YOUNG MIGRANTS WHO ARE STRUGGLES WITH HOW BEST TO DEAL WITH THE YOUNG MIGRANTS WHO ARE ALREADY HERE, MORE ARE MAKING WITH THE YOUNG MIGRANTS WHO ARE ALREADY HERE, MORE ARE MAKING THE LONG AND DANGEROUS JOURNEY ALREADY HERE, MORE ARE MAKING THE LONG AND DANGEROUS JOURNEY TO NORTH TO TRY TO GET INTO THIS THE LONG AND DANGEROUS JOURNEY TO NORTH TO TRY TO GET INTO THIS COUNTRY.

TO NORTH TO TRY TO GET INTO THIS COUNTRY.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS COUNTRY.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M SAUL GONZALEZ FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M SAUL GONZALEZ IN LOS ANGELES.

NEWSWEEKLY," I'M SAUL GONZALEZ IN LOS ANGELES.

>>> OUR MANAGING EDITOR KIM IN LOS ANGELES.

>>> OUR MANAGING EDITOR KIM LAWTON AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT >>> OUR MANAGING EDITOR KIM LAWTON AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MULTIPLE CHALLENGES OF THE LAWTON AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MULTIPLE CHALLENGES OF THE IMMIGRANT SURGE.

THE MULTIPLE CHALLENGES OF THE IMMIGRANT SURGE.

KIM, THERE ARE ABOUT 50,000 OR IMMIGRANT SURGE.

KIM, THERE ARE ABOUT 50,000 OR SO OF THESE KIDS FROM CENTRAL KIM, THERE ARE ABOUT 50,000 OR SO OF THESE KIDS FROM CENTRAL AMERICA WHO HAVE COME IN ACROSS SO OF THESE KIDS FROM CENTRAL AMERICA WHO HAVE COME IN ACROSS THE BORDER THIS YEAR.

AMERICA WHO HAVE COME IN ACROSS THE BORDER THIS YEAR.

AND THEY'VE OVERWHELMED THE THE BORDER THIS YEAR.

AND THEY'VE OVERWHELMED THE SYSTEM THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GIVE AND THEY'VE OVERWHELMED THE SYSTEM THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GIVE THEM COURT HEARINGS AND HAVE A SYSTEM THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GIVE THEM COURT HEARINGS AND HAVE A JUDGE DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM COURT HEARINGS AND HAVE A JUDGE DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM.

JUDGE DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM.

THE PRESIDENT IS ASKING CONGRESS THEM.

THE PRESIDENT IS ASKING CONGRESS FOR $3.7 BILLION TO TRY TO DO THE PRESIDENT IS ASKING CONGRESS FOR $3.7 BILLION TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROBLEM, BUT FOR $3.7 BILLION TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROBLEM, BUT CONGRESS IS ABOUT TO GO ON SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROBLEM, BUT CONGRESS IS ABOUT TO GO ON VACATION.

CONGRESS IS ABOUT TO GO ON VACATION.

WHAT ARE RELIGIOUS LEADERS VACATION.

WHAT ARE RELIGIOUS LEADERS SAYING ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK WHAT ARE RELIGIOUS LEADERS SAYING ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK SHOULD HAPPEN NOW?

SAYING ABOUT WHAT THEY THINK SHOULD HAPPEN NOW?

WHAT DO THEY WANT?

SHOULD HAPPEN NOW?

WHAT DO THEY WANT?

>> WELL, OF COURSE THEY WANT TO WHAT DO THEY WANT?

>> WELL, OF COURSE THEY WANT TO SEE THE CHILDREN CARED FOR IN >> WELL, OF COURSE THEY WANT TO SEE THE CHILDREN CARED FOR IN THE SHORT TERM, THAT'S ONE SEE THE CHILDREN CARED FOR IN THE SHORT TERM, THAT'S ONE THING.

THE SHORT TERM, THAT'S ONE THING.

THEY'RE ALSO VERY ACTIVELY THING.

THEY'RE ALSO VERY ACTIVELY LOBBYING FOR CHANGES IN THE THEY'RE ALSO VERY ACTIVELY LOBBYING FOR CHANGES IN THE POLICY.

LOBBYING FOR CHANGES IN THE POLICY.

SOME WANT TO SEE CHANGES SO THE POLICY.

SOME WANT TO SEE CHANGES SO THE SYSTEM CAN BE STREAMLINED SO SOME WANT TO SEE CHANGES SO THE SYSTEM CAN BE STREAMLINED SO THESE KIDS AREN'T JUST WAITING.

SYSTEM CAN BE STREAMLINED SO THESE KIDS AREN'T JUST WAITING.

UM, SOME ARE PETITIONING THAT THESE KIDS AREN'T JUST WAITING.

UM, SOME ARE PETITIONING THAT THE KIDS AREN'T SENT BACK.

THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS HAD A THE KIDS AREN'T SENT BACK.

THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS HAD A REALLY STRONG STATEMENT SAYING, THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS HAD A REALLY STRONG STATEMENT SAYING, "DON'T SEND THE KIDS BACK, THAT REALLY STRONG STATEMENT SAYING, "DON'T SEND THE KIDS BACK, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MORALLY "DON'T SEND THE KIDS BACK, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MORALLY WRONG TO SEND THEM BACK TO WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MORALLY WRONG TO SEND THEM BACK TO DANGEROUS SITUATIONS."

WRONG TO SEND THEM BACK TO DANGEROUS SITUATIONS."

OTHERS IN THE RELIGIOUS DANGEROUS SITUATIONS."

OTHERS IN THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY ARE SAYING, "YES, IT'S OTHERS IN THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY ARE SAYING, "YES, IT'S A MATTER OF LAW AND ORDER.

COMMUNITY ARE SAYING, "YES, IT'S A MATTER OF LAW AND ORDER.

SEND THEM BACK TO THEIR LOVING A MATTER OF LAW AND ORDER.

SEND THEM BACK TO THEIR LOVING FAMILIES."

SO IT'S VERY COMPLICATED AND FAMILIES."

SO IT'S VERY COMPLICATED AND THERE'S A LOT OF RELIGIOUS SO IT'S VERY COMPLICATED AND THERE'S A LOT OF RELIGIOUS ACTIVITY.

THERE'S A LOT OF RELIGIOUS ACTIVITY.

>> AND WHAT ARE THEY SAYING ACTIVITY.

>> AND WHAT ARE THEY SAYING ABOUT FOREIGN AID TO TRY TO >> AND WHAT ARE THEY SAYING ABOUT FOREIGN AID TO TRY TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS AT THEIR ABOUT FOREIGN AID TO TRY TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS AT THEIR SOURCE?

SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS AT THEIR SOURCE?

>> WELL, THERE HAS BEEN, THERE SOURCE?

>> WELL, THERE HAS BEEN, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CALLS, >> WELL, THERE HAS BEEN, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CALLS, ESPECIALLY THIS WEEK FROM THE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF CALLS, ESPECIALLY THIS WEEK FROM THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY TO SAY, IN ESPECIALLY THIS WEEK FROM THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY TO SAY, IN ADDITION TO DEALING WITH THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY TO SAY, IN ADDITION TO DEALING WITH THE MOST IMMEDIATE CRISIS THAT WE ADDITION TO DEALING WITH THE MOST IMMEDIATE CRISIS THAT WE HAVE NOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT MOST IMMEDIATE CRISIS THAT WE HAVE NOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE HOME HAVE NOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE HOME COUNTRIES.

WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE HOME COUNTRIES.

HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THE SOCIAL COUNTRIES.

HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THE SOCIAL FABRIC OF THESE PLACES?

HOW CAN WE, UH, ENHANCE FABRIC OF THESE PLACES?

HOW CAN WE, UH, ENHANCE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT THE PEOPLE HOW CAN WE, UH, ENHANCE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE?

DEVELOPMENT SO THAT THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE?

>> AND SOMETHING NOT TALKED DON'T WANT TO LEAVE?

>> AND SOMETHING NOT TALKED ABOUT VERY MUCH IS THAT SOME OF >> AND SOMETHING NOT TALKED ABOUT VERY MUCH IS THAT SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS THE VIOLENCE, AND ABOUT VERY MUCH IS THAT SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS THE VIOLENCE, AND THE CORRUPTION ARE IN PART THESE PROBLEMS THE VIOLENCE, AND THE CORRUPTION ARE IN PART CAUSED BY THE DRUG WAR WHICH THE THE CORRUPTION ARE IN PART CAUSED BY THE DRUG WAR WHICH THE DEMAND FOR DRUGS IN THE UNITED CAUSED BY THE DRUG WAR WHICH THE DEMAND FOR DRUGS IN THE UNITED STATES HELPS FUEL.

DEMAND FOR DRUGS IN THE UNITED STATES HELPS FUEL.

>> EXACTLY.

STATES HELPS FUEL.

>> EXACTLY.

CORRUPTION, ORGANIZED CRIME, THE >> EXACTLY.

CORRUPTION, ORGANIZED CRIME, THE DRUG ACTIVITY.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS RELIGIOUS DRUG ACTIVITY.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS RELIGIOUS GROUPS HAVE BEEN SAYING, "WE ALL OF THOSE THINGS RELIGIOUS GROUPS HAVE BEEN SAYING, "WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE ISSUES SO GROUPS HAVE BEEN SAYING, "WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE ISSUES SO THAT THE KIDS CAN WANT TO STAY.

NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE ISSUES SO THAT THE KIDS CAN WANT TO STAY.

YOU KNOW, THEIR PARENTS WANT THAT THE KIDS CAN WANT TO STAY.

YOU KNOW, THEIR PARENTS WANT THEM TO STAY WITH THEIR YOU KNOW, THEIR PARENTS WANT THEM TO STAY WITH THEIR FAMILIES."

THEM TO STAY WITH THEIR FAMILIES."

>> WELL, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO FAMILIES."

>> WELL, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO SOMEBODY, MAYBE YOUR >> WELL, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO SOMEBODY, MAYBE YOUR NEIGHBOR, WHO SAYS WITH GREAT YOU SAY TO SOMEBODY, MAYBE YOUR NEIGHBOR, WHO SAYS WITH GREAT FEELING -- AND WE HEARD SOME OF NEIGHBOR, WHO SAYS WITH GREAT FEELING -- AND WE HEARD SOME OF THIS IN SAUL'S PIECE -- SAY, SAY FEELING -- AND WE HEARD SOME OF THIS IN SAUL'S PIECE -- SAY, SAY TO THEM, PEOPLE WHO SAY, "WE THIS IN SAUL'S PIECE -- SAY, SAY TO THEM, PEOPLE WHO SAY, "WE JUST DON'T WANT ANY OF THESE TO THEM, PEOPLE WHO SAY, "WE JUST DON'T WANT ANY OF THESE KIDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

JUST DON'T WANT ANY OF THESE KIDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOT IN MY BACKYARD."

KIDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOT IN MY BACKYARD."

AND, EVEN, THIS PAST WEEK PEOPLE NOT IN MY BACKYARD."

AND, EVEN, THIS PAST WEEK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING WHEN SOME OF AND, EVEN, THIS PAST WEEK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING WHEN SOME OF THE GOVERNMENT WANTED TO COME IN HAVE BEEN SAYING WHEN SOME OF THE GOVERNMENT WANTED TO COME IN AND PERHAPS HOUSE SOME OF THE THE GOVERNMENT WANTED TO COME IN AND PERHAPS HOUSE SOME OF THE KIDS, THEY'RE SAYING NO.

AND PERHAPS HOUSE SOME OF THE KIDS, THEY'RE SAYING NO.

>> WELL, AND SOME OF THAT'S KIDS, THEY'RE SAYING NO.

>> WELL, AND SOME OF THAT'S ECONOMIC, IT'S NOT JUST, YOU >> WELL, AND SOME OF THAT'S ECONOMIC, IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW SOME PEOPLE SAY, "OH, ECONOMIC, IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW SOME PEOPLE SAY, "OH, THAT'S ALL RACISM."

KNOW SOME PEOPLE SAY, "OH, THAT'S ALL RACISM."

FOR SOME OF THESE PEOPLE IT IS THAT'S ALL RACISM."

FOR SOME OF THESE PEOPLE IT IS ECONOMIC QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO FOR SOME OF THESE PEOPLE IT IS ECONOMIC QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO PAYS FOR THIS.

ECONOMIC QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO PAYS FOR THIS.

WE WERE ALREADY IN A BUDGET PAYS FOR THIS.

WE WERE ALREADY IN A BUDGET CRISIS, HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ALREADY IN A BUDGET CRISIS, HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, MORALLY ALLOCATE OUR RESOURCES.

CRISIS, HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, MORALLY ALLOCATE OUR RESOURCES.

WE DID HEAR A LOT FROM THE MORALLY ALLOCATE OUR RESOURCES.

WE DID HEAR A LOT FROM THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY, THOSE WE DID HEAR A LOT FROM THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY, THOSE SAYING WE NEED TO RESPOND IN RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY, THOSE SAYING WE NEED TO RESPOND IN COMPASSION, ESPECIALLY FOR THE SAYING WE NEED TO RESPOND IN COMPASSION, ESPECIALLY FOR THE KIDS.

COMPASSION, ESPECIALLY FOR THE KIDS.

AND WE NEED TO WATCH OUT FOR KIDS.

AND WE NEED TO WATCH OUT FOR ANYTHING THAT, THAT IS NOT AND WE NEED TO WATCH OUT FOR ANYTHING THAT, THAT IS NOT COMPASSIONATE.

ANYTHING THAT, THAT IS NOT COMPASSIONATE.

AND SO YOU EVEN SAW AMONG COMPASSIONATE.

AND SO YOU EVEN SAW AMONG RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES THERE AND SO YOU EVEN SAW AMONG RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES THERE WAS A STRONG STATEMENT FROM RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES THERE WAS A STRONG STATEMENT FROM RUSSELL MOORE, A SOUTHERN WAS A STRONG STATEMENT FROM RUSSELL MOORE, A SOUTHERN BAPTIST LEADER WHO'S POLITICALLY RUSSELL MOORE, A SOUTHERN BAPTIST LEADER WHO'S POLITICALLY CONSERVATIVE, URGING HIS PEOPLE, BAPTIST LEADER WHO'S POLITICALLY CONSERVATIVE, URGING HIS PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE GOSPEL HE SAID CONSERVATIVE, URGING HIS PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE GOSPEL HE SAID DOESN'T GIVE US DETAILS ABOUT YOU KNOW, THE GOSPEL HE SAID DOESN'T GIVE US DETAILS ABOUT HOW TO KEEP THE BORDER SAFE AND DOESN'T GIVE US DETAILS ABOUT HOW TO KEEP THE BORDER SAFE AND HAVE A JUST IMMIGRATION POLICY.

HOW TO KEEP THE BORDER SAFE AND HAVE A JUST IMMIGRATION POLICY.

HE SAID BUT IT DOES TELL US WE HAVE A JUST IMMIGRATION POLICY.

HE SAID BUT IT DOES TELL US WE CAN'T RESPOND IN WHAT HE SAID HE SAID BUT IT DOES TELL US WE CAN'T RESPOND IN WHAT HE SAID WAS "ANGER AND DISGUST."

CAN'T RESPOND IN WHAT HE SAID WAS "ANGER AND DISGUST."

>> KIM LAWTON, MANY THANKS.

WAS "ANGER AND DISGUST."

>> KIM LAWTON, MANY THANKS.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, POPE FRANCIS >> KIM LAWTON, MANY THANKS.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, POPE FRANCIS CAUSED A STIR WHEN HE WAS QUOTED >>> IN OTHER NEWS, POPE FRANCIS CAUSED A STIR WHEN HE WAS QUOTED IN AN ITALIAN NEWSPAPER AS CAUSED A STIR WHEN HE WAS QUOTED IN AN ITALIAN NEWSPAPER AS SAYING THAT 2% OF ALL CATHOLIC IN AN ITALIAN NEWSPAPER AS SAYING THAT 2% OF ALL CATHOLIC PRIESTS ARE PEDOPHILES.

SAYING THAT 2% OF ALL CATHOLIC PRIESTS ARE PEDOPHILES.

FRANCIS SAID THE FIGURE MAY EVEN PRIESTS ARE PEDOPHILES.

FRANCIS SAID THE FIGURE MAY EVEN INCLUDE BISHOPS AND CARDINALS.

THAT WOULD COME OUT TO ABOUT INCLUDE BISHOPS AND CARDINALS.

THAT WOULD COME OUT TO ABOUT 8,000 PRIESTS WORLDWIDE.

THE VATICAN SAID THE INTERVIEW 8,000 PRIESTS WORLDWIDE.

THE VATICAN SAID THE INTERVIEW SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AS THE THE VATICAN SAID THE INTERVIEW SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AS THE POPE'S EXACT WORDS BECAUSE HIS SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AS THE POPE'S EXACT WORDS BECAUSE HIS ANSWERS WERE NOT RECORDED, BUT POPE'S EXACT WORDS BECAUSE HIS ANSWERS WERE NOT RECORDED, BUT IT DID SAY THE ARTICLE "CAPTURES ANSWERS WERE NOT RECORDED, BUT IT DID SAY THE ARTICLE "CAPTURES THE SPIRIT OF THE CONVERSATION."

IT DID SAY THE ARTICLE "CAPTURES THE SPIRIT OF THE CONVERSATION."

>>> MEANWHILE, A GROWING SEX THE SPIRIT OF THE CONVERSATION."

>>> MEANWHILE, A GROWING SEX ABUSE SCANDAL HERE IN THE U.S. >>> MEANWHILE, A GROWING SEX ABUSE SCANDAL HERE IN THE U.S.

IN AN AFFIDAVIT FILED THIS WEEK, ABUSE SCANDAL HERE IN THE U.S.

IN AN AFFIDAVIT FILED THIS WEEK, THE FORMER CHANCELLOR OF THE IN AN AFFIDAVIT FILED THIS WEEK, THE FORMER CHANCELLOR OF THE CATHOLIC ARCHDIOCESE OF ST. PAUL THE FORMER CHANCELLOR OF THE CATHOLIC ARCHDIOCESE OF ST. PAUL AND MINNEAPOLIS ACCUSED CATHOLIC ARCHDIOCESE OF ST. PAUL AND MINNEAPOLIS ACCUSED ARCHBISHOP JOHN NIENSTEDT AND AND MINNEAPOLIS ACCUSED ARCHBISHOP JOHN NIENSTEDT AND OTHER CHURCH OFFICIALS OF ARCHBISHOP JOHN NIENSTEDT AND OTHER CHURCH OFFICIALS OF COVERING UP SEX CRIMES BY OTHER CHURCH OFFICIALS OF COVERING UP SEX CRIMES BY CLERGY.

COVERING UP SEX CRIMES BY CLERGY.

THE ARCHDIOCESE HAS BEEN ROCKED CLERGY.

THE ARCHDIOCESE HAS BEEN ROCKED BY A SERIES OF ALLEGATIONS OF THE ARCHDIOCESE HAS BEEN ROCKED BY A SERIES OF ALLEGATIONS OF ABUSE AND SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.

BY A SERIES OF ALLEGATIONS OF ABUSE AND SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.

>>> IN AN HISTORIC FIRST, THE ABUSE AND SEXUAL MISCONDUCT.

>>> IN AN HISTORIC FIRST, THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND VOTED TO ALLOW >>> IN AN HISTORIC FIRST, THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND VOTED TO ALLOW WOMEN TO BECOME BISHOPS.

CHURCH OF ENGLAND VOTED TO ALLOW WOMEN TO BECOME BISHOPS.

TWO YEARS AGO THE MEASURE WAS WOMEN TO BECOME BISHOPS.

TWO YEARS AGO THE MEASURE WAS NARROWLY DEFEATED, BUT THIS TIME TWO YEARS AGO THE MEASURE WAS NARROWLY DEFEATED, BUT THIS TIME IT PASSED WITH AN OVERWHELMING NARROWLY DEFEATED, BUT THIS TIME IT PASSED WITH AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF VOTES.

IT PASSED WITH AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF VOTES.

ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY JUSTIN MAJORITY OF VOTES.

ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY JUSTIN WELBY HAD LONG BEEN IN FAVOR OF ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY JUSTIN WELBY HAD LONG BEEN IN FAVOR OF THE CHANGE.

WELBY HAD LONG BEEN IN FAVOR OF THE CHANGE.

EIGHT OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN THE THE CHANGE.

EIGHT OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN THE WORLDWIDE ANGLICAN COMMUNION EIGHT OTHER JURISDICTIONS IN THE WORLDWIDE ANGLICAN COMMUNION ALREADY HAVE WOMEN BISHOPS.

WORLDWIDE ANGLICAN COMMUNION ALREADY HAVE WOMEN BISHOPS.

>>> HERE IN THE U.S., A FEDERAL ALREADY HAVE WOMEN BISHOPS.

>>> HERE IN THE U.S., A FEDERAL JUDGE STRUCK DOWN CALIFORNIA'S >>> HERE IN THE U.S., A FEDERAL JUDGE STRUCK DOWN CALIFORNIA'S DEATH PENALTY THIS WEEK.

JUDGE STRUCK DOWN CALIFORNIA'S DEATH PENALTY THIS WEEK.

IN THE CASE OF AN INMATE ON DEATH PENALTY THIS WEEK.

IN THE CASE OF AN INMATE ON DEATH ROW SINCE 1995, JUDGE IN THE CASE OF AN INMATE ON DEATH ROW SINCE 1995, JUDGE CORMAC CARNEY ARGUED THAT DEATH ROW SINCE 1995, JUDGE CORMAC CARNEY ARGUED THAT LENGTHY DELAYS BEFORE EXECUTION CORMAC CARNEY ARGUED THAT LENGTHY DELAYS BEFORE EXECUTION VIOLATE THE U.S. CONSTITUTION LENGTHY DELAYS BEFORE EXECUTION VIOLATE THE U.S. CONSTITUTION BECAUSE THEY CREATE A CRUEL AND VIOLATE THE U.S. CONSTITUTION BECAUSE THEY CREATE A CRUEL AND ARBITRARY SYSTEM OF PUNISHMENT.

BECAUSE THEY CREATE A CRUEL AND ARBITRARY SYSTEM OF PUNISHMENT.

THE JUDGE NOTED THAT OVER ARBITRARY SYSTEM OF PUNISHMENT.

THE JUDGE NOTED THAT OVER 900 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SENTENCED THE JUDGE NOTED THAT OVER 900 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SENTENCED TO DEATH IN CALIFORNIA SINCE 900 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SENTENCED TO DEATH IN CALIFORNIA SINCE 1978, BUT ONLY 13 HAVE BEEN TO DEATH IN CALIFORNIA SINCE 1978, BUT ONLY 13 HAVE BEEN EXECUTED.

1978, BUT ONLY 13 HAVE BEEN EXECUTED.

THE STATE IS EXPECTED TO APPEAL EXECUTED.

THE STATE IS EXPECTED TO APPEAL THE DECISION.

>>> NOW, THE ENORMOUS MENTAL THE DECISION.

>>> NOW, THE ENORMOUS MENTAL HEALTH GAP IN INDIA, WHERE THERE >>> NOW, THE ENORMOUS MENTAL HEALTH GAP IN INDIA, WHERE THERE ARE JUST A FEW THOUSAND HEALTH GAP IN INDIA, WHERE THERE ARE JUST A FEW THOUSAND PSYCHIATRISTS FOR PERHAPS ARE JUST A FEW THOUSAND PSYCHIATRISTS FOR PERHAPS 100 MILLION VICTIMS OF MENTAL PSYCHIATRISTS FOR PERHAPS 100 MILLION VICTIMS OF MENTAL ILLNESS.

100 MILLION VICTIMS OF MENTAL ILLNESS.

FRED DE SAM LAZARO REPORTS THAT ILLNESS.

FRED DE SAM LAZARO REPORTS THAT GRADUALLY, IN SOME PLACES, FRED DE SAM LAZARO REPORTS THAT GRADUALLY, IN SOME PLACES, ALONGSIDE TRADITIONAL PRACTICES GRADUALLY, IN SOME PLACES, ALONGSIDE TRADITIONAL PRACTICES OF FAITH HEALING AND MAGIC, ALONGSIDE TRADITIONAL PRACTICES OF FAITH HEALING AND MAGIC, MODERN MEDICAL CARE IS BEING OF FAITH HEALING AND MAGIC, MODERN MEDICAL CARE IS BEING ACCEPTED.

MODERN MEDICAL CARE IS BEING ACCEPTED.

>> Reporter: THIS TOMB OF AN ACCEPTED.

>> Reporter: THIS TOMB OF AN ISLAMIC FIGURE REVERED HERE IN >> Reporter: THIS TOMB OF AN ISLAMIC FIGURE REVERED HERE IN WESTERN INDIA, MARTYRED ISLAMIC FIGURE REVERED HERE IN WESTERN INDIA, MARTYRED 500 YEARS AGO, HAS LONG BEEN A WESTERN INDIA, MARTYRED 500 YEARS AGO, HAS LONG BEEN A PILGRIMAGE DESTINATION.

500 YEARS AGO, HAS LONG BEEN A PILGRIMAGE DESTINATION.

THOUSANDS OF FAITHFUL -- NOT PILGRIMAGE DESTINATION.

THOUSANDS OF FAITHFUL -- NOT JUST MUSLIMS BUT ALSO HINDUS, THOUSANDS OF FAITHFUL -- NOT JUST MUSLIMS BUT ALSO HINDUS, CHRISTIANS, SIKHS AND OTHERS JUST MUSLIMS BUT ALSO HINDUS, CHRISTIANS, SIKHS AND OTHERS FROM ACROSS INDIA -- COME HERE CHRISTIANS, SIKHS AND OTHERS FROM ACROSS INDIA -- COME HERE EACH DAY TO PRAY FOR A BLESSING FROM ACROSS INDIA -- COME HERE EACH DAY TO PRAY FOR A BLESSING OR A MIRACLE COUPLES UNABLE TO EACH DAY TO PRAY FOR A BLESSING OR A MIRACLE COUPLES UNABLE TO CONCEIVE, PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM OR A MIRACLE COUPLES UNABLE TO CONCEIVE, PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM VARIOUS MALADIES.

CONCEIVE, PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM VARIOUS MALADIES.

IT'S ALSO THE CLOSEST THING FOR VARIOUS MALADIES.

IT'S ALSO THE CLOSEST THING FOR MANY INDIANS TO A MENTAL HEALTH IT'S ALSO THE CLOSEST THING FOR MANY INDIANS TO A MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY.

MANY INDIANS TO A MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY.

IT IS A TABOO SUBJECT, THE FACILITY.

IT IS A TABOO SUBJECT, THE STIGMA ESPECIALLY HARD ON IT IS A TABOO SUBJECT, THE STIGMA ESPECIALLY HARD ON FAMILIES OF PEOPLE WITH MENTAL STIGMA ESPECIALLY HARD ON FAMILIES OF PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS.

FAMILIES OF PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS.

TREATED AS A CURSE, A DEMONIC ILLNESS.

TREATED AS A CURSE, A DEMONIC POSSESSION OR KARMA FOR MISDEEDS TREATED AS A CURSE, A DEMONIC POSSESSION OR KARMA FOR MISDEEDS IN A PAST LIFE.

POSSESSION OR KARMA FOR MISDEEDS IN A PAST LIFE.

SAYYAD VARIS ALI IS A TRUSTEE OF IN A PAST LIFE.

SAYYAD VARIS ALI IS A TRUSTEE OF THE SHRINE.

>> THE PEOPLE WHO COME HERE WITH THE SHRINE.

>> THE PEOPLE WHO COME HERE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS, THEY HAVE TRIED >> THE PEOPLE WHO COME HERE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS, THEY HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING ELSE AND THEY HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS, THEY HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING ELSE AND THEY HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY RELIEF.

EVERYTHING ELSE AND THEY HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY RELIEF.

AND FINALLY THIS IS THE PLACE NOT GOTTEN ANY RELIEF.

AND FINALLY THIS IS THE PLACE THAT THEY COME TO, THEY COME AND FINALLY THIS IS THE PLACE THAT THEY COME TO, THEY COME HERE TO PRAY.

THAT THEY COME TO, THEY COME HERE TO PRAY.

>> Reporter: AT THIS SHRINE HERE TO PRAY.

>> Reporter: AT THIS SHRINE DOZENS OF FAITH HEALERS CALLED >> Reporter: AT THIS SHRINE DOZENS OF FAITH HEALERS CALLED "KADIMS" RECITE PRAYERS WHILE DOZENS OF FAITH HEALERS CALLED "KADIMS" RECITE PRAYERS WHILE PATIENTS PERFORM RITUALS "KADIMS" RECITE PRAYERS WHILE PATIENTS PERFORM RITUALS BREATHING IN SMOKE FROM INCENSE PATIENTS PERFORM RITUALS BREATHING IN SMOKE FROM INCENSE BURNED AT THE TOMB, WALKING BREATHING IN SMOKE FROM INCENSE BURNED AT THE TOMB, WALKING AROUND THIS DOME SEVEN TIMES.

BURNED AT THE TOMB, WALKING AROUND THIS DOME SEVEN TIMES.

THE NUMBERS IN INDIA ARE SIMPLY AROUND THIS DOME SEVEN TIMES.

THE NUMBERS IN INDIA ARE SIMPLY STAGGERING.

THERE ARE THOUGHT TO BE ABOUT STAGGERING.

THERE ARE THOUGHT TO BE ABOUT 100 MILLION PEOPLE WITH COMMON THERE ARE THOUGHT TO BE ABOUT 100 MILLION PEOPLE WITH COMMON MENTAL DISORDERS AND UP TO 100 MILLION PEOPLE WITH COMMON MENTAL DISORDERS AND UP TO 20 MILLION WITH SEVERE MENTAL MENTAL DISORDERS AND UP TO 20 MILLION WITH SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESSES SUCH AS SCHIZOPHRENIA.

20 MILLION WITH SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESSES SUCH AS SCHIZOPHRENIA.

FOR ALL OF THEM, THERE ARE JUST ILLNESSES SUCH AS SCHIZOPHRENIA.

FOR ALL OF THEM, THERE ARE JUST 5,000 PSYCHIATRISTS IN THE FOR ALL OF THEM, THERE ARE JUST 5,000 PSYCHIATRISTS IN THE COUNTRY.

5,000 PSYCHIATRISTS IN THE COUNTRY.

SO FAITH HEALERS FROM ACROSS COUNTRY.

SO FAITH HEALERS FROM ACROSS INDIA'S DIVERSE RELIGIOUS MOSAIC SO FAITH HEALERS FROM ACROSS INDIA'S DIVERSE RELIGIOUS MOSAIC HAVE LONG FILLED THE GAP, SAYS INDIA'S DIVERSE RELIGIOUS MOSAIC HAVE LONG FILLED THE GAP, SAYS MILESH HAMLAI, A WELL-KNOWN HAVE LONG FILLED THE GAP, SAYS MILESH HAMLAI, A WELL-KNOWN MENTAL HEALTH ADVOCATE.

MILESH HAMLAI, A WELL-KNOWN MENTAL HEALTH ADVOCATE.

>> ACCESS TO CARE IS NOT THERE, MENTAL HEALTH ADVOCATE.

>> ACCESS TO CARE IS NOT THERE, LACK OF PROFESSIONALS, LACK OF >> ACCESS TO CARE IS NOT THERE, LACK OF PROFESSIONALS, LACK OF MEDICATION, LACK OF AWARENESS, LACK OF PROFESSIONALS, LACK OF MEDICATION, LACK OF AWARENESS, LACK OF KNOWLEDGE SO ALL THIS MEDICATION, LACK OF AWARENESS, LACK OF KNOWLEDGE SO ALL THIS LEADS TO ONLY ONE THING THAT YOU LACK OF KNOWLEDGE SO ALL THIS LEADS TO ONLY ONE THING THAT YOU GO TO THE EASIEST AND THE MOST LEADS TO ONLY ONE THING THAT YOU GO TO THE EASIEST AND THE MOST AVAILABLE SOURCE OF HELP.

GO TO THE EASIEST AND THE MOST AVAILABLE SOURCE OF HELP.

I COME FROM AN URBAN INDIA SO IN AVAILABLE SOURCE OF HELP.

I COME FROM AN URBAN INDIA SO IN SPITE OF THAT MY FAMILY TOOK MY I COME FROM AN URBAN INDIA SO IN SPITE OF THAT MY FAMILY TOOK MY BROTHER FIRST TO SUCH KIND OF SPITE OF THAT MY FAMILY TOOK MY BROTHER FIRST TO SUCH KIND OF PLACES.

BROTHER FIRST TO SUCH KIND OF PLACES.

>> Reporter: HAMLAI, WHO COMES PLACES.

>> Reporter: HAMLAI, WHO COMES FROM AN EDUCATED MIDDLE CLASS >> Reporter: HAMLAI, WHO COMES FROM AN EDUCATED MIDDLE CLASS BACKGROUND, BECAME AN ADVOCATE FROM AN EDUCATED MIDDLE CLASS BACKGROUND, BECAME AN ADVOCATE AFTER HIS BROTHER CAME DOWN WITH BACKGROUND, BECAME AN ADVOCATE AFTER HIS BROTHER CAME DOWN WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

AFTER HIS BROTHER CAME DOWN WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

HE DISCOVERED THERE ARE SOME SCHIZOPHRENIA SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

HE DISCOVERED THERE ARE SOME RESOURCES, PROVIDED BY REGIONAL HE DISCOVERED THERE ARE SOME RESOURCES, PROVIDED BY REGIONAL GOVERNMENT HOSPITALS.

RESOURCES, PROVIDED BY REGIONAL GOVERNMENT HOSPITALS.

BUT THEY AREN'T WELL KNOWN OR GOVERNMENT HOSPITALS.

BUT THEY AREN'T WELL KNOWN OR UTILIZED IN A HISTORICALLY BUT THEY AREN'T WELL KNOWN OR UTILIZED IN A HISTORICALLY INEFFICIENT SYSTEM.

UTILIZED IN A HISTORICALLY INEFFICIENT SYSTEM.

SO HAMLAI BROUGHT STATE MENTAL INEFFICIENT SYSTEM.

SO HAMLAI BROUGHT STATE MENTAL HEALTH OFFICIALS LED BY DOCTOR SO HAMLAI BROUGHT STATE MENTAL HEALTH OFFICIALS LED BY DOCTOR AJAY CHAUHAN TO THIS SHRINE.

HEALTH OFFICIALS LED BY DOCTOR AJAY CHAUHAN TO THIS SHRINE.

>> WHEN WE CAME HERE THERE WERE AJAY CHAUHAN TO THIS SHRINE.

>> WHEN WE CAME HERE THERE WERE 40 TO 50 FAITH HEALERS STANDING >> WHEN WE CAME HERE THERE WERE 40 TO 50 FAITH HEALERS STANDING IN THE DOOR TO KEEP US FROM 40 TO 50 FAITH HEALERS STANDING IN THE DOOR TO KEEP US FROM ENTERING.

IN THE DOOR TO KEEP US FROM ENTERING.

THEY THOUGHT DOCTORS WERE COMING ENTERING.

THEY THOUGHT DOCTORS WERE COMING TO PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS.

IT WAS A VERY SENSITIVE TIME, TO PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS.

IT WAS A VERY SENSITIVE TIME, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS A IT WAS A VERY SENSITIVE TIME, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS A MUSLIM HOLY PLACE AND THERE ARE ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS IS A MUSLIM HOLY PLACE AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THOUSAND JOBS AT STAKE.

MUSLIM HOLY PLACE AND THERE ARE SEVERAL THOUSAND JOBS AT STAKE.

>> Reporter: EVENTUALLY, PERHAPS SEVERAL THOUSAND JOBS AT STAKE.

>> Reporter: EVENTUALLY, PERHAPS WITH THE IMPLIED THREAT OF LEGAL >> Reporter: EVENTUALLY, PERHAPS WITH THE IMPLIED THREAT OF LEGAL ACTION, THEY WERE ABLE TO ENTER, WITH THE IMPLIED THREAT OF LEGAL ACTION, THEY WERE ABLE TO ENTER, BUT DOCTOR CHAUHAN SAYS THEY ACTION, THEY WERE ABLE TO ENTER, BUT DOCTOR CHAUHAN SAYS THEY REASSURED THE SHRINE'S LEADERS BUT DOCTOR CHAUHAN SAYS THEY REASSURED THE SHRINE'S LEADERS THEY HAD NO INTENTION OF REASSURED THE SHRINE'S LEADERS THEY HAD NO INTENTION OF SHUTTING IT DOWN.

THEY HAD NO INTENTION OF SHUTTING IT DOWN.

HE SAYS CONDITIONS THEY SAW, SHUTTING IT DOWN.

HE SAYS CONDITIONS THEY SAW, THOUGH WERE APPALLING.

>> THERE WERE 40, 50 PEOPLE THOUGH WERE APPALLING.

>> THERE WERE 40, 50 PEOPLE CHAINED UP TO A POST, OFTEN >> THERE WERE 40, 50 PEOPLE CHAINED UP TO A POST, OFTEN BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD VIOLENT CHAINED UP TO A POST, OFTEN BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD VIOLENT EPISODES, SOME ABANDONED BY BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD VIOLENT EPISODES, SOME ABANDONED BY THEIR FAMILIES.

EPISODES, SOME ABANDONED BY THEIR FAMILIES.

CONDITIONS WERE ALSO VERY THEIR FAMILIES.

CONDITIONS WERE ALSO VERY UNHYGIENIC AND COMPLETELY CONDITIONS WERE ALSO VERY UNHYGIENIC AND COMPLETELY INHUMANE.

UNHYGIENIC AND COMPLETELY INHUMANE.

>> Reporter: THINGS HAVE INHUMANE.

>> Reporter: THINGS HAVE IMPROVED MARKEDLY.

INDIA'S SUPREME COURT OUTLAWED IMPROVED MARKEDLY.

INDIA'S SUPREME COURT OUTLAWED MECHANICAL RESTRAINTS.

CHAINS ARE USED NOW BUT ONLY MECHANICAL RESTRAINTS.

CHAINS ARE USED NOW BUT ONLY SYMBOLICALLY AND NOT AS CHAINS ARE USED NOW BUT ONLY SYMBOLICALLY AND NOT AS RESTRAINTS.

SYMBOLICALLY AND NOT AS RESTRAINTS.

AND UNDER A PARTNERSHIP BROKERED RESTRAINTS.

AND UNDER A PARTNERSHIP BROKERED BY HAMLAI, THE SHRINE ALLOWED AND UNDER A PARTNERSHIP BROKERED BY HAMLAI, THE SHRINE ALLOWED PSYCHIATRISTS TO SET UP CLINICS BY HAMLAI, THE SHRINE ALLOWED PSYCHIATRISTS TO SET UP CLINICS INSIDE AND JUST OUTSIDE THE PSYCHIATRISTS TO SET UP CLINICS INSIDE AND JUST OUTSIDE THE PREMISES.

INSIDE AND JUST OUTSIDE THE PREMISES.

THEY ALSO BEGAN TO TRAIN FAITH PREMISES.

THEY ALSO BEGAN TO TRAIN FAITH HEALERS TO LOOK FOR TELLTALE THEY ALSO BEGAN TO TRAIN FAITH HEALERS TO LOOK FOR TELLTALE SIGNS OF COMMON MENTAL ILLNESS.

HEALERS TO LOOK FOR TELLTALE SIGNS OF COMMON MENTAL ILLNESS.

KADIMS LIKE SYEDUMIA MEHMOOD ALI SIGNS OF COMMON MENTAL ILLNESS.

KADIMS LIKE SYEDUMIA MEHMOOD ALI SEE SUCH SYMTOMS—LIKE THOSE OF KADIMS LIKE SYEDUMIA MEHMOOD ALI SEE SUCH SYMTOMS—LIKE THOSE OF 23-YEAR-OLD JAVED THROUGH A VERY SEE SUCH SYMTOMS—LIKE THOSE OF 23-YEAR-OLD JAVED THROUGH A VERY DIFFERENT THERAPEUTIC LENS.

23-YEAR-OLD JAVED THROUGH A VERY DIFFERENT THERAPEUTIC LENS.

>> SOMEBODY HAS PERFORMED BLACK DIFFERENT THERAPEUTIC LENS.

>> SOMEBODY HAS PERFORMED BLACK MAGIC ON HIM.

I CAN TELL FROM THE WAY HE IS, MAGIC ON HIM.

I CAN TELL FROM THE WAY HE IS, SULKING AND DOWN.

>> Reporter: BUT AFTER A SESSION SULKING AND DOWN.

>> Reporter: BUT AFTER A SESSION OF RITUAL AND PRAYER, ALI >> Reporter: BUT AFTER A SESSION OF RITUAL AND PRAYER, ALI BROUGHT HIS PATIENT TO SEE HIS OF RITUAL AND PRAYER, ALI BROUGHT HIS PATIENT TO SEE HIS PSYCHIATRIST TAG TEAM PARTNER BROUGHT HIS PATIENT TO SEE HIS PSYCHIATRIST TAG TEAM PARTNER DR. YATHIN BHUSHAN.

PSYCHIATRIST TAG TEAM PARTNER DR. YATHIN BHUSHAN.

JAVED COMPLAINED OF LEG PAIN, DR. YATHIN BHUSHAN.

JAVED COMPLAINED OF LEG PAIN, BUT AS THE CONVERSATION WENT ON, JAVED COMPLAINED OF LEG PAIN, BUT AS THE CONVERSATION WENT ON, THERE WAS A LONGER LITANY.

BUT AS THE CONVERSATION WENT ON, THERE WAS A LONGER LITANY.

>> I DON'T SLEEP AT NIGHT THERE WAS A LONGER LITANY.

>> I DON'T SLEEP AT NIGHT BECAUSE VIKAS COMES.

>> WHO IS VIKAS?

BECAUSE VIKAS COMES.

>> WHO IS VIKAS?

>> A MAN.

>> WHO IS VIKAS?

>> A MAN.

HE SAYS COME WITH ME EVERY DAY.

>> A MAN.

HE SAYS COME WITH ME EVERY DAY.

>> Reporter: AFTER CLARIFYING HE SAYS COME WITH ME EVERY DAY.

>> Reporter: AFTER CLARIFYING WITH HIS PARENTS THAT THERE WAS >> Reporter: AFTER CLARIFYING WITH HIS PARENTS THAT THERE WAS NO REAL THREAT TO JAVED, WITH HIS PARENTS THAT THERE WAS NO REAL THREAT TO JAVED, DR. BHUSHAN RENEWED A NO REAL THREAT TO JAVED, DR. BHUSHAN RENEWED A PRESCRIPTION FOR THE ANTI DR. BHUSHAN RENEWED A PRESCRIPTION FOR THE ANTI SCHIZOPHRENIA DRUGS.

PRESCRIPTION FOR THE ANTI SCHIZOPHRENIA DRUGS.

JAVED'S MOTHER, SAIRA BANU, SAID SCHIZOPHRENIA DRUGS.

JAVED'S MOTHER, SAIRA BANU, SAID HIS CONDITION HAD IMPROVED AFTER JAVED'S MOTHER, SAIRA BANU, SAID HIS CONDITION HAD IMPROVED AFTER HE BEGAN TAKING THEM.

HIS CONDITION HAD IMPROVED AFTER HE BEGAN TAKING THEM.

>> HE SLEEPS NOW.

HE BEGAN TAKING THEM.

>> HE SLEEPS NOW.

HE NEVER USED TO SLEEP THROUGH >> HE SLEEPS NOW.

HE NEVER USED TO SLEEP THROUGH THE NIGHT.

BEFORE HE USED TO HIT US, BUT THE NIGHT.

BEFORE HE USED TO HIT US, BUT NOW HE'S STOPPED DOING THAT.

>> I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU NOW HE'S STOPPED DOING THAT.

>> I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU 15 DAYS' MEDICINE SEE ME AGAIN >> I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU 15 DAYS' MEDICINE SEE ME AGAIN AFTER 15 DAYS OR IF YOU HAVE ANY 15 DAYS' MEDICINE SEE ME AGAIN AFTER 15 DAYS OR IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS.

AFTER 15 DAYS OR IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS.

AND ALSO DO WHAT THE KADIM SAYS.

PROBLEMS.

AND ALSO DO WHAT THE KADIM SAYS.

>> Reporter: PSYCHIATRIST AND ALSO DO WHAT THE KADIM SAYS.

>> Reporter: PSYCHIATRIST BHUSHAN IS CAREFUL TO >> Reporter: PSYCHIATRIST BHUSHAN IS CAREFUL TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS FAITH-BASED BHUSHAN IS CAREFUL TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS FAITH-BASED PARTNER -- PILLS, FOR EXAMPLE, ACKNOWLEDGE HIS FAITH-BASED PARTNER -- PILLS, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE ROUTINELY BLESSED OVER THE PARTNER -- PILLS, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE ROUTINELY BLESSED OVER THE SHRINE'S IINNER SANCTUM.

ARE ROUTINELY BLESSED OVER THE SHRINE'S IINNER SANCTUM.

DR. BHUSHAN SAYS THIS REACHING SHRINE'S IINNER SANCTUM.

DR. BHUSHAN SAYS THIS REACHING OUT IS IT'S MOSTLY BUT NOT DR. BHUSHAN SAYS THIS REACHING OUT IS IT'S MOSTLY BUT NOT ALWAYS RECIPROCATED.

OUT IS IT'S MOSTLY BUT NOT ALWAYS RECIPROCATED.

>> SOME KADIMS TELL PATIENTS ALWAYS RECIPROCATED.

>> SOME KADIMS TELL PATIENTS THAT THE MEDICINES ARE NOT >> SOME KADIMS TELL PATIENTS THAT THE MEDICINES ARE NOT NEEDED, OR THAT THEY CAN STOP THAT THE MEDICINES ARE NOT NEEDED, OR THAT THEY CAN STOP TAKING THEM.

NEEDED, OR THAT THEY CAN STOP TAKING THEM.

>> WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY, TAKING THEM.

>> WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY, AND TO NO BENEFIT.

>> Reporter: JAVED'S PARENTS, AND TO NO BENEFIT.

>> Reporter: JAVED'S PARENTS, LABORERS FROM A CITY ABOUT TWO >> Reporter: JAVED'S PARENTS, LABORERS FROM A CITY ABOUT TWO HOURS AWAY, STRUGGLED FOR FIVE LABORERS FROM A CITY ABOUT TWO HOURS AWAY, STRUGGLED FOR FIVE YEARS WITH THEIR SON'S ILLNESS HOURS AWAY, STRUGGLED FOR FIVE YEARS WITH THEIR SON'S ILLNESS FOR BEFORE FINALLY GETTING YEARS WITH THEIR SON'S ILLNESS FOR BEFORE FINALLY GETTING RESULTS.

FOR BEFORE FINALLY GETTING RESULTS.

>> SO EVERYONE WAS TELLING US TO RESULTS.

>> SO EVERYONE WAS TELLING US TO GO TO THE MIRA DATAR DARGAH >> SO EVERYONE WAS TELLING US TO GO TO THE MIRA DATAR DARGAH WHERE THEY COULD TREAT THIS GO TO THE MIRA DATAR DARGAH WHERE THEY COULD TREAT THIS PROBLEM OF BLACK MAGIC, SO WE WHERE THEY COULD TREAT THIS PROBLEM OF BLACK MAGIC, SO WE CAME HERE.

PROBLEM OF BLACK MAGIC, SO WE CAME HERE.

THEN THEY TOLD US THAT THEY HAVE CAME HERE.

THEN THEY TOLD US THAT THEY HAVE THIS MEDICINE PROGRAM AS WELL.

>> Reporter: IS IT THE MEDICINE THIS MEDICINE PROGRAM AS WELL.

>> Reporter: IS IT THE MEDICINE OR THE PRAYER THAT'S WORKING?

>> BOTH ARE WORKING.

OR THE PRAYER THAT'S WORKING?

>> BOTH ARE WORKING.

>> Reporter: MILESH HAMLAI IS >> BOTH ARE WORKING.

>> Reporter: MILESH HAMLAI IS NOT SURPRISED BY THAT KIND OF >> Reporter: MILESH HAMLAI IS NOT SURPRISED BY THAT KIND OF RESPONSE.

NOT SURPRISED BY THAT KIND OF RESPONSE.

HE SAYS THERE CAN BE THERAPEUTIC RESPONSE.

HE SAYS THERE CAN BE THERAPEUTIC VALUE IN PILGRIMAGES TO THIS HE SAYS THERE CAN BE THERAPEUTIC VALUE IN PILGRIMAGES TO THIS SHRINE.

VALUE IN PILGRIMAGES TO THIS SHRINE.

>> IT'S A PLACE TO PRAY, IT'S A SHRINE.

>> IT'S A PLACE TO PRAY, IT'S A HOLY PLACE.

THEY ARE FINDING SOME KIND OF HOLY PLACE.

THEY ARE FINDING SOME KIND OF SOLACE.

AT LEAST THAT IS TRYING TO BRING SOLACE.

AT LEAST THAT IS TRYING TO BRING THEM BACK TO NORMALCY AND IN AT LEAST THAT IS TRYING TO BRING THEM BACK TO NORMALCY AND IN THAT IF WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM BACK TO NORMALCY AND IN THAT IF WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM WITH MEDICAL INTERVENTIONS THAT IF WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM WITH MEDICAL INTERVENTIONS AND PROPER CARE, COUNSELING, THEM WITH MEDICAL INTERVENTIONS AND PROPER CARE, COUNSELING, LISTENING, I'M SURE THEY REALLY AND PROPER CARE, COUNSELING, LISTENING, I'M SURE THEY REALLY FEEL VERY GOOD THAT THERE IS LISTENING, I'M SURE THEY REALLY FEEL VERY GOOD THAT THERE IS SOME PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GO FEEL VERY GOOD THAT THERE IS SOME PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GO OFFLOAD THEMSELVES.

SOME PLACE WHERE THEY CAN GO OFFLOAD THEMSELVES.

>> Reporter: SO FAR HAMLAI'S OFFLOAD THEMSELVES.

>> Reporter: SO FAR HAMLAI'S GROUP, CALLED THE ALTRUIST, HAS >> Reporter: SO FAR HAMLAI'S GROUP, CALLED THE ALTRUIST, HAS MANAGED TO BRING SOME GROUP, CALLED THE ALTRUIST, HAS MANAGED TO BRING SOME 16,000 PATIENTS TO THE PROGRAM MANAGED TO BRING SOME 16,000 PATIENTS TO THE PROGRAM CALLED DAVA DUA MEDICINE AND 16,000 PATIENTS TO THE PROGRAM CALLED DAVA DUA MEDICINE AND PRAYER.

CALLED DAVA DUA MEDICINE AND PRAYER.

IT'S A TINY NUMBER AMID VAST PRAYER.

IT'S A TINY NUMBER AMID VAST NEED BUT SOME EXPERTS SAY A IT'S A TINY NUMBER AMID VAST NEED BUT SOME EXPERTS SAY A PROMISING PROTOTYPE TO EXPAND NEED BUT SOME EXPERTS SAY A PROMISING PROTOTYPE TO EXPAND PSYCHIATRIC SERVICES WITHOUT PROMISING PROTOTYPE TO EXPAND PSYCHIATRIC SERVICES WITHOUT DISRUPTING OR ANTAGONIZING AGE PSYCHIATRIC SERVICES WITHOUT DISRUPTING OR ANTAGONIZING AGE OLD BELIEF SYSTEMS.

DISRUPTING OR ANTAGONIZING AGE OLD BELIEF SYSTEMS.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS OLD BELIEF SYSTEMS.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS FRED DE SAM FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS FRED DE SAM LAZARO IN GUJARAT, INDIA.

NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS FRED DE SAM LAZARO IN GUJARAT, INDIA.

>>> ON OUR CALENDAR THIS WEEK LAZARO IN GUJARAT, INDIA.

>>> ON OUR CALENDAR THIS WEEK MUSLIMS CELEBRATE LAYLAT AL >>> ON OUR CALENDAR THIS WEEK MUSLIMS CELEBRATE LAYLAT AL QADR, OR THE NIGHT OF POWER, MUSLIMS CELEBRATE LAYLAT AL QADR, OR THE NIGHT OF POWER, WHEN THEY BELIEVE THE QURAN WAS QADR, OR THE NIGHT OF POWER, WHEN THEY BELIEVE THE QURAN WAS FIRST REVEALED TO THE PROPHET WHEN THEY BELIEVE THE QURAN WAS FIRST REVEALED TO THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD.

FIRST REVEALED TO THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD.

MUSLIMS BELIEVE PRAYERS OFFERED MUHAMMAD.

MUSLIMS BELIEVE PRAYERS OFFERED ON LAYLAT AL-QADR HOLD MORE MUSLIMS BELIEVE PRAYERS OFFERED ON LAYLAT AL-QADR HOLD MORE POWER THAN THE PRAYERS OF A ON LAYLAT AL-QADR HOLD MORE POWER THAN THE PRAYERS OF A THOUSAND MONTHS.

POWER THAN THE PRAYERS OF A THOUSAND MONTHS.

ALSO, MORMONS OBSERVE PIONEER THOUSAND MONTHS.

ALSO, MORMONS OBSERVE PIONEER DAY, WHICH COMMEMORATES THE ALSO, MORMONS OBSERVE PIONEER DAY, WHICH COMMEMORATES THE ARRIVAL OF BRIGHAM YOUNG AND THE DAY, WHICH COMMEMORATES THE ARRIVAL OF BRIGHAM YOUNG AND THE FIRST MORMON PIONEERS IN THE ARRIVAL OF BRIGHAM YOUNG AND THE FIRST MORMON PIONEERS IN THE SALT LAKE VALLEY IN 1847.

FIRST MORMON PIONEERS IN THE SALT LAKE VALLEY IN 1847.

MORMONS SAY BRIGHAM YOUNG SALT LAKE VALLEY IN 1847.

MORMONS SAY BRIGHAM YOUNG DECLARED UPON SEEING THE VALLEY MORMONS SAY BRIGHAM YOUNG DECLARED UPON SEEING THE VALLEY FOR THE FIRST TIME "THIS IS THE DECLARED UPON SEEING THE VALLEY FOR THE FIRST TIME "THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE."

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