Contraception Mandate Case; Behavioral Ethics; Wild Goose

Name: Contraception Mandate Case; Behavioral Ethics; Wild Goose
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>>> COMING UP, WITH A DECISION >>> COMING UP, WITH A DECISION FROM THE SUPREME COURT IN THE >>> COMING UP, WITH A DECISION FROM THE SUPREME COURT IN THE FROM THE SUPREME COURT IN THE HOBBY LOBBY CASE EXPECTED ON HOBBY LOBBY CASE EXPECTED ON MONDAY.

HOBBY LOBBY CASE EXPECTED ON MONDAY.

AND HOW SOME EMPLOYEES IN BIG MONDAY.

AND HOW SOME EMPLOYEES IN BIG COMPANIES JUSTIFY UNETHICAL AND HOW SOME EMPLOYEES IN BIG COMPANIES JUSTIFY UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR.

COMPANIES JUSTIFY UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR.

AND WHAT FUNDERS.

BEHAVIOR.

AND WHAT FUNDERS.

>>> WELCOME, I AM BOB ABERNATHY, AND WHAT FUNDERS.

>>> WELCOME, I AM BOB ABERNATHY, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

THIS WEEK THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

THIS WEEK THE U.S. SUPREME COURT UNANIMOUSLY STRUCK DOWN A LAW THIS WEEK THE U.S. SUPREME COURT UNANIMOUSLY STRUCK DOWN A LAW BANNING PROTESTS NEAR CLINICS UNANIMOUSLY STRUCK DOWN A LAW BANNING PROTESTS NEAR CLINICS THAT PERFORM ABORTIONS.

BANNING PROTESTS NEAR CLINICS THAT PERFORM ABORTIONS.

THE BUFFER ZONE LAW REQUIRED THAT PERFORM ABORTIONS.

THE BUFFER ZONE LAW REQUIRED THAT THE DEMONSTRATIONS TAKE THE BUFFER ZONE LAW REQUIRED THAT THE DEMONSTRATIONS TAKE PLACE AT LEAST 35 FEET FROM THE THAT THE DEMONSTRATIONS TAKE PLACE AT LEAST 35 FEET FROM THE ENTRY OF THE BIDDING BUILDING.

PLACE AT LEAST 35 FEET FROM THE ENTRY OF THE BIDDING BUILDING.

THE RULING WOULD PUT WOMEN AT ENTRY OF THE BIDDING BUILDING.

THE RULING WOULD PUT WOMEN AT RISK OF BEING HARASSED.

MEANWHILE THE COURT'S MUCH RISK OF BEING HARASSED.

MEANWHILE THE COURT'S MUCH AWAITED DECISION IN THE HOBBY MEANWHILE THE COURT'S MUCH AWAITED DECISION IN THE HOBBY LOBBY CASE IS EXPECTED ON AWAITED DECISION IN THE HOBBY LOBBY CASE IS EXPECTED ON MONDAY.

LOBBY CASE IS EXPECTED ON MONDAY.

AT ISSUE IS WHETHER UNDER THE MONDAY.

AT ISSUE IS WHETHER UNDER THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT FOR PROFIT AT ISSUE IS WHETHER UNDER THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT FOR PROFIT COMPANIES CAN BE REQUIRED TO DO AFFORDABLE CARE ACT FOR PROFIT COMPANIES CAN BE REQUIRED TO DO SOMETHING THEIR OWNERS SAY COMPANIES CAN BE REQUIRED TO DO SOMETHING THEIR OWNERS SAY THEY'RE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS SOMETHING THEIR OWNERS SAY THEY'RE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS FORBID.

THEY'RE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS FORBID.

TIM O'BRIAN REPORTS.

FORBID.

TIM O'BRIAN REPORTS.

>> THE CHAIN IS OWNED BY A TIM O'BRIAN REPORTS.

>> THE CHAIN IS OWNED BY A DEVOUTLY CHRISTIAN FAMILY.

THEY REFUSE TO PROVIDE DEVOUTLY CHRISTIAN FAMILY.

THEY REFUSE TO PROVIDE CONTRACEPTION AND THINGS LIKE THEY REFUSE TO PROVIDE CONTRACEPTION AND THINGS LIKE THE MORNING AFTER PILL.

CONTRACEPTION AND THINGS LIKE THE MORNING AFTER PILL.

>> THIS IS AN ISSUE OF LIKE THAT THE MORNING AFTER PILL.

>> THIS IS AN ISSUE OF LIKE THAT WE CANNOT BE A PART OF TAKING >> THIS IS AN ISSUE OF LIKE THAT WE CANNOT BE A PART OF TAKING LIFE.

WE CANNOT BE A PART OF TAKING LIFE.

SO TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE LIFE.

SO TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THE GOVERNMENT TELLS US WE HAVE SO TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THE GOVERNMENT TELLS US WE HAVE TO BE, IS INCREDIBLE.

THE GOVERNMENT TELLS US WE HAVE TO BE, IS INCREDIBLE.

>> THEY RELY ON THE RELIGIOUS TO BE, IS INCREDIBLE.

>> THEY RELY ON THE RELIGIOUS PREDOM RESTORATION AGENT.

IT IS LEGISLATION THAT SAYS THAT PREDOM RESTORATION AGENT.

IT IS LEGISLATION THAT SAYS THAT SHALL NOT EXERCISE A RELIGION.

THE COURT IS EXPECTED TO USE THE SHALL NOT EXERCISE A RELIGION.

THE COURT IS EXPECTED TO USE THE HOBBY LOBBY CASE TO DETERMINE THE COURT IS EXPECTED TO USE THE HOBBY LOBBY CASE TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH RELIGIOUS FREEDOM THE HOBBY LOBBY CASE TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH RELIGIOUS FREEDOM THE LAW RESTORES AND FOR WHOM.

HOW MUCH RELIGIOUS FREEDOM THE LAW RESTORES AND FOR WHOM.

WHEN IT WAS ARGUED LAST MARCH, LAW RESTORES AND FOR WHOM.

WHEN IT WAS ARGUED LAST MARCH, THE MORE CONSERVATIVE JUSTICES WHEN IT WAS ARGUED LAST MARCH, THE MORE CONSERVATIVE JUSTICES APPEARED SUPPORTIVE OF HOBBY THE MORE CONSERVATIVE JUSTICES APPEARED SUPPORTIVE OF HOBBY LOBBY.

APPEARED SUPPORTIVE OF HOBBY LOBBY.

BUT OTHERS QUESTIONED IF THEY LOBBY.

BUT OTHERS QUESTIONED IF THEY HAVE ANY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AT BUT OTHERS QUESTIONED IF THEY HAVE ANY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AT ALL.

HAVE ANY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AT ALL.

>> HOW DOES A CORPORATION ALL.

>> HOW DOES A CORPORATION EXERCISE RELIGION?

WHY ARE THE CASES THAT SHOW A EXERCISE RELIGION?

WHY ARE THE CASES THAT SHOW A CORPORATION EXERCISES RELIGION.

>> JUSTICE KENNEDY ASKED ABOUT CORPORATION EXERCISES RELIGION.

>> JUSTICE KENNEDY ASKED ABOUT THE BELIEFS OF THE BLOWS THAT >> JUSTICE KENNEDY ASKED ABOUT THE BELIEFS OF THE BLOWS THAT MAY NOT SHARE THE BELIEFS OF THE THE BELIEFS OF THE BLOWS THAT MAY NOT SHARE THE BELIEFS OF THE EMPLOYERS.

MAY NOT SHARE THE BELIEFS OF THE EMPLOYERS.

>> THE EMPLOYEE MAY NOT AGREE EMPLOYERS.

>> THE EMPLOYEE MAY NOT AGREE WITH THE RELIGIOUS BELIEF OF THE >> THE EMPLOYEE MAY NOT AGREE WITH THE RELIGIOUS BELIEF OF THE EMPLOYER.

WITH THE RELIGIOUS BELIEF OF THE EMPLOYER.

>> THE COURT'S ONLY FAMILY EMPLOYER.

>> THE COURT'S ONLY FAMILY JUSTICES SEEMED MOST CONCEPT >> THE COURT'S ONLY FAMILY JUSTICES SEEMED MOST CONCEPT CALL OF HOBBY LOBBY'S RELIGIOUS JUSTICES SEEMED MOST CONCEPT CALL OF HOBBY LOBBY'S RELIGIOUS ARGUMENT.

CALL OF HOBBY LOBBY'S RELIGIOUS ARGUMENT.

>> CONGRESS MADE A JUDGMENT AND ARGUMENT.

>> CONGRESS MADE A JUDGMENT AND HAS GIVEN A STATUTORY >> CONGRESS MADE A JUDGMENT AND HAS GIVEN A STATUTORY ENTITLEMENT.

HAS GIVEN A STATUTORY ENTITLEMENT.

WHEN THE EMPLOYER SAYS I DON'T ENTITLEMENT.

WHEN THE EMPLOYER SAYS I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT, THAT WOMAN IS WHEN THE EMPLOYER SAYS I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT, THAT WOMAN IS QUITE DIRECTLY HARMED.

WANT TO GIVE THAT, THAT WOMAN IS QUITE DIRECTLY HARMED.

>> AT THE HEART OF THE CASE, QUITE DIRECTLY HARMED.

>> AT THE HEART OF THE CASE, JUST HOW FAR DOES THE RELIGIOUS >> AT THE HEART OF THE CASE, JUST HOW FAR DOES THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT REACH?

JUST HOW FAR DOES THE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT REACH?

>> YOU'RE SAYING SENSITIVE FREEDOM RESTORATION ACT REACH?

>> YOU'RE SAYING SENSITIVE THINGS LIKE CONTRACEPTION, OR >> YOU'RE SAYING SENSITIVE THINGS LIKE CONTRACEPTION, OR DOES IT INCLUDE BLOOD THINGS LIKE CONTRACEPTION, OR DOES IT INCLUDE BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS AND VACCINES.

DOES IT INCLUDE BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS AND VACCINES.

>> WHAT HAPPENS WHEN OTHER TRANSFUSIONS AND VACCINES.

>> WHAT HAPPENS WHEN OTHER PEOPLE HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THAT.

WHAT IF ANOTHER SAYS I HAVE PEOPLE HAVE OBJECTIONS TO THAT.

WHAT IF ANOTHER SAYS I HAVE DISCRIMINATION TO SEX WHAT IF ANOTHER SAYS I HAVE DISCRIMINATION TO SEX DISCRIMINATION LAWS, OR MINIMUM DISCRIMINATION TO SEX DISCRIMINATION LAWS, OR MINIMUM WAGE LAWS, FAMILY LEAVE, CHILD DISCRIMINATION LAWS, OR MINIMUM WAGE LAWS, FAMILY LEAVE, CHILD LABOR LAWS -- WAGE LAWS, FAMILY LEAVE, CHILD LABOR LAWS -- >> NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED, LABOR LAWS -- >> NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED, BUT ON THE LINE, GA RIGHTS.

>> NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED, BUT ON THE LINE, GA RIGHTS.

ACCOMMODATING GAS AND LESBIANS BUT ON THE LINE, GA RIGHTS.

ACCOMMODATING GAS AND LESBIANS MAY VIOLATE THE CONVICTIONS OF ACCOMMODATING GAS AND LESBIANS MAY VIOLATE THE CONVICTIONS OF SOME LANDLORDS.

MAY VIOLATE THE CONVICTIONS OF SOME LANDLORDS.

>> WHEN THEY PASSED THE SOME LANDLORDS.

>> WHEN THEY PASSED THE RESTORATION ACT.

THEY SAID THEY SHOULD STRIKE A RESTORATION ACT.

THEY SAID THEY SHOULD STRIKE A SENSIBLE BALANCE, EASIER SAID THEY SAID THEY SHOULD STRIKE A SENSIBLE BALANCE, EASIER SAID THAN DONE.

SENSIBLE BALANCE, EASIER SAID THAN DONE.

MONDAY'S CASE IS ALL BUT CERTAIN THAN DONE.

MONDAY'S CASE IS ALL BUT CERTAIN TO DEMONSTRATE.

I'M TIM O'BRIAN AT THE SUPREME TO DEMONSTRATE.

I'M TIM O'BRIAN AT THE SUPREME COURT.

>> A PASTOR WHO WAS DEFROCKED COURT.

>> A PASTOR WHO WAS DEFROCKED FOR PREACHING AT THE SAME SEX >> A PASTOR WHO WAS DEFROCKED FOR PREACHING AT THE SAME SEX MARRIAGE OF HIS SON.

FOR PREACHING AT THE SAME SEX MARRIAGE OF HIS SON.

HE WAS STRIPPED OF HIS KRE DEN MARRIAGE OF HIS SON.

HE WAS STRIPPED OF HIS KRE DEN ISSUES LAST YEAR WHEN HE WAS HE WAS STRIPPED OF HIS KRE DEN ISSUES LAST YEAR WHEN HE WAS FOUND GUILT BY A CHURCH COURT OF ISSUES LAST YEAR WHEN HE WAS FOUND GUILT BY A CHURCH COURT OF THE BAN ON SAME SEX WEDDINGS.

FOUND GUILT BY A CHURCH COURT OF THE BAN ON SAME SEX WEDDINGS.

THE DECISION ENFLAMED A THE BAN ON SAME SEX WEDDINGS.

THE DECISION ENFLAMED A CONTENTIOUS DEBATE WITH SOME THE DECISION ENFLAMED A CONTENTIOUS DEBATE WITH SOME SAYING THE CHURCH COULD SPLIT CONTENTIOUS DEBATE WITH SOME SAYING THE CHURCH COULD SPLIT OVER THE ISSUE.

SAYING THE CHURCH COULD SPLIT OVER THE ISSUE.

A PROMINENT MORMON ACTIVIST HAS OVER THE ISSUE.

A PROMINENT MORMON ACTIVIST HAS BEEN EXCOMMUNICATED.

THEY FOUND THE GROUP ORDAINED BEEN EXCOMMUNICATED.

THEY FOUND THE GROUP ORDAINED WOMEN.

SHE WAS INFORMED OF HER EXKMUPGS WOMEN.

SHE WAS INFORMED OF HER EXKMUPGS BY E-MAIL.

IT SAID SHE COULD BE CONSIDERED BY E-MAIL.

IT SAID SHE COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR READMISSION IF SHE CEASES IT SAID SHE COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR READMISSION IF SHE CEASES HER ACTIVISM.

FOR READMISSION IF SHE CEASES HER ACTIVISM.

SHE SAYS SHE STANDS BY HER HER ACTIVISM.

SHE SAYS SHE STANDS BY HER ACTIONS.

A CHAPLAIN BECAME THE FIRST ACTIONS.

A CHAPLAIN BECAME THE FIRST TRANSGENDER PASTOR TO PREACH A CHAPLAIN BECAME THE FIRST TRANSGENDER PASTOR TO PREACH THIS WEEKEND.

TRANSGENDER PASTOR TO PREACH THIS WEEKEND.

HE SPOKE IN HONOR OF LBGT PRIDE THIS WEEKEND.

HE SPOKE IN HONOR OF LBGT PRIDE MONTH.

PARTRIDGE BEGAN TRANSITIONING MONTH.

PARTRIDGE BEGAN TRANSITIONING OVER A DECADE AGO AND IS A PARTRIDGE BEGAN TRANSITIONING OVER A DECADE AGO AND IS A CHAPLAIN AT BOSTON UNIVERSITY.

OVER A DECADE AGO AND IS A CHAPLAIN AT BOSTON UNIVERSITY.

>>> IN SUDAN, A CHRISTIAN WOMAN CHAPLAIN AT BOSTON UNIVERSITY.

>>> IN SUDAN, A CHRISTIAN WOMAN ON DEATH ROW FOR REFUSING TO >>> IN SUDAN, A CHRISTIAN WOMAN ON DEATH ROW FOR REFUSING TO RENOUNCE HER FAITH WAS FREED ON DEATH ROW FOR REFUSING TO RENOUNCE HER FAITH WAS FREED FROM PRISON ON MONDAY AFTER AN RENOUNCE HER FAITH WAS FREED FROM PRISON ON MONDAY AFTER AN APPEALS COURT THROUGH OUT HER FROM PRISON ON MONDAY AFTER AN APPEALS COURT THROUGH OUT HER CONVICTION.

APPEALS COURT THROUGH OUT HER CONVICTION.

SHE HAD BEEN SENTENCED TO BE CONVICTION.

SHE HAD BEEN SENTENCED TO BE EXECUTED AFTER A COURT RULED SHE HAD BEEN SENTENCED TO BE EXECUTED AFTER A COURT RULED THAT HER MARRIAGE TO A U.S.

EXECUTED AFTER A COURT RULED THAT HER MARRIAGE TO A U.S. CHRISTIAN WAS INVALID.

THAT HER MARRIAGE TO A U.S. CHRISTIAN WAS INVALID.

HER FATHER WAS A MUSLIM, BUT SHE CHRISTIAN WAS INVALID.

HER FATHER WAS A MUSLIM, BUT SHE WAS RAISED IN THE CHRISTIAN FIST HER FATHER WAS A MUSLIM, BUT SHE WAS RAISED IN THE CHRISTIAN FIST OF HER MOTHER.

WAS RAISED IN THE CHRISTIAN FIST OF HER MOTHER.

IN SUDAN, CHILDREN MUST BELONG OF HER MOTHER.

IN SUDAN, CHILDREN MUST BELONG TO THE RELIGION OF THEIR FATHER.

SHE GAVE BIRTH TO A DAUGHTER IN TO THE RELIGION OF THEIR FATHER.

SHE GAVE BIRTH TO A DAUGHTER IN PRISON AND THEY HAVE A TODDLER SHE GAVE BIRTH TO A DAUGHTER IN PRISON AND THEY HAVE A TODDLER SON.

PRISON AND THEY HAVE A TODDLER SON.

THE CASE GENERATED AN SON.

THE CASE GENERATED AN INTERNATIONAL OUTCRY.

SHE WAS BRIEFLY DESTAINED AGAIN INTERNATIONAL OUTCRY.

SHE WAS BRIEFLY DESTAINED AGAIN WHEN TRYING TO LEAVE SUDAN.

THE FAMILY WAS GIVING REFUGE IN WHEN TRYING TO LEAVE SUDAN.

THE FAMILY WAS GIVING REFUGE IN THE U.S. EMBASSY.

>>> THE HUMANITARIAN EVERYONE IT THE U.S. EMBASSY.

>>> THE HUMANITARIAN EVERYONE IT IRAQ IS CONTINUING TO >>> THE HUMANITARIAN EVERYONE IT IRAQ IS CONTINUING TO DETERIORATE.

IRAQ IS CONTINUING TO DETERIORATE.

THIS WEEK MILITANTS STAGED AN DETERIORATE.

THIS WEEK MILITANTS STAGED AN OFFENSIVE AGAINST CHRISTIAN THIS WEEK MILITANTS STAGED AN OFFENSIVE AGAINST CHRISTIAN VILLAGES IN NORTHERN IRAQ.

OFFENSIVE AGAINST CHRISTIAN VILLAGES IN NORTHERN IRAQ.

AN STIMED ONE MILLION IRAQIS VILLAGES IN NORTHERN IRAQ.

AN STIMED ONE MILLION IRAQIS HAVE BEEN FORCED FROM THEIR AN STIMED ONE MILLION IRAQIS HAVE BEEN FORCED FROM THEIR HOMES IN THE PAST YEAR.

HAVE BEEN FORCED FROM THEIR HOMES IN THE PAST YEAR.

MORE THAN 1,000 HAVE BEEN KILLED HOMES IN THE PAST YEAR.

MORE THAN 1,000 HAVE BEEN KILLED THIS MONTH.

>> ACROSS ALL OF THE MAJOR THIS MONTH.

>> ACROSS ALL OF THE MAJOR RELIGIONS AND ETHICAL >> ACROSS ALL OF THE MAJOR RELIGIONS AND ETHICAL TRADITIONS, THERE IS BROAD RELIGIONS AND ETHICAL TRADITIONS, THERE IS BROAD AGREEMENT ABOUT HOW PEOPLE TRADITIONS, THERE IS BROAD AGREEMENT ABOUT HOW PEOPLE SHOULD BEHAVE.

AGREEMENT ABOUT HOW PEOPLE SHOULD BEHAVE.

NOW RESEARCHERS WITH BACKGROUNDS SHOULD BEHAVE.

NOW RESEARCHERS WITH BACKGROUNDS IN ECONOMICS AND PSYCHOLOGY TALK NOW RESEARCHERS WITH BACKGROUNDS IN ECONOMICS AND PSYCHOLOGY TALK ABOUT WHY SOME PEOPLE AT BIG IN ECONOMICS AND PSYCHOLOGY TALK ABOUT WHY SOME PEOPLE AT BIG COMPANIES HIS BEHAVE.

ABOUT WHY SOME PEOPLE AT BIG COMPANIES HIS BEHAVE.

WHY DO THEY DO THINGS THAT ARE COMPANIES HIS BEHAVE.

WHY DO THEY DO THINGS THAT ARE UNETHICAL?

>>> FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS, PAUL UNETHICAL?

>>> FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS, PAUL HAS BEEN MAKING A LIVING GETTING >>> FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS, PAUL HAS BEEN MAKING A LIVING GETTING UP LONG BEFORE THE SUNRISES.

HAS BEEN MAKING A LIVING GETTING UP LONG BEFORE THE SUNRISES.

IT'S AN UNLIKELY CAREER FOR UP LONG BEFORE THE SUNRISES.

IT'S AN UNLIKELY CAREER FOR SOMEONE WHO QUIT A PRESTIGOUS IT'S AN UNLIKELY CAREER FOR SOMEONE WHO QUIT A PRESTIGOUS POSITION TO DELIVER BAGELS.

SOMEONE WHO QUIT A PRESTIGOUS POSITION TO DELIVER BAGELS.

HE DOES IT AND RESELLS THEM TO POSITION TO DELIVER BAGELS.

HE DOES IT AND RESELLS THEM TO EMPLOYEES AT CORPORATE OFFICES HE DOES IT AND RESELLS THEM TO EMPLOYEES AT CORPORATE OFFICES AND HE DOES IT ON THE HONOR EMPLOYEES AT CORPORATE OFFICES AND HE DOES IT ON THE HONOR SYSTEM.

AND HE DOES IT ON THE HONOR SYSTEM.

YOU CHOOSE A PASTRY AND YOU PUT SYSTEM.

YOU CHOOSE A PASTRY AND YOU PUT WHAT YOU OWE IN A BOX.

HE HAS KEPT TRACK AND SAYS ON WHAT YOU OWE IN A BOX.

HE HAS KEPT TRACK AND SAYS ON AVERAGE PEOPLE ARE HONEST 92% OF HE HAS KEPT TRACK AND SAYS ON AVERAGE PEOPLE ARE HONEST 92% OF THE TEAM.

AVERAGE PEOPLE ARE HONEST 92% OF THE TEAM.

>> HONESTY, FUNDAMENTAL TO THE THE TEAM.

>> HONESTY, FUNDAMENTAL TO THE OPERATION OF A SOCIETY LIKE >> HONESTY, FUNDAMENTAL TO THE OPERATION OF A SOCIETY LIKE HOURS.

OPERATION OF A SOCIETY LIKE HOURS.

SOME PEOPLE GET BY BY BEING HOURS.

SOME PEOPLE GET BY BY BEING CROOKS AND THIEVES ALL OF THE SOME PEOPLE GET BY BY BEING CROOKS AND THIEVES ALL OF THE TIME.

CROOKS AND THIEVES ALL OF THE TIME.

MOST EVERYTHING WE DO IS A TIME.

MOST EVERYTHING WE DO IS A MATTER OF HONESTY.

>> SO ARE WE MORE OR LESS HONEST MATTER OF HONESTY.

>> SO ARE WE MORE OR LESS HONEST THAN THOSE BEFORE US.

WHY IS THERE SO MUCH SIN SIMILAR THAN THOSE BEFORE US.

WHY IS THERE SO MUCH SIN SIMILAR ABOUT CORPORATE AND AMERICA.

>> ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ALLOW ABOUT CORPORATE AND AMERICA.

>> ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO JUSTIFY ARE IN THERE, >> ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO JUSTIFY ARE IN THERE, AND IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO THINK OF PEOPLE TO JUSTIFY ARE IN THERE, AND IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO THINK OF THEMSELVES AS GOOD, HONORABLE AND IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO THINK OF THEMSELVES AS GOOD, HONORABLE PEOPLE, WHILE BEHAVING IN A THEMSELVES AS GOOD, HONORABLE PEOPLE, WHILE BEHAVING IN A DISGRACEFUL WAY.

PEOPLE, WHILE BEHAVING IN A DISGRACEFUL WAY.

>> A PROFESSOR OF PSYCHOLOGY AND DISGRACEFUL WAY.

>> A PROFESSOR OF PSYCHOLOGY AND BEHAVIOR ECONOMICS AT DUKE >> A PROFESSOR OF PSYCHOLOGY AND BEHAVIOR ECONOMICS AT DUKE UNIVERSITY WHO DID EXPERIMENTS BEHAVIOR ECONOMICS AT DUKE UNIVERSITY WHO DID EXPERIMENTS ON HONESTY AND CHEATING ALL OVER UNIVERSITY WHO DID EXPERIMENTS ON HONESTY AND CHEATING ALL OVER THE WORLD.

ON HONESTY AND CHEATING ALL OVER THE WORLD.

HE SAID CHEATING, UNCHECKED, IS THE WORLD.

HE SAID CHEATING, UNCHECKED, IS CONTAGIOUS.

>> ONCE YOU COME TO AN CONTAGIOUS.

>> ONCE YOU COME TO AN ORGANIZATION AND SOMETHING FEELS >> ONCE YOU COME TO AN ORGANIZATION AND SOMETHING FEELS WRONG WITH IT, YOUR MORAL ORGANIZATION AND SOMETHING FEELS WRONG WITH IT, YOUR MORAL SHACKLES GOES AWAY.

WRONG WITH IT, YOUR MORAL SHACKLES GOES AWAY.

PEOPLE DON'T SAY WHAT DO I STAND SHACKLES GOES AWAY.

PEOPLE DON'T SAY WHAT DO I STAND TO GAIN?

WHAT DO I STAND TO LOSE?

TO GAIN?

WHAT DO I STAND TO LOSE?

IT'S ALL ABOUT BEING ABLE, AT WHAT DO I STAND TO LOSE?

IT'S ALL ABOUT BEING ABLE, AT THE MOMENT, TO RATIONALIZE IT'S ALL ABOUT BEING ABLE, AT THE MOMENT, TO RATIONALIZE SOMETHING AND MAKE YOURSELF THE MOMENT, TO RATIONALIZE SOMETHING AND MAKE YOURSELF THINK THIS IS OKAY.

SOMETHING AND MAKE YOURSELF THINK THIS IS OKAY.

EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING THIS.

THINK THIS IS OKAY.

EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING THIS.

THIS IS ACTUALLY THE RIGHT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING THIS.

THIS IS ACTUALLY THE RIGHT THING.

AND THINGS LIKE NOBODY IS REALLY THING.

AND THINGS LIKE NOBODY IS REALLY SUMPING.

>> THERE WAS A SURVEY RECENTLY SUMPING.

>> THERE WAS A SURVEY RECENTLY WITH 250 INVESTMENT BANKERS, >> THERE WAS A SURVEY RECENTLY WITH 250 INVESTMENT BANKERS, PORTFOLIO MANAGERS AND TRAGERS.

WITH 250 INVESTMENT BANKERS, PORTFOLIO MANAGERS AND TRAGERS.

ONE OF FOUR SAID THEY WOULD PORTFOLIO MANAGERS AND TRAGERS.

ONE OF FOUR SAID THEY WOULD TRADE ON INSIDE INFORMATION IF ONE OF FOUR SAID THEY WOULD TRADE ON INSIDE INFORMATION IF THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT.

TRADE ON INSIDE INFORMATION IF THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT.

OVER HALF SAID THEIR COMPETITORS THEY COULD GET AWAY WITH IT.

OVER HALF SAID THEIR COMPETITORS ENGAGE IN ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES.

24% SAY THEY FEAR RETALIATION.

ENGAGE IN ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES.

24% SAY THEY FEAR RETALIATION.

>> BAD CORPORATE BEHAVIOR IS 24% SAY THEY FEAR RETALIATION.

>> BAD CORPORATE BEHAVIOR IS NOTHING NEW.

ONE OF THE MOST INFAMOUS WAS IN NOTHING NEW.

ONE OF THE MOST INFAMOUS WAS IN 1970 WITH THE FORD PINTO.

IT HAS A GAS TANK THAT WHEN 1970 WITH THE FORD PINTO.

IT HAS A GAS TANK THAT WHEN STRUCK WOULD KILL PEOPLE.

>> SAFETY DOESN'T SELL.

STRUCK WOULD KILL PEOPLE.

>> SAFETY DOESN'T SELL.

YOU HEAR THAT OVER AND OVER >> SAFETY DOESN'T SELL.

YOU HEAR THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

YOU'RE A 22-YEAR-OLD, AND YOU'RE AGAIN.

YOU'RE A 22-YEAR-OLD, AND YOU'RE IN AN ORGANIZATION, IT'S YOUR YOU'RE A 22-YEAR-OLD, AND YOU'RE IN AN ORGANIZATION, IT'S YOUR FIRST JOB, SAFETY JUST DOESN'T IN AN ORGANIZATION, IT'S YOUR FIRST JOB, SAFETY JUST DOESN'T COME FIRST.

FIRST JOB, SAFETY JUST DOESN'T COME FIRST.

>> THE PROFESSOR IS A DIRECTOR COME FIRST.

>> THE PROFESSOR IS A DIRECTOR OF NO TOR DAME'S INSTITUTE FOR >> THE PROFESSOR IS A DIRECTOR OF NO TOR DAME'S INSTITUTE FOR BUSINESS WORLDWIDE.

OF NO TOR DAME'S INSTITUTE FOR BUSINESS WORLDWIDE.

SHE BELIEVES THAT DESPITE BUSINESS WORLDWIDE.

SHE BELIEVES THAT DESPITE SHAREHOLDER PRESSURE, THEY NEED SHE BELIEVES THAT DESPITE SHAREHOLDER PRESSURE, THEY NEED TO MAKE ETHICS A FUNDAMENTAL SHAREHOLDER PRESSURE, THEY NEED TO MAKE ETHICS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF THE CULTURE.

TO MAKE ETHICS A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF THE CULTURE.

>> IF I WAS A CEO, I WOULD RYDER PART OF THE CULTURE.

>> IF I WAS A CEO, I WOULD RYDER CUP FOCUS GROUPS AND SAY WHAT >> IF I WAS A CEO, I WOULD RYDER CUP FOCUS GROUPS AND SAY WHAT HAPPENED?

CUP FOCUS GROUPS AND SAY WHAT HAPPENED?

WHERE DO YOU FEEL THE PRESSURE?

HAPPENED?

WHERE DO YOU FEEL THE PRESSURE?

WHAT ARE THE VALUES OF THE WHERE DO YOU FEEL THE PRESSURE?

WHAT ARE THE VALUES OF THE ORGANIZATION.

>> SHE SAID IN THE LONG RUN, ORGANIZATION.

>> SHE SAID IN THE LONG RUN, COMPANIES PAY FOR UNETHICAL.

BEHAVIOR.

COMPANIES PAY FOR UNETHICAL.

BEHAVIOR.

FORD DID, TOYOTA HAS, AND GM IS BEHAVIOR.

FORD DID, TOYOTA HAS, AND GM IS NOW.

>> YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL AMOUNT NOW.

>> YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF WHAT IT COSTS TO FIX THE >> YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF WHAT IT COSTS TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

OF WHAT IT COSTS TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

YOU FIND OUT IT CAN PAY TO BE PROBLEM.

YOU FIND OUT IT CAN PAY TO BE ETHICAL.

>> AND TO ATTRACT GOOD WORKERS.

ETHICAL.

>> AND TO ATTRACT GOOD WORKERS.

>> IF YOU CAN RISE ABOVE THE >> AND TO ATTRACT GOOD WORKERS.

>> IF YOU CAN RISE ABOVE THE ROUND FOR SOMEONE THAT WALKS >> IF YOU CAN RISE ABOVE THE ROUND FOR SOMEONE THAT WALKS WITH INTEGRITY, LIVES THEIR ROUND FOR SOMEONE THAT WALKS WITH INTEGRITY, LIVES THEIR VALUES EVERY DAY, THAT ALLOWS WITH INTEGRITY, LIVES THEIR VALUES EVERY DAY, THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DISTINGUISH YOURSELVES.

VALUES EVERY DAY, THAT ALLOWS YOU TO DISTINGUISH YOURSELVES.

>> THE 82-YEAR-OLD BAGEL MAN HAS YOU TO DISTINGUISH YOURSELVES.

>> THE 82-YEAR-OLD BAGEL MAN HAS DONE SEARCH OF HIS OWN.

HE SAYS EMPLOYERS OF CHARGE DONE SEARCH OF HIS OWN.

HE SAYS EMPLOYERS OF CHARGE COMPAIES TEND TO CHEAT MORE, HE SAYS EMPLOYERS OF CHARGE COMPAIES TEND TO CHEAT MORE, AND WHERE MORAL IS ANOTHER AT A COMPAIES TEND TO CHEAT MORE, AND WHERE MORAL IS ANOTHER AT A COMPANY, THEY'RE MORE INCLINED AND WHERE MORAL IS ANOTHER AT A COMPANY, THEY'RE MORE INCLINED TO BE MORE CRUST WORTHY.

COMPANY, THEY'RE MORE INCLINED TO BE MORE CRUST WORTHY.

>> PEOPLE WILL GREET ME, WALKING TO BE MORE CRUST WORTHY.

>> PEOPLE WILL GREET ME, WALKING UP AND DOWN THE HALLS, TALKING >> PEOPLE WILL GREET ME, WALKING UP AND DOWN THE HALLS, TALKING TO EACH OTHER, AND BY AND LARGE UP AND DOWN THE HALLS, TALKING TO EACH OTHER, AND BY AND LARGE I THINK THOSE PLACES TEND TO BE TO EACH OTHER, AND BY AND LARGE I THINK THOSE PLACES TEND TO BE MORE RESPONSIVE AND MORE HONEST.

I THINK THOSE PLACES TEND TO BE MORE RESPONSIVE AND MORE HONEST.

>> THE PROFESSOR SAYS IN HIS MORE RESPONSIVE AND MORE HONEST.

>> THE PROFESSOR SAYS IN HIS BOOK, THE HONEST TRUTH ABOUT >> THE PROFESSOR SAYS IN HIS BOOK, THE HONEST TRUTH ABOUT DISHONESTY, THAT WE ALL LIE A BOOK, THE HONEST TRUTH ABOUT DISHONESTY, THAT WE ALL LIE A LITTLE BIT, EVEN GOD.

DISHONESTY, THAT WE ALL LIE A LITTLE BIT, EVEN GOD.

>> THERE IS A STORY THAT GOD LITTLE BIT, EVEN GOD.

>> THERE IS A STORY THAT GOD COMES TO SARAH AND SARAH SAYS >> THERE IS A STORY THAT GOD COMES TO SARAH AND SARAH SAYS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SON.

COMES TO SARAH AND SARAH SAYS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SON.

AND SARAH LAUGHS.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SON.

AND SARAH LAUGHS.

AND SHE SAYS HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN AND SARAH LAUGHS.

AND SHE SAYS HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN WHEN MY HUSBAND IS SO OLD.

AND HE GOES TO ABRAHAM, YOU'RE WHEN MY HUSBAND IS SO OLD.

AND HE GOES TO ABRAHAM, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SON, AND HE SAYS AND HE GOES TO ABRAHAM, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SON, AND HE SAYS DID YOU TELL SARAH?

GOING TO HAVE A SON, AND HE SAYS DID YOU TELL SARAH?

AND HE SAYS YES.

DID YOU TELL SARAH?

AND HE SAYS YES.

THEY SAY IT'S OKAY TO LIE FOR AND HE SAYS YES.

THEY SAY IT'S OKAY TO LIE FOR PEACE AT HOME.

>> NOT A RELIGIOUS SCHOLAR, BUT PEACE AT HOME.

>> NOT A RELIGIOUS SCHOLAR, BUT SAYS THAT RELIGION HAS AN IMPACT >> NOT A RELIGIOUS SCHOLAR, BUT SAYS THAT RELIGION HAS AN IMPACT ON HOPPESTY AND BEHAVIOR.

SAYS THAT RELIGION HAS AN IMPACT ON HOPPESTY AND BEHAVIOR.

IT OFFERS SPECIFIC RULES ON HOPPESTY AND BEHAVIOR.

IT OFFERS SPECIFIC RULES CONNECTED TO A HIGHER ORDER.

>> THEY ASK PEOPLE TO TRY TO CONNECTED TO A HIGHER ORDER.

>> THEY ASK PEOPLE TO TRY TO RECALL THE TEND COMMANDMENTS.

WE DID IT IN CALIFORNIA AND NO RECALL THE TEND COMMANDMENTS.

WE DID IT IN CALIFORNIA AND NO ONE COULD RECALL THEM ALL, AND WE DID IT IN CALIFORNIA AND NO ONE COULD RECALL THEM ALL, AND SOME OF THEM COULD.

ONE COULD RECALL THEM ALL, AND SOME OF THEM COULD.

BUT AFTER THAT DOING THEY DIDN'T SOME OF THEM COULD.

BUT AFTER THAT DOING THEY DIDN'T CHEAT.

>> THE BAGEL MAN SAYS PEOPLE ARE CHEAT.

>> THE BAGEL MAN SAYS PEOPLE ARE NOT AS HONEST AT CHRISTMAS AND >> THE BAGEL MAN SAYS PEOPLE ARE NOT AS HONEST AT CHRISTMAS AND TAX TIME.

NOT AS HONEST AT CHRISTMAS AND TAX TIME.

HE SAYS, FOR SOME REASON, HE HAD TAX TIME.

HE SAYS, FOR SOME REASON, HE HAD A DIFFICULT TIME WITH TELECOM HE SAYS, FOR SOME REASON, HE HAD A DIFFICULT TIME WITH TELECOM COMPANIES.

A DIFFICULT TIME WITH TELECOM COMPANIES.

>> THE MANAGER WAS THERE AND COMPANIES.

>> THE MANAGER WAS THERE AND SAID HOW ARE YOU MAKING OUT, AND >> THE MANAGER WAS THERE AND SAID HOW ARE YOU MAKING OUT, AND I SAID PEOPLE HERE ARE NOT SAID HOW ARE YOU MAKING OUT, AND I SAID PEOPLE HERE ARE NOT PAYING VERY WELL, AND SHE SAYS I SAID PEOPLE HERE ARE NOT PAYING VERY WELL, AND SHE SAYS THEY WILL STEAL TOILET PAPER PAYING VERY WELL, AND SHE SAYS THEY WILL STEAL TOILET PAPER HERE.

THEY WILL STEAL TOILET PAPER HERE.

>> WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HERE.

>> WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEX RELATIONSHIP WITH >> WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEX RELATIONSHIP WITH HONESTY.

THE COMPLEX RELATIONSHIP WITH HONESTY.

>> HE TRAVELS WITH "THE TRUST HONESTY.

>> HE TRAVELS WITH "THE TRUST BOX" AND ASKS VOLUNTEERS TO TELL >> HE TRAVELS WITH "THE TRUST BOX" AND ASKS VOLUNTEERS TO TELL AN IMPORTANT LIE THEY TOLD IN BOX" AND ASKS VOLUNTEERS TO TELL AN IMPORTANT LIE THEY TOLD IN THEIR LIFE.

AN IMPORTANT LIE THEY TOLD IN THEIR LIFE.

IT'S LIKE A CONFESSIONAL BOX.

THEIR LIFE.

IT'S LIKE A CONFESSIONAL BOX.

>> ON JOB INTERVIEWS, WHEN THEY IT'S LIKE A CONFESSIONAL BOX.

>> ON JOB INTERVIEWS, WHEN THEY ASK ME ABOUT CERTAIN SKILLS, I >> ON JOB INTERVIEWS, WHEN THEY ASK ME ABOUT CERTAIN SKILLS, I WOULD SOMETIMES SAY I HAD A ASK ME ABOUT CERTAIN SKILLS, I WOULD SOMETIMES SAY I HAD A SKILL ALTHOUGH I DIDN'T HAVE THE WOULD SOMETIMES SAY I HAD A SKILL ALTHOUGH I DIDN'T HAVE THE SKILL AT THE MOMENT.

SKILL ALTHOUGH I DIDN'T HAVE THE SKILL AT THE MOMENT.

>> HOW OFTEN HAVE YOU TOLD THIS SKILL AT THE MOMENT.

>> HOW OFTEN HAVE YOU TOLD THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF LIE?

>> A COUPLE TIMES.

PARTICULAR TYPE OF LIE?

>> A COUPLE TIMES.

>> DID IT WORK OUT FOR YOU?

>> A COUPLE TIMES.

>> DID IT WORK OUT FOR YOU?

DID THEY HIRE YOU?

>> DID IT WORK OUT FOR YOU?

DID THEY HIRE YOU?

>> YEAH.

DID THEY HIRE YOU?

>> YEAH.

>> SO NOW YOU TOLD THIS LIE, AND >> YEAH.

>> SO NOW YOU TOLD THIS LIE, AND YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT?

>> WELL I'M NOT GOING TO USE IT YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT?

>> WELL I'M NOT GOING TO USE IT AGAIN.

>> A PRACTICING CATHOLIC THINKS AGAIN.

>> A PRACTICING CATHOLIC THINKS THAT THE IDEA OF A CONFESSIONAL >> A PRACTICING CATHOLIC THINKS THAT THE IDEA OF A CONFESSIONAL WOULD BE USEFUL TO THAT THE IDEA OF A CONFESSIONAL WOULD BE USEFUL TO ORGANIZATIONS.

WOULD BE USEFUL TO ORGANIZATIONS.

>> IF IT'S ONE STRIKE AND YOU'RE ORGANIZATIONS.

>> IF IT'S ONE STRIKE AND YOU'RE OUT, WHAT IS GOING TO BE YOUR >> IF IT'S ONE STRIKE AND YOU'RE OUT, WHAT IS GOING TO BE YOUR OUT, WHAT IS GOING TO BE YOUR TENDENCY?

TENDENCY?

IT WILL BE TO COVER IT UP.

TENDENCY?

IT WILL BE TO COVER IT UP.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE IT WILL BE TO COVER IT UP.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE OFGS?

IT GETS MIDDLE.

OFGS?

IT GETS MIDDLE.

THEY SAY IF HE IS DOING IT, IT IT GETS MIDDLE.

THEY SAY IF HE IS DOING IT, IT MUST BE OKAY.

IN THE LONG RUN, IT BECOMES EVEN MUST BE OKAY.

IN THE LONG RUN, IT BECOMES EVEN MORE DETRIMENTAL.

SO I THINK YOU'RE LYING TO ME, MORE DETRIMENTAL.

SO I THINK YOU'RE LYING TO ME, IT'S OKAY FOR ME TO LIE TO YOU.

>> THE PROFESSOR DIDN'T THINK IT'S OKAY FOR ME TO LIE TO YOU.

>> THE PROFESSOR DIDN'T THINK IT'S ANY BETTER OR WORSE THAN >> THE PROFESSOR DIDN'T THINK IT'S ANY BETTER OR WORSE THAN THE PAST.

IT'S ANY BETTER OR WORSE THAN THE PAST.

SHE SAYS SHE IS NOW SEEING THE PAST.

SHE SAYS SHE IS NOW SEEING GENUINE INTEREST AMONG SHE SAYS SHE IS NOW SEEING GENUINE INTEREST AMONG CORPORATIONS TO REVALUATE THEIR GENUINE INTEREST AMONG CORPORATIONS TO REVALUATE THEIR VALUES.

CORPORATIONS TO REVALUATE THEIR VALUES.

FOR RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWS VALUES.

FOR RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWS WEEKLY.

I'M LUCKY SEVERSON IN CHICAGO.

WEEKLY.

I'M LUCKY SEVERSON IN CHICAGO.

>> LAST YEAR, THE GALLUP POLE I'M LUCKY SEVERSON IN CHICAGO.

>> LAST YEAR, THE GALLUP POLE ASKED AMERICANS TO EVALUATE THE >> LAST YEAR, THE GALLUP POLE ASKED AMERICANS TO EVALUATE THE HONESTY AND ETHICAL STANDARDS OF ASKED AMERICANS TO EVALUATE THE HONESTY AND ETHICAL STANDARDS OF PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT FIELDS.

HONESTY AND ETHICAL STANDARDS OF PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT FIELDS.

THE HIGHEST RANKINGS WENT TO PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT FIELDS.

THE HIGHEST RANKINGS WENT TO NURSES, AND THE WORST WENT TO THE HIGHEST RANKINGS WENT TO NURSES, AND THE WORST WENT TO CAR MECHANICS AND LOBBYISTS.

NURSES, AND THE WORST WENT TO CAR MECHANICS AND LOBBYISTS.

>>> THIS IS THE WEEKEND OF THE CAR MECHANICS AND LOBBYISTS.

>>> THIS IS THE WEEKEND OF THE ANNUAL WILD GOOSE FESTIVAL IN >>> THIS IS THE WEEKEND OF THE ANNUAL WILD GOOSE FESTIVAL IN RURAL NORTH CAROLINA.

ANNUAL WILD GOOSE FESTIVAL IN RURAL NORTH CAROLINA.

SUCCESSOR TO THE OLD SUMMER RURAL NORTH CAROLINA.

SUCCESSOR TO THE OLD SUMMER TRADITION OF THE CAMP MEETING.

THE PARTICIPANTS ARE PROGRESSIVE TRADITION OF THE CAMP MEETING.

THE PARTICIPANTS ARE PROGRESSIVE PRODISTANTS.

>> MORE THAN 2,000 PEOPLE MAKE PRODISTANTS.

>> MORE THAN 2,000 PEOPLE MAKE THE TREK EACH YEAR TO THE WOODS >> MORE THAN 2,000 PEOPLE MAKE THE TREK EACH YEAR TO THE WOODS OF RULE NORTH CAROLINA FOR FOUR THE TREK EACH YEAR TO THE WOODS OF RULE NORTH CAROLINA FOR FOUR DAYS OF CAMPING, COMMUNITY, OF RULE NORTH CAROLINA FOR FOUR DAYS OF CAMPING, COMMUNITY, SONG, AND PRAYER.

DAYS OF CAMPING, COMMUNITY, SONG, AND PRAYER.

SOME CALL IT THE CHRISTIAN SONG, AND PRAYER.

SOME CALL IT THE CHRISTIAN WOODSTOCK.

>> TWHIEL IS A FESTIVAL AT THE WOODSTOCK.

>> TWHIEL IS A FESTIVAL AT THE INTERSECTION OF JUSTICE, ROOTED >> TWHIEL IS A FESTIVAL AT THE INTERSECTION OF JUSTICE, ROOTED IN THE CHRISTIAN TRADITION, OPEN INTERSECTION OF JUSTICE, ROOTED IN THE CHRISTIAN TRADITION, OPEN TO EVERYBODY, MOSTLY FOCUSED ON IN THE CHRISTIAN TRADITION, OPEN TO EVERYBODY, MOSTLY FOCUSED ON LEARNING HOW TO LOVE.

TO EVERYBODY, MOSTLY FOCUSED ON LEARNING HOW TO LOVE.

>> THE NAME WILD GOOSE COMES LEARNING HOW TO LOVE.

>> THE NAME WILD GOOSE COMES FROM THE ANCIENT CELTIC SYMBOL.

THEY FELT SOMETHING FAMILIAR WAS FROM THE ANCIENT CELTIC SYMBOL.

THEY FELT SOMETHING FAMILIAR WAS NEEDED IN THE U.S.

THEY FELT SOMETHING FAMILIAR WAS NEEDED IN THE U.S. >> I'M VERY FRUSTRATED WHEN I NEEDED IN THE U.S. >> I'M VERY FRUSTRATED WHEN I HEAR JESUS' WORDS INTERPRETED >> I'M VERY FRUSTRATED WHEN I HEAR JESUS' WORDS INTERPRETED THE WAY THE CULTURAL CHRISTIAN HEAR JESUS' WORDS INTERPRETED THE WAY THE CULTURAL CHRISTIAN IN THE WORLD IS INTERPRETING THE WAY THE CULTURAL CHRISTIAN IN THE WORLD IS INTERPRETING THEM.

IN THE WORLD IS INTERPRETING THEM.

>> WE HAVE LEARNED THAT THEM.

>> WE HAVE LEARNED THAT INSTITUTIONAL RELIGION HAS GOT >> WE HAVE LEARNED THAT INSTITUTIONAL RELIGION HAS GOT IT ENTIRELY THE WRONG WAY INSTITUTIONAL RELIGION HAS GOT IT ENTIRELY THE WRONG WAY AROUND.

IT ENTIRELY THE WRONG WAY AROUND.

THIS IS JUST A PLACE WHERE WE'RE AROUND.

THIS IS JUST A PLACE WHERE WE'RE TRIES TO GET IT MORE RIGHT, OR THIS IS JUST A PLACE WHERE WE'RE TRIES TO GET IT MORE RIGHT, OR LESS WRONG.

TRIES TO GET IT MORE RIGHT, OR LESS WRONG.

THROUGH CONVERSATION AND LESS WRONG.

THROUGH CONVERSATION AND EXPERIMENTATION, AND THROUGH THE THROUGH CONVERSATION AND EXPERIMENTATION, AND THROUGH THE FREEDOMS FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE EXPERIMENTATION, AND THROUGH THE FREEDOMS FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE UNCENSORED DIE -- DIALOGUE WITH FREEDOMS FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE UNCENSORED DIE -- DIALOGUE WITH EACH OTHER.

UNCENSORED DIE -- DIALOGUE WITH EACH OTHER.

THEY ARE ENCOURAGED TO SHARE IN EACH OTHER.

THEY ARE ENCOURAGED TO SHARE IN A RESPECTFUL AND OPEN WAY.

>> WHEN YOU HAVE FOUR DAYS IN A A RESPECTFUL AND OPEN WAY.

>> WHEN YOU HAVE FOUR DAYS IN A FIELD, AND YOU'RE CAMPING, YOU >> WHEN YOU HAVE FOUR DAYS IN A FIELD, AND YOU'RE CAMPING, YOU STOP CARING WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE FIELD, AND YOU'RE CAMPING, YOU STOP CARING WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE AND SMELL LIKE, AND YOU MIGHT STOP CARING WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE AND SMELL LIKE, AND YOU MIGHT LET YOUR GUARD DOWN JUST A AND SMELL LIKE, AND YOU MIGHT LET YOUR GUARD DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN IN EVERY LET YOUR GUARD DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN IN EVERY DAY LIFE, AND HAVE A DIRNT KIND LITTLE BIT MORE THAN IN EVERY DAY LIFE, AND HAVE A DIRNT KIND OF CONVERSATION.

DAY LIFE, AND HAVE A DIRNT KIND OF CONVERSATION.

>> WE ENCOUNSELOR PEOPLE TO HAVE OF CONVERSATION.

>> WE ENCOUNSELOR PEOPLE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ACROSS DIFFERENT >> WE ENCOUNSELOR PEOPLE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ACROSS DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, AND THEY'RE ALL CONVERSATIONS ACROSS DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, AND THEY'RE ALL PART OF WHAT THIS IS, AND WE COMMUNITIES, AND THEY'RE ALL PART OF WHAT THIS IS, AND WE BRING OTHER VOICES IN TO SPEAK PART OF WHAT THIS IS, AND WE BRING OTHER VOICES IN TO SPEAK TO THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.

BRING OTHER VOICES IN TO SPEAK TO THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.

>> SPEAKERS INCLUDE AUTHORS, TO THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL.

>> SPEAKERS INCLUDE AUTHORS, THEOLOGIANS, AND BUSINESS >> SPEAKERS INCLUDE AUTHORS, THEOLOGIANS, AND BUSINESS LEADERS.

THEOLOGIANS, AND BUSINESS LEADERS.

THEY FOREGO ALL APPEARANCE FEES.

LEADERS.

THEY FOREGO ALL APPEARANCE FEES.

>> THERE IS NO VIP GREEN ROOM, THEY FOREGO ALL APPEARANCE FEES.

>> THERE IS NO VIP GREEN ROOM, AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE WON OSCARS, >> THERE IS NO VIP GREEN ROOM, AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE WON OSCARS, GRAMMYS, BEST SELLING AUTHORS, AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE WON OSCARS, GRAMMYS, BEST SELLING AUTHORS, YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A GRAMMYS, BEST SELLING AUTHORS, YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL INTERACTION AT WILD YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL INTERACTION AT WILD GOOSE THAN YOU WILL AT OTHER MEANINGFUL INTERACTION AT WILD GOOSE THAN YOU WILL AT OTHER PLACES.

GOOSE THAN YOU WILL AT OTHER PLACES.

>> FESTIVAL GOERS MAY HAVE PLACES.

>> FESTIVAL GOERS MAY HAVE >> FESTIVAL GOERS MAY HAVE VARYING BACKGROUNDS, BUT VARYING BACKGROUNDS, BUT WORKSHOPS WORK ON SEVERAL AREAS VARYING BACKGROUNDS, BUT WORKSHOPS WORK ON SEVERAL AREAS OF IMPORTANCE.

WORKSHOPS WORK ON SEVERAL AREAS OF IMPORTANCE.

THEY TALK ABOUT HUNGER, OF IMPORTANCE.

THEY TALK ABOUT HUNGER, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION, AND THEY TALK ABOUT HUNGER, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION, AND PEACE.

ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION, AND PEACE.

>> THERE IS A DEEP LONGING FOR A PEACE.

>> THERE IS A DEEP LONGING FOR A WAY OF LIFE.

>> JONATHAN WILSON HARTGROVE IS WAY OF LIFE.

>> JONATHAN WILSON HARTGROVE IS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE >> JONATHAN WILSON HARTGROVE IS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE MOVEMENT.

A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE MOVEMENT.

>> IT'S UP WITH WAY OF MOVEMENT.

>> IT'S UP WITH WAY OF DESCRIBING THE MOVEMENT TOWARDS >> IT'S UP WITH WAY OF DESCRIBING THE MOVEMENT TOWARDS COMMUNITY, SIMPLICITY, AND DESCRIBING THE MOVEMENT TOWARDS COMMUNITY, SIMPLICITY, AND LIVING NONVIOLENTLY IN OUR COMMUNITY, SIMPLICITY, AND LIVING NONVIOLENTLY IN OUR LIVING NONVIOLENTLY IN OUR CULTURE.

CULTURE.

WHAT IS CHURCH GOING TO LOOK CULTURE.

WHAT IS CHURCH GOING TO LOOK LIKE 50 YEARS FROM ARE NOW.

I THINK IT'S ONE WAY THAT WE CAN LIKE 50 YEARS FROM ARE NOW.

I THINK IT'S ONE WAY THAT WE CAN IMAGINE A FUTURE TOGETHER.

>> ONE IMPORTANT VOICE THAT WILL IMAGINE A FUTURE TOGETHER.

>> ONE IMPORTANT VOICE THAT WILL BE MISSED IN THAT CONVERSATION >> ONE IMPORTANT VOICE THAT WILL BE MISSED IN THAT CONVERSATION GOING FORWARD IS VINCENT HARDING BE MISSED IN THAT CONVERSATION GOING FORWARD IS VINCENT HARDING WHO DIED THIS YEAR.

GOING FORWARD IS VINCENT HARDING WHO DIED THIS YEAR.

HE WAS AN INTERFEDERAL PART OF WHO DIED THIS YEAR.

HE WAS AN INTERFEDERAL PART OF THE WILD GOOSE COMMUNITY SINCE HE WAS AN INTERFEDERAL PART OF THE WILD GOOSE COMMUNITY SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE FESTIVAL IN THE WILD GOOSE COMMUNITY SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE FESTIVAL IN 2011.

THE INCEPTION OF THE FESTIVAL IN 2011.

>> I THINK THAT CHURCHES HAVE A 2011.

>> I THINK THAT CHURCHES HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND A GREAT >> I THINK THAT CHURCHES HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND A GREAT RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND A WAY TO GREAT OPPORTUNITY AND A GREAT RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND A WAY TO BRING US TOGETHER.

RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND A WAY TO BRING US TOGETHER.

NOT JUST TO WORSHIP TOGETHER, BRING US TOGETHER.

NOT JUST TO WORSHIP TOGETHER, BUT TO LIVE TOGETHER.

AND THEIR WITH EACH OTHER.

BUT TO LIVE TOGETHER.

AND THEIR WITH EACH OTHER.

>> WE FIND PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT AND THEIR WITH EACH OTHER.

>> WE FIND PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT CULTURALLY CHRISTIANS, THEY >> WE FIND PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT CULTURALLY CHRISTIANS, THEY FOLLOW OTHER FAITHS, MORE DEEPLY CULTURALLY CHRISTIANS, THEY FOLLOW OTHER FAITHS, MORE DEEPLY UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGES FROM FOLLOW OTHER FAITHS, MORE DEEPLY UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGES FROM JESUS MORE DEEPLY THAN WE DO.

UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGES FROM JESUS MORE DEEPLY THAN WE DO.

>> A SINGER/SONG WRITER JESUS MORE DEEPLY THAN WE DO.

>> A SINGER/SONG WRITER ADVOCATES FOR FREE SPEECH, >> A SINGER/SONG WRITER ADVOCATES FOR FREE SPEECH, GENDER EQUALITY, AND DIVERSITY.

ADVOCATES FOR FREE SPEECH, GENDER EQUALITY, AND DIVERSITY.

>> IT'S ESSENTIALLY ABOUT GENDER EQUALITY, AND DIVERSITY.

>> IT'S ESSENTIALLY ABOUT CARRYING FOR OUR FELLOW BROTHERS >> IT'S ESSENTIALLY ABOUT CARRYING FOR OUR FELLOW BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

CARRYING FOR OUR FELLOW BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

IT'S VERY SIMPLE.

AND SISTERS.

IT'S VERY SIMPLE.

>> I USE MUSIC AS A TOOL BECAUSE IT'S VERY SIMPLE.

>> I USE MUSIC AS A TOOL BECAUSE IT REALLY TOUCHES PEOPLE.

IT'S SUCH A POWERFUL TOOL AND I IT REALLY TOUCHES PEOPLE.

IT'S SUCH A POWERFUL TOOL AND I USE IT IN A LOVING WAY TO SOFTEN IT'S SUCH A POWERFUL TOOL AND I USE IT IN A LOVING WAY TO SOFTEN THE HEART.

USE IT IN A LOVING WAY TO SOFTEN THE HEART.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT SECURITY THE HEART.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT SECURITY OF KNOWING YOUR FAITH, TO BE SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT SECURITY OF KNOWING YOUR FAITH, TO BE SO LIBERATED AND OPEN MINDED ABOUT OF KNOWING YOUR FAITH, TO BE SO LIBERATED AND OPEN MINDED ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE.

LIBERATED AND OPEN MINDED ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE.

WE'RE HERE TO LEARN FROM EACH SOMEONE ELSE.

WE'RE HERE TO LEARN FROM EACH OTHER AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT WE'RE HERE TO LEARN FROM EACH OTHER AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT PATHS, BUT SO WHAT?

OTHER AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT PATHS, BUT SO WHAT?

>> MANY WHO HAVE BEEN PART OF IT PATHS, BUT SO WHAT?

>> MANY WHO HAVE BEEN PART OF IT SAY THEY HAVE HAD A PROFOUND >> MANY WHO HAVE BEEN PART OF IT SAY THEY HAVE HAD A PROFOUND SPIRITUAL OUTLOOK.

SAY THEY HAVE HAD A PROFOUND SPIRITUAL OUTLOOK.

THERE WAS A PERIOD IN MY LIFE SPIRITUAL OUTLOOK.

THERE WAS A PERIOD IN MY LIFE WHEN I WAS COMPLETELY SECURE.

I WAS IN A CAVE FOR ABOUT NINE WHEN I WAS COMPLETELY SECURE.

I WAS IN A CAVE FOR ABOUT NINE MONTHS UNTIL I WAS BORN.

SO I WAS ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT MONTHS UNTIL I WAS BORN.

SO I WAS ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT THAT EVERYTHING WAS FINE.

SUDDENLY ONE DAY I WAS PROPELLED THAT EVERYTHING WAS FINE.

SUDDENLY ONE DAY I WAS PROPELLED DOWN A TUNNEL.

IT MUST HAVE FELT LIKE DOWN A TUNNEL.

IT MUST HAVE FELT LIKE SUFFOCATING, IT MUST HAVE BEEN IT MUST HAVE FELT LIKE SUFFOCATING, IT MUST HAVE BEEN TERRIFYING, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT SUFFOCATING, IT MUST HAVE BEEN TERRIFYING, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LIKE DIEING.

TERRIFYING, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LIKE DIEING.

WHETHER YOU'RE A RELIGIOUS LIKE DIEING.

WHETHER YOU'RE A RELIGIOUS PERSON OR NOT, THERE'S NO NEED WHETHER YOU'RE A RELIGIOUS PERSON OR NOT, THERE'S NO NEED TO FEAR DEATH.

PERSON OR NOT, THERE'S NO NEED TO FEAR DEATH.

IT ALREADY HAPPENED TO YOU ONCE TO FEAR DEATH.

IT ALREADY HAPPENED TO YOU ONCE BEFORE AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE IT ALREADY HAPPENED TO YOU ONCE BEFORE AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE BETTER THAN WHAT YOU EXPECTED.

BEFORE AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE BETTER THAN WHAT YOU EXPECTED.

BETTER THAN WHAT YOU EXPECTED.

>>> THIS WEEK IS A NEW MOON, AND >>> THIS WEEK IS A NEW MOON, AND MUSLIMS WILL BE FASTING EVERY >>> THIS WEEK IS A NEW MOON, AND MUSLIMS WILL BE FASTING EVERY DAY FROM DAWN TO SUNSET AND MUSLIMS WILL BE FASTING EVERY DAY FROM DAWN TO SUNSET AND OFFERS PRAYS AND GIFTS TO THE DAY FROM DAWN TO SUNSET AND OFFERS PRAYS AND GIFTS TO THE POOR TO BE CLOSER TO GOD AND OFFERS PRAYS AND GIFTS TO THE POOR TO BE CLOSER TO GOD AND NEIGHBOR.

POOR TO BE CLOSER TO GOD AND NEIGHBOR.

THEY OFTEN BREAK THE FAST WITH NEIGHBOR.

THEY OFTEN BREAK THE FAST WITH TRADITIONAL TREATS LIKE DATES.

THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

TRADITIONAL TREATS LIKE DATES.

THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

I'M BOB ABERNATHY.

THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

I'M BOB ABERNATHY.

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