>> THIS WEEK'S PUZZLE.
SORTING OUT THE POLITICS OF SORTING OUT THE POLITICS OF HEALTHCARE AND CAMPAIGN HEALTHCARE AND CAMPAIGN MONEY.
MONEY.
AND THE SCOURGE OF DOMESTIC AND THE SCOURGE OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
TERRORISM.
TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK" TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK" THAT ALL ED TODAY THAT ALL ED TODAY ILLEGAL ARMED GROUPS MUST BE ILLEGAL ARMED GROUPS MUST BE DISARMED.
DISARMED.
THAT ALL ILLEGALLY SEIZED BUILDINGS MUST BE RETURNED TO BUILDINGS MUST BE RETURNED TO THEIR LEGITIMATE OWNERS.
THEIR LEGITIMATE OWNERS.
AND THAT ALL ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED AND THAT ALL ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED TREETS, SQUARES AND OTHER TREETS, SQUARES AND OTHER PUBLIC PLACES IN THE UKRAINIAN PUBLIC PLACES IN THE UKRAINIAN CITIES AND TOWNS MUST BE CITIES AND TOWNS MUST BE VACATED.
VACATED.
GWEN: DIPLOMATS MAY HAVE AGREED GWEN: DIPLOMATS MAY HAVE AGREED BUT THAT IS NOT THE END OF THE BUT THAT IS NOT THE END OF THE STORY.
STORY.
WITH RUSSIAN TROOPS STILL MASSED WITH RUSSIAN TROOPS STILL MASSED T THE BORDER AND UKRAINIAN T THE BORDER AND UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT HOLDING GROUND THE GOVERNMENT HOLDING GROUND THE STANDSOFF IS FAR FROM OVER.
STANDSOFF IS FAR FROM OVER.
N WASHINGTON THE PRESIDENT N WASHINGTON THE PRESIDENT STAKES OUT NEW AGGRESSIVE STAKES OUT NEW AGGRESSIVE POLITICAL GROUND ON HEALTHCARE.
POLITICAL GROUND ON HEALTHCARE.
EIGHT MILLION SIGN-UPS HE EIGHT MILLION SIGN-UPS HE SAYS DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE SAYS DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE BOASTING.
BOASTING.
>> I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD >> I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SKWRAOEUS OR BE DEFENSIVE SKWRAOEUS OR BE DEFENSIVE STRONG, GOOD STRONG, GOOD TELL.
STORY TO TELL.
STORY TO WEN: ON THE MONEY FRONT SUPER WEN: ON THE MONEY FRONT SUPER P.A.C.
'S ARE RAISING MINUTE FOR P.A.C.
'S ARE RAISING MINUTE FOR 2014 CANDIDATES AT AN 2014 CANDIDATES AT AN ASTONISHING CLIP.
ASTONISHING CLIP.
AFTER ANOTHER DEADLY RANDOLPH AFTER ANOTHER DEADLY RANDOLPH THIS TIME IN KANSAS.
THIS TIME IN KANSAS.
>> THEY DIDN'T.
>> THEY DIDN'T.
ANYTHING.
ANYTHING.
THEY WERE AMBUSHED.
THEY WERE AMBUSHED.
LAW ENFORCEMENT STRUGGLES LAW ENFORCEMENT STRUGGLES WITH WHAT TO DO NEXT.
WITH WHAT TO DO NEXT.
BAKER OFTHE WEEK PETER BAKER OFTHE WEEK PETER THE "NEW YORK TIMES."
THE "NEW YORK TIMES."
MOLLY BALL OF THE ATLANTIC.
MOLLY BALL OF THE ATLANTIC.
MATEA GOLD OF THE "WASHINGTON MATEA GOLD OF THE "WASHINGTON POST" AND PETE WILLIAMS OF NBC POST" AND PETE WILLIAMS OF NBC NEWS.
NEWS.
>> AWARD WINNING REPORTING AND >> AWARD WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS.
ANALYSIS.
AS IT HAPPENS.Y AS IT HAPPENS.Y LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL.
"WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL.
NCE AGAIN LIVE FROM WASHINGTON MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
WAR, CIVIL WAR, PROPAGANDA WAR, CIVIL WAR, PROPAGANDA WAR.
WAR.
LL THREE ARE UNDER WAY TO SOME LL THREE ARE UNDER WAY TO SOME DEGREE IN UKRAINE RIGHT NOW AND DEGREE IN UKRAINE RIGHT NOW AND EVEN THOUGH THE SECRETARY OF EVEN THOUGH THE SECRETARY OF STATE IS THE ONE AT THE STATE IS THE ONE AT THE TABLES IN GENEVA TABLES IN GENEVA PRESIDENT OBAMA SEEMS SKEPTICAL PRESIDENT OBAMA SEEMS SKEPTICAL THAT THERE IS ANYTHING ANYONE THAT THERE IS ANYTHING ANYONE ACHIEVE REAL PEACE.
ACHIEVE REAL PEACE.
>> OUR STRONG PREFERENCE WOULD >> OUR STRONG PREFERENCE WOULD E FOR MR. PUTIN TO FOLLOW E FOR MR. PUTIN TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON WHAT IS A GLIMMER OF THROUGH ON WHAT IS A GLIMMER OF OPE COMING OUT OF THESE GENEVA OPE COMING OUT OF THESE GENEVA TALKS BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO TALKS BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO WE SEE IT.
UNTIL WE SEE IT.
UNTIL IN THE MEANTIME WE WILL PREPARE IN THE MEANTIME WE WILL PREPARE WHAT OUR OTHER OPTIONS ARE.
WHAT OUR OTHER OPTIONS ARE.
MR. PUTIN DOES NOT MR. PUTIN DOES NOT SEEM TO CARE MUCHOR PRESIDENT SEEM TO CARE MUCHOR PRESIDENT PREFERENCES, G PREFERENCES, G WHICH IS WEDGES THE U.S.
BETWEEN WHICH IS WEDGES THE U.S.
BETWEEN ANOTHER ROCK AND ANOTHER HARD ANOTHER ROCK AND ANOTHER HARD PLACE.
PLACE.
WE OUT OF DIPLOMATIC WE OUT OF DIPLOMATIC SOLUTIONS, PETER?
SOLUTIONS, PETER?
> YES, THIS REMINDS YOU OF THE > YES, THIS REMINDS YOU OF THE WINKLE D BA BULL WINKLE D BA BULL CONSTITUTION WHERE HE SAYS WATCH CONSTITUTION WHERE HE SAYS WATCH ME PULL A RABBIT OUT OF MY HAT.
ME PULL A RABBIT OUT OF MY HAT.
THERE IS NO RABBIT AND HERE THERE IS NO RABBIT AND HERE THE IS NO SIGNS THAT THE IS NO SIGNS THAT PRO-RUSSIAN MILITANTS ARE PRO-RUSSIAN MILITANTS ARE WITHDRAWING.
WITHDRAWING.
THEY ARE SAYING WE DON'T ANSWER THEY ARE SAYING WE DON'T ANSWER MOSCOW THAT.
MOSCOW THAT.
IS DEBATABLE BUT THEY ARE IS DEBATABLE BUT THEY ARE STANDING PUT.
STANDING PUT.
AND AT THE WHITE HOUSE THEY ARE AND AT THE WHITE HOUSE THEY ARE NERVOUSLY.
NERVOUSLY.
THEY DON'T THINK THERE IS THEY DON'T THINK THERE IS NECESSARILY GOING TO LEAD TO A NECESSARILY GOING TO LEAD TO A PERMANENT DURABLE SOLUTION AND PERMANENT DURABLE SOLUTION AND OUT ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ARE TRYING TO FIGURE WHAT COMES NEXT.
WHAT COMES NEXT.
>> BY THE WAY, I CAN'T ENOUGH OF >> BY THE WAY, I CAN'T ENOUGH OF NATASHA.
NATASHA.
THE ROCKY AND BULLWINKLE THE ROCKY AND BULLWINKLE REFERENCE.
REFERENCE.
THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT EVERYBODY THE AGREEMENT WAS THAT EVERYBODY ILLEGAL ARMED GROUPS COULD STEP ILLEGAL ARMED GROUPS COULD STEP A DIFFERENT E'S A DIFFERENT E'S DEFINITION OF WHAT CONSTITUTES DEFINITION OF WHAT CONSTITUTES ILLEGAL ARMS GROUPS.
ILLEGAL ARMS GROUPS.
>> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY.
TALKING ABOUT E TALKING ABOUT E THIS GROUP CALLED RIGHT SECTOR THIS GROUP CALLED RIGHT SECTOR WHICH IS A VERY RIGHT WING PART WHICH IS A VERY RIGHT WING PART THE COALITION THAT PUSHED OUT THE COALITION THAT PUSHED OUT FAVORITE PRESIDENT AND FAVORITE PRESIDENT AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT IN KIEV GOVERNMENT IN KIEV TAMING THEIR EXTREMIST FORCES TAMING THEIR EXTREMIST FORCES AND WHAT JOHN KERRY IS TALKING AND WHAT JOHN KERRY IS TALKING CAUSING THE SE CAUSING THE SE TROUBLE IN EASTERN UKRAINE.
TROUBLE IN EASTERN UKRAINE.
SO IT IS AN AGREEMENT WHERE SO IT IS AN AGREEMENT WHERE EVERYBODY CAN THINK THEY GOT EVERYBODY CAN THINK THEY GOT IT DOESN'T NT BUT IT DOESN'T NT BUT SEEM TO HAVE LED TO ANYTHING SEEM TO HAVE LED TO ANYTHING BESIDES THE NICE WORDS ON THE BESIDES THE NICE WORDS ON THE PAGE.
PAGE.
>> IT SEEMS LIKE THE PRESIDENT >> IT SEEMS LIKE THE PRESIDENT AND SECRETARY OF STATE HAVE AND SECRETARY OF STATE HAVE DIFFERENT IGHTLY DIFFERENT IGHTLY TONE.
TONE.
HAT IS THE DYNAMIC WITHIN THE HAT IS THE DYNAMIC WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION.
ADMINISTRATION.
>> KERRY EMERGED WITH SIX HOURS >> KERRY EMERGED WITH SIX HOURS WITH HIS COUNTER PARTS WITH HIS COUNTER PARTS AND HE PRESENTED A MUCH MORE AND HE PRESENTED A MUCH MORE PTIMISTIC, NOT OVER THE TOP PTIMISTIC, NOT OVER THE TOP OPTIMISTIC BUT A MORE POSITIVE OPTIMISTIC BUT A MORE POSITIVE VIEW OF WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
VIEW OF WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
I SUPPOSE IF YOU SPEND SIX HOURS I SUPPOSE IF YOU SPEND SIX HOURS TO GET AN AGREEMENT AND GET TO GET AN AGREEMENT AND GET PEOPLE TO SIGN YOU HAVE TO FEEL PEOPLE TO SIGN YOU HAVE TO FEEL SOME CONFIDENCE.
SOME CONFIDENCE.
THAT WAS NOT GTON THAT WAS NOT GTON PROEUP'S POINT OF VIEW.
PROEUP'S POINT OF VIEW.
I THINK HE FEELS LIKE CHARLIE I THINK HE FEELS LIKE CHARLIE AND THE FOOTBALL.
AND THE FOOTBALL.
THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE AND THE THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE AND THE RUSSIANS HAVE SAID WE DON'T RUSSIANS HAVE SAID WE DON'T ANNEX WE ARE GOING TO ANNEX WE ARE GOING TO AND THEY DON'T AND THEY AND THEY DON'T AND THEY DESTABILIZE THE EASTERN UKRAINE DESTABILIZE THE EASTERN UKRAINE HE HAS A HEALTHY DOSE OF HE HAS A HEALTHY DOSE OF CYNICISM AND THAT INDICATES HOW CYNICISM AND THAT INDICATES HOW HE ADMINISTRATION IS PULLED HE ADMINISTRATION IS PULLED APART BETWEEN THOSE THAT FAVOR A APART BETWEEN THOSE THAT FAVOR A MORE DIPLOMAT SOLUTION AND THOSE MORE DIPLOMAT SOLUTION AND THOSE WHO FAVOR MORE ACTION.
WHO FAVOR MORE ACTION.
>> WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IF RUSSIA >> WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IF RUSSIA DOESN'T LIVE UP TO ITS SIDE OF DOESN'T LIVE UP TO ITS SIDE OF THE BARGAIN?
THE BARGAIN?
OFFICIALS NISTRATION OFFICIALS NISTRATION ARE SAYING IT WILL BE A MATTER ARE SAYING IT WILL BE A MATTER WEEKS IN TERMS OF WEEKS IN TERMS OF WHETHER THEY MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER THEY MAKE A DECISION ON HOW THE AGREEMENT IS HOLDING UP HOW THE AGREEMENT IS HOLDING UP THEY DON'T SEE PROGRESS THEY DON'T SEE PROGRESS THEY SAY THEY WILL MOVE FORWARD THEY SAY THEY WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH SANCTIONS.
WITH SANCTIONS.
HAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE HAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE MORE TRAVEL BANS AND ASSET MORE TRAVEL BANS AND ASSET FREEZES OF INDIVIDUAL RUSSIAN FREEZES OF INDIVIDUAL RUSSIAN COUPLE OF MAYBE A COUPLE OF MAYBE A INSTITUTIONS LIKE THE BANK.
INSTITUTIONS LIKE THE BANK.
THEY ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE THEY ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CRIPPLING SANCTIONS CRIPPLING SANCTIONS THEY USED AGAINST IRAN AND THEY USED AGAINST IRAN AND SEARCH AND SEIZURES AGAINST THE SEARCH AND SEIZURES AGAINST THE RUSSIAN ECONOMY.
RUSSIAN ECONOMY.
THEY WANT TO HOLD THAT IN THEY WANT TO HOLD THAT IN RESERVE BECAUSE RUSSIA HAS RESERVE BECAUSE RUSSIA HAS AND THEY NEED SOMETHING AND THEY NEED SOMETHING BUT THERE ARE QUESTIONS WHETHER BUT THERE ARE QUESTIONS WHETHER IT WILL MEAN ANYTHING BECAUSE IT WILL MEAN ANYTHING BECAUSE UTIN HASN'T BEEN I BELIEVE UTIN HASN'T BEEN I BELIEVE PRESSED.
PRESSED.
>> THERE WAS A LETTER THAT WAS >> THERE WAS A LETTER THAT WAS UPPOSEDLY SENT TO JEWS IN UPPOSEDLY SENT TO JEWS IN UKRAINE SAYING THEY SHOULD UKRAINE SAYING THEY SHOULD REPORT THEMSELVES AND LIST THEIR REPORT THEMSELVES AND LIST THEIR POSSESSIONS.
POSSESSIONS.
HAS IT BEEN DETERMINED THAT WAS HAS IT BEEN DETERMINED THAT WAS WAS IT A HO?AX WAS IT A HO?AX AND IF SO WHOSE SIDE DID IT COME AND IF SO WHOSE SIDE DID IT COME FROM?
FROM?
>> BOTH SAID IT CAME FROM THE >> BOTH SAID IT CAME FROM THE OTHER.
OTHER.
UNROCKED ROCLAIMEDED UNROCKED ROCLAIMEDED GROUP THAT HAVE TAKEN THE GROUP THAT HAVE TAKEN THE BUILDINGITY GOVERNMENT BUILDINGITY GOVERNMENT SAID THEY HAD NOTHING TO WITH SAID THEY HAD NOTHING TO WITH IT.
IT.
SAID IT IS IAN SAID SAID IT IS IAN SAID THE FASCISTS THEY CALL THEM.
THE FASCISTS THEY CALL THEM.
YOU IS IT IS ALS YOU IS IT IS ALS VERY VOLATILE AND DANGEROUS VERY VOLATILE AND DANGEROUS SITUATION.
SITUATION.
THE RICE CAME OUT THE RICE CAME OUT PRESIDENT'S NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENT'S NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR SAID IT WAS UTTERLY ADVISOR SAID IT WAS UTTERLY THE PRESIDENT WAS THE PRESIDENT WAS DISGUSTED BY THEM AND IT HINTS DISGUSTED BY THEM AND IT HINTS UGLIER MOMENTS AND UGLIER MOMENTS AND THAT IS THE FEAR IN THAT PART OF THAT IS THE FEAR IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD WHERE THERE IS SO MUCH THE WORLD WHERE THERE IS SO MUCH THAT.ENCE WITH THAT.ENCE WITH GWEN: VLADIMIR PUTIN WAS TALKING GWEN: VLADIMIR PUTIN WAS TALKING ABOUT NEW RUSSIA WHICH IS TO BE ABOUT NEW RUSSIA WHICH IS TO BE THOSE PARTS OF THOSE PARTS OF UKRAINE WHICH ARE ON THE RUSSIAN UKRAINE WHICH ARE ON THE RUSSIAN PART THAT HE N PART THAT HE N THINKS SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN THINKS SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN INDEPENDENT.
INDEPENDENT.
VESTED INTEREST HAS HE IN VESTED INTEREST HAS HE IN WE EVERTION AND WHY DID WE EVERTION AND WHY DID BELIEVE HAD AN INVESTMENT IN THE BELIEVE HAD AN INVESTMENT IN THE DEAL IN GENEVA?
DEAL IN GENEVA?
>> GOOD QUESTION.
>> GOOD QUESTION.
SOME COMPARED IT TO 2001 WHEN SOME COMPARED IT TO 2001 WHEN TOPPLED THE H TOPPLED THE H TALIBAN AND HAD TO DECIDE TALIBAN AND HAD TO DECIDE WHETHER TO GO FURTHER IN TERMS WHETHER TO GO FURTHER IN TERMS THE ARGUMENT IS THE ARGUMENT IS PUTIN HAD THE SAME THING.
PUTIN HAD THE SAME THING.
YOU POCKET THE WIN IN CRIMEA AND YOU POCKET THE WIN IN CRIMEA AND OR DO YOU KEEP PUSHING OR DO YOU KEEP PUSHING AND PUSHING AND SEE HOW FAR IT AND PUSHING AND SEE HOW FAR IT GOES.
GOES.
DOES FEEL LIKE HE IS WINNING.
DOES FEEL LIKE HE IS WINNING.
HIS POPULARITY IS 80%.
HIS POPULARITY IS 80%.
FEELING AN ECONOMIC FEELING AN ECONOMIC PINCH BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO PINCH BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE BOTHERING THEM AS A MATTER OF BE BOTHERING THEM AS A MATTER OF HE HAS THED HE FEELS HE HAS THED HE FEELS WEST AT AN ADVANTAGE.
WEST AT AN ADVANTAGE.
GWEN: THANK YOU, PETER.
GWEN: THANK YOU, PETER.
NOW TO DOMESTIC POLITICS THE NOW TO DOMESTIC POLITICS THE CAME INTO THE WHITE CAME INTO THE WHITE HOUSE BRIEFING ROOM YESTERDAY HOUSE BRIEFING ROOM YESTERDAY KNOWING THAT HE WOULD GET KNOWING THAT HE WOULD GET HE TIONS ABOUT UKRAINE BUT HE TIONS ABOUT UKRAINE BUT HAD A LITTLE CROWING TO DO HAD A LITTLE CROWING TO DO FIRST.
FIRST.
EIGHT MILLION HAVE SIGNED UP ON EIGHT MILLION HAVE SIGNED UP ON ACT HEALTH ARE ACT HEALTH ARE EXCHANGES AND 35% OF THEM ARE EXCHANGES AND 35% OF THEM ARE HAVE I -- THE E HAVE I -- THE E THIS THING IS WORKING.RDS THIS THING IS WORKING.RDS THIS IS WHERE THE POLITICS COMES THIS IS WHERE THE POLITICS COMES IN.
IN.
IT STRANGE THE IT STRANGE THE REPUBLICAN POSITION ON THIS LAWE REPUBLICAN POSITION ON THIS LAWE THAT IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN.
THAT IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN.
THEY SAID NOBODY WITH SIGN UP.
THEY SAID NOBODY WITH SIGN UP.
THEY WERE WRONG ABOUT THAT.
THEY WERE WRONG ABOUT THAT.
WOULD BE IT WOULD BE IT UNAFFORDABLE FOR THE COUNTRY.
UNAFFORDABLE FOR THE COUNTRY.
THEY WERE WRONG ABOUT THAT.
THEY WERE WRONG ABOUT THAT.
TRYING E WRONG TO KEEP TRYING E WRONG TO KEEP TO REPEAL A LAW THAT IS WORKING TO REPEAL A LAW THAT IS WORKING HEN THEY HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE HEN THEY HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE ANSWER FOR MILLIONS OF ANSWER FOR MILLIONS OF AMERICANS.
AMERICANS.
> THE PRESIDENT WENT ON TO GO > THE PRESIDENT WENT ON TO GO AFTER STATES WHICH ALSO HAVEN'T AFTER STATES WHICH ALSO HAVEN'T EXPANDED MEDICAID TO ALLOW MORE EXPANDED MEDICAID TO ALLOW MORE TO SIGN UP TO GET COVERAGE.
TO SIGN UP TO GET COVERAGE.
MOLLY, WHY DID THE PRESIDENT MOLLY, WHY DID THE PRESIDENT POLITICAL TO GO ON A POLITICAL TO GO ON A OFFENSIVE LIKE THERE?
OFFENSIVE LIKE THERE?
>> I THINK THE FEELING IS THE >> I THINK THE FEELING IS THE ARE ON THEIR SIDE.
ARE ON THEIR SIDE.
WE KNOW WHETHER A DEBACLE THE WE KNOW WHETHER A DEBACLE THE AND IT WAS OUT WAS AND IT WAS OUT WAS TOUCH AND GO FOR A WHILE.
TOUCH AND GO FOR A WHILE.
IT WAS NOT CLEAR THEY WERE GOING IT WAS NOT CLEAR THEY WERE GOING TO GET THE SIGN-UPS.
TO GET THE SIGN-UPS.
IT WAS THOUGHT MANY WITH BE IT WAS THOUGHT MANY WITH BE DETERRED FROM SIGNING UP BY THE DETERRED FROM SIGNING UP BY THE ROLLOUT.
ROLLOUT.
BECAME CLEAR THE BECAME CLEAR THE CBOE PROJECTION WAS SEVEN CBOE PROJECTION WAS SEVEN AND THEY LOWERED IT TO AND THEY LOWERED IT TO SIX WHEN THE ROLLOUT WAS A SIX WHEN THE ROLLOUT WAS A ISASTER AND NOW WE HAVE EIGHT ISASTER AND NOW WE HAVE EIGHT MILLION SO THERE IS A FEELING MILLION SO THERE IS A FEELING THEY HAVE AMMUNITION TO MAKE THE THEY HAVE AMMUNITION TO MAKE THE CASE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT CASE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT WORDS THIS ISNT'S WORDS THIS ISNT'S WORKING.
WORKING.
I THINK ALSO A LOT OF DEMOCRATS I THINK ALSO A LOT OF DEMOCRATS BEHIND THE SCENES HAVE BEEN BEHIND THE SCENES HAVE BEEN DO THIS BECAUSE DO THIS BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN'T MAKE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN'T MAKE N AFFIRMATIVE CASE IF THE N AFFIRMATIVE CASE IF THE ADMINISTRATION ITSELF ALMOST ADMINISTRATION ITSELF ALMOST SEEMS TO BE RUNNING AWAY.
SEEMS TO BE RUNNING AWAY.
GWEN: I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF GWEN: I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF CLAMORING TO MAKE THE CLAMORING TO MAKE THE AFFIRMATIVE CASE.
AFFIRMATIVE CASE.
THEY SEEMED TO BE HIDING UNDER THEY SEEMED TO BE HIDING UNDER BED.
BED.
>> THE DEMOCRATS DON'T WANT TO >> THE DEMOCRATS DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
DO IT.
THEY WANT THE PRESIDENT TO GO THEY WANT THE PRESIDENT TO GO SOME OFSELL IT AND THEN SOME OFSELL IT AND THEN THEM ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM THE THEM ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM THE PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT.
BEIING THAT THEY BEIING THAT THEY HAVE AN ABILITY TO PERSUADE HAVE AN ABILITY TO PERSUADE THERE IS AUSE THERE IS AUSE APPARENTLY SUCH ENTHUSIASM AMONG APPARENTLY SUCH ENTHUSIASM AMONG SO FAR WE IGN UP AND SO FAR WE IGN UP AND ARE NOT HEARING THE HORROR ARE NOT HEARING THE HORROR TORIES THAT THEY REALLY FEAR TORIES THAT THEY REALLY FEAR THEY WOULD BE HAVING AND THERE THEY WOULD BE HAVING AND THERE IS STILL A LOT WE DON'T KNOW AND IS STILL A LOT WE DON'T KNOW AND OF THESE EAR A LOT OF THESE EAR A LOT QUESTIONS FROM THE REPUBLICANS, QUESTIONS FROM THE REPUBLICANS, PAYING THEIR LE PAYING THEIR LE PREMIUMS?
PREMIUMS?
ARE RATES GOING TO GO UP?
ARE RATES GOING TO GO UP?
WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PARTS OF THE WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PARTS OF THE BEEN DEFERRED OR BEEN DEFERRED OR LAID MANY UNTIL CONVENIENTLY LAID MANY UNTIL CONVENIENTLY AFTER THE ELECTION?
AFTER THE ELECTION?
KICK IT WILL THERE BE KICK IT WILL THERE BE FURTHER PROBLEMS?
FURTHER PROBLEMS?
>> WE KNOW IF THIS IS >> WE KNOW IF THIS IS GOOD IDEA?
GOOD IDEA?
>> PROBABLY NEVER BECAUSE THEY >> PROBABLY NEVER BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL FIGHTING OVER THE NEW ARE STILL FIGHTING OVER THE NEW DEAL, RIGHT?
DEAL, RIGHT?
THERE IS A SENSE THAT I THERE IS A SENSE THAT I THINK LIKE THE NEW DEAL OR LIKE THINK LIKE THE NEW DEAL OR LIKE THIS RE AT SOME POINT -- THIS RE AT SOME POINT -- IS WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN IS WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN AFRAID OF -- AT SOME POINT A AFRAID OF -- AT SOME POINT A IS DEPENDED ON BY IS DEPENDED ON BY ENOUGH PEOPLE ANDEN TRENCHED IN ENOUGH PEOPLE ANDEN TRENCHED IN HE LIFE THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE HE LIFE THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TAKE IT AWAY AND SOME TO TAKE IT AWAY AND SOME CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATORS SAYING CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATORS SAYING EPUBLICANS CAN'T REPEAL IT EPUBLICANS CAN'T REPEAL IT BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN TAKING BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN TAKING MILLIONS HCARE FROM MILLIONS HCARE FROM AND THEY NEED TO HAVE A AND THEY NEED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT EMERGENCY THAN DO AWAY DIFFERENT EMERGENCY THAN DO AWAY IT.
IT.
>> HAS THAT CHANGED PUBLIC >> HAS THAT CHANGED PUBLIC ATTITUDES?
ATTITUDES?
PRETTY RELENTLESSLY PRETTY RELENTLESSLY NEGATIVE.
NEGATIVE.
IS THE PUBLIC BEGINNING TO THINK IS THE PUBLIC BEGINNING TO THINK WAY?T IN A DIFFERENT WAY?T IN A DIFFERENT >> YES AND NO.
>> YES AND NO.
PUBLIC OPINION IS STILL PUBLIC OPINION IS STILL RELENTLESSLY NEGATIVE.
RELENTLESSLY NEGATIVE.
OF THE PUBLIC HAS AN OF THE PUBLIC HAS AN UNFAVORABLE OPINION OF OBAMA UNFAVORABLE OPINION OF OBAMA CARE.
CARE.
HOWEVER IT HAS GOTTEN A LITTLE HOWEVER IT HAS GOTTEN A LITTLE NOVEMBER.CE NOVEMBER.CE IT SORT OF COULDN'T GET ANY IT SORT OF COULDN'T GET ANY WORSE JUST BASED ON THE FACTS.
WORSE JUST BASED ON THE FACTS.
SUGGESTS ALSO THAT SUGGESTS ALSO THAT PEOPLE HAD AN OPEN ENOUGH MIND PEOPLE HAD AN OPEN ENOUGH MIND ABOUT THIS THING THAT WHEN IT ABOUT THIS THING THAT WHEN IT THEY -- LOOKEDAD THEY -- LOOKEDAD REALLY BAD THEY TURNED AGAINST REALLY BAD THEY TURNED AGAINST IT AND NOW THAT THINGS LOOK IT AND NOW THAT THINGS LOOK THE SAME PEOPLE MAY BE THE SAME PEOPLE MAY BE ABLE TO COME AROUND THE WHITE ABLE TO COME AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE HOPESMENT HOUSE HOPESMENT PRESIDENT'S PITCH WAS PRESIDENT'S PITCH WAS AND NOT TO DEMOCRATS AND NOT TO DEMOCRATS JUST FOCUSED ON REPUBLICANS BUT JUST FOCUSED ON REPUBLICANS BUT ARE PER THOSE WHO ARE PER THOSE WHO SAIDABLE THAT IT IS -- SAIDABLE THAT IT IS -- ERSUADABLE THAT IS IS NOT ERSUADABLE THAT IS IS NOT TERRIBLE.
TERRIBLE.
>> THE PRESIDENT'S POPULARITY IS >> THE PRESIDENT'S POPULARITY IS OT WHAT IT WAS BUT THE OT WHAT IT WAS BUT THE ADMINISTRATION'S HOPE IS HE HAS ADMINISTRATION'S HOPE IS HE HAS THE ABILITY IT SPEAK TO THE THE ABILITY IT SPEAK TO THE IT AN N PEOPLE AND MAKE IT AN N PEOPLE AND MAKE AFFIRMATIVE CASE AND GO ON OVER.
AFFIRMATIVE CASE AND GO ON OVER.
THERE WAS A FEELING THE THERE WAS A FEELING THE WINDOW TO MAKE A WINDOW TO MAKE A THEIR CASE AND THERE WAS A TIME THEIR CASE AND THERE WAS A TIME THEY COULD HAVE COME IN STRONGLY THEY COULD HAVE COME IN STRONGLY AND PROPOSED AN ALTERNATIVE AND AND PROPOSED AN ALTERNATIVE AND MADE THEMSELVES THE CHAMPIONS OF MADE THEMSELVES THE CHAMPIONS OF SOME OTHER KIND OF REFORM AND SOME OTHER KIND OF REFORM AND THAT.IDN'T DO THAT.IDN'T DO NOW THE ADMINISTRATION CAN SAY NOW THE ADMINISTRATION CAN SAY SEE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, SEE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, ALTERNATIVE.AVE AN ALTERNATIVE.AVE AN >> BUT MOLLY, DO WE SEE ANY SIGN >> BUT MOLLY, DO WE SEE ANY SIGN ANY VULNERABLE DEMOCRAT IS ANY VULNERABLE DEMOCRAT IS THIS AND PUTTING ADS THIS AND PUTTING ADS N SAYING LOOK WHAT THE N SAYING LOOK WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS ACCOMPLISHED WITH PRESIDENT HAS ACCOMPLISHED WITH ME BY HIS SIDE?
ME BY HIS SIDE?
GWEN: THAT MAY BE A LOT TO ASK GWEN: THAT MAY BE A LOT TO ASK FOR.
FOR.
>> ANOTHER THING DEMOCRATS HAS >> ANOTHER THING DEMOCRATS HAS HAD ANGST IS THERE HASN'T BEEN A HAD ANGST IS THERE HASN'T BEEN A THE ONEY GROUP LIKE THE ONEY GROUP LIKE REPUBLICANS HAVE WITH THE KOCHES REPUBLICANS HAVE WITH THE KOCHES TO MAKE THE DEMOCRATS' CASE FOR TO MAKE THE DEMOCRATS' CASE FOR THEM.
THEM.
GROUP IN INDEPENDENT GROUP IN INDEPENDENT ALASKA IN THE SENATE RACE THAT ALASKA IN THE SENATE RACE THAT AD ABOUT OBAMA AD ABOUT OBAMA CARE WITH A WOMAN WHO IS A CARE WITH A WOMAN WHO IS A CANCER VICTIM WHO HAS INSURANCE CANCER VICTIM WHO HAS INSURANCE BUT THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT.
BUT THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT.
ZILLIONS OF U HAVE ZILLIONS OF U HAVE NEGATIVE ADVERTISING POUNDING NEGATIVE ADVERTISING POUNDING DISASTER.THE LAW IS A DISASTER.THE LAW IS A MOST OF THOSE DEMOCRATS IN RED MOST OF THOSE DEMOCRATS IN RED PUTTING DISTANCE PUTTING DISTANCE BETWEEN THEMSELVES AND THE BETWEEN THEMSELVES AND THE THEY ENT MAKING THE CASE THEY ENT MAKING THE CASE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING THIS OR HAVE BEEN FIGHTING THIS OR FIGHTING TO CHANGE T. THEY ARE FIGHTING TO CHANGE T. THEY ARE NOT RUSHING TO THE PRESIDENT'S NOT RUSHING TO THE PRESIDENT'S SIDE.
SIDE.
GWEN: I NOTICE THE WHITE HOUSE GWEN: I NOTICE THE WHITE HOUSE AS BEEN POSTING VIDEOS THE AS BEEN POSTING VIDEOS THE LATEST IN AUSTIN OF HIM MEETING LATEST IN AUSTIN OF HIM MEETING WITH PEOPLE SAYING THANK YOU FOR WITH PEOPLE SAYING THANK YOU FOR SON'S LIFE.
SON'S LIFE.
THAT IS LIKE A TEMPLATE FOR ADS THAT IS LIKE A TEMPLATE FOR ADS IN THE FOURTH.
IN THE FOURTH.
IS ONE THING TO KNOW CASH IS IS ONE THING TO KNOW CASH IS DRIVING OUR ELECTIONS IT IS DRIVING OUR ELECTIONS IT IS NOTHER THING TO PUT COLD HARD NOTHER THING TO PUT COLD HARD NUMBERS TO THAT.
NUMBERS TO THAT.
POLITICAL PARTIES AND POLITICAL PARTIES AND INDEPENDENT POLITICAL ACTION INDEPENDENT POLITICAL ACTION GROUPS ES AND OUTSIDE GROUPS ES AND OUTSIDE HAVE RAISED CLOSE TO A BILLION HAVE RAISED CLOSE TO A BILLION DOLLARS AND THAT IS JUST THROUGH DOLLARS AND THAT IS JUST THROUGH THE END OF MARCH.
THE END OF MARCH.
GROUPS THAT HAVE TO DISCLOSE GROUPS THAT HAVE TO DISCLOSE THEIR FUND-RAISING.
THEIR FUND-RAISING.
EVEN WITH THAT LIMITED EVEN WITH THAT LIMITED UNDERSTANDING THERE ARE EARLY UNDERSTANDING THERE ARE EARLY WINNERS AND LOSERS IN THIS.
WINNERS AND LOSERS IN THIS.
>> THERE ARE SOME BIG WINNERS.
>> THERE ARE SOME BIG WINNERS.
P.A.C.
'S ARE RAKING IN THE P.A.C.
'S ARE RAKING IN THE CASH.
CASH.
SEVEN FIGURE WRITE SEVEN FIGURE WRITE CHECKS TO SUPER P.A.C.'S.
CHECKS TO SUPER P.A.C.'S.
N THE LEFT WHAT WE ARE SEEING N THE LEFT WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS THIS RELENTLESS DRIVE OF H R IS THIS RELENTLESS DRIVE OF H R REED AND OTHER DEMOCRATS REED AND OTHER DEMOCRATS KOCHES.TALK ABOUT THE KOCHES.TALK ABOUT THE >> CONSERVATIVE FINANCIALIERS.
>> CONSERVATIVE FINANCIALIERS.
DEMOCRATIC DONORS GAVE A LOT DEMOCRATIC DONORS GAVE A LOT ONTHE SENATE MAJORITY P.A.C.
ONTHE SENATE MAJORITY P.A.C.
THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE AND THAT I THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE AND THAT I VALIDATES HARRY REED TO VALIDATES HARRY REED TO AND INVOKE FLOOR AND INVOKE FLOOR THE NAME OF THE COMPS AND THE NAME OF THE COMPS AND NOT CAN CROSSROADS WERE NOT CAN CROSSROADS WERE DOING GREAT FUND-RAISING LAST DOING GREAT FUND-RAISING LAST YEAR THEY REALLY GOT BACK IN THE YEAR THEY REALLY GOT BACK IN THE IN MARCH AND RAISED $5 IN MARCH AND RAISED $5 ILLION AND A SIGN CONSERVATIVE ILLION AND A SIGN CONSERVATIVE DONORS ARE ENGAGING FOR THE DONORS ARE ENGAGING FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS CYCLE.
FIRST TIME THIS CYCLE.
OUTSIDE GROUPS WILL HAVE AN OUTSIDE GROUPS WILL HAVE AN IMPRINT.
IMPRINT.
E ARE SEEING OUTSIDE SPENDING E ARE SEEING OUTSIDE SPENDING HAS REACHED ALMOST $55 MILLION HAS REACHED ALMOST $55 MILLION COMPARED TO 2010 THIS POINT IT COMPARED TO 2010 THIS POINT IT MILLION SO YOU SEE MILLION SO YOU SEE HOW WE ARE ON TRACK TO SEE THE HOW WE ARE ON TRACK TO SEE THE IMPRINT OF THE ORGANIZATIONS.
IMPRINT OF THE ORGANIZATIONS.
THE LOSERS FRANTICLY ARE THE THE LOSERS FRANTICLY ARE THE VOTERS IN A LOT OF STATES THAT VOTERS IN A LOT OF STATES THAT GETTING BOMBARDED AND GETTING BOMBARDED AND IT IS NOT EVEN MAY.
IT IS NOT EVEN MAY.
> WHAT ABOUT THE TEA PARTY > WHAT ABOUT THE TEA PARTY CHALLENGERS?
CHALLENGERS?
THEY WERE SUCH A FORCE IN A LOT THEY WERE SUCH A FORCE IN A LOT OF PRIMARIES EARLY ON IN THE OF PRIMARIES EARLY ON IN THE TEA PARTY OF 2012 TEA PARTY OF 2012 ESPECIALLY.
ESPECIALLY.
WHAT ARE WE SEEING THIS TIME?
WHAT ARE WE SEEING THIS TIME?
SUPPORT?
GETTING SUPPORT?
GETTING ARE THEY PENETRATING THESE SORTS ARE THEY PENETRATING THESE SORTS OF FINANCIAL AREAS?
OF FINANCIAL AREAS?
HAS BEEN HARD FOR THEM TO HAS BEEN HARD FOR THEM TO BE COMPETITIVE.
BE COMPETITIVE.
I THINK THAT WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN I THINK THAT WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN IS A LOT OF DISCIPLINE IN THE IS A LOT OF DISCIPLINE IN THE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT IN THE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT IN THE REPUBLICANS RALLY THE DONORS TO REPUBLICANS RALLY THE DONORS TO WE HAVE TO AYING WE HAVE TO AYING BACK THESE FOLKS AND YOU SAW BACK THESE FOLKS AND YOU SAW MONEY NORS GIVE MONEY NORS GIVE EVERYWHERE BECAUSE THEY WERE EVERYWHERE BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO SEED THE FIELD.
TRYING TO SEED THE FIELD.
POLITICAL PARTIES POLITICAL PARTIES JUST THE RELATIONS?
JUST THE RELATIONS?
RAISE WILL BE ABLE TO RAISE WILL BE ABLE TO MORE THAN BEFORE AND ALLOW THEM MORE THAN BEFORE AND ALLOW THEM .O RAISE MONEY FROM DONORS .O RAISE MONEY FROM DONORS WE HAVE YET TO SEE THEM REALLY WE HAVE YET TO SEE THEM REALLY ABLE TO COLLECT ON THAT ABLE TO COLLECT ON THAT PROMISE BUT I THINK THEY ARE PROMISE BUT I THINK THEY ARE LREADY PUTTING MECHANICS IN LREADY PUTTING MECHANICS IN PLACE TO TDO SO.
PLACE TO TDO SO.
$30,000ARD TO COMPETE IN $30,000ARD TO COMPETE IN INCREMENTS WHICH IS WHETHER YOU INCREMENTS WHICH IS WHETHER YOU CAN GIVE A POLITICAL PARTY WHEN CAN GIVE A POLITICAL PARTY WHEN $4 MILLION WRITE A $4 MILLION WRITE A CHECK TO A SUPER P.A.C.
CHECK TO A SUPER P.A.C.
>> YOU HAD A STORY OF THE >> YOU HAD A STORY OF THE CLOUT OF FEMALE CLOUT OF FEMALE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES.
DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MADE THEM IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MADE THEM FORMIDABLE.
FORMIDABLE.
>> IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE >> IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE AW A LOT OF FEMALE DEMOCRATIC AW A LOT OF FEMALE DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGERS DO REALLY WELL IN CHALLENGERS DO REALLY WELL IN HIS PERIOD BUT ONE FACTOR IS HIS PERIOD BUT ONE FACTOR IS ONE FUND-RAISING MACHINE IS ONE FUND-RAISING MACHINE IS DOING BEEN EVER BEFORE AND THEY DOING BEEN EVER BEFORE AND THEY ON TRACK TO BREAK ALL KINDS ON TRACK TO BREAK ALL KINDS OF FUND-RAISING RECORDS SO OF FUND-RAISING RECORDS SO WHO HAVE THEIR WHO HAVE THEIR BACKING HAVE ANOTHER SOURCE.
BACKING HAVE ANOTHER SOURCE.
GWEN: WE KNOW WHAT WE KNOW WHICH GWEN: WE KNOW WHAT WE KNOW WHICH S THESE REPORTS THAT WERE S THESE REPORTS THAT WERE RELEASED BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT RELEASED BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO MEASURE THE IS THERE ANY WAY TO MEASURE THE NFLUENCE OF ALL OF THIS NFLUENCE OF ALL OF THIS UNDISCLOSED MONEY THIS WE KNOW UNDISCLOSED MONEY THIS WE KNOW IS OUT THERE AND INFLUENCING THE IS OUT THERE AND INFLUENCING THE PROCESS?
PROCESS?
> I ALWAYS TRY TO DESCRIBE IT > I ALWAYS TRY TO DESCRIBE IT LIKE AN ICEBERG THAT YOU CAN SEE LIKE AN ICEBERG THAT YOU CAN SEE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THE MOUNTAIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THE MOUNTAIN BUT E PEAK ABOVE THE WATER BUT E PEAK ABOVE THE WATER THERE'S A LOT UNDERWATER WE THERE'S A LOT UNDERWATER WE DON'T KNOW AND WE SEE GLIMPSES.
DON'T KNOW AND WE SEE GLIMPSES.
FOR PROSPERITY WAYS FOR PROSPERITY WAYS CONSERVATIVE ADVOCACY GROUP CONSERVATIVE ADVOCACY GROUP ACKED BY THE KOCHES AND OTHER ACKED BY THE KOCHES AND OTHER DONORS HAVE SPENT $34 MILLION DONORS HAVE SPENT $34 MILLION AGAINST VULNERABLE DEMOCRATS IN AGAINST VULNERABLE DEMOCRATS IN MID TERMS.
MID TERMS.
NONE OF THAT MONEY SHOWS UP IN NONE OF THAT MONEY SHOWS UP IN REPORTS SO THERE IS A BIG CHUNK REPORTS SO THERE IS A BIG CHUNK RIGHT THERE.
RIGHT THERE.
A NEW NONPROFIT A NEW NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION AFFILIATED WITH THE ORGANIZATION AFFILIATED WITH THE PARTNERS RK FREEDOM PARTNERS RK FREEDOM THAT IN THE LAST ELECTION ACTED THAT IN THE LAST ELECTION ACTED AS KIND OF A FUNDING SOURCE AS KIND OF A FUNDING SOURCE DIRECTLY ENGAGING DIRECTLY ENGAGING IN ADS AND THEY HAVE DROPPED IN ADS AND THEY HAVE DROPPED ADS.
THAN $1 MILLION ON ADS.
THAN $1 MILLION ON GWEN: WHEN YOU SAY ADS ARE ANY GWEN: WHEN YOU SAY ADS ARE ANY OF THEM LIKE THIS IS A GREAT GUY OF THEM LIKE THIS IS A GREAT GUY VOTE FOR THEM OR ALL VOTE FOR THEM OR ALL REALLY NEGATIVE EARLY ADS?
REALLY NEGATIVE EARLY ADS?
INCREASINGLY SOME INCREASINGLY SOME POSITIVE SPOTS BUT I THINK WHEN POSITIVE SPOTS BUT I THINK WHEN YOU TALK TO AD MAKERS YOU HEAR YOU TALK TO AD MAKERS YOU HEAR YOU GET MORE AY YOU GET MORE AY BANG FOR THE BUCK IF YOU TEAR BANG FOR THE BUCK IF YOU TEAR THE OTHER GUY DOWN SO I THINK WE THE OTHER GUY DOWN SO I THINK WE A PREPONDERANCE OF A PREPONDERANCE OF NEGATIVE ADS.
NEGATIVE ADS.
GWEN: AS WE MARK THE FIRST GWEN: AS WE MARK THE FIRST OF THE BEEN MARATHON BOMBING THIS WEEK WE HAD TO TAKE BOMBING THIS WEEK WE HAD TO TAKE N A FRESH EXAMPLE OF RANDOM N A FRESH EXAMPLE OF RANDOM DEADLY VIOLENCE THIS TIME AT TWO DEADLY VIOLENCE THIS TIME AT TWO JEWISH COMMUNITY SITES IN JEWISH COMMUNITY SITES IN KANSAS.
PARK, KANSAS.
PARK, GOOD LUCK TRYING TO FIND ANY GOOD LUCK TRYING TO FIND ANY FEDERAL OFFICIAL WHO WILL SAY FEDERAL OFFICIAL WHO WILL SAY HAPPENED AT THAT HAPPENED AT THAT FORT HOOD OR OKLAHOMA CITY OR FORT HOOD OR OKLAHOMA CITY OR ANYWHERE ON OUR SOIL ARE ANYWHERE ON OUR SOIL ARE TERRORISM.
TERRORISM.
KNOW.
KNOW.
I TRIED.
I TRIED.
THIS IS WHITE HOUSE THIS IS WHITE HOUSE COUNTERTERRORISM ADVISOR LISA COUNTERTERRORISM ADVISOR LISA ON THE NEWS HOUR LAST ON THE NEWS HOUR LAST NIGHT.
NIGHT.
WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS EXTREMISM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IS EXTREMISM IN ANY NUMBER OF FORMS AND IN ANY NUMBER OF FORMS AND IT IS NOT KWAOEPBD TO ANY ONE -- IT IS NOT KWAOEPBD TO ANY ONE -- TO ANY ONE TO ANY ONE COMMUNITY.
COMMUNITY.
TO ANY ONE NFINED TO ANY ONE NFINED INDIVIDUAL OF A PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL OF A PARTICULAR FAITH.
FAITH.
WE NEED TO RESPOND TO IT AND WE NEED TO RESPOND TO IT AND REGARDLESS OF FAITH, REGARDLESS OF FAITH, REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT IS REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT IS PRESENT.
PRESENT.
GWEN: WHEN WE HEAR A WHITE HOUSE GWEN: WHEN WE HEAR A WHITE HOUSE ANDCIAL TALK ABOUT VIOLENCE ANDCIAL TALK ABOUT VIOLENCE EXTREME NFL BUT NOT TERRORISM IS EXTREME NFL BUT NOT TERRORISM IS IT JUST LABELING?
IT JUST LABELING?
PARTLY LABELING BUT IF PARTLY LABELING BUT IF SOMETHING IS CLASSIFIED AS A SOMETHING IS CLASSIFIED AS A TERRORISM THEY CAN QUALIFY FOR TERRORISM THEY CAN QUALIFY FOR BENEFITS BUT IT IS TRUE BENEFITS BUT IT IS TRUE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TENDS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TENDS TO STICK TO A PRETTY STRICT STICK TO A PRETTY STRICT DEFINITION WHICH IS TERRORISM IS DEFINITION WHICH IS TERRORISM IS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE TO INTEND TO AN ACT OF VIOLENCE TO INTEND TO COERCE THE GOVERNMENT TO FURTHER COERCE THE GOVERNMENT TO FURTHER SOCIAL CAUSE.
SOCIAL CAUSE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IT MAY SURPRISE FOR EXAMPLE, IT MAY SURPRISE SOME PEOPLE THAT THE BORN SOME PEOPLE THAT THE BORN BOMBING IS BUSH THE BOMBING IS BUSH THE BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING IS NOT BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING IS NOT NO ORISM BECAUSE THERE ARE NO ORISM BECAUSE THERE ARE TERRORISM CHARGES FILED EVEN TERRORISM CHARGES FILED EVEN THOUGH PRESIDENT OBAMA DID CALL THOUGH PRESIDENT OBAMA DID CALL IT AN ACT OF TERROR.
IT AN ACT OF TERROR.
AS FOR THE SHOOTINGS IN KANSAS AS FOR THE SHOOTINGS IN KANSAS FACESHE MAN, THE SUSPECT, FACESHE MAN, THE SUSPECT, STATE CHARGES AND SOME FEDERAL STATE CHARGES AND SOME FEDERAL HARGES, BUT THEY ARE DESCRIBED HARGES, BUT THEY ARE DESCRIBED AS HATE CRIME CHARGES.
AS HATE CRIME CHARGES.
SO THIS ALL MAY SEEM RATHER SO THIS ALL MAY SEEM RATHER RAND RAND RANDOM.
RANDOM.
IN A LEGAL SENSE DESCRIBING IN IN A LEGAL SENSE DESCRIBING IN TERRORISM DOESN'T MATTER T. IS TERRORISM DOESN'T MATTER T. IS CHARGE IT.
CHARGE IT.
THE FACT IS IT STRIKES A LOT OF THE FACT IS IT STRIKES A LOT OF FORT HOOD DD THE FORT HOOD DD THE SHOOTING IN 2009 -- SHOOTING IN 2009 -- HAPPY TO CALL RE HAPPY TO CALL RE THAT TERRORISM.
THAT TERRORISM.
> NO, IT WAS NEVER FORMALLY > NO, IT WAS NEVER FORMALLY CALLED AN ACT OF TERRORISM BY CALLED AN ACT OF TERRORISM BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.
THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.
THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT IT THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT IT WORKPLACE VIOLENCE.
WORKPLACE VIOLENCE.
THE ONE THING WE CAN TAKE AWAY THE ONE THING WE CAN TAKE AWAY A M THIS WEEK IS IT IS A M THIS WEEK IS IT IS REMINDER THERE IS AN UNDERGROUND REMINDER THERE IS AN UNDERGROUND THIS LENT EXTREMISM IN THIS LENT EXTREMISM IN COUNTRY AWAY TEND TO FORGET COUNTRY AWAY TEND TO FORGET ABOUT BECAUSE WE FOCUS SO MUCH ABOUT BECAUSE WE FOCUS SO MUCH ON INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM.
ON INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM.
TO THE KANSAS TO THE KANSAS CITY SHOOTING, WHAT ISNGE WHETH CITY SHOOTING, WHAT ISNGE WHETH IN ADDITION TO STATE IN ADDITION TO STATE CHARGES AND WHAT KIND OF CHARGES CHARGES AND WHAT KIND OF CHARGES BE?LD THEY BE?LD THEY >> STATE FILED MURDER AND >> STATE FILED MURDER AND CAPITAL MURDER SO HE COULD FACE CAPITAL MURDER SO HE COULD FACE DEATH.
DEATH.
HE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS HE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS PURSUING CIVIL RIGHTS CHARGES PURSUING CIVIL RIGHTS CHARGES THAT CAN BE PUNISHED BY THE THAT CAN BE PUNISHED BY THE INTERFERING FOR INTERFERING FOR WITH SOMEBODY'S FEDERALLY WITH SOMEBODY'S FEDERALLY PROTECTED RIGHT OR FREEDOM OF PROTECTED RIGHT OR FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
RELIGION.
OF THE DAY WHEN -- OF THE DAY WHEN -- YOU CAN'T BE IN TWO COURTHOUSES YOU CAN'T BE IN TWO COURTHOUSES AT ONCE.
AT ONCE.
TO DECIDE.AVE TO DECIDE.AVE OFTEN THERE IS A CLEAR FEDERAL OFTEN THERE IS A CLEAR FEDERAL OR STATE INTEREST.
OR STATE INTEREST.
OU THINK OF THE SHOOTING OF OU THINK OF THE SHOOTING OF GABBY GIFFORDS.
GABBY GIFFORDS.
HERE IT IS NOT CLEAR.
HERE IT IS NOT CLEAR.
THEY WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHO THEY WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHO GOES FIRST.
GOES FIRST.
>> ONE OF THE BROTHERS >> ONE OF THE BROTHERS IMPLICATED IN THE BOSTON IMPLICATED IN THE BOSTON IS STILL ALIVE IN IS STILL ALIVE IN PRISON IN ISOLATION I GATHER PRISON IN ISOLATION I GATHER WAITING FOR TRIAL.
WAITING FOR TRIAL.
HIS DEFENSE?
HIS DEFENSE?
WHAT WILL THEY SAY IF IT COMES WHAT WILL THEY SAY IF IT COMES TO TRIAL IS HIS DEFENSE?
TO TRIAL IS HIS DEFENSE?
>> WE HAVE BEEN GETTING HINTS OF >> WE HAVE BEEN GETTING HINTS OF THIS IN THE COURT FILINGS AND I THIS IN THE COURT FILINGS AND I IN A CASE SO ALLY IN A CASE SO ALLY MANY ARE UNDER SEAL BUT HIS MANY ARE UNDER SEAL BUT HIS LAWYERS HAVE SUGGESTED THEY WILL LAWYERS HAVE SUGGESTED THEY WILL HIS OLDER THE AGE, HIS OLDER THE AGE, BROTHER WAS 26, HE WAS 19.
BROTHER WAS 26, HE WAS 19.
SIMILAR STRATEGY WE SAW IN THE SIMILAR STRATEGY WE SAW IN THE SNIPER CASE WHERE LEE SNIPER CASE WHERE LEE BOYD MALVO WAS ONLY 17 AND BOYD MALVO WAS ONLY 17 AND DEATH PENALTY AND DEATH PENALTY AND THE OLDER MAN WAS EXECUTED.
THE OLDER MAN WAS EXECUTED.
THEY WILL TALK ABOUT HIS FAMILY THEY WILL TALK ABOUT HIS FAMILY HIS OLDER THEM SAY HIS OLDER THEM SAY BROTHER WAS MUCH MORE INTO JIHAD BROTHER WAS MUCH MORE INTO JIHAD THAN HE WAS AND HE WAS DOMINATED THAN HE WAS AND HE WAS DOMINATED BROTHER.DER BROTHER.DER THAT IS THE SUGGESTION FROM WHAT THAT IS THE SUGGESTION FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR.
WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR.
>> THE TRIAL IS COMING UP.
>> THE TRIAL IS COMING UP.
ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE IT IN ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE IT IN BOSTON?
BOSTON?
>> THE TRIAL DATE IS NOVEMBER 3 >> THE TRIAL DATE IS NOVEMBER 3 HAS TO SAY BY HAS TO SAY BY MID JUNE WHETHER IT WILL SEEK A MID JUNE WHETHER IT WILL SEEK A HANGE OF VENUE AND THAT IS NOT HANGE OF VENUE AND THAT IS NOT EASY.
EASY.
ON THE ONE HAND YOU WOULD SAY ON THE ONE HAND YOU WOULD SAY YOU WANT TO MASTER IT OUT -- YOU WANT TO MASTER IT OUT -- TOUT OF THE CITY MOST MOST TOUT OF THE CITY MOST MOST BUT YOU ARE IN A BUT YOU ARE IN A CITY WHERE HE THIS DON'T FAVOR CITY WHERE HE THIS DON'T FAVOR THE DEATH BUT THEY WANT IT OVER THE DEATH BUT THEY WANT IT OVER AND MASSACHUSETTS DID WE AND MASSACHUSETTS DID WE WITH CAPITAL PUNISHMENT SO YOU WITH CAPITAL PUNISHMENT SO YOU IGHT GO TO A STATE WHERE THEY IGHT GO TO A STATE WHERE THEY LOOK ON DEATH PENALTY MORE LOOK ON DEATH PENALTY MORE KINDLY.
KINDLY.
GWEN: WHEN THESE SURFACE IT IS GWEN: WHEN THESE SURFACE IT IS CASE OF THE KANSAS SHOOTER CASE OF THE KANSAS SHOOTER IF HE WAS WELL KNOWN IN THE IF HE WAS WELL KNOWN IN THE THAT KEEP TRACK OF HATE THAT KEEP TRACK OF HATE SPEECH AND CRIME AND HE WAS SPEECH AND CRIME AND HE WAS THAT POSTER ON WEBSITES THAT POSTER ON WEBSITES FO FO FOE MEANT THIS.
FOE MEANT THIS.
IS NO WAY KNOWING THEY IS NO WAY KNOWING THEY EXIST BEFORE SPEECH TURNS TO EXIST BEFORE SPEECH TURNS TO ACTION?
ACTION?
>> NOT NUMBERS SEE AN INDICATOR >> NOT NUMBERS SEE AN INDICATOR THAT IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
THAT IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
OK TO SAY PEOPLE OK TO SAY PEOPLE OUGHT TO GO OUT AND SHOOT FOLKS OUGHT TO GO OUT AND SHOOT FOLKS BUT WYOMING, MY HOME STATE BUT WYOMING, MY HOME STATE THAT IS PROBABLY PROTECTED THAT IS PROBABLY PROTECTED SPEECH.
SPEECH.
SHOOT YOU SAY LET'S GO SHOOT YOU SAY LET'S GO SOMEBODY IN WYOMING THAT IS SOMEBODY IN WYOMING THAT IS INCITEMENT TO VIOLENCE SO IT IS INCITEMENT TO VIOLENCE SO IT IS KNOW WHEN G TO KNOW WHEN G TO SOMEBODY CROSSES THAT LIN.
SOMEBODY CROSSES THAT LIN.
HE HAD BEEN IN AND OUT OF COURTS HE HAD BEEN IN AND OUT OF COURTS BEEN WATCHED BUT YOU BEEN WATCHED BUT YOU NEVER KNOW.
NEVER KNOW.
GWEN: THANK YOU FOR THAT AND GWEN: THANK YOU FOR THAT AND THANKS.
THANKS.
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OF RAND PAUL.
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