>> KATHLEEN SEBELIUS, WOMEN'S PAY EQUITY.
PAY EQUITY.
2016 POLITICS AND THE CIVIL 2016 POLITICS AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS ANNIVERSARY.
RIGHTS ANNIVERSARY.
ALL TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON ALL TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
WEEK."
>> THIS IS THE MOST MEANINGFUL >> THIS IS THE MOST MEANINGFUL WORK I'VE EVER BEEN A PART OF.
WORK I'VE EVER BEEN A PART OF.
IN FACT, IT'S BEEN THE CAUSE OF IN FACT, IT'S BEEN THE CAUSE OF MY LE.IF MY LE.IF GW: OBENAMACARE'S CHIEF GW: OBENAMACARE'S CHIEF ARCHITECT RESIGNS WITH 7 ARCHITECT RESIGNS WITH 7 MILLION SIGN-UPS UNDER HER MILLION SIGN-UPS UNDER HER BELT, AND A TRAIL OF BELT, AND A TRAIL OF CONTROVERSY BEHIND HER.
CONTROVERSY BEHIND HER.
WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE PRESIDENT'S WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE PRESIDENT'S SIGNATURE DOMESTIC SIGNATURE DOMESTIC ACHIEVEMENT?
ACHIEVEMENT?
2016 HEATS UP WITH ALL 2016 HEATS UP WITH ALL EYES ON THE CLINTON EYES ON THE CLINTON AND THE BUSH DYNASTIES.
AND THE BUSH DYNASTIES.
>> WE HAD A BUSH, THEN WE HAD A >> WE HAD A BUSH, THEN WE HAD A CLINTON, THEN WE HAD A BUSH, CLINTON, THEN WE HAD A BUSH, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CLINTON?
CLINTON?
>> THE HARD QUESTIONS ARE NOT >> THE HARD QUESTIONS ARE NOT DO YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT, DO YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT, CAN YOU WIN?
CAN YOU WIN?
THE HARD QUESTIONS ARE WHY.
THE HARD QUESTIONS ARE WHY.
GWEN: THEN, TWO DISCUSSIONS ON GWEN: THEN, TWO DISCUSSIONS ON EQUALITY.
EQUALITY.
A WOMEN'S PAY EQUITY BILGOESL A WOMEN'S PAY EQUITY BILGOESL DOWN.
DOWN.
>> I SAY SQUARE YOUR SHOULDERS, >> I SAY SQUARE YOUR SHOULDERS, PUT YOUR LIPSTICK ON, AND LET'S PUT YOUR LIPSTICK ON, AND LET'S FIGHT ANOTHER DAY.
FIGHT ANOTHER DAY.
GWEN: AND THE PRESIDENS CLT'UB GWEN: AND THE PRESIDENS CLT'UB GATHERS AT THE L.B.J.
LIBRARY GATHERS AT THE L.B.J.
LIBRARY TO DISCUSS JOHNSON'S SIGNATURE TO DISCUSS JOHNSON'S SIGNATURE DOMESTIC ACHIEVEMENT 50 YEARS DOMESTIC ACHIEVEMENT 50 YEARS LATER.
LATER.
>> THE REAL INFLUENCE OF A >> THE REAL INFLUENCE OF A PRESIDENT IS NOT FOUND IN THE PRESIDENT IS NOT FOUND IN THE HEADLINES.
HEADLINES.
IT CAN ONLY BE JUDGED WITH IT CAN ONLY BE JUDGED WITH TIME.
TIME.
GWEN: COVERING THE WEEK, ALEX GWEN: COVERING THE WEEK, ALEX WAYNE OF BLOOMBERG NEWS, AMY WAYNE OF BLOOMBERG NEWS, AMY WALTER OF THE "COOPOLIK TICAL WALTER OF THE "COOPOLIK TICAL REPORT," ALEXIS SIMENDINGER OF REPORT," ALEXIS SIMENDINGER OF "REAL CLEAR POLITICS," AND "REAL CLEAR POLITICS," AND MICHAEL DUFFY OF "TIME" MICHAEL DUFFY OF "TIME" AGAZINE.
AGAZINE.
>> AWARD WINNING REPORTING AND >> AWARD WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS COVERING HISTORY AS IT ANALYSIS COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.
HAPPENS.
LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITOL, LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITOL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL.
ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
WITH THE EXIT OF HEALTH WITH THE EXIT OF HEALTH SECRETARY KATHLEEN SEBELIUS AND SECRETARY KATHLEEN SEBELIUS AND THE ARRIVAL OF HER NOMINATED THE ARRIVAL OF HER NOMINATED REPLACEMENT, SYLVIA MATTHEWS REPLACEMENT, SYLVIA MATTHEWS BURWELL, THE WHITE HOUSE SEES A BURWELL, THE WHITE HOUSE SEES A FRESH CHANCE TO PUSH AHEAD WITH FRESH CHANCE TO PUSH AHEAD WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF ITS HEALTH IMPLEMENTATION OF ITS HEALTH CARE LAW.
CARE LAW.
>> THERE ARE 7 1/2 MILLION >> THERE ARE 7 1/2 MILLION PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE THE SECURITY OF HEALTH HAVE THE SECURITY OF HEALTH INSURANCE, MOST OF THEM FOR THE INSURANCE, MOST OF THEM FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME, AND THAT'S VERY FIRST TIME, AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE WOMAN STANDING BECAUSE OF THE WOMAN STANDING NEXT TO ME HERE TODAY.
NEXT TO ME HERE TODAY.
AND WE ARE PROUD OF HER FOR AND WE ARE PROUD OF HER FOR THAT.
THAT.
GWEN: WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS GWEN: WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS INSISTED THAT SEBELIUS' EXIT INSISTED THAT SEBELIUS' EXIT WAS HER IDEA, AND THAT BURWELL WAS HER IDEA, AND THAT BURWELL WILL PICK UP WHERE SHE LEFT WILL PICK UP WHERE SHE LEFT OFF.
OFF.
IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE, IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE, ALEX?
ALEX?
>> I THINK SHE'S GOT SOME >> I THINK SHE'S GOT SOME CATCHING UP TO DO.
CATCHING UP TO DO.
SHE COMES TO A NEW AGENCY.
SHE COMES TO A NEW AGENCY.
SHE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF SHE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF HEALTH CARE EXPERIENCE IN HER HEALTH CARE EXPERIENCE IN HER PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND, PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND, ALTHOUGH SHE'S INVOLVED IN ALTHOUGH SHE'S INVOLVED IN THOSE ISSUES A LITTLE BIT AS A THOSE ISSUES A LITTLE BIT AS A WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL.
WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL.
BUT SHE HAS CATCHING UP TO DO.
BUT SHE HAS CATCHING UP TO DO.
SHE HAS TO MEET THE SHE HAS TO MEET THE CONSTITUENCY OF THE HOSPITALS, CONSTITUENCY OF THE HOSPITALS, INSURERS, ADVOCACY GROUPS AND INSURERS, ADVOCACY GROUPS AND ORDINARY AMERICANS INTERESTED ORDINARY AMERICANS INTERESTED IN THESE ISSUES.
IN THESE ISSUES.
SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME.
TIME.
IN THE MEANTIME, THE DEPARTMENT IN THE MEANTIME, THE DEPARTMENT IS GOING THROUGH THIS PHASE IS GOING THROUGH THIS PHASE WHERE THEY HAVE TO ACCEPT WHERE THEY HAVE TO ACCEPT FILINGS FROM INSURERS FOR RATES FILINGS FROM INSURERS FOR RATES NEXT YEAR.
NEXT YEAR.
IT'S A VERY DELICATE AND RATHER IT'S A VERY DELICATE AND RATHER CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE, AMMED THE CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE, AMMED THE DEPARTMENT'S LEADERSHIP MIGHT DEPARTMENT'S LEADERSHIP MIGHT BE IN TRANSITION WHILE IT'S BE IN TRANSITION WHILE IT'S HAPPENING.
HAPPENING.
GWEN: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GWEN: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT'S LEADERSHIP.
DEPARTMENT'S LEADERSHIP.
ONE, THERE IS AN OPEN KUO ONE, THERE IS AN OPEN KUO WHETHER KATHLEEN SEBELIUS WHETHER KATHLEEN SEBELIUS JUMPED OR WAS PUSHED OR WAS JUMPED OR WAS PUSHED OR WAS SLOW-MOTION JUMPED, I DON'T SLOW-MOTION JUMPED, I DON'T KNOW.
KNOW.
WHAT HAPPENED?
WHAT HAPPENED?
>> I THINK IT WAS BASICALLY A >> I THINK IT WAS BASICALLY A MUTUALLY AGREED-UPON MUTUALLY AGREED-UPON RESIGNATION.
RESIGNATION.
SHE'S BEEN WORKING VERY HARD SHE'S BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TRYING TO PROMOTE THIS LAW SORT TRYING TO PROMOTE THIS LAW SORT OF OUT IN PLACES LIKE TEXAS, OF OUT IN PLACES LIKE TEXAS, ARIZONA, FLORIDA, TENNESSEE.
ARIZONA, FLORIDA, TENNESSEE.
SHE'S BEEN TRAVELING ALMOST SHE'S BEEN TRAVELING ALMOST EVERY WEEK IT SEEMS FOR THE EVERY WEEK IT SEEMS FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS TRYING TO DRIVE LAST SIX MONTHS TRYING TO DRIVE ENROLLMENT AT THE GROUND LEVEL.
ENROLLMENT AT THE GROUND LEVEL.
IN THE MEANTIME HER CRITICS SAY IN THE MEANTIME HER CRITICS SAY SHE TOOK HER EYE OFF THE SHE TOOK HER EYE OFF THE FEDERAL EXCHANGE AND THE FEDERAL EXCHANGE AND THE WEBSITE COLLAPSED.
WEBSITE COLLAPSED.
THAT'S WHAT LED US TO THIS THAT'S WHAT LED US TO THIS POINT.
POINT.
BUT I THINK SHE'S ALSO PRETTY BUT I THINK SHE'S ALSO PRETTY TIRED OF THIS JOB.
TIRED OF THIS JOB.
SHE'S BEEN THERE FIVE YEARS AND SHE'S BEEN THERE FIVE YEARS AND SHE'S PUT A LOT OF WORK IN.
SHE'S PUT A LOT OF WORK IN.
SHE GOT TO THIS MAGIC SHE GOT TO THIS MAGIC ENROLLMENT FIGURE, 7.5 MILLION, ENROLLMENT FIGURE, 7.5 MILLION, SO SHE COULD LEAVE WITH A SO SHE COULD LEAVE WITH A FEATHER IN HER CAP.
FEATHER IN HER CAP.
I BELIEVE HER WHEN SHE SAID SHE I BELIEVE HER WHEN SHE SAID SHE CAME TO THE PRESIDENT AND CAME TO THE PRESIDENT AND RAISED THE IDEA.
RAISED THE IDEA.
I DOUBT THE PRESIDENT FOUGHT I DOUBT THE PRESIDENT FOUGHT HER VERY MUCH.
HER VERY MUCH.
GWEN: SHE SAW DAYLIGHT AND SHE GWEN: SHE SAW DAYLIGHT AND SHE DASHED FOR IT.
DASHED FOR IT.
>> SO SYLVIA STILL HAS TO GO >> SO SYLVIA STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH A CONFIRMATION PROCESS.
THROUGH A CONFIRMATION PROCESS.
TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.
THIS.
IT'S NOT AS IF -- I DON'T KNOW, IT'S NOT AS IF -- I DON'T KNOW, CONGRESS SEEMS A LITTLE CONGRESS SEEMS A LITTLE POLARIZE THE ON THESE ISSUES.
POLARIZE THE ON THESE ISSUES.
SO THE HEARINGS WILL PROBABLY SO THE HEARINGS WILL PROBABLY HAVE FIREWORKS.
HAVE FIREWORKS.
>> YES, BUT SHE SEEMS TO BE A >> YES, BUT SHE SEEMS TO BE A COOL CUSTOMER.
COOL CUSTOMER.
SEBELIUS WAS ABLE TO GO TO THE SEBELIUS WAS ABLE TO GO TO THE HEARINGS AND TAKE THE INCOMING HEARINGS AND TAKE THE INCOMING AND COOLEY RESPOND, AND SHE WAS AND COOLEY RESPOND, AND SHE WAS ABLE TO REBUT THEM.
ABLE TO REBUT THEM.
I EXBT BURWELL WILL BE ABLE TO I EXBT BURWELL WILL BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME.
DO THE SAME.
IT'S HARD FOR REPUBLICANS TO IT'S HARD FOR REPUBLICANS TO BLOCK HER FROM BEING CONFIRMED BLOCK HER FROM BEING CONFIRMED NOW.
NOW.
YOU ONLY NEED 51 VOTES.
YOU ONLY NEED 51 VOTES.
DEMOCRATS CAN DO IT WITHOUT ANY DEMOCRATS CAN DO IT WITHOUT ANY REPUBLICANS SUPPORT AT ALL AND REPUBLICANS SUPPORT AT ALL AND THEY CAN'T FILIBUSTER.
THEY CAN'T FILIBUSTER.
BUT THERE WILL BE FIREWORKS AND BUT THERE WILL BE FIREWORKS AND ONE MAJOR STEP MIGHT BE THE ONE MAJOR STEP MIGHT BE THE VETTING PROCESS.
VETTING PROCESS.
SHE HAS TO FILE FINANCIAL SHE HAS TO FILE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES, ETC.
DISCLOSURES, ETC.
THAT HAS DOOMED SECRETARIES FOR THAT HAS DOOMED SECRETARIES FOR THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT IN THE PAST.
DEPARTMENT IN THE PAST.
A GUY NAMED TOM DASCHLE.
A GUY NAMED TOM DASCHLE.
GWEN: SHE'S ALREADY BEEN GWEN: SHE'S ALREADY BEEN CONFIRMED IN ANOTHER HIGH-LEVEL CONFIRMED IN ANOTHER HIGH-LEVEL POSITION.
POSITION.
>> SHE HAS.
>> SHE HAS.
BUT THE PROCESS FOR SECRETARY BUT THE PROCESS FOR SECRETARY IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
>> ALEX, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE >> ALEX, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRESIDENT'S CHOICES THAT HE PRESIDENT'S CHOICES THAT HE COULD HAVE MADE TO SUCCEED COULD HAVE MADE TO SUCCEED SEBELIUS, WHAT IS IT THAT SEBELIUS, WHAT IS IT THAT ATTRACTED HIM, YOU KNOW, AT ATTRACTED HIM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST WHAT DID HE SAY ATTRACTED LEAST WHAT DID HE SAY ATTRACTED HIM TO SYLVIA?
HIM TO SYLVIA?
>> WELL, HE LIKES HER A LOT >> WELL, HE LIKES HER A LOT PERSONALLY, AND HE RESPECTS THE PERSONALLY, AND HE RESPECTS THE WORK SHE'S DONE AT THE OFFICE WORK SHE'S DONE AT THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.
OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.
USUALLY WITH A SECRETARY USUALLY WITH A SECRETARY POSITION LIKE THIS YOU CAN GO A POSITION LIKE THIS YOU CAN GO A COUPLE OF DIRECTIONS.
COUPLE OF DIRECTIONS.
YOU CAN GET A PROMINENT YOU CAN GET A PROMINENT POLITICIAN, OR YOU CAN GET SORT POLITICIAN, OR YOU CAN GET SORT OF A FUNCTIONARY, SOMEBODY OF A FUNCTIONARY, SOMEBODY WHO'S GOOD WITH NUMBERS, WHO'S GOOD WITH NUMBERS, SOMEBODY WHO'SOOD GAT SOMEBODY WHO'SOOD GAT MANAGEMENT.
MANAGEMENT.
IN THIS CASE HE WANTED SOMEBODY IN THIS CASE HE WANTED SOMEBODY WHO WOULD GO INTO THE WHO WOULD GO INTO THE DEPARTMENT AND MANAGE IT, PUT A DEPARTMENT AND MANAGE IT, PUT A TIGHT GRIP ON THE PEOPLE, FOR TIGHT GRIP ON THE PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE WHO, ARE BUILDING THE EXAMPLE WHO, ARE BUILDING THE WEBSITE.
WEBSITE.
GWEN: YOU RAISE AN INTERESTING GWEN: YOU RAISE AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
QUESTION.
YOU CAN'T FIX SOMETHING UNLESS YOU CAN'T FIX SOMETHING UNLESS YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT WENT YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT WENT WRONG.
WRONG.
AND THERE ARE MANY QUESTIONS AND THERE ARE MANY QUESTIONS STILL ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY WENT STILL ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY WENT WRONG.
WRONG.
WAS IT JUST THAT THE BOOMER WAS IT JUST THAT THE BOOMER SECRETARY DIDN'T GET PECKED OR SECRETARY DIDN'T GET PECKED OR GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENT RULES GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENT RULES MAKE IT HARD TO GET THE BEST MAKE IT HARD TO GET THE BEST PEOPLE?
PEOPLE?
IS THERE ANY AGREEMENT AT ALL IS THERE ANY AGREEMENT AT ALL ON WHAT REALLY MADE THIS THING ON WHAT REALLY MADE THIS THING BLOW UP?
BLOW UP?
>> IF WE SET ASIDE THE OBAMA >> IF WE SET ASIDE THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, WHICH I DON'T ADMINISTRATION, WHICH I DON'T THINK AGREED TO ANY OF THE THINK AGREED TO ANY OF THE THEORIES OUT THERE, YOU CAN PUT THEORIES OUT THERE, YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER A FEW THINGS.
TOGETHER A FEW THINGS.
ONE WAS THE LIMITATION THEY ONE WAS THE LIMITATION THEY SORT OF PUT ON THEMSELVES IN SORT OF PUT ON THEMSELVES IN SERMS OF SELECTING A SERMS OF SELECTING A CONTRACTOR.
CONTRACTOR.
THEY RULED OUT COMPANIES LIKE THEY RULED OUT COMPANIES LIKE GOOGLE OR -- I.B.M.
WAS GOOGLE OR -- I.B.M.
WAS ACTUALLY A POTENTIAL BIDDER.
ACTUALLY A POTENTIAL BIDDER.
UT SOME OF TECH COMPANIES WERE UT SOME OF TECH COMPANIES WERE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THIS CONTRACT.
NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THIS CONTRACT.
THEY LIMITED THEMSELVES THERE.
THEY LIMITED THEMSELVES THERE.
THEY DIDN'T HIRE A KEY THEY DIDN'T HIRE A KEY CONTRACTOR TO RUN THE PROJECT.
CONTRACTOR TO RUN THE PROJECT.
AND THEY MADE SOME POLICY AND THEY MADE SOME POLICY DECISIONS AT THE WHITE HOUSE DECISIONS AT THE WHITE HOUSE THAT CAUSED SOME PROBLEMS.
THAT CAUSED SOME PROBLEMS.
DURING THE 2012 ELECTION, THE DURING THE 2012 ELECTION, THE WHITE HOUSE DECIDED TO DELAY A WHITE HOUSE DECIDED TO DELAY A BUNCH OF REGULATIONS THAT WERE BUNCH OF REGULATIONS THAT WERE REALLY IMPORTANT TO FINISH WORK REALLY IMPORTANT TO FINISH WORK ON THE EXCHANGE.
ON THE EXCHANGE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT AND THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT THAT DELAY HAD SOMETHING THAT THAT DELAY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
TO DO WITH A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
GWEN: OF COURSE, THERE'S ALWAYS GWEN: OF COURSE, THERE'S ALWAYS POLITICS.
POLITICS.
I KNOW, SHOCKING TO HEAR, IT'S I KNOW, SHOCKING TO HEAR, IT'S MY SEGWAY.
MY SEGWAY.
I'VE RESISTED TALKING ABOUT I'VE RESISTED TALKING ABOUT 2016.
2016.
I ADMIT IT.
I ADMIT IT.
IT SEEMED TOO SOON, TOO IT SEEMED TOO SOON, TOO SPECULATIVE, TOO PAT.
SPECULATIVE, TOO PAT.
BUT THE TRUTH IS, WE CAN'T LOOK BUT THE TRUTH IS, WE CAN'T LOOK AWAY, CAN WE?
AWAY, CAN WE?
AND RECENTLY, WE'VE SEEN AND RECENTLY, WE'VE SEEN WHY.
WHY.
HILLARY CLINTON, WHO HAS BEEN HILLARY CLINTON, WHO HAS BEEN FLIRTING FOR A WHILE, AND JEB FLIRTING FOR A WHILE, AND JEB BUSH, WHOSE OWN MOTHER HAS SAID BUSH, WHOSE OWN MOTHER HAS SAID WE'VE HAD AN AWFUL LOT OF WE'VE HAD AN AWFUL LOT OF BUSHES AND CLINTONS LATELY.
BUSHES AND CLINTONS LATELY.
>> SO, I GET THE POINT, I GET >> SO, I GET THE POINT, I GET THE POINT, AND IT'S SOMETHING THE POINT, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'D HAVE THAT I'D HAVE TO -- IF I WAS TO RUN, I'D HAVE TO -- IF I WAS TO RUN, I'D HAVE TO OVERCOME THAT.
TO OVERCOME THAT.
SO WILL HILLARY BY THE WAY -- SO WILL HILLARY BY THE WAY -- LET'S KEEP THE SAME STANDARD LET'S KEEP THE SAME STANDARD FOR EVERYBODY.
FOR EVERYBODY.
>> I AM OBVIOUSLY FLATTERED AND >> I AM OBVIOUSLY FLATTERED AND DEEPLY HONORED TO HAVE PEOPLE DEEPLY HONORED TO HAVE PEOPLE ASK ME AND PEOPLE ENCOURAGE ME.
ASK ME AND PEOPLE ENCOURAGE ME.
AND I AM THINKING ABOUT IT.
AND I AM THINKING ABOUT IT.
BUT I AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO BUT I AM GOING TO CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE.
THINK ABOUT IT FOR A WHILE.
GWEN: SHOULD WE START TAKING GWEN: SHOULD WE START TAKING THEM BOTH SERIOUSLY, AMY?
THEM BOTH SERIOUSLY, AMY?
ONE OF THEM OR NEITHER OF THEM?
ONE OF THEM OR NEITHER OF THEM?
>> YES, WE HAVE T TAKE THEM >> YES, WE HAVE T TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY.
SERIOUSLY.
THEY'RE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.
THEY'RE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.
MORE IMPORTANT THEY'RE DONORS, MORE IMPORTANT THEY'RE DONORS, PARTY LEADERS, AND THEY'RE PARTY LEADERS, AND THEY'RE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.
TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.
WHAT I FIND FASCINATING IS THE WHAT I FIND FASCINATING IS THE FACT -- AND YOU SAW IT IN THESE FACT -- AND YOU SAW IT IN THESE CLIPS -- IS THAT WE'RE WATCHING CLIPS -- IS THAT WE'RE WATCHING THESE TWO HAVE A VERY PUBLIC THESE TWO HAVE A VERY PUBLIC SORT OF INTROSPECTION, RIGHT?
SORT OF INTROSPECTION, RIGHT?
THEY'RE HAVING THIS DEBATE FOR THEY'RE HAVING THIS DEBATE FOR ALL OF US TO SEE ABOUT THE PROS ALL OF US TO SEE ABOUT THE PROS AND CONS OF RUNNING FOR AND CONS OF RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT.
USUALLY IT'S WHEN YOU'RE USUALLY IT'S WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT A NEW JOB YOU THINKING ABOUT A NEW JOB YOU PUT THE PROS AND THE CONS DOWN.
PUT THE PROS AND THE CONS DOWN.
THEY'RE DOING THIS FOR US.
THEY'RE DOING THIS FOR US.
YOU HEARD OBVIOUSLY JEB BUSH, YOU HEARD OBVIOUSLY JEB BUSH, FOR ONE, TALKING ABOUT, GOSH, FOR ONE, TALKING ABOUT, GOSH, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF BUSHES THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF BUSHES AND CLINTONS, BUT HE TALKS AND CLINTONS, BUT HE TALKS ABOUT THE IMPACT ON HIS FAMILY, ABOUT THE IMPACT ON HIS FAMILY, ABOUT WANTING TO RUN THE KIND ABOUT WANTING TO RUN THE KIND OF CAMPAIGN WHERE HE DOESN'T OF CAMPAIGN WHERE HE DOESN'T GET CAUGHT IN THE VORTEX OF GET CAUGHT IN THE VORTEX OF MUD-SLINGING.
MUD-SLINGING.
HILLARY CLINTON IS SAYING, HILLARY CLINTON IS SAYING, GOSH, IT'S KIND OF UGLY OUT GOSH, IT'S KIND OF UGLY OUT THERE.
THERE.
GWEN: I REMEMBER THAT SAME GWEN: I REMEMBER THAT SAME SPEECH FROM SCOTT BROWN, WHO SPEECH FROM SCOTT BROWN, WHO ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK THAT HE IS ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK THAT HE IS RUNNING FOR THE SENATE, IN RUNNING FOR THE SENATE, IN SPITE OF ALL THESE TERRIBLE SPITE OF ALL THESE TERRIBLE THINGS.
THINGS.
IS IT JUST AN EXERCISE THE IS IT JUST AN EXERCISE THE CANDIDATES GO THROUGH, SO THEY CANDIDATES GO THROUGH, SO THEY CAN STRETCH THIS OUT AS LONG AS CAN STRETCH THIS OUT AS LONG AS POSSIBLEST POSSIBLEST >> BOTH SAY THEY WANT TO MAKE >> BOTH SAY THEY WANT TO MAKE THE DECISION THIS YEAR, AND THE DECISION THIS YEAR, AND THEY BOTH HAVE TO MAKE IT THIS THEY BOTH HAVE TO MAKE IT THIS YEAR.
YEAR.
WE KNOW THAT TO BE THE CASE.
WE KNOW THAT TO BE THE CASE.
IT DOESN'T REALLY SURPRISE ME, IT DOESN'T REALLY SURPRISE ME, THOUGH, THAT FOR THEM, THESE THOUGH, THAT FOR THEM, THESE ARE REAL CONCERNS, WHICH IS, ARE REAL CONCERNS, WHICH IS, HOW ON EARTH DO YOU, KNOWING HOW ON EARTH DO YOU, KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO, WANT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO, WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN, PUT TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN, PUT YOUR FAMILY THROUGH THIS AGAIN, YOUR FAMILY THROUGH THIS AGAIN, AND KNOWING FOR SOMEBODY LIKE AND KNOWING FOR SOMEBODY LIKE JEB BUSH, FOR EXAMPLE, HE JEB BUSH, FOR EXAMPLE, HE HASN'T BEEN ON THE BALLOT IN HASN'T BEEN ON THE BALLOT IN OVER 10 YEARS, THIS IS A VERY OVER 10 YEARS, THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT WORLD HE'S WALKING DIFFERENT WORLD HE'S WALKING INTO.
INTO.
IN 2002 WHEN IN 2002 WHEN BLACKBERRY, WE DIDN'T HAVE BLACKBERRY, WE DIDN'T HAVE TWITTER OR THE KIND OF 24/7 TWITTER OR THE KIND OF 24/7 MINUTE-BY-MINUTE CAMPAIGN MINUTE-BY-MINUTE CAMPAIGN COVERAGE.
COVERAGE.
IT'S DIFFERENT.
IT'S DIFFERENT.
>> AMY, YOU WERE MENTIONING THE >> AMY, YOU WERE MENTIONING THE GROUPS OR THE POURS THAT BE GROUPS OR THE POURS THAT BE THAT ARE URGING JEB BUSH, WHAT THAT ARE URGING JEB BUSH, WHAT DOES THAT REPRESENT TO THE RRP DOES THAT REPRESENT TO THE RRP PARTY WHEN THEY HAVE RAND PAUL PARTY WHEN THEY HAVE RAND PAUL OR CHRIS CHRISTIE?
OR CHRIS CHRISTIE?
>> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
>> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
HE'S OLD AND NEW.
HE'S OLD AND NEW.
HE'S VERY FAMILIAR TO THEM.
HE'S VERY FAMILIAR TO THEM.
THE ESTABLISHMENT LOVES HIM THE ESTABLISHMENT LOVES HIM BECAUSE THEY KNOW HIM AND THEY BECAUSE THEY KNOW HIM AND THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH HIM.
FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH HIM.
BUT HE ALSO DOES SOMETHING THAT BUT HE ALSO DOES SOMETHING THAT NOT A LOT OF THE OTHER NOT A LOT OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES CAN DO, WHO IS AN CANDIDATES CAN DO, WHO IS AN ESTABLISHMENT FIGURE, AND ESTABLISHMENT FIGURE, AND THAT'S REACH OUT TO A NEW GROUP THAT'S REACH OUT TO A NEW GROUP OF VOTERS.
OF VOTERS.
THAT'S REACHING OUT TO THAT'S REACHING OUT TO MINORITIES, SOMETHING THAT MINORITIES, SOMETHING THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE HAD A TOUGH REPUBLICANS HAVE HAD A TOUGH TIME DOING.
TIME DOING.
HE SPEAKS SPANISH FLUENTLY.
HE SPEAKS SPANISH FLUENTLY.
HE'S MARRIED TO A HE'S MARRIED TO A MEXICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN.
MEXICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN.
THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO TALKS THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO TALKS OPENLY ABOUT IMMIGRATION REFORM OPENLY ABOUT IMMIGRATION REFORM IN A WAY WE HEARD HIM THIS PAST IN A WAY WE HEARD HIM THIS PAST WEEK TALKING ABOUT IT NOT BEING WEEK TALKING ABOUT IT NOT BEING A FELONY, BUT AN ACT OF LOVE TO A FELONY, BUT AN ACT OF LOVE TO ACTUALLY TRY TO COME HERE ACTUALLY TRY TO COME HERE ILLEGALLY.
ILLEGALLY.
SO THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO CAN SO THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO CAN BROADEN THE BASE, EVEN THOUGH BROADEN THE BASE, EVEN THOUGH HE HAS THE NAME BUSH.
HE HAS THE NAME BUSH.
>> SO IS THE ELECTION OVER, OR >> SO IS THE ELECTION OVER, OR IS THERE A -- IS THERE A -- >> WE'RE ALL DONE.
>> WE'RE ALL DONE.
>> PARTICULARLY CLINTON.
>> PARTICULARLY CLINTON.
>> THIS IS WHAT'S FASCINATING.
>> THIS IS WHAT'S FASCINATING.
ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, YOU ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, YOU HAVE A LOT OF ESTABLISHMENT HAVE A LOT OF ESTABLISHMENT FIGURES COMING AND TELLING JEB FIGURES COMING AND TELLING JEB BUSH WE WANT YOU.
BUSH WE WANT YOU.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLLS OF IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLLS OF REPUBLICANS, HE'S NOT THE REPUBLICANS, HE'S NOT THE FRONTRUNNER IN THE WAY HILLARY FRONTRUNNER IN THE WAY HILLARY CLINTON IS THE FRONTRUNNER.
CLINTON IS THE FRONTRUNNER.
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS A VERY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS A VERY DEEP BENCH RIGHT NOW, AND NO DEEP BENCH RIGHT NOW, AND NO CLEAR FRONTRUNNER.
CLEAR FRONTRUNNER.
ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE YOU HAVE ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE YOU HAVE A CLEAR FRONTRUNNER AND THOUGH A CLEAR FRONTRUNNER AND THOUGH BENCH AND THAT'S THE PRESSURE BENCH AND THAT'S THE PRESSURE ON HILLARY CLINTON THAT'S ON HILLARY CLINTON THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE PRESSURE ON DIFFERENT FROM THE PRESSURE ON JEB, WHICH IS DEMOCRATS SAYING JEB, WHICH IS DEMOCRATS SAYING OH MY GOSH, IF YOU DON'T RUN, I OH MY GOSH, IF YOU DON'T RUN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN WIN DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN WIN WITHOUT YOU.
WITHOUT YOU.
GWEN: THE REPUBLICAN BENCH ARE GWEN: THE REPUBLICAN BENCH ARE PEOPLE WHO RAN LAST TIME AND PEOPLE WHO RAN LAST TIME AND MAYBE ONE OR TWO OTHERS, LIKE MAYBE ONE OR TWO OTHERS, LIKE RAND PAUL, WHO DID NOT RUN.
RAND PAUL, WHO DID NOT RUN.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE.
GWEN: WHO?
GWEN: WHO?
>> MARCO RUBIO, RAND PAUL, >> MARCO RUBIO, RAND PAUL, CHRIS CHRISTIE, SCOTT WALKER, CHRIS CHRISTIE, SCOTT WALKER, JEB BUSH.
JEB BUSH.
GWEN: OK, NEVER MIND.
GWEN: OK, NEVER MIND.
[LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] WHO'S ON THE DEMOCRATIC BENCH?
WHO'S ON THE DEMOCRATIC BENCH?
>> THE SITTING VICE PRESIDENT >> THE SITTING VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, WHICH OF THE UNITED STATES, WHICH USUALLY IS CONSIDERED, RIGHT, USUALLY IS CONSIDERED, RIGHT, THE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO TAKE THE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO TAKE THE TORCH.
THE TORCH.
BUT HE'S GOT HIS OWN BAG DAMAGE BUT HE'S GOT HIS OWN BAG DAMAGE AND HIS OWN ISSUES.
AND HIS OWN ISSUES.
HE'S NOT PARTICULARLY POPULAR.
HE'S NOT PARTICULARLY POPULAR.
THEN YOU GET PAST HIM AND YOU THEN YOU GET PAST HIM AND YOU START TO GO, WELL, OF COURSE.
START TO GO, WELL, OF COURSE.
CERTAINLY THERE ARE SOME WOMEN CERTAINLY THERE ARE SOME WOMEN IN THE MIX, SOMEBODY LIKE IN THE MIX, SOMEBODY LIKE ELIZABETH WARREN, A SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN, A SENATOR FROM MASSACHUSETTS.
FROM MASSACHUSETTS.
GOVERNOR MARTIN O'MALLEY FROM GOVERNOR MARTIN O'MALLEY FROM MARYLAND.
MARYLAND.
>> ANDREW CUOMO.
>> ANDREW CUOMO.
THEY THINK THEY CAN RUN FOR THEY THINK THEY CAN RUN FOR PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT.
>> THEY DO THINK SO, BUT -- >> THEY DO THINK SO, BUT -- GWEN: BUT THINGS CHANGE, YOU GWEN: BUT THINGS CHANGE, YOU KNOW?
KNOW?
AND THE THINGS WE THINK ARE AND THE THINGS WE THINK ARE TRUE TWO YEARS OUT CHANGE, NO?
TRUE TWO YEARS OUT CHANGE, NO?
>> YES, THEY DO, YOU'RE RIGHT.
>> YES, THEY DO, YOU'RE RIGHT.
GWEN: YOU GIVE ME ONE, I GIVE GWEN: YOU GIVE ME ONE, I GIVE YOU ONE.
YOU ONE.
WE MOVE ON AND WE'RE BOTH WRONG WE MOVE ON AND WE'RE BOTH WRONG IT TURNS OUT, THANK YOU, AMY.
IT TURNS OUT, THANK YOU, AMY.
THE PRESIDENCY HAS ITS POWER THE PRESIDENCY HAS ITS POWER AND ITS LIMITS.
AND ITS LIMITS.
IN A MOMENT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW PRESIDENTIAL POWER CHANGED HOW PRESIDENTIAL POWER CHANGED CIVIL RIGHTS LAW.
CIVIL RIGHTS LAW.
BUT THIS WEEK WHEN IT CAME TO BUT THIS WEEK WHEN IT CAME TO GENDER PAY EQUITY, THE GENDER PAY EQUITY, THE PRESIDENT'S POWER WAS LIMITED PRESIDENT'S POWER WAS LIMITED TO SIGNING EXECUTIVE ORDERS TO SIGNING EXECUTIVE ORDERS CALLING FOR TRANSPARENCY AND CALLING FOR TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR FEDERAL ACCOUNTABILITY FOR FEDERAL CONTRACTORS.
CONTRACTORS.
THE NEXT DAY, THE SENATE THE NEXT DAY, THE SENATE BLOCKED A MORE FAR-REACHING PAY BLOCKED A MORE FAR-REACHING PAY EQUITY BILL.
EQUITY BILL.
WAS THIS DEBATE REAL, FOR SHOW, WAS THIS DEBATE REAL, FOR SHOW, OR REALLY ABOUT SOMETHING OR REALLY ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE?
ELSE?
>> YOU KNOW, NONE O MADE ANY >> YOU KNOW, NONE O MADE ANY BONES ABOUT SAYING IT WAS ABOUT BONES ABOUT SAYING IT WAS ABOUT TURNING OUT DEMOCRATIC VOTERS TURNING OUT DEMOCRATIC VOTERS THAT WILL BE NEEDED IN A THAT WILL BE NEEDED IN A MID-TERM ELECTION WHEN MID-TERM ELECTION WHEN DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING PRESIDENT DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING PRESIDENT OBAMA, HAVE BEEN CANDID AND OBAMA, HAVE BEEN CANDID AND FORTHRIGHT ABOUT HOW THEY'RE FORTHRIGHT ABOUT HOW THEY'RE EXPECTING WHAT THE PRESIDENT EXPECTING WHAT THE PRESIDENT CALLS HIBERNATION AMONG THE CALLS HIBERNATION AMONG THE VOTERS THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO VOTERS THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO ACTUALLY TURN OUT IN NOVEMBER.
ACTUALLY TURN OUT IN NOVEMBER.
SO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT -- SO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT -- AND THIS IS A VERY OLD PLAYBOOK AND THIS IS A VERY OLD PLAYBOOK THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE PLAYED WITH THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE PLAYED WITH BEFORE.
BEFORE.
PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS PROSPERED PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS PROSPERED WITH THIS PLAYBOOK -- IS THAT WITH THIS PLAYBOOK -- IS THAT THEY NEED WOMEN VOTERS TO TURN THEY NEED WOMEN VOTERS TO TURN OUT AND SPECIFICALLY, THEY NEED OUT AND SPECIFICALLY, THEY NEED UNMARRIED WOMEN VOTERS.
UNMARRIED WOMEN VOTERS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT -- SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT -- GWEN: WHY IS THAT?
GWEN: WHY IS THAT?
WHAT IS IT ABOUT UNMARRIED WHAT IS IT ABOUT UNMARRIED WOMEN VOTERS?
WOMEN VOTERS?
THEY LEAN MORE HEAVILY THEY LEAN MORE HEAVILY DEMOCRATIC?
DEMOCRATIC?
>> IN THE LAST ELECTION WE HAD >> IN THE LAST ELECTION WE HAD 1/4 OF THE VOTERS WHO 1/4 OF THE VOTERS WHO PARTICIPATED WERE UNMARRIED PARTICIPATED WERE UNMARRIED WOMEN.
WOMEN.
AND 2/3 OF THEM WENT FOR THE AND 2/3 OF THEM WENT FOR THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE, BARACK DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE, BARACK OBAMA.
OBAMA.
SO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS, SO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS, WHERE CAN WE, AMONG YOUNG WHERE CAN WE, AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE, AMONG OUR GEMDRASK PEOPLE, AMONG OUR GEMDRASK WOMEN, AMONG MINORITIES -- WOMEN, AMONG MINORITIES -- DEMOGRAPHIC WOMEN, AMONG DEMOGRAPHIC WOMEN, AMONG MINORITIES, HOW CAN WE MINORITIES, HOW CAN WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO TURN OUT IN ENCOURAGE THEM TO TURN OUT IN WAYS THEY DID IN 2008 AND 2012 WAYS THEY DID IN 2008 AND 2012 FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA, BUT THEY FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA, BUT THEY MIGHT NOT BECAUSE HE'S NOT ON MIGHT NOT BECAUSE HE'S NOT ON THE BALLOT, OR THEY'RE THE BALLOT, OR THEY'RE DISCOURAGED ABOUT THE ECONOMY DISCOURAGED ABOUT THE ECONOMY OR DISCOURAGED ABOUT OR DISCOURAGED ABOUT WASHINGTON'S WAYS?
WASHINGTON'S WAYS?
SO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS SO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS THESE INGREDIENTS PAY EQUITY, THESE INGREDIENTS PAY EQUITY, FAIRNESS, THE IDEA OF CHILD FAIRNESS, THE IDEA OF CHILD CARE, HEALTH CARE.
CARE, HEALTH CARE.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE POLLSTERS ARE SAYING IF YOU MIX POLLSTERS ARE SAYING IF YOU MIX THE TWO INGREDIENTS, HEALTH THE TWO INGREDIENTS, HEALTH CARE AND PAY EQUITY, YOU CAN CARE AND PAY EQUITY, YOU CAN GET UNMARRIED WOMEN'S GET UNMARRIED WOMEN'S INTENSITY, THE INTENSITY OF INTENSITY, THE INTENSITY OF THEIR SUPPORT FOR DEMOCRATS.
THEIR SUPPORT FOR DEMOCRATS.
SO THERE WAS A PENDING BILL AND SO THERE WAS A PENDING BILL AND THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THROUGH THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THROUGH THE TURNSTILE AND EVERY SINGLE THE TURNSTILE AND EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN VOTED AGAINST IT.
REPUBLICAN VOTED AGAINST IT.
GWEN: SO IT'S AN ISSUE.
GWEN: SO IT'S AN ISSUE.
> IT'S AN ISSUE.
> IT'S AN ISSUE.
IS IT AN ISSUE FOR REPUBLICANS?
IS IT AN ISSUE FOR REPUBLICANS?
DO THEY SEE THIS AS AN SNISH DO THEY SEE THIS AS AN SNISH THEY SEE THIS BOTH ON THEY SEE THIS BOTH ON UNEMPLOYMENT EXTENSION, NOW ON UNEMPLOYMENT EXTENSION, NOW ON THIS ISSUE, MINIMUM WAGE THIS ISSUE, MINIMUM WAGE DEBATE, THEY SEEM MORE THAN DEBATE, THEY SEEM MORE THAN HAPPY TO SAY, GO FOR IT, HAPPY TO SAY, GO FOR IT, DEMOCRATS, SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO.
DEMOCRATS, SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO.
>> PART OF THE REBUTTAL FROM >> PART OF THE REBUTTAL FROM REPUBLICANS AND THE SENATE IN REPUBLICANS AND THE SENATE IN PARTICULAR, WAS THAT THIS WAS A PARTICULAR, WAS THAT THIS WAS A SHOW, THAT THIS WAS PART OF SHOW, THAT THIS WAS PART OF POLITICAL THEATER AND THEY DID POLITICAL THEATER AND THEY DID A PREBUTTAL ABOUT THIS VOTE.
A PREBUTTAL ABOUT THIS VOTE.
THEY SAID HARRY REID WAS THEY SAID HARRY REID WAS STAGING THIS IN ORDER TO STAKE STAGING THIS IN ORDER TO STAKE A CLAIM FOR DEMOCRATS TO APPEAL A CLAIM FOR DEMOCRATS TO APPEAL TO WOMEN.
TO WOMEN.
BUT REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING, BUT REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING, LOOK, WE HAVE AN ADDENDUM, TOO, LOOK, WE HAVE AN ADDENDUM, TOO, THAT WE ARE AGAINST THAT WE ARE AGAINST DISCRIMINATION AND COMPENSATION DISCRIMINATION AND COMPENSATION AND WE WANT TO HELP WOMEN IN AND WE WANT TO HELP WOMEN IN THE WORKPLACE THROUGH THE WORKPLACE THROUGH FLEXIBILITY AND THROUGH FLEXIBILITY AND THROUGH EMPLOYER-PROVIDED BENEFITS.
EMPLOYER-PROVIDED BENEFITS.
WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.
WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THEY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO MANDATE THAT DON'T WANT TO MANDATE THAT EMPLOYERS DO CERTAIN THINGS.
EMPLOYERS DO CERTAIN THINGS.
>> REPUBLICANS DON'T SEEM TO BE >> REPUBLICANS DON'T SEEM TO BE VERY SCARED OF THIS ISSUE.
VERY SCARED OF THIS ISSUE.
WHY DOES THE WHITE HOUSE THINK WHY DOES THE WHITE HOUSE THINK THAT A FAILED SENATE VOTE IS THAT A FAILED SENATE VOTE IS GOING TO GET VOTERS OUT TO THE GOING TO GET VOTERS OUT TO THE POLLS?
POLLS?
>> WELL, IF YOU LISTEN TO THE >> WELL, IF YOU LISTEN TO THE PRESIDENT AS THE LEADER OF THE PRESIDENT AS THE LEADER OF THE PARTY, WHETHER HE'S TALKING AT PARTY, WHETHER HE'S TALKING AT FUNDRAISERS OR IN A SPEECH, FUNDRAISERS OR IN A SPEECH, TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION, WHAT HE'S SAYING LEGISLATION, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY IS IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY REPUBLICANS ARE TO SAY REPUBLICANS ARE HARD-HEARTED, MEAN PEOPLE, WHO HARD-HEARTED, MEAN PEOPLE, WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT WOMEN, WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT WOMEN, WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT SINGLE WOMEN DON'T CARE ABOUT SINGLE WOMEN TRYING TO RAISE A FAMILY AND TRYING TO RAISE A FAMILY AND HE'S USING IT VERY MUCH AS A HE'S USING IT VERY MUCH AS A POLITICAL BLUDGEON.
POLITICAL BLUDGEON.
WHETHER OR NOT VOTERS KNOW WHETHER OR NOT VOTERS KNOW ABOUT THE VOTE ITSELF, IT GIVES ABOUT THE VOTE ITSELF, IT GIVES THEM A CHANCE TO SAY NO THEM A CHANCE TO SAY NO REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR THIS OR REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR THIS OR THEY'RE OPPOSED TO THIS OR THE THEY'RE OPPOSED TO THIS OR THE PAUL RYAN HOUSE PASSED BUDGET PAUL RYAN HOUSE PASSED BUDGET BY THE REPUBLICANS IS THE MEAN BY THE REPUBLICANS IS THE MEAN SANDWICH, THE MEAN NHL WICH.
SANDWICH, THE MEAN NHL WICH.
>> THERE IS A VERY FAMOUS >> THERE IS A VERY FAMOUS MOMENT WITH IT PRESIDENT TALKED MOMENT WITH IT PRESIDENT TALKED ABOUT USING IN THE STATE OF THE ABOUT USING IN THE STATE OF THE UNION, THESE EXECUTIVE ORDERS, UNION, THESE EXECUTIVE ORDERS, NO MATTER HOW FAR HAN RANGING NO MATTER HOW FAR HAN RANGING THEY ARE NOT, ARE AN EXAMPLE OF THEY ARE NOT, ARE AN EXAMPLE OF THE PEN?
THE PEN?
>> THE PRESIDENT SAID, LOOK, >> THE PRESIDENT SAID, LOOK, THE SENATE HAS THIS VOTE AND THE SENATE HAS THIS VOTE AND I'M GOING TO SHOW WHAT I CAN DO I'M GOING TO SHOW WHAT I CAN DO ON MY OWN.
ON MY OWN.
THAT WAS PART OF THE PEN, THE THAT WAS PART OF THE PEN, THE EXECUTIVE, VERY COORDINATED EXECUTIVE, VERY COORDINATED EXECUTIVE ACTION.
EXECUTIVE ACTION.
IT WAS AN ORDER THAT DEALS WITH IT WAS AN ORDER THAT DEALS WITH CONTRACTORS AND A MEMORANDUM CONTRACTORS AND A MEMORANDUM THAT DEALS WITH THAT DEALS WITH INFORMATION-GATHERING THAT GOES INFORMATION-GATHERING THAT GOES INTO THE GOVERNMENT.
INTO THE GOVERNMENT.
THE PRESIDENT SAID THIS CAN THE PRESIDENT SAID THIS CAN ONLY GO SO FAR, BUT I WANT TO ONLY GO SO FAR, BUT I WANT TO DO MY PART AND PEOPLE SAY THAT DO MY PART AND PEOPLE SAY THAT -- LOTS OF PEOPLE AGREE THAT -- LOTS OF PEOPLE AGREE THAT THROUGH ATTACKING THIS PROBLEM THROUGH ATTACKING THIS PROBLEM THROUGH CONTRACTING DOES HAVE THROUGH CONTRACTING DOES HAVE AN EFFECT.
AN EFFECT.
IT SETS AN EXAMPLE.
IT SETS AN EXAMPLE.
AND THAT IT CAN SPREAD.
AND THAT IT CAN SPREAD.
GWEN: WELL, AT LEAST THAT'S GWEN: WELL, AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE COUNTING ON.
WHAT THEY'RE COUNTING ON.
WE'LL SEE IF IT WORKS.
WE'LL SEE IF IT WORKS.
MOST OF THE SURVIVING MOST OF THE SURVIVING MEMBERS OF THE PRESIDENT'S CLUB MEMBERS OF THE PRESIDENT'S CLUB MET, IN SERIAL FASHION, AT THE MET, IN SERIAL FASHION, AT THE L.B.J.
LIBRARY THIS WEEK.
L.B.J.
LIBRARY THIS WEEK.
ONE AFTER THE OTHER, PRESIDENTS ONE AFTER THE OTHER, PRESIDENTS JIMMY CARTER, BILL CLINTON, JIMMY CARTER, BILL CLINTON, BARACK OBAMA AND GEORGE W. BUSH BARACK OBAMA AND GEORGE W. BUSH TOOK TURNS PRAISING THE TOOK TURNS PRAISING THE PRESIDENCY OF LYNDON B. JOHNSON PRESIDENCY OF LYNDON B. JOHNSON AND THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE AND THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964.
CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964.
ONE STRIKING THING THESE MEN ONE STRIKING THING THESE MEN HAVE IN COMMON -- AN HAVE IN COMMON -- AN APPRECIATION OF JUST HOW HARD APPRECIATION OF JUST HOW HARD IT IS TO GET BIG THINGS IT IS TO GET BIG THINGS DONE.
DONE.
EARLIER TODAY I SPOKE WITH EARLIER TODAY I SPOKE WITH "TIME" MAGAZINE'S MICHAEL DUFFY "TIME" MAGAZINE'S MICHAEL DUFFY ABOUT PRESIDENT OBAMA'S ABOUT PRESIDENT OBAMA'S REVEALING SPEECH.
REVEALING SPEECH.
>> THOSE OF US WHO HAVE HAD THE >> THOSE OF US WHO HAVE HAD THE SINGULAR PRIVILEGE TO HOLD THE SINGULAR PRIVILEGE TO HOLD THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY KNOW OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY KNOW WELL THAT PROGRESS CAN BE HARD WELL THAT PROGRESS CAN BE HARD AND IT CAN BE SLOW.
AND IT CAN BE SLOW.
FRUSTRATING AND SOMETIMES FRUSTRATING AND SOMETIMES STYMIED, THE OFFICE HUMBLES STYMIED, THE OFFICE HUMBLES YOU.
YOU.
YOU'RE REMINDED DAILY THAT IN YOU'RE REMINDED DAILY THAT IN THIS GREAT DEMOCRACY YOU ARE THIS GREAT DEMOCRACY YOU ARE BUT A RELAY SWIMMER IN THE BUT A RELAY SWIMMER IN THE CURRENTS OF HISTORY, BOUND BY CURRENTS OF HISTORY, BOUND BY DECISIONS OF THOSE WHO CAME DECISIONS OF THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE, RELIANT ON THE EFFORTS BEFORE, RELIANT ON THE EFFORTS OF THOSE WHO WILL FOLLOW TO OF THOSE WHO WILL FOLLOW TO FULLY VINDICATE YOUR FULLY VINDICATE YOUR ISION.
ISION.
GWEN: MICHAEL DUFFY, THE AUTHOR GWEN: MICHAEL DUFFY, THE AUTHOR OF "THE PRESIDENT'S CLUB," OF "THE PRESIDENT'S CLUB," JOINS ME NOW.
JOINS ME NOW.
FOR ANY PRESIDENT, IT'S ALL FOR ANY PRESIDENT, IT'S ALL ABOUT VINDICATING YOUR VISION, ABOUT VINDICATING YOUR VISION, ISN'T IT?
ISN'T IT?
>> THERE'S ALWAYS TIME FOR >> THERE'S ALWAYS TIME FOR ANOTHER COAT OF PAINT, EVEN ANOTHER COAT OF PAINT, EVEN AFTER YOU'VE LEFT THE WHITE AFTER YOU'VE LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE.
HOUSE.
WHEN FOUR PRESIDENTS GOT WHEN FOUR PRESIDENTS GOT TOGETHER THIS WEEK IN PIECES, TOGETHER THIS WEEK IN PIECES, IN DEFENDANT ORDER TO GO TO THE IN DEFENDANT ORDER TO GO TO THE JOHNSON LIBRARY, THEY ALL HAD A JOHNSON LIBRARY, THEY ALL HAD A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT STORY, A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT STORY, A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TAKE.
SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TAKE.
PRESIDENT BUSH TALKED ABOUT PRESIDENT BUSH TALKED ABOUT EDUCATION, BUT PRESIDENT OBAMA EDUCATION, BUT PRESIDENT OBAMA TALKED ABOUT LYNDON JOHNSON AND TALKED ABOUT LYNDON JOHNSON AND CIVIL RIGHTS AND RACE, BUT HE CIVIL RIGHTS AND RACE, BUT HE ALSO TALKED ABOUT POWER AND THE ALSO TALKED ABOUT POWER AND THE PRESIDENCY, ITS USES, ITS PRESIDENCY, ITS USES, ITS OPPORTUNITIES AND ITS OPPORTUNITIES AND ITS PUNISHMENTS.
PUNISHMENTS.
GWEN: HE QUOTED LYNDON JOHNSON GWEN: HE QUOTED LYNDON JOHNSON SAYING, "WHAT THE HELL IS THE SAYING, "WHAT THE HELL IS THE PRESIDENCY FOR, IF NOT TO PRESIDENCY FOR, IF NOT TO ACCOMPLISH BIG THINGS?"
ACCOMPLISH BIG THINGS?"
>> YOU CAN READ PRESIDENT >> YOU CAN READ PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SPEECH AS A REALLY GOOD OBAMA'S SPEECH AS A REALLY GOOD HISTORICAL ANALYSIS OF THE HISTORICAL ANALYSIS OF THE GREAT SOCIETY AND LYNDON GREAT SOCIETY AND LYNDON JOHNSON'S STRUGGLES WITH HIS JOHNSON'S STRUGGLES WITH HIS OWN PARTY AND CIVIL RIGHTS.
OWN PARTY AND CIVIL RIGHTS.
BUT YOU COULD ALSO READ IT AS A BUT YOU COULD ALSO READ IT AS A PRETTY REVEALING DEFENSE BY PRETTY REVEALING DEFENSE BY PRESIDENT OBAMA OF HIS PRESIDENT OBAMA OF HIS PRESIDENCY, HIS DECISION TO PRESIDENCY, HIS DECISION TO SEIZE THE MOMENT AND DO HEALTH SEIZE THE MOMENT AND DO HEALTH CARE EARLY IN HIS PRESIDENCY, CARE EARLY IN HIS PRESIDENCY, AS WELL AS HIS DECISIONS NOW AS AS WELL AS HIS DECISIONS NOW AS HIS SECOND TERM REALLY REACHES HIS SECOND TERM REALLY REACHES THE MIDPOINT TO DO EXECUTIVE THE MIDPOINT TO DO EXECUTIVE ACTIONS ON THINGS LIKE ACTIONS ON THINGS LIKE IMMIGRATION, CRIMINAL JUSTICE, IMMIGRATION, CRIMINAL JUSTICE, GUNS, BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE CAN'T GUNS, BECAUSE HE KNOWS HE CAN'T GET OTHER THINGS DONE GET OTHER THINGS DONE LEGISLATIVELY.
LEGISLATIVELY.
WHEN HE ASKS, WHAT THE HELL IS WHEN HE ASKS, WHAT THE HELL IS THE PRESIDENCY FOR IN LYNDON THE PRESIDENCY FOR IN LYNDON JOHNSON'S WORDS, HE'S ALSO JOHNSON'S WORDS, HE'S ALSO ASKING ABOUT HIS OWN TERM.
ASKING ABOUT HIS OWN TERM.
GWEN: IT'S INTERESTING TO LOOK GWEN: IT'S INTERESTING TO LOOK AT ALL THE PRESIDENTS THAT WERE AT ALL THE PRESIDENTS THAT WERE THERE.
THERE.
LYNDON JOHNSON CAME OUT OF THE LYNDON JOHNSON CAME OUT OF THE BOX ON CIVIL RIGHT.
BOX ON CIVIL RIGHT.
FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA, HE CAME FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA, HE CAME OUT OF THE BOX ON HEALTH CARE OUT OF THE BOX ON HEALTH CARE AND, OF COURSE, THE ECONOMY GOT AND, OF COURSE, THE ECONOMY GOT IN THE WAY, TOO.
IN THE WAY, TOO.
BUT -- AND IN THE CASE OF BUT -- AND IN THE CASE OF GEORGE W. BUSH HE CAME OUT OF GEORGE W. BUSH HE CAME OUT OF THE BOX ON WAR IN SOME THE BOX ON WAR IN SOME RESPECTS, THINGS THAT HE HAD TO RESPECTS, THINGS THAT HE HAD TO ACCOMPLISH.
ACCOMPLISH.
THERE'S A CONNECTION BETWEEN THERE'S A CONNECTION BETWEEN THEM THAT'S MORE SIMILAR THAN THEM THAT'S MORE SIMILAR THAN ONE WOULD THINK.
ONE WOULD THINK.
>> THEY ALL HAVE HAD BIG >> THEY ALL HAVE HAD BIG STRUGGLES IN THEIR FIRST TERMS STRUGGLES IN THEIR FIRST TERMS AND SOMETIMES UNCERTAINTIES IN AND SOMETIMES UNCERTAINTIES IN THEIR SECOND TERMS, IF THEY GET THEIR SECOND TERMS, IF THEY GET THEM.
THEM.
PRESIDENT OBAMA ALSO NOTEED PRESIDENT OBAMA ALSO NOTEED THAT EACH PRESIDENCY IS THE THAT EACH PRESIDENCY IS THE WORK OF NOT JUST ONE MAN, BUT WORK OF NOT JUST ONE MAN, BUT OF MULTIPLE PRESIDENCIES.
OF MULTIPLE PRESIDENCIES.
IT TOOK PRESIDENT CLINTON TO IT TOOK PRESIDENT CLINTON TO START HEALTH CARE, PRESIDENT START HEALTH CARE, PRESIDENT OBAMA TO FINISH IT.
OBAMA TO FINISH IT.
IT TOOK HARRY TRUMAN TO START IT TOOK HARRY TRUMAN TO START MEDICARE AND LYNDON JOHNSON TO MEDICARE AND LYNDON JOHNSON TO FINISH IT.
FINISH IT.
THESE WORKS TAKE DECADES.
THESE WORKS TAKE DECADES.
PRESIDENTS OF DIFFERENT PRESIDENTS OF DIFFERENT PARTIES.
PARTIES.
AND HE SAID WE'RE JUST RELAY AND HE SAID WE'RE JUST RELAY SWIMMERS IN A GREAT CURRENT OF SWIMMERS IN A GREAT CURRENT OF HISTORY.
HISTORY.
WHENEVER A PRESIDENT SPEAKS IN WHENEVER A PRESIDENT SPEAKS IN ANOTHER PRESIDENT'S LIBRARY, ANOTHER PRESIDENT'S LIBRARY, THEY ARE MINDFUL OF THE THEY ARE MINDFUL OF THE HISTORY.
HISTORY.
GWEN: JOHN F. KENNEDY STARTED GWEN: JOHN F. KENNEDY STARTED CIVIL RIGHTS AND LYNDON JOHNSON CIVIL RIGHTS AND LYNDON JOHNSON FINISHED PART OF IT.
FINISHED PART OF IT.
BUT HE WASN'T THE LAST BUT HE WASN'T THE LAST PRESIDENT TO HAVE TO SPEAK TO PRESIDENT TO HAVE TO SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE.
THAT ISSUE.
>> OH, NO.
>> OH, NO.
NOR IS IT OVER NOW.
NOR IS IT OVER NOW.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID.
PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID.
OTHERS FOLLOWED.
OTHERS FOLLOWED.
IT'S A CONTINUING STRUGGLE AND IT'S A CONTINUING STRUGGLE AND A CONTINUING CAMPAIGN THAT A CONTINUING CAMPAIGN THAT OTHER PRESIDENTS WHO FOLLOW OTHER PRESIDENTS WHO FOLLOW PRESIDENT OBAMA WILL HAVE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA WILL HAVE TO PICK UP AT THE TIME AND SWIM PICK UP AT THE TIME AND SWIM WITH.
WITH.
GWEN: IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING GWEN: IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME TO HEAR GEORGE W. BUSH TO ME TO HEAR GEORGE W. BUSH TALK, SOMETHING HE SAID BEFORE, TALK, SOMETHING HE SAID BEFORE, IT TAKES TIME BEFORE PEOPLE IT TAKES TIME BEFORE PEOPLE BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND A BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND A PRESIDENT'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
PRESIDENT'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
>> HE'S BETTING ON IT.
>> HE'S BETTING ON IT.
HE FEELS VERY CONFIDENT THAT HE FEELS VERY CONFIDENT THAT HISTORY WILL REDEEM HIM.
HISTORY WILL REDEEM HIM.
HE'S TOLD HIS FRIENDS THAT.
HE'S TOLD HIS FRIENDS THAT.
HE'S NOT IN ANY HURRY TO PROVE HE'S NOT IN ANY HURRY TO PROVE IT.
IT.
OTHER PRESIDENTS COME, I GUESS, OTHER PRESIDENTS COME, I GUESS, INTO RETIREMENT WITH LOTS OF INTO RETIREMENT WITH LOTS OF YEARS AHEAD OF THEM AND BEGIN YEARS AHEAD OF THEM AND BEGIN LONG CAMPAIGNS TO MAKE SURE LONG CAMPAIGNS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HISTORIANS GET IT THAT THE HISTORIANS GET IT RIGHT.
RIGHT.
THAT TENDS TO BE MORE TYPICAL.
THAT TENDS TO BE MORE TYPICAL.
GEORGE W. BUSH IS A LITTLE MORE GEORGE W. BUSH IS A LITTLE MORE UNUSUAL.
UNUSUAL.
GWEN: LISTENING TO PRESIDENT GWEN: LISTENING TO PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SPEECH, DID IT SOUND OBAMA'S SPEECH, DID IT SOUND LIKE RUMINATIONS OF A LIKE RUMINATIONS OF A SECOND-TERM PRESIDENT TO YOU?
SECOND-TERM PRESIDENT TO YOU?
>> IT SOUNDED LIKE SOMEONE WHO >> IT SOUNDED LIKE SOMEONE WHO HAS NOW APPRECIATED BOTH THE HAS NOW APPRECIATED BOTH THE POSSIBILITIES AND OPPORTUNITIES POSSIBILITIES AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THIS OFFICE AS WELL AS ITS OF THIS OFFICE AS WELL AS ITS DIFFICULTIES.
DIFFICULTIES.
HE SAID SOMETIMES PROGRESS IS HE SAID SOMETIMES PROGRESS IS SLOW.
SLOW.
HE SAID IT'S A FRUSTRATING JOB.
HE SAID IT'S A FRUSTRATING JOB.
HE SAID YOU GET USED TO BEING HE SAID YOU GET USED TO BEING STYMIED AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE STYMIED AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO FALL BACK ON THE FACT THAT TO FALL BACK ON THE FACT THAT YOU CAN GO DOWN THE HALL AND YOU CAN GO DOWN THE HALL AND LOOK AT THE OTHER PRESIDENTS LOOK AT THE OTHER PRESIDENTS WHO CAME BEFORE YOU AND SEE WHO CAME BEFORE YOU AND SEE THAT OVER TIME EVENTUALLY THEY, THAT OVER TIME EVENTUALLY THEY, TOO, WERE APPRECIATED.
TOO, WERE APPRECIATED.
GWEN: AND HE CAME BACK AROUND GWEN: AND HE CAME BACK AROUND TODAY IN TALKING ABOUT TODAY IN TALKING ABOUT SECRETARY SEBELIUS AND TALKING SECRETARY SEBELIUS AND TALKING ABOUT THEIR BUMPS AND BRUISES ABOUT THEIR BUMPS AND BRUISES THAT THEY BOTH SUFFERED AND HE THAT THEY BOTH SUFFERED AND HE COULD HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT COULD HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HIS ENTIRE PRESIDENCY.
HIS ENTIRE PRESIDENCY.
>> SPEECHES LIKE THIS ONE IS IN >> SPEECHES LIKE THIS ONE IS IN ADDITION TO BEING ABOUT BIG ADDITION TO BEING ABOUT BIG ISSUES LIKE RACE AND POWER.
ISSUES LIKE RACE AND POWER.
IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE HUMAN IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE HUMAN ELEMENTS OF JUST HAVING THIS ELEMENTS OF JUST HAVING THIS JOB AND WHAT IT DOES TO YOU AND JOB AND WHAT IT DOES TO YOU AND THE SCARS AND BRUISES IT LEAVES THE SCARS AND BRUISES IT LEAVES ON YOUR BACK.
ON YOUR BACK.
AND AS PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS AND AS PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS STAYED LONGER, WE HEAR MORE STAYED LONGER, WE HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT AND THAT'S KIND OF ABOUT THAT AND THAT'S KIND OF GOOD FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW, GOOD FOR EVERYBODY TO KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THIS POLITICAL ESPECIALLY IN THIS POLITICAL AGE.
AGE.
GWEN: ESPECIALLY FROM OUR GWEN: ESPECIALLY FROM OUR FORMER PRESIDENTS.
FORMER PRESIDENTS.
MICHAEL DUFFY, THANKS A LOT.
MICHAEL DUFFY, THANKS A LOT.
>> YOU BET.
>> YOU BET.
AND THANKS TO EVERYONE HERE AT AND THANKS TO EVERYONE HERE AT THE TABLE.
THE TABLE.
WE HAVE TO LEAVE YOU FOR NOW, WE HAVE TO LEAVE YOU FOR NOW, BUT THE CONVERSATION CONTINUES BUT THE CONVERSATION CONTINUES ONLINE, ON THE "WASHINGTON ONLINE, ON THE "WASHINGTON WEEK" WEBCAST EXTRA, STREAMING WEEK" WEBCAST EXTRA, STREAMING LIVE AT 8:30 EASTERN TIME, AND LIVE AT 8:30 EASTERN TIME, AND ALL WEEK LONG AT ALL WEEK LONG AT BS.ORG/WASHINGTONWEEK.
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WE'LL CHAT, AMONG OTHER THINGS, WE'LL CHAT, AMONG OTHER THINGS, ABOUT HOW MEDICARE PAID ABOUT HOW MEDICARE PAID MILLIONS TO SOME DOCTORS AND MILLIONS TO SOME DOCTORS AND RIY WE'RE JUST NOW HEANG RIY WE'RE JUST NOW HEANG ABOUT IT.
ABOUT IT.
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