The Ethics of Whistle-Blowing; Jordan, The Other Holy Land

02/14/2014 | 25m 48s | Video has closed captioning.

The debate over the morality of Edward Snowden's actions; and the Christian presence in Jordan.

Aired: 02/14/14

Rating: NR

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>>> COMING UP, KIM LAWTON ON THE >>> COMING UP, KIM LAWTON ON THE CHRISTIANS OF JORDAN WHERE THEY >>> COMING UP, KIM LAWTON ON THE CHRISTIANS OF JORDAN WHERE THEY SAY, CHRISTIANITY BEGAN.

CHRISTIANS OF JORDAN WHERE THEY SAY, CHRISTIANITY BEGAN.

THEIR NUMBERS ARE DROPPING SAY, CHRISTIANITY BEGAN.

THEIR NUMBERS ARE DROPPING DRAMATICALLY.

>> HOW CAN WE IMAGINE A MIDDLE DRAMATICALLY.

>> HOW CAN WE IMAGINE A MIDDLE EAST WITHOUT CHRISTIANS?

>> PLUS, THE ETHICS OF WHISTLE EAST WITHOUT CHRISTIANS?

>> PLUS, THE ETHICS OF WHISTLE BLOWING.

LUCKY SEVERSON EXAMINES THE CASE BLOWING.

LUCKY SEVERSON EXAMINES THE CASE OF EDWARD SNOWDEN.

>> EDWARD SNOWDEN BROKE THE LAW.

OF EDWARD SNOWDEN.

>> EDWARD SNOWDEN BROKE THE LAW.

I MEAN, HE VEALATED HIS OATH >> EDWARD SNOWDEN BROKE THE LAW.

I MEAN, HE VEALATED HIS OATH I MEAN, HE VEALATED HIS OATH .

>>> WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

>>> WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

A SECOND ROUND OF SYRIA PEACE IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

A SECOND ROUND OF SYRIA PEACE TALKS GOT UNDERWAY IN GENEVA A SECOND ROUND OF SYRIA PEACE TALKS GOT UNDERWAY IN GENEVA THIS WEEK BUT THEY WERE TALKS GOT UNDERWAY IN GENEVA THIS WEEK BUT THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY BOGGED DOWN IN THIS WEEK BUT THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY BOGGED DOWN IN BITTERNESS AND DISAGREEMENTS.

IMMEDIATELY BOGGED DOWN IN BITTERNESS AND DISAGREEMENTS.

MEANWHILE, IN SYRIA, CONTINUING BITTERNESS AND DISAGREEMENTS.

MEANWHILE, IN SYRIA, CONTINUING VIOLENCE DISRUPTED HUMANITARIAN MEANWHILE, IN SYRIA, CONTINUING VIOLENCE DISRUPTED HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS TO RESCUE CIVILIANS AND VIOLENCE DISRUPTED HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS TO RESCUE CIVILIANS AND DELIVER FOOD TO BESIEGED AREAS.

EFFORTS TO RESCUE CIVILIANS AND DELIVER FOOD TO BESIEGED AREAS.

FAITH-BASED GROUPS WERE AMONG DELIVER FOOD TO BESIEGED AREAS.

FAITH-BASED GROUPS WERE AMONG THOSE PROVIDING EMERGENCY RELIEF FAITH-BASED GROUPS WERE AMONG THOSE PROVIDING EMERGENCY RELIEF TO EVACUEES WHO WERE DESCRIBED THOSE PROVIDING EMERGENCY RELIEF TO EVACUEES WHO WERE DESCRIBED AS BEING "EMACIATED."

TO EVACUEES WHO WERE DESCRIBED AS BEING "EMACIATED."

MORE THAN 6 MILLION SYRIANS ARE AS BEING "EMACIATED."

MORE THAN 6 MILLION SYRIANS ARE DISPLACED INSIDE THAT COUNTRY MORE THAN 6 MILLION SYRIANS ARE DISPLACED INSIDE THAT COUNTRY AND ANOTHER 2 MILLION HAVE FLED DISPLACED INSIDE THAT COUNTRY AND ANOTHER 2 MILLION HAVE FLED TO NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES, AMONG AND ANOTHER 2 MILLION HAVE FLED TO NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES, AMONG THEM, JORDAN.

TO NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES, AMONG THEM, JORDAN.

IN WASHINGTON, PRESIDENT OBAMA THEM, JORDAN.

IN WASHINGTON, PRESIDENT OBAMA EXPRESSED ENORMOUS FRUSTRATION IN WASHINGTON, PRESIDENT OBAMA EXPRESSED ENORMOUS FRUSTRATION WITH THE SITUATION AND URGED EXPRESSED ENORMOUS FRUSTRATION WITH THE SITUATION AND URGED MORE ACCESS FOR AID.

WITH THE SITUATION AND URGED MORE ACCESS FOR AID.

JORDAN'S KING ABDULLAH IS IN THE MORE ACCESS FOR AID.

JORDAN'S KING ABDULLAH IS IN THE U.S.

THIS WEEK FOR A SERIES OF JORDAN'S KING ABDULLAH IS IN THE U.S.

THIS WEEK FOR A SERIES OF HIGH LEVEL TALKS ABOUT THE SYRIA U.S.

THIS WEEK FOR A SERIES OF HIGH LEVEL TALKS ABOUT THE SYRIA CRISIS AND THE MIDDLE EAST PEACE HIGH LEVEL TALKS ABOUT THE SYRIA CRISIS AND THE MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS.

CRISIS AND THE MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS.

JORDAN IS LOCATED BETWEEN SYRIA PROCESS.

JORDAN IS LOCATED BETWEEN SYRIA AND ISRAEL, AND IS PREDOMINANTLY JORDAN IS LOCATED BETWEEN SYRIA AND ISRAEL, AND IS PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIM.

AND ISRAEL, AND IS PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIM.

IT IS LONG HAD A VIBRANT MUSLIM.

IT IS LONG HAD A VIBRANT CHRISTIAN PRESENCE, ALTHOUGH THE IT IS LONG HAD A VIBRANT CHRISTIAN PRESENCE, ALTHOUGH THE NUMBER OF CHRISTIANS THERE, AND CHRISTIAN PRESENCE, ALTHOUGH THE NUMBER OF CHRISTIANS THERE, AND THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE EAST, HAS NUMBER OF CHRISTIANS THERE, AND THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE EAST, HAS BEEN GOING DOWN DRAMATICALLY.

THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE EAST, HAS BEEN GOING DOWN DRAMATICALLY.

OUR MANAGING EDITOR KIM LAWTON BEEN GOING DOWN DRAMATICALLY.

OUR MANAGING EDITOR KIM LAWTON WAS IN JORDAN LAST MONTH AND OUR MANAGING EDITOR KIM LAWTON WAS IN JORDAN LAST MONTH AND REPORTS TODAY ON THE SITUATION WAS IN JORDAN LAST MONTH AND REPORTS TODAY ON THE SITUATION FOR JORDAN'S CHRISTIANS, WHO REPORTS TODAY ON THE SITUATION FOR JORDAN'S CHRISTIANS, WHO INSIST THAT THEY BE SEEN AS PART FOR JORDAN'S CHRISTIANS, WHO INSIST THAT THEY BE SEEN AS PART OF THE HOLY LAND.

INSIST THAT THEY BE SEEN AS PART OF THE HOLY LAND.

>> ON SUNDAY MORNING AT THE OF THE HOLY LAND.

>> ON SUNDAY MORNING AT THE ORTHODOX CHURCH OF THE >> ON SUNDAY MORNING AT THE ORTHODOX CHURCH OF THE PRESENTATION OF THE LORD IN ORTHODOX CHURCH OF THE PRESENTATION OF THE LORD IN AMMAN JORDAN, IT'S STANDING ROOM PRESENTATION OF THE LORD IN AMMAN JORDAN, IT'S STANDING ROOM ONLY.

AMMAN JORDAN, IT'S STANDING ROOM ONLY.

BUT DON'T LET THE CROWDS DECEIVE ONLY.

BUT DON'T LET THE CROWDS DECEIVE YOU.

CHRISTIANS ARE NO MORE THAN 6% YOU.

CHRISTIANS ARE NO MORE THAN 6% OF THIS NATION OF MORE THAN 6 CHRISTIANS ARE NO MORE THAN 6% OF THIS NATION OF MORE THAN 6 MILLION.

OF THIS NATION OF MORE THAN 6 MILLION.

STILL, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE MILLION.

STILL, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE CALLED A MINORITY.

>> WE ARE NOT A MINORITY.

CALLED A MINORITY.

>> WE ARE NOT A MINORITY.

WE ARE SMALL IN NUMBER.

>> WE ARE NOT A MINORITY.

WE ARE SMALL IN NUMBER.

WE INSIST THAT WE ARE NOT THE WE ARE SMALL IN NUMBER.

WE INSIST THAT WE ARE NOT THE MINORITY.

WE WERE HERE BEFORE ISLAM.

MINORITY.

WE WERE HERE BEFORE ISLAM.

WE ARE THE CHILDREN OF THIS WE WERE HERE BEFORE ISLAM.

WE ARE THE CHILDREN OF THIS LAND.

>> MOST OF THE CHRISTIANS HERE LAND.

>> MOST OF THE CHRISTIANS HERE TRACE THEIR HERITAGE TO THE >> MOST OF THE CHRISTIANS HERE TRACE THEIR HERITAGE TO THE EARLIEST DAYS OF CHRISTIANITY, TRACE THEIR HERITAGE TO THE EARLIEST DAYS OF CHRISTIANITY, WHEN JESUS MINISTERED IN THIS EARLIEST DAYS OF CHRISTIANITY, WHEN JESUS MINISTERED IN THIS REGION AND THEN HIS DISCIPLES WHEN JESUS MINISTERED IN THIS REGION AND THEN HIS DISCIPLES ESTABLISHED THE NEW FAITH IN THE REGION AND THEN HIS DISCIPLES ESTABLISHED THE NEW FAITH IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

ESTABLISHED THE NEW FAITH IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

WHILE CHRISTIAN PILGRIMS FROM SURROUNDING AREAS.

WHILE CHRISTIAN PILGRIMS FROM THE OUTSIDE OFTEN REFER TO WHILE CHRISTIAN PILGRIMS FROM THE OUTSIDE OFTEN REFER TO ISRAEL AND THE WEST BANK AS THE THE OUTSIDE OFTEN REFER TO ISRAEL AND THE WEST BANK AS THE HOLY LAND, SEVERAL IMPORTANT ISRAEL AND THE WEST BANK AS THE HOLY LAND, SEVERAL IMPORTANT BIBLE STORIES TOOK PLACE ON THE HOLY LAND, SEVERAL IMPORTANT BIBLE STORIES TOOK PLACE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE JORDAN RIVER IN BIBLE STORIES TOOK PLACE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE JORDAN RIVER IN WHAT IS NOW THE NATION OF EAST SIDE OF THE JORDAN RIVER IN WHAT IS NOW THE NATION OF JORDAN.

WHAT IS NOW THE NATION OF JORDAN.

JORDANIAN CHRISTIANS INSIST THEY JORDAN.

JORDANIAN CHRISTIANS INSIST THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED PART OF THE JORDANIAN CHRISTIANS INSIST THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED PART OF THE HOLY LAND AS WELL.

SHOULD BE CONSIDERED PART OF THE HOLY LAND AS WELL.

>> JORDAN IS NOT THE BORDER.

HOLY LAND AS WELL.

>> JORDAN IS NOT THE BORDER.

ARCHAEOLOGY, RELIGION DO NOT >> JORDAN IS NOT THE BORDER.

ARCHAEOLOGY, RELIGION DO NOT HAVE BORDERS.

SO THIS IS THE CENTER OF THE HAVE BORDERS.

SO THIS IS THE CENTER OF THE HOLY LAND INDEED.

>> SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT HOLY LAND INDEED.

>> SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT SITES ARE BY THE JORDAN RIVER >> SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT SITES ARE BY THE JORDAN RIVER WHERE THE BIBLE SAYS THE PROPHET SITES ARE BY THE JORDAN RIVER WHERE THE BIBLE SAYS THE PROPHET ELIJAH WAS TAKEN INTO HEAVEN AND WHERE THE BIBLE SAYS THE PROPHET ELIJAH WAS TAKEN INTO HEAVEN AND WHERE JOHN THE BAPTIST BAPTIZED ELIJAH WAS TAKEN INTO HEAVEN AND WHERE JOHN THE BAPTIST BAPTIZED JESUS.

WHERE JOHN THE BAPTIST BAPTIZED JESUS.

EXCAVATIONS IN THE AREA BEGAN IN JESUS.

EXCAVATIONS IN THE AREA BEGAN IN 1996, AFTER JORDAN HAD SIGNED A EXCAVATIONS IN THE AREA BEGAN IN 1996, AFTER JORDAN HAD SIGNED A PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL AND 1996, AFTER JORDAN HAD SIGNED A PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL AND REMOVED LAND MINES FROM THE PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL AND REMOVED LAND MINES FROM THE AREA.

REMOVED LAND MINES FROM THE AREA.

ARCHAEOLOGISTS UNEARTHED A CAVE AREA.

ARCHAEOLOGISTS UNEARTHED A CAVE WHERE SOME SAY JOHN THE BAPTIST ARCHAEOLOGISTS UNEARTHED A CAVE WHERE SOME SAY JOHN THE BAPTIST MAY HAVE LIVED AS WELL AS RUINS WHERE SOME SAY JOHN THE BAPTIST MAY HAVE LIVED AS WELL AS RUINS OF ANCIENT CHURCHES, SOME DATING MAY HAVE LIVED AS WELL AS RUINS OF ANCIENT CHURCHES, SOME DATING BACK TO THE FOURTH CENTURY.

OF ANCIENT CHURCHES, SOME DATING BACK TO THE FOURTH CENTURY.

RUSTOM MKHJIAN IS ASSISTANT BACK TO THE FOURTH CENTURY.

RUSTOM MKHJIAN IS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE BAPTIST SITE RUSTOM MKHJIAN IS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE BAPTIST SITE COMMISSION.

DIRECTOR OF THE BAPTIST SITE COMMISSION.

>> DEPENDING ON THE BIBLE, COMMISSION.

>> DEPENDING ON THE BIBLE, DEPENDING ON THE PILGRIMS' >> DEPENDING ON THE BIBLE, DEPENDING ON THE PILGRIMS' ACCOUNTS AND THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL DEPENDING ON THE PILGRIMS' ACCOUNTS AND THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL STUDIES, WE KNOW THIS IS THE ACCOUNTS AND THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL STUDIES, WE KNOW THIS IS THE SPOT WHERE JESUS BAPTIZED AND STUDIES, WE KNOW THIS IS THE SPOT WHERE JESUS BAPTIZED AND CHRISTIANITY STARTED.

SPOT WHERE JESUS BAPTIZED AND CHRISTIANITY STARTED.

>> IN THE BIBLE STORY AFTER HIS CHRISTIANITY STARTED.

>> IN THE BIBLE STORY AFTER HIS BAPTISM, JESUS BEGAN HIS PUBLIC >> IN THE BIBLE STORY AFTER HIS BAPTISM, JESUS BEGAN HIS PUBLIC MINISTRY.

BAPTISM, JESUS BEGAN HIS PUBLIC MINISTRY.

SO CHRISTIANS HERE SAY THIS IS MINISTRY.

SO CHRISTIANS HERE SAY THIS IS WHERE CHRISTIANITY REALLY BEGAN.

>> THIS IS ONE OF THE HOLIEST WHERE CHRISTIANITY REALLY BEGAN.

>> THIS IS ONE OF THE HOLIEST THREE SITES FOR CHRISTIANS ON >> THIS IS ONE OF THE HOLIEST THREE SITES FOR CHRISTIANS ON EARTH.

THREE SITES FOR CHRISTIANS ON EARTH.

BETHLEHEM WHERE JESUS WAS BORN.

EARTH.

BETHLEHEM WHERE JESUS WAS BORN.

HERE WHERE CHRISTIANITY STARTED, BETHLEHEM WHERE JESUS WAS BORN.

HERE WHERE CHRISTIANITY STARTED, AND JERUSALEM, THE END OF LIFE.

SO THE ENTIRE CIRCLE WOULDN'T BE AND JERUSALEM, THE END OF LIFE.

SO THE ENTIRE CIRCLE WOULDN'T BE COMPLETE WITHOUT THESE THREE SO THE ENTIRE CIRCLE WOULDN'T BE COMPLETE WITHOUT THESE THREE SITES.

COMPLETE WITHOUT THESE THREE SITES.

>> FATHER NABIL HADDAD IS A SITES.

>> FATHER NABIL HADDAD IS A PRIEST IN THE ANCIENT MELKITE >> FATHER NABIL HADDAD IS A PRIEST IN THE ANCIENT MELKITE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND SAYS HE PRIEST IN THE ANCIENT MELKITE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND SAYS HE SHARES A BIRTH PLACE WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND SAYS HE SHARES A BIRTH PLACE WITH THE PROPHET ELIJAH.

SHARES A BIRTH PLACE WITH THE PROPHET ELIJAH.

HE SAYS CHRISTIANS ARE PROUD OF PROPHET ELIJAH.

HE SAYS CHRISTIANS ARE PROUD OF THEIR LEGACY HERE.

>> WE ARE THE ONES WHO INHERITED THEIR LEGACY HERE.

>> WE ARE THE ONES WHO INHERITED THIS BIRTH PLACE OF >> WE ARE THE ONES WHO INHERITED THIS BIRTH PLACE OF CHRISTIANITY.

THIS BIRTH PLACE OF CHRISTIANITY.

I THINK WE ARE AGENTS TO CARRY CHRISTIANITY.

I THINK WE ARE AGENTS TO CARRY THIS AS WITNESSES TO THE WHOLE I THINK WE ARE AGENTS TO CARRY THIS AS WITNESSES TO THE WHOLE WORLD.

THIS AS WITNESSES TO THE WHOLE WORLD.

>> FOR CENTURIES, JORDAN'S WORLD.

>> FOR CENTURIES, JORDAN'S CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY HAS PLAYED A >> FOR CENTURIES, JORDAN'S CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY HAS PLAYED A PROMINENT ROLE IN SOCIETY.

CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY HAS PLAYED A PROMINENT ROLE IN SOCIETY.

>> THEIR SOCIAL INFLUENCE IS PROMINENT ROLE IN SOCIETY.

>> THEIR SOCIAL INFLUENCE IS CERTAINLY WELL BEYOND THEIR >> THEIR SOCIAL INFLUENCE IS CERTAINLY WELL BEYOND THEIR NUMBERS.

CERTAINLY WELL BEYOND THEIR NUMBERS.

VERY MAJOR INFLUENCE IN THE NUMBERS.

VERY MAJOR INFLUENCE IN THE FIELDS OF EDUCATION, IN THE VERY MAJOR INFLUENCE IN THE FIELDS OF EDUCATION, IN THE MEDICAL FIELD OPERATING SOME OF FIELDS OF EDUCATION, IN THE MEDICAL FIELD OPERATING SOME OF THE BEST HOSPITALS IN THE MEDICAL FIELD OPERATING SOME OF THE BEST HOSPITALS IN THE COUNTRY.

THE BEST HOSPITALS IN THE COUNTRY.

THEY ALSO HAVE MADE A COUNTRY.

THEY ALSO HAVE MADE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION IN THEY ALSO HAVE MADE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION IN FIELDS OF AGRICULTURE.

SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION IN FIELDS OF AGRICULTURE.

>> DARYL BYLER IS EXECUTIVE FIELDS OF AGRICULTURE.

>> DARYL BYLER IS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR >> DARYL BYLER IS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR JUSTICE AND PEACE MAKING AT DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR JUSTICE AND PEACE MAKING AT EASTERN MENNONITE UNIVERSITY IN JUSTICE AND PEACE MAKING AT EASTERN MENNONITE UNIVERSITY IN VIRGINIA.

EASTERN MENNONITE UNIVERSITY IN VIRGINIA.

HE SPEND THE LAST SIX YEARS IN VIRGINIA.

HE SPEND THE LAST SIX YEARS IN JORDAN WITH MENNONITE CENTRAL HE SPEND THE LAST SIX YEARS IN JORDAN WITH MENNONITE CENTRAL COMMITTEE WHERE HE WORKED WITH JORDAN WITH MENNONITE CENTRAL COMMITTEE WHERE HE WORKED WITH LOCAL CHRISTIANS.

COMMITTEE WHERE HE WORKED WITH LOCAL CHRISTIANS.

>> THEIR INSTITUTIONS ARE THERE LOCAL CHRISTIANS.

>> THEIR INSTITUTIONS ARE THERE TO SERVE TO SERVE OTHER >> THEIR INSTITUTIONS ARE THERE TO SERVE TO SERVE OTHER CHRISTIANS BUT ALSO MUSLIMS AND TO SERVE TO SERVE OTHER CHRISTIANS BUT ALSO MUSLIMS AND OTHERS IN THE COUNTRY.

CHRISTIANS BUT ALSO MUSLIMS AND OTHERS IN THE COUNTRY.

THEY MAKE THEIR SERVICES OTHERS IN THE COUNTRY.

THEY MAKE THEIR SERVICES AVAILABLE, AND THEY SEE THAT AS THEY MAKE THEIR SERVICES AVAILABLE, AND THEY SEE THAT AS THEIR WAY OF GIVING WITNESS TO AVAILABLE, AND THEY SEE THAT AS THEIR WAY OF GIVING WITNESS TO THE LIGHT OF CHRIST.

THEIR WAY OF GIVING WITNESS TO THE LIGHT OF CHRIST.

>> BISHOP BENEDICT, THE GREEK THE LIGHT OF CHRIST.

>> BISHOP BENEDICT, THE GREEK ORTHODOX BISHOP OF AMMAN, SAYS >> BISHOP BENEDICT, THE GREEK ORTHODOX BISHOP OF AMMAN, SAYS SERVING OTHERS IS HOW CHRISTIANS ORTHODOX BISHOP OF AMMAN, SAYS SERVING OTHERS IS HOW CHRISTIANS HERE LIVE OUT THEIR FAITH.

SERVING OTHERS IS HOW CHRISTIANS HERE LIVE OUT THEIR FAITH.

>> ESPECIALLY IN OUR DOCTRINE HERE LIVE OUT THEIR FAITH.

>> ESPECIALLY IN OUR DOCTRINE AND THE ORTHODOX CHURCH, THE >> ESPECIALLY IN OUR DOCTRINE AND THE ORTHODOX CHURCH, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS LOVE.

AND THE ORTHODOX CHURCH, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS LOVE.

AND LOVE, YOU SEE, WE CAN'T TALK MOST IMPORTANT THING IS LOVE.

AND LOVE, YOU SEE, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT LOVE BECAUSE LOVE NEEDS AND LOVE, YOU SEE, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT LOVE BECAUSE LOVE NEEDS PRACTICE.

ABOUT LOVE BECAUSE LOVE NEEDS PRACTICE.

>> THAT IMPULSE HAS BEEN PRACTICE.

>> THAT IMPULSE HAS BEEN PARTICULARLY EVIDENT IN THE >> THAT IMPULSE HAS BEEN PARTICULARLY EVIDENT IN THE SYRIAN REFUGEE CRISIS.

PARTICULARLY EVIDENT IN THE SYRIAN REFUGEE CRISIS.

ALMOST 600,000 REFUGEES FROM SYRIAN REFUGEE CRISIS.

ALMOST 600,000 REFUGEES FROM NEIGHBORING SYRIA HAVE ENDED UP ALMOST 600,000 REFUGEES FROM NEIGHBORING SYRIA HAVE ENDED UP IN JORDAN, GENERATING A MASSIVE NEIGHBORING SYRIA HAVE ENDED UP IN JORDAN, GENERATING A MASSIVE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.

IN JORDAN, GENERATING A MASSIVE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.

THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY HAS HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.

THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY HAS PLAYED A KEY ROLE IN THE THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY HAS PLAYED A KEY ROLE IN THE RESPONSE.

PLAYED A KEY ROLE IN THE RESPONSE.

>> THOSE PEOPLE BECAME UPROOTED, RESPONSE.

>> THOSE PEOPLE BECAME UPROOTED, AND THEY HAVE NO PLACE.

BUT OF COURSE TODAY JORDAN IS AND THEY HAVE NO PLACE.

BUT OF COURSE TODAY JORDAN IS TAKING THE BIGGEST NUMBER OF BUT OF COURSE TODAY JORDAN IS TAKING THE BIGGEST NUMBER OF REFUGEES, AND THIS IS OUR MORAL TAKING THE BIGGEST NUMBER OF REFUGEES, AND THIS IS OUR MORAL DUTY AS CHRISTIANS IN THE REFUGEES, AND THIS IS OUR MORAL DUTY AS CHRISTIANS IN THE COUNTRY.

DUTY AS CHRISTIANS IN THE COUNTRY.

TO BE THERE, TO SUPPORT THEM, TO COUNTRY.

TO BE THERE, TO SUPPORT THEM, TO MAKE THEM FEEL AS MUCH AS TO BE THERE, TO SUPPORT THEM, TO MAKE THEM FEEL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AT HOME.

MAKE THEM FEEL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AT HOME.

>> I WAS JUST VERY MUCH POSSIBLE, AT HOME.

>> I WAS JUST VERY MUCH INSPIRED, ESPECIALLY IN THIS >> I WAS JUST VERY MUCH INSPIRED, ESPECIALLY IN THIS MORE RECENT DEALING WITH THE INSPIRED, ESPECIALLY IN THIS MORE RECENT DEALING WITH THE SYRIAN REFUGEES THAT ARE MORE RECENT DEALING WITH THE SYRIAN REFUGEES THAT ARE FLOODING INTO JORDAN, THE WAY SYRIAN REFUGEES THAT ARE FLOODING INTO JORDAN, THE WAY THAT THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY FLOODING INTO JORDAN, THE WAY THAT THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE.

THAT THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE.

THEY REALLY SAW THIS AS AN STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE.

THEY REALLY SAW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A STATEMENT THEY REALLY SAW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO OUR MUSLIM NEIGHBORS THAT WE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO OUR MUSLIM NEIGHBORS THAT WE ARE HERE FOR YOU.

TO OUR MUSLIM NEIGHBORS THAT WE ARE HERE FOR YOU.

AND THEY STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE ARE HERE FOR YOU.

AND THEY STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE IN A BIG WAY.

>> MANY CHRISTIAN LEADERS HERE IN A BIG WAY.

>> MANY CHRISTIAN LEADERS HERE SAY THEY HAVE GOOD RELATIONS >> MANY CHRISTIAN LEADERS HERE SAY THEY HAVE GOOD RELATIONS WITH JORDAN'S KING ABDULLAH AND SAY THEY HAVE GOOD RELATIONS WITH JORDAN'S KING ABDULLAH AND MEMBERS OF HIS ROYAL FAMILY.

WITH JORDAN'S KING ABDULLAH AND MEMBERS OF HIS ROYAL FAMILY.

>> WE WERE LUCKY TO SEE THAT HIS MEMBERS OF HIS ROYAL FAMILY.

>> WE WERE LUCKY TO SEE THAT HIS MAJESTY, KING ABDULLAH HAS USED >> WE WERE LUCKY TO SEE THAT HIS MAJESTY, KING ABDULLAH HAS USED WHAT I CALL THE INTERFAITH MAJESTY, KING ABDULLAH HAS USED WHAT I CALL THE INTERFAITH DIPLOMACY.

WHAT I CALL THE INTERFAITH DIPLOMACY.

SO THAT INTERFAITH DIALOGUE DIPLOMACY.

SO THAT INTERFAITH DIALOGUE BECAME PART OF THE JORDANIAN SO THAT INTERFAITH DIALOGUE BECAME PART OF THE JORDANIAN DIPLOMACY.

BECAME PART OF THE JORDANIAN DIPLOMACY.

>> COMPARED TO OTHER DIPLOMACY.

>> COMPARED TO OTHER PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIM COUNTRIES, >> COMPARED TO OTHER PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIM COUNTRIES, CHRISTIANS HERE HAVE MUCH PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIM COUNTRIES, CHRISTIANS HERE HAVE MUCH FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

CHRISTIANS HERE HAVE MUCH FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

>> THEY ARE FREE TO MEET, TO FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

>> THEY ARE FREE TO MEET, TO WORSHIP, TO PROVIDE SERVICES, TO >> THEY ARE FREE TO MEET, TO WORSHIP, TO PROVIDE SERVICES, TO RUN SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS.

WORSHIP, TO PROVIDE SERVICES, TO RUN SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS.

THE LINE IS AT THE POINT OF RUN SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS.

THE LINE IS AT THE POINT OF YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TRY TO THE LINE IS AT THE POINT OF YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TRY TO CONVERT A MUSLIM TO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TRY TO CONVERT A MUSLIM TO CHRISTIANITY.

CONVERT A MUSLIM TO CHRISTIANITY.

THERE IS MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT CHRISTIANITY.

THERE IS MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.

BECAUSE IT IS OKAY IN THOSE THAT.

BECAUSE IT IS OKAY IN THOSE SOCIETIES FOR CHRISTIANS TO BECAUSE IT IS OKAY IN THOSE SOCIETIES FOR CHRISTIANS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM, THAT THERE SOCIETIES FOR CHRISTIANS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM, THAT THERE SHOULD BE THE RECIPROCAL.

CONVERT TO ISLAM, THAT THERE SHOULD BE THE RECIPROCAL.

AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE SHOULD BE THE RECIPROCAL.

AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING.

WHEN THAT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE HAPPENING.

WHEN THAT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE AS A POLICY OR AS A PRACTICE, I WHEN THAT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE AS A POLICY OR AS A PRACTICE, I DON'T KNOW.

AS A POLICY OR AS A PRACTICE, I DON'T KNOW.

>> JORDANIAN CHRISTIANS AND DON'T KNOW.

>> JORDANIAN CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS HAVE GENERALLY LIVED >> JORDANIAN CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS HAVE GENERALLY LIVED TOGETHER IN PEACE.

MUSLIMS HAVE GENERALLY LIVED TOGETHER IN PEACE.

BUT SOME CHRISTIANS ARE TOGETHER IN PEACE.

BUT SOME CHRISTIANS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT RISING ISLAMIC BUT SOME CHRISTIANS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT RISING ISLAMIC EXTREMISM IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CONCERNED ABOUT RISING ISLAMIC EXTREMISM IN OTHER PARTS OF THE MIDDLE EAST.

EXTREMISM IN OTHER PARTS OF THE MIDDLE EAST.

THEY WORRY THEIR COMMUNITY COULD MIDDLE EAST.

THEY WORRY THEIR COMMUNITY COULD BE THREATENED IF THAT TAKES HOLD THEY WORRY THEIR COMMUNITY COULD BE THREATENED IF THAT TAKES HOLD HERE.

BE THREATENED IF THAT TAKES HOLD HERE.

>> BECAUSE OF THAT, PROBLEMS HERE.

>> BECAUSE OF THAT, PROBLEMS WHICH HAPPENED IN SYRIA, >> BECAUSE OF THAT, PROBLEMS WHICH HAPPENED IN SYRIA, LEBANON, AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ, WHICH HAPPENED IN SYRIA, LEBANON, AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ, EGYPT, SAUDI ARABIA, ALL THIS LEBANON, AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ, EGYPT, SAUDI ARABIA, ALL THIS AREA, YOU SEE, THEY SEND THE EGYPT, SAUDI ARABIA, ALL THIS AREA, YOU SEE, THEY SEND THE FANATACISM TO THIS AREA.

AREA, YOU SEE, THEY SEND THE FANATACISM TO THIS AREA.

>> BYLER SAYS RELATIONS FOR FANATACISM TO THIS AREA.

>> BYLER SAYS RELATIONS FOR CHRISTIANS IN JORDAN HAVE ALSO >> BYLER SAYS RELATIONS FOR CHRISTIANS IN JORDAN HAVE ALSO BEEN COMPLICATED BY POLITICS AND CHRISTIANS IN JORDAN HAVE ALSO BEEN COMPLICATED BY POLITICS AND THE FOREIGN POLICY DECISIONS OF BEEN COMPLICATED BY POLITICS AND THE FOREIGN POLICY DECISIONS OF THE U.S. AND OTHER WESTERN THE FOREIGN POLICY DECISIONS OF THE U.S. AND OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES.

THE U.S. AND OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES.

>> THEY ARE PERCEIVED BY MUSLIM COUNTRIES.

>> THEY ARE PERCEIVED BY MUSLIM COMMUNITIES AS BEING CONNECTED >> THEY ARE PERCEIVED BY MUSLIM COMMUNITIES AS BEING CONNECTED TO THE WESTERN CHURCH.

COMMUNITIES AS BEING CONNECTED TO THE WESTERN CHURCH.

AND THE WEST IS VIEWED AS HAVING TO THE WESTERN CHURCH.

AND THE WEST IS VIEWED AS HAVING JUST IMPOSED SEVERAL WARS ON THE AND THE WEST IS VIEWED AS HAVING JUST IMPOSED SEVERAL WARS ON THE REGION.

JUST IMPOSED SEVERAL WARS ON THE REGION.

AND THOSE WARS ARE SOMETIMES REGION.

AND THOSE WARS ARE SOMETIMES VIEWED AS ANTI-MUSLIM CAMPAIGNS.

SO THE CHRISTIANS IN JORDAN AND VIEWED AS ANTI-MUSLIM CAMPAIGNS.

SO THE CHRISTIANS IN JORDAN AND THE MIDDLE EAST BEAR THAT BURDEN SO THE CHRISTIANS IN JORDAN AND THE MIDDLE EAST BEAR THAT BURDEN OF BEING IDENTIFIED WITH THAT.

THE MIDDLE EAST BEAR THAT BURDEN OF BEING IDENTIFIED WITH THAT.

>> AT THE SAME TIME, CHRISTIANS OF BEING IDENTIFIED WITH THAT.

>> AT THE SAME TIME, CHRISTIANS IN JORDAN SAY MANY IN THE WEST >> AT THE SAME TIME, CHRISTIANS IN JORDAN SAY MANY IN THE WEST AREN'T EVEN AWARE THAT THEY ARE IN JORDAN SAY MANY IN THE WEST AREN'T EVEN AWARE THAT THEY ARE HERE.

AREN'T EVEN AWARE THAT THEY ARE HERE.

>> MANY WESTERN PILGRIMS COME TO HERE.

>> MANY WESTERN PILGRIMS COME TO SEE THE HOLY SITES.

AND TRADITIONALLY IT IS SPOKEN SEE THE HOLY SITES.

AND TRADITIONALLY IT IS SPOKEN IN THE REGION AS, THEY COME TO AND TRADITIONALLY IT IS SPOKEN IN THE REGION AS, THEY COME TO SEE THE OLD STONES BUT WE'RE THE IN THE REGION AS, THEY COME TO SEE THE OLD STONES BUT WE'RE THE LIVING STONES.

SEE THE OLD STONES BUT WE'RE THE LIVING STONES.

WE ARE THE MODERN DAY EMBODYMENT LIVING STONES.

WE ARE THE MODERN DAY EMBODYMENT OF CHRIST.

AND PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WE OF CHRIST.

AND PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WE EXIST HERE SO THERE IS THAT AND PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WE EXIST HERE SO THERE IS THAT FRUSTRATION.

EXIST HERE SO THERE IS THAT FRUSTRATION.

>> BUT ACCORDING TO MANY FRUSTRATION.

>> BUT ACCORDING TO MANY JORDANIAN CHRISTIANS, THEIR >> BUT ACCORDING TO MANY JORDANIAN CHRISTIANS, THEIR BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS MAKING SURE JORDANIAN CHRISTIANS, THEIR BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS MAKING SURE THEIR EXISTENCE CONTINUES.

BIGGEST CHALLENGE IS MAKING SURE THEIR EXISTENCE CONTINUES.

AMID ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL THEIR EXISTENCE CONTINUES.

AMID ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL INSTABILITY IN THE REGION, AMID ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL INSTABILITY IN THE REGION, NUMEROUS CHRISTIANS HAVE CHOSEN INSTABILITY IN THE REGION, NUMEROUS CHRISTIANS HAVE CHOSEN TO EMIGRATE.

NUMEROUS CHRISTIANS HAVE CHOSEN TO EMIGRATE.

IN ADDITION, CHRISTIANS HAVE TO EMIGRATE.

IN ADDITION, CHRISTIANS HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER BIRTH RATES IN ADDITION, CHRISTIANS HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER BIRTH RATES THAN LOCAL MUSLIMS.

SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER BIRTH RATES THAN LOCAL MUSLIMS.

SQUENLLY, AS IS THE CASE IN MANY THAN LOCAL MUSLIMS.

SQUENLLY, AS IS THE CASE IN MANY PARTS OF THE REGION, THEIR SQUENLLY, AS IS THE CASE IN MANY PARTS OF THE REGION, THEIR NUMBER HAVE DIMINISHED PARTS OF THE REGION, THEIR NUMBER HAVE DIMINISHED SIGNIFICANTLY IN RECENT YEARS.

NUMBER HAVE DIMINISHED SIGNIFICANTLY IN RECENT YEARS.

>> HOW CAN WE IMAGINE A MIDDLE SIGNIFICANTLY IN RECENT YEARS.

>> HOW CAN WE IMAGINE A MIDDLE EAST WITHOUT CHRISTIANS?

>> AT THE JORDANIAN INTERFAITH EAST WITHOUT CHRISTIANS?

>> AT THE JORDANIAN INTERFAITH COEXISTENCE RESEARCH CENTER, >> AT THE JORDANIAN INTERFAITH COEXISTENCE RESEARCH CENTER, FATHER HADDAD SAID ALL FAITHS COEXISTENCE RESEARCH CENTER, FATHER HADDAD SAID ALL FAITHS MUST WORK TOGETHER TO MAINTAIN A FATHER HADDAD SAID ALL FAITHS MUST WORK TOGETHER TO MAINTAIN A STRONG PROTECTION FOR THE OTHER.

MUST WORK TOGETHER TO MAINTAIN A STRONG PROTECTION FOR THE OTHER.

>> THIS REGION HAS ALWAYS HAD STRONG PROTECTION FOR THE OTHER.

>> THIS REGION HAS ALWAYS HAD THE THREE RELIGIONS.

THIS IS THE BIRTH PLACE OF THE, THE THREE RELIGIONS.

THIS IS THE BIRTH PLACE OF THE, OF ISLAM, CHRISTIANITY AND THIS IS THE BIRTH PLACE OF THE, OF ISLAM, CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM SO IT IS PART OF THE OF ISLAM, CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM SO IT IS PART OF THE HISTORY, IT'S PART OF THE JUDAISM SO IT IS PART OF THE HISTORY, IT'S PART OF THE PRESENCE, AND IT'S THE HISTORY, IT'S PART OF THE PRESENCE, AND IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CHRISTIANS PRESENCE, AND IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CHRISTIANS AND THE MUSLIMS TO WORK TOGETHER RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CHRISTIANS AND THE MUSLIMS TO WORK TOGETHER TO PROTECT THIS HISTORY AND THE AND THE MUSLIMS TO WORK TOGETHER TO PROTECT THIS HISTORY AND THE VALUE IN IT.

TO PROTECT THIS HISTORY AND THE VALUE IN IT.

>> THAT'S THE ONLY WAY, HE SAYS, VALUE IN IT.

>> THAT'S THE ONLY WAY, HE SAYS, TO ENSURE THE FUTURE OF THIS >> THAT'S THE ONLY WAY, HE SAYS, TO ENSURE THE FUTURE OF THIS HOLY LAND.

TO ENSURE THE FUTURE OF THIS HOLY LAND.

I'M KIM LAWTON IN JORDAN.

HOLY LAND.

I'M KIM LAWTON IN JORDAN.

>> THE MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS I'M KIM LAWTON IN JORDAN.

>> THE MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS WILL BE ON THE AGENDA WHEN >> THE MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS WILL BE ON THE AGENDA WHEN ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN WILL BE ON THE AGENDA WHEN ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU VISITS THE PRESIDENT ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU VISITS THE PRESIDENT AT THE WHITE HOUSE ON MARCH 3rd.

NETANYAHU VISITS THE PRESIDENT AT THE WHITE HOUSE ON MARCH 3rd.

THE ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCED THE AT THE WHITE HOUSE ON MARCH 3rd.

THE ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCED THE MEETING THIS WEEK SAYING THE TWO THE ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCED THE MEETING THIS WEEK SAYING THE TWO LEADERS WILL ALSO DISCUSS THE MEETING THIS WEEK SAYING THE TWO LEADERS WILL ALSO DISCUSS THE SYRIA CRISIS AND RELATIONS WITH LEADERS WILL ALSO DISCUSS THE SYRIA CRISIS AND RELATIONS WITH IRAN.

SYRIA CRISIS AND RELATIONS WITH IRAN.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, RELIGIOUS IRAN.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, RELIGIOUS LEADERS IN THE CENTRAL AFRICAN >>> IN OTHER NEWS, RELIGIOUS LEADERS IN THE CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC ISSUED NEW CALLS FOR AN LEADERS IN THE CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC ISSUED NEW CALLS FOR AN END TO THE WIDESPREAD SECTARIAN REPUBLIC ISSUED NEW CALLS FOR AN END TO THE WIDESPREAD SECTARIAN VIOLENCE PLAGUING THAT COUNTRY.

END TO THE WIDESPREAD SECTARIAN VIOLENCE PLAGUING THAT COUNTRY.

TWO LEADING RELIGIOUS FIGURES VIOLENCE PLAGUING THAT COUNTRY.

TWO LEADING RELIGIOUS FIGURES FROM THE NATION'S CAPITAL OF TWO LEADING RELIGIOUS FIGURES FROM THE NATION'S CAPITAL OF BANGUI, AN ARCHBISHOP AND AN FROM THE NATION'S CAPITAL OF BANGUI, AN ARCHBISHOP AND AN IMAM HAVE BEEN TRAVELING THE BANGUI, AN ARCHBISHOP AND AN IMAM HAVE BEEN TRAVELING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER PLEADING FOR IMAM HAVE BEEN TRAVELING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER PLEADING FOR CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS TO CEASE COUNTRY TOGETHER PLEADING FOR CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS TO CEASE THE RETALIATORY KILLINGS THAT CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS TO CEASE THE RETALIATORY KILLINGS THAT HAVE DISPLACED NEARLY A MILLION THE RETALIATORY KILLINGS THAT HAVE DISPLACED NEARLY A MILLION PEOPLE.

HAVE DISPLACED NEARLY A MILLION PEOPLE.

THE U.N. AND OTHER GROUPS HAVE PEOPLE.

THE U.N. AND OTHER GROUPS HAVE WARNED THAT THE CONFLICTED HAS THE U.N. AND OTHER GROUPS HAVE WARNED THAT THE CONFLICTED HAS CAUSED A SERIOUS FOOD CRISIS WARNED THAT THE CONFLICTED HAS CAUSED A SERIOUS FOOD CRISIS THAT COULD GET MUCH WORSE.

CAUSED A SERIOUS FOOD CRISIS THAT COULD GET MUCH WORSE.

>>> FAMILY MEMBERS OF KENNETH THAT COULD GET MUCH WORSE.

>>> FAMILY MEMBERS OF KENNETH BAE, AN AMERICAN CHRISTIAN >>> FAMILY MEMBERS OF KENNETH BAE, AN AMERICAN CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY WHO HAS BEEN JAILED BAE, AN AMERICAN CHRISTIAN MISSIONARY WHO HAS BEEN JAILED IN NORTH KOREA FOR ALMOST A YEAR MISSIONARY WHO HAS BEEN JAILED IN NORTH KOREA FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF, RENEWED CALLS FOR IN NORTH KOREA FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF, RENEWED CALLS FOR HIS FREEDOM.

AND A HALF, RENEWED CALLS FOR HIS FREEDOM.

BAE WAS ARRESTED IN NOVEMBER HIS FREEDOM.

BAE WAS ARRESTED IN NOVEMBER 2012 AFTER LEADING A TOUR GROUP BAE WAS ARRESTED IN NOVEMBER 2012 AFTER LEADING A TOUR GROUP INTO NORTH KOREA.

2012 AFTER LEADING A TOUR GROUP INTO NORTH KOREA.

THE NORTH KOREAN GOVERNMENT HAS INTO NORTH KOREA.

THE NORTH KOREAN GOVERNMENT HAS ACCUSED HIM OF PLOTTING TO BRING THE NORTH KOREAN GOVERNMENT HAS ACCUSED HIM OF PLOTTING TO BRING DOWN THE STATE, BUT HIS FAMILY ACCUSED HIM OF PLOTTING TO BRING DOWN THE STATE, BUT HIS FAMILY CLAIMS HE'S NNLT.

DOWN THE STATE, BUT HIS FAMILY CLAIMS HE'S NNLT.

BAE HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED TO A CLAIMS HE'S NNLT.

BAE HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED TO A HARD LABOR CAMP AND THIS WEEK, BAE HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED TO A HARD LABOR CAMP AND THIS WEEK, NORTH KOREA WITH DREW AN HARD LABOR CAMP AND THIS WEEK, NORTH KOREA WITH DREW AN INVITATION TO A U.S.

ENVOY TO NORTH KOREA WITH DREW AN INVITATION TO A U.S.

ENVOY TO DISCUSS HIS RELEASE.

INVITATION TO A U.S.

ENVOY TO DISCUSS HIS RELEASE.

>>> WE HAVE A LUCKY SEVERSON DISCUSS HIS RELEASE.

>>> WE HAVE A LUCKY SEVERSON STORY TODAY ON THE ETHICS OF >>> WE HAVE A LUCKY SEVERSON STORY TODAY ON THE ETHICS OF WHISTLE BLOWING.

STORY TODAY ON THE ETHICS OF WHISTLE BLOWING.

EDWARD SNOWDEN LEAKED A VAST WHISTLE BLOWING.

EDWARD SNOWDEN LEAKED A VAST AMOUNT OF DATA REVEALING THE EDWARD SNOWDEN LEAKED A VAST AMOUNT OF DATA REVEALING THE EXTENT OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY AMOUNT OF DATA REVEALING THE EXTENT OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY'S SURVEILLANCE AROUND THE EXTENT OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY'S SURVEILLANCE AROUND THE WORLD AND IN THIS COUNTRY.

AGENCY'S SURVEILLANCE AROUND THE WORLD AND IN THIS COUNTRY.

WAS HE RIGHT TO MAKE THAT PUBLIC WORLD AND IN THIS COUNTRY.

WAS HE RIGHT TO MAKE THAT PUBLIC OR WRONG BECAUSE HE ENDANGERED WAS HE RIGHT TO MAKE THAT PUBLIC OR WRONG BECAUSE HE ENDANGERED NATIONAL SECURITY?

OR WRONG BECAUSE HE ENDANGERED NATIONAL SECURITY?

AS SNOWDEN REMAINS IN MOSCOW TO NATIONAL SECURITY?

AS SNOWDEN REMAINS IN MOSCOW TO AVOID PROSECUTION IN THE U.S., AS SNOWDEN REMAINS IN MOSCOW TO AVOID PROSECUTION IN THE U.S., DEBATE CONTINUES OVER THE AVOID PROSECUTION IN THE U.S., DEBATE CONTINUES OVER THE MORALITY OF WHAT HE AND OTHER DEBATE CONTINUES OVER THE MORALITY OF WHAT HE AND OTHER WHISTLE BLOWERS HAVE DONE.

MORALITY OF WHAT HE AND OTHER WHISTLE BLOWERS HAVE DONE.

>> I'M JUST ANOTHER GUY WHO SITS WHISTLE BLOWERS HAVE DONE.

>> I'M JUST ANOTHER GUY WHO SITS THERE DAY TO DAY IN THE OFFICE >> I'M JUST ANOTHER GUY WHO SITS THERE DAY TO DAY IN THE OFFICE AND WATCHES WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THERE DAY TO DAY IN THE OFFICE AND WATCHES WHAT'S HAPPENING.

AND GOES, THIS IS SOMETHING AND WATCHES WHAT'S HAPPENING.

AND GOES, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT OUR PLACE TO DECIDE.

THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO DECIDE THAT'S NOT OUR PLACE TO DECIDE.

THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO DECIDE WHETHER THESE PROGRAMS OR THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO DECIDE WHETHER THESE PROGRAMS OR POLICIES ARE RIGHT OR WRONG.

WHETHER THESE PROGRAMS OR POLICIES ARE RIGHT OR WRONG.

>> SO IS EDWARD SNOWDEN A SAINT POLICIES ARE RIGHT OR WRONG.

>> SO IS EDWARD SNOWDEN A SAINT OR A SINNER OR ANY OF THE >> SO IS EDWARD SNOWDEN A SAINT OR A SINNER OR ANY OF THE MULTITUDE OF LABELS PEOPLE HAVE OR A SINNER OR ANY OF THE MULTITUDE OF LABELS PEOPLE HAVE USED TO DESCRIBE HIM?

MULTITUDE OF LABELS PEOPLE HAVE USED TO DESCRIBE HIM?

>> I DON'T THINK MR. SNOWDEN WAS USED TO DESCRIBE HIM?

>> I DON'T THINK MR. SNOWDEN WAS A PATRIOT.

>> WAS WHAT HE DID RIGHT OR A PATRIOT.

>> WAS WHAT HE DID RIGHT OR WRONG?

>> EDWARD SNOWDEN BROKE THE LAW.

WRONG?

>> EDWARD SNOWDEN BROKE THE LAW.

HE VIOLATED HIS OATH OF OFFICE.

>> EDWARD SNOWDEN BROKE THE LAW.

HE VIOLATED HIS OATH OF OFFICE.

HIS JOB WAS TO PROTECT THE HE VIOLATED HIS OATH OF OFFICE.

HIS JOB WAS TO PROTECT THE NATIONAL INTEREST.

HIS JOB WAS NOT TO DEFINE THE NATIONAL INTEREST.

>> THEY SEE THIS AS AN ETHICAL, NATIONAL INTEREST.

>> THEY SEE THIS AS AN ETHICAL, MORAL DECISION AND THEY TAKE A >> THEY SEE THIS AS AN ETHICAL, MORAL DECISION AND THEY TAKE A STEP IN THE DIRECTION OF BLOWING MORAL DECISION AND THEY TAKE A STEP IN THE DIRECTION OF BLOWING THE WHISTLE.

STEP IN THE DIRECTION OF BLOWING THE WHISTLE.

>> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DOES, THE WHISTLE.

>> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DOES, TAKES AN ACT AND SAYS TO >> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DOES, TAKES AN ACT AND SAYS TO THEMSELVES, WHAT I'M DOING IS TAKES AN ACT AND SAYS TO THEMSELVES, WHAT I'M DOING IS IMMORAL BUT I'M GOING TO DO IT.

THEMSELVES, WHAT I'M DOING IS IMMORAL BUT I'M GOING TO DO IT.

PEOPLE ALWAYS RATIONALIZE.

IMMORAL BUT I'M GOING TO DO IT.

PEOPLE ALWAYS RATIONALIZE.

>> MATTHEW AID HAS AUTHORED TWO PEOPLE ALWAYS RATIONALIZE.

>> MATTHEW AID HAS AUTHORED TWO BOOKS ABOUT SPYING AND THE NSA.

>> I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE BOOKS ABOUT SPYING AND THE NSA.

>> I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE IS BEEN IMMENSE DAMAGE TO THE >> I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE IS BEEN IMMENSE DAMAGE TO THE ABILITY OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY IS BEEN IMMENSE DAMAGE TO THE ABILITY OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY TO COLLECT INTELLIGENCE ABILITY OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY TO COLLECT INTELLIGENCE OVERSEAS.

AGENCY TO COLLECT INTELLIGENCE OVERSEAS.

>> BUT SNOWEDEN SAYS IT'S THE OVERSEAS.

>> BUT SNOWEDEN SAYS IT'S THE INTELLIGENCE, THE MILLIONS AND >> BUT SNOWEDEN SAYS IT'S THE INTELLIGENCE, THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PHONE NUMBERS AND INTELLIGENCE, THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PHONE NUMBERS AND E-MAIL ADDRESSES COLLECTED IN MILLIONS OF PHONE NUMBERS AND E-MAIL ADDRESSES COLLECTED IN THIS COUNTRY THAT PROMPTED HIM E-MAIL ADDRESSES COLLECTED IN THIS COUNTRY THAT PROMPTED HIM TO PILFER AN ESTIMATED 1.7 THIS COUNTRY THAT PROMPTED HIM TO PILFER AN ESTIMATED 1.7 MILLION CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS.

TO PILFER AN ESTIMATED 1.7 MILLION CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS.

>> WHAT ARE YOU GIVING UP?

MILLION CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS.

>> WHAT ARE YOU GIVING UP?

>> BILL HARLOW SERVED 25 YEARS >> WHAT ARE YOU GIVING UP?

>> BILL HARLOW SERVED 25 YEARS IN THE NAVY AND BECAME THE TOP >> BILL HARLOW SERVED 25 YEARS IN THE NAVY AND BECAME THE TOP SPOKESMAN FOR THE CIA.

IN THE NAVY AND BECAME THE TOP SPOKESMAN FOR THE CIA.

>> SOMEWHERE IN SOME DATABASE SPOKESMAN FOR THE CIA.

>> SOMEWHERE IN SOME DATABASE SOMEWHERE YOUR PHONE NUMBER >> SOMEWHERE IN SOME DATABASE SOMEWHERE YOUR PHONE NUMBER EXISTS WITHOUT YOUR NAME SOMEWHERE YOUR PHONE NUMBER EXISTS WITHOUT YOUR NAME ATTACHED TO IT, WITHOUT YOUR EXISTS WITHOUT YOUR NAME ATTACHED TO IT, WITHOUT YOUR ADDRESS ATTACHED TO IT AND IT ATTACHED TO IT, WITHOUT YOUR ADDRESS ATTACHED TO IT AND IT SITS IN A PILE OF OTHER PHONE ADDRESS ATTACHED TO IT AND IT SITS IN A PILE OF OTHER PHONE NUMBERS.

SITS IN A PILE OF OTHER PHONE NUMBERS.

IF SOMEDAY SOME TERRORIST FROM NUMBERS.

IF SOMEDAY SOME TERRORIST FROM AL QAEDA CALLS YOU UP, I THINK IF SOMEDAY SOME TERRORIST FROM AL QAEDA CALLS YOU UP, I THINK THE GOVERNMENT AND THE FBI HAVE AL QAEDA CALLS YOU UP, I THINK THE GOVERNMENT AND THE FBI HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THAT.

THE GOVERNMENT AND THE FBI HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW THAT.

>> IN MY VIEW, RATHER THAN A RIGHT TO KNOW THAT.

>> IN MY VIEW, RATHER THAN BUYING A TICKET TO HONG KONG, HE >> IN MY VIEW, RATHER THAN BUYING A TICKET TO HONG KONG, HE SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT A TICKET TO BUYING A TICKET TO HONG KONG, HE SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT A TICKET TO WASHINGTON.

SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT A TICKET TO WASHINGTON.

>> P.J.

CROWLEY IS A RM INFORMER WASHINGTON.

>> P.J.

CROWLEY IS A RM INFORMER ARMY-AIR FORCE B-17 PILOT AND >> P.J.

CROWLEY IS A RM INFORMER ARMY-AIR FORCE B-17 PILOT AND WAS ALSO THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY ARMY-AIR FORCE B-17 PILOT AND WAS ALSO THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS.

WAS ALSO THE ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS.

NOW HE'S A PROFESSOR AT GEORGE OF STATE FOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS.

NOW HE'S A PROFESSOR AT GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY.

>> ANY WHISTLE BLOWER WHO CALLS WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY.

>> ANY WHISTLE BLOWER WHO CALLS HIMSELF A WHISTLE BLOWER SHOULD >> ANY WHISTLE BLOWER WHO CALLS HIMSELF A WHISTLE BLOWER SHOULD IN FACT BE PREPARED TO PRESENT HIMSELF A WHISTLE BLOWER SHOULD IN FACT BE PREPARED TO PRESENT HIMSELF TO AUTHORITIES AND IN FACT BE PREPARED TO PRESENT HIMSELF TO AUTHORITIES AND ACCEPT WHATEVER THE CONSEQUENCES HIMSELF TO AUTHORITIES AND ACCEPT WHATEVER THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTIONS ARE.

ACCEPT WHATEVER THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS ACTIONS ARE.

>> HE COULD EASILY HAVE GONE TO OF HIS ACTIONS ARE.

>> HE COULD EASILY HAVE GONE TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE >> HE COULD EASILY HAVE GONE TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE NSA.

THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE NSA.

HE COULD HAVE GONE TO MEMBERS OF NSA.

HE COULD HAVE GONE TO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.

WHAT YOU DON'T DO IS TO RUN TO CONGRESS.

WHAT YOU DON'T DO IS TO RUN TO CHINESE CONTROLLED HONG KONG AND WHAT YOU DON'T DO IS TO RUN TO CHINESE CONTROLLED HONG KONG AND TO MOSCOW TO HIDE AWAY.

CHINESE CONTROLLED HONG KONG AND TO MOSCOW TO HIDE AWAY.

YOU DO YOUR ACT AND THEN YOU TO MOSCOW TO HIDE AWAY.

YOU DO YOUR ACT AND THEN YOU TAKE CONSEQUENCES.

HE DIDN'T DO THAT.

TAKE CONSEQUENCES.

HE DIDN'T DO THAT.

>> MELISSA MOSCHELLA IS AN HE DIDN'T DO THAT.

>> MELISSA MOSCHELLA IS AN ASSISTANT PROFESSOR AT >> MELISSA MOSCHELLA IS AN ASSISTANT PROFESSOR AT PHILOSOPHY AT CATHOLIC ASSISTANT PROFESSOR AT PHILOSOPHY AT CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY.

PHILOSOPHY AT CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY.

>> YOU COULD THINK, WHAT DOES IT UNIVERSITY.

>> YOU COULD THINK, WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN TO ACCEPT THE >> YOU COULD THINK, WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN TO ACCEPT THE PUNISHMENT?

REALLY MEAN TO ACCEPT THE PUNISHMENT?

THE FACT THAT HE WAS WILLING TO PUNISHMENT?

THE FACT THAT HE WAS WILLING TO DO THIS MEANS HE BASICALLY GAVE THE FACT THAT HE WAS WILLING TO DO THIS MEANS HE BASICALLY GAVE UP HIS LIFE AS HE KNEW IT.

DO THIS MEANS HE BASICALLY GAVE UP HIS LIFE AS HE KNEW IT.

HE IS EFFECTIVELY IN EXILE UP HIS LIFE AS HE KNEW IT.

HE IS EFFECTIVELY IN EXILE INDEFINITELY.

AND WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN INDEFINITELY.

AND WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO HIM?

>> WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT TO TO HIM?

>> WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT TO BE A LEGITIMATE WHISTLE BLOWER >> WHERE IS IT WRITTEN THAT TO BE A LEGITIMATE WHISTLE BLOWER YOU HAVE TO STAND BEFORE THE BE A LEGITIMATE WHISTLE BLOWER YOU HAVE TO STAND BEFORE THE FIRING SQUAD AND TAKE BULLETS IN YOU HAVE TO STAND BEFORE THE FIRING SQUAD AND TAKE BULLETS IN THE CHEST?

FIRING SQUAD AND TAKE BULLETS IN THE CHEST?

LET'S FACE IT, THIS COUNTRY DOES THE CHEST?

LET'S FACE IT, THIS COUNTRY DOES NOT HAVE A GREAT TRACK RECORD LET'S FACE IT, THIS COUNTRY DOES NOT HAVE A GREAT TRACK RECORD WHEN IT COMES TO GIVING WHISTLE NOT HAVE A GREAT TRACK RECORD WHEN IT COMES TO GIVING WHISTLE BLOWERS THE DUE THAT IS OWED TO WHEN IT COMES TO GIVING WHISTLE BLOWERS THE DUE THAT IS OWED TO THEM FOR COMING FORWARD.

BLOWERS THE DUE THAT IS OWED TO THEM FOR COMING FORWARD.

>> I WENT THROUGH EVERY CHAIN OF THEM FOR COMING FORWARD.

>> I WENT THROUGH EVERY CHAIN OF COMMAND THAT EXISTED INCLUDING >> I WENT THROUGH EVERY CHAIN OF COMMAND THAT EXISTED INCLUDING INTERNAL INSPECTOR GENERAL.

COMMAND THAT EXISTED INCLUDING INTERNAL INSPECTOR GENERAL.

>> SNOWDEN HAS SAID THAT HE INTERNAL INSPECTOR GENERAL.

>> SNOWDEN HAS SAID THAT HE SKIPPED THE COUNTRY BECAUSE HE >> SNOWDEN HAS SAID THAT HE SKIPPED THE COUNTRY BECAUSE HE SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO WHISTLE SKIPPED THE COUNTRY BECAUSE HE SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO WHISTLE BLOWER THOMAS DRAKE.

SAW WHAT HAPPENED TO WHISTLE BLOWER THOMAS DRAKE.

DRAKE WAS AN NSA SENIOR ANALYST BLOWER THOMAS DRAKE.

DRAKE WAS AN NSA SENIOR ANALYST WHO WENT TO THE BALTIMORE "SUN" DRAKE WAS AN NSA SENIOR ANALYST WHO WENT TO THE BALTIMORE "SUN" ONLY AFTER HE HAD GONE UP THE WHO WENT TO THE BALTIMORE "SUN" ONLY AFTER HE HAD GONE UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND TO COMPLAIN ONLY AFTER HE HAD GONE UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND TO COMPLAIN ABOUT A BILLION-DOLLAR SPY CHAIN OF COMMAND TO COMPLAIN ABOUT A BILLION-DOLLAR SPY PROGRAM THAT WAS LATER ABOUT A BILLION-DOLLAR SPY PROGRAM THAT WAS LATER ABANDONED.

PROGRAM THAT WAS LATER ABANDONED.

>> I WAS PUT UNDER SEVERE ABANDONED.

>> I WAS PUT UNDER SEVERE DURESS.

I WAS SURVEILED PHYSICALLY AND DURESS.

I WAS SURVEILED PHYSICALLY AND ELECTRONICALLY.

I WAS THREATENED.

ELECTRONICALLY.

I WAS THREATENED.

AT ONE POINT THE CHIEF I WAS THREATENED.

AT ONE POINT THE CHIEF PROSECUTORS SAID HOW WOULD YOU AT ONE POINT THE CHIEF PROSECUTORS SAID HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEND THE REST OF YOUR PROSECUTORS SAID HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEND THE REST OF YOUR LIFE IN PRISON, MR. DRAKE, LIKE TO SPEND THE REST OF YOUR LIFE IN PRISON, MR. DRAKE, UNLESS YOU COOPERATE WITH OUR LIFE IN PRISON, MR. DRAKE, UNLESS YOU COOPERATE WITH OUR INVESTIGATION?

UNLESS YOU COOPERATE WITH OUR INVESTIGATION?

AND SO THEY CAME AFTER ME WITH INVESTIGATION?

AND SO THEY CAME AFTER ME WITH EVERYTHING THEY HAD.

>> ULTIMATELY ALL CHARGED WERE EVERYTHING THEY HAD.

>> ULTIMATELY ALL CHARGED WERE DROPPED BUT ONLY AFTER HE LOST >> ULTIMATELY ALL CHARGED WERE DROPPED BUT ONLY AFTER HE LOST HIS JOB AND MORTGAGED HIS HOME DROPPED BUT ONLY AFTER HE LOST HIS JOB AND MORTGAGED HIS HOME TO PAY LEGAL BILLS.

HIS JOB AND MORTGAGED HIS HOME TO PAY LEGAL BILLS.

>> THE GOVERNMENT CALLED ME A TO PAY LEGAL BILLS.

>> THE GOVERNMENT CALLED ME A TRAITOR AND A TURN COAT IS THAT >> THE GOVERNMENT CALLED ME A TRAITOR AND A TURN COAT IS THAT A TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER IN THE TRAITOR AND A TURN COAT IS THAT A TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES."

A TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES."

>> SHE IS ANOTHER WHISTLE BLOWER "NEW YORK TIMES."

>> SHE IS ANOTHER WHISTLE BLOWER WHO GOT IN SERIOUS TROUBLE AFTER >> SHE IS ANOTHER WHISTLE BLOWER WHO GOT IN SERIOUS TROUBLE AFTER SHE WENT PUBLIC WHEN SHE WAS AN WHO GOT IN SERIOUS TROUBLE AFTER SHE WENT PUBLIC WHEN SHE WAS AN ETHICS ADVISER FOR THE JUSTICE SHE WENT PUBLIC WHEN SHE WAS AN ETHICS ADVISER FOR THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.

ETHICS ADVISER FOR THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.

>> I GOT A CALL ONE DAY ASKING DEPARTMENT.

>> I GOT A CALL ONE DAY ASKING THE.

THE ETHICAL PROPRIETY OF THE.

THE ETHICAL PROPRIETY OF INTERROGATING THE SO-CALLED THE ETHICAL PROPRIETY OF INTERROGATING THE SO-CALLED AMERICAN TALIBAN, JOHN WALKER INTERROGATING THE SO-CALLED AMERICAN TALIBAN, JOHN WALKER LINDH.

AMERICAN TALIBAN, JOHN WALKER LINDH.

>> SHE APPLIED IT WASN'T ETHICAL LINDH.

>> SHE APPLIED IT WASN'T ETHICAL OR PROPER BUT SHEN SHE LEARNED >> SHE APPLIED IT WASN'T ETHICAL OR PROPER BUT SHEN SHE LEARNED THAT HE WAS INTERROGATED WITHOUT OR PROPER BUT SHEN SHE LEARNED THAT HE WAS INTERROGATED WITHOUT HIS LAWYER AND THAT THE THAT HE WAS INTERROGATED WITHOUT HIS LAWYER AND THAT THE INTERROGATION WAS USED AS HIS LAWYER AND THAT THE INTERROGATION WAS USED AS EVIDENCE IN HIS TRIAL.

INTERROGATION WAS USED AS EVIDENCE IN HIS TRIAL.

SHE ALSO DISCOVERED THAT HER EVIDENCE IN HIS TRIAL.

SHE ALSO DISCOVERED THAT HER CORRESPONDENCE TO THE JUSTICE SHE ALSO DISCOVERED THAT HER CORRESPONDENCE TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAD BEEN PURGED.

CORRESPONDENCE TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAD BEEN PURGED.

THAT WAS WHEN SHE RESIGNED AND DEPARTMENT HAD BEEN PURGED.

THAT WAS WHEN SHE RESIGNED AND CALLED A REPORT HE.

THE CASE COLLAPSED AND HE PLED CALLED A REPORT HE.

THE CASE COLLAPSED AND HE PLED GUILTY TO TWO RELATIVELY MINOR THE CASE COLLAPSED AND HE PLED GUILTY TO TWO RELATIVELY MINOR INFRACTIONS, ALTHOI HE WAS GIVEN GUILTY TO TWO RELATIVELY MINOR INFRACTIONS, ALTHOI HE WAS GIVEN A LENGTHY SENTENCE.

INFRACTIONS, ALTHOI HE WAS GIVEN A LENGTHY SENTENCE.

>> SO I THOUGHT WHOLE ORDEAL WAS A LENGTHY SENTENCE.

>> SO I THOUGHT WHOLE ORDEAL WAS OVER AT THAT POINT.

MY ORDEAL HAD JUST BEGUN BECAUSE OVER AT THAT POINT.

MY ORDEAL HAD JUST BEGUN BECAUSE I INTENDED UP UNLEASHING THE MY ORDEAL HAD JUST BEGUN BECAUSE I INTENDED UP UNLEASHING THE FULL FORCE OF THE ENTIRE I INTENDED UP UNLEASHING THE FULL FORCE OF THE ENTIRE EXECUTIVE BRANCH IN A REALLY FULL FORCE OF THE ENTIRE EXECUTIVE BRANCH IN A REALLY UGLY WAY.

EXECUTIVE BRANCH IN A REALLY UGLY WAY.

>> THE GOVERNMENT BROUGHT A UGLY WAY.

>> THE GOVERNMENT BROUGHT A CRIMINAL CASE AGAINST HER.

REFERRED HER FOR DISCIPLINE CRIMINAL CASE AGAINST HER.

REFERRED HER FOR DISCIPLINE BEFORE THE D.C. AND MARYLAND REFERRED HER FOR DISCIPLINE BEFORE THE D.C. AND MARYLAND BARS AND PUT HER ON THE NO FLY BEFORE THE D.C. AND MARYLAND BARS AND PUT HER ON THE NO FLY LIST.

BARS AND PUT HER ON THE NO FLY LIST.

ULTIMATELY THE CRIMINAL CASE WAS LIST.

ULTIMATELY THE CRIMINAL CASE WAS DROPPED.

THE BAR XLANL DISMISS ASKED SHE DROPPED.

THE BAR XLANL DISMISS ASKED SHE IS NO LONGER ON THE NO FLY LIST.

SHE SAYS SHE GOT THROUGH WITH IT IS NO LONGER ON THE NO FLY LIST.

SHE SAYS SHE GOT THROUGH WITH IT THE HELP OF HER RABBI AND EXODUS SHE SAYS SHE GOT THROUGH WITH IT THE HELP OF HER RABBI AND EXODUS 22:3 WHICH SAYS, THOU SHALT NOT THE HELP OF HER RABBI AND EXODUS 22:3 WHICH SAYS, THOU SHALT NOT FOLLOW A MULTITUDE TOOT WRONG.

22:3 WHICH SAYS, THOU SHALT NOT FOLLOW A MULTITUDE TOOT WRONG.

>> THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT FOLLOW A MULTITUDE TOOT WRONG.

>> THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS INFORMED MY LIFE.

IT IS ALWAYS THERE IN THE HAS INFORMED MY LIFE.

IT IS ALWAYS THERE IN THE BACKGROUND.

>> THE REPRISALS ARE REALLY BACKGROUND.

>> THE REPRISALS ARE REALLY HEAVIER TODAY THAN THEY WERE, >> THE REPRISALS ARE REALLY HEAVIER TODAY THAN THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO.

HEAVIER TODAY THAN THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO.

>> LOUIS CLARK HEADS THE YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO.

>> LOUIS CLARK HEADS THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY >> LOUIS CLARK HEADS THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY PROJECT WHICH HAS REPRESENTED GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY PROJECT WHICH HAS REPRESENTED ABOUT 5,000 WHISTLE BLOWERS, PROJECT WHICH HAS REPRESENTED ABOUT 5,000 WHISTLE BLOWERS, INCLUDING THOMAS DRAKE AND ABOUT 5,000 WHISTLE BLOWERS, INCLUDING THOMAS DRAKE AND EDWARD SNOWDEN.

INCLUDING THOMAS DRAKE AND EDWARD SNOWDEN.

HE'S A FORMER UNITED METHODIST EDWARD SNOWDEN.

HE'S A FORMER UNITED METHODIST PASTOR WHOSE FATHER WAS HE'S A FORMER UNITED METHODIST PASTOR WHOSE FATHER WAS INVESTIGATED WRONGLY FOR PASTOR WHOSE FATHER WAS INVESTIGATED WRONGLY FOR COMMUNIST TIES BY THE FBI AND INVESTIGATED WRONGLY FOR COMMUNIST TIES BY THE FBI AND HIMSELF INVESTIGATED FOR HIS COMMUNIST TIES BY THE FBI AND HIMSELF INVESTIGATED FOR HIS CIVIL RIGHTS WORK.

HIMSELF INVESTIGATED FOR HIS CIVIL RIGHTS WORK.

>> I'M AS PATRIOTIC AS ANY CIVIL RIGHTS WORK.

>> I'M AS PATRIOTIC AS ANY PERSON, I BELIEVE, IN TERMS OF >> I'M AS PATRIOTIC AS ANY PERSON, I BELIEVE, IN TERMS OF MY GOVERNMENT.

PERSON, I BELIEVE, IN TERMS OF MY GOVERNMENT.

BUT I ALSO HAVE A FAITH WHICH MY GOVERNMENT.

BUT I ALSO HAVE A FAITH WHICH SAYS THAT WHEN YOUR GOVERNMENT BUT I ALSO HAVE A FAITH WHICH SAYS THAT WHEN YOUR GOVERNMENT IS WRONG, YOU NEED TO STAB UP SAYS THAT WHEN YOUR GOVERNMENT IS WRONG, YOU NEED TO STAB UP AND CHALLENGE THAT.

IS WRONG, YOU NEED TO STAB UP AND CHALLENGE THAT.

>> P.J.

CROWLEY LEFT THE STATE AND CHALLENGE THAT.

>> P.J.

CROWLEY LEFT THE STATE DEPARTMENT AFTER HE COMPLAIN IN >> P.J.

CROWLEY LEFT THE STATE DEPARTMENT AFTER HE COMPLAIN IN A SPEECH THAT PRIVATE BRADLEY DEPARTMENT AFTER HE COMPLAIN IN A SPEECH THAT PRIVATE BRADLEY MANNING HAD BEEN MISTREATED.

A SPEECH THAT PRIVATE BRADLEY MANNING HAD BEEN MISTREATED.

HE DOES NOT FEEL THE SAME ABOUT MANNING HAD BEEN MISTREATED.

HE DOES NOT FEEL THE SAME ABOUT EDWARD SNOWDEN.

>> WHAT EDWARD SNOWDEN IS EDWARD SNOWDEN.

>> WHAT EDWARD SNOWDEN IS BASICALLY SAYING IS THAT I >> WHAT EDWARD SNOWDEN IS BASICALLY SAYING IS THAT I EDWARD SNOWDEN, I KNOW WHAT'S BASICALLY SAYING IS THAT I EDWARD SNOWDEN, I KNOW WHAT'S BETTER FOR THE UNITED STATES.

EDWARD SNOWDEN, I KNOW WHAT'S BETTER FOR THE UNITED STATES.

I CAN PUT MYSELF EFFECTIVELY IN BETTER FOR THE UNITED STATES.

I CAN PUT MYSELF EFFECTIVELY IN THE ROLE OF CONGRESS.

I CAN PUT MYSELF MORE THE ROLE OF CONGRESS.

I CAN PUT MYSELF MORE EFFECTIVELY IN THE ROLE OF A I CAN PUT MYSELF MORE EFFECTIVELY IN THE ROLE OF A JUDGE.

EFFECTIVELY IN THE ROLE OF A JUDGE.

I DON'T THINK THAT EDWARD JUDGE.

I DON'T THINK THAT EDWARD SNOWDEN HAS THE RIGHT OR THE I DON'T THINK THAT EDWARD SNOWDEN HAS THE RIGHT OR THE EXPERTISE TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF SNOWDEN HAS THE RIGHT OR THE EXPERTISE TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF JUDGMENTS.

EXPERTISE TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF JUDGMENTS.

>> SO WHY THEN DOES A SLIM JUDGMENTS.

>> SO WHY THEN DOES A SLIM MAJORITY OF AMERICANS IN A >> SO WHY THEN DOES A SLIM MAJORITY OF AMERICANS IN A RECENT POLL CONSIDER EDWARD MAJORITY OF AMERICANS IN A RECENT POLL CONSIDER EDWARD SNOWDEN A HERO?

RECENT POLL CONSIDER EDWARD SNOWDEN A HERO?

WHY THE RALLIES IN HIS SUPPORT?

SNOWDEN A HERO?

WHY THE RALLIES IN HIS SUPPORT?

>> I'M OUTRAGED LIKE MOST PEOPLE WHY THE RALLIES IN HIS SUPPORT?

>> I'M OUTRAGED LIKE MOST PEOPLE HERE.

AT THE MASSIVE SURVEILLANCE HERE.

AT THE MASSIVE SURVEILLANCE THAT'S GOING ON AND PEOPLE JUST AT THE MASSIVE SURVEILLANCE THAT'S GOING ON AND PEOPLE JUST DON'T SEEM TO BE UPSET ABOUT IT.

THAT'S GOING ON AND PEOPLE JUST DON'T SEEM TO BE UPSET ABOUT IT.

>> PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE DON'T SEEM TO BE UPSET ABOUT IT.

>> PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY AND I >> PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE INFORMATION CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE INFORMATION COLLECTED ON YOU BY GOOGLE OR WOULD ARGUE THAT THE INFORMATION COLLECTED ON YOU BY GOOGLE OR YAHOO OR AMAZON IS MUCH, MUCH COLLECTED ON YOU BY GOOGLE OR YAHOO OR AMAZON IS MUCH, MUCH GREATER THAN ANY EXPOSURE YOU YAHOO OR AMAZON IS MUCH, MUCH GREATER THAN ANY EXPOSURE YOU MIGHT HAVE FROM NSA TRYING TO GREATER THAN ANY EXPOSURE YOU MIGHT HAVE FROM NSA TRYING TO PREVENT TERRORISM.

MIGHT HAVE FROM NSA TRYING TO PREVENT TERRORISM.

>> HERE IN WASHINGTON WE HAVE A PREVENT TERRORISM.

>> HERE IN WASHINGTON WE HAVE A POLITICAL NARRATIVE THAT ACTS OF >> HERE IN WASHINGTON WE HAVE A POLITICAL NARRATIVE THAT ACTS OF TERRORISM ARE PREVENTABLE.

POLITICAL NARRATIVE THAT ACTS OF TERRORISM ARE PREVENTABLE.

WE HAD THAT DEBATE AFTER 9/11.

TERRORISM ARE PREVENTABLE.

WE HAD THAT DEBATE AFTER 9/11.

SO IF WE TREAT ACTS OF TERRORISM WE HAD THAT DEBATE AFTER 9/11.

SO IF WE TREAT ACTS OF TERRORISM AS FAILURES, THEN WHAT WE'RE SO IF WE TREAT ACTS OF TERRORISM AS FAILURES, THEN WHAT WE'RE SAYING TO THE INTELLIGENT AS FAILURES, THEN WHAT WE'RE SAYING TO THE INTELLIGENT COMMUNITY, YOU'VE GOT TO DO SAYING TO THE INTELLIGENT COMMUNITY, YOU'VE GOT TO DO WHATEVER YOU'VE GOT TO DO.

COMMUNITY, YOU'VE GOT TO DO WHATEVER YOU'VE GOT TO DO.

>> HAVE WE GIVEN UP TOO MUCH OF WHATEVER YOU'VE GOT TO DO.

>> HAVE WE GIVEN UP TOO MUCH OF OUR PRIVACY RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS >> HAVE WE GIVEN UP TOO MUCH OF OUR PRIVACY RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS IN THE 12 YEARS SINCE 9/11 IN OUR PRIVACY RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS IN THE 12 YEARS SINCE 9/11 IN THE NAME OF NATIONAL SECURITY?

IN THE 12 YEARS SINCE 9/11 IN THE NAME OF NATIONAL SECURITY?

>> WHAT DO YOU GET BY THE THE NAME OF NATIONAL SECURITY?

>> WHAT DO YOU GET BY THE SNOWDEN REVELATIONS?

AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE SNOWDEN REVELATIONS?

AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE DEBATE IS USEFUL.

BUT AT WHAT COST?

DEBATE IS USEFUL.

BUT AT WHAT COST?

I THINK WE STILL HAVE TO FIGURE BUT AT WHAT COST?

I THINK WE STILL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

>> FOR NOW, A STAND-OFF.

THAT OUT.

>> FOR NOW, A STAND-OFF.

SNOWDEN SAYS HE WON'T COME HOME >> FOR NOW, A STAND-OFF.

SNOWDEN SAYS HE WON'T COME HOME IF HE'S GOING TO BE PROSECUTED.

SO IT IS UNLIKELY HE'LL BE IF HE'S GOING TO BE PROSECUTED.

SO IT IS UNLIKELY HE'LL BE COMING HOME ANY TIME SOON.

FOR RELIGION & ETHICS COMING HOME ANY TIME SOON.

FOR RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY, I'M LUCKY SEVERSON FOR RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY, I'M LUCKY SEVERSON IN WASHINGTON.

NEWSWEEKLY, I'M LUCKY SEVERSON IN WASHINGTON.

>>> IT WAS ONE YEAR AGO THIS IN WASHINGTON.

>>> IT WAS ONE YEAR AGO THIS WEEK THAT POPE BENEDICT XVI >>> IT WAS ONE YEAR AGO THIS WEEK THAT POPE BENEDICT XVI SHOCKED THE WORLD BY ANNOUNCING WEEK THAT POPE BENEDICT XVI SHOCKED THE WORLD BY ANNOUNCING HIS RESIGNATION.

SHOCKED THE WORLD BY ANNOUNCING HIS RESIGNATION.

HE WAS THE FIRST POPE IN THE HIS RESIGNATION.

HE WAS THE FIRST POPE IN THE MODERN ERA TO RESIGN.

A YEAR LATER THE RETIRED POPE IS MODERN ERA TO RESIGN.

A YEAR LATER THE RETIRED POPE IS SAID TO BE IN GOOD SPIRITS AND A YEAR LATER THE RETIRED POPE IS SAID TO BE IN GOOD SPIRITS AND AT PEACE WITH HIS LEGACY.

SAID TO BE IN GOOD SPIRITS AND AT PEACE WITH HIS LEGACY.

HIS PERSONAL SECRETARY, AT PEACE WITH HIS LEGACY.

HIS PERSONAL SECRETARY, ARCHBISHOP GEORG GANSWEIN SAID HIS PERSONAL SECRETARY, ARCHBISHOP GEORG GANSWEIN SAID BENEDICT HAS NO REGRETS ABOUT ARCHBISHOP GEORG GANSWEIN SAID BENEDICT HAS NO REGRETS ABOUT HIS FREQUENTLY CRITICIZED PAPACY BENEDICT HAS NO REGRETS ABOUT HIS FREQUENTLY CRITICIZED PAPACY AND THAT HE CONSIDERS IT HIS HIS FREQUENTLY CRITICIZED PAPACY AND THAT HE CONSIDERS IT HIS MISSION TO SUPPORT POPE FRANCIS AND THAT HE CONSIDERS IT HIS MISSION TO SUPPORT POPE FRANCIS IN PRAYER.

MISSION TO SUPPORT POPE FRANCIS IN PRAYER.

HE SAID THE TWO ENJOY A GOOD IN PRAYER.

HE SAID THE TWO ENJOY A GOOD RELATIONSHIP AND ARE FREQUENTLY HE SAID THE TWO ENJOY A GOOD RELATIONSHIP AND ARE FREQUENTLY IN TOUCH.

RELATIONSHIP AND ARE FREQUENTLY IN TOUCH.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL SOON IN TOUCH.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL SOON GRANT THE SAME RIGHTS AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL SOON GRANT THE SAME RIGHTS AND BENEFITS TO GAY MARRIED COUPLES GRANT THE SAME RIGHTS AND BENEFITS TO GAY MARRIED COUPLES AS IT DOES TO HETEROSEXUAL BENEFITS TO GAY MARRIED COUPLES AS IT DOES TO HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES.

AS IT DOES TO HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES.

THE NEW POLICY ANNOUNCED THIS COUPLES.

THE NEW POLICY ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK WILL GIVE SAME SEX THE NEW POLICY ANNOUNCED THIS WEEK WILL GIVE SAME SEX MARRIAGES, QUOTE, FULL AND EQUAL WEEK WILL GIVE SAME SEX MARRIAGES, QUOTE, FULL AND EQUAL RECOGNITION TO THE GREATEST MARRIAGES, QUOTE, FULL AND EQUAL RECOGNITION TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE UNDER THE LAW.

RECOGNITION TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE UNDER THE LAW.

GAY RIGHTS GROUPS WELCOME THE EXTENT POSSIBLE UNDER THE LAW.

GAY RIGHTS GROUPS WELCOME THE CHANGES BUT CRITICS INCLUDING GAY RIGHTS GROUPS WELCOME THE CHANGES BUT CRITICS INCLUDING THE FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL SAID CHANGES BUT CRITICS INCLUDING THE FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL SAID THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS THE FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL SAID THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS OVERSTEPPING ITS BOUNDS BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS OVERSTEPPING ITS BOUNDS BECAUSE MANY STATES STILL DON'T OVERSTEPPING ITS BOUNDS BECAUSE MANY STATES STILL DON'T RECOGNIZE SAME SEX MARRIAGES.

MANY STATES STILL DON'T RECOGNIZE SAME SEX MARRIAGES.

>>> THE CHURCH TRIAL OF A RECOGNIZE SAME SEX MARRIAGES.

>>> THE CHURCH TRIAL OF A PROMINENT UNITED METHODIST >>> THE CHURCH TRIAL OF A PROMINENT UNITED METHODIST PASTOR WHO PERFORMED HIS SON'S PROMINENT UNITED METHODIST PASTOR WHO PERFORMED HIS SON'S SAME SEX WEDDING HAS BEEN PASTOR WHO PERFORMED HIS SON'S SAME SEX WEDDING HAS BEEN INDEFINITELY POSTPONED.

SAME SEX WEDDING HAS BEEN INDEFINITELY POSTPONED.

REVEREND THOMAS OGLE TREE WHO IS INDEFINITELY POSTPONED.

REVEREND THOMAS OGLE TREE WHO IS THE RETIRED DEAN OF YALE REVEREND THOMAS OGLE TREE WHO IS THE RETIRED DEAN OF YALE DIVINITY SCHOOL WAS SET TO FACE THE RETIRED DEAN OF YALE DIVINITY SCHOOL WAS SET TO FACE TRIAL ON MARCH 10th FOR DIVINITY SCHOOL WAS SET TO FACE TRIAL ON MARCH 10th FOR VIOLATING CHURCH LAW.

TRIAL ON MARCH 10th FOR VIOLATING CHURCH LAW.

BUT NOW ALL PARTIES HAVE SAID VIOLATING CHURCH LAW.

BUT NOW ALL PARTIES HAVE SAID THEY WILL PURSUE A, QUOTE, JUST BUT NOW ALL PARTIES HAVE SAID THEY WILL PURSUE A, QUOTE, JUST RESOLUTION BEFORE RESORTING TO A THEY WILL PURSUE A, QUOTE, JUST RESOLUTION BEFORE RESORTING TO A TRIAL.

RESOLUTION BEFORE RESORTING TO A TRIAL.

MANY UNITED METHODISTS HAVE BEEN TRIAL.

MANY UNITED METHODISTS HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR AN TOENLD SUCH MANY UNITED METHODISTS HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR AN TOENLD SUCH TRIALS.

CALLING FOR AN TOENLD SUCH TRIALS.

IN NOVEMBER, PENNSYLVANIA PASTOR TRIALS.

IN NOVEMBER, PENNSYLVANIA PASTOR FRANK SCHAEFER WAS FOUND GUILTY IN NOVEMBER, PENNSYLVANIA PASTOR FRANK SCHAEFER WAS FOUND GUILTY AND DEFROCKED FOR OFFICIATING AT FRANK SCHAEFER WAS FOUND GUILTY AND DEFROCKED FOR OFFICIATING AT HIS SON'S GAY WEDDING.

AND DEFROCKED FOR OFFICIATING AT HIS SON'S GAY WEDDING.

>>> FINALLY, ABRAHAM FOXMAN IS HIS SON'S GAY WEDDING.

>>> FINALLY, ABRAHAM FOXMAN IS RETIRING.

NEXT YEAR AFTER 27 YEARS AS RETIRING.

NEXT YEAR AFTER 27 YEARS AS NATIONAL DIRECTOR OF THE NEXT YEAR AFTER 27 YEARS AS NATIONAL DIRECTOR OF THE ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE.

NATIONAL DIRECTOR OF THE ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE.

AT THE ADL, THE OUTSPOKEN ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE.

AT THE ADL, THE OUTSPOKEN HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR HAS FOUGHT AT THE ADL, THE OUTSPOKEN HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR HAS FOUGHT ANTI-SEMITISM AND OTHER FORM OF HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR HAS FOUGHT ANTI-SEMITISM AND OTHER FORM OF INTOLERANCE.

ANTI-SEMITISM AND OTHER FORM OF INTOLERANCE.

HE BECAME ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S INTOLERANCE.

HE BECAME ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S MOST PROMINENT JEWISH LEADERS.

AS A CHILD DURING WORLD WAR II, MOST PROMINENT JEWISH LEADERS.

AS A CHILD DURING WORLD WAR II, FOXMAN WAS SEPARATED FROM HIS AS A CHILD DURING WORLD WAR II, FOXMAN WAS SEPARATED FROM HIS POLISH PARENTS BUT HE WAS FOXMAN WAS SEPARATED FROM HIS POLISH PARENTS BUT HE WAS PROTECTED, CARED FOR AND POLISH PARENTS BUT HE WAS PROTECTED, CARED FOR AND BAPTIZED BY CATHOLICS.

PROTECTED, CARED FOR AND BAPTIZED BY CATHOLICS.

"THE NEW YORK TIMES" QUOTED HIM BAPTIZED BY CATHOLICS.

"THE NEW YORK TIMES" QUOTED HIM THIS WEEK AS HAVING SAID THAT "THE NEW YORK TIMES" QUOTED HIM THIS WEEK AS HAVING SAID THAT THE ADL "PROVIDED ME WITH A THIS WEEK AS HAVING SAID THAT THE ADL "PROVIDED ME WITH A PLATFORM TO DEAL WITH THE TWO THE ADL "PROVIDED ME WITH A PLATFORM TO DEAL WITH THE TWO THINGS THAT FORMED MY LIFETIME.

PLATFORM TO DEAL WITH THE TWO THINGS THAT FORMED MY LIFETIME.

THE BIGOTRY WHICH ALMOST THINGS THAT FORMED MY LIFETIME.

THE BIGOTRY WHICH ALMOST DESTROYED ME, AND THE HUMAN LOVE THE BIGOTRY WHICH ALMOST DESTROYED ME, AND THE HUMAN LOVE AND COMPASSION WHICH SAVED ME."

DESTROYED ME, AND THE HUMAN LOVE AND COMPASSION WHICH SAVED ME."

>>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

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