Look Back 2013

>>> COMING UP -- OUR ANNUAL LOOK >>> COMING UP -- OUR ANNUAL LOOK BACK AT THE TOP "RELIGION AND >>> COMING UP -- OUR ANNUAL LOOK BACK AT THE TOP "RELIGION AND RETIREMENT BACK AT THE TOP "RELIGION AND RETIREMENT PRODUCTS.

RETIREMENT PRODUCTS.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE YOUR RETIREMENT PRODUCTS.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE YOUR RETIREMENT COMPANY.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE YOUR RETIREMENT COMPANY.

>>> WELCOME, I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

COMPANY.

>>> WELCOME, I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US >>> WELCOME, I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US FOR OUR ANNUAL LOOK BACK AT THE IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US FOR OUR ANNUAL LOOK BACK AT THE TOP RELIGION NEWS STORIES OF FOR OUR ANNUAL LOOK BACK AT THE TOP RELIGION NEWS STORIES OF 2013.

TOP RELIGION NEWS STORIES OF 2013.

E.J.

DIONNE IS HERE.

2013.

E.J.

DIONNE IS HERE.

HE IS A SENIOR FELLOW AT THE E.J.

DIONNE IS HERE.

HE IS A SENIOR FELLOW AT THE BROOKINGS INSTITUTION IN HE IS A SENIOR FELLOW AT THE BROOKINGS INSTITUTION IN WASHINGTON, A COLUMNIST FOR "THE BROOKINGS INSTITUTION IN WASHINGTON, A COLUMNIST FOR "THE WASHINGTON POST" AND A PROFESSOR WASHINGTON, A COLUMNIST FOR "THE WASHINGTON POST" AND A PROFESSOR AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY.

WASHINGTON POST" AND A PROFESSOR AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY.

KEVIN ECKSTROM IS THE AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY.

KEVIN ECKSTROM IS THE EDITOR-IN-CHIEF OF RELIGION NEWS KEVIN ECKSTROM IS THE EDITOR-IN-CHIEF OF RELIGION NEWS SERVICE.

EDITOR-IN-CHIEF OF RELIGION NEWS SERVICE.

AND KIM LAWTON IS MANAGING SERVICE.

AND KIM LAWTON IS MANAGING EDITOR OF "RELIGION & ETHICS AND KIM LAWTON IS MANAGING EDITOR OF "RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY."

EDITOR OF "RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY."

AS PREPARATION FOR OUR NEWSWEEKLY."

AS PREPARATION FOR OUR DISCUSSION, HERE IS KIM'S SURVEY AS PREPARATION FOR OUR DISCUSSION, HERE IS KIM'S SURVEY OF THE MAJOR RELIGION STORIES OF DISCUSSION, HERE IS KIM'S SURVEY OF THE MAJOR RELIGION STORIES OF THE PAST YEAR.

OF THE MAJOR RELIGION STORIES OF THE PAST YEAR.

>>> LESS THAN SIX WEEKS INTO THE THE PAST YEAR.

>>> LESS THAN SIX WEEKS INTO THE NEW YEAR, POPE BENEDICT XVI MADE >>> LESS THAN SIX WEEKS INTO THE NEW YEAR, POPE BENEDICT XVI MADE THE STUNNING ANNOUNCEMENT THAT NEW YEAR, POPE BENEDICT XVI MADE THE STUNNING ANNOUNCEMENT THAT HE HAD DECIDED TO RESIGN.

THE STUNNING ANNOUNCEMENT THAT HE HAD DECIDED TO RESIGN.

HE WAS THE FIRST POPE TO DO SO HE HAD DECIDED TO RESIGN.

HE WAS THE FIRST POPE TO DO SO IN 600 YEARS.

HE WAS THE FIRST POPE TO DO SO IN 600 YEARS.

THE COLLEGE OF CARDINALS IN 600 YEARS.

THE COLLEGE OF CARDINALS GATHERED IN ROME, AND ON MARCH THE COLLEGE OF CARDINALS GATHERED IN ROME, AND ON MARCH 13th, THE CONCLAVE ELECTED GATHERED IN ROME, AND ON MARCH 13th, THE CONCLAVE ELECTED CARDINAL JORGE MARIO BERGOGLIO 13th, THE CONCLAVE ELECTED CARDINAL JORGE MARIO BERGOGLIO OF ARGENTINA AS THE FIRST LATIN CARDINAL JORGE MARIO BERGOGLIO OF ARGENTINA AS THE FIRST LATIN AMERICAN POPE AND ALSO THE FIRST OF ARGENTINA AS THE FIRST LATIN AMERICAN POPE AND ALSO THE FIRST JESUIT POPE.

AMERICAN POPE AND ALSO THE FIRST JESUIT POPE.

HE CHOSE THE NAME FRANCIS IN JESUIT POPE.

HE CHOSE THE NAME FRANCIS IN HONOR OF SAINT FRANCIS OF HE CHOSE THE NAME FRANCIS IN HONOR OF SAINT FRANCIS OF ASSISI.

HONOR OF SAINT FRANCIS OF ASSISI.

POPE FRANCIS PROCEEDED TO SHAKE ASSISI.

POPE FRANCIS PROCEEDED TO SHAKE UP THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WITH A POPE FRANCIS PROCEEDED TO SHAKE UP THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WITH A NEW TONE OF OPENNESS AND UP THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WITH A NEW TONE OF OPENNESS AND EMPHASIS ON SIMPLICITY AND NEW TONE OF OPENNESS AND EMPHASIS ON SIMPLICITY AND HUMILITY.

EMPHASIS ON SIMPLICITY AND HUMILITY.

OVER THE PAST YEAR, HE HAS HUMILITY.

OVER THE PAST YEAR, HE HAS STRESSED THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING OVER THE PAST YEAR, HE HAS STRESSED THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING CLOSE TO THE POOR AND STRESSED THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING CLOSE TO THE POOR AND MARGINALIZED, AND HE HAS CLOSE TO THE POOR AND MARGINALIZED, AND HE HAS CRITICIZED SOME CHURCH LEADERS MARGINALIZED, AND HE HAS CRITICIZED SOME CHURCH LEADERS FOR BEING TOO FOCUSED ON A FEW CRITICIZED SOME CHURCH LEADERS FOR BEING TOO FOCUSED ON A FEW ISSUES SUCH AS ABORTION AND GAY FOR BEING TOO FOCUSED ON A FEW ISSUES SUCH AS ABORTION AND GAY MARRIAGE.

ISSUES SUCH AS ABORTION AND GAY MARRIAGE.

HIS MESSAGE HAS RECEIVED STRONG MARRIAGE.

HIS MESSAGE HAS RECEIVED STRONG APPROVAL FROM CATHOLICS AND HIS MESSAGE HAS RECEIVED STRONG APPROVAL FROM CATHOLICS AND NON-CATHOLICS ALIKE, ALTHOUGH APPROVAL FROM CATHOLICS AND NON-CATHOLICS ALIKE, ALTHOUGH SOME CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN NON-CATHOLICS ALIKE, ALTHOUGH SOME CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN CONCERNED THAT HE MAY BE LEADING SOME CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN CONCERNED THAT HE MAY BE LEADING THE CHURCH AWAY FROM TRADITIONAL CONCERNED THAT HE MAY BE LEADING THE CHURCH AWAY FROM TRADITIONAL STANDS.

THE CHURCH AWAY FROM TRADITIONAL STANDS.

>>> ISSUES SURROUNDING STANDS.

>>> ISSUES SURROUNDING HOMOSEXUALITY CONTINUED TO >>> ISSUES SURROUNDING HOMOSEXUALITY CONTINUED TO DIVIDE MANY U.S.

CHURCHES.

HOMOSEXUALITY CONTINUED TO DIVIDE MANY U.S.

CHURCHES.

IN 2013, SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WAS DIVIDE MANY U.S.

CHURCHES.

IN 2013, SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WAS LEGALIZED IN EIGHT MORE STATES, IN 2013, SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WAS LEGALIZED IN EIGHT MORE STATES, BRINGING THE TOTAL NUMBER TO 17.

LEGALIZED IN EIGHT MORE STATES, BRINGING THE TOTAL NUMBER TO 17.

TENSIONS WERE HEIGHTENED WHEN BRINGING THE TOTAL NUMBER TO 17.

TENSIONS WERE HEIGHTENED WHEN THE SUPREME COURT STRUCK DOWN TENSIONS WERE HEIGHTENED WHEN THE SUPREME COURT STRUCK DOWN THE DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT, THE THE SUPREME COURT STRUCK DOWN THE DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT, THE FEDERAL LAW WHICH DEFINED THE DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT, THE FEDERAL LAW WHICH DEFINED MARRIAGE AS ONLY BETWEEN A MAN FEDERAL LAW WHICH DEFINED MARRIAGE AS ONLY BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.

MARRIAGE AS ONLY BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.

FAITH-BASED SUPPORTERS OF AND A WOMAN.

FAITH-BASED SUPPORTERS OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WERE PLEASED FAITH-BASED SUPPORTERS OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WERE PLEASED BY NEW MOMENTUM ON THE ISSUE, SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WERE PLEASED BY NEW MOMENTUM ON THE ISSUE, WHILE OPPONENTS VOWED TO BY NEW MOMENTUM ON THE ISSUE, WHILE OPPONENTS VOWED TO CONTINUE FIGHTING.

WHILE OPPONENTS VOWED TO CONTINUE FIGHTING.

SOME MAINLINE PROTESTANT CONTINUE FIGHTING.

SOME MAINLINE PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS, INCLUDING THE SOME MAINLINE PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS, INCLUDING THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, FACED DENOMINATIONS, INCLUDING THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, FACED INCREASED PRESSURE TO ALLOW UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, FACED INCREASED PRESSURE TO ALLOW THEIR CLERGY TO OFFICIATE AT GAY INCREASED PRESSURE TO ALLOW THEIR CLERGY TO OFFICIATE AT GAY WEDDINGS.

THEIR CLERGY TO OFFICIATE AT GAY WEDDINGS.

>>> THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT -- WEDDINGS.

>>> THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT -- OBAMACARE -- CONTINUED TO >>> THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT -- OBAMACARE -- CONTINUED TO GENERATE CONTROVERSY.

OBAMACARE -- CONTINUED TO GENERATE CONTROVERSY.

WHILE MANY RELIGIOUS GROUPS GENERATE CONTROVERSY.

WHILE MANY RELIGIOUS GROUPS ARGUED THAT THE NEW HEALTHCARE WHILE MANY RELIGIOUS GROUPS ARGUED THAT THE NEW HEALTHCARE LAW WILL HELP LOW-INCOME PEOPLE, ARGUED THAT THE NEW HEALTHCARE LAW WILL HELP LOW-INCOME PEOPLE, SOME, INCLUDING THE U.S. LAW WILL HELP LOW-INCOME PEOPLE, SOME, INCLUDING THE U.S. CONFERENCE OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS, SOME, INCLUDING THE U.S. CONFERENCE OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS, PUSHED FOR MORE RELIGIOUS CONFERENCE OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS, PUSHED FOR MORE RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS TO THE REQUIREMENT PUSHED FOR MORE RELIGIOUS EXEMPTIONS TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT EMPLOYERS PROVIDE COVERAGE EXEMPTIONS TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT EMPLOYERS PROVIDE COVERAGE FOR CONTRACEPTION.

THAT EMPLOYERS PROVIDE COVERAGE FOR CONTRACEPTION.

A SERIES OF LAWSUITS FILED BY FOR CONTRACEPTION.

A SERIES OF LAWSUITS FILED BY BUSINESSES AND RELIGIOUS A SERIES OF LAWSUITS FILED BY BUSINESSES AND RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS WERE MAKING THEIR BUSINESSES AND RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS WERE MAKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM, INSTITUTIONS WERE MAKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM, WITH THE SUPREME COURT AGREEING WAY THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM, WITH THE SUPREME COURT AGREEING TO HEAR TWO CASES THIS COMING WITH THE SUPREME COURT AGREEING TO HEAR TWO CASES THIS COMING SPRING.

TO HEAR TWO CASES THIS COMING SPRING.

>>> RELIGIOUS GROUPS ACTIVELY SPRING.

>>> RELIGIOUS GROUPS ACTIVELY LOBBIED CONGRESS ON BUDGET >>> RELIGIOUS GROUPS ACTIVELY LOBBIED CONGRESS ON BUDGET ISSUES.

LOBBIED CONGRESS ON BUDGET ISSUES.

A BROAD FAITH COALITION RAISED ISSUES.

A BROAD FAITH COALITION RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT HOW A BROAD FAITH COALITION RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT HOW SEQUESTRATION, FUNDING CUTS AND CONCERNS ABOUT HOW SEQUESTRATION, FUNDING CUTS AND THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN WERE SEQUESTRATION, FUNDING CUTS AND THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN WERE HURTING VULNERABLE FAMILIES AND THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN WERE HURTING VULNERABLE FAMILIES AND THE POOR.

HURTING VULNERABLE FAMILIES AND THE POOR.

MANY URGED NEW POLICIES TO THE POOR.

MANY URGED NEW POLICIES TO ADDRESS GROWING ECONOMIC MANY URGED NEW POLICIES TO ADDRESS GROWING ECONOMIC INEQUALITY.

ADDRESS GROWING ECONOMIC INEQUALITY.

SOME RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES INEQUALITY.

SOME RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES MAINTAINED SUPPORT FOR BUDGET SOME RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES MAINTAINED SUPPORT FOR BUDGET CUTS AS A MORAL ISSUE.

MAINTAINED SUPPORT FOR BUDGET CUTS AS A MORAL ISSUE.

>>> THERE WERE ALSO FAITH-BASED CUTS AS A MORAL ISSUE.

>>> THERE WERE ALSO FAITH-BASED MOBILIZATIONS IN SUPPORT OF >>> THERE WERE ALSO FAITH-BASED MOBILIZATIONS IN SUPPORT OF COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM MOBILIZATIONS IN SUPPORT OF COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM AND NEW GUN CONTROL COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM AND NEW GUN CONTROL RESTRICTIONS, ALTHOUGH AND NEW GUN CONTROL RESTRICTIONS, ALTHOUGH LEGISLATION ON BOTH WAS STALLED RESTRICTIONS, ALTHOUGH LEGISLATION ON BOTH WAS STALLED IN CONGRESS.

LEGISLATION ON BOTH WAS STALLED IN CONGRESS.

IN THE WAKE OF THE DEADLY IN CONGRESS.

IN THE WAKE OF THE DEADLY BOMBING AT THE BOSTON MARATHON, IN THE WAKE OF THE DEADLY BOMBING AT THE BOSTON MARATHON, INTERFAITH LEADERS PLEDGED A NEW BOMBING AT THE BOSTON MARATHON, INTERFAITH LEADERS PLEDGED A NEW COMMITMENT TO UNITY.

INTERFAITH LEADERS PLEDGED A NEW COMMITMENT TO UNITY.

NEWS THAT THE ALLEGED COMMITMENT TO UNITY.

NEWS THAT THE ALLEGED PERPETRATORS WERE MUSLIMS NEWS THAT THE ALLEGED PERPETRATORS WERE MUSLIMS REIGNITED QUESTIONS ABOUT ONLINE PERPETRATORS WERE MUSLIMS REIGNITED QUESTIONS ABOUT ONLINE RADICALIZATION OF YOUNG AMERICAN REIGNITED QUESTIONS ABOUT ONLINE RADICALIZATION OF YOUNG AMERICAN MUSLIMS.

RADICALIZATION OF YOUNG AMERICAN MUSLIMS.

SOME U.S. ISLAMIC LEADERS ALSO MUSLIMS.

SOME U.S. ISLAMIC LEADERS ALSO CRITICIZED ONGOING SOME U.S. ISLAMIC LEADERS ALSO CRITICIZED ONGOING DISCRIMINATION AGAINST THEIR CRITICIZED ONGOING DISCRIMINATION AGAINST THEIR COMMUNITY, INCLUDING FBI SPYING DISCRIMINATION AGAINST THEIR COMMUNITY, INCLUDING FBI SPYING ON MOSQUES.

COMMUNITY, INCLUDING FBI SPYING ON MOSQUES.

>>> THE CONFLICT IN SYRIA, ON MOSQUES.

>>> THE CONFLICT IN SYRIA, INCLUDING ALLEGATIONS OF THE USE >>> THE CONFLICT IN SYRIA, INCLUDING ALLEGATIONS OF THE USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS, GENERATED INCLUDING ALLEGATIONS OF THE USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS, GENERATED AN ETHICAL DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS, GENERATED AN ETHICAL DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY HAD AN ETHICAL DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY HAD AN OBLIGATION TO INTERVENE, WITH THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY HAD AN OBLIGATION TO INTERVENE, WITH FORCE, IN ORDER TO PROTECT AN OBLIGATION TO INTERVENE, WITH FORCE, IN ORDER TO PROTECT CIVILIANS.

FORCE, IN ORDER TO PROTECT CIVILIANS.

THE ONGOING VIOLENCE CREATED A CIVILIANS.

THE ONGOING VIOLENCE CREATED A HUMANITARIAN CATASTROPHE.

THE ONGOING VIOLENCE CREATED A HUMANITARIAN CATASTROPHE.

ACCORDING TO THE UNITED NATIONS, HUMANITARIAN CATASTROPHE.

ACCORDING TO THE UNITED NATIONS, ABOUT ONE-THIRD OF SYRIA'S ACCORDING TO THE UNITED NATIONS, ABOUT ONE-THIRD OF SYRIA'S POPULATION HAS BEEN DISPLACED, ABOUT ONE-THIRD OF SYRIA'S POPULATION HAS BEEN DISPLACED, 4 MILLION PEOPLE INSIDE THAT POPULATION HAS BEEN DISPLACED, 4 MILLION PEOPLE INSIDE THAT NATION AND ANOTHER 2 MILLION TO 4 MILLION PEOPLE INSIDE THAT NATION AND ANOTHER 2 MILLION TO OTHER COUNTRIES, MAKING IT ONE NATION AND ANOTHER 2 MILLION TO OTHER COUNTRIES, MAKING IT ONE OF THE WORST REFUGEE CRISES IN OTHER COUNTRIES, MAKING IT ONE OF THE WORST REFUGEE CRISES IN HISTORY.

OF THE WORST REFUGEE CRISES IN HISTORY.

MEANWHILE, FAITH-BASED RELIEF HISTORY.

MEANWHILE, FAITH-BASED RELIEF GROUPS ALSO MOBILIZED TO HELP MEANWHILE, FAITH-BASED RELIEF GROUPS ALSO MOBILIZED TO HELP VICTIMS OF THE MASSIVE TYPHOON GROUPS ALSO MOBILIZED TO HELP VICTIMS OF THE MASSIVE TYPHOON HAIYAN IN THE PHILIPPINES, VICTIMS OF THE MASSIVE TYPHOON HAIYAN IN THE PHILIPPINES, ALTHOUGH MANY WERE FRUSTRATED AT HAIYAN IN THE PHILIPPINES, ALTHOUGH MANY WERE FRUSTRATED AT THE PACE OF DONATIONS FOR THEIR ALTHOUGH MANY WERE FRUSTRATED AT THE PACE OF DONATIONS FOR THEIR WORK.

THE PACE OF DONATIONS FOR THEIR WORK.

>>> SECTARIAN VIOLENCE WAS ON WORK.

>>> SECTARIAN VIOLENCE WAS ON THE RISE IN MANY PARTS OF THE >>> SECTARIAN VIOLENCE WAS ON THE RISE IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD BETWEEN SUNNIS AND SHIITES THE RISE IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD BETWEEN SUNNIS AND SHIITES IN IRAQ, MUSLIMS AND BUDDHISTS WORLD BETWEEN SUNNIS AND SHIITES IN IRAQ, MUSLIMS AND BUDDHISTS IN MYANMAR, AND CHRISTIANS AND IN IRAQ, MUSLIMS AND BUDDHISTS IN MYANMAR, AND CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS IN NIGERIA AND THE IN MYANMAR, AND CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS IN NIGERIA AND THE CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC.

MUSLIMS IN NIGERIA AND THE CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC.

IN SEVERAL PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIM CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC.

IN SEVERAL PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIM COUNTRIES, THERE WERE ATTACKS IN SEVERAL PREDOMINANTLY MUSLIM COUNTRIES, THERE WERE ATTACKS AGAINST THE CHRISTIAN MINORITY, COUNTRIES, THERE WERE ATTACKS AGAINST THE CHRISTIAN MINORITY, INCLUDING THOSE IN PAKISTAN AND AGAINST THE CHRISTIAN MINORITY, INCLUDING THOSE IN PAKISTAN AND EGYPT.

INCLUDING THOSE IN PAKISTAN AND EGYPT.

>>> A SURVEY BY THE PEW RESEARCH EGYPT.

>>> A SURVEY BY THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER DREW ATTENTION TO THE >>> A SURVEY BY THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER DREW ATTENTION TO THE CHANGING NATURE OF JEWISH CENTER DREW ATTENTION TO THE CHANGING NATURE OF JEWISH IDENTITY IN AMERICA, TRENDS THAT CHANGING NATURE OF JEWISH IDENTITY IN AMERICA, TRENDS THAT WERE ESPECIALLY PRONOUNCED AMONG IDENTITY IN AMERICA, TRENDS THAT WERE ESPECIALLY PRONOUNCED AMONG MILLENNIALS.

WERE ESPECIALLY PRONOUNCED AMONG MILLENNIALS.

AMONG THE FINDINGS: ALMOST A MILLENNIALS.

AMONG THE FINDINGS: ALMOST A QUARTER OF JEWS DESCRIBE AMONG THE FINDINGS: ALMOST A QUARTER OF JEWS DESCRIBE THEMSELVES AS HAVING "NO QUARTER OF JEWS DESCRIBE THEMSELVES AS HAVING "NO RELIGION."

THEMSELVES AS HAVING "NO RELIGION."

>>> FINALLY, RELIGION DID WELL RELIGION."

>>> FINALLY, RELIGION DID WELL THIS YEAR IN THE WORLD OF POP >>> FINALLY, RELIGION DID WELL THIS YEAR IN THE WORLD OF POP CULTURE.

THIS YEAR IN THE WORLD OF POP CULTURE.

MUSIC, FILMS AND BOOKS WITH CULTURE.

MUSIC, FILMS AND BOOKS WITH RELIGIOUS THEMES WERE AT THE TOP MUSIC, FILMS AND BOOKS WITH RELIGIOUS THEMES WERE AT THE TOP OF THEIR RESPECTIVE CHARTS ON RELIGIOUS THEMES WERE AT THE TOP OF THEIR RESPECTIVE CHARTS ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS.

OF THEIR RESPECTIVE CHARTS ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS.

POPE FRANCIS, "TIME" MAGAZINE'S NUMEROUS OCCASIONS.

POPE FRANCIS, "TIME" MAGAZINE'S PERSON OF THE YEAR, WAS ALSO POPE FRANCIS, "TIME" MAGAZINE'S PERSON OF THE YEAR, WAS ALSO NAMED THE MOST INFLUENTIAL WORLD PERSON OF THE YEAR, WAS ALSO NAMED THE MOST INFLUENTIAL WORLD LEADER ON TWITTER, AND THE NAMED THE MOST INFLUENTIAL WORLD LEADER ON TWITTER, AND THE MOST-TALKED ABOUT PERSON ON LEADER ON TWITTER, AND THE MOST-TALKED ABOUT PERSON ON FACEBOOK.

MOST-TALKED ABOUT PERSON ON FACEBOOK.

>> KIM, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

FACEBOOK.

>> KIM, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE >> KIM, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE THAT POPE FRANCIS IS EVERYBODY'S I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE THAT POPE FRANCIS IS EVERYBODY'S RUNAWAY FIRST CHOICE FOR THAT POPE FRANCIS IS EVERYBODY'S RUNAWAY FIRST CHOICE FOR WHATEVER THE DESIGNATION IS.

RUNAWAY FIRST CHOICE FOR WHATEVER THE DESIGNATION IS.

E.J., WHAT DO YOU SEE?

WHATEVER THE DESIGNATION IS.

E.J., WHAT DO YOU SEE?

>> WELL, I THINK, AS KIM SHOWED E.J., WHAT DO YOU SEE?

>> WELL, I THINK, AS KIM SHOWED IN HER GREAT PIECE, HIS IMPACT >> WELL, I THINK, AS KIM SHOWED IN HER GREAT PIECE, HIS IMPACT OBVIOUSLY IS ENORMOUS ON THE IN HER GREAT PIECE, HIS IMPACT OBVIOUSLY IS ENORMOUS ON THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, BUT I THINK OBVIOUSLY IS ENORMOUS ON THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO ENORMOUS OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO ENORMOUS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH.

IT'S ALSO ENORMOUS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH.

HE IS ALREADY BEING COMPARED TO CHURCH.

HE IS ALREADY BEING COMPARED TO POPE JOHN XXIII AS A GREAT HE IS ALREADY BEING COMPARED TO POPE JOHN XXIII AS A GREAT REFORMER.

POPE JOHN XXIII AS A GREAT REFORMER.

JOHN XXIII WHO CALLED THE SECOND REFORMER.

JOHN XXIII WHO CALLED THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL AND WHO JOHN XXIII WHO CALLED THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL AND WHO SIGNIFICANTLY WAS LIFTED UP TO VATICAN COUNCIL AND WHO SIGNIFICANTLY WAS LIFTED UP TO RAPID SAINTHOOD BY POPE FRANCIS.

SIGNIFICANTLY WAS LIFTED UP TO RAPID SAINTHOOD BY POPE FRANCIS.

HE IS CALLING ON CATHOLICS TO RAPID SAINTHOOD BY POPE FRANCIS.

HE IS CALLING ON CATHOLICS TO EMBRACE THE POOR AND TO MAKE HE IS CALLING ON CATHOLICS TO EMBRACE THE POOR AND TO MAKE POVERTY A CENTRAL PART, A EMBRACE THE POOR AND TO MAKE POVERTY A CENTRAL PART, A CONCERN ABOUT POVERTY, A CENTRAL POVERTY A CENTRAL PART, A CONCERN ABOUT POVERTY, A CENTRAL PART OF THE CATHOLIC MESSAGE.

CONCERN ABOUT POVERTY, A CENTRAL PART OF THE CATHOLIC MESSAGE.

HE HAS BEEN SO STRONG ON SOCIAL PART OF THE CATHOLIC MESSAGE.

HE HAS BEEN SO STRONG ON SOCIAL JUSTICE IN HIS CRITIQUE ON HE HAS BEEN SO STRONG ON SOCIAL JUSTICE IN HIS CRITIQUE ON TRICKLEDOWN ECONOMICS THAT HE JUSTICE IN HIS CRITIQUE ON TRICKLEDOWN ECONOMICS THAT HE WAS CRITICIZED BY RUSH LIMBAUGH TRICKLEDOWN ECONOMICS THAT HE WAS CRITICIZED BY RUSH LIMBAUGH AS A MARXIST.

WAS CRITICIZED BY RUSH LIMBAUGH AS A MARXIST.

BUT I THINK ON THE RELIGIOUS AS A MARXIST.

BUT I THINK ON THE RELIGIOUS SCALE HE IS ALSO PREACHING, AND BUT I THINK ON THE RELIGIOUS SCALE HE IS ALSO PREACHING, AND THIS MAY BE AN ODD TERM FOR A SCALE HE IS ALSO PREACHING, AND THIS MAY BE AN ODD TERM FOR A HEAD OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC THIS MAY BE AN ODD TERM FOR A HEAD OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, AN ALMOST UNDOGMATIC HEAD OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, AN ALMOST UNDOGMATIC UNIVERSALISM WHERE HE TALKS CHURCH, AN ALMOST UNDOGMATIC UNIVERSALISM WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT SEEING GOD IN EVERYONE, UNIVERSALISM WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT SEEING GOD IN EVERYONE, WHERE HE IS OPEN TO PEOPLE OF ABOUT SEEING GOD IN EVERYONE, WHERE HE IS OPEN TO PEOPLE OF ALL FAITHS AND TO NONBELIEVERS.

WHERE HE IS OPEN TO PEOPLE OF ALL FAITHS AND TO NONBELIEVERS.

AND THEN THE LAST THING IS HOW ALL FAITHS AND TO NONBELIEVERS.

AND THEN THE LAST THING IS HOW HE BEHAVES.

AND THEN THE LAST THING IS HOW HE BEHAVES.

ONE OF THE ODDEST THINGS HE BEHAVES.

ONE OF THE ODDEST THINGS SOMETIMES I THINK IS TO SEE A ONE OF THE ODDEST THINGS SOMETIMES I THINK IS TO SEE A CHRISTIAN ACTUALLY BEHAVE LIKE A SOMETIMES I THINK IS TO SEE A CHRISTIAN ACTUALLY BEHAVE LIKE A CHRISTIAN AND WITH ALL OF HIS CHRISTIAN ACTUALLY BEHAVE LIKE A CHRISTIAN AND WITH ALL OF HIS ACTIONS AND GESTURES HE'S CHRISTIAN AND WITH ALL OF HIS ACTIONS AND GESTURES HE'S SHOWING THAT HE WALKS THIS TALK ACTIONS AND GESTURES HE'S SHOWING THAT HE WALKS THIS TALK IN A SERIOUS WAY.

SHOWING THAT HE WALKS THIS TALK IN A SERIOUS WAY.

>> BUT HAS IT BEEN, KEVIN, HAS IN A SERIOUS WAY.

>> BUT HAS IT BEEN, KEVIN, HAS IT BEEN MORE SYMBOLISM THAN >> BUT HAS IT BEEN, KEVIN, HAS IT BEEN MORE SYMBOLISM THAN ACTUAL CHANGE?

IT BEEN MORE SYMBOLISM THAN ACTUAL CHANGE?

>> WELL, I THINK WITH THIS POPE, ACTUAL CHANGE?

>> WELL, I THINK WITH THIS POPE, BUT CERTAINLY WITH THE PAPACY IN >> WELL, I THINK WITH THIS POPE, BUT CERTAINLY WITH THE PAPACY IN GENERAL, STYLE IS SUBSTANCE.

BUT CERTAINLY WITH THE PAPACY IN GENERAL, STYLE IS SUBSTANCE.

SO YEAH, HE DOES SOME GENERAL, STYLE IS SUBSTANCE.

SO YEAH, HE DOES SOME CHARISMATIC THINGS AND HE'S, YOU SO YEAH, HE DOES SOME CHARISMATIC THINGS AND HE'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COOL AND HE'S, YOU CHARISMATIC THINGS AND HE'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COOL AND HE'S, YOU KNOW, AS KIM MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COOL AND HE'S, YOU KNOW, AS KIM MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, REALLY BIG ON FACEBOOK AND KNOW, AS KIM MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, REALLY BIG ON FACEBOOK AND TWITTER, BUT HE IS, I MEAN, IT KNOW, REALLY BIG ON FACEBOOK AND TWITTER, BUT HE IS, I MEAN, IT IS GENUINE AND I THINK THAT'S TWITTER, BUT HE IS, I MEAN, IT IS GENUINE AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAS CAPTURED PEOPLE'S IS GENUINE AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAS CAPTURED PEOPLE'S IMAGINATION ABOUT HIM.

WHAT HAS CAPTURED PEOPLE'S IMAGINATION ABOUT HIM.

IT'S NOT THAT HE JUST PREACHES IMAGINATION ABOUT HIM.

IT'S NOT THAT HE JUST PREACHES SOMETHING, BUT HE SEEMS TO LIVE IT'S NOT THAT HE JUST PREACHES SOMETHING, BUT HE SEEMS TO LIVE IT.

SOMETHING, BUT HE SEEMS TO LIVE IT.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IT.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE MOST FASCINATING THINGS ABOUT HIM IS AND I THINK ONE OF THE MOST FASCINATING THINGS ABOUT HIM IS THAT HE'S REALLY CHALLENGING THE FASCINATING THINGS ABOUT HIM IS THAT HE'S REALLY CHALLENGING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO REIMAGINE HIS THAT HE'S REALLY CHALLENGING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO REIMAGINE HIS PLACE IN THE WORLD AND HOW IT CATHOLIC CHURCH TO REIMAGINE HIS PLACE IN THE WORLD AND HOW IT SEES ITSELF, BUT ALSO INVITING PLACE IN THE WORLD AND HOW IT SEES ITSELF, BUT ALSO INVITING OUTSIDERS TO TAKE A SORT OF A SEES ITSELF, BUT ALSO INVITING OUTSIDERS TO TAKE A SORT OF A SECOND LOOK AT THE CATHOLIC OUTSIDERS TO TAKE A SORT OF A SECOND LOOK AT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

SECOND LOOK AT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

I MEAN, HE IS A POPE WHO SAID, CHURCH.

I MEAN, HE IS A POPE WHO SAID, "I DON'T BELIEVE IN A CATHOLIC I MEAN, HE IS A POPE WHO SAID, "I DON'T BELIEVE IN A CATHOLIC GOD.

"I DON'T BELIEVE IN A CATHOLIC GOD.

I JUST BELIEVE IN GOD."

GOD.

I JUST BELIEVE IN GOD."

AND HE'S CALLED PROSELYTISM I JUST BELIEVE IN GOD."

AND HE'S CALLED PROSELYTISM SILLY.

AND HE'S CALLED PROSELYTISM SILLY.

SO I MEAN, REALLY REVOLUTIONARY SILLY.

SO I MEAN, REALLY REVOLUTIONARY THINGS THAT THIS POPE IS SAYING.

SO I MEAN, REALLY REVOLUTIONARY THINGS THAT THIS POPE IS SAYING.

>> AND WE SHOULD MENTION THAT THINGS THAT THIS POPE IS SAYING.

>> AND WE SHOULD MENTION THAT SOME OF THAT REVOLUTIONARY >> AND WE SHOULD MENTION THAT SOME OF THAT REVOLUTIONARY CHARACTER IS GENERATING SOME SOME OF THAT REVOLUTIONARY CHARACTER IS GENERATING SOME CONTROVERSY.

CHARACTER IS GENERATING SOME CONTROVERSY.

I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME CONTROVERSY.

I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME CATHOLICS, CONSERVATIVE I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME CATHOLICS, CONSERVATIVE CATHOLICS, WHO ARE A LITTLE CATHOLICS, CONSERVATIVE CATHOLICS, WHO ARE A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE, ANXIOUS WONDERING CATHOLICS, WHO ARE A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE, ANXIOUS WONDERING WHAT'S GOING ON.

UNCOMFORTABLE, ANXIOUS WONDERING WHAT'S GOING ON.

WHEN THIS POPE SAID WE'VE BEEN WHAT'S GOING ON.

WHEN THIS POPE SAID WE'VE BEEN TOO OBSESSED WITH CERTAIN ISSUES WHEN THIS POPE SAID WE'VE BEEN TOO OBSESSED WITH CERTAIN ISSUES LIKE GAY MARRIAGE AND ABORTION, TOO OBSESSED WITH CERTAIN ISSUES LIKE GAY MARRIAGE AND ABORTION, WELL, THAT TROUBLES PEOPLE WHO LIKE GAY MARRIAGE AND ABORTION, WELL, THAT TROUBLES PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT THOSE ISSUES ARE WELL, THAT TROUBLES PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT THOSE ISSUES ARE REALLY IMPORTANT AND THEY SHOULD THINK THAT THOSE ISSUES ARE REALLY IMPORTANT AND THEY SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON.

REALLY IMPORTANT AND THEY SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON.

SO IT'S BEEN INTERESTING TO BE FOCUSED ON.

SO IT'S BEEN INTERESTING TO WATCH THAT.

SO IT'S BEEN INTERESTING TO WATCH THAT.

I THINK MANY CONSERVATIVES LOVE WATCH THAT.

I THINK MANY CONSERVATIVES LOVE THE FACT THAT HE'S MAKING THE I THINK MANY CONSERVATIVES LOVE THE FACT THAT HE'S MAKING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SEEM COOL AGAIN.

THE FACT THAT HE'S MAKING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SEEM COOL AGAIN.

AND YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE IDEA OF CATHOLIC CHURCH SEEM COOL AGAIN.

AND YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE IDEA OF EVANGELIZATION, OF BRINGING AND YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE IDEA OF EVANGELIZATION, OF BRINGING PEOPLE IN, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T EVANGELIZATION, OF BRINGING PEOPLE IN, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE PEOPLE IN, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY COME IN BECAUSE OF HIM, KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE ACTUALLY COME IN BECAUSE OF HIM, BUT THERE IS THIS AGE OF ACTUALLY COME IN BECAUSE OF HIM, BUT THERE IS THIS AGE OF CONTROVERSY AND PEOPLE, SOME BUT THERE IS THIS AGE OF CONTROVERSY AND PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE NOT LIKING WHERE HE'S CONTROVERSY AND PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE NOT LIKING WHERE HE'S TAKING THE CHURCH.

PEOPLE NOT LIKING WHERE HE'S TAKING THE CHURCH.

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S TAKING THE CHURCH.

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

FIRST OF ALL, WHOEVER THOUGHT REALLY IMPORTANT.

FIRST OF ALL, WHOEVER THOUGHT THAT THE TERM "COOL" WOULD BE FIRST OF ALL, WHOEVER THOUGHT THAT THE TERM "COOL" WOULD BE WIDELY APPLIED TO A POPE AND THAT THE TERM "COOL" WOULD BE WIDELY APPLIED TO A POPE AND THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT WIDELY APPLIED TO A POPE AND THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

AND I THINK CONSERVATIVES ARE NOW.

AND I THINK CONSERVATIVES ARE STRUGGLING.

AND I THINK CONSERVATIVES ARE STRUGGLING.

I THINK THERE IS A WHOLE BODY OF STRUGGLING.

I THINK THERE IS A WHOLE BODY OF CONSERVATIVES WHO SAY, "LOOK, HE I THINK THERE IS A WHOLE BODY OF CONSERVATIVES WHO SAY, "LOOK, HE HASN'T THE CHURCH'S VIEW ON CONSERVATIVES WHO SAY, "LOOK, HE HASN'T THE CHURCH'S VIEW ON ABORTION, OR ON GAY MARRIAGE," HASN'T THE CHURCH'S VIEW ON ABORTION, OR ON GAY MARRIAGE," AND YET THERE ARE OTHERS WHO ARE ABORTION, OR ON GAY MARRIAGE," AND YET THERE ARE OTHERS WHO ARE WORRIED BOTH ABOUT SOME OF THE AND YET THERE ARE OTHERS WHO ARE WORRIED BOTH ABOUT SOME OF THE DOCTRINAL QUESTIONS AND CLEARLY WORRIED BOTH ABOUT SOME OF THE DOCTRINAL QUESTIONS AND CLEARLY THE EMPHASIS HAS SHIFTED.

DOCTRINAL QUESTIONS AND CLEARLY THE EMPHASIS HAS SHIFTED.

IT'S REALLY STRIKING.

THE EMPHASIS HAS SHIFTED.

IT'S REALLY STRIKING.

I HAVE FOUND HOW MUCH GAY PEOPLE IT'S REALLY STRIKING.

I HAVE FOUND HOW MUCH GAY PEOPLE HAVE RESPONDED TO THIS POPE, NOT I HAVE FOUND HOW MUCH GAY PEOPLE HAVE RESPONDED TO THIS POPE, NOT BECAUSE HE'S CHANGED THE HAVE RESPONDED TO THIS POPE, NOT BECAUSE HE'S CHANGED THE CHURCH'S FORMAL POSITION, BUT BECAUSE HE'S CHANGED THE CHURCH'S FORMAL POSITION, BUT BECAUSE OF A WELCOMING TONE THAT CHURCH'S FORMAL POSITION, BUT BECAUSE OF A WELCOMING TONE THAT HE'S HAD AND WHOEVER EXPECTED A BECAUSE OF A WELCOMING TONE THAT HE'S HAD AND WHOEVER EXPECTED A POPE TO SAY, OF ANY QUESTION, HE'S HAD AND WHOEVER EXPECTED A POPE TO SAY, OF ANY QUESTION, "WHO AM I TO JUDGE?"

POPE TO SAY, OF ANY QUESTION, "WHO AM I TO JUDGE?"

THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF US THOUGHT "WHO AM I TO JUDGE?"

THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF US THOUGHT A POPE DID FOR A LIVING.

THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF US THOUGHT A POPE DID FOR A LIVING.

>> ALL RIGHT, AND JUST ALONG THE A POPE DID FOR A LIVING.

>> ALL RIGHT, AND JUST ALONG THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT STYLE VERSUS >> ALL RIGHT, AND JUST ALONG THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT STYLE VERSUS SUBSTANCE, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT SAME QUESTION ABOUT STYLE VERSUS SUBSTANCE, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT TONE IS AS EQUALLY AS SUBSTANCE, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT TONE IS AS EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT AND THE TONE OF THIS THAT TONE IS AS EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT AND THE TONE OF THIS PAPACY HAS BEEN ONE OF OPENNESS IMPORTANT AND THE TONE OF THIS PAPACY HAS BEEN ONE OF OPENNESS ON A WHOLE NUMBER OF THINGS BUT PAPACY HAS BEEN ONE OF OPENNESS ON A WHOLE NUMBER OF THINGS BUT ALSO ON DISCUSSION.

ON A WHOLE NUMBER OF THINGS BUT ALSO ON DISCUSSION.

SO EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T ALSO ON DISCUSSION.

SO EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED THE TEACHING ON SAY, SO EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED THE TEACHING ON SAY, ORDAINING WOMEN AS PRIESTS, AND CHANGED THE TEACHING ON SAY, ORDAINING WOMEN AS PRIESTS, AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T, BUT THEY ORDAINING WOMEN AS PRIESTS, AND THEY PROBABLY WON'T, BUT THEY HAVE SAID, "OKAY, WELL, WE CAN THEY PROBABLY WON'T, BUT THEY HAVE SAID, "OKAY, WELL, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT," OR "WE CAN HAVE SAID, "OKAY, WELL, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT," OR "WE CAN TALK ABOUT CELIBACY," AND THIS TALK ABOUT THAT," OR "WE CAN TALK ABOUT CELIBACY," AND THIS IS A DIFFERENT TONE THAN WE'VE TALK ABOUT CELIBACY," AND THIS IS A DIFFERENT TONE THAN WE'VE SEEN IN POPES IN THE RECENT IS A DIFFERENT TONE THAN WE'VE SEEN IN POPES IN THE RECENT PAST.

SEEN IN POPES IN THE RECENT PAST.

>> DO YOU SEE ANY RESPONSE PAST.

>> DO YOU SEE ANY RESPONSE AROUND TO THE IDEA OF, TO HIS >> DO YOU SEE ANY RESPONSE AROUND TO THE IDEA OF, TO HIS EMPHASIS ON, ON THINKING ABOUT AROUND TO THE IDEA OF, TO HIS EMPHASIS ON, ON THINKING ABOUT AND CARING FOR THE POOR?

EMPHASIS ON, ON THINKING ABOUT AND CARING FOR THE POOR?

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TALKING AND CARING FOR THE POOR?

A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS BUT THERE DOESN'T A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS BUT THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE SO MUCH ACTION ABOUT ABOUT THIS BUT THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE SO MUCH ACTION ABOUT IT.

SEEM TO BE SO MUCH ACTION ABOUT IT.

>> WELL, IT'S -- THE IMPORTANT IT.

>> WELL, IT'S -- THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT, YOU >> WELL, IT'S -- THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS PAPACY IS STILL THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS PAPACY IS STILL RELATIVELY YOUNG.

KNOW, THIS PAPACY IS STILL RELATIVELY YOUNG.

NINE MONTHS AND HE'S JUST RELATIVELY YOUNG.

NINE MONTHS AND HE'S JUST GETTING GOING IN A LOT OF WAYS.

NINE MONTHS AND HE'S JUST GETTING GOING IN A LOT OF WAYS.

I THINK WHAT HE HAS DONE, GETTING GOING IN A LOT OF WAYS.

I THINK WHAT HE HAS DONE, THOUGH, IS HE HAS SHIFTED I THINK WHAT HE HAS DONE, THOUGH, IS HE HAS SHIFTED PEOPLE'S CONCEPTION OF THE THOUGH, IS HE HAS SHIFTED PEOPLE'S CONCEPTION OF THE CHURCH FROM A PLACE RULES AND PEOPLE'S CONCEPTION OF THE CHURCH FROM A PLACE RULES AND ENFORCES DOCTRINE, TO A PLACE CHURCH FROM A PLACE RULES AND ENFORCES DOCTRINE, TO A PLACE THAT ACTUALLY SHOULD DO THINGS ENFORCES DOCTRINE, TO A PLACE THAT ACTUALLY SHOULD DO THINGS LIKE CARE FOR THE POOR AND THAT ACTUALLY SHOULD DO THINGS LIKE CARE FOR THE POOR AND COMFORT THE AFFLICTED, AS HE'S LIKE CARE FOR THE POOR AND COMFORT THE AFFLICTED, AS HE'S BEEN DOING ON PUBLIC DISPLAY IN COMFORT THE AFFLICTED, AS HE'S BEEN DOING ON PUBLIC DISPLAY IN ST. PETER'S SQUARE.

BEEN DOING ON PUBLIC DISPLAY IN ST. PETER'S SQUARE.

SO I THINK THERE'S STILL A ST. PETER'S SQUARE.

SO I THINK THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT OF TIME LEFT FOR THAT SO I THINK THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT OF TIME LEFT FOR THAT MESSAGE TO TRANSLATE INTO LITTLE BIT OF TIME LEFT FOR THAT MESSAGE TO TRANSLATE INTO ACTION.

MESSAGE TO TRANSLATE INTO ACTION.

>> ALSO, I THINK THAT ROBERT HIT ACTION.

>> ALSO, I THINK THAT ROBERT HIT THE ROAD IN A POLITICAL SENSE AT >> ALSO, I THINK THAT ROBERT HIT THE ROAD IN A POLITICAL SENSE AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN HE THE ROAD IN A POLITICAL SENSE AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN HE SHOOK UP THE CONGREGATION OF THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN HE SHOOK UP THE CONGREGATION OF BISHOPS AND THAT WAS A VERY SHOOK UP THE CONGREGATION OF BISHOPS AND THAT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT MOVE BECAUSE IT COULD BISHOPS AND THAT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT MOVE BECAUSE IT COULD CHANGE THE KIND OF BISHOPS WHO IMPORTANT MOVE BECAUSE IT COULD CHANGE THE KIND OF BISHOPS WHO GET APPOINTED.

CHANGE THE KIND OF BISHOPS WHO GET APPOINTED.

IN THE FINAL YEARS OF JOHN PAUL, GET APPOINTED.

IN THE FINAL YEARS OF JOHN PAUL, AND ALSO NOT EXCLUSIVELY UNDER IN THE FINAL YEARS OF JOHN PAUL, AND ALSO NOT EXCLUSIVELY UNDER BENEDICT, A FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE AND ALSO NOT EXCLUSIVELY UNDER BENEDICT, A FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE STYLE OF BISHOP WHO FOCUSED MORE BENEDICT, A FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE STYLE OF BISHOP WHO FOCUSED MORE ON ISSUES LIKE ABORTION AND GAY STYLE OF BISHOP WHO FOCUSED MORE ON ISSUES LIKE ABORTION AND GAY MARRIAGE, TENDED TO BE NAMED.

ON ISSUES LIKE ABORTION AND GAY MARRIAGE, TENDED TO BE NAMED.

I THINK WE MAY SEE A DIFFERENT MARRIAGE, TENDED TO BE NAMED.

I THINK WE MAY SEE A DIFFERENT KIND OF BISHOP COME OUT OF THE I THINK WE MAY SEE A DIFFERENT KIND OF BISHOP COME OUT OF THE VATICAN WHICH IN TURN WILL KIND OF BISHOP COME OUT OF THE VATICAN WHICH IN TURN WILL CHANGE THE NATURE OF THE LOCAL VATICAN WHICH IN TURN WILL CHANGE THE NATURE OF THE LOCAL CHURCH AND I THINK, AGAIN, TO GO CHANGE THE NATURE OF THE LOCAL CHURCH AND I THINK, AGAIN, TO GO BACK TO CONSERVATIVES, CHURCH AND I THINK, AGAIN, TO GO BACK TO CONSERVATIVES, CONSERVATIVES CARE ABOUT THE BACK TO CONSERVATIVES, CONSERVATIVES CARE ABOUT THE POOR, TOO, AND I THINK I'VE CONSERVATIVES CARE ABOUT THE POOR, TOO, AND I THINK I'VE SEEN.

POOR, TOO, AND I THINK I'VE SEEN.

AMONG SOME CONSERVATIVES, A REAL SEEN.

AMONG SOME CONSERVATIVES, A REAL EFFORT TO KIND OF GET RIGHT WITH AMONG SOME CONSERVATIVES, A REAL EFFORT TO KIND OF GET RIGHT WITH THE POPE AND SAY, "LET'S EXAMINE EFFORT TO KIND OF GET RIGHT WITH THE POPE AND SAY, "LET'S EXAMINE OURSELVES ON THIS."

THE POPE AND SAY, "LET'S EXAMINE OURSELVES ON THIS."

I ALWAYS THINK THE CATHOLIC OURSELVES ON THIS."

I ALWAYS THINK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH'S JOB IS TO MAKE ALL I ALWAYS THINK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH'S JOB IS TO MAKE ALL CATHOLICS FEEL GUILTY ABOUT CHURCH'S JOB IS TO MAKE ALL CATHOLICS FEEL GUILTY ABOUT SOMETHING, WHICH PROBABLY PROVES CATHOLICS FEEL GUILTY ABOUT SOMETHING, WHICH PROBABLY PROVES I'M A CATHOLIC.

SOMETHING, WHICH PROBABLY PROVES I'M A CATHOLIC.

>> WELL, I MEAN -- I'M A CATHOLIC.

>> WELL, I MEAN -- >> KIM, THIS WAS A -- I'M SORRY.

>> WELL, I MEAN -- >> KIM, THIS WAS A -- I'M SORRY.

THIS WAS A YEAR OF ENORMOUS NEWS >> KIM, THIS WAS A -- I'M SORRY.

THIS WAS A YEAR OF ENORMOUS NEWS REGARDING GAYS AND THE RIGHTS OF THIS WAS A YEAR OF ENORMOUS NEWS REGARDING GAYS AND THE RIGHTS OF GAYS.

REGARDING GAYS AND THE RIGHTS OF GAYS.

>> IT WAS A HUGE WATERSHED YEAR GAYS.

>> IT WAS A HUGE WATERSHED YEAR I THINK ON THE ISSUE ESPECIALLY >> IT WAS A HUGE WATERSHED YEAR I THINK ON THE ISSUE ESPECIALLY OF SAME SEX MARRIAGE.

I THINK ON THE ISSUE ESPECIALLY OF SAME SEX MARRIAGE.

YOU HAD THE U.S. SUPREME COURT OF SAME SEX MARRIAGE.

YOU HAD THE U.S. SUPREME COURT OVERTURNING THE FEDERAL YOU HAD THE U.S. SUPREME COURT OVERTURNING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S DEFINITION OF OVERTURNING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE AS ONLY ONE MAN AND ONE GOVERNMENT'S DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE AS ONLY ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN.

MARRIAGE AS ONLY ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN.

YOU SAW PUBLIC OPINION REALLY WOMAN.

YOU SAW PUBLIC OPINION REALLY CHANGE DRAMATICALLY AND THAT'S YOU SAW PUBLIC OPINION REALLY CHANGE DRAMATICALLY AND THAT'S PUTTING NEW PRESSURE ON CHANGE DRAMATICALLY AND THAT'S PUTTING NEW PRESSURE ON RELIGIOUS GROUPS THAT DON'T PUTTING NEW PRESSURE ON RELIGIOUS GROUPS THAT DON'T SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE, AND THAT'S RELIGIOUS GROUPS THAT DON'T SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE, AND THAT'S BEEN INTERESTING TO WATCH THIS SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE, AND THAT'S BEEN INTERESTING TO WATCH THIS YEAR.

BEEN INTERESTING TO WATCH THIS YEAR.

YOU HAD MAINLINE DENOMINATIONS, YEAR.

YOU HAD MAINLINE DENOMINATIONS, UNITED METHODISTS, DEFROCKING A YOU HAD MAINLINE DENOMINATIONS, UNITED METHODISTS, DEFROCKING A MEMBER OF THE CLERGY FOR UNITED METHODISTS, DEFROCKING A MEMBER OF THE CLERGY FOR OFFICIATING AT A SAME SEX MEMBER OF THE CLERGY FOR OFFICIATING AT A SAME SEX WEDDING, HIS OWN SON'S WEDDING, OFFICIATING AT A SAME SEX WEDDING, HIS OWN SON'S WEDDING, AND I THINK THOSE ISSUES ARE WEDDING, HIS OWN SON'S WEDDING, AND I THINK THOSE ISSUES ARE REALLY TOUGH FOR SOME OF THE AND I THINK THOSE ISSUES ARE REALLY TOUGH FOR SOME OF THE CONSERVATIVE CATHOLICS AND REALLY TOUGH FOR SOME OF THE CONSERVATIVE CATHOLICS AND EVANGELICALS IN PARTICULAR WHO CONSERVATIVE CATHOLICS AND EVANGELICALS IN PARTICULAR WHO DON'T SUPPORT SAME SEX MARRIAGE EVANGELICALS IN PARTICULAR WHO DON'T SUPPORT SAME SEX MARRIAGE BUT THEY'RE WATCHING THE WIDER DON'T SUPPORT SAME SEX MARRIAGE BUT THEY'RE WATCHING THE WIDER CULTURE MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION BUT THEY'RE WATCHING THE WIDER CULTURE MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION AND HOW DO THEY OPERATE?

CULTURE MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION AND HOW DO THEY OPERATE?

AND THAT'S -- THAT'S DIFFICULT.

AND HOW DO THEY OPERATE?

AND THAT'S -- THAT'S DIFFICULT.

IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT FOR THEM AND THAT'S -- THAT'S DIFFICULT.

IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT FOR THEM THIS YEAR, IT'S GONNA BE VERY IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT FOR THEM THIS YEAR, IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT, I THINK IN THE COMING THIS YEAR, IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT, I THINK IN THE COMING YEAR AS WELL.

DIFFICULT, I THINK IN THE COMING YEAR AS WELL.

>> WELL, A LOT OF THINGS I KNOW YEAR AS WELL.

>> WELL, A LOT OF THINGS I KNOW THAT YOU'VE WORKED ON HAVE HAD >> WELL, A LOT OF THINGS I KNOW THAT YOU'VE WORKED ON HAVE HAD TO DO WITH THIS IDEA OF THE THAT YOU'VE WORKED ON HAVE HAD TO DO WITH THIS IDEA OF THE RIGHTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL VERSUS TO DO WITH THIS IDEA OF THE RIGHTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL VERSUS THE RIGHTS OF THE MAJORITY.

RIGHTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL VERSUS THE RIGHTS OF THE MAJORITY.

AND THAT'S CERTAINLY BEEN THE THE RIGHTS OF THE MAJORITY.

AND THAT'S CERTAINLY BEEN THE CASE WITH A LOT OF THESE GAY AND THAT'S CERTAINLY BEEN THE CASE WITH A LOT OF THESE GAY ISSUES.

CASE WITH A LOT OF THESE GAY ISSUES.

>> WELL, THAT'S JUST IT.

ISSUES.

>> WELL, THAT'S JUST IT.

IF YOU HOLD A MINORITY POSITION, >> WELL, THAT'S JUST IT.

IF YOU HOLD A MINORITY POSITION, AND IT'S YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEF, IF YOU HOLD A MINORITY POSITION, AND IT'S YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEF, BUT IT CONFLICTS WITH A CIVIL AND IT'S YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEF, BUT IT CONFLICTS WITH A CIVIL RIGHT, HOW DO YOU, HOW DOES THAT BUT IT CONFLICTS WITH A CIVIL RIGHT, HOW DO YOU, HOW DOES THAT GET WORKED OUT?

RIGHT, HOW DO YOU, HOW DOES THAT GET WORKED OUT?

DO -- YEAH?

GET WORKED OUT?

DO -- YEAH?

>> I THINK THE SHIFT THAT KIM IS DO -- YEAH?

>> I THINK THE SHIFT THAT KIM IS TALKING ABOUT TOWARD GAY >> I THINK THE SHIFT THAT KIM IS TALKING ABOUT TOWARD GAY MARRIAGE IS REAL AND VERY TALKING ABOUT TOWARD GAY MARRIAGE IS REAL AND VERY STRONG.

MARRIAGE IS REAL AND VERY STRONG.

AND I THINK YOU'RE SEEING AN STRONG.

AND I THINK YOU'RE SEEING AN INTERESTING KIND OF UNDER THE AND I THINK YOU'RE SEEING AN INTERESTING KIND OF UNDER THE SURFACE SHIFT GOING ON AMONG INTERESTING KIND OF UNDER THE SURFACE SHIFT GOING ON AMONG SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSED TO SURFACE SHIFT GOING ON AMONG SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSED TO GAY MARRIAGE EARLY ON WHO ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE OPPOSED TO GAY MARRIAGE EARLY ON WHO ARE COMING TO TERMS WITH THE FACT GAY MARRIAGE EARLY ON WHO ARE COMING TO TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT GIVEN THE ATTITUDE OF YOUNG COMING TO TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT GIVEN THE ATTITUDE OF YOUNG PEOPLE ESPECIALLY TOWARD THIS, THAT GIVEN THE ATTITUDE OF YOUNG PEOPLE ESPECIALLY TOWARD THIS, IT IS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE PEOPLE ESPECIALLY TOWARD THIS, IT IS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE CULTURE'S VIEW CHANGES, AND IT IS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THE CULTURE'S VIEW CHANGES, AND SO WHAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON AS THE CULTURE'S VIEW CHANGES, AND SO WHAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON AS TO THIS QUESTION OF RIGHTS IS SO WHAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON AS TO THIS QUESTION OF RIGHTS IS SAYING, OKAY, WHAT WE REALLY TO THIS QUESTION OF RIGHTS IS SAYING, OKAY, WHAT WE REALLY WANT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR SAYING, OKAY, WHAT WE REALLY WANT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RELIGIOUS DENOMINATION, AS LONG WANT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RELIGIOUS DENOMINATION, AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO OPPOSE IT, OUR RELIGIOUS DENOMINATION, AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO OPPOSE IT, OUR RIGHTS, OUR RELIGIOUS RIGHTS ARE AS WE CONTINUE TO OPPOSE IT, OUR RIGHTS, OUR RELIGIOUS RIGHTS ARE EXPECTED, AND I THINK -- AND A RIGHTS, OUR RELIGIOUS RIGHTS ARE EXPECTED, AND I THINK -- AND A LOT OF THE GAY MARRIAGE LAWS EXPECTED, AND I THINK -- AND A LOT OF THE GAY MARRIAGE LAWS THAT WERE PASSED HAD VERY LOT OF THE GAY MARRIAGE LAWS THAT WERE PASSED HAD VERY SPECIFIC PROTECTIONS FOR THOSE THAT WERE PASSED HAD VERY SPECIFIC PROTECTIONS FOR THOSE RIGHTS AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE SPECIFIC PROTECTIONS FOR THOSE RIGHTS AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE DEBATE MAY MOVE AS SUPPORT RIGHTS AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE DEBATE MAY MOVE AS SUPPORT FOR GAY MARRIAGE GROWS.

THE DEBATE MAY MOVE AS SUPPORT FOR GAY MARRIAGE GROWS.

>> AND IT HAS SHOWN UP IN THE, FOR GAY MARRIAGE GROWS.

>> AND IT HAS SHOWN UP IN THE, IN THE OPPOSITION OF THE CHURCH >> AND IT HAS SHOWN UP IN THE, IN THE OPPOSITION OF THE CHURCH TO THE MANDATE IN THE HEALTH IN THE OPPOSITION OF THE CHURCH TO THE MANDATE IN THE HEALTH CARE PROVISIONS, THE MANDATE TO TO THE MANDATE IN THE HEALTH CARE PROVISIONS, THE MANDATE TO PROVIDE CONTRACEPTIVE.

CARE PROVISIONS, THE MANDATE TO PROVIDE CONTRACEPTIVE.

>> CONTRACEPTION COVERAGE.

PROVIDE CONTRACEPTIVE.

>> CONTRACEPTION COVERAGE.

ANOTHER ISSUE OF WHEN RELIGIOUS >> CONTRACEPTION COVERAGE.

ANOTHER ISSUE OF WHEN RELIGIOUS RIGHTS CLASH WITH OTHER, YOU ANOTHER ISSUE OF WHEN RELIGIOUS RIGHTS CLASH WITH OTHER, YOU KNOW, RIGHTS OR RESPONSIBILITIES RIGHTS CLASH WITH OTHER, YOU KNOW, RIGHTS OR RESPONSIBILITIES WHAT HAPPENS AND THAT'S EXACTLY KNOW, RIGHTS OR RESPONSIBILITIES WHAT HAPPENS AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE SAW THIS PAST YEAR, THE WHAT HAPPENS AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE SAW THIS PAST YEAR, THE SUPREME COURT WILL BE TAKING UP WHAT WE SAW THIS PAST YEAR, THE SUPREME COURT WILL BE TAKING UP THE ISSUE WHETHER BUSINESSES SUPREME COURT WILL BE TAKING UP THE ISSUE WHETHER BUSINESSES HAVE RELIGIOUS RIGHTS AND IF THE ISSUE WHETHER BUSINESSES HAVE RELIGIOUS RIGHTS AND IF A -- IF AN OWNER OF A BUSINESS HAVE RELIGIOUS RIGHTS AND IF A -- IF AN OWNER OF A BUSINESS IS RELIGIOUS THEN CAN THAT A -- IF AN OWNER OF A BUSINESS IS RELIGIOUS THEN CAN THAT BUSINESS BE EXEMPTED IN SOME IS RELIGIOUS THEN CAN THAT BUSINESS BE EXEMPTED IN SOME WAY?

BUSINESS BE EXEMPTED IN SOME WAY?

BUT AGAIN, IT'S THIS IDEA OF HOW WAY?

BUT AGAIN, IT'S THIS IDEA OF HOW DO I, YOU KNOW, ENACT MY BUT AGAIN, IT'S THIS IDEA OF HOW DO I, YOU KNOW, ENACT MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AMID A DO I, YOU KNOW, ENACT MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AMID A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, FLYING RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AMID A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, FLYING UPSTREAM OR WHATEVER?

DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, FLYING UPSTREAM OR WHATEVER?

SO IT'S A TOUGH ISSUE.

UPSTREAM OR WHATEVER?

SO IT'S A TOUGH ISSUE.

>> CAN ANY OF YOU EXPLAIN WHY SO IT'S A TOUGH ISSUE.

>> CAN ANY OF YOU EXPLAIN WHY OBAMACARE GOT OFF TO SUCH A >> CAN ANY OF YOU EXPLAIN WHY OBAMACARE GOT OFF TO SUCH A TERRIBLE START?

OBAMACARE GOT OFF TO SUCH A TERRIBLE START?

>> MAYBE THE HOLY SPIRIT.

TERRIBLE START?

>> MAYBE THE HOLY SPIRIT.

I MEAN, THE -- YOU KNOW, I THINK >> MAYBE THE HOLY SPIRIT.

I MEAN, THE -- YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WAS THEY I MEAN, THE -- YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WAS THEY SHOULD HAVE HIRED SOMEBODY TO THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WAS THEY SHOULD HAVE HIRED SOMEBODY TO SIT ATOP THE WHOLE PROCESS, OR A SHOULD HAVE HIRED SOMEBODY TO SIT ATOP THE WHOLE PROCESS, OR A FIRM THAT WAS GOING TO SORT OF SIT ATOP THE WHOLE PROCESS, OR A FIRM THAT WAS GOING TO SORT OF HANDLE THE ENTIRE INTEGRATION OF FIRM THAT WAS GOING TO SORT OF HANDLE THE ENTIRE INTEGRATION OF THIS VERY COMPLICATED WEBSITE.

HANDLE THE ENTIRE INTEGRATION OF THIS VERY COMPLICATED WEBSITE.

YOU ALSO HAD, I DON'T THINK THEY THIS VERY COMPLICATED WEBSITE.

YOU ALSO HAD, I DON'T THINK THEY EXPECTED AS MANY STATES TO OPT YOU ALSO HAD, I DON'T THINK THEY EXPECTED AS MANY STATES TO OPT OUT OF IT, BECAUSE THERE ARE EXPECTED AS MANY STATES TO OPT OUT OF IT, BECAUSE THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL STATES LIKE KENTUCKY OUT OF IT, BECAUSE THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL STATES LIKE KENTUCKY WHERE IT'S WORKED EXTREMELY INDIVIDUAL STATES LIKE KENTUCKY WHERE IT'S WORKED EXTREMELY WELL, BUT I THINK THE QUESTION, WHERE IT'S WORKED EXTREMELY WELL, BUT I THINK THE QUESTION, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF FINALLY WELL, BUT I THINK THE QUESTION, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF FINALLY PAST THE INITIAL PROBLEMS IN THE I THINK WE'RE KIND OF FINALLY PAST THE INITIAL PROBLEMS IN THE WEBSITE AND I THINK THE TEST PAST THE INITIAL PROBLEMS IN THE WEBSITE AND I THINK THE TEST WILL COME OVER THE SEVERAL WEBSITE AND I THINK THE TEST WILL COME OVER THE SEVERAL MONTHS, HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY WILL COME OVER THE SEVERAL MONTHS, HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY GET HEALTH INSURANCE, AS A MONTHS, HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY GET HEALTH INSURANCE, AS A RESULT OF OBAMACARE, BOTH IN GET HEALTH INSURANCE, AS A RESULT OF OBAMACARE, BOTH IN TERMS OF PRIVATE INSURANCE AND RESULT OF OBAMACARE, BOTH IN TERMS OF PRIVATE INSURANCE AND THROUGH MEDICAID?

TERMS OF PRIVATE INSURANCE AND THROUGH MEDICAID?

AND THE NUMBERS WERE THROUGH MEDICAID?

AND THE NUMBERS WERE ACCELERATING AS THE YEAR WENT ON AND THE NUMBERS WERE ACCELERATING AS THE YEAR WENT ON AND OBVIOUSLY I THINK THE MORE ACCELERATING AS THE YEAR WENT ON AND OBVIOUSLY I THINK THE MORE PEOPLE WHO MANAGED TO GET AND OBVIOUSLY I THINK THE MORE PEOPLE WHO MANAGED TO GET INSURANCE THROUGH THIS PLAN, THE PEOPLE WHO MANAGED TO GET INSURANCE THROUGH THIS PLAN, THE LESS POPULAR IT WILL BECOME TO INSURANCE THROUGH THIS PLAN, THE LESS POPULAR IT WILL BECOME TO REPEAL IT.

LESS POPULAR IT WILL BECOME TO REPEAL IT.

>> ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE REPEAL IT.

>> ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE ISSUE OF RELIGION, ONE >> ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE ISSUE OF RELIGION, ONE INTERESTING THING THIS PAST YEAR ISSUE OF RELIGION, ONE INTERESTING THING THIS PAST YEAR WAS, WE'VE SEEN IT IN A COUPLE INTERESTING THING THIS PAST YEAR WAS, WE'VE SEEN IT IN A COUPLE YEARS IS THE CATHOLIC BISHOP'S WAS, WE'VE SEEN IT IN A COUPLE YEARS IS THE CATHOLIC BISHOP'S OPPOSITION TO THE CONTRACEPTION YEARS IS THE CATHOLIC BISHOP'S OPPOSITION TO THE CONTRACEPTION MANDATE WAS VERY WELL-KNOWN, BUT OPPOSITION TO THE CONTRACEPTION MANDATE WAS VERY WELL-KNOWN, BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE CASES MANDATE WAS VERY WELL-KNOWN, BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE CASES BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT ARE IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE CASES BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT ARE EVANGELICALS, MENNONITES, WHO BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT ARE EVANGELICALS, MENNONITES, WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS, SO -- EVANGELICALS, MENNONITES, WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS, SO -- AND FOR THEM THEY WERE SAYING ARE OPPOSED TO THIS, SO -- AND FOR THEM THEY WERE SAYING THAT PROVIDING SOME FORMS, AND FOR THEM THEY WERE SAYING THAT PROVIDING SOME FORMS, THEY'RE NOT AGAINST ALL BIRTH THAT PROVIDING SOME FORMS, THEY'RE NOT AGAINST ALL BIRTH CONTROL, BUT SOME FORMS THEY SEE THEY'RE NOT AGAINST ALL BIRTH CONTROL, BUT SOME FORMS THEY SEE AS BEING ABORTION AND SO IT'S CONTROL, BUT SOME FORMS THEY SEE AS BEING ABORTION AND SO IT'S ALSO AN INTERESTING QUESTION AS BEING ABORTION AND SO IT'S ALSO AN INTERESTING QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH THE FEDERAL ALSO AN INTERESTING QUESTION ABOUT HOW MUCH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN SORT OF DEFINE ABOUT HOW MUCH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN SORT OF DEFINE WHO IS A RELIGIOUS GROUP AND HOW GOVERNMENT CAN SORT OF DEFINE WHO IS A RELIGIOUS GROUP AND HOW MUCH SWAY THEY HAVE OVER WHAT WHO IS A RELIGIOUS GROUP AND HOW MUCH SWAY THEY HAVE OVER WHAT THOSE GROUPS DO.

MUCH SWAY THEY HAVE OVER WHAT THOSE GROUPS DO.

>> ALTHOUGH THAT'S BEEN THOSE GROUPS DO.

>> ALTHOUGH THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THE FEDERAL >> ALTHOUGH THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S HAD TO DO THROUGH SOMETHING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S HAD TO DO THROUGH THE IRS FOR A LONG TIME AND I GOVERNMENT'S HAD TO DO THROUGH THE IRS FOR A LONG TIME AND I THINK THIS CASE INVOLVING HOBBY THE IRS FOR A LONG TIME AND I THINK THIS CASE INVOLVING HOBBY LOBBY IS REALLY TRICKY BECAUSE THINK THIS CASE INVOLVING HOBBY LOBBY IS REALLY TRICKY BECAUSE WHERE DO YOU -- WHERE DOES A LOBBY IS REALLY TRICKY BECAUSE WHERE DO YOU -- WHERE DOES A BUSINESS PERSON DRAW THE LINE?

WHERE DO YOU -- WHERE DOES A BUSINESS PERSON DRAW THE LINE?

WHILE ONE PERSON SAYS, "I DON'T BUSINESS PERSON DRAW THE LINE?

WHILE ONE PERSON SAYS, "I DON'T WANT TO COVER ABORTION," WHAT WHILE ONE PERSON SAYS, "I DON'T WANT TO COVER ABORTION," WHAT OTHER LEEWAY DO THEY HAVE?

WANT TO COVER ABORTION," WHAT OTHER LEEWAY DO THEY HAVE?

I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A REAL OTHER LEEWAY DO THEY HAVE?

I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A REAL SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENT THERE I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A REAL SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENT THERE THAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR WHEN THE SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENT THERE THAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR WHEN THE CASE GOES TO, YOU KNOW, IS THAT WE'RE GONNA HEAR WHEN THE CASE GOES TO, YOU KNOW, IS DECIDED.

CASE GOES TO, YOU KNOW, IS DECIDED.

>> I DON'T WANT TO OVERLOOK THE DECIDED.

>> I DON'T WANT TO OVERLOOK THE DEATH OF NELSON MANDELA.

>> I DON'T WANT TO OVERLOOK THE DEATH OF NELSON MANDELA.

I KNOW IT'S HAD ENORMOUS DEATH OF NELSON MANDELA.

I KNOW IT'S HAD ENORMOUS COVERAGE AND WE'VE DONE A LOT ON I KNOW IT'S HAD ENORMOUS COVERAGE AND WE'VE DONE A LOT ON THIS PROGRAM, BUT AGAIN, YOU COVERAGE AND WE'VE DONE A LOT ON THIS PROGRAM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AFTER ALL OF APARTHEID, THIS PROGRAM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AFTER ALL OF APARTHEID, AND ALL THAT EVERYBODY THAT KNOW, AFTER ALL OF APARTHEID, AND ALL THAT EVERYBODY THAT BLACKS HAD SUFFERED, TO COME AND ALL THAT EVERYBODY THAT BLACKS HAD SUFFERED, TO COME INTO POWER AND NOT GO FOR BLACKS HAD SUFFERED, TO COME INTO POWER AND NOT GO FOR REVENGE WAS A TREMENDOUS ACT, IT INTO POWER AND NOT GO FOR REVENGE WAS A TREMENDOUS ACT, IT SEEMS TO ME.

REVENGE WAS A TREMENDOUS ACT, IT SEEMS TO ME.

>> AND I THINK WHAT YOU SEE IN SEEMS TO ME.

>> AND I THINK WHAT YOU SEE IN MANDELA BUT ALSO WHAT YOU SEE IN >> AND I THINK WHAT YOU SEE IN MANDELA BUT ALSO WHAT YOU SEE IN POPE FRANCIS IS A SENSE OF MANDELA BUT ALSO WHAT YOU SEE IN POPE FRANCIS IS A SENSE OF AUTHENTIC AND PEOPLE CAN SMELL A POPE FRANCIS IS A SENSE OF AUTHENTIC AND PEOPLE CAN SMELL A FAKE AND THEY CAN TELL WHEN AUTHENTIC AND PEOPLE CAN SMELL A FAKE AND THEY CAN TELL WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS ONE THING BUT DOES FAKE AND THEY CAN TELL WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS ONE THING BUT DOES ANOTHER BUT I THINK WHAT MANDELA SOMEBODY SAYS ONE THING BUT DOES ANOTHER BUT I THINK WHAT MANDELA DID WAS HE LIVED OUT THAT ANOTHER BUT I THINK WHAT MANDELA DID WAS HE LIVED OUT THAT MESSAGE OF PEACE AND DID WAS HE LIVED OUT THAT MESSAGE OF PEACE AND RECONCILIATION AND NONVIOLENCE MESSAGE OF PEACE AND RECONCILIATION AND NONVIOLENCE THAT HE PREACHED.

RECONCILIATION AND NONVIOLENCE THAT HE PREACHED.

AND WITH THE POPE I THINK YOU'RE THAT HE PREACHED.

AND WITH THE POPE I THINK YOU'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, THAT HE'S AND WITH THE POPE I THINK YOU'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, THAT HE'S LIVING OUT THIS CALL TO SEEING, YOU KNOW, THAT HE'S LIVING OUT THIS CALL TO SIMPLICITY AND HUMILITY AND CARE LIVING OUT THIS CALL TO SIMPLICITY AND HUMILITY AND CARE FOR THE POOR, SO I THINK, YOU SIMPLICITY AND HUMILITY AND CARE FOR THE POOR, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN THAT SENSE THEY SHARE A FOR THE POOR, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN THAT SENSE THEY SHARE A LOT IN COMMON AND THEY'RE BOTH KNOW, IN THAT SENSE THEY SHARE A LOT IN COMMON AND THEY'RE BOTH SEEN AS AUTHENTIC AND ESPECIALLY LOT IN COMMON AND THEY'RE BOTH SEEN AS AUTHENTIC AND ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE AUTHENTICITY SEEN AS AUTHENTIC AND ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE AUTHENTICITY MATTERS A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE AUTHENTICITY MATTERS A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN IDEOLOGY OR, YOU KNOW, PURITY OR MATTERS A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN IDEOLOGY OR, YOU KNOW, PURITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IDEOLOGY OR, YOU KNOW, PURITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> AND I THINK ALSO YOU SAW IN ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> AND I THINK ALSO YOU SAW IN MANDELA THIS FASCINATING >> AND I THINK ALSO YOU SAW IN MANDELA THIS FASCINATING MARRIAGE BETWEEN MILITANCY MANDELA THIS FASCINATING MARRIAGE BETWEEN MILITANCY BECAUSE WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THE MARRIAGE BETWEEN MILITANCY BECAUSE WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THE CONCILIATORY SIDE, THAT THE ANC, BECAUSE WE TALK A LOT ABOUT THE CONCILIATORY SIDE, THAT THE ANC, THE AFRICAN NATIONAL CONGRESS, CONCILIATORY SIDE, THAT THE ANC, THE AFRICAN NATIONAL CONGRESS, WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN TO THAT THE AFRICAN NATIONAL CONGRESS, WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT WITHOUT SOMEONE WHO IS WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT WITHOUT SOMEONE WHO IS ALSO VERY MILITANT EARLY IN HIS POINT WITHOUT SOMEONE WHO IS ALSO VERY MILITANT EARLY IN HIS LIFE AND HE WAS ABLE TO MAKE THE ALSO VERY MILITANT EARLY IN HIS LIFE AND HE WAS ABLE TO MAKE THE TRANSITION AND SAY NOW THAT WE LIFE AND HE WAS ABLE TO MAKE THE TRANSITION AND SAY NOW THAT WE HAVE ACHIEVED OUR FREEDOM WE DO TRANSITION AND SAY NOW THAT WE HAVE ACHIEVED OUR FREEDOM WE DO NOT WANT TO USE IT IN WAYS THAT HAVE ACHIEVED OUR FREEDOM WE DO NOT WANT TO USE IT IN WAYS THAT GET IN THE WAY OF OTHER PEOPLE'S NOT WANT TO USE IT IN WAYS THAT GET IN THE WAY OF OTHER PEOPLE'S FREEDOM AND, BOY, IT'S AN GET IN THE WAY OF OTHER PEOPLE'S FREEDOM AND, BOY, IT'S AN EXAMPLE THAT I THINK WE ARE FREEDOM AND, BOY, IT'S AN EXAMPLE THAT I THINK WE ARE GOING TO STUDY A LOT AND CAN EXAMPLE THAT I THINK WE ARE GOING TO STUDY A LOT AND CAN USEFULLY STUDY RIGHT NOW.

GOING TO STUDY A LOT AND CAN USEFULLY STUDY RIGHT NOW.

>> WELL, AND WE SAW THIS PAST USEFULLY STUDY RIGHT NOW.

>> WELL, AND WE SAW THIS PAST YEAR, A LOT OF PLACES NEED TO >> WELL, AND WE SAW THIS PAST YEAR, A LOT OF PLACES NEED TO HAVE THAT EXAMPLE AND SO MANY YEAR, A LOT OF PLACES NEED TO HAVE THAT EXAMPLE AND SO MANY PLACES IN THE WORLD, EGYPT AND HAVE THAT EXAMPLE AND SO MANY PLACES IN THE WORLD, EGYPT AND SYRIA AND SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN PLACES IN THE WORLD, EGYPT AND SYRIA AND SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN IRAQ AND NEYMAR, JUST ALL OF SYRIA AND SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN IRAQ AND NEYMAR, JUST ALL OF THOSE PLACES WHERE GROUPS IRAQ AND NEYMAR, JUST ALL OF THOSE PLACES WHERE GROUPS FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER, GROUPS THOSE PLACES WHERE GROUPS FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER, GROUPS AT ODD WITH EACH OTHER, WORKING FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER, GROUPS AT ODD WITH EACH OTHER, WORKING THAT OUT THROUGH VIOLENCE AND IT AT ODD WITH EACH OTHER, WORKING THAT OUT THROUGH VIOLENCE AND IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A LOT THAT OUT THROUGH VIOLENCE AND IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF THAT RELIGION WAS TIED UP IN JUST SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF THAT RELIGION WAS TIED UP IN COMPLICATED WAYS, BUT YOU KNOW, OF THAT RELIGION WAS TIED UP IN COMPLICATED WAYS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT SEEMED LIKE THERE COULD BE COMPLICATED WAYS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT SEEMED LIKE THERE COULD BE FIGURES THAT, THAT WOULD BE IT SEEMED LIKE THERE COULD BE FIGURES THAT, THAT WOULD BE MAKING THAT ARGUMENT AND FIGURES THAT, THAT WOULD BE MAKING THAT ARGUMENT AND NELSON MANDELA WOULD BE AN MAKING THAT ARGUMENT AND NELSON MANDELA WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF MAYBE GETTING OUT OF NELSON MANDELA WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF MAYBE GETTING OUT OF SOME OF THAT.

EXAMPLE OF MAYBE GETTING OUT OF SOME OF THAT.

>> AND WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT ALL SOME OF THAT.

>> AND WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT ALL OF THE REFUGEES FROM SYRIA?

>> AND WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT ALL OF THE REFUGEES FROM SYRIA?

HOW MANY -- MORE THAN A MILLION?

OF THE REFUGEES FROM SYRIA?

HOW MANY -- MORE THAN A MILLION?

>> OH, IT'S -- IT'S -- 6 MILLION HOW MANY -- MORE THAN A MILLION?

>> OH, IT'S -- IT'S -- 6 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DISPLACED, >> OH, IT'S -- IT'S -- 6 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DISPLACED, 4 MILLION INTERNALLY, INSIDE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DISPLACED, 4 MILLION INTERNALLY, INSIDE SYRIA, 2 MILLION IN NEIGHBORING 4 MILLION INTERNALLY, INSIDE SYRIA, 2 MILLION IN NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES.

SYRIA, 2 MILLION IN NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES.

IT'S A HUGE, HUGE HUMANITARIAN COUNTRIES.

IT'S A HUGE, HUGE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.

IT'S A HUGE, HUGE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.

>> AND WHAT DOES THE UNITED CRISIS.

>> AND WHAT DOES THE UNITED STATES DO ABOUT THAT?

>> AND WHAT DOES THE UNITED STATES DO ABOUT THAT?

>> WELL, AND THAT'S BEEN THE BIG STATES DO ABOUT THAT?

>> WELL, AND THAT'S BEEN THE BIG ARGUMENT, WHAT IS THE >> WELL, AND THAT'S BEEN THE BIG ARGUMENT, WHAT IS THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY'S ARGUMENT, WHAT IS THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO NOT ONLY END INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO NOT ONLY END THE VIOLENCE, TO INTERVENE, TO RESPONSIBILITY TO NOT ONLY END THE VIOLENCE, TO INTERVENE, TO PROTECT CIVILIANS WHO MAYBE THE VIOLENCE, TO INTERVENE, TO PROTECT CIVILIANS WHO MAYBE SUFFERING CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

PROTECT CIVILIANS WHO MAYBE SUFFERING CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

REMEMBER WE HAD THAT BIG DEBATE?

SUFFERING CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

REMEMBER WE HAD THAT BIG DEBATE?

SHOULD WE GO IN AND INTERVENE IN REMEMBER WE HAD THAT BIG DEBATE?

SHOULD WE GO IN AND INTERVENE IN SOME WAY?

SHOULD WE GO IN AND INTERVENE IN SOME WAY?

>> YEAH, WE FORGOT THAT.

SOME WAY?

>> YEAH, WE FORGOT THAT.

>> THAT WAS A HUGE DEBATE.

>> YEAH, WE FORGOT THAT.

>> THAT WAS A HUGE DEBATE.

>> SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T >> THAT WAS A HUGE DEBATE.

>> SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T >> SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T >> SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T >> SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN -- >> SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN -- >> IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE END.

HAPPEN -- >> IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE END.

>> FORGOING TO WAR IN SYRIA.

>> IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE END.

>> FORGOING TO WAR IN SYRIA.

>> BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, THEN WE >> FORGOING TO WAR IN SYRIA.

>> BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, THEN WE ENDED UP NOT REALLY DOING >> BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, THEN WE ENDED UP NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING AND THE REFUGE CRISIS ENDED UP NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING AND THE REFUGE CRISIS IS STILL HAPPENING EVERYDAY.

ANYTHING AND THE REFUGE CRISIS IS STILL HAPPENING EVERYDAY.

>> AND THIS IS A CLASSIC THING IS STILL HAPPENING EVERYDAY.

>> AND THIS IS A CLASSIC THING THAT'S DIVIDED THE RELIGIOUS >> AND THIS IS A CLASSIC THING THAT'S DIVIDED THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY ALONG ALL KINDS OF THAT'S DIVIDED THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY ALONG ALL KINDS OF LINES, WHICH IS ON THE ONE HAND COMMUNITY ALONG ALL KINDS OF LINES, WHICH IS ON THE ONE HAND THE OBLIGATION TO PROTECT, WHICH LINES, WHICH IS ON THE ONE HAND THE OBLIGATION TO PROTECT, WHICH SOMETIMES INVOLVES THE USE OF THE OBLIGATION TO PROTECT, WHICH SOMETIMES INVOLVES THE USE OF MILITARY FORCE, ANY GREAT SOMETIMES INVOLVES THE USE OF MILITARY FORCE, ANY GREAT RELUCTANCE TO HAVE THE UNITED MILITARY FORCE, ANY GREAT RELUCTANCE TO HAVE THE UNITED STATES USE MILITARY FORCE IN RELUCTANCE TO HAVE THE UNITED STATES USE MILITARY FORCE IN CASES LIKE THIS, AND SO THIS, STATES USE MILITARY FORCE IN CASES LIKE THIS, AND SO THIS, YOU KNOW, THE SYRIA DEBATE CASES LIKE THIS, AND SO THIS, YOU KNOW, THE SYRIA DEBATE SCRAMBLE A LOT OF SORT OF YOU KNOW, THE SYRIA DEBATE SCRAMBLE A LOT OF SORT OF IDEOLOGICAL POSITIONS BUT I SCRAMBLE A LOT OF SORT OF IDEOLOGICAL POSITIONS BUT I THINK WHAT YOU SAW IN THE END IDEOLOGICAL POSITIONS BUT I THINK WHAT YOU SAW IN THE END WAS AN ENORMOUS EXHAUSTION WITH THINK WHAT YOU SAW IN THE END WAS AN ENORMOUS EXHAUSTION WITH WAR IN THE UNITED STATES AND WAS AN ENORMOUS EXHAUSTION WITH WAR IN THE UNITED STATES AND THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA PROBABLY WAR IN THE UNITED STATES AND THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN APPROVAL THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN APPROVAL EVEN FOR THE VERY LIMITED WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN APPROVAL EVEN FOR THE VERY LIMITED STRIKES THAT HE WAS SEEKING EVEN FOR THE VERY LIMITED STRIKES THAT HE WAS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR.

STRIKES THAT HE WAS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR.

>> YEAH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT APPROVAL FOR.

>> YEAH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST HERE ON >> YEAH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST HERE ON THESE THINGS IS THINK ABOUT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST HERE ON THESE THINGS IS THINK ABOUT THINGS THAT HAPPENED THAT MAYBE THESE THINGS IS THINK ABOUT THINGS THAT HAPPENED THAT MAYBE WE OVERLOOKED AT THE TIME, THAT THINGS THAT HAPPENED THAT MAYBE WE OVERLOOKED AT THE TIME, THAT WE DIDN'T PAY ENOUGH ATTENTION WE OVERLOOKED AT THE TIME, THAT WE DIDN'T PAY ENOUGH ATTENTION TO.

WE DIDN'T PAY ENOUGH ATTENTION TO.

WHO WANTS TO OFFER ANYTHING ON TO.

WHO WANTS TO OFFER ANYTHING ON THAT?

WHO WANTS TO OFFER ANYTHING ON THAT?

>> WELL, I'VE BEEN THINKING THAT?

>> WELL, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT ALL THE STORIES, THE >> WELL, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT ALL THE STORIES, THE TYPHOON IN THE PHILIPPINES FOR ABOUT ALL THE STORIES, THE TYPHOON IN THE PHILIPPINES FOR EXAMPLE, FLOODS IN COLORADO, AND TYPHOON IN THE PHILIPPINES FOR EXAMPLE, FLOODS IN COLORADO, AND OBVIOUSLY THOSE STORIES HAVE EXAMPLE, FLOODS IN COLORADO, AND OBVIOUSLY THOSE STORIES HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF ATTENTION.

OBVIOUSLY THOSE STORIES HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF ATTENTION.

WE DON'T PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION GOTTEN A LOT OF ATTENTION.

WE DON'T PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THE EXTRAORDINARY WORK OF WE DON'T PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THE EXTRAORDINARY WORK OF RELIGIOUS CHARITIES.

TO THE EXTRAORDINARY WORK OF RELIGIOUS CHARITIES.

YOU KNOW, CATHOLIC RELIEF, RELIGIOUS CHARITIES.

YOU KNOW, CATHOLIC RELIEF, CATHOLIC CHARITIES DOMESTICALLY, YOU KNOW, CATHOLIC RELIEF, CATHOLIC CHARITIES DOMESTICALLY, METHODISTS, THE METHODISTS CATHOLIC CHARITIES DOMESTICALLY, METHODISTS, THE METHODISTS RELIEF SERVICE, EPISCOPALIANS, METHODISTS, THE METHODISTS RELIEF SERVICE, EPISCOPALIANS, WORLD VISION, THESE ARE OFTEN RELIEF SERVICE, EPISCOPALIANS, WORLD VISION, THESE ARE OFTEN THE FIRST GROUPS ON THE GROUND, WORLD VISION, THESE ARE OFTEN THE FIRST GROUPS ON THE GROUND, THEY ARE OFTEN PEOPLE WITH AN THE FIRST GROUPS ON THE GROUND, THEY ARE OFTEN PEOPLE WITH AN INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE THEY ARE OFTEN PEOPLE WITH AN INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE WHOM THEY'RE HELPING, AND I'D INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE WHOM THEY'RE HELPING, AND I'D JUST LIKE THOSE GROUPS TO GET WHOM THEY'RE HELPING, AND I'D JUST LIKE THOSE GROUPS TO GET MORE ATTENTION AT THE MOMENTS JUST LIKE THOSE GROUPS TO GET MORE ATTENTION AT THE MOMENTS WHEN WE KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE IN MORE ATTENTION AT THE MOMENTS WHEN WE KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE IN DIRE NEED AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY WHEN WE KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE IN DIRE NEED AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY PEOPLE LIVING THEIR FAITH.

DIRE NEED AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY PEOPLE LIVING THEIR FAITH.

>> I WAS SORT OF STRUCK, YOU PEOPLE LIVING THEIR FAITH.

>> I WAS SORT OF STRUCK, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS NOW THAT MORMONS >> I WAS SORT OF STRUCK, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS NOW THAT MORMONS WERE VERY 2012, YOU KNOW, WITH KNOW, IT SOUNDS NOW THAT MORMONS WERE VERY 2012, YOU KNOW, WITH MITT ROMNEY, BUT THERE'S TWO WERE VERY 2012, YOU KNOW, WITH MITT ROMNEY, BUT THERE'S TWO REALLY INTERESTING STORIES THAT MITT ROMNEY, BUT THERE'S TWO REALLY INTERESTING STORIES THAT CAME OUT OF SALT LAKE CITY FROM REALLY INTERESTING STORIES THAT CAME OUT OF SALT LAKE CITY FROM THE OFFICIAL CHURCH WHERE THEY CAME OUT OF SALT LAKE CITY FROM THE OFFICIAL CHURCH WHERE THEY SAID THEY EXAMINED CHURCH THE OFFICIAL CHURCH WHERE THEY SAID THEY EXAMINED CHURCH TEACHINGS ON, ON POLYGAMY AND SAID THEY EXAMINED CHURCH TEACHINGS ON, ON POLYGAMY AND ALSO ON THE ROLE OF BLACKS IN TEACHINGS ON, ON POLYGAMY AND ALSO ON THE ROLE OF BLACKS IN THE CHURCH.

ALSO ON THE ROLE OF BLACKS IN THE CHURCH.

AND IN BOTH CASES BASICALLY THE CHURCH.

AND IN BOTH CASES BASICALLY SAID, YEAH, WE WERE KIND OF AND IN BOTH CASES BASICALLY SAID, YEAH, WE WERE KIND OF WRONG OR, YOU KNOW, THE TEACHING SAID, YEAH, WE WERE KIND OF WRONG OR, YOU KNOW, THE TEACHING ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE WAS ACTUALLY WRONG OR, YOU KNOW, THE TEACHING ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE WAS ACTUALLY ROOTED IN RACISM AND ON POLYGAMY ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE WAS ACTUALLY ROOTED IN RACISM AND ON POLYGAMY IT LASTED A LITTLE BIT LONGER ROOTED IN RACISM AND ON POLYGAMY IT LASTED A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN WE PROBABLY SAID IT DID SO IT LASTED A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN WE PROBABLY SAID IT DID SO IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING SORT THAN WE PROBABLY SAID IT DID SO IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING SORT OF COMING TO TERMS WITH THE IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING SORT OF COMING TO TERMS WITH THE CHURCH'S HISTORY.

OF COMING TO TERMS WITH THE CHURCH'S HISTORY.

>> YEA, AND ON POLYGAMY A JUDGE CHURCH'S HISTORY.

>> YEA, AND ON POLYGAMY A JUDGE HAS RULED THAT IT'S OKAY FOR >> YEA, AND ON POLYGAMY A JUDGE HAS RULED THAT IT'S OKAY FOR THERE TO BE WHAT -- I GUESS WHAT HAS RULED THAT IT'S OKAY FOR THERE TO BE WHAT -- I GUESS WHAT MOST OF US WOULD CALL POLYGAMY.

THERE TO BE WHAT -- I GUESS WHAT MOST OF US WOULD CALL POLYGAMY.

>> RIGHT, DEFINITELY AND MOST OF US WOULD CALL POLYGAMY.

>> RIGHT, DEFINITELY AND INTERESTING CASE TO WATCH GOING >> RIGHT, DEFINITELY AND INTERESTING CASE TO WATCH GOING FORWARD INTO 2014 BECAUSE IT'S INTERESTING CASE TO WATCH GOING FORWARD INTO 2014 BECAUSE IT'S CERTAINLY GONNA BE APPEALED I'M FORWARD INTO 2014 BECAUSE IT'S CERTAINLY GONNA BE APPEALED I'M SURE.

CERTAINLY GONNA BE APPEALED I'M SURE.

>> YEAH.

SURE.

>> YEAH.

KIM?

>> YEAH.

KIM?

>> WELL, I -- YOU KNOW, I THINK KIM?

>> WELL, I -- YOU KNOW, I THINK OF ALL THOSE STORIES THAT WE >> WELL, I -- YOU KNOW, I THINK OF ALL THOSE STORIES THAT WE COVERED OR DIDN'T COVER OR OF ALL THOSE STORIES THAT WE COVERED OR DIDN'T COVER OR WANTED TO COVER, ONE THAT I FEEL COVERED OR DIDN'T COVER OR WANTED TO COVER, ONE THAT I FEEL DIDN'T MAYBE GET ENOUGH WANTED TO COVER, ONE THAT I FEEL DIDN'T MAYBE GET ENOUGH ATTENTION THIS YEAR WAS THIS DIDN'T MAYBE GET ENOUGH ATTENTION THIS YEAR WAS THIS MASS FAITH-BASED MOBILIZATION ATTENTION THIS YEAR WAS THIS MASS FAITH-BASED MOBILIZATION FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM AND PART MASS FAITH-BASED MOBILIZATION FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM AND PART OF THE REASON WHY IT DIDN'T FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM AND PART OF THE REASON WHY IT DIDN'T MAYBE GET ENOUGH ATTENTION WAS OF THE REASON WHY IT DIDN'T MAYBE GET ENOUGH ATTENTION WAS BECAUSE IT KIND OF STALLED IN MAYBE GET ENOUGH ATTENTION WAS BECAUSE IT KIND OF STALLED IN CONGRESS BUT YOU SAW A REALLY BECAUSE IT KIND OF STALLED IN CONGRESS BUT YOU SAW A REALLY INTERESTING COALITION THAT CONGRESS BUT YOU SAW A REALLY INTERESTING COALITION THAT INCLUDED NOT JUST SORT OF THE INTERESTING COALITION THAT INCLUDED NOT JUST SORT OF THE USUAL SUSPECTS BUT REALLY WAS A INCLUDED NOT JUST SORT OF THE USUAL SUSPECTS BUT REALLY WAS A BROAD COALITION THAT HAD JEWS USUAL SUSPECTS BUT REALLY WAS A BROAD COALITION THAT HAD JEWS AND MUSLIMS, IT HAD EVANGELICALS BROAD COALITION THAT HAD JEWS AND MUSLIMS, IT HAD EVANGELICALS AND CATHOLICS AND MAINLINE AND MUSLIMS, IT HAD EVANGELICALS AND CATHOLICS AND MAINLINE PROTESTANTS AND WHILE THEY'RE AND CATHOLICS AND MAINLINE PROTESTANTS AND WHILE THEY'RE DIVIDED ON A LOT OF OTHER PROTESTANTS AND WHILE THEY'RE DIVIDED ON A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES, THERE WAS A VERY BROAD DIVIDED ON A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES, THERE WAS A VERY BROAD SUPPORT FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM ISSUES, THERE WAS A VERY BROAD SUPPORT FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM AND THERE WERE CONSTANT LOBBYING SUPPORT FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM AND THERE WERE CONSTANT LOBBYING EFFORTS, ALMOST SO MANY THAT I AND THERE WERE CONSTANT LOBBYING EFFORTS, ALMOST SO MANY THAT I ALMOST GOT TIRED OF COVERING, EFFORTS, ALMOST SO MANY THAT I ALMOST GOT TIRED OF COVERING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT WAS JUST ALMOST GOT TIRED OF COVERING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT WAS JUST LIKE, OH, THIS -- YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT WAS JUST LIKE, OH, THIS -- >> THEY WERE PERSISTENT.

LIKE, OH, THIS -- >> THEY WERE PERSISTENT.

>> AND THAT STORY ISN'T OVER >> THEY WERE PERSISTENT.

>> AND THAT STORY ISN'T OVER YET.

>> AND THAT STORY ISN'T OVER YET.

>> THEY WERE VERY PERSISTENT AND YET.

>> THEY WERE VERY PERSISTENT AND THAT'S NOT OVER, RIGHT.

>> THEY WERE VERY PERSISTENT AND THAT'S NOT OVER, RIGHT.

>> YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT IN THAT'S NOT OVER, RIGHT.

>> YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT IN POINTING TO THAT AND I THINK >> YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT IN POINTING TO THAT AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE THESE GROUPS POINTING TO THAT AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA SEE THESE GROUPS CONTINUE TO MOBILIZE.

WE'RE GONNA SEE THESE GROUPS CONTINUE TO MOBILIZE.

>> RIGHT.

CONTINUE TO MOBILIZE.

>> RIGHT.

WE SAW IT TO A SMALLER EXTENT ON >> RIGHT.

WE SAW IT TO A SMALLER EXTENT ON SOME OF THE BUDGET ISSUES AS WE SAW IT TO A SMALLER EXTENT ON SOME OF THE BUDGET ISSUES AS WELL, CONCERNS ABOUT GOVERNMENT SOME OF THE BUDGET ISSUES AS WELL, CONCERNS ABOUT GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS, SEQUESTRATION.

WELL, CONCERNS ABOUT GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS, SEQUESTRATION.

YOU DID SEE THERE A BROAD SHUTDOWNS, SEQUESTRATION.

YOU DID SEE THERE A BROAD COALITION AS WELL BUT YOU DID SEE THERE A BROAD COALITION AS WELL BUT IMMIGRATION I AGREE IS ONE COALITION AS WELL BUT IMMIGRATION I AGREE IS ONE THAT -- THAT THEY'RE GONNA KEEP IMMIGRATION I AGREE IS ONE THAT -- THAT THEY'RE GONNA KEEP AT IT AND THEY DID KEEP AT IT THAT -- THAT THEY'RE GONNA KEEP AT IT AND THEY DID KEEP AT IT EVEN THOUGH THERE WASN'T AT IT AND THEY DID KEEP AT IT EVEN THOUGH THERE WASN'T LEGISLATIVE ACTION.

EVEN THOUGH THERE WASN'T LEGISLATIVE ACTION.

>> WELL, OUR TIME IS UP.

LEGISLATIVE ACTION.

>> WELL, OUR TIME IS UP.

KIM, MANY THANKS.

>> WELL, OUR TIME IS UP.

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