GWEN: HEALTH, WEALTH AND THE PROMISE OF PROSPERITY, NEWS ON WEEK.ONTS THIS PROMISE OF PROSPERITY, NEWS ON WEEK.ONTS THIS PLUS, OUR TRIBUTE TO NELSON WEEK.ONTS THIS PLUS, OUR TRIBUTE TO NELSON MANDELA, TONIGHT, ON "WASHINGTON PLUS, OUR TRIBUTE TO NELSON MANDELA, TONIGHT, ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
MANDELA, TONIGHT, ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
THE STOCK MARKET BOUNCES BACK, WEEK."
THE STOCK MARKET BOUNCES BACK, THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE HITS A THE STOCK MARKET BOUNCES BACK, THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE HITS A FIVE-YEAR LOW, THE AFFORDABLE THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE HITS A FIVE-YEAR LOW, THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT MAY BE TURNING THE FIVE-YEAR LOW, THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT MAY BE TURNING THE CORNER.
CARE ACT MAY BE TURNING THE CORNER.
>> THIS LAW IS WORKING AND WILL CORNER.
>> THIS LAW IS WORKING AND WILL FUTURE.O THE >> THIS LAW IS WORKING AND WILL FUTURE.O THE GWEN: IS IT ALL TOO GOOD TO BE FUTURE.O THE GWEN: IS IT ALL TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE?
GWEN: IS IT ALL TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE?
>> WHILE THE WHITE HOUSE WANTS TRUE?
>> WHILE THE WHITE HOUSE WANTS TO CLAIM THAT HEALTHCARE.GOVS I >> WHILE THE WHITE HOUSE WANTS TO CLAIM THAT HEALTHCARE.GOVS I NOW WORKING, WE KNOW THAT TO CLAIM THAT HEALTHCARE.GOVS I NOW WORKING, WE KNOW THAT OBAMACARE IS STILL PLAGUED WITH NOW WORKING, WE KNOW THAT OBAMACARE IS STILL PLAGUED WITH PROBLEMS.
OBAMACARE IS STILL PLAGUED WITH PROBLEMS.
GWEN: OUTSIDE WASHINGTON, PROBLEMS.
GWEN: OUTSIDE WASHINGTON, DETROIT IS HEADED INTO GWEN: OUTSIDE WASHINGTON, DETROIT IS HEADED INTO BANKRUPTCY, PENSIONS ARE DETROIT IS HEADED INTO BANKRUPTCY, PENSIONS ARE DISAPPEARING AND LOW WAGE BANKRUPTCY, PENSIONS ARE DISAPPEARING AND LOW WAGE WORKERS SAY THEY'RE BEING LEFT DISAPPEARING AND LOW WAGE WORKERS SAY THEY'RE BEING LEFT OUT.
WORKERS SAY THEY'RE BEING LEFT OUT.
>> PEOPLE CANNOT SURVIVE ON OUT.
>> PEOPLE CANNOT SURVIVE ON $8.25 IN THIS COUNTRY.
>> PEOPLE CANNOT SURVIVE ON $8.25 IN THIS COUNTRY.
GWEN: AND -- WE REMEMBER NELSON $8.25 IN THIS COUNTRY.
GWEN: AND -- WE REMEMBER NELSON MANDELA.
GWEN: AND -- WE REMEMBER NELSON MANDELA.
>> THERE'S MR. MANDELA, MANDELA.
>> THERE'S MR. MANDELA, MR. NELSON MANDELA, A FREE MAN >> THERE'S MR. MANDELA, MR. NELSON MANDELA, A FREE MAN TAKING HIS FIRST STEPS INTO A MR. NELSON MANDELA, A FREE MAN TAKING HIS FIRST STEPS INTO A NEW SOUTH AFRICA.
TAKING HIS FIRST STEPS INTO A NEW SOUTH AFRICA.
GWEN: COVERING THE WEEK, JACKIE NEW SOUTH AFRICA.
GWEN: COVERING THE WEEK, JACKIE CALMES OF THE "NEW YORK TIMES," GWEN: COVERING THE WEEK, JACKIE CALMES OF THE "NEW YORK TIMES," MICHAEL FLETCHER OF "THE CALMES OF THE "NEW YORK TIMES," MICHAEL FLETCHER OF "THE WASHINGTON POST," AND DAVID MICHAEL FLETCHER OF "THE WASHINGTON POST," AND DAVID WESSEL OF "THE WALL STREET WASHINGTON POST," AND DAVID WESSEL OF "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL."
WESSEL OF "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL."
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND JOURNAL."
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS COVERING HISTORY AS IT >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.
ANALYSIS COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.
LIVE, FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITOL, HAPPENS.
LIVE, FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITOL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH LIVE, FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITOL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK" WITH GWEN IFILL.
ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM GWENNGTON, MODERATOR IFILL.
GWENNGTON, MODERATOR IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING, AS YOU KNOW, IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING, AS YOU KNOW, TONIGHTD IS IN MOURNING GWEN: GOOD EVENING, AS YOU KNOW, TONIGHTD IS IN MOURNING FOR NELSON MANDELA, THE SOUTHAN TONIGHTD IS IN MOURNING FOR NELSON MANDELA, THE SOUTHAN PASSED AWAY THIS FOR NELSON MANDELA, THE SOUTHAN PASSED AWAY THIS WEEK.
PASSED AWAY THIS WEEK.
IN WASHINGTON, THE WEEK'S OTHER WEEK.
IN WASHINGTON, THE WEEK'S OTHER BEEN ON THE ECONOMY, IN WASHINGTON, THE WEEK'S OTHER BEEN ON THE ECONOMY, GOOD NEWS ON THE JOBS FRONT BEEN ON THE ECONOMY, GOOD NEWS ON THE JOBS FRONT TODAY, A HEALTHCARE WEBSITE THAT GOOD NEWS ON THE JOBS FRONT TODAY, A HEALTHCARE WEBSITE THAT AND THEINALLY WORKING TODAY, A HEALTHCARE WEBSITE THAT AND THEINALLY WORKING STRUGGLES THAT CONTINUE AWAY AND THEINALLY WORKING STRUGGLES THAT CONTINUE AWAY CAPITAL.NATION'S STRUGGLES THAT CONTINUE AWAY CAPITAL.NATION'S STARTING WITH THE JOBS REPORT, CAPITAL.NATION'S STARTING WITH THE JOBS REPORT, ARE WE SEEING THE LONG-AWAITED STARTING WITH THE JOBS REPORT, ARE WE SEEING THE LONG-AWAITED RECOVERY EVERYONE IS TALKING ARE WE SEEING THE LONG-AWAITED RECOVERY EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT OR WHAT, DAVID?
RECOVERY EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT OR WHAT, DAVID?
>> I THINK THE ECONOMY IS MOVING ABOUT OR WHAT, DAVID?
>> I THINK THE ECONOMY IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, MOVING >> I THINK THE ECONOMY IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, MOVING SLOWLY BUT IN THE RIGHT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, MOVING SLOWLY BUT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
SLOWLY BUT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
WE'VE HAD TWO MONTHS WITH OVER DIRECTION.
WE'VE HAD TWO MONTHS WITH OVER 200,000 JOBS ADDED, THE WE'VE HAD TWO MONTHS WITH OVER 200,000 JOBS ADDED, THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS AS LOW AS 200,000 JOBS ADDED, THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS AS LOW AS IT'S BEEN IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS AS LOW AS IT'S BEEN IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS MONTH WASRING THIS IT'S BEEN IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS MONTH WASRING THIS ACROSS THE ECONOMY -- MONTH WASRING THIS ACROSS THE ECONOMY -- MANUFACTURING, CONSTRUCTION, ACROSS THE ECONOMY -- MANUFACTURING, CONSTRUCTION, IT'S AATE AND LOCAL SO MANUFACTURING, CONSTRUCTION, IT'S AATE AND LOCAL SO GOOD SIGN BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO IT'S AATE AND LOCAL SO GOOD SIGN BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THERE'S STILL A LOT OF GOOD SIGN BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THERE'S STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT OF WORK.
REMEMBER THERE'S STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT OF WORK.
THAN ONE THIRD OF THE PEOPLE OUT OF WORK.
THAN ONE THIRD OF THE UNEMPLOYED HAVE BEEN OUT OF WORK THAN ONE THIRD OF THE UNEMPLOYED HAVE BEEN OUT OF WORK FOR SIX MONTHS OR MORE AND UNEMPLOYED HAVE BEEN OUT OF WORK FOR SIX MONTHS OR MORE AND HARD TIME GETTING FOR SIX MONTHS OR MORE AND HARD TIME GETTING HIRED.
HARD TIME GETTING HIRED.
GWEN: THAT'S ONE PIECE OF HIRED.
GWEN: THAT'S ONE PIECE OF TODAY'S NEWS.
GWEN: THAT'S ONE PIECE OF TODAY'S NEWS.
WEEK'S NEWSOF THIS TODAY'S NEWS.
WEEK'S NEWSOF THIS IS ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE ACT.
WEEK'S NEWSOF THIS IS ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE ACT.
AT THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY, THEY IS ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE ACT.
AT THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY, THEY ARE LINKING THE GOOD ECONOMIC AT THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY, THEY ARE LINKING THE GOOD ECONOMIC WITH THE FINALLY GOOD NEWS ARE LINKING THE GOOD ECONOMIC WITH THE FINALLY GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE ACT.
WITH THE FINALLY GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE ACT.
IS THERE A CONNECTION BETWEEN ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE ACT.
IS THERE A CONNECTION BETWEEN REBOUND IN THE ECONOMY AND IS THERE A CONNECTION BETWEEN REBOUND IN THE ECONOMY AND THE HEALTHCARE ACT?
REBOUND IN THE ECONOMY AND THE HEALTHCARE ACT?
>> THE LINK IS THAT THIS LAW THE HEALTHCARE ACT?
>> THE LINK IS THAT THIS LAW ALL THETUALLY FOR >> THE LINK IS THAT THIS LAW ALL THETUALLY FOR ATTENTION TO IT NOW IS MORE THAN ALL THETUALLY FOR ATTENTION TO IT NOW IS MORE THAN THREE YEARS OLD, THAT, YOU KNOW, ATTENTION TO IT NOW IS MORE THAN THREE YEARS OLD, THAT, YOU KNOW, JOBS GROWTH, YOU THREE YEARS OLD, THAT, YOU KNOW, JOBS GROWTH, YOU MIGHT SAY, DESPITE THE JOBS GROWTH, YOU MIGHT SAY, DESPITE THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, DESPITE THE MIGHT SAY, DESPITE THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, DESPITE THE PREDICTIONS FROM REPUBLICANS AND AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, DESPITE THE PREDICTIONS FROM REPUBLICANS AND ITS OTHER OPPONENTS THAT THIS PREDICTIONS FROM REPUBLICANS AND ITS OTHER OPPONENTS THAT THIS KILLER, THEOB ITS OTHER OPPONENTS THAT THIS KILLER, THEOB CONSISTENT DESCRIPTION FOR IT, KILLER, THEOB CONSISTENT DESCRIPTION FOR IT, AND JAY CARNEY OPENED UP HIS CONSISTENT DESCRIPTION FOR IT, AND JAY CARNEY OPENED UP HIS HOUSENG AT THE WHITE AND JAY CARNEY OPENED UP HIS HOUSENG AT THE WHITE TODAY BY SUGGESTING THAT THE HOUSENG AT THE WHITE TODAY BY SUGGESTING THAT THE EACHGROWTH CONSECUTIVELY TODAY BY SUGGESTING THAT THE EACHGROWTH CONSECUTIVELY MONTH HAVE COINCIDED WITH THE EACHGROWTH CONSECUTIVELY MONTH HAVE COINCIDED WITH THE TIME PERIOD IN FACT THE MONTH HAVE COINCIDED WITH THE TIME PERIOD IN FACT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT HAS BEEN ON TIME PERIOD IN FACT THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS.
AFFORDABLE CARE ACT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS.
GWEN: IS THAT PLAUSIBLE?
THE BOOKS.
GWEN: IS THAT PLAUSIBLE?
>> NO.
GWEN: IS THAT PLAUSIBLE?
>> NO.
THE ONE CASE THEY DO HAVE IS >> NO.
THE ONE CASE THEY DO HAVE IS THAT THERE ARE FEWER PEOPLE THE ONE CASE THEY DO HAVE IS THAT THERE ARE FEWER PEOPLE PART-TIME INVOLUNTARILY THAT THERE ARE FEWER PEOPLE PART-TIME INVOLUNTARILY AND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PART-TIME INVOLUNTARILY AND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO AND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE AFFORDABLE SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE SHUTDOWN AND CARE ACT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE SHUTDOWN AND ALL THAT FUROR DIDN'T REALLY IT LOOKS LIKE THE SHUTDOWN AND ALL THAT FUROR DIDN'T REALLY STOP THE ECONOMY.
ALL THAT FUROR DIDN'T REALLY STOP THE ECONOMY.
GWEN: THE WORD THEY'VE BEEN STOP THE ECONOMY.
GWEN: THE WORD THEY'VE BEEN USING INSTEAD IS BECAUSE THE GWEN: THE WORD THEY'VE BEEN USING INSTEAD IS BECAUSE THE RESILIENT IS WHY USING INSTEAD IS BECAUSE THE RESILIENT IS WHY IT'S HAPPENED.
RESILIENT IS WHY IT'S HAPPENED.
THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS PART OF IT IT'S HAPPENED.
THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS PART OF IT GOES SO FAR BECAUSE THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS PART OF IT GOES SO FAR BECAUSE JUST UNDER THE SURFACE, THERE GOES SO FAR BECAUSE JUST UNDER THE SURFACE, THERE WAS A LOT OF EVIDENCE OF JUST UNDER THE SURFACE, THERE WAS A LOT OF EVIDENCE OF UNCERTAINTY.
WAS A LOT OF EVIDENCE OF UNCERTAINTY.
HEADED TO, WHICH IS UNCERTAINTY.
HEADED TO, WHICH IS BANKRUPTCY, AND AMONG MINIMUM HEADED TO, WHICH IS BANKRUPTCY, AND AMONG MINIMUM WAGE WORKERS WHO ARE DEMANDING A BANKRUPTCY, AND AMONG MINIMUM WAGE WORKERS WHO ARE DEMANDING A PIE.R PIECE OF THE WAGE WORKERS WHO ARE DEMANDING A PIE.R PIECE OF THE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAYS OF PIE.R PIECE OF THE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAYS OF LOOKING AT THAT.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAYS OF LOOKING AT THAT.
TRENDS OFBINED LOOKING AT THAT.
TRENDS OFBINED INCREASED INEQUALITY AND TRENDS OFBINED INCREASED INEQUALITY AND DECREASING MOBILITY POSE A INCREASED INEQUALITY AND DECREASING MOBILITY POSE A THREAT TO THE DECREASING MOBILITY POSE A THREAT TO THE AMERICAN DREAM, OUR WAY OF LIFE THREAT TO THE AMERICAN DREAM, OUR WAY OF LIFE AND WHAT WE STAND FOR AROUND THE AMERICAN DREAM, OUR WAY OF LIFE AND WHAT WE STAND FOR AROUND THE GLOBE.
AND WHAT WE STAND FOR AROUND THE GLOBE.
THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT UNDER GLOBE.
THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA OUR COUNTRY HAS THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA OUR COUNTRY HAS CALL A NEW WHAT I'LL PRESIDENT OBAMA OUR COUNTRY HAS CALL A NEW WHAT I'LL NORMAL -- SLOW ECONOMIC GROWTH, CALL A NEW WHAT I'LL NORMAL -- SLOW ECONOMIC GROWTH, HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT, STAGNANT NORMAL -- SLOW ECONOMIC GROWTH, HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT, STAGNANT WAGES.
HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT, STAGNANT WAGES.
GWEN: TAKE YOUR PICK AT WHAT YOU WAGES.
GWEN: TAKE YOUR PICK AT WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE BUT AT THE ROOT GWEN: TAKE YOUR PICK AT WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE BUT AT THE ROOT OF THIS IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WANT TO BELIEVE BUT AT THE ROOT OF THIS IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DISILLUSIONMENT WHICH RUNS DEEP, OF THIS IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DISILLUSIONMENT WHICH RUNS DEEP, MICHAEL.
DISILLUSIONMENT WHICH RUNS DEEP, MICHAEL.
>> THERE ARE DYNAMICS IN THE MICHAEL.
>> THERE ARE DYNAMICS IN THE WERE THERE BEFORE >> THERE ARE DYNAMICS IN THE WERE THERE BEFORE THE DOWNTURN THAT CONTINUE TO WERE THERE BEFORE THE DOWNTURN THAT CONTINUE TO EVIDENCE THEMSELVES AND THE BIG THE DOWNTURN THAT CONTINUE TO EVIDENCE THEMSELVES AND THE BIG PROBLEM IS HOW DO YOU DIVIDE THE EVIDENCE THEMSELVES AND THE BIG PROBLEM IS HOW DO YOU DIVIDE THE ECONOMIC PIE?
PROBLEM IS HOW DO YOU DIVIDE THE ECONOMIC PIE?
IT GOES BACK TO THE PROBLEMS OF ECONOMIC PIE?
IT GOES BACK TO THE PROBLEMS OF THE LATE 1970'S WHERE THE PEOPLE IT GOES BACK TO THE PROBLEMS OF THE LATE 1970'S WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE GETTING MORE OF THE LATE 1970'S WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE GETTING MORE OF THE PIE AND WORKING PEOPLE ARE ARE GETTING MORE OF THE PIE AND WORKING PEOPLE ARE GETTING LESS.
THE PIE AND WORKING PEOPLE ARE GETTING LESS.
IT USED TO BE THAT UNLETTERED GETTING LESS.
IT USED TO BE THAT UNLETTERED PEOPLE COULD GET A GOOD LIVING IT USED TO BE THAT UNLETTERED PEOPLE COULD GET A GOOD LIVING WAGE IN THIS COUNTRY AND THAT'S PEOPLE COULD GET A GOOD LIVING WAGE IN THIS COUNTRY AND THAT'S CHANGING A LOT.
WAGE IN THIS COUNTRY AND THAT'S CHANGING A LOT.
THE DIFFERENCE CHANGING A LOT.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LIVING WAGE AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LIVING WAGE AND MINIMUM WAGE?
BETWEEN A LIVING WAGE AND MINIMUM WAGE?
>> IT'S GROWN BIGGER.
MINIMUM WAGE?
>> IT'S GROWN BIGGER.
WAGE IS ENOUGH MONEY TO >> IT'S GROWN BIGGER.
WAGE IS ENOUGH MONEY TO RAISE A FAMILY ON AND YOU THINK WAGE IS ENOUGH MONEY TO RAISE A FAMILY ON AND YOU THINK ABOUT THE KEY THINGS IN OUR RAISE A FAMILY ON AND YOU THINK ABOUT THE KEY THINGS IN OUR ECONOMY THAT SOMEONE HAS TO DO ABOUT THE KEY THINGS IN OUR ECONOMY THAT SOMEONE HAS TO DO TO RAISE A FAMILY -- EDUCATION, ECONOMY THAT SOMEONE HAS TO DO TO RAISE A FAMILY -- EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE -- THESE ARE THE TO RAISE A FAMILY -- EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE -- THESE ARE THE MOST INHAT HAVE GONE UP HEALTHCARE -- THESE ARE THE MOST INHAT HAVE GONE UP PRICE MEANWHILE WAGES HAVE BEEN MOST INHAT HAVE GONE UP PRICE MEANWHILE WAGES HAVE BEEN FLAT OVER THE LAST 12, 13 YEARS, PRICE MEANWHILE WAGES HAVE BEEN FLAT OVER THE LAST 12, 13 YEARS, REAL WAGES HAVE BEEN FLAT AND FLAT OVER THE LAST 12, 13 YEARS, REAL WAGES HAVE BEEN FLAT AND INSECURITY IS GROWING.
REAL WAGES HAVE BEEN FLAT AND INSECURITY IS GROWING.
YOU MENTIONED DETROIT -- INSECURITY IS GROWING.
YOU MENTIONED DETROIT -- TIME,NS FOR THE FIRST YOU MENTIONED DETROIT -- TIME,NS FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC PENSIONS ARE ON THE TIME,NS FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC PENSIONS ARE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK IN THIS PUBLIC PENSIONS ARE ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK IN THIS BANKRUPTCY WHICH HAVE CHOPPING BLOCK IN THIS BANKRUPTCY WHICH HAVE IMPLICATIONS FOR OTHER CITIES BANKRUPTCY WHICH HAVE IMPLICATIONS FOR OTHER CITIES THAT ARE STRESSED FISCALLY SO IMPLICATIONS FOR OTHER CITIES THAT ARE STRESSED FISCALLY SO WORKING PEOPLE ARE IN A THAT ARE STRESSED FISCALLY SO WORKING PEOPLE ARE IN A MOMENT HERE THAT THEY HAVEN'T WORKING PEOPLE ARE IN A MOMENT HERE THAT THEY HAVEN'T TIME.N IN A LONG MOMENT HERE THAT THEY HAVEN'T TIME.N IN A LONG GWEN: IS THERE A DISCONNECT, TIME.N IN A LONG GWEN: IS THERE A DISCONNECT, DAVID, BETWEEN WHAT MICHAEL IS GWEN: IS THERE A DISCONNECT, DAVID, BETWEEN WHAT MICHAEL IS TALKING ABOUT IN CITIES LIKE DAVID, BETWEEN WHAT MICHAEL IS TALKING ABOUT IN CITIES LIKE DETROIT AND AT MCDONALD'S TALKING ABOUT IN CITIES LIKE DETROIT AND AT MCDONALD'S RESTAURANTS AROUND THE COUNTRY DETROIT AND AT MCDONALD'S RESTAURANTS AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE RESTAURANTS AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE ECONOMICALLY?
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE ECONOMICALLY?
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
ECONOMICALLY?
>> I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK THE TIDE IS RISING, BUT >> I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK THE TIDE IS RISING, BUT MICHAEL'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT I THINK THE TIDE IS RISING, BUT MICHAEL'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT MORE AND MORE OF THE GOODIES ARE MICHAEL'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT MORE AND MORE OF THE GOODIES ARE GOING TO PEOPLE AT THE TOP.
MORE AND MORE OF THE GOODIES ARE GOING TO PEOPLE AT THE TOP.
BLANKFINE, THE C.E.O.
OF GOING TO PEOPLE AT THE TOP.
BLANKFINE, THE C.E.O.
OF GOLDMAN SACHS, DID AN INTERVIEW BLANKFINE, THE C.E.O.
OF GOLDMAN SACHS, DID AN INTERVIEW WITH "FORTUNE MAGAZINE" AND HE GOLDMAN SACHS, DID AN INTERVIEW WITH "FORTUNE MAGAZINE" AND HE SAID THE COUNTRY IS VERY WITH "FORTUNE MAGAZINE" AND HE SAID THE COUNTRY IS VERY GOOD AT DISTRIBUTING IT AND I SAID THE COUNTRY IS VERY GOOD AT DISTRIBUTING IT AND I PICKINGE PRESIDENT WAS GOOD AT DISTRIBUTING IT AND I PICKINGE PRESIDENT WAS UP ON SOMETHING AND YOU CAN SEE PICKINGE PRESIDENT WAS UP ON SOMETHING AND YOU CAN SEE MUNICIPALITIES RAISING THE UP ON SOMETHING AND YOU CAN SEE MUNICIPALITIES RAISING THE GAPMUM WAGE, THAT THE MUNICIPALITIES RAISING THE GAPMUM WAGE, THAT THE BETWEEN WINNERS AND LOSERRERS IS GAPMUM WAGE, THAT THE BETWEEN WINNERS AND LOSERRERS IS UNCOMFORTABLY LARGE.
BETWEEN WINNERS AND LOSERRERS IS UNCOMFORTABLY LARGE.
THING THEHER UNCOMFORTABLY LARGE.
THING THEHER PRESIDENT WAS TRYING TO DO TO THING THEHER PRESIDENT WAS TRYING TO DO TO CLOSE THE GAP, GOING BACK TO THE PRESIDENT WAS TRYING TO DO TO CLOSE THE GAP, GOING BACK TO THE HEALTHCARE LAW.
CLOSE THE GAP, GOING BACK TO THE HEALTHCARE LAW.
TO PEOPLE WHO WERE SUPPOSED HEALTHCARE LAW.
TO PEOPLE WHO WERE SUPPOSED BENEFIT THE MOST GREATLY FROM TO PEOPLE WHO WERE SUPPOSED BENEFIT THE MOST GREATLY FROM THIS ARE THE POOR.
BENEFIT THE MOST GREATLY FROM THIS ARE THE POOR.
OUTNO ONE WAS SAYING THAT THIS ARE THE POOR.
OUTNO ONE WAS SAYING THAT LOUD BUT THAT WAS GOING TO BE OUTNO ONE WAS SAYING THAT LOUD BUT THAT WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE INTENDED BENEFITS.
LOUD BUT THAT WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE INTENDED BENEFITS.
BECAUSE OF THE FLAWED ROLLOUT, ONE OF THE INTENDED BENEFITS.
BECAUSE OF THE FLAWED ROLLOUT, THAT CHANGED?
BECAUSE OF THE FLAWED ROLLOUT, THAT CHANGED?
>> WELL, IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY THAT CHANGED?
>> WELL, IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY WAS MAKING WASE >> WELL, IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY WAS MAKING WASE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS ALL WAS MAKING WASE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS ALL PART OF A WEEK IN WHICH HE HAS THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS ALL PART OF A WEEK IN WHICH HE HAS ENOUGH ABOUT THE PART OF A WEEK IN WHICH HE HAS ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROGRETHAT HE WENT ON THE OFFEN.
ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROGRETHAT HE WENT ON THE OFFEN.
HE'S BEEN ON THE DEFENSIVE FOR PROGRETHAT HE WENT ON THE OFFEN.
HE'S BEEN ON THE DEFENSIVE FOR OVER TWO MONTHS.
HE'S BEEN ON THE DEFENSIVE FOR OVER TWO MONTHS.
AND THAT AS HE SAID IT IN HIS OVER TWO MONTHS.
AND THAT AS HE SAID IT IN HIS WEEK, THAT THE AND THAT AS HE SAID IT IN HIS WEEK, THAT THE SINGLE BIGGEST FACTOR THAT WEEK, THAT THE SINGLE BIGGEST FACTOR THAT CAUSES ECONOMIC INSECURITY FOR SINGLE BIGGEST FACTOR THAT CAUSES ECONOMIC INSECURITY FOR SOME PEOPLE AND PREVENTS THEM CAUSES ECONOMIC INSECURITY FOR SOME PEOPLE AND PREVENTS THEM FROM GETTING ON THE LADDER TO SOME PEOPLE AND PREVENTS THEM FROM GETTING ON THE LADDER TO THE MIDDLE CLASS ARE HEALTHCARE FROM GETTING ON THE LADDER TO THE MIDDLE CLASS ARE HEALTHCARE KNOW, SOMETHING THE MIDDLE CLASS ARE HEALTHCARE KNOW, SOMETHING HAPPENS WITHIN THEIR FAMILY THAT KNOW, SOMETHING HAPPENS WITHIN THEIR FAMILY THAT JUST LITERALLY DRIVES SOME HAPPENS WITHIN THEIR FAMILY THAT JUST LITERALLY DRIVES SOME PEOPLE BANKRUPT AND THAT IS WHAT JUST LITERALLY DRIVES SOME PEOPLE BANKRUPT AND THAT IS WHAT HE'S TRYING -- THIS IS PERHAPS PEOPLE BANKRUPT AND THAT IS WHAT HE'S TRYING -- THIS IS PERHAPS THE BIGGEST STEP HE'S TAKEN TO HE'S TRYING -- THIS IS PERHAPS THE BIGGEST STEP HE'S TAKEN TO SORT OF ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS HE THE BIGGEST STEP HE'S TAKEN TO SORT OF ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
SORT OF ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
GWEN: DO WE KNOW THAT HEALTHCARE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
GWEN: DO WE KNOW THAT HEALTHCARE GOING DOWN AS A GWEN: DO WE KNOW THAT HEALTHCARE GOING DOWN AS A RESULT?
GOING DOWN AS A RESULT?
>> NOBODY REALLY KNOWS.
RESULT?
>> NOBODY REALLY KNOWS.
IT'S JUST -- RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE >> NOBODY REALLY KNOWS.
IT'S JUST -- RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THERE'S ENOUGH IT'S JUST -- RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THERE'S ENOUGH OF A DECREASE -- THE TREND IS KNOW IS THAT THERE'S ENOUGH OF A DECREASE -- THE TREND IS SUCH THAT YOU CAN'T JUST OF A DECREASE -- THE TREND IS SUCH THAT YOU CAN'T JUST ATTRIBUTE IT TO THE FACT THAT SUCH THAT YOU CAN'T JUST ATTRIBUTE IT TO THE FACT THAT THE RECESSION IS OVER.
ATTRIBUTE IT TO THE FACT THAT THE RECESSION IS OVER.
>> SLOWING.
THE RECESSION IS OVER.
>> SLOWING.
BEEN INTERESTING, >> SLOWING.
BEEN INTERESTING, YOU TALK ABOUT THE A.C.A., BEEN INTERESTING, YOU TALK ABOUT THE A.C.A., ALREADY, HALF THE STATES HAVE YOU TALK ABOUT THE A.C.A., ALREADY, HALF THE STATES HAVE NOT EXPANDED MEDICAID AND THAT ALREADY, HALF THE STATES HAVE NOT EXPANDED MEDICAID AND THAT LEAVES THE MOST VULNERABLE NOT EXPANDED MEDICAID AND THAT LEAVES THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE OUT OF THE BENEFITS OF LEAVES THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE OUT OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS LAW FOR NOW.
PEOPLE OUT OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS LAW FOR NOW.
>> IN THE STATES THAT HAVE THIS LAW FOR NOW.
>> IN THE STATES THAT HAVE EXPANDED MEDICAID, THE POOR ARE >> IN THE STATES THAT HAVE EXPANDED MEDICAID, THE POOR ARE REALLY -- EXPANDED MEDICAID, THE POOR ARE REALLY -- >> AS LONG AS THE PAPERWORK IS REALLY -- >> AS LONG AS THE PAPERWORK IS DONE.
>> AS LONG AS THE PAPERWORK IS DONE.
>> THEY'RE THE PRIME DONE.
>> THEY'RE THE PRIME BENEFICIARIES.
>> THEY'RE THE PRIME BENEFICIARIES.
>> RIGHT.
BENEFICIARIES.
>> RIGHT.
STATES WHERE THE >> RIGHT.
STATES WHERE THE GOVERNORS OR LEGISLATURES HAVE STATES WHERE THE GOVERNORS OR LEGISLATURES HAVE TO EXPAND MEDICAID, GOVERNORS OR LEGISLATURES HAVE TO EXPAND MEDICAID, THEY'VE CALLED IT A FISCALLY TO EXPAND MEDICAID, THEY'VE CALLED IT A FISCALLY PRUDENT DECISION, THAT IT COSTS THEY'VE CALLED IT A FISCALLY PRUDENT DECISION, THAT IT COSTS TOO MUCH MONEY BUT WHAT WE'VE PRUDENT DECISION, THAT IT COSTS TOO MUCH MONEY BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS TAXPAYERS TOO MUCH MONEY BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS TAXPAYERS HOSPITALS MONEY TO DONE IN THE PAST IS TAXPAYERS HOSPITALS MONEY TO THAT SERVE A LOT OF UNINSURED OR HOSPITALS MONEY TO THAT SERVE A LOT OF UNINSURED OR I UNDERSTAND DENT PATIENTS SO THAT SERVE A LOT OF UNINSURED OR I UNDERSTAND DENT PATIENTS SO MONEY FROM THE TAXPAYERS WAS I UNDERSTAND DENT PATIENTS SO MONEY FROM THE TAXPAYERS WAS GOING TO HOSPITALS.
MONEY FROM THE TAXPAYERS WAS GOING TO HOSPITALS.
LONGER GOES TO THE GOING TO HOSPITALS.
LONGER GOES TO THE HOSPITALS THAT SERVE A LOT OF LONGER GOES TO THE HOSPITALS THAT SERVE A LOT OF THATENTS BUT WAS DESIGNED HOSPITALS THAT SERVE A LOT OF THATENTS BUT WAS DESIGNED IT GOES TO THE PEOPLE WHO BY THATENTS BUT WAS DESIGNED IT GOES TO THE PEOPLE WHO BY GETTING INSURANCE THROUGH IT GOES TO THE PEOPLE WHO BY GETTING INSURANCE THROUGH THEIR HEALTH TREAT GETTING INSURANCE THROUGH THEIR HEALTH TREAT PROBLEMS SOONER AND COULD BE THEIR HEALTH TREAT PROBLEMS SOONER AND COULD BE LESS COSTLY.
PROBLEMS SOONER AND COULD BE LESS COSTLY.
ABOUT THEME ASK YOU LESS COSTLY.
ABOUT THEME ASK YOU MINIMUM WAGE IDEA AND THE ABOUT THEME ASK YOU MINIMUM WAGE IDEA AND THE DETROIT BANKRUPTCY.
MINIMUM WAGE IDEA AND THE DETROIT BANKRUPTCY.
WAS THE FEDERAL DETROIT BANKRUPTCY.
WAS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IN THIS WAS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IN THIS SUPPOSED TO BE?
GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IN THIS SUPPOSED TO BE?
RAISEDHE PRESIDENT HAVE SUPPOSED TO BE?
RAISEDHE PRESIDENT HAVE THE MINIMUM WAGE OR COULD HE RAISEDHE PRESIDENT HAVE THE MINIMUM WAGE OR COULD HE HAVE STEPPED IN TO THIS PROCESS THE MINIMUM WAGE OR COULD HE HAVE STEPPED IN TO THIS PROCESS IN A BIG CITY LIKE DETROIT AND HAVE STEPPED IN TO THIS PROCESS IN A BIG CITY LIKE DETROIT AND KEPT IT FROM GOING OVER THE IN A BIG CITY LIKE DETROIT AND KEPT IT FROM GOING OVER THE BRINK?
KEPT IT FROM GOING OVER THE BRINK?
THE WORD BAILOUT IN BRINK?
THE WORD BAILOUT IN WASHINGTON AND SEE THE REACTION THE WORD BAILOUT IN WASHINGTON AND SEE THE REACTION YOU WOULD GET AND THAT'S WHAT IT WASHINGTON AND SEE THE REACTION YOU WOULD GET AND THAT'S WHAT IT HAVE TAKEN FOR DETROIT AND YOU WOULD GET AND THAT'S WHAT IT HAVE TAKEN FOR DETROIT AND THEY NEEDED A LOT OF MONEY.
HAVE TAKEN FOR DETROIT AND THEY NEEDED A LOT OF MONEY.
-- $18 BILLION IN DEBT THEY NEEDED A LOT OF MONEY.
-- $18 BILLION IN DEBT IS A LOT OF MONEY.
-- $18 BILLION IN DEBT IS A LOT OF MONEY.
$9 PRESIDENT PROPOSED A IS A LOT OF MONEY.
$9 PRESIDENT PROPOSED A MINIMUM WAGE.
$9 PRESIDENT PROPOSED A MINIMUM WAGE.
RECENTLY THE ADMINISTRATION'S MINIMUM WAGE.
RECENTLY THE ADMINISTRATION'S INDICATED THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF A RECENTLY THE ADMINISTRATION'S INDICATED THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF A $10 MINIMUM WAGE BUT THE $9 ONE INDICATED THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF A $10 MINIMUM WAGE BUT THE $9 ONE DIDN'T MOVE.
$10 MINIMUM WAGE BUT THE $9 ONE DIDN'T MOVE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T MOVE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO CONVINCED YOU RAISE YOUR THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO CONVINCED YOU RAISE YOUR INCOME BY RAISING YOUR EDUCATION CONVINCED YOU RAISE YOUR INCOME BY RAISING YOUR EDUCATION YOUR SKILL LEVEL INCOME BY RAISING YOUR EDUCATION YOUR SKILL LEVEL AND YOU'LL GET A BETTER WAGE AND YOUR SKILL LEVEL AND YOU'LL GET A BETTER WAGE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, LOOK AT AND YOU'LL GET A BETTER WAGE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, LOOK AT AUTO MANUFACTURING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, LOOK AT AUTO MANUFACTURING.
WHAT WAS INHERENT ABOUT THOSE AUTO MANUFACTURING.
WHAT WAS INHERENT ABOUT THOSE YOU WOULD GET $27 AN WHAT WAS INHERENT ABOUT THOSE YOU WOULD GET $27 AN CADILLAC BENEFIT PLANS.
YOU WOULD GET $27 AN CADILLAC BENEFIT PLANS.
IT WAS THE LEVERAGE FROM THE CADILLAC BENEFIT PLANS.
IT WAS THE LEVERAGE FROM THE UNIONS.
IT WAS THE LEVERAGE FROM THE UNIONS.
GWEN: THE LEVERAGE WE'RE TALKED UNIONS.
GWEN: THE LEVERAGE WE'RE TALKED ABOUT HAS GONE AWAY.
GWEN: THE LEVERAGE WE'RE TALKED ABOUT HAS GONE AWAY.
PENSIONS ANDSING ABOUT HAS GONE AWAY.
PENSIONS ANDSING MAKING PENSIONS A GUARANTEE IS PENSIONS ANDSING MAKING PENSIONS A GUARANTEE IS AT THE HEART OF A LOT OF THIS MAKING PENSIONS A GUARANTEE IS AT THE HEART OF A LOT OF THIS MEANS PEOPLE -- WHAT AT THE HEART OF A LOT OF THIS MEANS PEOPLE -- WHAT WAS CONSIDERED SACROSANCT NO MEANS PEOPLE -- WHAT WAS CONSIDERED SACROSANCT NO IN EXCHANGE FOR WAS CONSIDERED SACROSANCT NO IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SACRIFICE FOR THE GREATER GOOD.
THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SACRIFICE FOR THE GREATER GOOD.
>> ON THE PENSIONS, THE PROBLEM SACRIFICE FOR THE GREATER GOOD.
>> ON THE PENSIONS, THE PROBLEM IS, FOR PRIVATE SECTOR WORKERS, >> ON THE PENSIONS, THE PROBLEM IS, FOR PRIVATE SECTOR WORKERS, THEY'D GONE THROUGH THIS SO IT IS, FOR PRIVATE SECTOR WORKERS, THEY'D GONE THROUGH THIS SO IT WAS VERY HARD TO CONVINCE THEY'D GONE THROUGH THIS SO IT WAS VERY HARD TO CONVINCE THEY SHOULD PAY WAS VERY HARD TO CONVINCE THEY SHOULD PAY TAXES IN A CITY LIKE DETROIT SO THEY SHOULD PAY TAXES IN A CITY LIKE DETROIT SO EMPLOYEES COULD GET TAXES IN A CITY LIKE DETROIT SO EMPLOYEES COULD GET GENEROUS PENSIONS.
EMPLOYEES COULD GET GENEROUS PENSIONS.
SO I THINK IT BEGAN WHEN IT CUT GENEROUS PENSIONS.
SO I THINK IT BEGAN WHEN IT CUT THE PRIVATE PENSIONS.
SO I THINK IT BEGAN WHEN IT CUT THE PRIVATE PENSIONS.
I THINK THE INTERESTING THING IN THE PRIVATE PENSIONS.
I THINK THE INTERESTING THING IN DETROIT IS THAT THE BANKRUPTCY I THINK THE INTERESTING THING IN DETROIT IS THAT THE BANKRUPTCY EVEN THOUGH THE DETROIT IS THAT THE BANKRUPTCY EVEN THOUGH THE CONSTITUTION SAYS YOU CAN'T CUT EVEN THOUGH THE CONSTITUTION SAYS YOU CAN'T CUT PENSIONS, HE SAID YOU CAN AND CONSTITUTION SAYS YOU CAN'T CUT PENSIONS, HE SAID YOU CAN AND THAT RAHM EMANUEL IN PENSIONS, HE SAID YOU CAN AND THAT RAHM EMANUEL IN CHICAGO IS LOOKING AT THAT.
THAT RAHM EMANUEL IN CHICAGO IS LOOKING AT THAT.
>> THE MAYOR OF L.A. CHICAGO IS LOOKING AT THAT.
>> THE MAYOR OF L.A. CALIFORNIA, AS WELL.
>> THE MAYOR OF L.A. CALIFORNIA, AS WELL.
>> SAN JOSE.
CALIFORNIA, AS WELL.
>> SAN JOSE.
DECISION.S A HUGE >> SAN JOSE.
DECISION.S A HUGE GWEN: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS, DECISION.S A HUGE GWEN: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS, THOUGH.
GWEN: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THIS, THOUGH.
ONE OF THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS IN THOUGH.
ONE OF THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS IN ABOUT UNEMPLOYMENT ONE OF THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS IN ABOUT UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, EXTENDING UNEMPLOYMENT ABOUT UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, EXTENDING UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, WHETHER IT'S A BENEFITS, EXTENDING UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, WHETHER IT'S A TRADEOFF FOR THE BUDGET OR BENEFITS, WHETHER IT'S A TRADEOFF FOR THE BUDGET OR WHAT IS A CHANCE TRADEOFF FOR THE BUDGET OR WHAT IS A CHANCE THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHAT IS A CHANCE THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND ECONOMICDOES THE GOOD THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND ECONOMICDOES THE GOOD NEWS DEPENDING ON SOMETHING LIKE ECONOMICDOES THE GOOD NEWS DEPENDING ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
NEWS DEPENDING ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
>> JOHN BOEHNER SAID THE GOOD THAT?
>> JOHN BOEHNER SAID THE GOOD ECONOMIC NEWS MEANS IT'S NOT >> JOHN BOEHNER SAID THE GOOD ECONOMIC NEWS MEANS IT'S NOT NECESSARY BUT PEOPLE ON THE ECONOMIC NEWS MEANS IT'S NOT NECESSARY BUT PEOPLE ON THE ARER SIDE WOULD SAY, THERE NECESSARY BUT PEOPLE ON THE ARER SIDE WOULD SAY, THERE FOUR MILLION PEOPLE OUT OF WORK ARER SIDE WOULD SAY, THERE FOUR MILLION PEOPLE OUT OF WORK SIX MONTHS OR MORE.
FOUR MILLION PEOPLE OUT OF WORK SIX MONTHS OR MORE.
IN OF THE DECLINE SIX MONTHS OR MORE.
IN OF THE DECLINE UNEMPLOYMENT LAST MONTH WAS IN IN OF THE DECLINE UNEMPLOYMENT LAST MONTH WAS IN PEOPLE WHO WERE UNEMPLOYED FOR A UNEMPLOYMENT LAST MONTH WAS IN PEOPLE WHO WERE UNEMPLOYED FOR A ISN'T ITIOD OF TIME SO PEOPLE WHO WERE UNEMPLOYED FOR A ISN'T ITIOD OF TIME SO CRUEL TO TAKE AWAY UNEMPLOYMENT ISN'T ITIOD OF TIME SO CRUEL TO TAKE AWAY UNEMPLOYMENT MEANT TOTHAT WEREN'T CRUEL TO TAKE AWAY UNEMPLOYMENT MEANT TOTHAT WEREN'T BE TEMPORARY UNTIL THE ECONOMY MEANT TOTHAT WEREN'T BE TEMPORARY UNTIL THE ECONOMY GETS STRONGER AND OTHER PEOPLE BE TEMPORARY UNTIL THE ECONOMY GETS STRONGER AND OTHER PEOPLE CUT THE UNEMPLOYMENT GETS STRONGER AND OTHER PEOPLE CUT THE UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, YOU YOU MAY DISCOURAGE CUT THE UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS, YOU YOU MAY DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM EVER GOING BACK TO BENEFITS, YOU YOU MAY DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM EVER GOING BACK TO WORK AND THEY MAY TRY TO GET ON PEOPLE FROM EVER GOING BACK TO WORK AND THEY MAY TRY TO GET ON DISABILITY.
WORK AND THEY MAY TRY TO GET ON DISABILITY.
GOING.
SURE WHERE IT'S DISABILITY.
GOING.
SURE WHERE IT'S IT'S NOT CHLOR THE DEMOCRATS GOING.
SURE WHERE IT'S IT'S NOT CHLOR THE DEMOCRATS HAVE THE MUSCLE TO DO IT.
IT'S NOT CHLOR THE DEMOCRATS HAVE THE MUSCLE TO DO IT.
IS, IT'S AVER IT HAVE THE MUSCLE TO DO IT.
IS, IT'S AVER IT SALES JOB UNDERWAY.
IS, IT'S AVER IT SALES JOB UNDERWAY.
THAT WAS THE KEY ON THE SALES JOB UNDERWAY.
THAT WAS THE KEY ON THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, TO GET THIS THAT WAS THE KEY ON THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, TO GET THIS BUT ALSO BEGIN TO AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, TO GET THIS BUT ALSO BEGIN TO SELL IT.
BUT ALSO BEGIN TO SELL IT.
THEY SOUNDED LIKE THEY WOULD PUT SELL IT.
THEY SOUNDED LIKE THEY WOULD PUT SAID, AND THE PRESIDENT THEY SOUNDED LIKE THEY WOULD PUT SAID, AND THE PRESIDENT I'M GOING TO STIR IT UP.
SAID, AND THE PRESIDENT I'M GOING TO STIR IT UP.
WHERE ARE THEY?
I'M GOING TO STIR IT UP.
WHERE ARE THEY?
THINK THEY HAVE DECIDED THE WHERE ARE THEY?
THINK THEY HAVE DECIDED THE BEST THING FOR THEM TO DO IS TO THINK THEY HAVE DECIDED THE BEST THING FOR THEM TO DO IS TO OFFENSIVE.
BEST THING FOR THEM TO DO IS TO OFFENSIVE.
GWEN: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, BEING OFFENSIVE.
GWEN: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, BEING ON THE OFFENSIVE?
GWEN: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, BEING ON THE OFFENSIVE?
>> THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT -- HE ON THE OFFENSIVE?
>> THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT -- HE WEBSITE'S FOR THE >> THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT -- HE WEBSITE'S FOR THE PROBLEMS, THEY WILL CONTINUE, AS WEBSITE'S FOR THE PROBLEMS, THEY WILL CONTINUE, AS STORIES COME UP, THEY'LL HAVE TO PROBLEMS, THEY WILL CONTINUE, AS STORIES COME UP, THEY'LL HAVE TO RESPOND, THEY'LL HAVE TO BE ON STORIES COME UP, THEY'LL HAVE TO RESPOND, THEY'LL HAVE TO BE ON FUTURE, ASVE IN THE RESPOND, THEY'LL HAVE TO BE ON FUTURE, ASVE IN THE WELL.
FUTURE, ASVE IN THE WELL.
BUT THEY'RE PROMOTING THE THINGS WELL.
BUT THEY'RE PROMOTING THE THINGS ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY BUT THEY'RE PROMOTING THE THINGS ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY BENEFITING FROM, THE 85% OF US ARE PEOPLE ACTUALLY BENEFITING FROM, THE 85% OF US WHO HAVE EMPLOYER PROVIDED BENEFITING FROM, THE 85% OF US WHO HAVE EMPLOYER PROVIDED ACTUALLYSURANCE WHO WHO HAVE EMPLOYER PROVIDED ACTUALLYSURANCE WHO GET BENEFITS AS A RESULT, YOU ACTUALLYSURANCE WHO GET BENEFITS AS A RESULT, YOU KNOW, A CHILD WHO'S UNDER 26 GET BENEFITS AS A RESULT, YOU KNOW, A CHILD WHO'S UNDER 26 WHO'S ON YOUR POLICY, THE PEOPLE KNOW, A CHILD WHO'S UNDER 26 WHO'S ON YOUR POLICY, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS WHO'S ON YOUR POLICY, THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS GET INSURANCE.
WHO HAVE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS GET INSURANCE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY, YOU GET INSURANCE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY, YOU THEY WEREN'T GAINING BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY, YOU THEY WEREN'T GAINING ANYTHING BY BEING ON THE THEY WEREN'T GAINING ANYTHING BY BEING ON THE DEFENSIVE.
ANYTHING BY BEING ON THE DEFENSIVE.
YOU SAW WHAT IT DID IN THE POLLS DEFENSIVE.
YOU SAW WHAT IT DID IN THE POLLS SO IT'S LIKE THIS IS HIS LEGACY, YOU SAW WHAT IT DID IN THE POLLS SO IT'S LIKE THIS IS HIS LEGACY, -- SIGNATURENT SO IT'S LIKE THIS IS HIS LEGACY, -- SIGNATURENT ACHIEVEMENT, HE'S GOT TO STAND -- SIGNATURENT ACHIEVEMENT, HE'S GOT TO STAND IT.
ACHIEVEMENT, HE'S GOT TO STAND IT.
AND IN ADDITION TO FIXING THE IT.
AND IN ADDITION TO FIXING THE WEBSITE, THEY'RE BRINGING AND IN ADDITION TO FIXING THE WEBSITE, THEY'RE BRINGING PHIL SHALERRO WHO WAS WEBSITE, THEY'RE BRINGING PHIL SHALERRO WHO WAS PRESIDENT OBAMA'S CHIEF PHIL SHALERRO WHO WAS PRESIDENT OBAMA'S CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL LOBBYIST TWO YEARS PRESIDENT OBAMA'S CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL LOBBYIST TWO YEARS NEWFLED TO MEXICO FOR A CONGRESSIONAL LOBBYIST TWO YEARS NEWFLED TO MEXICO FOR A LIFE, HE'S COMING IN TO BE A NEWFLED TO MEXICO FOR A LIFE, HE'S COMING IN TO BE A TROUBLESHOOTER AGAINST PROBLEMS LIFE, HE'S COMING IN TO BE A TROUBLESHOOTER AGAINST PROBLEMS ARISE IN CONGRESS.
TROUBLESHOOTER AGAINST PROBLEMS ARISE IN CONGRESS.
>> I THINK IT'S WISHFUL ARISE IN CONGRESS.
>> I THINK IT'S WISHFUL THINKING.
>> I THINK IT'S WISHFUL THINKING.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO THINKING.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE PLAGUED UNTIL THE I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE PLAGUED UNTIL THE SYSTEM'S FUNCTIONING AND IT CONTINUE TO BE PLAGUED UNTIL THE SYSTEM'S FUNCTIONING AND IT GOING TO BEHAT'S SYSTEM'S FUNCTIONING AND IT GOING TO BEHAT'S QUITE A WHILE.
GOING TO BEHAT'S QUITE A WHILE.
GWEN: IN THE END WE'RE TALKING QUITE A WHILE.
GWEN: IN THE END WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GAP THAT EXISTS, GWEN: IN THE END WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GAP THAT EXISTS, WHETHER IT'S GAPS IN COVERAGE, ABOUT THE GAP THAT EXISTS, WHETHER IT'S GAPS IN COVERAGE, IN INCOME, GAPS IN THE WHETHER IT'S GAPS IN COVERAGE, IN INCOME, GAPS IN THE JOBLESS RATE.
IN INCOME, GAPS IN THE JOBLESS RATE.
THERE ACTUALLY ANYTHING ON JOBLESS RATE.
THERE ACTUALLY ANYTHING ON THE TABLE EITHER COMING FROM THERE ACTUALLY ANYTHING ON THE TABLE EITHER COMING FROM REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, GREEN THE TABLE EITHER COMING FROM REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, GREEN PEOPLE -- DOESN'T MATTER -- REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, GREEN PEOPLE -- DOESN'T MATTER -- WHICH WOULD SPEAK TO CLOSING PEOPLE -- DOESN'T MATTER -- WHICH WOULD SPEAK TO CLOSING THOSE GAPS?
WHICH WOULD SPEAK TO CLOSING THOSE GAPS?
MINIMUM REFERENCED THE THOSE GAPS?
MINIMUM REFERENCED THE WAGE INCREASES WE'VE SEEN IN MINIMUM REFERENCED THE WAGE INCREASES WE'VE SEEN IN LOCALITIES AND STATES AROUND THE WAGE INCREASES WE'VE SEEN IN LOCALITIES AND STATES AROUND THE COUNTRY.
LOCALITIES AND STATES AROUND THE COUNTRY.
THERE'S TALK IN CONGRESS EVEN COUNTRY.
THERE'S TALK IN CONGRESS EVEN BOLSTERING SOCIAL SECURITY THERE'S TALK IN CONGRESS EVEN BOLSTERING SOCIAL SECURITY ATEFITS BECAUSE PEOPLE LOOK BOLSTERING SOCIAL SECURITY ATEFITS BECAUSE PEOPLE LOOK THE RETIREMENT GAPS.
ATEFITS BECAUSE PEOPLE LOOK THE RETIREMENT GAPS.
PENSIONS HAVE GONE AWAY PRETTY THE RETIREMENT GAPS.
PENSIONS HAVE GONE AWAY PRETTY SECTOR.THE PRIVATE PENSIONS HAVE GONE AWAY PRETTY SECTOR.THE PRIVATE WHAT'S REPLACED THEM?
SECTOR.THE PRIVATE WHAT'S REPLACED THEM?
NOT MUCH.
WHAT'S REPLACED THEM?
NOT MUCH.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE INSECURE NOT MUCH.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE INSECURE TO RETIREMENT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE INSECURE TO RETIREMENT.
PEOPLE SAYING WE HAVE TO DO TO RETIREMENT.
PEOPLE SAYING WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO BOLSTER SOCIAL PEOPLE SAYING WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO BOLSTER SOCIAL SECURITY WHICH IS AGAINST THE SOMETHING TO BOLSTER SOCIAL SECURITY WHICH IS AGAINST THE TIDE.
SECURITY WHICH IS AGAINST THE TIDE.
I THINK THERE'S A COMMON TIDE.
I THINK THERE'S A COMMON UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S I THINK THERE'S A COMMON UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH WHAT WE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH WHAT WE THE TO THINK OF AS SOMETHING WRONG WITH WHAT WE THE TO THINK OF AS OPPORTUNITY SOCIETY, THAT IT'S THE TO THINK OF AS OPPORTUNITY SOCIETY, THAT IT'S HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO RISE FROM OPPORTUNITY SOCIETY, THAT IT'S HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO RISE FROM CLASS.
UP TO THE MIDDLE HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO RISE FROM CLASS.
UP TO THE MIDDLE I'VE HEARD PAUL RYAN TALK ABOUT CLASS.
UP TO THE MIDDLE I'VE HEARD PAUL RYAN TALK ABOUT ABOUT BARACK OBAMA TALK I'VE HEARD PAUL RYAN TALK ABOUT ABOUT BARACK OBAMA TALK IT.
ABOUT BARACK OBAMA TALK IT.
GWEN: THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME IT.
GWEN: THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME SOLUTIONS.
GWEN: THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME SOLUTIONS.
>> THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME SOLUTIONS.
>> THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME SOLUTIONS AND I'M NOT SURE >> THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME SOLUTIONS AND I'M NOT SURE EITHER ONE OF THEM HAS A SOLUTIONS AND I'M NOT SURE EITHER ONE OF THEM HAS A WORKABLE SOLUTION.
EITHER ONE OF THEM HAS A WORKABLE SOLUTION.
GWEN: WE HAVE ANOTHER PART OF WORKABLE SOLUTION.
GWEN: WE HAVE ANOTHER PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE WANT TO GWEN: WE HAVE ANOTHER PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE WANT TO CONTINUE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THE DISCUSSION WE WANT TO CONTINUE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT YOU TONIGHT WITHOUT CONTINUE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT YOU TONIGHT WITHOUT TURNING TO THE PASSING OF ONE OF YOU TONIGHT WITHOUT TURNING TO THE PASSING OF ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT LEADERS OF TURNING TO THE PASSING OF ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT LEADERS OF OUR TIME.
THE MOST SIGNIFICANT LEADERS OF OUR TIME.
WORLD MANDELA SHAPED THE OUR TIME.
WORLD MANDELA SHAPED THE HE LIVED IN AND DEEPLY WORLD MANDELA SHAPED THE HE LIVED IN AND DEEPLY INFLUENCED AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT HE LIVED IN AND DEEPLY INFLUENCED AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT WHO SAYS HIS FIRST POLITICAL ACT INFLUENCED AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT WHO SAYS HIS FIRST POLITICAL ACT TO PROTEST APARTHEID.
WHO SAYS HIS FIRST POLITICAL ACT TO PROTEST APARTHEID.
HE WAS RELEASED FROM TO PROTEST APARTHEID.
HE WAS RELEASED FROM GIVEN GIVES ME A SENSE OF WHAT HE WAS RELEASED FROM GIVEN GIVES ME A SENSE OF WHAT WHEN GUIDED CAN DO GIVEN GIVES ME A SENSE OF WHAT WHEN GUIDED CAN DO BY HOPES AND NOT THEIR FEARS.
WHEN GUIDED CAN DO BY HOPES AND NOT THEIR FEARS.
LIKE SO MANY, I CANNOT IMAGINE BY HOPES AND NOT THEIR FEARS.
LIKE SO MANY, I CANNOT IMAGINE THE EXAMPLE THAT LIKE SO MANY, I CANNOT IMAGINE THE EXAMPLE THAT NELSON MANDELA SET AND SONGS I THE EXAMPLE THAT NELSON MANDELA SET AND SONGS I LIVE I WILL DO WHAT I CAN TO NELSON MANDELA SET AND SONGS I LIVE I WILL DO WHAT I CAN TO FROM HIM.
LIVE I WILL DO WHAT I CAN TO FROM HIM.
>> THERE'S MR. MANDELA, FROM HIM.
>> THERE'S MR. MANDELA, MR. NELSON MANDELA, A FREE MAN >> THERE'S MR. MANDELA, MR. NELSON MANDELA, A FREE MAN FIRST STEPS INTO A MR. NELSON MANDELA, A FREE MAN FIRST STEPS INTO A NEW SOUTH AFRICA.
FIRST STEPS INTO A NEW SOUTH AFRICA.
GWEN: NELSON MANDELA CAPTURED NEW SOUTH AFRICA.
GWEN: NELSON MANDELA CAPTURED THE WORLD'S PUBLIC IMAGINATION GWEN: NELSON MANDELA CAPTURED THE WORLD'S PUBLIC IMAGINATION WHEN HE STEPPED FROM BEHIND BARS THE WORLD'S PUBLIC IMAGINATION WHEN HE STEPPED FROM BEHIND BARS IN 1990 AFTER 27 YEARS OF WHEN HE STEPPED FROM BEHIND BARS IN 1990 AFTER 27 YEARS OF CAPTIVITY.
IN 1990 AFTER 27 YEARS OF CAPTIVITY.
A FREEDOM FIGHTER, A POLITICAL CAPTIVITY.
A FREEDOM FIGHTER, A POLITICAL LEADER, AND A SYMBOL OF A FREEDOM FIGHTER, A POLITICAL LEADER, AND A SYMBOL OF SHOCKING, JUST CHANGE.
LEADER, AND A SYMBOL OF SHOCKING, JUST CHANGE.
HE WAS 71 YEARS OLD BY THE TIME SHOCKING, JUST CHANGE.
HE WAS 71 YEARS OLD BY THE TIME HE STEPPED OUT OF JAIL THAT DAY, HE WAS 71 YEARS OLD BY THE TIME HE STEPPED OUT OF JAIL THAT DAY, BUT HE WAS A VIBRANT FIGURE, A HE STEPPED OUT OF JAIL THAT DAY, BUT HE WAS A VIBRANT FIGURE, A GLOBAL FORCE OF MORAL AUTHORITY.
BUT HE WAS A VIBRANT FIGURE, A GLOBAL FORCE OF MORAL AUTHORITY.
MANDELA MADE A BIG SPLASH WHEN GLOBAL FORCE OF MORAL AUTHORITY.
MANDELA MADE A BIG SPLASH WHEN HE TOURED THE U.S.
IN THE SUMMER MANDELA MADE A BIG SPLASH WHEN HE TOURED THE U.S.
IN THE SUMMER OF 1990.
HE TOURED THE U.S.
IN THE SUMMER OF 1990.
WE DEVOTED AN ENTIRE PROGRAM TO OF 1990.
WE DEVOTED AN ENTIRE PROGRAM TO HIS JUNE VISIT TO WASHINGTON.
WE DEVOTED AN ENTIRE PROGRAM TO HIS JUNE VISIT TO WASHINGTON.
HERE IS A PART OF THAT WEEK'S HIS JUNE VISIT TO WASHINGTON.
HERE IS A PART OF THAT WEEK'S CONVERSATION BETWEEN MODERATOR HERE IS A PART OF THAT WEEK'S CONVERSATION BETWEEN MODERATOR PAUL DUKE, AND STEVE ROBERTS, CONVERSATION BETWEEN MODERATOR PAUL DUKE, AND STEVE ROBERTS, THEN OF "U.S. NEWS AND WORLD PAUL DUKE, AND STEVE ROBERTS, THEN OF "U.S. NEWS AND WORLD REPORT."
THEN OF "U.S. NEWS AND WORLD REPORT."
>> WATCHING HIM SPEAK BEFORE THE REPORT."
>> WATCHING HIM SPEAK BEFORE THE JOINT SESSION, HE REALLY DOES >> WATCHING HIM SPEAK BEFORE THE JOINT SESSION, HE REALLY DOES CUT A STRIKING FIGURE.
JOINT SESSION, HE REALLY DOES CUT A STRIKING FIGURE.
HE'S CHARISMATIC, HE'S GOT A CUT A STRIKING FIGURE.
HE'S CHARISMATIC, HE'S GOT A PATRICIAN BEARING, HE'S A HE'S CHARISMATIC, HE'S GOT A PATRICIAN BEARING, HE'S A COMPELLING SPEAKER, HE REALLY IS PATRICIAN BEARING, HE'S A COMPELLING SPEAKER, HE REALLY IS A BORN LEADER.
COMPELLING SPEAKER, HE REALLY IS A BORN LEADER.
>> I WAS IN THE CHAMBER AND A BORN LEADER.
>> I WAS IN THE CHAMBER AND LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE IN THE FRONT >> I WAS IN THE CHAMBER AND LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE IN THE FRONT ROW AND YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT, BUT LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE IN THE FRONT ROW AND YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT, BUT PRESENCE WE KIND OF ROW AND YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT, BUT PRESENCE WE KIND OF OFTEN ASSOCIATE WITH A POLITICAL PRESENCE WE KIND OF OFTEN ASSOCIATE WITH A POLITICAL LEADER.
OFTEN ASSOCIATE WITH A POLITICAL LEADER.
IT'S A QUIETER PRESENCE.
LEADER.
IT'S A QUIETER PRESENCE.
>> TO SOME EXTENT NELSON MANDELA IT'S A QUIETER PRESENCE.
>> TO SOME EXTENT NELSON MANDELA IS A >> TO SOME EXTENT NELSON MANDELA IS A WENT INTO JAIL 27 YEARS AGO IS A WENT INTO JAIL 27 YEARS AGO AND THERE'S STILL SHREDS OF WENT INTO JAIL 27 YEARS AGO AND THERE'S STILL SHREDS OF ALMOST AN OUTDATED RHETORIC TO AND THERE'S STILL SHREDS OF ALMOST AN OUTDATED RHETORIC TO WHAT HE SAYS.
ALMOST AN OUTDATED RHETORIC TO WHAT HE SAYS.
I DO THINK MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHAT HE SAYS.
I DO THINK MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WERE REASSURED TODAY, PAUL.
I DO THINK MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WERE REASSURED TODAY, PAUL.
I TALKED TO SEVERAL AFTER THE WERE REASSURED TODAY, PAUL.
I TALKED TO SEVERAL AFTER THE SPEECH WHO WERE HEARTENED BY HIS I TALKED TO SEVERAL AFTER THE SPEECH WHO WERE HEARTENED BY HIS ECONOMY ANDA MIXED SPEECH WHO WERE HEARTENED BY HIS ECONOMY ANDA MIXED TALKING ABOUT A FREE MARKET.
ECONOMY ANDA MIXED TALKING ABOUT A FREE MARKET.
HAD BUFFERED SOME OF TALKING ABOUT A FREE MARKET.
HAD BUFFERED SOME OF HIS HARD EDGE RHETORIC ABOUT HAD BUFFERED SOME OF HIS HARD EDGE RHETORIC ABOUT STATE CENTRAL PLANNING AND HIS HARD EDGE RHETORIC ABOUT STATE CENTRAL PLANNING AND COMMUNISM.
STATE CENTRAL PLANNING AND COMMUNISM.
GWEN: IN 1993, MANDELA SHARED COMMUNISM.
GWEN: IN 1993, MANDELA SHARED THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE AND IN GWEN: IN 1993, MANDELA SHARED THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE AND IN 1994, BECAME SOUTH AFRICA'S THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE AND IN 1994, BECAME SOUTH AFRICA'S FIRST POST-APARTHEID PRESIDENT.
1994, BECAME SOUTH AFRICA'S FIRST POST-APARTHEID PRESIDENT.
THIS IS FOR ALL SOUTH FIRST POST-APARTHEID PRESIDENT.
THIS IS FOR ALL SOUTH AN UNFORGETTABLE THIS IS FOR ALL SOUTH AN UNFORGETTABLE OCCASION.
AN UNFORGETTABLE OCCASION.
IT IS THE REALIZATION OF HOPES OCCASION.
IT IS THE REALIZATION OF HOPES AND DREAMS THAT WE HAVE IT IS THE REALIZATION OF HOPES AND DREAMS THAT WE HAVE CHERISHED OVER DECADES.
AND DREAMS THAT WE HAVE CHERISHED OVER DECADES.
GWEN: CNN'S BERNARD SHAW ASKED CHERISHED OVER DECADES.
GWEN: CNN'S BERNARD SHAW ASKED HIM AT THE TIME WHAT LEGACY HE GWEN: CNN'S BERNARD SHAW ASKED HIM AT THE TIME WHAT LEGACY HE HOPED TO LEAVE.
HIM AT THE TIME WHAT LEGACY HE HOPED TO LEAVE.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO BE REMEMBERED HOPED TO LEAVE.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO BE REMEMBERED NOT AS ANYBODY UNIQUE OR SPECIAL >> I WOULD LIKE TO BE REMEMBERED NOT AS ANYBODY UNIQUE OR SPECIAL BUT AS PART OF A GREAT TEAM IN NOT AS ANYBODY UNIQUE OR SPECIAL BUT AS PART OF A GREAT TEAM IN THIS COUNTRY THAT HAS STRUGGLED BUT AS PART OF A GREAT TEAM IN THIS COUNTRY THAT HAS STRUGGLED FOR MANY YEARS, FOR DECADES, AND THIS COUNTRY THAT HAS STRUGGLED FOR MANY YEARS, FOR DECADES, AND EVEN CENTURIES, TO BRING ABOUT FOR MANY YEARS, FOR DECADES, AND EVEN CENTURIES, TO BRING ABOUT THIS DAY.
EVEN CENTURIES, TO BRING ABOUT THIS DAY.
GWEN:NELSON MANDELA WAS 95 THIS DAY.
GWEN:NELSON MANDELA WAS 95 YEARS OLD.
GWEN:NELSON MANDELA WAS 95 YEARS OLD.
JACKIE, ONE OF THE INTERESTING YEARS OLD.
JACKIE, ONE OF THE INTERESTING THE PRESIDENTHING JACKIE, ONE OF THE INTERESTING THE PRESIDENTHING YESTERDAY IN THE BRIEFING ROOM THE PRESIDENTHING YESTERDAY IN THE BRIEFING ROOM WAS THE CONNECTION HE MADE YESTERDAY IN THE BRIEFING ROOM WAS THE CONNECTION HE MADE BETWEEN HIS LIFE JOURNEY AND WAS THE CONNECTION HE MADE BETWEEN HIS LIFE JOURNEY AND MANDELA'S.
BETWEEN HIS LIFE JOURNEY AND MANDELA'S.
IS THERE A REAL CONNECTION MANDELA'S.
IS THERE A REAL CONNECTION THERE?
IS THERE A REAL CONNECTION THERE?
>> WELL, IT CERTAINLY IS IN THERE?
>> WELL, IT CERTAINLY IS IN OF SHAPING HIM.
>> WELL, IT CERTAINLY IS IN OF SHAPING HIM.
I THINK IT HAS THE VIRTUE OF OF SHAPING HIM.
I THINK IT HAS THE VIRTUE OF SOME OF HISHAT I THINK IT HAS THE VIRTUE OF SOME OF HISHAT EARLIEST -- THE PRESIDENT'S SOME OF HISHAT EARLIEST -- THE PRESIDENT'S INVOLVEMENT IN POLITICS EARLIEST -- THE PRESIDENT'S INVOLVEMENT IN POLITICS WAS AROUND THE APARTHEID INVOLVEMENT IN POLITICS WAS AROUND THE APARTHEID MOVEMENT AND IF THAT HE'S HARDLY WAS AROUND THE APARTHEID MOVEMENT AND IF THAT HE'S HARDLY PEOPLE.T FROM A LOT OF MOVEMENT AND IF THAT HE'S HARDLY PEOPLE.T FROM A LOT OF WHEN I FIRST STARTED COVERING PEOPLE.T FROM A LOT OF WHEN I FIRST STARTED COVERING ANTI-APARTHEID WHEN I FIRST STARTED COVERING ANTI-APARTHEID MOVEMENT WAS A MAJOR FORCE, IN ANTI-APARTHEID MOVEMENT WAS A MAJOR FORCE, IN COVERING CONGRESS IN THE MID MOVEMENT WAS A MAJOR FORCE, IN COVERING CONGRESS IN THE MID 1980'S, THAT DEBATE.
COVERING CONGRESS IN THE MID 1980'S, THAT DEBATE.
THE PRESIDENT SAID THIS SUMMER 1980'S, THAT DEBATE.
THE PRESIDENT SAID THIS SUMMER WHEN HE WENT TO SOWNKT AND ENDED THE PRESIDENT SAID THIS SUMMER WHEN HE WENT TO SOWNKT AND ENDED UP NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE WHEN HE WENT TO SOWNKT AND ENDED UP NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE PRESIDENT MANDELA BECAUSE HE WAS UP NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE PRESIDENT MANDELA BECAUSE HE WAS I DON'T NEED A, PRESIDENT MANDELA BECAUSE HE WAS I DON'T NEED A, PHOTO OPPORTUNITY BUT IT HAS TO I DON'T NEED A, PHOTO OPPORTUNITY BUT IT HAS TO BE ONE OF HIS BIGGEST REGRETS.
PHOTO OPPORTUNITY BUT IT HAS TO BE ONE OF HIS BIGGEST REGRETS.
HE SAW HIM IN 2005 WHEN HE WAS A BE ONE OF HIS BIGGEST REGRETS.
HE SAW HIM IN 2005 WHEN HE WAS A NEWLY ELECTED SENATOR BUT FIRST HE SAW HIM IN 2005 WHEN HE WAS A NEWLY ELECTED SENATOR BUT FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED NEWLY ELECTED SENATOR BUT FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT OF SOUTH AFRICA, THAT WOULD HAVE STATES AND FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT OF SOUTH AFRICA, THAT WOULD HAVE PHOTO OPPORTUNITY.
OF SOUTH AFRICA, THAT WOULD HAVE PHOTO OPPORTUNITY.
GWEN: THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PHOTO OPPORTUNITY.
GWEN: THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING.
GWEN: THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING.
MICHAEL, THE INTERESTING THING SOMETHING.
MICHAEL, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT MANDELA, DURING ALL THE MICHAEL, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT MANDELA, DURING ALL THE BEEN WORKING AS ABOUT MANDELA, DURING ALL THE BEEN WORKING AS REPORTERS AND TRAVELING THIS BEEN WORKING AS REPORTERS AND TRAVELING THIS COUNTRY, THERE WAS A REAL REPORTERS AND TRAVELING THIS COUNTRY, THERE WAS A REAL DOMESTICALLY BETWEEN COUNTRY, THERE WAS A REAL DOMESTICALLY BETWEEN AMERICANS IN GENERAL AND HIM.
DOMESTICALLY BETWEEN AMERICANS IN GENERAL AND HIM.
SO MANY, THERE ARE AMERICANS IN GENERAL AND HIM.
SO MANY, THERE ARE PARALLELS BETWEEN THE SOUTH SO MANY, THERE ARE PARALLELS BETWEEN THE SOUTH AND AMERICA'SEID PARALLELS BETWEEN THE SOUTH AND AMERICA'SEID OWN HISTORY OF RACIAL OPPRESSION AND AMERICA'SEID OWN HISTORY OF RACIAL OPPRESSION AND THE RISE FROM THAT AND OWN HISTORY OF RACIAL OPPRESSION AND THE RISE FROM THAT AND THEY'VE MADE SO THE AND THE RISE FROM THAT AND THEY'VE MADE SO THE STORY RESONATES WITH PEOPLE IN THEY'VE MADE SO THE STORY RESONATES WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.
STORY RESONATES WITH PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.
THEAS INTERESTING, THIS COUNTRY.
THEAS INTERESTING, OUTPOURING.
THEAS INTERESTING, OUTPOURING.
APOLLOQUEE AT THE OUTPOURING.
APOLLOQUEE AT THE THEATER HAD WORDS UP HONORING APOLLOQUEE AT THE THEATER HAD WORDS UP HONORING HIM, PEOPLE SPONTANEOUSLY SHOWED THEATER HAD WORDS UP HONORING HIM, PEOPLE SPONTANEOUSLY SHOWED SOUTH AFRICAN EMBASSY, HIM, PEOPLE SPONTANEOUSLY SHOWED SOUTH AFRICAN EMBASSY, THETICIAN FROM THE LEFT AND SOUTH AFRICAN EMBASSY, THETICIAN FROM THE LEFT AND RIGHT PRAISED HIM.
THETICIAN FROM THE LEFT AND RIGHT PRAISED HIM.
HISARZENEGGER TALKING ABOUT RIGHT PRAISED HIM.
HISARZENEGGER TALKING ABOUT EXAMPLE AND EXISTENCE OF GOD.
HISARZENEGGER TALKING ABOUT EXAMPLE AND EXISTENCE OF GOD.
STRIKINGLY DIFFERENT EXAMPLE AND EXISTENCE OF GOD.
STRIKINGLY DIFFERENT THAN WHEN HE CAME OUT OF PRISON.
STRIKINGLY DIFFERENT THAN WHEN HE CAME OUT OF PRISON.
DROVE THIS ATHAT THAN WHEN HE CAME OUT OF PRISON.
DROVE THIS ATHAT THE TIME WAS THE SANCTIONS DROVE THIS ATHAT THE TIME WAS THE SANCTIONS MOVEMENT, THE IDEA OF PUNISHING THE TIME WAS THE SANCTIONS MOVEMENT, THE IDEA OF PUNISHING RELEASEDICA UNTIL IT MOVEMENT, THE IDEA OF PUNISHING RELEASEDICA UNTIL IT MANDELA.
RELEASEDICA UNTIL IT MANDELA.
WE REMEMBERED THE MUSIC, WE MANDELA.
WE REMEMBERED THE MUSIC, WE REMEMBERED THE CHANTS, WE WE REMEMBERED THE MUSIC, WE REMEMBERED THE CHANTS, WE THE PROTESTS.
REMEMBERED THE CHANTS, WE THE PROTESTS.
DID IT WORK AND DOES IT STILL?
THE PROTESTS.
DID IT WORK AND DOES IT STILL?
>> IT DEFINITELY HURT SOUTH DID IT WORK AND DOES IT STILL?
>> IT DEFINITELY HURT SOUTH AFRICA.
>> IT DEFINITELY HURT SOUTH AFRICA.
THEY WERE DENIED A LOT OF AFRICA.
THEY WERE DENIED A LOT OF FOREIGN INVESTMENT, AMERICAN THEY WERE DENIED A LOT OF FOREIGN INVESTMENT, AMERICAN PUTTING MONEYPED FOREIGN INVESTMENT, AMERICAN PUTTING MONEYPED THERE AND THEY WERE UNABLE TO PUTTING MONEYPED THERE AND THEY WERE UNABLE TO SELL TO US BUT THE EVIDENCE IS THERE AND THEY WERE UNABLE TO SELL TO US BUT THE EVIDENCE IS MAY HAVE IMBITTERED SOME OF SELL TO US BUT THE EVIDENCE IS MAY HAVE IMBITTERED SOME OF THE AFRICANA LEADERSHIP AND LED MAY HAVE IMBITTERED SOME OF THE AFRICANA LEADERSHIP AND LED DEVELOP NUCLEAR WEAPONS THE AFRICANA LEADERSHIP AND LED DEVELOP NUCLEAR WEAPONS BECAUSE THEY FELT ISOLATED BUT DEVELOP NUCLEAR WEAPONS BECAUSE THEY FELT ISOLATED BUT IT HAD A HUGE PSYCHOLOGICAL BECAUSE THEY FELT ISOLATED BUT IT HAD A HUGE PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECT.
IT HAD A HUGE PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECT.
THE FACT THAT THEIR SPORTS TEAMS EFFECT.
THE FACT THAT THEIR SPORTS TEAMS COULDN'T PLAY IN WORLD THE FACT THAT THEIR SPORTS TEAMS COULDN'T PLAY IN WORLD COMPETITION AND THEY WERE SEEN COULDN'T PLAY IN WORLD COMPETITION AND THEY WERE SEEN PARIAHS, THAT CAME AT THE COMPETITION AND THEY WERE SEEN PARIAHS, THAT CAME AT THE SAME TIME THAT ENFORCING PARIAHS, THAT CAME AT THE SAME TIME THAT ENFORCING WAS BECOMING SAME TIME THAT ENFORCING WAS BECOMING INCREASINGLY EXPENSIVE SO I WAS BECOMING INCREASINGLY EXPENSIVE SO I THINK IT CONTRIBUTED BUT IT INCREASINGLY EXPENSIVE SO I THINK IT CONTRIBUTED BUT IT THE ONLY CAUSE.
THINK IT CONTRIBUTED BUT IT THE ONLY CAUSE.
GWEN: THERE WERE A LOT OF COSTS THE ONLY CAUSE.
GWEN: THERE WERE A LOT OF COSTS MEMORIES AND QUITE GWEN: THERE WERE A LOT OF COSTS MEMORIES AND QUITE RESONANT THIS WEEK, THE DEATH OF MEMORIES AND QUITE RESONANT THIS WEEK, THE DEATH OF NELSON MANDELA.
RESONANT THIS WEEK, THE DEATH OF NELSON MANDELA.
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
NELSON MANDELA.
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
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