GWEN: WINNERS AND LOSERS EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK.
ON HEALTH CARE, SPYCRAFT AND EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK.
ON HEALTH CARE, SPYCRAFT AND POLITICS.
ON HEALTH CARE, SPYCRAFT AND POLITICS.
TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
POLITICS.
TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
THE PROMISE IN 2010.
TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
THE PROMISE IN 2010.
>> IF YOU LIKE YOUR INSURANCE THE PROMISE IN 2010.
>> IF YOU LIKE YOUR INSURANCE PLAN, YOU WILL KEEP IT.
>> IF YOU LIKE YOUR INSURANCE PLAN, YOU WILL KEEP IT.
NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE PLAN, YOU WILL KEEP IT.
NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU.
NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU.
HASN'T HAPPENED YET AND THAT AWAY FROM YOU.
HASN'T HAPPENED YET AND WON'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
HASN'T HAPPENED YET AND WON'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
GWEN: THE WALKBACK IN 2013.
WON'T HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
GWEN: THE WALKBACK IN 2013.
>> IF INSURERS DECIDED TO GWEN: THE WALKBACK IN 2013.
>> IF INSURERS DECIDED TO DOWNGRADE OR CANCEL THESE >> IF INSURERS DECIDED TO DOWNGRADE OR CANCEL THESE SUBSTANDARD PLANS, WHAT WE SAID DOWNGRADE OR CANCEL THESE SUBSTANDARD PLANS, WHAT WE SAID UNDER THE LAW IS YOU GOT TO ROW SUBSTANDARD PLANS, WHAT WE SAID UNDER THE LAW IS YOU GOT TO ROW PLACE THEM WITH QUALITY UNDER THE LAW IS YOU GOT TO ROW PLACE THEM WITH QUALITY COMPREHENSIVE VERACOGE.
PLACE THEM WITH QUALITY COMPREHENSIVE VERACOGE.
GWEN: COMPLICATED EXPLANATIONS COMPREHENSIVE VERACOGE.
GWEN: COMPLICATED EXPLANATIONS ALMOST NEVER WORK IN POLITICS.
GWEN: COMPLICATED EXPLANATIONS ALMOST NEVER WORK IN POLITICS.
>> THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ALMOST NEVER WORK IN POLITICS.
>> THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS FEEL TRICKED ROLLOUT OF >> THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS FEEL TRICKED ROLLOUT OF THE PRESIDENT'S HEALTH CARE FEEL TRICKED ROLLOUT OF THE PRESIDENT'S HEALTH CARE LAW.
THE PRESIDENT'S HEALTH CARE LAW.
WE WERE TOLD IF YOU LIKED WHAT LAW.
WE WERE TOLD IF YOU LIKED WHAT YOU HAD YOU COULD KEEP IT.
WE WERE TOLD IF YOU LIKED WHAT YOU HAD YOU COULD KEEP IT.
OBVIOUSLY A TRICK.
YOU HAD YOU COULD KEEP IT.
OBVIOUSLY A TRICK.
GWEN: THE ADMINISTRATION, CAN OBVIOUSLY A TRICK.
GWEN: THE ADMINISTRATION, CAN IT DIG ITSELF OUT OF ITS HEALTH GWEN: THE ADMINISTRATION, CAN IT DIG ITSELF OUT OF ITS HEALTH CARE HOLE?
IT DIG ITSELF OUT OF ITS HEALTH CARE HOLE?
>> HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLEOR T FHE CARE HOLE?
>> HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLEOR T FHE DEBACLE.
>> HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLEOR T FHE DEBACLE.
I'M RESPONSIBLE.
DEBACLE.
I'M RESPONSIBLE.
GWEN: CAN IT JUSTIFY WHAT I'M RESPONSIBLE.
GWEN: CAN IT JUSTIFY WHAT APPEARS TO BE YEARS OF GWEN: CAN IT JUSTIFY WHAT APPEARS TO BE YEARS OF WIDESPREAD EXHAUSTIVE SPYING AT APPEARS TO BE YEARS OF WIDESPREAD EXHAUSTIVE SPYING AT HOME AND ABROAD?
WIDESPREAD EXHAUSTIVE SPYING AT HOME AND ABROAD?
>> WE ONLY SPY FOR VALID HOME AND ABROAD?
>> WE ONLY SPY FOR VALID FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PURPOSES >> WE ONLY SPY FOR VALID FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PURPOSES AS AUTHORIZED BY LAW WITH FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PURPOSES AS AUTHORIZED BY LAW WITH MULTIPLE LAYERS OF OVERSIGHT TO AS AUTHORIZED BY LAW WITH MULTIPLE LAYERS OF OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE WE DON'T ABUSE OUR MULTIPLE LAYERS OF OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE WE DON'T ABUSE OUR AUTHORITIES.
ENSURE WE DON'T ABUSE OUR AUTHORITIES.
GWEN: COVERING THE WEEK, TOM AUTHORITIES.
GWEN: COVERING THE WEEK, TOM GJELTEN OF N.P.R.
GWEN: COVERING THE WEEK, TOM GJELTEN OF N.P.R.
DOYLE MCMANUS OF THE "LOS GJELTEN OF N.P.R.
DOYLE MCMANUS OF THE "LOS ANGELES TIMES."
DOYLE MCMANUS OF THE "LOS ANGELES TIMES."
ALEXIS SIMENDINGER OF ANGELES TIMES."
ALEXIS SIMENDINGER OF REALCLEARPOLITICS.
ALEXIS SIMENDINGER OF REALCLEARPOLITICS.
AND KAREN TUMULTY OF "THE REALCLEARPOLITICS.
AND KAREN TUMULTY OF "THE WASHINGTON POST."
AND KAREN TUMULTY OF "THE WASHINGTON POST."
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND WASHINGTON POST."
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS, LIVE FROM OUR ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS, LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL THIS IS IT HAPPENS, LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH GWEN NATION'S CAPITAL THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH GWEN IFILL."
ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO GET BETTER.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO GET BETTER.
BUT SO FAR, WHEN IT COMES TO IT'S SUPPOSED TO GET BETTER.
BUT SO FAR, WHEN IT COMES TO THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, BUT SO FAR, WHEN IT COMES TO THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, EVERYTHING JUST SEEMS TO BE THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, EVERYTHING JUST SEEMS TO BE GETTING IF NOT WORSE AT LEAST EVERYTHING JUST SEEMS TO BE GETTING IF NOT WORSE AT LEAST MURKIER.
GETTING IF NOT WORSE AT LEAST MURKIER.
LOW ENROLLMENT, CANCELED MURKIER.
LOW ENROLLMENT, CANCELED POLICIES, AND IN THE WEEK'S LOW ENROLLMENT, CANCELED POLICIES, AND IN THE WEEK'S SIGNATURE MOMENT, 3 1/2 HOURS POLICIES, AND IN THE WEEK'S SIGNATURE MOMENT, 3 1/2 HOURS OF GRILLING FOR THE SIGNATURE MOMENT, 3 1/2 HOURS OF GRILLING FOR THE ADMINISTRATION'S TOP HEALTH OF GRILLING FOR THE ADMINISTRATION'S TOP HEALTH OFFICIAL.
ADMINISTRATION'S TOP HEALTH OFFICIAL.
WITNESS THIS EXASPERATED OFFICIAL.
WITNESS THIS EXASPERATED EXCHANGE.
WITNESS THIS EXASPERATED EXCHANGE.
>> SO THE PRESIDENT ULT EXCHANGE.
>> SO THE PRESIDENT ULT ULTIMATELY IS RESPONSIBLE.
>> SO THE PRESIDENT ULT ULTIMATELY IS RESPONSIBLE.
WHILE IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE A ULTIMATELY IS RESPONSIBLE.
WHILE IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE A TEAM PLAYER AND TAKING WHILE IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE A TEAM PLAYER AND TAKING RESPONSIBILITY, IT IS THE TEAM PLAYER AND TAKING RESPONSIBILITY, IT IS THE PRESIDENT'S ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY, IT IS THE PRESIDENT'S ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY, CORRECT?
PRESIDENT'S ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY, CORRECT?
>> YOU CLEARLY -- WHATEVER.
RESPONSIBILITY, CORRECT?
>> YOU CLEARLY -- WHATEVER.
YES, HE IS THE PRESIDENT.
>> YOU CLEARLY -- WHATEVER.
YES, HE IS THE PRESIDENT.
HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR YES, HE IS THE PRESIDENT.
HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS.
HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS.
GWEN: THAT'S A KEY POINT.
GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS.
GWEN: THAT'S A KEY POINT.
BECAUSE MORE THAN ANYTHING GWEN: THAT'S A KEY POINT.
BECAUSE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, HEALTH CARE OPPONENTS BECAUSE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, HEALTH CARE OPPONENTS WANT TO LINK THE PROBLEMS WITH ELSE, HEALTH CARE OPPONENTS WANT TO LINK THE PROBLEMS WITH THE LAW TO THE PRESIDENT WANT TO LINK THE PROBLEMS WITH THE LAW TO THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF.
THE LAW TO THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF.
AND TO MORE ESSENTIAL FLAWS.
HIMSELF.
AND TO MORE ESSENTIAL FLAWS.
MITCH MCCONNELL SAID AS MUCH TO AND TO MORE ESSENTIAL FLAWS.
MITCH MCCONNELL SAID AS MUCH TO ME THIS WEEK.
MITCH MCCONNELL SAID AS MUCH TO ME THIS WEEK.
>> THE POINT IS COULD ANYBODY ME THIS WEEK.
>> THE POINT IS COULD ANYBODY MAKE IT WORK?
>> THE POINT IS COULD ANYBODY MAKE IT WORK?
I DON'T THINK ALBERT EINSTEIN MAKE IT WORK?
I DON'T THINK ALBERT EINSTEIN COULD MAKE THIS THING WORK.
I DON'T THINK ALBERT EINSTEIN COULD MAKE THIS THING WORK.
IT CAN'T WORK.
COULD MAKE THIS THING WORK.
IT CAN'T WORK.
IT WON'T WORK.
IT CAN'T WORK.
IT WON'T WORK.
AND SO I FEEL SORRY FOR HER IT WON'T WORK.
AND SO I FEEL SORRY FOR HER BEING PUT IN A POSITION WHERE AND SO I FEEL SORRY FOR HER BEING PUT IN A POSITION WHERE SHE'S TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING BEING PUT IN A POSITION WHERE SHE'S TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK OUT THAT WON'T.
SHE'S TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK OUT THAT WON'T.
GWEN: HAVING MITCH MCCONNELL WORK OUT THAT WON'T.
GWEN: HAVING MITCH MCCONNELL FEEL SORRY FOR YOU IS NEVER A GWEN: HAVING MITCH MCCONNELL FEEL SORRY FOR YOU IS NEVER A GOOD THING IF YOU'RE A FEEL SORRY FOR YOU IS NEVER A GOOD THING IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT.
GOOD THING IF YOU'RE A DEMOCRAT.
SO COULDINE STEIN MAKE THIS DEMOCRAT.
SO COULDINE STEIN MAKE THIS THING WORK, KAREN?
SO COULDINE STEIN MAKE THIS THING WORK, KAREN?
>> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THIS THING WORK, KAREN?
>> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THIS THING IS.
>> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THIS THING IS.
THE COMPUTER SYSTEMS, MAYBE A THING IS.
THE COMPUTER SYSTEMS, MAYBE A FEW MORE TECH SUPPORT PEOPLE THE COMPUTER SYSTEMS, MAYBE A FEW MORE TECH SUPPORT PEOPLE COULD MAKE IT WORK.
FEW MORE TECH SUPPORT PEOPLE COULD MAKE IT WORK.
MAYBE THEY SHOULD BRING OVER COULD MAKE IT WORK.
MAYBE THEY SHOULD BRING OVER THE N.S.A.
FOR THAT.
MAYBE THEY SHOULD BRING OVER THE N.S.A.
FOR THAT.
BUT ALMOST CERTAINLY THE THE N.S.A.
FOR THAT.
BUT ALMOST CERTAINLY THE COMPUTER BUGS THAT HAVE MADE IT BUT ALMOST CERTAINLY THE COMPUTER BUGS THAT HAVE MADE IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR A LOT OF COMPUTER BUGS THAT HAVE MADE IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO SIGN UP, THAT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO SIGN UP, THAT IS GOING TO GET FIXED.
PEOPLE TO SIGN UP, THAT IS GOING TO GET FIXED.
MAYBE NOT ON THE TIME LINE THAT GOING TO GET FIXED.
MAYBE NOT ON THE TIME LINE THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
MAYBE NOT ON THE TIME LINE THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
AND THEN WE FIND OUT WHETHER IT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
AND THEN WE FIND OUT WHETHER IT REALLY WORKS.
AND THEN WE FIND OUT WHETHER IT REALLY WORKS.
BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, REALLY WORKS.
BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN, FOR THIS BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN, FOR THIS HEALTH CARE SYSTEM TO WORK AS WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN, FOR THIS HEALTH CARE SYSTEM TO WORK AS PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS PROMISED US HEALTH CARE SYSTEM TO WORK AS PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS PROMISED US THAT IT WILL, IS THAT A LOT OF PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS PROMISED US THAT IT WILL, IS THAT A LOT OF HEALTHY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THAT IT WILL, IS THAT A LOT OF HEALTHY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR THESE HEALTHY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR THESE EXCHANGES ALONG WITH SICK HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR THESE EXCHANGES ALONG WITH SICK PEOPLE.
EXCHANGES ALONG WITH SICK PEOPLE.
WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE WITH PEOPLE.
WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, WITH WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, WITH ILLNESSES, WE KNOW THAT THEY PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, WITH ILLNESSES, WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE VERY MOTIVATED AND THEY ARE ILLNESSES, WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE VERY MOTIVATED AND THEY ARE GOING TO SIT THERE AND DO ARE VERY MOTIVATED AND THEY ARE GOING TO SIT THERE AND DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET INTO GOING TO SIT THERE AND DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET INTO THESE EXCHANGES.
WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET INTO THESE EXCHANGES.
NOW THE QUESTION IS, IS IT THESE EXCHANGES.
NOW THE QUESTION IS, IS IT GOING TO FUNCTION WELL ENOUGH NOW THE QUESTION IS, IS IT GOING TO FUNCTION WELL ENOUGH THAT YOUNG HEALTHY PEOPLE WILL GOING TO FUNCTION WELL ENOUGH THAT YOUNG HEALTHY PEOPLE WILL AS WELL?
THAT YOUNG HEALTHY PEOPLE WILL AS WELL?
GWEN: WE KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, AS WELL?
GWEN: WE KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, YOUNG HEALTHY PEOPLE OR ANYBODY GWEN: WE KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, YOUNG HEALTHY PEOPLE OR ANYBODY CAN'T REALLY GET ON THE SITE.
YOUNG HEALTHY PEOPLE OR ANYBODY CAN'T REALLY GET ON THE SITE.
AND THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS CAN'T REALLY GET ON THE SITE.
AND THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS GUILTY OF AT LEAST OVERSTATING AND THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS GUILTY OF AT LEAST OVERSTATING WHETHER PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO GUILTY OF AT LEAST OVERSTATING WHETHER PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP THE COVERAGE THEY WANT WHETHER PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP THE COVERAGE THEY WANT RIGHT NOW.
KEEP THE COVERAGE THEY WANT RIGHT NOW.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS RIGHT NOW.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS EMERGED AND WE'VE ALL READ >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS EMERGED AND WE'VE ALL READ ABOUT IT AND PROBABLY KNOW EMERGED AND WE'VE ALL READ ABOUT IT AND PROBABLY KNOW PEOPLE WHO'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ABOUT IT AND PROBABLY KNOW PEOPLE WHO'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS THAT THERE ARE A SMALL BUT PEOPLE WHO'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS THAT THERE ARE A SMALL BUT SIZABLE NUMBER OF AMERICANS, A IS THAT THERE ARE A SMALL BUT SIZABLE NUMBER OF AMERICANS, A PERCENTAGE THAT'S ROUGHLY 5%, SIZABLE NUMBER OF AMERICANS, A PERCENTAGE THAT'S ROUGHLY 5%, ARE IN THE INDIVIDUAL MARKET, PERCENTAGE THAT'S ROUGHLY 5%, ARE IN THE INDIVIDUAL MARKET, THAT HAVE GOTTEN LETTERS FROM ARE IN THE INDIVIDUAL MARKET, THAT HAVE GOTTEN LETTERS FROM THEIR INSURANCE COMPANIES.
THAT HAVE GOTTEN LETTERS FROM THEIR INSURANCE COMPANIES.
PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES.
THEIR INSURANCE COMPANIES.
PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES.
THESE ARE THE PLANS THAT THEY PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES.
THESE ARE THE PLANS THAT THEY SUPPOSEDLY LIKED AND WANTED TO THESE ARE THE PLANS THAT THEY SUPPOSEDLY LIKED AND WANTED TO KEEP.
SUPPOSEDLY LIKED AND WANTED TO KEEP.
THE ONES THAT THE PRESIDENT -- KEEP.
THE ONES THAT THE PRESIDENT -- GWEN: INDIVIDUAL MARKET, NOT THE ONES THAT THE PRESIDENT -- GWEN: INDIVIDUAL MARKET, NOT COVERED BY THEIR EMPLOYER.
GWEN: INDIVIDUAL MARKET, NOT COVERED BY THEIR EMPLOYER.
>> NOT MEDICARE, NOT V.A.
COVERED BY THEIR EMPLOYER.
>> NOT MEDICARE, NOT V.A.
NOT IN THESE LARGE POOLS >> NOT MEDICARE, NOT V.A.
NOT IN THESE LARGE POOLS ALREADY.
NOT IN THESE LARGE POOLS ALREADY.
THEY'RE OUT THERE ON THEIR OWN.
ALREADY.
THEY'RE OUT THERE ON THEIR OWN.
SO THEY'VE GOT LETTERS FROM THE THEY'RE OUT THERE ON THEIR OWN.
SO THEY'VE GOT LETTERS FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANIES SAYING WE SO THEY'VE GOT LETTERS FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANIES SAYING WE HAVE TO EITHER CHANGE AND OFFER INSURANCE COMPANIES SAYING WE HAVE TO EITHER CHANGE AND OFFER YOU A DIFFERENT SET OF POLICIES HAVE TO EITHER CHANGE AND OFFER YOU A DIFFERENT SET OF POLICIES THAT IN SOME CASES MIGHT COST YOU A DIFFERENT SET OF POLICIES THAT IN SOME CASES MIGHT COST MORE OR WE'RE GOING TO THAT IN SOME CASES MIGHT COST MORE OR WE'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO INTO THE MORE OR WE'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO INTO THE POOL BECAUSE WE'RE REVOKING OR ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO INTO THE POOL BECAUSE WE'RE REVOKING OR ENDING THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.
POOL BECAUSE WE'RE REVOKING OR ENDING THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE ENDING THIS PARTICULAR PLAN.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE PRESCRIPTIONS OF THE LAW.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE PRESCRIPTIONS OF THE LAW.
AND SO A LARGER NUMBER THAN THE PRESCRIPTIONS OF THE LAW.
AND SO A LARGER NUMBER THAN THE ADMINISTRATION IMAGINED BY THIS AND SO A LARGER NUMBER THAN THE ADMINISTRATION IMAGINED BY THIS TIME, ONE MONTH IN, ARE GETTING ADMINISTRATION IMAGINED BY THIS TIME, ONE MONTH IN, ARE GETTING LETTERS THAT ARE -- MAKING THEM TIME, ONE MONTH IN, ARE GETTING LETTERS THAT ARE -- MAKING THEM FEEL THAT THEY HAVE BEEN LEFT LETTERS THAT ARE -- MAKING THEM FEEL THAT THEY HAVE BEEN LEFT IN THE LURCH.
FEEL THAT THEY HAVE BEEN LEFT IN THE LURCH.
GWEN: AND IF THE SOLUTION IS TO IN THE LURCH.
GWEN: AND IF THE SOLUTION IS TO GET ONLINE AND GET AN ALTERNATE GWEN: AND IF THE SOLUTION IS TO GET ONLINE AND GET AN ALTERNATE POLICY THEY CAN'T DO THAT.
GET ONLINE AND GET AN ALTERNATE POLICY THEY CAN'T DO THAT.
>> AND IN FACT THE PRESIDENT POLICY THEY CAN'T DO THAT.
>> AND IN FACT THE PRESIDENT THIS WEEK GAVE A SPEECH IN >> AND IN FACT THE PRESIDENT THIS WEEK GAVE A SPEECH IN BOSTON AND TOLD -- ENCOURAGED THIS WEEK GAVE A SPEECH IN BOSTON AND TOLD -- ENCOURAGED PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
BOSTON AND TOLD -- ENCOURAGED PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
GO ONLINE.
PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
GO ONLINE.
SHOP.
GO ONLINE.
SHOP.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR, HE SAID.
SHOP.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR, HE SAID.
THAT'S WHAT THE WEBSITE IS FOR.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR, HE SAID.
THAT'S WHAT THE WEBSITE IS FOR.
>> LET'S GO BACK TO THE WEBSITE THAT'S WHAT THE WEBSITE IS FOR.
>> LET'S GO BACK TO THE WEBSITE WHERE THIS WHOLE MESS KIND OF >> LET'S GO BACK TO THE WEBSITE WHERE THIS WHOLE MESS KIND OF STARTED.
WHERE THIS WHOLE MESS KIND OF STARTED.
DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT WEBSITE IS STARTED.
DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT WEBSITE IS GOING TO BE UP AND RUNNING?
DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT WEBSITE IS GOING TO BE UP AND RUNNING?
AND WHAT'S THE EFFECT ON THE GOING TO BE UP AND RUNNING?
AND WHAT'S THE EFFECT ON THE PROBLEM?
AND WHAT'S THE EFFECT ON THE PROBLEM?
KAREN MENTIONED THAT YOU WANT PROBLEM?
KAREN MENTIONED THAT YOU WANT YOUNG HEALTHY PEOPLE TO SIGN KAREN MENTIONED THAT YOU WANT YOUNG HEALTHY PEOPLE TO SIGN UP.
YOUNG HEALTHY PEOPLE TO SIGN UP.
IF THE WEBSITE IS DELAYED.
UP.
IF THE WEBSITE IS DELAYED.
>> SO TODAY, WE HAD AN UPDATE IF THE WEBSITE IS DELAYED.
>> SO TODAY, WE HAD AN UPDATE FROM THE NEW MANAGER OF THIS >> SO TODAY, WE HAD AN UPDATE FROM THE NEW MANAGER OF THIS CHALLENGE.
FROM THE NEW MANAGER OF THIS CHALLENGE.
HIS NAME IS JEFFREY SZION AND CHALLENGE.
HIS NAME IS JEFFREY SZION AND HE GAVE A ONE-WEEK UPDATE AND HIS NAME IS JEFFREY SZION AND HE GAVE A ONE-WEEK UPDATE AND HE SAID THAT THEY ARE ON TRACK HE GAVE A ONE-WEEK UPDATE AND HE SAID THAT THEY ARE ON TRACK TO MEET THE DEADLINE THEY'VE HE SAID THAT THEY ARE ON TRACK TO MEET THE DEADLINE THEY'VE SET AN ARBITRARY DEADLINE FOR TO MEET THE DEADLINE THEY'VE SET AN ARBITRARY DEADLINE FOR THEMSELVES TO HAVE THIS WORKING SET AN ARBITRARY DEADLINE FOR THEMSELVES TO HAVE THIS WORKING BY THE END OF NOVEMBER.
THEMSELVES TO HAVE THIS WORKING BY THE END OF NOVEMBER.
HE ALSO SAID WE EXPECT BY THE END OF NOVEMBER.
HE ALSO SAID WE EXPECT UNEXPECTED THINGS INCLUDING HE ALSO SAID WE EXPECT UNEXPECTED THINGS INCLUDING SOME TECHNICAL OUTAGES THAT UNEXPECTED THINGS INCLUDING SOME TECHNICAL OUTAGES THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD THIS WEEK SOME TECHNICAL OUTAGES THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD THIS WEEK WHERE THEY LOST HOURS OF TIME THEY ACTUALLY HAD THIS WEEK WHERE THEY LOST HOURS OF TIME FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO USE WHERE THEY LOST HOURS OF TIME FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO USE THE SITE.
FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO USE THE SITE.
THEY'RE PATCHING IT AT NIGHT THE SITE.
THEY'RE PATCHING IT AT NIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE PATCHING IT AT NIGHT NOW.
FROM 1:00 TO 5:00 A.M. NOW.
FROM 1:00 TO 5:00 A.M.
THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOME MORE FROM 1:00 TO 5:00 A.M.
THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOME MORE FIXING THIS WEEKEND.
THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOME MORE FIXING THIS WEEKEND.
SO WITHIN A MONTH, HE'S SAYING FIXING THIS WEEKEND.
SO WITHIN A MONTH, HE'S SAYING THE WEBSITE SHOULD BE WORKING SO WITHIN A MONTH, HE'S SAYING THE WEBSITE SHOULD BE WORKING SMOOTHLY FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE WEBSITE SHOULD BE WORKING SMOOTHLY FOR THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE.
SMOOTHLY FOR THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE.
>> IS THERE A WORST CASE PEOPLE.
>> IS THERE A WORST CASE SCENARIO HERE?
>> IS THERE A WORST CASE SCENARIO HERE?
IF THE -- IF THE WEBSITE IS NOT SCENARIO HERE?
IF THE -- IF THE WEBSITE IS NOT FIXED IN TIME, DOES THE WHOLE IF THE -- IF THE WEBSITE IS NOT FIXED IN TIME, DOES THE WHOLE THING AT SOME POINT, DOES -- FIXED IN TIME, DOES THE WHOLE THING AT SOME POINT, DOES -- IT'S BASED ON AN EQUILIBRIUM, I THING AT SOME POINT, DOES -- IT'S BASED ON AN EQUILIBRIUM, I ASSUME.
IT'S BASED ON AN EQUILIBRIUM, I ASSUME.
AND IF EVERYTHING STARTS TO ASSUME.
AND IF EVERYTHING STARTS TO FALL APART, DOES -- WHAT AND IF EVERYTHING STARTS TO FALL APART, DOES -- WHAT HAPPENS THEN?
FALL APART, DOES -- WHAT HAPPENS THEN?
>> WELL, AS PEOPLE HAVE UNTIL HAPPENS THEN?
>> WELL, AS PEOPLE HAVE UNTIL APRIL TO SIGN UP FOR THIS THING >> WELL, AS PEOPLE HAVE UNTIL APRIL TO SIGN UP FOR THIS THING OR BEGIN TO PAY A PENALTY.
APRIL TO SIGN UP FOR THIS THING OR BEGIN TO PAY A PENALTY.
IF THEY DON'T SIGN UP.
OR BEGIN TO PAY A PENALTY.
IF THEY DON'T SIGN UP.
BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT A LOT OF IF THEY DON'T SIGN UP.
BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT A LOT OF THESE POLICIES ON THE BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT A LOT OF THESE POLICIES ON THE INDIVIDUAL MARKET ARE NOW GOING THESE POLICIES ON THE INDIVIDUAL MARKET ARE NOW GOING TO BE CANCELED.
INDIVIDUAL MARKET ARE NOW GOING TO BE CANCELED.
COME JANUARY.
TO BE CANCELED.
COME JANUARY.
AND SO A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE, COME JANUARY.
AND SO A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE, IF IT'S NOT UP AND RUNNING BY AND SO A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE, IF IT'S NOT UP AND RUNNING BY THEN, ARE GOING TO BE LEFT IN IF IT'S NOT UP AND RUNNING BY THEN, ARE GOING TO BE LEFT IN THE LURCH.
THEN, ARE GOING TO BE LEFT IN THE LURCH.
AND THE INDIVIDUAL MARKET IS -- THE LURCH.
AND THE INDIVIDUAL MARKET IS -- IT'S A DIFFICULT PLACE TO BUY AND THE INDIVIDUAL MARKET IS -- IT'S A DIFFICULT PLACE TO BUY INSURANCE NOW.
IT'S A DIFFICULT PLACE TO BUY INSURANCE NOW.
BECAUSE PEOPLE GO IN, THEY INSURANCE NOW.
BECAUSE PEOPLE GO IN, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF BECAUSE PEOPLE GO IN, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION.
DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION.
OFTEN THEY BUY POLICIES THAT INFORMATION.
OFTEN THEY BUY POLICIES THAT ARE SKIMPY.
OFTEN THEY BUY POLICIES THAT ARE SKIMPY.
THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS THAT ARE SKIMPY.
THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS PROMISED THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS PROMISED THAT IF YOU LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE PRESIDENT OBAMA IS PROMISED THAT IF YOU LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE YOU CAN KEEP IT.
THAT IF YOU LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE YOU CAN KEEP IT.
THAT THEY HAD GRANDFATHERED IN YOU CAN KEEP IT.
THAT THEY HAD GRANDFATHERED IN ALL THESE OLD POLICIES.
THAT THEY HAD GRANDFATHERED IN ALL THESE OLD POLICIES.
THE FACT IS THE GRANDFATHER ALL THESE OLD POLICIES.
THE FACT IS THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE DIDN'T WORK.
THE FACT IS THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE DIDN'T WORK.
IT EXCLUDED A LOT OF PEOPLE.
CLAUSE DIDN'T WORK.
IT EXCLUDED A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND IT WAS -- IT EXCLUDED A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND IT WAS -- GWEN: AND COULD OPT OUT OF IT.
AND IT WAS -- GWEN: AND COULD OPT OUT OF IT.
>> COMPANIES COULD OPT OUT OF GWEN: AND COULD OPT OUT OF IT.
>> COMPANIES COULD OPT OUT OF IT AND ALSO DIDN'T APPLY TO ANY >> COMPANIES COULD OPT OUT OF IT AND ALSO DIDN'T APPLY TO ANY POLICY THAT WAS WRITTEN AFTER IT AND ALSO DIDN'T APPLY TO ANY POLICY THAT WAS WRITTEN AFTER THE MIDDLE OF 2010.
POLICY THAT WAS WRITTEN AFTER THE MIDDLE OF 2010.
AND MOST PEOPLE RENEW THESE THE MIDDLE OF 2010.
AND MOST PEOPLE RENEW THESE POLICIES YEAR TO YEAR.
AND MOST PEOPLE RENEW THESE POLICIES YEAR TO YEAR.
SO A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE POLICIES YEAR TO YEAR.
SO A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE LURCH.
SO A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE LURCH.
GWEN: LET'S SPEAK MORE -- GOING TO BE IN THE LURCH.
GWEN: LET'S SPEAK MORE -- BROADER ABOUT -- ISN'T THE GWEN: LET'S SPEAK MORE -- BROADER ABOUT -- ISN'T THE WHOLE IDEA OF INSURANCE THAT BROADER ABOUT -- ISN'T THE WHOLE IDEA OF INSURANCE THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN A RISK WHOLE IDEA OF INSURANCE THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN A RISK POOL, THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN A RISK POOL, THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SHARE THE RISK AND PAYING FOR POOL, THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SHARE THE RISK AND PAYING FOR SOMETHING YOU WON'T NECESSARILY SHARE THE RISK AND PAYING FOR SOMETHING YOU WON'T NECESSARILY GET?
SOMETHING YOU WON'T NECESSARILY GET?
AND THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THESE GET?
AND THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THESE CANCELED POLICIES ARE PEOPLE AND THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THESE CANCELED POLICIES ARE PEOPLE NOT GETTING THE POLICY THEY CANCELED POLICIES ARE PEOPLE NOT GETTING THE POLICY THEY WANT IS THEY'RE PAYING FOR NOT GETTING THE POLICY THEY WANT IS THEY'RE PAYING FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT IS THEY'RE PAYING FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT.
SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT.
LIKE MATERNITY CARE IF THEY'RE WANT.
LIKE MATERNITY CARE IF THEY'RE SINGLE.
LIKE MATERNITY CARE IF THEY'RE SINGLE.
>> IF THERE'S ANY ANALYSIS THIS SINGLE.
>> IF THERE'S ANY ANALYSIS THIS WEEK THAT POINTED TO THE >> IF THERE'S ANY ANALYSIS THIS WEEK THAT POINTED TO THE COMMUNICATIONS FLUBS IN THIS WEEK THAT POINTED TO THE COMMUNICATIONS FLUBS IN THIS WHOLE -- THE ADMINISTRATION WAS COMMUNICATIONS FLUBS IN THIS WHOLE -- THE ADMINISTRATION WAS LEFT BEING BEATENEST HEAD -- WHOLE -- THE ADMINISTRATION WAS LEFT BEING BEATENEST HEAD -- BEATEN OVER THE HEAD ABOUT LEFT BEING BEATENEST HEAD -- BEATEN OVER THE HEAD ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF WHAT THEY BEATEN OVER THE HEAD ABOUT GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF WHAT THEY CALL SUBPAR INSURANCE PLANS AND GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF WHAT THEY CALL SUBPAR INSURANCE PLANS AND PEOPLE CLINGING TO THOSE PLANS CALL SUBPAR INSURANCE PLANS AND PEOPLE CLINGING TO THOSE PLANS IF THEY WERE WONDERFUL THINGS PEOPLE CLINGING TO THOSE PLANS IF THEY WERE WONDERFUL THINGS YOU CAN KEEP.
IF THEY WERE WONDERFUL THINGS YOU CAN KEEP.
YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A PROBLEM IN YOU CAN KEEP.
YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A PROBLEM IN AN ADMINISTRATION WHEN YOU'RE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A PROBLEM IN AN ADMINISTRATION WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SELL A BENEFIT AND AN ADMINISTRATION WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SELL A BENEFIT AND YOU'RE FINDING THAT THE TRYING TO SELL A BENEFIT AND YOU'RE FINDING THAT THE MARKETPLACE IS CLINGING TO YOU'RE FINDING THAT THE MARKETPLACE IS CLINGING TO SOMETHING YOU CONSIDER -- MARKETPLACE IS CLINGING TO SOMETHING YOU CONSIDER -- >> THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL SOMETHING YOU CONSIDER -- >> THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL ARGUE THAT THEY JUST NEED >> THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL ARGUE THAT THEY JUST NEED INSURANCE TO REALLY COVER THEM ARGUE THAT THEY JUST NEED INSURANCE TO REALLY COVER THEM IN CASE OF CATASTROPHE.
INSURANCE TO REALLY COVER THEM IN CASE OF CATASTROPHE.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL SAY IN CASE OF CATASTROPHE.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL SAY LOOK, I WILL PAY FOR MY OWN THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL SAY LOOK, I WILL PAY FOR MY OWN MAMMOGRAM IF MY INSURANCE PAYS LOOK, I WILL PAY FOR MY OWN MAMMOGRAM IF MY INSURANCE PAYS FOR MY BREAST CANCER.
MAMMOGRAM IF MY INSURANCE PAYS FOR MY BREAST CANCER.
AND SO SINCE THE FOR MY BREAST CANCER.
AND SO SINCE THE ADMINISTRATION, SINCE THEY AND SO SINCE THE ADMINISTRATION, SINCE THEY WROTE THIS BILL WITH A GIGANTIC ADMINISTRATION, SINCE THEY WROTE THIS BILL WITH A GIGANTIC BENEFITS POLICY THAT COVERS A WROTE THIS BILL WITH A GIGANTIC BENEFITS POLICY THAT COVERS A LOT OF PREVENTATIVE CARE, A LOT BENEFITS POLICY THAT COVERS A LOT OF PREVENTATIVE CARE, A LOT OF BENEFITS THAT MAYBE YOU LOT OF PREVENTATIVE CARE, A LOT OF BENEFITS THAT MAYBE YOU WON'T USE IF YOU'RE A MAN, YOU OF BENEFITS THAT MAYBE YOU WON'T USE IF YOU'RE A MAN, YOU WON'T GET PREGNANT.
WON'T USE IF YOU'RE A MAN, YOU WON'T GET PREGNANT.
THERE'S AN ARGUMENT THAT WON'T GET PREGNANT.
THERE'S AN ARGUMENT THAT PREVENTATIVE CARE SAVES MONEY THERE'S AN ARGUMENT THAT PREVENTATIVE CARE SAVES MONEY IN THE LONG RUN.
PREVENTATIVE CARE SAVES MONEY IN THE LONG RUN.
BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING IN THE LONG RUN.
BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING HEY, LOOK, I JUST WANT MY BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING HEY, LOOK, I JUST WANT MY INSURANCE THERE FOR THE HEY, LOOK, I JUST WANT MY INSURANCE THERE FOR THE EMERGENCY.
INSURANCE THERE FOR THE EMERGENCY.
>> A NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF EMERGENCY.
>> A NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS SAY IF THIS IS SUCH A >> A NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS SAY IF THIS IS SUCH A MESS AND CAN'T SIGN UP FOR IT CONGRESS SAY IF THIS IS SUCH A MESS AND CAN'T SIGN UP FOR IT CAN'T WE JUST POSTPONE THE MESS AND CAN'T SIGN UP FOR IT CAN'T WE JUST POSTPONE THE DEADLINES?
CAN'T WE JUST POSTPONE THE DEADLINES?
GIVE PEOPLE SOME SLACK IN TERMS DEADLINES?
GIVE PEOPLE SOME SLACK IN TERMS OF WHEN THEY HAVE TO SIGN UP.
GIVE PEOPLE SOME SLACK IN TERMS OF WHEN THEY HAVE TO SIGN UP.
>> ANY REAL CONVERSATION GOING OF WHEN THEY HAVE TO SIGN UP.
>> ANY REAL CONVERSATION GOING ON -- >> ANY REAL CONVERSATION GOING ON -- >> THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T ON -- >> THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T SEEM TO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
>> THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T SEEM TO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
>> A NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS ARE SEEM TO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
>> A NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS ARE NOW JOINING REPUBLICANS IN >> A NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS ARE NOW JOINING REPUBLICANS IN ARGUING FOR THIS.
NOW JOINING REPUBLICANS IN ARGUING FOR THIS.
INCLUDING A NUMBER OF SENATE ARGUING FOR THIS.
INCLUDING A NUMBER OF SENATE DEMOCRATS WHOSE JOBS ARE ON THE INCLUDING A NUMBER OF SENATE DEMOCRATS WHOSE JOBS ARE ON THE LINE IN THE NEXT ELECTION.
DEMOCRATS WHOSE JOBS ARE ON THE LINE IN THE NEXT ELECTION.
GWEN: HAS THERE BEEN ANY LINE IN THE NEXT ELECTION.
GWEN: HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION AT THE WHITE HOUSE, GWEN: HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION AT THE WHITE HOUSE, ALEXIS, ABOUT THIS, ABOUT DISCUSSION AT THE WHITE HOUSE, ALEXIS, ABOUT THIS, ABOUT A AYING, DENYING, OR ALEXIS, ABOUT THIS, ABOUT A AYING, DENYING, OR CONCESSION THEY SHOULD HAVE A AYING, DENYING, OR CONCESSION THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT SOONER?
CONCESSION THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT SOONER?
>> YEAH.
DONE THAT SOONER?
>> YEAH.
THIS IS THE ANSWER WE GET.
>> YEAH.
THIS IS THE ANSWER WE GET.
THAT IS VERY REALISTIC THIS IS THE ANSWER WE GET.
THAT IS VERY REALISTIC ASSESSMENT THEY'RE MAKING.
THAT IS VERY REALISTIC ASSESSMENT THEY'RE MAKING.
IF THE WEBSITE CANNOT BE FIXED, ASSESSMENT THEY'RE MAKING.
IF THE WEBSITE CANNOT BE FIXED, REALLY TRULY FIXED TO ALLOW THE IF THE WEBSITE CANNOT BE FIXED, REALLY TRULY FIXED TO ALLOW THE KIND OF SHOPPING THAT YOU WOULD REALLY TRULY FIXED TO ALLOW THE KIND OF SHOPPING THAT YOU WOULD ENVISION, WITHIN A CERTAIN KIND OF SHOPPING THAT YOU WOULD ENVISION, WITHIN A CERTAIN RANGE OF TIME LEADING UP TO THE ENVISION, WITHIN A CERTAIN RANGE OF TIME LEADING UP TO THE JANUARY DEADLINE, JANUARY 1 RANGE OF TIME LEADING UP TO THE JANUARY DEADLINE, JANUARY 1 DEADLINE, AS YOU KNOW, INSURERS JANUARY DEADLINE, JANUARY 1 DEADLINE, AS YOU KNOW, INSURERS NORMALLY -- FOR ALL THE DEADLINE, AS YOU KNOW, INSURERS NORMALLY -- FOR ALL THE PAPERWORK WE NEED SEVERAL NORMALLY -- FOR ALL THE PAPERWORK WE NEED SEVERAL WEEKS.
PAPERWORK WE NEED SEVERAL WEEKS.
THE PLAN GOES INTO EFFECT.
WEEKS.
THE PLAN GOES INTO EFFECT.
YOU CAN BE INSURED JANUARY 1.
THE PLAN GOES INTO EFFECT.
YOU CAN BE INSURED JANUARY 1.
OR YOU CAN BE INSURED ALL THE YOU CAN BE INSURED JANUARY 1.
OR YOU CAN BE INSURED ALL THE WAY UNTIL MARCH 31 WHICH IS OR YOU CAN BE INSURED ALL THE WAY UNTIL MARCH 31 WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING WAY UNTIL MARCH 31 WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
SO THE ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING ABOUT.
SO THE ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING HOLDING THE LINE, WE DON'T SO THE ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING HOLDING THE LINE, WE DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ENROLL.
HOLDING THE LINE, WE DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ENROLL.
BUT WHAT THEY'RE TELLING THINK WE NEED TO ENROLL.
BUT WHAT THEY'RE TELLING DEMOCRATS QUIETLY IS LISTEN, IF BUT WHAT THEY'RE TELLING DEMOCRATS QUIETLY IS LISTEN, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT ALL OF THESE DEMOCRATS QUIETLY IS LISTEN, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED FOR THESE IT TURNS OUT THAT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED FOR THESE RISK POOLS, NOT JUST OLDER AND PEOPLE THAT WE NEED FOR THESE RISK POOLS, NOT JUST OLDER AND SICKER BUT THE YOUNGER AND THE RISK POOLS, NOT JUST OLDER AND SICKER BUT THE YOUNGER AND THE HEALTHIER, IF THEY'RE NOT SICKER BUT THE YOUNGER AND THE HEALTHIER, IF THEY'RE NOT SIGNING UP, THEN WE MAY HAVE TO HEALTHIER, IF THEY'RE NOT SIGNING UP, THEN WE MAY HAVE TO REASSESS.
SIGNING UP, THEN WE MAY HAVE TO REASSESS.
GWEN: AND THERE'S THE POLITICAL REASSESS.
GWEN: AND THERE'S THE POLITICAL FIX QUESTION.
GWEN: AND THERE'S THE POLITICAL FIX QUESTION.
WHICH WE'RE STILL WAITING TO FIX QUESTION.
WHICH WE'RE STILL WAITING TO SEE WHETHER THEY COME UP WITH WHICH WE'RE STILL WAITING TO SEE WHETHER THEY COME UP WITH ONE AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
SEE WHETHER THEY COME UP WITH ONE AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
THE PRESIDENT WAS IN ONE AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
THE PRESIDENT WAS IN MASSACHUSETTS THIS WEEK.
THE PRESIDENT WAS IN MASSACHUSETTS THIS WEEK.
AND HE WAS MAKING THE CASE THAT MASSACHUSETTS THIS WEEK.
AND HE WAS MAKING THE CASE THAT IT TOOK A WHILE FOR THEM TO GET AND HE WAS MAKING THE CASE THAT IT TOOK A WHILE FOR THEM TO GET THEIR HEALTH CARE PLAN RIGHT.
IT TOOK A WHILE FOR THEM TO GET THEIR HEALTH CARE PLAN RIGHT.
AND HE ALSO WAS -- BEGAN THE THEIR HEALTH CARE PLAN RIGHT.
AND HE ALSO WAS -- BEGAN THE DIGGING EXERCISE.
AND HE ALSO WAS -- BEGAN THE DIGGING EXERCISE.
LET'S LISTEN TO A LITTLE BIT OF DIGGING EXERCISE.
LET'S LISTEN TO A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.
LET'S LISTEN TO A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.
>> THERE'S NO DENYING IT.
WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.
>> THERE'S NO DENYING IT.
RIGHT NOW, THE WEBSITE IS TOO >> THERE'S NO DENYING IT.
RIGHT NOW, THE WEBSITE IS TOO SLOW, TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THE WEBSITE IS TOO SLOW, TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN STUCK.
SLOW, TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN STUCK.
AND I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.
GOTTEN STUCK.
AND I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.
AND NEITHER ARE A LOT OF AND I AM NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.
AND NEITHER ARE A LOT OF AMERICANS WHO NEED HEALTH CARE.
AND NEITHER ARE A LOT OF AMERICANS WHO NEED HEALTH CARE.
AND THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE AMERICANS WHO NEED HEALTH CARE.
AND THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY CAN SIGN UP AS AND THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY CAN SIGN UP AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
OUT HOW THEY CAN SIGN UP AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR IT.
QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR IT.
AND I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY SO THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR IT.
AND I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAKING SURE IT GETS FIXED AND I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAKING SURE IT GETS FIXED ASAP.
FOR MAKING SURE IT GETS FIXED ASAP.
WE ARE WORKING OVERTIME TO ASAP.
WE ARE WORKING OVERTIME TO IMPROVE IT EVERY DAY.
WE ARE WORKING OVERTIME TO IMPROVE IT EVERY DAY.
GWEN: EVERYBODY'S TAKING IMPROVE IT EVERY DAY.
GWEN: EVERYBODY'S TAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
GWEN: EVERYBODY'S TAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
ANYTHING CHANGING?
RESPONSIBILITY.
ANYTHING CHANGING?
>> WELL, AGAIN, IF THIS GETS ANYTHING CHANGING?
>> WELL, AGAIN, IF THIS GETS FIXED IN A FEW DAYS OR A WEEK, >> WELL, AGAIN, IF THIS GETS FIXED IN A FEW DAYS OR A WEEK, I THINK THAT THE LONG-TERM FIXED IN A FEW DAYS OR A WEEK, I THINK THAT THE LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES MAY NOT BE SO BAD.
I THINK THAT THE LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES MAY NOT BE SO BAD.
GWEN: GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE CONSEQUENCES MAY NOT BE SO BAD.
GWEN: GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE THAN A WEEK, KAREN.
GWEN: GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE THAN A WEEK, KAREN.
>> BUT THIS DOES REMIND ME OF THAN A WEEK, KAREN.
>> BUT THIS DOES REMIND ME OF IN THE TONE OF THE PRESIDENT'S >> BUT THIS DOES REMIND ME OF IN THE TONE OF THE PRESIDENT'S VOICE, REMINDS ME OF THE B.P.
IN THE TONE OF THE PRESIDENT'S VOICE, REMINDS ME OF THE B.P.
OIL SPILL.
VOICE, REMINDS ME OF THE B.P.
OIL SPILL.
WHERE YOU COULD JUST SORT OF OIL SPILL.
WHERE YOU COULD JUST SORT OF SEE THE FRUSTRATION.
WHERE YOU COULD JUST SORT OF SEE THE FRUSTRATION.
AND YET, YOU SAY I TAKE SEE THE FRUSTRATION.
AND YET, YOU SAY I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.
AND YET, YOU SAY I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.
AND YET NOBODY'S LOST THEIR JOB RESPONSIBILITY.
AND YET NOBODY'S LOST THEIR JOB OVER THIS.
AND YET NOBODY'S LOST THEIR JOB OVER THIS.
WHO EXACTLY IS BEING HELD TO OVER THIS.
WHO EXACTLY IS BEING HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS?
WHO EXACTLY IS BEING HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS?
>> DURING THE BIG SHUTDOWN ACCOUNT FOR THIS?
>> DURING THE BIG SHUTDOWN DEBATE THE PRESIDENT OVER AND >> DURING THE BIG SHUTDOWN DEBATE THE PRESIDENT OVER AND OVER SAID THAT ONCE THAT WAS DEBATE THE PRESIDENT OVER AND OVER SAID THAT ONCE THAT WAS BEHIND US, HE WAS OPEN TO OVER SAID THAT ONCE THAT WAS BEHIND US, HE WAS OPEN TO NEGOTIATION.
BEHIND US, HE WAS OPEN TO NEGOTIATION.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF NEGOTIATION.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF NEGOTIATION TAKING PLACE?
IS THERE ANY KIND OF NEGOTIATION TAKING PLACE?
ARE THERE -- WHAT HAPPENED TO NEGOTIATION TAKING PLACE?
ARE THERE -- WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MEDICAL DEVICES TAX?
ARE THERE -- WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MEDICAL DEVICES TAX?
ARE THERE ANY LEGISLATIVE THE MEDICAL DEVICES TAX?
ARE THERE ANY LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT MIGHT NOW BE ARE THERE ANY LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT MIGHT NOW BE CONSIDERED?
CHANGES THAT MIGHT NOW BE CONSIDERED?
>> I THINK THOSE SORTS OF CONSIDERED?
>> I THINK THOSE SORTS OF THINGS MIGHT COME UP IN THE >> I THINK THOSE SORTS OF THINGS MIGHT COME UP IN THE BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS WHICH THINGS MIGHT COME UP IN THE BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS WHICH ACTUALLY BEGAN THIS WEEK.
BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS WHICH ACTUALLY BEGAN THIS WEEK.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN A CONFERENCE ACTUALLY BEGAN THIS WEEK.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN A CONFERENCE COMMITTEE IN A LONG TIME.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN A CONFERENCE COMMITTEE IN A LONG TIME.
WE ACTUALLY SAW ONE.
COMMITTEE IN A LONG TIME.
WE ACTUALLY SAW ONE.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THINGS WE ACTUALLY SAW ONE.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THINGS LIKE THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUT BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THINGS LIKE THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUT ON THE TABLE IN THE MIDDLE OF LIKE THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUT ON THE TABLE IN THE MIDDLE OF JUST TRYING TO GET THIS ON THE TABLE IN THE MIDDLE OF JUST TRYING TO GET THIS WORKING.
JUST TRYING TO GET THIS WORKING.
GWEN: FINAL.
WORKING.
GWEN: FINAL.
>> I THINK THAT THE GWEN: FINAL.
>> I THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO >> I THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO GIVE THESE ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO TRY TO GIVE THESE UPDATES, THAT INCREMENTALLY CONTINUE TO TRY TO GIVE THESE UPDATES, THAT INCREMENTALLY EVERY DAY THINGS ARE GETTING UPDATES, THAT INCREMENTALLY EVERY DAY THINGS ARE GETTING FIXED AND HOPE THAT THAT TURNS EVERY DAY THINGS ARE GETTING FIXED AND HOPE THAT THAT TURNS OUT TO BE THE TRUTH.
FIXED AND HOPE THAT THAT TURNS OUT TO BE THE TRUTH.
GWEN: WE'LL BE WATCHING IT.
OUT TO BE THE TRUTH.
GWEN: WE'LL BE WATCHING IT.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
GWEN: WE'LL BE WATCHING IT.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU.
NOW, ANOTHER LOOK AT THE THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU.
NOW, ANOTHER LOOK AT THE RAPIDLY ACCUMULATING EVIDENCE NOW, ANOTHER LOOK AT THE RAPIDLY ACCUMULATING EVIDENCE THAT VERY LITTLE YOU RAPIDLY ACCUMULATING EVIDENCE THAT VERY LITTLE YOU COMMUNICATE OR THAT THE GERMAN THAT VERY LITTLE YOU COMMUNICATE OR THAT THE GERMAN CHANCELLOR COMMUNICATES FOR COMMUNICATE OR THAT THE GERMAN CHANCELLOR COMMUNICATES FOR THAT MATTER IS REALLY PRIVATE.
CHANCELLOR COMMUNICATES FOR THAT MATTER IS REALLY PRIVATE.
THE LATEST DRIP, DRIP, DRIP THAT MATTER IS REALLY PRIVATE.
THE LATEST DRIP, DRIP, DRIP FROM FORMER N.S.A.
CONTRACTOR THE LATEST DRIP, DRIP, DRIP FROM FORMER N.S.A.
CONTRACTOR EDWARD SNOWDEN SUGGESTS THAT FROM FORMER N.S.A.
CONTRACTOR EDWARD SNOWDEN SUGGESTS THAT THE NATION'S BIGGEST TECH EDWARD SNOWDEN SUGGESTS THAT THE NATION'S BIGGEST TECH COMPANIES ARE BEING BREACHED, THE NATION'S BIGGEST TECH COMPANIES ARE BEING BREACHED, TOO.
COMPANIES ARE BEING BREACHED, TOO.
AND AS FAR AS WE KNOW, IT'S ALL TOO.
AND AS FAR AS WE KNOW, IT'S ALL LEGAL.
AND AS FAR AS WE KNOW, IT'S ALL LEGAL.
IS THAT RIGHT, TOM?
LEGAL.
IS THAT RIGHT, TOM?
>> WELL, THAT'S BEING DEBATED.
IS THAT RIGHT, TOM?
>> WELL, THAT'S BEING DEBATED.
AND I'M NOT A LAWYER.
>> WELL, THAT'S BEING DEBATED.
AND I'M NOT A LAWYER.
SO I SORT OF DEAL WITH THINGS AND I'M NOT A LAWYER.
SO I SORT OF DEAL WITH THINGS ON A DUMBED DOWN LEVEL.
SO I SORT OF DEAL WITH THINGS ON A DUMBED DOWN LEVEL.
GWEN: OK. ON A DUMBED DOWN LEVEL.
GWEN: OK. DO THAT.
GWEN: OK. DO THAT.
>> THERE'S ONE RULE THAT DO THAT.
>> THERE'S ONE RULE THAT >> THERE'S ONE RULE THAT BASICALLY UNDERLIES ALL THE LAW BASICALLY UNDERLIES ALL THE LAW HERE.
WHICH IS YOU CAN'T SPY ON HERE.
WHICH IS YOU CAN'T SPY ON AMERICANS WITHOUT A COURT WHICH IS YOU CAN'T SPY ON AMERICANS WITHOUT A COURT ORDER.
AMERICANS WITHOUT A COURT ORDER.
GWEN: RIGHT.
ORDER.
GWEN: RIGHT.
>> BUT APPARENTLY YOU CAN SPY GWEN: RIGHT.
>> BUT APPARENTLY YOU CAN SPY ON FOREIGNERS.
>> BUT APPARENTLY YOU CAN SPY ON FOREIGNERS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THESE LATEST ON FOREIGNERS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THESE LATEST ROUNDS OF DISCLOSURES HAVE AND THAT'S WHAT THESE LATEST ROUNDS OF DISCLOSURES HAVE INVOLVED.
ROUNDS OF DISCLOSURES HAVE INVOLVED.
WHETHER IT'S SPYING ON ANGELA INVOLVED.
WHETHER IT'S SPYING ON ANGELA MERKEL OR IN THIS CASE THE WHETHER IT'S SPYING ON ANGELA MERKEL OR IN THIS CASE THE N.S.A.
FOUND A WAY TO INTERCEPT MERKEL OR IN THIS CASE THE N.S.A.
FOUND A WAY TO INTERCEPT THE DATA AS IT WAS TRANSITING N.S.A.
FOUND A WAY TO INTERCEPT THE DATA AS IT WAS TRANSITING THROUGH DATA LINKS INTO DATA THE DATA AS IT WAS TRANSITING THROUGH DATA LINKS INTO DATA CENTERS THAT WERE HELD BY THROUGH DATA LINKS INTO DATA CENTERS THAT WERE HELD BY GOOGLE AND YAHOO IN EUROPE.
CENTERS THAT WERE HELD BY GOOGLE AND YAHOO IN EUROPE.
SO THE ARGUMENT WOULD SEEM TO GOOGLE AND YAHOO IN EUROPE.
SO THE ARGUMENT WOULD SEEM TO BE, THE LEGAL ARGUMENT WOULD SO THE ARGUMENT WOULD SEEM TO BE, THE LEGAL ARGUMENT WOULD SEEM TO BE BECAUSE THOSE DATA BE, THE LEGAL ARGUMENT WOULD SEEM TO BE BECAUSE THOSE DATA CENTERS ARE IN EUROPE, THEY'RE SEEM TO BE BECAUSE THOSE DATA CENTERS ARE IN EUROPE, THEY'RE NOT -- THEY CAN ASSUME THEY'RE CENTERS ARE IN EUROPE, THEY'RE NOT -- THEY CAN ASSUME THEY'RE NOT AMERICAN DATA.
NOT -- THEY CAN ASSUME THEY'RE NOT AMERICAN DATA.
THEREFORE, IT WAS LEGAL TO GO NOT AMERICAN DATA.
THEREFORE, IT WAS LEGAL TO GO IN.
THEREFORE, IT WAS LEGAL TO GO IN.
HOWEVER, THE DATA COMPANIES, IN.
HOWEVER, THE DATA COMPANIES, GOOGLE AND YAHOO, ARE HOWEVER, THE DATA COMPANIES, GOOGLE AND YAHOO, ARE ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS ABOUT THIS.
GOOGLE AND YAHOO, ARE ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS ABOUT THIS.
FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS ABOUT THIS.
FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
ONE OF THEM IS THAT THEIR FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
ONE OF THEM IS THAT THEIR REPUTATIONS HAVE NOW BEEN ONE OF THEM IS THAT THEIR REPUTATIONS HAVE NOW BEEN TAINTED.
REPUTATIONS HAVE NOW BEEN TAINTED.
IN EUROPE, GOOGLE HAS LIKE A TAINTED.
IN EUROPE, GOOGLE HAS LIKE A 90% MARKET SHARE OF THE SEARCH IN EUROPE, GOOGLE HAS LIKE A 90% MARKET SHARE OF THE SEARCH SOFTWARE.
90% MARKET SHARE OF THE SEARCH SOFTWARE.
THAT'S MUCH HIGHER EVEN THAN IN SOFTWARE.
THAT'S MUCH HIGHER EVEN THAN IN THE UNITED STATES.
THAT'S MUCH HIGHER EVEN THAN IN THE UNITED STATES.
YOU'RE NOW SEEING PEOPLE THE UNITED STATES.
YOU'RE NOW SEEING PEOPLE CLOSING THEIR G-MAIL ACCOUNTS YOU'RE NOW SEEING PEOPLE CLOSING THEIR G-MAIL ACCOUNTS IN EUROPE BECAUSE THEY DON'T CLOSING THEIR G-MAIL ACCOUNTS IN EUROPE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THEIR DATA COMPROMISED.
IN EUROPE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THEIR DATA COMPROMISED.
SO GOOGLE IS LOSING, YAHOO IS WANT THEIR DATA COMPROMISED.
SO GOOGLE IS LOSING, YAHOO IS LOSING, PEOPLE ARE UPSET.
SO GOOGLE IS LOSING, YAHOO IS LOSING, PEOPLE ARE UPSET.
GOVERNMENTS ARE UPSET.
LOSING, PEOPLE ARE UPSET.
GOVERNMENTS ARE UPSET.
IT'S REALLY BECOME A MESS.
GOVERNMENTS ARE UPSET.
IT'S REALLY BECOME A MESS.
>> IS THE UNITED STATES THE IT'S REALLY BECOME A MESS.
>> IS THE UNITED STATES THE ONLY ONES DOING THIS?
>> IS THE UNITED STATES THE ONLY ONES DOING THIS?
THIS DATA IN EUROPE, ARE ONLY ONES DOING THIS?
THIS DATA IN EUROPE, ARE EUROPEANS COMING THROUGH IT?
THIS DATA IN EUROPE, ARE EUROPEANS COMING THROUGH IT?
>> THERE WAS A SORT OF EUROPEANS COMING THROUGH IT?
>> THERE WAS A SORT OF EMBARRASSING EPISODE WHEN >> THERE WAS A SORT OF EMBARRASSING EPISODE WHEN FRENCH AND SPANISH NEWSPAPERS EMBARRASSING EPISODE WHEN FRENCH AND SPANISH NEWSPAPERS WERE REPORTING THAT N.S.A.
WAS FRENCH AND SPANISH NEWSPAPERS WERE REPORTING THAT N.S.A.
WAS GOING THROUGH THE DATA OF THOSE WERE REPORTING THAT N.S.A.
WAS GOING THROUGH THE DATA OF THOSE CITIZENS.
GOING THROUGH THE DATA OF THOSE CITIZENS.
AND THEN IT TURNS OUT ACCORDING CITIZENS.
AND THEN IT TURNS OUT ACCORDING TO THE N.S.A., THAT IN FACT THE AND THEN IT TURNS OUT ACCORDING TO THE N.S.A., THAT IN FACT THE INTELLIGENCE SERVICES IN THOSE TO THE N.S.A., THAT IN FACT THE INTELLIGENCE SERVICES IN THOSE COUNTRIES WERE ACTUALLY HELPING INTELLIGENCE SERVICES IN THOSE COUNTRIES WERE ACTUALLY HELPING THE N.S.A.
DO IT.
COUNTRIES WERE ACTUALLY HELPING THE N.S.A.
DO IT.
BUT THIS KIND OF DEFENSE CAN THE N.S.A.
DO IT.
BUT THIS KIND OF DEFENSE CAN ACTUALLY BACKFIRE IN A WAY.
BUT THIS KIND OF DEFENSE CAN ACTUALLY BACKFIRE IN A WAY.
BECAUSE FOR TWO REASONS.
ACTUALLY BACKFIRE IN A WAY.
BECAUSE FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE, IT MAKES INTELLIGENCE BECAUSE FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE, IT MAKES INTELLIGENCE SHARING TO THE EXTENT IT DOES ONE, IT MAKES INTELLIGENCE SHARING TO THE EXTENT IT DOES HAPPEN MORE DIFFICULT.
SHARING TO THE EXTENT IT DOES HAPPEN MORE DIFFICULT.
BECAUSE NOW GOVERNMENTS, THE HAPPEN MORE DIFFICULT.
BECAUSE NOW GOVERNMENTS, THE PUBLIC IN THOSE COUNTRIES WILL BECAUSE NOW GOVERNMENTS, THE PUBLIC IN THOSE COUNTRIES WILL BE OUTRAGED TO FIND OUT THEIR PUBLIC IN THOSE COUNTRIES WILL BE OUTRAGED TO FIND OUT THEIR GOVERNMENTS ARE INVOLVED WITH BE OUTRAGED TO FIND OUT THEIR GOVERNMENTS ARE INVOLVED WITH THE N.S.A.
AND MAKE IT HARDER GOVERNMENTS ARE INVOLVED WITH THE N.S.A.
AND MAKE IT HARDER FOR THOSE INTELLIGENCE SERVICES THE N.S.A.
AND MAKE IT HARDER FOR THOSE INTELLIGENCE SERVICES TO COOPERATE WITH THE N.S.A.
FOR THOSE INTELLIGENCE SERVICES TO COOPERATE WITH THE N.S.A.
THE OTHER THING IS TO THE TO COOPERATE WITH THE N.S.A.
THE OTHER THING IS TO THE EXTENT THAT THE ARGUMENT, THE THE OTHER THING IS TO THE EXTENT THAT THE ARGUMENT, THE DEFENSE IS EVERYBODY DOES IT, EXTENT THAT THE ARGUMENT, THE DEFENSE IS EVERYBODY DOES IT, THEN THE CHINESE GET OFF THE DEFENSE IS EVERYBODY DOES IT, THEN THE CHINESE GET OFF THE HOOK BECAUSE THEY'RE ENGAGED IN THEN THE CHINESE GET OFF THE HOOK BECAUSE THEY'RE ENGAGED IN A LOT OF CYBER ESPIONAGE AND HOOK BECAUSE THEY'RE ENGAGED IN A LOT OF CYBER ESPIONAGE AND FEEL THAT'S A DEFENSE THEY CAN A LOT OF CYBER ESPIONAGE AND FEEL THAT'S A DEFENSE THEY CAN USE.
FEEL THAT'S A DEFENSE THEY CAN USE.
THE FRENCH ARE ENGAGED IN A LOT USE.
THE FRENCH ARE ENGAGED IN A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL ESPIONAGE AGAINST THE FRENCH ARE ENGAGED IN A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL ESPIONAGE AGAINST THE AMERICANS.
OF INDUSTRIAL ESPIONAGE AGAINST THE AMERICANS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALMOST NO THE AMERICANS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALMOST NO WAY TO SEE WHERE THIS WORKS OUT SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALMOST NO WAY TO SEE WHERE THIS WORKS OUT WELL.
WAY TO SEE WHERE THIS WORKS OUT WELL.
>> TOM, YOU MENTIONED THE WELL.
>> TOM, YOU MENTIONED THE SPYING, THE INTERCEPTION OF >> TOM, YOU MENTIONED THE SPYING, THE INTERCEPTION OF DATA FROM GOOGLE AND YAHOO.
SPYING, THE INTERCEPTION OF DATA FROM GOOGLE AND YAHOO.
ARE COMPANIES LIKE THAT NOW DATA FROM GOOGLE AND YAHOO.
ARE COMPANIES LIKE THAT NOW SHUTTING THOSE DOORS THAT -- OR ARE COMPANIES LIKE THAT NOW SHUTTING THOSE DOORS THAT -- OR THOSE WINDOWS OR WHATEVER THE SHUTTING THOSE DOORS THAT -- OR THOSE WINDOWS OR WHATEVER THE RIGHT TAPHMEOR IS THAT THE THOSE WINDOWS OR WHATEVER THE RIGHT TAPHMEOR IS THAT THE N.S.A.
WAS USING?
RIGHT TAPHMEOR IS THAT THE N.S.A.
WAS USING?
IS THE N.S.A.
ACTUALLY LOSING N.S.A.
WAS USING?
IS THE N.S.A.
ACTUALLY LOSING CAPABILITY ACROSS THE BOARD IS THE N.S.A.
ACTUALLY LOSING CAPABILITY ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE OF THESE REVELATIONS?
CAPABILITY ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE OF THESE REVELATIONS?
>> WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE OF THESE REVELATIONS?
>> WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING, DOYLE.
>> WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING, DOYLE.
BECAUSE THE GOOGLE AND YAHOO DOYLE.
BECAUSE THE GOOGLE AND YAHOO SAW THIS COMING.
BECAUSE THE GOOGLE AND YAHOO SAW THIS COMING.
I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH SAW THIS COMING.
I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH OUT THERE IN THE LAST FEW I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH OUT THERE IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
OUT THERE IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
AND THEY'RE DESCRIBING IT AS MONTHS.
AND THEY'RE DESCRIBING IT AS THEY'VE BEEN KIND OF IN A RACE AND THEY'RE DESCRIBING IT AS THEY'VE BEEN KIND OF IN A RACE WITH THE N.S.A.
THEY'VE BEEN KIND OF IN A RACE WITH THE N.S.A.
THEY HAVE AN IDEA WHERE THEIR WITH THE N.S.A.
THEY HAVE AN IDEA WHERE THEIR VULNERABILITIES ARE AND TRYING THEY HAVE AN IDEA WHERE THEIR VULNERABILITIES ARE AND TRYING TO PATCH THEM.
VULNERABILITIES ARE AND TRYING TO PATCH THEM.
THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO ENCRYPT TO PATCH THEM.
THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO ENCRYPT THE DATA.
THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO ENCRYPT THE DATA.
N.S.A.
HAS SOME PRETTY SHARP THE DATA.
N.S.A.
HAS SOME PRETTY SHARP DECRIPPINGS CAPABILITIES.
N.S.A.
HAS SOME PRETTY SHARP DECRIPPINGS CAPABILITIES.
THEY'VE GOTTEN AHEAD OF GOOGLE DECRIPPINGS CAPABILITIES.
THEY'VE GOTTEN AHEAD OF GOOGLE AND YAHOO.
THEY'VE GOTTEN AHEAD OF GOOGLE AND YAHOO.
BUT THEY'RE TRYING THEIR BEST AND YAHOO.
BUT THEY'RE TRYING THEIR BEST TO CLOSE THE VULNERABILITIES.
BUT THEY'RE TRYING THEIR BEST TO CLOSE THE VULNERABILITIES.
BUT THE N.S.A.
WAS AHEAD OF TO CLOSE THE VULNERABILITIES.
BUT THE N.S.A.
WAS AHEAD OF THEM IN THIS CASE.
BUT THE N.S.A.
WAS AHEAD OF THEM IN THIS CASE.
FURTHER AHEAD THAN THESE THEM IN THIS CASE.
FURTHER AHEAD THAN THESE COMPANIES REALIZED.
FURTHER AHEAD THAN THESE COMPANIES REALIZED.
AND WHAT'S GOING ON NOW, I COMPANIES REALIZED.
AND WHAT'S GOING ON NOW, I WOULD PRESUME THAT THERE BE AND WHAT'S GOING ON NOW, I WOULD PRESUME THAT THERE BE SOME NEGOTIATIONS BEHIND THE WOULD PRESUME THAT THERE BE SOME NEGOTIATIONS BEHIND THE SCENES.
SOME NEGOTIATIONS BEHIND THE SCENES.
BUT THOSE COMPANIES ARE SCENES.
BUT THOSE COMPANIES ARE EMBARRASSED.
BUT THOSE COMPANIES ARE EMBARRASSED.
THE N.S.A.
DIDN'T WANT TO TALK EMBARRASSED.
THE N.S.A.
DIDN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
THE N.S.A.
DIDN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
THIS IS SO SECRET WE DON'T ABOUT IT.
THIS IS SO SECRET WE DON'T KNOW.
THIS IS SO SECRET WE DON'T KNOW.
>> TOM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE KNOW.
>> TOM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT AT THE WHITE >> TOM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT AT THE WHITE HOUSE IS MURKINESS ABOUT WHAT HEAR A LOT ABOUT AT THE WHITE HOUSE IS MURKINESS ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW ABOUT THE -- HOUSE IS MURKINESS ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW ABOUT THE -- I'M TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY THE PRESIDENT KNEW ABOUT THE -- I'M TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SURVEILLANCE OF OTHER I'M TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SURVEILLANCE OF OTHER HEADS OF STATE.
ABOUT THE SURVEILLANCE OF OTHER HEADS OF STATE.
MORE BROADLY, WHAT DO WE KNOW HEADS OF STATE.
MORE BROADLY, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT WHAT HE DID KNOW ABOUT MORE BROADLY, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT WHAT HE DID KNOW ABOUT THAT AND THE ADMINISTRATION'S ABOUT WHAT HE DID KNOW ABOUT THAT AND THE ADMINISTRATION'S VERY EAGER TO TALK ABOUT THE THAT AND THE ADMINISTRATION'S VERY EAGER TO TALK ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S REVIEW,S VERY EAGER TO TALK ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S REVIEW,S THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR AS PRESIDENT'S REVIEW,S THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR AS IF DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE, THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR AS IF DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE, BEING ENDED OR REPAIRED OR IF DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE, BEING ENDED OR REPAIRED OR FIXED OR ADJUSTED, WHAT DO WE BEING ENDED OR REPAIRED OR FIXED OR ADJUSTED, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON FROM FIXED OR ADJUSTED, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON FROM THE WHITE HOUSE?
KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON FROM THE WHITE HOUSE?
>> THERE IS A REVIEW.
THE WHITE HOUSE?
>> THERE IS A REVIEW.
THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE REVIEWS.
>> THERE IS A REVIEW.
THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE REVIEWS.
AND THERE ARE -- COMPETING THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE REVIEWS.
AND THERE ARE -- COMPETING LEGISLATION ON CAPITOL HILL AS AND THERE ARE -- COMPETING LEGISLATION ON CAPITOL HILL AS WELL.
LEGISLATION ON CAPITOL HILL AS WELL.
TO SORT OF -- MUCH MORE MODEST WELL.
TO SORT OF -- MUCH MORE MODEST THAN THE OTHER.
TO SORT OF -- MUCH MORE MODEST THAN THE OTHER.
IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE WILL BE THAN THE OTHER.
IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE WILL BE CHANGES.
IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE WILL BE CHANGES.
BUT THERE'S ALSO THIS BLASME CHANGES.
BUT THERE'S ALSO THIS BLASME GAME GOING ON THAT'S OPENED UP BUT THERE'S ALSO THIS BLASME GAME GOING ON THAT'S OPENED UP WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION.
GAME GOING ON THAT'S OPENED UP WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION.
THIS EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION.
THIS EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION THIS WEEK WHERE GENERAL KEITH THIS EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION THIS WEEK WHERE GENERAL KEITH ALEXANDER, THE HEAD OF THE THIS WEEK WHERE GENERAL KEITH ALEXANDER, THE HEAD OF THE N.S.A., BASICALLY SAID ALEXANDER, THE HEAD OF THE N.S.A., BASICALLY SAID AMBASSADORS ARE ASKING US TO N.S.A., BASICALLY SAID AMBASSADORS ARE ASKING US TO FIND -- TO GET PERSONAL AMBASSADORS ARE ASKING US TO FIND -- TO GET PERSONAL INFORMATION ON THE HEADS OF FIND -- TO GET PERSONAL INFORMATION ON THE HEADS OF STATE OR THE HEADS OF INFORMATION ON THE HEADS OF STATE OR THE HEADS OF GOVERNMENT IN THE COUNTRIES STATE OR THE HEADS OF GOVERNMENT IN THE COUNTRIES WHERE THEY WORK.
GOVERNMENT IN THE COUNTRIES WHERE THEY WORK.
TO WHICH THE DIPLOMATIC CORPS WHERE THEY WORK.
TO WHICH THE DIPLOMATIC CORPS REALLY OBJECTED AND WE'RE NOT TO WHICH THE DIPLOMATIC CORPS REALLY OBJECTED AND WE'RE NOT -- WE HAD SEVERAL AMBASSADORS REALLY OBJECTED AND WE'RE NOT -- WE HAD SEVERAL AMBASSADORS OR FORMER AMBASSADORS, PEOPLE -- WE HAD SEVERAL AMBASSADORS OR FORMER AMBASSADORS, PEOPLE LIKE TOM PICKERING COMING OUT OR FORMER AMBASSADORS, PEOPLE LIKE TOM PICKERING COMING OUT SAYING THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS AND LIKE TOM PICKERING COMING OUT SAYING THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS AND WE NEVER ASKED FOR THAT KIND OF SAYING THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS AND WE NEVER ASKED FOR THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WE NEVER ASKED FOR THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THE WHITE HOUSE IS SAYING WE STUFF.
THE WHITE HOUSE IS SAYING WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS.
THE WHITE HOUSE IS SAYING WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS.
AND INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS.
AND INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAY THERE'S NO WAY THAT THE WHITE AND INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAY THERE'S NO WAY THAT THE WHITE HOUSE DID.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT THE WHITE HOUSE DID.
GWEN: WHAT PUZZLES ME, WHAT HOUSE DID.
GWEN: WHAT PUZZLES ME, WHAT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS KNEW ABOUT GWEN: WHAT PUZZLES ME, WHAT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS KNEW ABOUT IT?
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS KNEW ABOUT IT?
THEY SAID THIS IS AN OUTRAGE IT?
THEY SAID THIS IS AN OUTRAGE AND HEARD THE HEAD OF THE HOUSE THEY SAID THIS IS AN OUTRAGE AND HEARD THE HEAD OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE SAY AND HEARD THE HEAD OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE SAY WELL, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE SAY WELL, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING WE DO.
WELL, THIS IS THE KIND OF THING WE DO.
HOW -- AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.
WE DO.
HOW -- AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.
I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW HOW -- AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.
I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE THE SAME BODY OF LAWMAKERS.
THOSE TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE THE SAME BODY OF LAWMAKERS.
>> WELL, MIKE ROGERS, CHAIRMAN THE SAME BODY OF LAWMAKERS.
>> WELL, MIKE ROGERS, CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE >> WELL, MIKE ROGERS, CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, SAID THAT IF THERE'S OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, SAID THAT IF THERE'S DISAGREEMENT WITHIN THE COMMITTEE, SAID THAT IF THERE'S DISAGREEMENT WITHIN THE COMMITTEE ABOUT WHETHER THEY DISAGREEMENT WITHIN THE COMMITTEE ABOUT WHETHER THEY KNEW ABOUT IT, IT'S BECAUSE COMMITTEE ABOUT WHETHER THEY KNEW ABOUT IT, IT'S BECAUSE SOME COMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE KNEW ABOUT IT, IT'S BECAUSE SOME COMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE DOING THEIR HOMEWORK AND OTHER SOME COMMITTEE MEMBERS WERE DOING THEIR HOMEWORK AND OTHER ONES WERE.
DOING THEIR HOMEWORK AND OTHER ONES WERE.
BUT THE ONES WHO PEOPLE LIKE ONES WERE.
BUT THE ONES WHO PEOPLE LIKE ADAM SCHIFF IN CALIFORNIA BUT THE ONES WHO PEOPLE LIKE ADAM SCHIFF IN CALIFORNIA REALLY TOOK UMBRAGE AT THAT ADAM SCHIFF IN CALIFORNIA REALLY TOOK UMBRAGE AT THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING MY REALLY TOOK UMBRAGE AT THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING MY HOMEWORK AND DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN DOING MY HOMEWORK AND DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
HOMEWORK AND DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
MIKE ROGERS NEVER SPECIFICALLY IT.
MIKE ROGERS NEVER SPECIFICALLY SAID HE KNEW ABOUT IT.
MIKE ROGERS NEVER SPECIFICALLY SAID HE KNEW ABOUT IT.
GWEN: HE CAN'T.
SAID HE KNEW ABOUT IT.
GWEN: HE CAN'T.
BUT HE KIND OF HINTED.
GWEN: HE CAN'T.
BUT HE KIND OF HINTED.
THIS WILL BE FUN.
BUT HE KIND OF HINTED.
THIS WILL BE FUN.
SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO TELL THE THIS WILL BE FUN.
SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S POLICY AND WHAT'S POLITICS IN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S POLICY AND WHAT'S POLITICS IN WASHINGTON.
POLICY AND WHAT'S POLITICS IN WASHINGTON.
BUT INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE WASHINGTON.
BUT INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO BUT INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
BOTH THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
BOTH THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS ARE CLOCKING RECORD LOW LEVELS BOTH THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS ARE CLOCKING RECORD LOW LEVELS OF PUBLIC APPROVAL OF THEIR ARE CLOCKING RECORD LOW LEVELS OF PUBLIC APPROVAL OF THEIR PERFORMANCE.
OF PUBLIC APPROVAL OF THEIR PERFORMANCE.
AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HEALTH PERFORMANCE.
AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HEALTH CARE.
AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HEALTH CARE.
IT'S ABOUT SYRIA AND ABOUT CARE.
IT'S ABOUT SYRIA AND ABOUT SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT IT'S ABOUT SYRIA AND ABOUT SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT AND THE GENERAL IDEA THAT NO SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT AND THE GENERAL IDEA THAT NO ONE HERE IS WORRIED ABOUT THEM.
AND THE GENERAL IDEA THAT NO ONE HERE IS WORRIED ABOUT THEM.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
ONE HERE IS WORRIED ABOUT THEM.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
HEALTH CARE REFORM, IF IT EVER BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
HEALTH CARE REFORM, IF IT EVER WORKS PROPERLY, COULD BE THE HEALTH CARE REFORM, IF IT EVER WORKS PROPERLY, COULD BE THE BIGGEST FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WORKS PROPERLY, COULD BE THE BIGGEST FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EXPANSION IN DECADES.
BIGGEST FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EXPANSION IN DECADES.
AND THEREIN LIES THE PARTISAN EXPANSION IN DECADES.
AND THEREIN LIES THE PARTISAN RUB.
AND THEREIN LIES THE PARTISAN RUB.
DOYLE.
RUB.
DOYLE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
DOYLE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
A LOT OF THINGS WE'VE BEEN >> THAT'S RIGHT.
A LOT OF THINGS WE'VE BEEN SEEING ALL YEAR LONG AND NOT A LOT OF THINGS WE'VE BEEN SEEING ALL YEAR LONG AND NOT JUST THIS YEAR IS WHEN THINGS SEEING ALL YEAR LONG AND NOT JUST THIS YEAR IS WHEN THINGS ARE GOING BADLY IN WASHINGTON, JUST THIS YEAR IS WHEN THINGS ARE GOING BADLY IN WASHINGTON, EVERYBODY'S NUMBERS GO DOWN.
ARE GOING BADLY IN WASHINGTON, EVERYBODY'S NUMBERS GO DOWN.
REPUBLICANS' NUMBERS GO DOWN, EVERYBODY'S NUMBERS GO DOWN.
REPUBLICANS' NUMBERS GO DOWN, DEMOCRATS' NUMBERS GO DOWN.
REPUBLICANS' NUMBERS GO DOWN, DEMOCRATS' NUMBERS GO DOWN.
AND WE SEE POLLS ALL THE TIME DEMOCRATS' NUMBERS GO DOWN.
AND WE SEE POLLS ALL THE TIME BUT A POLL THIS WEEK, "WALL AND WE SEE POLLS ALL THE TIME BUT A POLL THIS WEEK, "WALL STREET JOURNAL," NBC, NUMBERS BUT A POLL THIS WEEK, "WALL STREET JOURNAL," NBC, NUMBERS ARE STRIKING ENOUGH THAT STREET JOURNAL," NBC, NUMBERS ARE STRIKING ENOUGH THAT THEY'RE WORTH GOING BACK TO FOR ARE STRIKING ENOUGH THAT THEY'RE WORTH GOING BACK TO FOR A MINUTE.
THEY'RE WORTH GOING BACK TO FOR A MINUTE.
PRESIDENT OBAMA HIT HIS LOWEST A MINUTE.
PRESIDENT OBAMA HIT HIS LOWEST JOB APPROVAL EVER IN THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HIT HIS LOWEST JOB APPROVAL EVER IN THAT PARTICULAR POLL.
JOB APPROVAL EVER IN THAT PARTICULAR POLL.
42%.
PARTICULAR POLL.
42%.
JOHN BOEHNER SPEAKER OF THE 42%.
JOHN BOEHNER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE 17% POSITIVE.
JOHN BOEHNER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE 17% POSITIVE.
NOT SO GOOD.
HOUSE 17% POSITIVE.
NOT SO GOOD.
REPUBLICAN PARTY, ANOTHER NOT SO GOOD.
REPUBLICAN PARTY, ANOTHER RECORD LOW.
REPUBLICAN PARTY, ANOTHER RECORD LOW.
22% POSITIVE.
RECORD LOW.
22% POSITIVE.
DEMOCRATS A LITTLE BETTER.
22% POSITIVE.
DEMOCRATS A LITTLE BETTER.
37%.
DEMOCRATS A LITTLE BETTER.
37%.
ISN'T ALL THAT GOOD MOST OF THE 37%.
ISN'T ALL THAT GOOD MOST OF THE TIME.
ISN'T ALL THAT GOOD MOST OF THE TIME.
CONGRESS, THREE QUARTERS OF THE TIME.
CONGRESS, THREE QUARTERS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THINK CONGRESS CONGRESS, THREE QUARTERS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THINK CONGRESS IS THE -- PART OF THE PROBLEM, AMERICAN PEOPLE THINK CONGRESS IS THE -- PART OF THE PROBLEM, NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION.
IS THE -- PART OF THE PROBLEM, NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION.
AND FINALLY, ONLY 29% SAY THEY NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION.
AND FINALLY, ONLY 29% SAY THEY WANT TO RE-ELECT THEIR OWN AND FINALLY, ONLY 29% SAY THEY WANT TO RE-ELECT THEIR OWN CONGRESSMEN.
WANT TO RE-ELECT THEIR OWN CONGRESSMEN.
ABOUT TWO THIRDS SAY THROW THE CONGRESSMEN.
ABOUT TWO THIRDS SAY THROW THE BUM OUT.
ABOUT TWO THIRDS SAY THROW THE BUM OUT.
AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR BUM OUT.
AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR OWN CONGRESSMAN.
AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THEIR OWN CONGRESSMAN.
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?
OWN CONGRESSMAN.
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?
WE FINALLY FOUND SOMETHING THAT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?
WE FINALLY FOUND SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IN AMERICA AGREES ON.
WE FINALLY FOUND SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IN AMERICA AGREES ON.
AND THAT IS THIS THING ISN'T EVERYBODY IN AMERICA AGREES ON.
AND THAT IS THIS THING ISN'T WORKING ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND THAT IS THIS THING ISN'T WORKING ACROSS THE BOARD.
GWEN: AND SITTING AT THIS TABLE WORKING ACROSS THE BOARD.
GWEN: AND SITTING AT THIS TABLE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THE GWEN: AND SITTING AT THIS TABLE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THE PRESIDENT IS RIDING HIGH.
A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO THE PRESIDENT IS RIDING HIGH.
THE REPUBLICANS HAVE PRESIDENT IS RIDING HIGH.
THE REPUBLICANS HAVE EMBARRASSED THEMSELVES.
THE REPUBLICANS HAVE EMBARRASSED THEMSELVES.
AND NOW THAT DIDN'T LAST.
EMBARRASSED THEMSELVES.
AND NOW THAT DIDN'T LAST.
>> THAT WAS JUST TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND NOW THAT DIDN'T LAST.
>> THAT WAS JUST TWO WEEKS AGO.
THE LESSON HERE IS THAT WHEN >> THAT WAS JUST TWO WEEKS AGO.
THE LESSON HERE IS THAT WHEN THERE'S A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN THE LESSON HERE IS THAT WHEN THERE'S A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN AND THERE'S A MESS, IT DOES THERE'S A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN AND THERE'S A MESS, IT DOES DRAG EVERYBODY DOWN.
AND THERE'S A MESS, IT DOES DRAG EVERYBODY DOWN.
AND THEN YOU GOT TO GO BACK TO DRAG EVERYBODY DOWN.
AND THEN YOU GOT TO GO BACK TO THE FUNDAMENTALS.
AND THEN YOU GOT TO GO BACK TO THE FUNDAMENTALS.
IS THE ECONOMY WORKING?
THE FUNDAMENTALS.
IS THE ECONOMY WORKING?
ARE JOBS BEING CREATED?
IS THE ECONOMY WORKING?
ARE JOBS BEING CREATED?
AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
ARE JOBS BEING CREATED?
AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
AND PEOPLE ARE STILL ANGRY AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
AND PEOPLE ARE STILL ANGRY ABOUT THAT.
AND PEOPLE ARE STILL ANGRY ABOUT THAT.
BUT WHERE ALL OF THESE ISSUES ABOUT THAT.
BUT WHERE ALL OF THESE ISSUES GET TIED TOGETHER IS I THINK BUT WHERE ALL OF THESE ISSUES GET TIED TOGETHER IS I THINK THAT MOST WONDERFUL QUESTION IS GET TIED TOGETHER IS I THINK THAT MOST WONDERFUL QUESTION IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PART OF THAT MOST WONDERFUL QUESTION IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PART OF THE PROBLEM OR PART OF THE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PART OF THE PROBLEM OR PART OF THE SOLUTION?
THE PROBLEM OR PART OF THE SOLUTION?
PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT SOLUTION?
PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT WASHINGTON, AND THEY'RE SEEING PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT WASHINGTON, AND THEY'RE SEEING A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.
WASHINGTON, AND THEY'RE SEEING A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.
A PROBLEM FOR THE ECONOMY, A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.
A PROBLEM FOR THE ECONOMY, DRAGS CONSUMER CONFIDENCE DOWN, A PROBLEM FOR THE ECONOMY, DRAGS CONSUMER CONFIDENCE DOWN, SLOWS THE ECONOMY.
DRAGS CONSUMER CONFIDENCE DOWN, SLOWS THE ECONOMY.
GOVERNMENT CREATED THE PROBLEM, SLOWS THE ECONOMY.
GOVERNMENT CREATED THE PROBLEM, RIGHT?
GOVERNMENT CREATED THE PROBLEM, RIGHT?
HEALTH CARE WEBSITE.
RIGHT?
HEALTH CARE WEBSITE.
WHO CREATED THAT PROBLEM?
HEALTH CARE WEBSITE.
WHO CREATED THAT PROBLEM?
N.S.A.
'S SPYING.
WHO CREATED THAT PROBLEM?
N.S.A.
'S SPYING.
WHO CREATED THAT PROBLEM?
N.S.A.
'S SPYING.
WHO CREATED THAT PROBLEM?
SO THESE ARE ALL PROBLEMS THAT WHO CREATED THAT PROBLEM?
SO THESE ARE ALL PROBLEMS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SEEMS TO SO THESE ARE ALL PROBLEMS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SEEMS TO BE CREATING AND NOT SOLVING.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SEEMS TO BE CREATING AND NOT SOLVING.
AND THAT IS WHAT'S PULLING BE CREATING AND NOT SOLVING.
AND THAT IS WHAT'S PULLING EVERYBODY DOWN.
AND THAT IS WHAT'S PULLING EVERYBODY DOWN.
>> DOYLE, IF WE COULD REWIND EVERYBODY DOWN.
>> DOYLE, IF WE COULD REWIND YOU A BIT HERE.
>> DOYLE, IF WE COULD REWIND YOU A BIT HERE.
YOU SAID THE LESSON HERE IS YOU A BIT HERE.
YOU SAID THE LESSON HERE IS THAT IF THE GOVERNMENT SHUTS YOU SAID THE LESSON HERE IS THAT IF THE GOVERNMENT SHUTS DOWN, EVERYBODY'S NUMBERS GO THAT IF THE GOVERNMENT SHUTS DOWN, EVERYBODY'S NUMBERS GO DOWN.
DOWN, EVERYBODY'S NUMBERS GO DOWN.
WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS DOWN.
WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS HAPPENING AGAIN IN THE NEXT WE HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS HAPPENING AGAIN IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
HAPPENING AGAIN IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
DID THEY LEARN THIS LESSON?
COUPLE OF MONTHS.
DID THEY LEARN THIS LESSON?
DO THESE POLL NUMBERS MAKE ANY DID THEY LEARN THIS LESSON?
DO THESE POLL NUMBERS MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE?
DO THESE POLL NUMBERS MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE?
>> I THINK -- CERTAINLY THE DIFFERENCE?
>> I THINK -- CERTAINLY THE LEADERSHIP OF CONGRESS AND -- >> I THINK -- CERTAINLY THE LEADERSHIP OF CONGRESS AND -- LET'S BE PRECISE.
LEADERSHIP OF CONGRESS AND -- LET'S BE PRECISE.
IT'S THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS LET'S BE PRECISE.
IT'S THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, I THINK A LOT OF HOUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YEAH, I THINK A LOT OF HOUSE REPUBLICANS DID LEARN A LESSON.
YEAH, I THINK A LOT OF HOUSE REPUBLICANS DID LEARN A LESSON.
BUT ONE REMARKABLE THING IS THE REPUBLICANS DID LEARN A LESSON.
BUT ONE REMARKABLE THING IS THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, ABOUT HALF THE BUT ONE REMARKABLE THING IS THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, ABOUT HALF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC STILL THINKS AMERICAN PUBLIC, ABOUT HALF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC STILL THINKS THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER AMERICAN PUBLIC STILL THINKS THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN EVEN THOUGH THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN EVEN THOUGH MOST OF THE MONEY IN WASHINGTON GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN EVEN THOUGH MOST OF THE MONEY IN WASHINGTON WOULD BE AGAINST ONE AND THAT'S MOST OF THE MONEY IN WASHINGTON WOULD BE AGAINST ONE AND THAT'S STILL HAVING A DRAG EFFECT ON WOULD BE AGAINST ONE AND THAT'S STILL HAVING A DRAG EFFECT ON THE ECONOMY.
STILL HAVING A DRAG EFFECT ON THE ECONOMY.
SO THE SHADOW OF THE GOVERNMENT THE ECONOMY.
SO THE SHADOW OF THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN IS STILL OVER US.
SO THE SHADOW OF THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN IS STILL OVER US.
>> WHY DO YOU THINK THE SHUTDOWN IS STILL OVER US.
>> WHY DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT'S NUMBERS ARE DOWN?
>> WHY DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT'S NUMBERS ARE DOWN?
WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S NUMBERS ARE DOWN?
WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT THE PERCEPTION OF HIS LEADERSHIP, WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT THE PERCEPTION OF HIS LEADERSHIP, HIS STYLE, HIS DECISION MAKING?
PERCEPTION OF HIS LEADERSHIP, HIS STYLE, HIS DECISION MAKING?
GWEN: COMPETENCE.
HIS STYLE, HIS DECISION MAKING?
GWEN: COMPETENCE.
>> YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE GWEN: COMPETENCE.
>> YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ECONOMY.
>> YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE ECONOMY.
IF THE ECONOMY IS LOUSY AND NOT ECONOMY.
IF THE ECONOMY IS LOUSY AND NOT PICKING UP, IT'S THE IF THE ECONOMY IS LOUSY AND NOT PICKING UP, IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S FAULT.
PICKING UP, IT'S THE PRESIDENT'S FAULT.
IF THERE'S A GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT'S FAULT.
IF THERE'S A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, EVEN THOUGH MORE IF THERE'S A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, EVEN THOUGH MORE PEOPLE BLAME THE REPUBLICANS SHUTDOWN, EVEN THOUGH MORE PEOPLE BLAME THE REPUBLICANS THAN THE DEMOCRATS THE PEOPLE BLAME THE REPUBLICANS THAN THE DEMOCRATS THE PRESIDENT SHOULD HAVE FIXED THAN THE DEMOCRATS THE PRESIDENT SHOULD HAVE FIXED THAT.
PRESIDENT SHOULD HAVE FIXED THAT.
AND THESE OTHER ISSUES HASN'T THAT.
AND THESE OTHER ISSUES HASN'T HELPED.
AND THESE OTHER ISSUES HASN'T HELPED.
HE HASN'T FOUND A WAY TO HELP HELPED.
HE HASN'T FOUND A WAY TO HELP THE PICTURE.
HE HASN'T FOUND A WAY TO HELP THE PICTURE.
THAT'S WHERE HEALTH CARE IS SO THE PICTURE.
THAT'S WHERE HEALTH CARE IS SO IMPORTANT.
THAT'S WHERE HEALTH CARE IS SO IMPORTANT.
HE HAS STAKED SO MUCH ON THAT.
IMPORTANT.
HE HAS STAKED SO MUCH ON THAT.
THAT'S A CORE QUESTION OF HE HAS STAKED SO MUCH ON THAT.
THAT'S A CORE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT'S A CORE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN MANAGE SOMETHING AS WHETHER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN MANAGE SOMETHING AS COMPLICATED AS THIS.
CAN MANAGE SOMETHING AS COMPLICATED AS THIS.
MOST AMERICANS DON'T THINK THE COMPLICATED AS THIS.
MOST AMERICANS DON'T THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN MANAGE MOST AMERICANS DON'T THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN MANAGE SOMETHING THAT COMPLICATED.
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN MANAGE SOMETHING THAT COMPLICATED.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, IN THE SOMETHING THAT COMPLICATED.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, IN THE CASE OF STATE EXCHANGES, THE INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, IN THE CASE OF STATE EXCHANGES, THE PICTURE IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE CASE OF STATE EXCHANGES, THE PICTURE IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE IN PICTURE IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE IN STATE GOVERNMENT.
PEOPLE HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE IN STATE GOVERNMENT.
THEY SEE THE STATE GOVERNMENT STATE GOVERNMENT.
THEY SEE THE STATE GOVERNMENT DOING THINGS.
THEY SEE THE STATE GOVERNMENT DOING THINGS.
THEY'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT DOING THINGS.
THEY'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT AND CLOSER TO THE GROUND.
THEY'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT AND CLOSER TO THE GROUND.
>> AND THEIR COMPUTER SYSTEMS AND CLOSER TO THE GROUND.
>> AND THEIR COMPUTER SYSTEMS ARE WORKING.
>> AND THEIR COMPUTER SYSTEMS ARE WORKING.
>> THEIR COMPUTER SYSTEMS ARE ARE WORKING.
>> THEIR COMPUTER SYSTEMS ARE WORKING.
>> THEIR COMPUTER SYSTEMS ARE WORKING.
BUT WHAT THIS -- WHERE THE WORKING.
BUT WHAT THIS -- WHERE THE HEALTH CARE EPISODE HAS PLAYED BUT WHAT THIS -- WHERE THE HEALTH CARE EPISODE HAS PLAYED INTO THIS IS IT'S REINFORCED IN HEALTH CARE EPISODE HAS PLAYED INTO THIS IS IT'S REINFORCED IN A REAL VIVID WAY THAT BASIC INTO THIS IS IT'S REINFORCED IN A REAL VIVID WAY THAT BASIC FEELING ON THE PART OF THE A REAL VIVID WAY THAT BASIC FEELING ON THE PART OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT THE FEELING ON THE PART OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IN AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IN PARTICULAR PRESIDENT OBAMA'S FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND IN PARTICULAR PRESIDENT OBAMA'S FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN'T PARTICULAR PRESIDENT OBAMA'S FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN'T ACTUALLY MAKE THE TRAINS RUN ON FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN'T ACTUALLY MAKE THE TRAINS RUN ON TIME.
ACTUALLY MAKE THE TRAINS RUN ON TIME.
>> REALLY QUICKLY, THE TIME.
>> REALLY QUICKLY, THE AFFORDABLE CARRY ACT, MORE >> REALLY QUICKLY, THE AFFORDABLE CARRY ACT, MORE POPULAR, LESS POPULAR IN ALL AFFORDABLE CARRY ACT, MORE POPULAR, LESS POPULAR IN ALL THIS HUBBUB?
POPULAR, LESS POPULAR IN ALL THIS HUBBUB?
>> AMAZING THING.
THIS HUBBUB?
>> AMAZING THING.
FLAT LINE.
>> AMAZING THING.
FLAT LINE.
SAME LEVEL OF POPULARITY.
FLAT LINE.
SAME LEVEL OF POPULARITY.
ACTUALLY, THE AFFORDABLE CARE SAME LEVEL OF POPULARITY.
ACTUALLY, THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, OBAMACARE, WAS ALREADY ACTUALLY, THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, OBAMACARE, WAS ALREADY UNPOPULAR IN GENERAL.
ACT, OBAMACARE, WAS ALREADY UNPOPULAR IN GENERAL.
A PLURALITY DOESN'T LIKE IT UNPOPULAR IN GENERAL.
A PLURALITY DOESN'T LIKE IT OVER THOSE WHO DO LIKE IT.
A PLURALITY DOESN'T LIKE IT OVER THOSE WHO DO LIKE IT.
YOU CAN GET INTO THE DETAILS OVER THOSE WHO DO LIKE IT.
YOU CAN GET INTO THE DETAILS THERE AND SEE WHO WAS THERE.
YOU CAN GET INTO THE DETAILS THERE AND SEE WHO WAS THERE.
THAT REALLY HASN'T CHANGED A THERE AND SEE WHO WAS THERE.
THAT REALLY HASN'T CHANGED A WHOLE LOT.
THAT REALLY HASN'T CHANGED A WHOLE LOT.
BUT THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE ON WHOLE LOT.
BUT THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE ON SOMETHING AS GNARLY AS THIS IT BUT THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE ON SOMETHING AS GNARLY AS THIS IT TAKES THE PUBLIC A WHILE TO SOMETHING AS GNARLY AS THIS IT TAKES THE PUBLIC A WHILE TO CHANGE ITS VIEWS.
TAKES THE PUBLIC A WHILE TO CHANGE ITS VIEWS.
GWEN: AND MAYBE IT TAKES -- CHANGE ITS VIEWS.
GWEN: AND MAYBE IT TAKES -- PUTS THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE GWEN: AND MAYBE IT TAKES -- PUTS THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO PROVE WHY PUTS THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO PROVE WHY FEDERALISM IS A GOOD THING AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO PROVE WHY FEDERALISM IS A GOOD THING AND OT JUST -- THAT'S WHERE WE FEDERALISM IS A GOOD THING AND OT JUST -- THAT'S WHERE WE LEAVE YOU TONIGHT.
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