>>> COMING UP, AS >>> COMING UP, AS RELIGION-RELATED VIOLENCE >>> COMING UP, AS RELIGION-RELATED VIOLENCE DOMINATES MUCH OF THE NEWS, FRED RELIGION-RELATED VIOLENCE DOMINATES MUCH OF THE NEWS, FRED DE SAM LAZARO REPORTS ON SOME OF DOMINATES MUCH OF THE NEWS, FRED DE SAM LAZARO REPORTS ON SOME OF THE REASONS FOR LAST WEEK'S DE SAM LAZARO REPORTS ON SOME OF THE REASONS FOR LAST WEEK'S DEADLY ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS IN THE REASONS FOR LAST WEEK'S DEADLY ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS IN PAKISTAN.
DEADLY ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS IN PAKISTAN.
>>> ALSO, WITH SIGNING UP FOR PAKISTAN.
>>> ALSO, WITH SIGNING UP FOR OBAMACARE SCHEDULED TO BEGIN ON >>> ALSO, WITH SIGNING UP FOR OBAMACARE SCHEDULED TO BEGIN ON TUESDAY, SAUL GONZALES SURVEYS OBAMACARE SCHEDULED TO BEGIN ON TUESDAY, SAUL GONZALES SURVEYS THE MASSIVE, MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR TUESDAY, SAUL GONZALES SURVEYS THE MASSIVE, MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR CAMPAIGNS FOR AND AGAINST IT, THE MASSIVE, MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR CAMPAIGNS FOR AND AGAINST IT, WITH RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ON BOTH CAMPAIGNS FOR AND AGAINST IT, WITH RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ON BOTH SMPANY.
WITH RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ON BOTH SMPANY.
>>> WELCOME.
SMPANY.
>>> WELCOME.
I'M BOB ABERNETHY.
>>> WELCOME.
I'M BOB ABERNETHY.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.
I'M BOB ABERNETHY.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.
AS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS DEBATED IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.
AS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS DEBATED MEASURES TO AVOID A GOVERNMENT AS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS DEBATED MEASURES TO AVOID A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, RELIGIOUS GROUPS URGED MEASURES TO AVOID A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, RELIGIOUS GROUPS URGED THEM TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF SHUTDOWN, RELIGIOUS GROUPS URGED THEM TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF THEIR POLICIES ON THE POOR AND THEM TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF THEIR POLICIES ON THE POOR AND VULNERABLE.
THEIR POLICIES ON THE POOR AND VULNERABLE.
SEVERAL FAITH LEADERS SAID THE VULNERABLE.
SEVERAL FAITH LEADERS SAID THE GOVERNMENT HAS AN OBLIGATION TO SEVERAL FAITH LEADERS SAID THE GOVERNMENT HAS AN OBLIGATION TO AMERICANS WHO DEPEND ON FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS AN OBLIGATION TO AMERICANS WHO DEPEND ON FEDERAL BENEFITS AND AID PROGRAMS.
AMERICANS WHO DEPEND ON FEDERAL BENEFITS AND AID PROGRAMS.
MEANWHILE, SOME RELIGIOUS BENEFITS AND AID PROGRAMS.
MEANWHILE, SOME RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES SUPPORTED MASSIVE MEANWHILE, SOME RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES SUPPORTED MASSIVE BUDGET CUTS AS A STEP TOWARD CONSERVATIVES SUPPORTED MASSIVE BUDGET CUTS AS A STEP TOWARD MORE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
BUDGET CUTS AS A STEP TOWARD MORE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
>>> THERE WAS WIDESPREAD MORE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
>>> THERE WAS WIDESPREAD INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION THIS >>> THERE WAS WIDESPREAD INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION THIS WEEK OF THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR A INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION THIS WEEK OF THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR A WAVE OF RELIGION-RELATED WEEK OF THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR A WAVE OF RELIGION-RELATED VIOLENCE.
WAVE OF RELIGION-RELATED VIOLENCE.
FAITH GROUPS AROUND THE WORLD VIOLENCE.
FAITH GROUPS AROUND THE WORLD OFFERED SPECIAL PRAYERS AND FAITH GROUPS AROUND THE WORLD OFFERED SPECIAL PRAYERS AND CONDOLENCES AFTER A SUICIDE OFFERED SPECIAL PRAYERS AND CONDOLENCES AFTER A SUICIDE BOMBING AT THE HISTORIC ALL CONDOLENCES AFTER A SUICIDE BOMBING AT THE HISTORIC ALL SAINTS ANGLICAN CHURCH IN BOMBING AT THE HISTORIC ALL SAINTS ANGLICAN CHURCH IN PAKISTAN WHICH LEFT NEARLY SAINTS ANGLICAN CHURCH IN PAKISTAN WHICH LEFT NEARLY 90 PEOPLE DEAD.
PAKISTAN WHICH LEFT NEARLY 90 PEOPLE DEAD.
IT WAS THE WORST ATTACK EVER 90 PEOPLE DEAD.
IT WAS THE WORST ATTACK EVER AGAINST THAT COUNTRY'S CHRISTIAN IT WAS THE WORST ATTACK EVER AGAINST THAT COUNTRY'S CHRISTIAN MINORITY.
AGAINST THAT COUNTRY'S CHRISTIAN MINORITY.
POPE FRANCIS CALLED THE BOMBING MINORITY.
POPE FRANCIS CALLED THE BOMBING "A DECISION OF HATRED, OF WAR."
POPE FRANCIS CALLED THE BOMBING "A DECISION OF HATRED, OF WAR."
WE'LL HAVE MORE ON "A DECISION OF HATRED, OF WAR."
WE'LL HAVE MORE ON RELIGION-RELATED VIOLENCE COMING WE'LL HAVE MORE ON RELIGION-RELATED VIOLENCE COMING UP.
RELIGION-RELATED VIOLENCE COMING UP.
>>> MUSLIM, CHRISTIAN, AND UP.
>>> MUSLIM, CHRISTIAN, AND JEWISH LEADERS ALSO WERE AMONG >>> MUSLIM, CHRISTIAN, AND JEWISH LEADERS ALSO WERE AMONG THOSE DENOUNCING THIS WEEK'S JEWISH LEADERS ALSO WERE AMONG THOSE DENOUNCING THIS WEEK'S DEADLY ATTACK ON A SHOPPING MALL THOSE DENOUNCING THIS WEEK'S DEADLY ATTACK ON A SHOPPING MALL IN KENYA.
DEADLY ATTACK ON A SHOPPING MALL IN KENYA.
LEADERS OF THE EXTREMIST GROUP IN KENYA.
LEADERS OF THE EXTREMIST GROUP AL SHABAAB SAID THEY WANTED TO LEADERS OF THE EXTREMIST GROUP AL SHABAAB SAID THEY WANTED TO TARGET NON-MUSLIMS IN THEIR AL SHABAAB SAID THEY WANTED TO TARGET NON-MUSLIMS IN THEIR OPERATION AND SO TRIED TO TARGET NON-MUSLIMS IN THEIR OPERATION AND SO TRIED TO SEPARATE HOSTAGES BASED ON THEIR OPERATION AND SO TRIED TO SEPARATE HOSTAGES BASED ON THEIR RELIGION.
SEPARATE HOSTAGES BASED ON THEIR RELIGION.
AMERICAN MUSLIMS SAID THOSE RELIGION.
AMERICAN MUSLIMS SAID THOSE ACTIONS VIOLATED THE TENETS OF AMERICAN MUSLIMS SAID THOSE ACTIONS VIOLATED THE TENETS OF ISLAM.
ACTIONS VIOLATED THE TENETS OF ISLAM.
THEY ALSO CRITICIZED AL ISLAM.
THEY ALSO CRITICIZED AL SHABAAB'S EFFORTS TO RECRUIT THEY ALSO CRITICIZED AL SHABAAB'S EFFORTS TO RECRUIT MEMBERS FROM THE U.S. SHABAAB'S EFFORTS TO RECRUIT MEMBERS FROM THE U.S. >>> THERE WAS ALSO RENEWED MEMBERS FROM THE U.S. >>> THERE WAS ALSO RENEWED CONCERN ABOUT THE SURGE OF >>> THERE WAS ALSO RENEWED CONCERN ABOUT THE SURGE OF SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN IRAQ CONCERN ABOUT THE SURGE OF SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN IRAQ BETWEEN SUNNIS AND SHIITES.
SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN IRAQ BETWEEN SUNNIS AND SHIITES.
DOZENS OF PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN BETWEEN SUNNIS AND SHIITES.
DOZENS OF PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN MULTIPLE SUICIDE BOMB BLASTS DOZENS OF PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN MULTIPLE SUICIDE BOMB BLASTS THIS WEEK, INCLUDING ONE AT A MULTIPLE SUICIDE BOMB BLASTS THIS WEEK, INCLUDING ONE AT A SHIITE FUNERAL.
THIS WEEK, INCLUDING ONE AT A SHIITE FUNERAL.
ACCORDING TO HUMAN RIGHTS SHIITE FUNERAL.
ACCORDING TO HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS, MORE THAN 4,000 IRAQIS ACCORDING TO HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS, MORE THAN 4,000 IRAQIS HAVE BEEN KILLED IN RECENT GROUPS, MORE THAN 4,000 IRAQIS HAVE BEEN KILLED IN RECENT MONTHS IN THE ESCALATING HAVE BEEN KILLED IN RECENT MONTHS IN THE ESCALATING VIOLENCE.
MONTHS IN THE ESCALATING VIOLENCE.
>>> THIS WEEK, IRANIAN-AMERICAN VIOLENCE.
>>> THIS WEEK, IRANIAN-AMERICAN PASTOR SAEED ABEDINI MARKED ONE >>> THIS WEEK, IRANIAN-AMERICAN PASTOR SAEED ABEDINI MARKED ONE YEAR IN PRISON IN IRAN.
PASTOR SAEED ABEDINI MARKED ONE YEAR IN PRISON IN IRAN.
ABEDINI WAS ARRESTED AFTER HE YEAR IN PRISON IN IRAN.
ABEDINI WAS ARRESTED AFTER HE TRAVELED THERE TO HELP ESTABLISH ABEDINI WAS ARRESTED AFTER HE TRAVELED THERE TO HELP ESTABLISH ORPHANAGES AND A NETWORK OF TRAVELED THERE TO HELP ESTABLISH ORPHANAGES AND A NETWORK OF HOUSE CHURCHES.
ORPHANAGES AND A NETWORK OF HOUSE CHURCHES.
HE WAS CONVICTED OF UNDERMINING HOUSE CHURCHES.
HE WAS CONVICTED OF UNDERMINING IRAN'S SECURITY AND SENTENCED TO HE WAS CONVICTED OF UNDERMINING IRAN'S SECURITY AND SENTENCED TO EIGHT YEARS IN PRISON.
IRAN'S SECURITY AND SENTENCED TO EIGHT YEARS IN PRISON.
HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS AND EIGHT YEARS IN PRISON.
HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS AND RELIGIOUS LEADERS RENEWED CALLS HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS AND RELIGIOUS LEADERS RENEWED CALLS FOR HIS RELEASE.
RELIGIOUS LEADERS RENEWED CALLS FOR HIS RELEASE.
AS NEW IRANIAN PRESIDENT FOR HIS RELEASE.
AS NEW IRANIAN PRESIDENT HASSAN ROUHANI TRAVELED TO THE AS NEW IRANIAN PRESIDENT HASSAN ROUHANI TRAVELED TO THE U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN NEW HASSAN ROUHANI TRAVELED TO THE U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN NEW YORK, EVANGELIST BILLY GRAHAM U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN NEW YORK, EVANGELIST BILLY GRAHAM ISSUED AN OPEN LETTER ALSO YORK, EVANGELIST BILLY GRAHAM ISSUED AN OPEN LETTER ALSO APPEALING FOR ABEDINI'S RELEASE.
ISSUED AN OPEN LETTER ALSO APPEALING FOR ABEDINI'S RELEASE.
>>> PRESIDENT OBAMA ALSO APPEALING FOR ABEDINI'S RELEASE.
>>> PRESIDENT OBAMA ALSO ATTENDED THE U.N. GENERAL >>> PRESIDENT OBAMA ALSO ATTENDED THE U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND PLEDGED ONGOING ATTENDED THE U.N. GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND PLEDGED ONGOING U.S. SUPPORT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ASSEMBLY AND PLEDGED ONGOING U.S. SUPPORT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND DEMOCRACY AROUND THE WORLD.
U.S. SUPPORT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS AND DEMOCRACY AROUND THE WORLD.
HE CITED A LIST OF CHALLENGES AND DEMOCRACY AROUND THE WORLD.
HE CITED A LIST OF CHALLENGES FACING THE INTERNATIONAL HE CITED A LIST OF CHALLENGES FACING THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY, AND NOTED THE U.S. IS FACING THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY, AND NOTED THE U.S. IS CRITICIZED FOR GETTING INVOLVED COMMUNITY, AND NOTED THE U.S. IS CRITICIZED FOR GETTING INVOLVED WITH THOSE CHALLENGES, BUT ALSO CRITICIZED FOR GETTING INVOLVED WITH THOSE CHALLENGES, BUT ALSO FOR NOT INTERVENING.
WITH THOSE CHALLENGES, BUT ALSO FOR NOT INTERVENING.
THE PRESIDENT SAID HE BELIEVES FOR NOT INTERVENING.
THE PRESIDENT SAID HE BELIEVES THE U.S. HAS AN OBLIGATION TO THE PRESIDENT SAID HE BELIEVES THE U.S. HAS AN OBLIGATION TO PLAY A STRONG INTERNATIONAL THE U.S. HAS AN OBLIGATION TO PLAY A STRONG INTERNATIONAL ROLE.
PLAY A STRONG INTERNATIONAL ROLE.
>> SOME MAY DISAGREE, BUT I ROLE.
>> SOME MAY DISAGREE, BUT I BELIEVE AMERICA IS EXCEPTIONAL >> SOME MAY DISAGREE, BUT I BELIEVE AMERICA IS EXCEPTIONAL IN PART BECAUSE WE HAVE SHOWN A BELIEVE AMERICA IS EXCEPTIONAL IN PART BECAUSE WE HAVE SHOWN A WILLINGNESS THROUGH THE IN PART BECAUSE WE HAVE SHOWN A WILLINGNESS THROUGH THE SACRIFICE OF BLOOD AND TREASURE WILLINGNESS THROUGH THE SACRIFICE OF BLOOD AND TREASURE TO STAND UP NOT ONLY FOR OUR OWN SACRIFICE OF BLOOD AND TREASURE TO STAND UP NOT ONLY FOR OUR OWN NARROW SELF-INTERESTS, BUT FOR TO STAND UP NOT ONLY FOR OUR OWN NARROW SELF-INTERESTS, BUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF ALL.
NARROW SELF-INTERESTS, BUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF ALL.
>>> WE HAVE A SPECIAL REPORT NOW THE INTERESTS OF ALL.
>>> WE HAVE A SPECIAL REPORT NOW FROM FRED DE SAM LAZARO ON THE >>> WE HAVE A SPECIAL REPORT NOW FROM FRED DE SAM LAZARO ON THE HISTORY BEHIND LAST WEEK'S FROM FRED DE SAM LAZARO ON THE HISTORY BEHIND LAST WEEK'S ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS IN HISTORY BEHIND LAST WEEK'S ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS IN PAKISTAN.
ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS IN PAKISTAN.
WHEN THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT WAS PAKISTAN.
WHEN THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT WAS DIVIDED AFTER WORLD WAR II, WHEN THE INDIAN SUBCONTINENT WAS DIVIDED AFTER WORLD WAR II, INDIA FOR HINDUS, PAKISTAN FOR DIVIDED AFTER WORLD WAR II, INDIA FOR HINDUS, PAKISTAN FOR MUSLIMS, RELIGIOUS MINORITIES INDIA FOR HINDUS, PAKISTAN FOR MUSLIMS, RELIGIOUS MINORITIES WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTED.
MUSLIMS, RELIGIOUS MINORITIES WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTED.
BUT IT HASN'T ALWAYS WORKED OUT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTED.
BUT IT HASN'T ALWAYS WORKED OUT THAT WAY.
BUT IT HASN'T ALWAYS WORKED OUT THAT WAY.
>> Reporter: MOST CHURCHES IN THAT WAY.
>> Reporter: MOST CHURCHES IN PAKISTAN, LIKE KARACHI'S TRINITY >> Reporter: MOST CHURCHES IN PAKISTAN, LIKE KARACHI'S TRINITY METHODIST, ARE THE LEGACY OF PAKISTAN, LIKE KARACHI'S TRINITY METHODIST, ARE THE LEGACY OF BRITISH COLONIAL RULE.
METHODIST, ARE THE LEGACY OF BRITISH COLONIAL RULE.
ST. PATRICK'S CATHEDRAL WAS BRITISH COLONIAL RULE.
ST. PATRICK'S CATHEDRAL WAS BUILT TO SERVE IRISH CATHOLIC ST. PATRICK'S CATHEDRAL WAS BUILT TO SERVE IRISH CATHOLIC SOLDIERS IN THE BRITISH ARMY.
BUILT TO SERVE IRISH CATHOLIC SOLDIERS IN THE BRITISH ARMY.
TODAY'S CHRISTIANS ARE LESS THAN SOLDIERS IN THE BRITISH ARMY.
TODAY'S CHRISTIANS ARE LESS THAN 2% OF PAKISTAN'S POPULATION.
TODAY'S CHRISTIANS ARE LESS THAN 2% OF PAKISTAN'S POPULATION.
MOST ARE DESCENDANTS OF PEOPLE 2% OF PAKISTAN'S POPULATION.
MOST ARE DESCENDANTS OF PEOPLE CONVERTED FROM HINDUISM OR ISLAM MOST ARE DESCENDANTS OF PEOPLE CONVERTED FROM HINDUISM OR ISLAM BY MISSIONARIES, GENERATIONS, IN CONVERTED FROM HINDUISM OR ISLAM BY MISSIONARIES, GENERATIONS, IN SOME CASES CENTURIES, AGO.
BY MISSIONARIES, GENERATIONS, IN SOME CASES CENTURIES, AGO.
THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES FULLY SOME CASES CENTURIES, AGO.
THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES FULLY PAKISTANI.
THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES FULLY PAKISTANI.
BUT OFTEN, CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP PAKISTANI.
BUT OFTEN, CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP JOSEPH COUTTS SAYS, THAT'S NOT BUT OFTEN, CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP JOSEPH COUTTS SAYS, THAT'S NOT HOW THEY'RE PERCEIVED.
JOSEPH COUTTS SAYS, THAT'S NOT HOW THEY'RE PERCEIVED.
>> BECAUSE OF OUR COLONIAL PAST HOW THEY'RE PERCEIVED.
>> BECAUSE OF OUR COLONIAL PAST CHRISTIANITY HAS BEEN, IS BEING >> BECAUSE OF OUR COLONIAL PAST CHRISTIANITY HAS BEEN, IS BEING IDENTIFIED WITH COLONIALISM.
CHRISTIANITY HAS BEEN, IS BEING IDENTIFIED WITH COLONIALISM.
>> Reporter: WITH THE WEST.
IDENTIFIED WITH COLONIALISM.
>> Reporter: WITH THE WEST.
>> WITH THE WEST IN GENERAL.
>> Reporter: WITH THE WEST.
>> WITH THE WEST IN GENERAL.
WE ARE SORT OF LINKED WITH BEING >> WITH THE WEST IN GENERAL.
WE ARE SORT OF LINKED WITH BEING PRODUCTS OF THE WEST.
WE ARE SORT OF LINKED WITH BEING PRODUCTS OF THE WEST.
>> Reporter: THAT HAS MADE PRODUCTS OF THE WEST.
>> Reporter: THAT HAS MADE CHRISTIANS TARGETS FOR ALL KINDS >> Reporter: THAT HAS MADE CHRISTIANS TARGETS FOR ALL KINDS OF GRIEVANCES AGAINST THE WEST, CHRISTIANS TARGETS FOR ALL KINDS OF GRIEVANCES AGAINST THE WEST, WHETHER A DRONE STRIKE IN THE OF GRIEVANCES AGAINST THE WEST, WHETHER A DRONE STRIKE IN THE REGION OR AN ANTI-ISLAMIC WHETHER A DRONE STRIKE IN THE REGION OR AN ANTI-ISLAMIC PRONOUNCEMENT IN FLORIDA.
REGION OR AN ANTI-ISLAMIC PRONOUNCEMENT IN FLORIDA.
>> I CAN GIVE YOU A VERY PRONOUNCEMENT IN FLORIDA.
>> I CAN GIVE YOU A VERY DRAMATIC EXAMPLE.
>> I CAN GIVE YOU A VERY DRAMATIC EXAMPLE.
WE HAD, I THINK ABOUT TWO YEARS DRAMATIC EXAMPLE.
WE HAD, I THINK ABOUT TWO YEARS BACK, A PASTOR, OR HE CLAIMED TO WE HAD, I THINK ABOUT TWO YEARS BACK, A PASTOR, OR HE CLAIMED TO BE A PASTOR, BUT IF HE WAS, I BACK, A PASTOR, OR HE CLAIMED TO BE A PASTOR, BUT IF HE WAS, I DON'T KNOW, TERRY JONES, AN BE A PASTOR, BUT IF HE WAS, I DON'T KNOW, TERRY JONES, AN AMERICAN PASTOR WHO WANTED TO DON'T KNOW, TERRY JONES, AN AMERICAN PASTOR WHO WANTED TO BURN THE HOLY KORAN, AND, OF AMERICAN PASTOR WHO WANTED TO BURN THE HOLY KORAN, AND, OF COURSE THERE WAS THE SORT OF A BURN THE HOLY KORAN, AND, OF COURSE THERE WAS THE SORT OF A BACKLASH ON THE CHRISTIANS, AND COURSE THERE WAS THE SORT OF A BACKLASH ON THE CHRISTIANS, AND WE HAD TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR BACKLASH ON THE CHRISTIANS, AND WE HAD TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE NOT TO BE IDENTIFIED WE HAD TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE NOT TO BE IDENTIFIED WITH THIS REVEREND TERRY JONES.
THAT WE ARE NOT TO BE IDENTIFIED WITH THIS REVEREND TERRY JONES.
>> Reporter: LAST WEEK'S SUICIDE WITH THIS REVEREND TERRY JONES.
>> Reporter: LAST WEEK'S SUICIDE BOMBING THAT KILLED AT LEAST >> Reporter: LAST WEEK'S SUICIDE BOMBING THAT KILLED AT LEAST 78 IN A PESHAWAR CHURCH COMPOUND BOMBING THAT KILLED AT LEAST 78 IN A PESHAWAR CHURCH COMPOUND WAS THE WORST EVER BUT NOT THE 78 IN A PESHAWAR CHURCH COMPOUND WAS THE WORST EVER BUT NOT THE FIRST ATTACK AGAINST CHRISTIANS WAS THE WORST EVER BUT NOT THE FIRST ATTACK AGAINST CHRISTIANS EVEN THIS YEAR.
FIRST ATTACK AGAINST CHRISTIANS EVEN THIS YEAR.
IN MARCH TWO CHURCHES AND EVEN THIS YEAR.
IN MARCH TWO CHURCHES AND 100 CHRISTIAN HOMES WERE IN MARCH TWO CHURCHES AND 100 CHRISTIAN HOMES WERE DESTROYED IN THE EASTERN CITY OF 100 CHRISTIAN HOMES WERE DESTROYED IN THE EASTERN CITY OF LAHORE.
DESTROYED IN THE EASTERN CITY OF LAHORE.
>> WE SEE AN INCREASING FORM OF LAHORE.
>> WE SEE AN INCREASING FORM OF ISLAM WHICH IS MUCH MORE >> WE SEE AN INCREASING FORM OF ISLAM WHICH IS MUCH MORE MILITANT, WHICH IS MUCH NARROWER ISLAM WHICH IS MUCH MORE MILITANT, WHICH IS MUCH NARROWER AND EVEN QUITE EXTREMIST.
MILITANT, WHICH IS MUCH NARROWER AND EVEN QUITE EXTREMIST.
EVEN ISLAMIC SECTS THAT ARE NOT AND EVEN QUITE EXTREMIST.
EVEN ISLAMIC SECTS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED ORTHODOX ARE ALSO EVEN ISLAMIC SECTS THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED ORTHODOX ARE ALSO BEING TARGETED, WHICH IS NOT THE CONSIDERED ORTHODOX ARE ALSO BEING TARGETED, WHICH IS NOT THE ISLAM OF THE MAJORITY, WHICH IS BEING TARGETED, WHICH IS NOT THE ISLAM OF THE MAJORITY, WHICH IS A VERY MODERATE, OPEN-MINDED ISLAM OF THE MAJORITY, WHICH IS A VERY MODERATE, OPEN-MINDED ISLAM.
A VERY MODERATE, OPEN-MINDED ISLAM.
>> Reporter: HE SAYS A MODERATE ISLAM.
>> Reporter: HE SAYS A MODERATE ISLAM SHAPED EARLY PAKISTAN, >> Reporter: HE SAYS A MODERATE ISLAM SHAPED EARLY PAKISTAN, CREATED IN 1947 BY THE DEPARTING ISLAM SHAPED EARLY PAKISTAN, CREATED IN 1947 BY THE DEPARTING BRITISH TO BE A HOME FOR CREATED IN 1947 BY THE DEPARTING BRITISH TO BE A HOME FOR MUSLIMS.
BRITISH TO BE A HOME FOR MUSLIMS.
BUT THAT MODERATION BEGAN TO MUSLIMS.
BUT THAT MODERATION BEGAN TO ERODE WITH GROWING BUT THAT MODERATION BEGAN TO ERODE WITH GROWING FUNDAMENTALISM.
ERODE WITH GROWING FUNDAMENTALISM.
CHRISTIANS, LONG SUBJECT TO FUNDAMENTALISM.
CHRISTIANS, LONG SUBJECT TO SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CHRISTIANS, LONG SUBJECT TO SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC DISCRIMINATION, BECAME SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC DISCRIMINATION, BECAME CONSTITUTIONALLY SECOND-CLASS.
DISCRIMINATION, BECAME CONSTITUTIONALLY SECOND-CLASS.
NON-MUSLIMS ARE INELIGIBLE TO BE CONSTITUTIONALLY SECOND-CLASS.
NON-MUSLIMS ARE INELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT OR PRIME MINISTER, FOR NON-MUSLIMS ARE INELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT OR PRIME MINISTER, FOR EXAMPLE.
PRESIDENT OR PRIME MINISTER, FOR EXAMPLE.
IN THE LATE '70s A MILITANT EXAMPLE.
IN THE LATE '70s A MILITANT RESISTANCE, TODAY'S TALIBAN, IN THE LATE '70s A MILITANT RESISTANCE, TODAY'S TALIBAN, GREW TO THE SOVIET OCCUPATION OF RESISTANCE, TODAY'S TALIBAN, GREW TO THE SOVIET OCCUPATION OF NEIGHBORING AFGHANISTAN, WITH GREW TO THE SOVIET OCCUPATION OF NEIGHBORING AFGHANISTAN, WITH STRONG U.S. SUPPORT, COUTTS NEIGHBORING AFGHANISTAN, WITH STRONG U.S. SUPPORT, COUTTS ADDS.
STRONG U.S. SUPPORT, COUTTS ADDS.
>> SO THE POLICY WAS "STOP THE ADDS.
>> SO THE POLICY WAS "STOP THE DARN COMMUNISTS, STOP THEM AT >> SO THE POLICY WAS "STOP THE DARN COMMUNISTS, STOP THEM AT ANY COST."
DARN COMMUNISTS, STOP THEM AT ANY COST."
AND THAT'S THE TIME THESE, THIS ANY COST."
AND THAT'S THE TIME THESE, THIS BRAND OF ISLAM WAS, THE AND THAT'S THE TIME THESE, THIS BRAND OF ISLAM WAS, THE MADRASAH, WHICH IS A BRAND OF ISLAM WAS, THE MADRASAH, WHICH IS A CENTURIES-OLD INSTITUTION IN MADRASAH, WHICH IS A CENTURIES-OLD INSTITUTION IN ISLAM TO TEACH THE KORAN.
CENTURIES-OLD INSTITUTION IN ISLAM TO TEACH THE KORAN.
MANY MADRASAHS BECAME SORT OF ISLAM TO TEACH THE KORAN.
MANY MADRASAHS BECAME SORT OF CENTERS FOR A RELIGIOUS KIND OF MANY MADRASAHS BECAME SORT OF CENTERS FOR A RELIGIOUS KIND OF BRAINWASHING FOR JIHAD.
CENTERS FOR A RELIGIOUS KIND OF BRAINWASHING FOR JIHAD.
AND WITH AMERICAN BLESSING AND BRAINWASHING FOR JIHAD.
AND WITH AMERICAN BLESSING AND SUPPORT AND TRAINING AND MONEY.
AND WITH AMERICAN BLESSING AND SUPPORT AND TRAINING AND MONEY.
OUR ECONOMY BECAME STRONG.
SUPPORT AND TRAINING AND MONEY.
OUR ECONOMY BECAME STRONG.
THE WORST MILITARY DICTATOR WE OUR ECONOMY BECAME STRONG.
THE WORST MILITARY DICTATOR WE HAD, ZIA-UL-HAQ, WAS KEPT IN THE WORST MILITARY DICTATOR WE HAD, ZIA-UL-HAQ, WAS KEPT IN POWER.
HAD, ZIA-UL-HAQ, WAS KEPT IN POWER.
>> Reporter: ZIA SUPPORTED THE POWER.
>> Reporter: ZIA SUPPORTED THE JIHADISTS AND ALSO IMPOSED A >> Reporter: ZIA SUPPORTED THE JIHADISTS AND ALSO IMPOSED A CONSERVATIVE INTERPRETATION OF JIHADISTS AND ALSO IMPOSED A CONSERVATIVE INTERPRETATION OF MUSLIM SHARIA LAW.
CONSERVATIVE INTERPRETATION OF MUSLIM SHARIA LAW.
MOST FRIGHTENING FOR MANY EVEN MUSLIM SHARIA LAW.
MOST FRIGHTENING FOR MANY EVEN TODAY IS A BLASPHEMY LAW.
MOST FRIGHTENING FOR MANY EVEN TODAY IS A BLASPHEMY LAW.
ANYONE ACCUSED IS SUBJECT TO TODAY IS A BLASPHEMY LAW.
ANYONE ACCUSED IS SUBJECT TO IMPRISONMENT WITHOUT BAIL AND AT ANYONE ACCUSED IS SUBJECT TO IMPRISONMENT WITHOUT BAIL AND AT LEAST ON PAPER FACES A DEATH IMPRISONMENT WITHOUT BAIL AND AT LEAST ON PAPER FACES A DEATH SENTENCE.
LEAST ON PAPER FACES A DEATH SENTENCE.
THIS LAW IS COMMONLY USED SENTENCE.
THIS LAW IS COMMONLY USED AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS, OFTEN TO THIS LAW IS COMMONLY USED AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS, OFTEN TO SETTLE PERSONAL GRUDGES OR AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS, OFTEN TO SETTLE PERSONAL GRUDGES OR BUSINESS DISPUTES, SAYS ROLAND SETTLE PERSONAL GRUDGES OR BUSINESS DISPUTES, SAYS ROLAND DE SOUZA, PARTNER IN A KARACHI BUSINESS DISPUTES, SAYS ROLAND DE SOUZA, PARTNER IN A KARACHI ENGINEERING FIRM.
DE SOUZA, PARTNER IN A KARACHI ENGINEERING FIRM.
>> SOMEBODY COMES AND ACCUSES ENGINEERING FIRM.
>> SOMEBODY COMES AND ACCUSES SOMEONE OF EITHER BURNING A PAGE >> SOMEBODY COMES AND ACCUSES SOMEONE OF EITHER BURNING A PAGE OF THE KORAN OR HAVING SAID SOMEONE OF EITHER BURNING A PAGE OF THE KORAN OR HAVING SAID SOMETHING AGAINST THE PROPHET OF OF THE KORAN OR HAVING SAID SOMETHING AGAINST THE PROPHET OF ISLAM, AND BEFORE ANYBODY CAN SOMETHING AGAINST THE PROPHET OF ISLAM, AND BEFORE ANYBODY CAN ACTUALLY BE ARRESTED UNDER THE ISLAM, AND BEFORE ANYBODY CAN ACTUALLY BE ARRESTED UNDER THE LAW, VIGILANTE JUSTICE TAKES ACTUALLY BE ARRESTED UNDER THE LAW, VIGILANTE JUSTICE TAKES OVER.
LAW, VIGILANTE JUSTICE TAKES OVER.
THE NEWS IS SPREAD IN THE OVER.
THE NEWS IS SPREAD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND MOST OF THESE THE NEWS IS SPREAD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND MOST OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE EITHER SLUMS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND MOST OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE EITHER SLUMS OR RURAL AREAS, AND PEOPLE COME NEIGHBORHOODS ARE EITHER SLUMS OR RURAL AREAS, AND PEOPLE COME OUT WANTING TO LYNCH THE OR RURAL AREAS, AND PEOPLE COME OUT WANTING TO LYNCH THE ACCUSED.
OUT WANTING TO LYNCH THE ACCUSED.
>> SINCE THE LATE '80s, SOME ACCUSED.
>> SINCE THE LATE '80s, SOME 250 BLASPHEMY CASES HAVE BEEN >> SINCE THE LATE '80s, SOME 250 BLASPHEMY CASES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT AND AN ESTIMATED 250 BLASPHEMY CASES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT AND AN ESTIMATED 52 PEOPLE LYNCHED OR KILLED BROUGHT AND AN ESTIMATED 52 PEOPLE LYNCHED OR KILLED AFTER BEING ACCUSED OF 52 PEOPLE LYNCHED OR KILLED AFTER BEING ACCUSED OF BLASPHEMY.
AFTER BEING ACCUSED OF BLASPHEMY.
>> WHY WOULD SOMEBODY BELIEVE ME BLASPHEMY.
>> WHY WOULD SOMEBODY BELIEVE ME IF I RAN OUT IN THE STREET AND >> WHY WOULD SOMEBODY BELIEVE ME IF I RAN OUT IN THE STREET AND SAID, YOU ARE BURNING PAGES OF IF I RAN OUT IN THE STREET AND SAID, YOU ARE BURNING PAGES OF THE KORAN OR DOING SOMETHING SAID, YOU ARE BURNING PAGES OF THE KORAN OR DOING SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS INSULTING OF YOUR THE KORAN OR DOING SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS INSULTING OF YOUR REGION?
ELSE THAT WAS INSULTING OF YOUR REGION?
>> I CAN SEE YOU COME FROM REGION?
>> I CAN SEE YOU COME FROM AMERICA.
>> I CAN SEE YOU COME FROM AMERICA.
JUST ON THE ROAD HERE, IF AMERICA.
JUST ON THE ROAD HERE, IF SOMEBODY STOOD IN THE MIDDLE AND JUST ON THE ROAD HERE, IF SOMEBODY STOOD IN THE MIDDLE AND SAID A MOSQUE HAS BEEN BURNED SOMEBODY STOOD IN THE MIDDLE AND SAID A MOSQUE HAS BEEN BURNED SOMEPLACE, WHETHER IT'S JORDAN SAID A MOSQUE HAS BEEN BURNED SOMEPLACE, WHETHER IT'S JORDAN OR SAUDI ARABIA, LET'S GO AND SOMEPLACE, WHETHER IT'S JORDAN OR SAUDI ARABIA, LET'S GO AND BURN ST. PATRICK'S CATHEDRAL, HE OR SAUDI ARABIA, LET'S GO AND BURN ST. PATRICK'S CATHEDRAL, HE COULD PROBABLY COLLECT 5,000 TO BURN ST. PATRICK'S CATHEDRAL, HE COULD PROBABLY COLLECT 5,000 TO 10,000 PEOPLE WITHIN 15 MINUTES.
COULD PROBABLY COLLECT 5,000 TO 10,000 PEOPLE WITHIN 15 MINUTES.
IF I WAS IN NEW YORK CITY AND I 10,000 PEOPLE WITHIN 15 MINUTES.
IF I WAS IN NEW YORK CITY AND I WERE TO STAND UP THERE AND SAY IF I WAS IN NEW YORK CITY AND I WERE TO STAND UP THERE AND SAY THE MUSLIMS HAVE DESTROYED ST.
WERE TO STAND UP THERE AND SAY THE MUSLIMS HAVE DESTROYED ST. PETER'S CATHEDRAL, LET'S GO AND THE MUSLIMS HAVE DESTROYED ST. PETER'S CATHEDRAL, LET'S GO AND BURN THAT MOSQUE THREE BLOCKS PETER'S CATHEDRAL, LET'S GO AND BURN THAT MOSQUE THREE BLOCKS DOWN, SOMEBODY WOULD PROBABLY BURN THAT MOSQUE THREE BLOCKS DOWN, SOMEBODY WOULD PROBABLY SLIP OUT TO THE NEAREST DOWN, SOMEBODY WOULD PROBABLY SLIP OUT TO THE NEAREST TELEPHONE AND CALL THE POLICE SLIP OUT TO THE NEAREST TELEPHONE AND CALL THE POLICE AND SAY, "THERE'S A CRAZY GUY TELEPHONE AND CALL THE POLICE AND SAY, "THERE'S A CRAZY GUY WHO'S STANDING OUT HERE.
AND SAY, "THERE'S A CRAZY GUY WHO'S STANDING OUT HERE.
CAN YOU COME GET HIM?"
WHO'S STANDING OUT HERE.
CAN YOU COME GET HIM?"
THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
CAN YOU COME GET HIM?"
THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
>> Reporter: THAT CRAZY GUY IN THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
>> Reporter: THAT CRAZY GUY IN NEW YORK, WHY DOES HE BECOME THE >> Reporter: THAT CRAZY GUY IN NEW YORK, WHY DOES HE BECOME THE CREDIBLE GUY ON THE STREET HERE?
NEW YORK, WHY DOES HE BECOME THE CREDIBLE GUY ON THE STREET HERE?
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
CREDIBLE GUY ON THE STREET HERE?
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN ANSWER >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN ANSWER ENTIRELY.
I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN ANSWER ENTIRELY.
ONE IS THE LEVEL OF EDUCATION.
ENTIRELY.
ONE IS THE LEVEL OF EDUCATION.
THE SECOND IS THE LEVEL OF ONE IS THE LEVEL OF EDUCATION.
THE SECOND IS THE LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION.
THE SECOND IS THE LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION.
SO YOU WANT TO HIT OUT AGAINST FRUSTRATION.
SO YOU WANT TO HIT OUT AGAINST SOMEBODY.
SO YOU WANT TO HIT OUT AGAINST SOMEBODY.
A BIG BOGEYMAN IS THE WEST, SOMEBODY.
A BIG BOGEYMAN IS THE WEST, AMERICA, AND BY CONSEQUENCE THE A BIG BOGEYMAN IS THE WEST, AMERICA, AND BY CONSEQUENCE THE RELIGION, CHRISTIANS.
AMERICA, AND BY CONSEQUENCE THE RELIGION, CHRISTIANS.
>> Reporter: DESPITE THE RELIGION, CHRISTIANS.
>> Reporter: DESPITE THE RELATIVELY LOW NUMBER OF >> Reporter: DESPITE THE RELATIVELY LOW NUMBER OF CHRISTIANS, CHRISTIAN-RUN RELATIVELY LOW NUMBER OF CHRISTIANS, CHRISTIAN-RUN ORPHANAGES, HOSPITALS, AND CHRISTIANS, CHRISTIAN-RUN ORPHANAGES, HOSPITALS, AND SCHOOLS STILL THRIVE.
ORPHANAGES, HOSPITALS, AND SCHOOLS STILL THRIVE.
MANY OF THE COUNTRY'S MUSLIM SCHOOLS STILL THRIVE.
MANY OF THE COUNTRY'S MUSLIM ELITE ATTENDED CHRISTIAN MANY OF THE COUNTRY'S MUSLIM ELITE ATTENDED CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS.
ELITE ATTENDED CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS.
♪ SCHOOLS.
♪ PRINCIPAL IRENE PEARL SAYS ♪ PRINCIPAL IRENE PEARL SAYS TRINITY METHODIST GIRLS SCHOOL PRINCIPAL IRENE PEARL SAYS TRINITY METHODIST GIRLS SCHOOL IS COMMITTED TO ADMITTING TRINITY METHODIST GIRLS SCHOOL IS COMMITTED TO ADMITTING CHILDREN FROM POOR FAMILIES, IS COMMITTED TO ADMITTING CHILDREN FROM POOR FAMILIES, MANY OF THEM FROM THE CHRISTIAN CHILDREN FROM POOR FAMILIES, MANY OF THEM FROM THE CHRISTIAN MINORITY.
MANY OF THEM FROM THE CHRISTIAN MINORITY.
BUT THERE'S NO HINT IN THE MINORITY.
BUT THERE'S NO HINT IN THE MORNING PRAYER OF TRINITY'S BUT THERE'S NO HINT IN THE MORNING PRAYER OF TRINITY'S RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION.
MORNING PRAYER OF TRINITY'S RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION.
>> WE DO NOT TALK OR QUOTE THE RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION.
>> WE DO NOT TALK OR QUOTE THE HOLY BIBLE.
>> WE DO NOT TALK OR QUOTE THE HOLY BIBLE.
WE SAY LET US BE GOOD HUMAN HOLY BIBLE.
WE SAY LET US BE GOOD HUMAN BEINGS.
WE SAY LET US BE GOOD HUMAN BEINGS.
LET US BE GOOD DAUGHTERS, LET US BEINGS.
LET US BE GOOD DAUGHTERS, LET US BE GOOD PAKISTANIS, BUT ABOVE LET US BE GOOD DAUGHTERS, LET US BE GOOD PAKISTANIS, BUT ABOVE ALL LET US BE GOOD HUMAN BEINGS.
BE GOOD PAKISTANIS, BUT ABOVE ALL LET US BE GOOD HUMAN BEINGS.
>> Reporter: IT IS ILLEGAL IN ALL LET US BE GOOD HUMAN BEINGS.
>> Reporter: IT IS ILLEGAL IN PAKISTAN FOR A MUSLIM TO CONVERT >> Reporter: IT IS ILLEGAL IN PAKISTAN FOR A MUSLIM TO CONVERT TO ANY OTHER FAITH, AND PEARL PAKISTAN FOR A MUSLIM TO CONVERT TO ANY OTHER FAITH, AND PEARL WANTS TO DISPEL ANY NOTION THAT TO ANY OTHER FAITH, AND PEARL WANTS TO DISPEL ANY NOTION THAT THE SCHOOL IS TRYING TO CONVERT WANTS TO DISPEL ANY NOTION THAT THE SCHOOL IS TRYING TO CONVERT MUSLIMS, WHO ACCOUNT FOR 60% OF THE SCHOOL IS TRYING TO CONVERT MUSLIMS, WHO ACCOUNT FOR 60% OF HER STUDENTS.
MUSLIMS, WHO ACCOUNT FOR 60% OF HER STUDENTS.
>> I HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY HER STUDENTS.
>> I HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL HOW I WORD MYSELF.
>> I HAVE TO BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL HOW I WORD MYSELF.
SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE CAREFUL HOW I WORD MYSELF.
SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAVE A CHRISTMAS CONCERT.
SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE HAVE A CHRISTMAS CONCERT.
THE CHILDREN WANT TO HAVE A CHRISTMAS CONCERT.
THE CHILDREN WANT TO PARTICIPATE, THE MUSLIM CHILDREN THE CHILDREN WANT TO PARTICIPATE, THE MUSLIM CHILDREN WANT TO PARTICIPATE, BUT I SAY PARTICIPATE, THE MUSLIM CHILDREN WANT TO PARTICIPATE, BUT I SAY NO, GET A PERMISSION LETTER FROM WANT TO PARTICIPATE, BUT I SAY NO, GET A PERMISSION LETTER FROM YOUR PARENTS.
NO, GET A PERMISSION LETTER FROM YOUR PARENTS.
>> Reporter: SHE THINKS MUSLIM YOUR PARENTS.
>> Reporter: SHE THINKS MUSLIM PARENTS ARE MOSTLY SATISFIED >> Reporter: SHE THINKS MUSLIM PARENTS ARE MOSTLY SATISFIED THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE GETTING PARENTS ARE MOSTLY SATISFIED THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE GETTING A GOOD EDUCATION WITH PATRIOTIC THAT THEIR CHILDREN ARE GETTING A GOOD EDUCATION WITH PATRIOTIC VALUES.
A GOOD EDUCATION WITH PATRIOTIC VALUES.
BUT SHE FEARS FEW WOULD COME TO VALUES.
BUT SHE FEARS FEW WOULD COME TO HER SUPPORT IN A PINCH FOR FEAR BUT SHE FEARS FEW WOULD COME TO HER SUPPORT IN A PINCH FOR FEAR OF THEIR SAFETY.
HER SUPPORT IN A PINCH FOR FEAR OF THEIR SAFETY.
JUST TWO YEARS AGO A PROMINENT OF THEIR SAFETY.
JUST TWO YEARS AGO A PROMINENT POLITICAL LEADER WAS GUNNED DOWN JUST TWO YEARS AGO A PROMINENT POLITICAL LEADER WAS GUNNED DOWN AFTER CALLING FOR MERCY FOR A POLITICAL LEADER WAS GUNNED DOWN AFTER CALLING FOR MERCY FOR A CHRISTIAN WOMAN SENTENCED TO AFTER CALLING FOR MERCY FOR A CHRISTIAN WOMAN SENTENCED TO DEATH FOR BLASPHEMY.
CHRISTIAN WOMAN SENTENCED TO DEATH FOR BLASPHEMY.
HIS ASSASSIN WAS CHEERED BY DEATH FOR BLASPHEMY.
HIS ASSASSIN WAS CHEERED BY CROWDS AND DOZENS OF LAWYERS HIS ASSASSIN WAS CHEERED BY CROWDS AND DOZENS OF LAWYERS OFFERED TO DEFEND HIM FOR FREE.
CROWDS AND DOZENS OF LAWYERS OFFERED TO DEFEND HIM FOR FREE.
>> WE FEEL MOST OF THE TIME WE OFFERED TO DEFEND HIM FOR FREE.
>> WE FEEL MOST OF THE TIME WE ARE NOT EQUAL.
>> WE FEEL MOST OF THE TIME WE ARE NOT EQUAL.
NOT ONLY NOT EQUAL, BUT THE ARE NOT EQUAL.
NOT ONLY NOT EQUAL, BUT THE GROWING FEELING THAT WE ARE NOT NOT ONLY NOT EQUAL, BUT THE GROWING FEELING THAT WE ARE NOT EVEN WANTED.
GROWING FEELING THAT WE ARE NOT EVEN WANTED.
>> Reporter: IS IT SAFE TO EVEN WANTED.
>> Reporter: IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT CHRISTIANS, YOU >> Reporter: IS IT SAFE TO ASSUME THAT CHRISTIANS, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF WHOM ARE ASSUME THAT CHRISTIANS, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF WHOM ARE VERY MODEST OR LOW ECONOMIC KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF WHOM ARE VERY MODEST OR LOW ECONOMIC MEANS, BUT THOSE WHO CAN LEAVE VERY MODEST OR LOW ECONOMIC MEANS, BUT THOSE WHO CAN LEAVE WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE PAKISTAN?
MEANS, BUT THOSE WHO CAN LEAVE WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE PAKISTAN?
>> NOT ONLY CHRISTIANS, OTHERS WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE PAKISTAN?
>> NOT ONLY CHRISTIANS, OTHERS AS WELL.
>> NOT ONLY CHRISTIANS, OTHERS AS WELL.
WE, I THINK, HAVE LOST A LOT OF AS WELL.
WE, I THINK, HAVE LOST A LOT OF THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY, THE WE, I THINK, HAVE LOST A LOT OF THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY, THE EDUCATED COMMUNITY.
THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY, THE EDUCATED COMMUNITY.
THOSE WHO ARE ECONOMICALLY EDUCATED COMMUNITY.
THOSE WHO ARE ECONOMICALLY BETTER OFF AND WERE ABLE TO THOSE WHO ARE ECONOMICALLY BETTER OFF AND WERE ABLE TO AFFORD MIGRATING TO GREENER BETTER OFF AND WERE ABLE TO AFFORD MIGRATING TO GREENER PASTURES HAVE ALREADY DONE SO, AFFORD MIGRATING TO GREENER PASTURES HAVE ALREADY DONE SO, AND THERE ARE MANY OTHERS WHO PASTURES HAVE ALREADY DONE SO, AND THERE ARE MANY OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO DO SO.
AND THERE ARE MANY OTHERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO DO SO.
>> Reporter: FOR "RELIGION & WOULD LIKE TO DO SO.
>> Reporter: FOR "RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS FRED >> Reporter: FOR "RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS FRED DE SAM LAZARO IN KARACHI.
>>> NEXT TUESDAY, OCTOBER 1st, >>> NEXT TUESDAY, OCTOBER 1st, IS THE BEGINNING OF THE >>> NEXT TUESDAY, OCTOBER 1st, IS THE BEGINNING OF THE REGISTRATION PERIOD FOR IS THE BEGINNING OF THE REGISTRATION PERIOD FOR OBAMACARE, WITH THE PLAN ITSELF REGISTRATION PERIOD FOR OBAMACARE, WITH THE PLAN ITSELF KICKING IN ON THE FIRST OF OBAMACARE, WITH THE PLAN ITSELF KICKING IN ON THE FIRST OF JANUARY.
KICKING IN ON THE FIRST OF JANUARY.
IN CONGRESS, IN EVERY STATE, AND JANUARY.
IN CONGRESS, IN EVERY STATE, AND IN MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR AD IN CONGRESS, IN EVERY STATE, AND IN MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR AD CAMPAIGNS, THE SUPPORTERS AND IN MULTIMILLION-DOLLAR AD CAMPAIGNS, THE SUPPORTERS AND OPPONENTS OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE CAMPAIGNS, THE SUPPORTERS AND OPPONENTS OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT ARE TRYING HARD TO WIN OPPONENTS OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT ARE TRYING HARD TO WIN SUPPORT FOR THE PLAN, ON THE ONE ACT ARE TRYING HARD TO WIN SUPPORT FOR THE PLAN, ON THE ONE HAND, OR DELAY OR KILL IT, ON SUPPORT FOR THE PLAN, ON THE ONE HAND, OR DELAY OR KILL IT, ON THE OTHER.
HAND, OR DELAY OR KILL IT, ON THE OTHER.
AND THERE ARE RELIGIOUS THE OTHER.
AND THERE ARE RELIGIOUS ACTIVISTS ON BOTH SIDES, AS SAUL AND THERE ARE RELIGIOUS ACTIVISTS ON BOTH SIDES, AS SAUL GONZALES REPORTS FROM LOS ACTIVISTS ON BOTH SIDES, AS SAUL GONZALES REPORTS FROM LOS ANGELES.
GONZALES REPORTS FROM LOS ANGELES.
>> Reporter: HOURS BEFORE IT ANGELES.
>> Reporter: HOURS BEFORE IT OPENS EACH MORNING, A LINE FORMS >> Reporter: HOURS BEFORE IT OPENS EACH MORNING, A LINE FORMS IN FRONT OF ST. JOHN'S COMMUNITY OPENS EACH MORNING, A LINE FORMS IN FRONT OF ST. JOHN'S COMMUNITY HEALTH CLINIC IN THE HEART OF IN FRONT OF ST. JOHN'S COMMUNITY HEALTH CLINIC IN THE HEART OF SOUTH LOS ANGELES.
HEALTH CLINIC IN THE HEART OF SOUTH LOS ANGELES.
THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO THIS SOUTH LOS ANGELES.
THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO THIS GOVERNMENT-SUPPORTED HEALTH THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO THIS GOVERNMENT-SUPPORTED HEALTH CENTER ARE SOME OF L.A.'S GOVERNMENT-SUPPORTED HEALTH CENTER ARE SOME OF L.A.'S POOREST AND SICKEST RESIDENTS, CENTER ARE SOME OF L.A.'S POOREST AND SICKEST RESIDENTS, AND MOST ARE UNINSURED.
POOREST AND SICKEST RESIDENTS, AND MOST ARE UNINSURED.
THEY TURN TO THIS PLACE BECAUSE AND MOST ARE UNINSURED.
THEY TURN TO THIS PLACE BECAUSE IF THEY CAN'T PAY, THEY'LL STILL THEY TURN TO THIS PLACE BECAUSE IF THEY CAN'T PAY, THEY'LL STILL BE SEEN AND TREATED.
IF THEY CAN'T PAY, THEY'LL STILL BE SEEN AND TREATED.
DO YOU HAVE INSURANCE?
BE SEEN AND TREATED.
DO YOU HAVE INSURANCE?
>> NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY DO YOU HAVE INSURANCE?
>> NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY INSURANCE.
>> NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY INSURANCE.
>> Reporter: YOU DON'T HAVE INSURANCE.
>> Reporter: YOU DON'T HAVE INSURANCE?
>> Reporter: YOU DON'T HAVE INSURANCE?
>> NO.
INSURANCE?
>> NO.
>> Reporter: WHEN'S THE LAST >> NO.
>> Reporter: WHEN'S THE LAST TIME YOU HAD IT?
>> Reporter: WHEN'S THE LAST TIME YOU HAD IT?
>> TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN I LOST MY TIME YOU HAD IT?
>> TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN I LOST MY JOB.
>> TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN I LOST MY JOB.
>> I DON'T HAVE INSURANCE.
JOB.
>> I DON'T HAVE INSURANCE.
>> Reporter: YOU DON'T HAVE >> I DON'T HAVE INSURANCE.
>> Reporter: YOU DON'T HAVE INSURANCE.
>> Reporter: YOU DON'T HAVE INSURANCE.
WHAT'S THAT LIKE?
INSURANCE.
WHAT'S THAT LIKE?
>> JUST TRYING TO NOT GET SICK.
WHAT'S THAT LIKE?
>> JUST TRYING TO NOT GET SICK.
>> Reporter: IF THE AFFORDABLE >> JUST TRYING TO NOT GET SICK.
>> Reporter: IF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, BETTER KNOWN AS >> Reporter: IF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, BETTER KNOWN AS OBAMACARE, WORKS, IT'S THE CARE ACT, BETTER KNOWN AS OBAMACARE, WORKS, IT'S THE PATIENTS AT ST. JOHN'S CLINIC, OBAMACARE, WORKS, IT'S THE PATIENTS AT ST. JOHN'S CLINIC, AND MILLIONS MORE LIKE THEM PATIENTS AT ST. JOHN'S CLINIC, AND MILLIONS MORE LIKE THEM ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WHO ARE AND MILLIONS MORE LIKE THEM ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WHO ARE AMONG THOSE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WHO ARE AMONG THOSE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BENEFIT THE MOST.
AMONG THOSE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BENEFIT THE MOST.
JIM MANGIA IS THE PRESIDENT AND BENEFIT THE MOST.
JIM MANGIA IS THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF ST. JOHN'S.
JIM MANGIA IS THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF ST. JOHN'S.
HE SAYS OBAMACARE'S IMPORTANCE CEO OF ST. JOHN'S.
HE SAYS OBAMACARE'S IMPORTANCE CAN'T BE UNDERESTIMATED.
HE SAYS OBAMACARE'S IMPORTANCE CAN'T BE UNDERESTIMATED.
>> THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND CAN'T BE UNDERESTIMATED.
>> THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT IT'S ONE OF THE MOST >> THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT IT'S ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PIECES OF SOCIAL THAT IT'S ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PIECES OF SOCIAL LEGISLATION WE'VE SEEN IN MORE SIGNIFICANT PIECES OF SOCIAL LEGISLATION WE'VE SEEN IN MORE THAN A GENERATION.
LEGISLATION WE'VE SEEN IN MORE THAN A GENERATION.
>> Reporter: IF ALL GOES THAN A GENERATION.
>> Reporter: IF ALL GOES ACCORDING TO PLAN, OBAMACARE >> Reporter: IF ALL GOES ACCORDING TO PLAN, OBAMACARE WILL EXPAND HEALTH CARE COVERAGE ACCORDING TO PLAN, OBAMACARE WILL EXPAND HEALTH CARE COVERAGE TO OVER 25 MILLION PEOPLE OVER WILL EXPAND HEALTH CARE COVERAGE TO OVER 25 MILLION PEOPLE OVER THE NEXT DECADE.
TO OVER 25 MILLION PEOPLE OVER THE NEXT DECADE.
IT WILL DO THAT IN TWO WAYS.
THE NEXT DECADE.
IT WILL DO THAT IN TWO WAYS.
FIRST, THROUGH A BIG EXPANSION IT WILL DO THAT IN TWO WAYS.
FIRST, THROUGH A BIG EXPANSION OF MEDICAID, THE STATE AND FIRST, THROUGH A BIG EXPANSION OF MEDICAID, THE STATE AND FEDERAL HEALTH COVERAGE PROGRAM OF MEDICAID, THE STATE AND FEDERAL HEALTH COVERAGE PROGRAM FOR LOW-INCOME INDIVIDUALS AND FEDERAL HEALTH COVERAGE PROGRAM FOR LOW-INCOME INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES.
FOR LOW-INCOME INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES.
INDIVIDUALS WITH INCOMES UP TO FAMILIES.
INDIVIDUALS WITH INCOMES UP TO 133% OF THE U.S.
POVERTY LINE INDIVIDUALS WITH INCOMES UP TO 133% OF THE U.S.
POVERTY LINE WILL NOW BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR 133% OF THE U.S.
POVERTY LINE WILL NOW BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR MEDICAID COVERAGE AT NO COST TO WILL NOW BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR MEDICAID COVERAGE AT NO COST TO THEM.
MEDICAID COVERAGE AT NO COST TO THEM.
SECOND, FOR THOSE MAKING MORE, THEM.
SECOND, FOR THOSE MAKING MORE, OBAMACARE CREATES NEW HEALTH SECOND, FOR THOSE MAKING MORE, OBAMACARE CREATES NEW HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGES WHERE OBAMACARE CREATES NEW HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGES WHERE INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES CAN INSURANCE EXCHANGES WHERE INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES CAN PURCHASE COVERAGE FROM A MENU OF INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES CAN PURCHASE COVERAGE FROM A MENU OF INSURANCE PLANS OFFERED BY PURCHASE COVERAGE FROM A MENU OF INSURANCE PLANS OFFERED BY PRIVATE INSURERS.
INSURANCE PLANS OFFERED BY PRIVATE INSURERS.
PEOPLE CAN BEGIN ENROLLING IN PRIVATE INSURERS.
PEOPLE CAN BEGIN ENROLLING IN THESE POLICIES ON OCTOBER 1st, PEOPLE CAN BEGIN ENROLLING IN THESE POLICIES ON OCTOBER 1st, WITH THE COVERAGE KICKING IN ON THESE POLICIES ON OCTOBER 1st, WITH THE COVERAGE KICKING IN ON JANUARY 1st OF THE NEW YEAR.
WITH THE COVERAGE KICKING IN ON JANUARY 1st OF THE NEW YEAR.
PREMIUM SUBSIDIES WILL BE JANUARY 1st OF THE NEW YEAR.
PREMIUM SUBSIDIES WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE WITH INCOMES PREMIUM SUBSIDIES WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE WITH INCOMES UP TO 400% OF THE FEDERAL AVAILABLE FOR THOSE WITH INCOMES UP TO 400% OF THE FEDERAL POVERTY LINE.
UP TO 400% OF THE FEDERAL POVERTY LINE.
MANY UNINSURED WHO QUALIFY FOR POVERTY LINE.
MANY UNINSURED WHO QUALIFY FOR THE MARKETPLACES BUT DON'T MANY UNINSURED WHO QUALIFY FOR THE MARKETPLACES BUT DON'T PURCHASE A PLAN WILL FACE A THE MARKETPLACES BUT DON'T PURCHASE A PLAN WILL FACE A FINANCIAL PENALTY, OR TAX.
PURCHASE A PLAN WILL FACE A FINANCIAL PENALTY, OR TAX.
THAT STARTS AT A MINIMUM OF FINANCIAL PENALTY, OR TAX.
THAT STARTS AT A MINIMUM OF $95 PER YEAR IN 2014, BUT WILL THAT STARTS AT A MINIMUM OF $95 PER YEAR IN 2014, BUT WILL RISE TO A MINIMUM OF $695 IN $95 PER YEAR IN 2014, BUT WILL RISE TO A MINIMUM OF $695 IN 2016.
RISE TO A MINIMUM OF $695 IN 2016.
OBAMACARE'S MANY PROVISIONS, 2016.
OBAMACARE'S MANY PROVISIONS, ESPECIALLY THE MANDATE TO BUY OBAMACARE'S MANY PROVISIONS, ESPECIALLY THE MANDATE TO BUY INSURANCE, HAVE SHARPLY DIVIDED ESPECIALLY THE MANDATE TO BUY INSURANCE, HAVE SHARPLY DIVIDED AMERICANS FOR YEARS, INCLUDING INSURANCE, HAVE SHARPLY DIVIDED AMERICANS FOR YEARS, INCLUDING PEOPLE OF FAITH.
AMERICANS FOR YEARS, INCLUDING PEOPLE OF FAITH.
>> OBAMACARE MAKES HEALTH CARE PEOPLE OF FAITH.
>> OBAMACARE MAKES HEALTH CARE AFFORDABLE TO EVERYONE >> OBAMACARE MAKES HEALTH CARE AFFORDABLE TO EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF INCOME, REGARDLESS AFFORDABLE TO EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF INCOME, REGARDLESS OF WEALTH, REGARDLESS OF ABILITY REGARDLESS OF INCOME, REGARDLESS OF WEALTH, REGARDLESS OF ABILITY TO PAY.
OF WEALTH, REGARDLESS OF ABILITY TO PAY.
IT BECOMES AFFORDABLE.
TO PAY.
IT BECOMES AFFORDABLE.
>> Reporter: ART CRIBBS IS THE IT BECOMES AFFORDABLE.
>> Reporter: ART CRIBBS IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CLERGY AND >> Reporter: ART CRIBBS IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CLERGY AND LAITY UNITED FOR ECONOMIC EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CLERGY AND LAITY UNITED FOR ECONOMIC JUSTICE, AN INTERDENOMINATIONAL LAITY UNITED FOR ECONOMIC JUSTICE, AN INTERDENOMINATIONAL CALIFORNIA GROUP SUPPORTING JUSTICE, AN INTERDENOMINATIONAL CALIFORNIA GROUP SUPPORTING OBAMACARE.
CALIFORNIA GROUP SUPPORTING OBAMACARE.
CRIBBS IS SUCH A STRONG OBAMACARE.
CRIBBS IS SUCH A STRONG PROPONENT OF GOOD HEALTH HE CRIBBS IS SUCH A STRONG PROPONENT OF GOOD HEALTH HE INVITED US TO TALK TO HIM AFTER PROPONENT OF GOOD HEALTH HE INVITED US TO TALK TO HIM AFTER HIS MORNING WORKOUT.
INVITED US TO TALK TO HIM AFTER HIS MORNING WORKOUT.
TO CRIBBS, SUPPORTING OBAMACARE HIS MORNING WORKOUT.
TO CRIBBS, SUPPORTING OBAMACARE GOES BEYOND NITTY-GRITTY HEALTH TO CRIBBS, SUPPORTING OBAMACARE GOES BEYOND NITTY-GRITTY HEALTH AND PUBLIC POLICY ISSUES.
GOES BEYOND NITTY-GRITTY HEALTH AND PUBLIC POLICY ISSUES.
IT'S A MATTER OF MORALITY.
AND PUBLIC POLICY ISSUES.
IT'S A MATTER OF MORALITY.
>> THAT IS WHAT OBAMACARE IS ALL IT'S A MATTER OF MORALITY.
>> THAT IS WHAT OBAMACARE IS ALL ABOUT -- TAKING CARE OF THOSE >> THAT IS WHAT OBAMACARE IS ALL ABOUT -- TAKING CARE OF THOSE WHO ARE AMONG US, FOR WHATEVER ABOUT -- TAKING CARE OF THOSE WHO ARE AMONG US, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHO ARE UNABLE TO CARE WHO ARE AMONG US, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHO ARE UNABLE TO CARE FOR THEMSELVES IN TERMS OF THEIR REASON, WHO ARE UNABLE TO CARE FOR THEMSELVES IN TERMS OF THEIR PHYSICAL CONDITION, IN TERMS OF FOR THEMSELVES IN TERMS OF THEIR PHYSICAL CONDITION, IN TERMS OF THEIR HEALTH AND THEIR MEDICINE.
PHYSICAL CONDITION, IN TERMS OF THEIR HEALTH AND THEIR MEDICINE.
AS A PERSON OF FAITH IF I AM TO THEIR HEALTH AND THEIR MEDICINE.
AS A PERSON OF FAITH IF I AM TO TURN MY BACK ON PEOPLE WHO HAVE AS A PERSON OF FAITH IF I AM TO TURN MY BACK ON PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEEDS, MEDICAL NEEDS, PHYSICAL TURN MY BACK ON PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEEDS, MEDICAL NEEDS, PHYSICAL NEEDS, I HAVE TURNED MY BACK ON NEEDS, MEDICAL NEEDS, PHYSICAL NEEDS, I HAVE TURNED MY BACK ON MY FAITH.
NEEDS, I HAVE TURNED MY BACK ON MY FAITH.
THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
MY FAITH.
THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
>> Reporter: OF COURSE, MANY THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.
>> Reporter: OF COURSE, MANY OTHER PEOPLE OF FAITH DON'T >> Reporter: OF COURSE, MANY OTHER PEOPLE OF FAITH DON'T SHARE SUCH VIEWS ON OBAMACARE.
OTHER PEOPLE OF FAITH DON'T SHARE SUCH VIEWS ON OBAMACARE.
>> THE PARTS THAT MAKE ME SHARE SUCH VIEWS ON OBAMACARE.
>> THE PARTS THAT MAKE ME NERVOUS ABOUT IT, PARTICULARLY >> THE PARTS THAT MAKE ME NERVOUS ABOUT IT, PARTICULARLY FROM AN ETHICAL PERSPECTIVE, IS NERVOUS ABOUT IT, PARTICULARLY FROM AN ETHICAL PERSPECTIVE, IS THE MANDATE THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO FROM AN ETHICAL PERSPECTIVE, IS THE MANDATE THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO BUY INSURANCE COVERAGE.
THE MANDATE THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO BUY INSURANCE COVERAGE.
>> Reporter: SCOTT RAE STUDIES BUY INSURANCE COVERAGE.
>> Reporter: SCOTT RAE STUDIES THE INTERSECTION OF CHRISTIAN >> Reporter: SCOTT RAE STUDIES THE INTERSECTION OF CHRISTIAN ETHICS, ECONOMICS, AND HEALTH THE INTERSECTION OF CHRISTIAN ETHICS, ECONOMICS, AND HEALTH POLICY AT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA'S ETHICS, ECONOMICS, AND HEALTH POLICY AT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA'S BIOLA UNIVERSITY, AN EVANGELICAL POLICY AT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA'S BIOLA UNIVERSITY, AN EVANGELICAL CAMPUS.
BIOLA UNIVERSITY, AN EVANGELICAL CAMPUS.
RAE WORRIES ABOUT THE ESTIMATED CAMPUS.
RAE WORRIES ABOUT THE ESTIMATED $1.1 TRILLION COST OF OBAMACARE RAE WORRIES ABOUT THE ESTIMATED $1.1 TRILLION COST OF OBAMACARE AS IT EXPANDS COVERAGE TO MORE $1.1 TRILLION COST OF OBAMACARE AS IT EXPANDS COVERAGE TO MORE OF THE POOR.
AS IT EXPANDS COVERAGE TO MORE OF THE POOR.
HE ALSO BELIEVES OBAMACARE TAKES OF THE POOR.
HE ALSO BELIEVES OBAMACARE TAKES TOO MUCH AUTHORITY OUT OF THE HE ALSO BELIEVES OBAMACARE TAKES TOO MUCH AUTHORITY OUT OF THE HANDS OF INDIVIDUALS AND GIVES TOO MUCH AUTHORITY OUT OF THE HANDS OF INDIVIDUALS AND GIVES IT TO THE GOVERNMENT.
HANDS OF INDIVIDUALS AND GIVES IT TO THE GOVERNMENT.
>> ANY TIME GOVERNMENT STEPS IN IT TO THE GOVERNMENT.
>> ANY TIME GOVERNMENT STEPS IN AND TELLS PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN >> ANY TIME GOVERNMENT STEPS IN AND TELLS PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT PRODUCE ON THE AND TELLS PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT PRODUCE ON THE PRODUCTION SIDE, AND CAN AND AND CANNOT PRODUCE ON THE PRODUCTION SIDE, AND CAN AND CANNOT CONSUME ON THE PRODUCTION SIDE, AND CAN AND CANNOT CONSUME ON THE CONSUMPTION SIDE, ASSUMING THAT CANNOT CONSUME ON THE CONSUMPTION SIDE, ASSUMING THAT THERE IS NOT SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT CONSUMPTION SIDE, ASSUMING THAT THERE IS NOT SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF HARM COMING FROM THOSE THERE IS NOT SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF HARM COMING FROM THOSE CHOICES I THINK THAT IS IN OF HARM COMING FROM THOSE CHOICES I THINK THAT IS IN GENERAL, I THINK, A MOVEMENT IN CHOICES I THINK THAT IS IN GENERAL, I THINK, A MOVEMENT IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
GENERAL, I THINK, A MOVEMENT IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
>> Reporter: AS OBAMACARE ROLLS THE WRONG DIRECTION.
>> Reporter: AS OBAMACARE ROLLS OUT, SO TOO DOES A BIG, >> Reporter: AS OBAMACARE ROLLS OUT, SO TOO DOES A BIG, NATIONAL, EXPENSIVE CAMPAIGN OF OUT, SO TOO DOES A BIG, NATIONAL, EXPENSIVE CAMPAIGN OF PUBLIC PERSUASION.
NATIONAL, EXPENSIVE CAMPAIGN OF PUBLIC PERSUASION.
ITS MESSAGE IS PRETTY SIMPLE -- PUBLIC PERSUASION.
ITS MESSAGE IS PRETTY SIMPLE -- HEALTH CARE REFORM WILL BE GOOD ITS MESSAGE IS PRETTY SIMPLE -- HEALTH CARE REFORM WILL BE GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY.
HEALTH CARE REFORM WILL BE GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO MEDICAL FOR THE COUNTRY.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO MEDICAL INSURANCE THERE'S NO EXCUSE NOT AND WHEN IT COMES TO MEDICAL INSURANCE THERE'S NO EXCUSE NOT TO GET ANY.
INSURANCE THERE'S NO EXCUSE NOT TO GET ANY.
ONE BIG TARGET OF THE EFFORT TO GET ANY.
ONE BIG TARGET OF THE EFFORT WILL BE HEALTHY, BUT UNINSURED ONE BIG TARGET OF THE EFFORT WILL BE HEALTHY, BUT UNINSURED AMERICANS IN THEIR 20s AND 30s.
WILL BE HEALTHY, BUT UNINSURED AMERICANS IN THEIR 20s AND 30s.
DUBBED "YOUNG INVINCIBLES," AMERICANS IN THEIR 20s AND 30s.
DUBBED "YOUNG INVINCIBLES," THEIR PARTICIPATION IN HEALTH DUBBED "YOUNG INVINCIBLES," THEIR PARTICIPATION IN HEALTH CARE REFORM IS CONSIDERED VITAL THEIR PARTICIPATION IN HEALTH CARE REFORM IS CONSIDERED VITAL TO OFFSET THE COST OF COVERING CARE REFORM IS CONSIDERED VITAL TO OFFSET THE COST OF COVERING OLDER AND CHRONICALLY ILL PEOPLE TO OFFSET THE COST OF COVERING OLDER AND CHRONICALLY ILL PEOPLE BUYING INSURANCE.
OLDER AND CHRONICALLY ILL PEOPLE BUYING INSURANCE.
TO WOO THEM AND OTHERS, THE BUYING INSURANCE.
TO WOO THEM AND OTHERS, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND TO WOO THEM AND OTHERS, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND INDIVIDUAL STATES WILL SPEND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND INDIVIDUAL STATES WILL SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INDIVIDUAL STATES WILL SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EXPLAINING AND SELLING OBAMACARE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EXPLAINING AND SELLING OBAMACARE IN THE COMING MONTHS, WITH A EXPLAINING AND SELLING OBAMACARE IN THE COMING MONTHS, WITH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT CAMPAIGNS.
IN THE COMING MONTHS, WITH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT CAMPAIGNS.
IN MINNESOTA, THE FOCUS IS ON VARIETY OF DIFFERENT CAMPAIGNS.
IN MINNESOTA, THE FOCUS IS ON HUMOR AND TURNING PAUL BUNYAN IN MINNESOTA, THE FOCUS IS ON HUMOR AND TURNING PAUL BUNYAN INTO A SILENT OBAMACARE PITCH HUMOR AND TURNING PAUL BUNYAN INTO A SILENT OBAMACARE PITCH MAN.
INTO A SILENT OBAMACARE PITCH MAN.
IN OREGON THE THRUST IS FOLKSY MAN.
IN OREGON THE THRUST IS FOLKSY AND APPEALS TO STATE PRIDE.
IN OREGON THE THRUST IS FOLKSY AND APPEALS TO STATE PRIDE.
CALIFORNIA IS TAKING A MORE AND APPEALS TO STATE PRIDE.
CALIFORNIA IS TAKING A MORE SOFT-SELL APPROACH.
CALIFORNIA IS TAKING A MORE SOFT-SELL APPROACH.
>> CALIFORNIANS FROM SACRAMENTO SOFT-SELL APPROACH.
>> CALIFORNIANS FROM SACRAMENTO TO SALINAS TO SAN DIEGO WILL >> CALIFORNIANS FROM SACRAMENTO TO SALINAS TO SAN DIEGO WILL HAVE EQUAL ACCESS TO QUALITY TO SALINAS TO SAN DIEGO WILL HAVE EQUAL ACCESS TO QUALITY HEALTH INSURANCE.
HAVE EQUAL ACCESS TO QUALITY HEALTH INSURANCE.
>> Reporter: CALIFORNIA, WITH HEALTH INSURANCE.
>> Reporter: CALIFORNIA, WITH THE LARGEST POPULATION EVER >> Reporter: CALIFORNIA, WITH THE LARGEST POPULATION EVER UNINSURED IN THE COUNTRY, SAYS THE LARGEST POPULATION EVER UNINSURED IN THE COUNTRY, SAYS IT WILL BE THE MOST AGGRESSIVE UNINSURED IN THE COUNTRY, SAYS IT WILL BE THE MOST AGGRESSIVE STATE WHEN IT COMES TO IT WILL BE THE MOST AGGRESSIVE STATE WHEN IT COMES TO IMPLEMENTING AND MARKETING STATE WHEN IT COMES TO IMPLEMENTING AND MARKETING OBAMACARE, SPENDING $150 MILLION IMPLEMENTING AND MARKETING OBAMACARE, SPENDING $150 MILLION ON A MULTILINGUAL MEDIA AND OBAMACARE, SPENDING $150 MILLION ON A MULTILINGUAL MEDIA AND OUTREACH CAMPAIGN.
ON A MULTILINGUAL MEDIA AND OUTREACH CAMPAIGN.
>> WE'RE NOW GOING TO SEE OUTREACH CAMPAIGN.
>> WE'RE NOW GOING TO SEE COVERED CALIFORNIA, STARTING >> WE'RE NOW GOING TO SEE COVERED CALIFORNIA, STARTING OCTOBER 1st.
COVERED CALIFORNIA, STARTING OCTOBER 1st.
>> Reporter: CALIFORNIA'S ALSO OCTOBER 1st.
>> Reporter: CALIFORNIA'S ALSO HOSTING OLD-FASHIONED TOWN HALL >> Reporter: CALIFORNIA'S ALSO HOSTING OLD-FASHIONED TOWN HALL MEETINGS ACROSS THE STATE TO HOSTING OLD-FASHIONED TOWN HALL MEETINGS ACROSS THE STATE TO EXPLAIN THE DETAILS OF HEALTH MEETINGS ACROSS THE STATE TO EXPLAIN THE DETAILS OF HEALTH CARE REFORM TO ITS CITIZENS.
EXPLAIN THE DETAILS OF HEALTH CARE REFORM TO ITS CITIZENS.
>> SO RATES ARE BASED ON HOW CARE REFORM TO ITS CITIZENS.
>> SO RATES ARE BASED ON HOW OLD YOU ARE, WHERE YOU LIVE, AND >> SO RATES ARE BASED ON HOW OLD YOU ARE, WHERE YOU LIVE, AND YOUR HOUSEHOLD SIZE.
OLD YOU ARE, WHERE YOU LIVE, AND YOUR HOUSEHOLD SIZE.
AND THEN THE CHOICES YOU MAKE.
YOUR HOUSEHOLD SIZE.
AND THEN THE CHOICES YOU MAKE.
WHICH HEALTH PLAN DO I WANT?
AND THEN THE CHOICES YOU MAKE.
WHICH HEALTH PLAN DO I WANT?
WHICH BENEFIT DESIGN?
WHICH HEALTH PLAN DO I WANT?
WHICH BENEFIT DESIGN?
THAT'S HOW RATES ARE GOING TO BE WHICH BENEFIT DESIGN?
THAT'S HOW RATES ARE GOING TO BE BASED.
THAT'S HOW RATES ARE GOING TO BE BASED.
>> Reporter: FAITH COMMUNITIES BASED.
>> Reporter: FAITH COMMUNITIES ARE ALSO BEING RECRUITED TO >> Reporter: FAITH COMMUNITIES ARE ALSO BEING RECRUITED TO SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT OBAMACARE.
ARE ALSO BEING RECRUITED TO SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT OBAMACARE.
>> WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT.
SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT OBAMACARE.
>> WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT.
WE'RE IN CHURCHES.
>> WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT.
WE'RE IN CHURCHES.
WE'RE IN MOSQUES.
WE'RE IN CHURCHES.
WE'RE IN MOSQUES.
WE'RE IN MASJIDS, TEMPLES, AND WE'RE IN MOSQUES.
WE'RE IN MASJIDS, TEMPLES, AND SYNAGOGUES.
WE'RE IN MASJIDS, TEMPLES, AND SYNAGOGUES.
WE'RE IN FAITH COMMUNITIES SYNAGOGUES.
WE'RE IN FAITH COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TALKING TO WE'RE IN FAITH COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ACROSS THE COUNTRY TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY AND THEIR PEOPLE ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY AND THEIR NEIGHBORS HAVE ACCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY AND THEIR NEIGHBORS HAVE ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE.
NEIGHBORS HAVE ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE.
>> Reporter: THEN THERE'S ALL AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE.
>> Reporter: THEN THERE'S ALL THE OBAMACARE-RELATED HIRING >> Reporter: THEN THERE'S ALL THE OBAMACARE-RELATED HIRING GOING ON.
THE OBAMACARE-RELATED HIRING GOING ON.
>> OH, NO PROBLEM, SIR.
GOING ON.
>> OH, NO PROBLEM, SIR.
I ALREADY FOUND YOUR ACCOUNT >> OH, NO PROBLEM, SIR.
I ALREADY FOUND YOUR ACCOUNT HERE.
I ALREADY FOUND YOUR ACCOUNT HERE.
>> SO WE'RE STAFFING UP ON THE HERE.
>> SO WE'RE STAFFING UP ON THE MEMBERS SERVICES SIDE.
>> SO WE'RE STAFFING UP ON THE MEMBERS SERVICES SIDE.
WE'RE STAFFING UP ON THE SALES MEMBERS SERVICES SIDE.
WE'RE STAFFING UP ON THE SALES SIDE.
WE'RE STAFFING UP ON THE SALES SIDE.
>> Reporter: HOWARD KAHN IS THE SIDE.
>> Reporter: HOWARD KAHN IS THE CEO OF L.A. CARE, A LOS >> Reporter: HOWARD KAHN IS THE CEO OF L.A. CARE, A LOS ANGELES-BASED PUBLIC HEALTH PLAN CEO OF L.A. CARE, A LOS ANGELES-BASED PUBLIC HEALTH PLAN THAT EXPECTS HUGE GROWTH UNDER ANGELES-BASED PUBLIC HEALTH PLAN THAT EXPECTS HUGE GROWTH UNDER OBAMACARE AS IT OFFERS HEALTH THAT EXPECTS HUGE GROWTH UNDER OBAMACARE AS IT OFFERS HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS TO MORE PEOPLE.
OBAMACARE AS IT OFFERS HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS TO MORE PEOPLE.
L.A. CARE'S DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES INSURANCE PLANS TO MORE PEOPLE.
L.A. CARE'S DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES OFFICE TO YOU SER FILLED WITH L.A. CARE'S DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES OFFICE TO YOU SER FILLED WITH FLOOR AFTER FLOOR OF OPERATORS OFFICE TO YOU SER FILLED WITH FLOOR AFTER FLOOR OF OPERATORS ALL TRAINED TO SIGN UP NEW FLOOR AFTER FLOOR OF OPERATORS ALL TRAINED TO SIGN UP NEW APPLICANTS FOR OBAMACARE ALL TRAINED TO SIGN UP NEW APPLICANTS FOR OBAMACARE INSURANCE PROGRAMS.
APPLICANTS FOR OBAMACARE INSURANCE PROGRAMS.
>> SO TODAY, L.A. CARE COVERS INSURANCE PROGRAMS.
>> SO TODAY, L.A. CARE COVERS ABOUT 1.2 MILLION PEOPLE.
>> SO TODAY, L.A. CARE COVERS ABOUT 1.2 MILLION PEOPLE.
THROUGH OBAMACARE, BOTH THE ABOUT 1.2 MILLION PEOPLE.
THROUGH OBAMACARE, BOTH THE MEDICAL EXPANSION AND COVERED THROUGH OBAMACARE, BOTH THE MEDICAL EXPANSION AND COVERED CALIFORNIA, I WOULD GUESS WE MEDICAL EXPANSION AND COVERED CALIFORNIA, I WOULD GUESS WE WILL SERVE AT LEAST ANOTHER CALIFORNIA, I WOULD GUESS WE WILL SERVE AT LEAST ANOTHER QUARTER OF A MILLION PEOPLE, WILL SERVE AT LEAST ANOTHER QUARTER OF A MILLION PEOPLE, ANOTHER 250,000 PEOPLE, OVER THE QUARTER OF A MILLION PEOPLE, ANOTHER 250,000 PEOPLE, OVER THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF OR SO.
ANOTHER 250,000 PEOPLE, OVER THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF OR SO.
>> Reporter: BUT EVEN AS NEXT YEAR AND A HALF OR SO.
>> Reporter: BUT EVEN AS OBAMACARE MOVES CLOSER TO FULL >> Reporter: BUT EVEN AS OBAMACARE MOVES CLOSER TO FULL IMPLEMENTATION, OPPOSITION TO IT OBAMACARE MOVES CLOSER TO FULL IMPLEMENTATION, OPPOSITION TO IT CONTINUES.
IMPLEMENTATION, OPPOSITION TO IT CONTINUES.
IN CONGRESS, MANY REPUBLICANS CONTINUES.
IN CONGRESS, MANY REPUBLICANS ARE STILL CALLING FOR A HALT OR IN CONGRESS, MANY REPUBLICANS ARE STILL CALLING FOR A HALT OR OUTRIGHT REPEAL OF THE LAW.
ARE STILL CALLING FOR A HALT OR OUTRIGHT REPEAL OF THE LAW.
MANY STATES HAVE ANNOUNCED THEY OUTRIGHT REPEAL OF THE LAW.
MANY STATES HAVE ANNOUNCED THEY WON'T PARTICIPATE IN THE MANY STATES HAVE ANNOUNCED THEY WON'T PARTICIPATE IN THE EXPANSION OF MEDICAID, AND WON'T PARTICIPATE IN THE EXPANSION OF MEDICAID, AND SEVERAL MORE ARE LEANING AGAINST EXPANSION OF MEDICAID, AND SEVERAL MORE ARE LEANING AGAINST IT.
SEVERAL MORE ARE LEANING AGAINST IT.
>> OBAMA CARE, FUN, COOL.
IT.
>> OBAMA CARE, FUN, COOL.
>> Reporter: AND TO INFLUENCE >> OBAMA CARE, FUN, COOL.
>> Reporter: AND TO INFLUENCE PUBLIC OPINION, CONSERVATIVE >> Reporter: AND TO INFLUENCE PUBLIC OPINION, CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL GROUPS HAVE LAUNCHED PUBLIC OPINION, CONSERVATIVE POLITICAL GROUPS HAVE LAUNCHED THEIR OWN MEDIA CAMPAIGNS TO POLITICAL GROUPS HAVE LAUNCHED THEIR OWN MEDIA CAMPAIGNS TO ATTACK OBAMACARE.
THEIR OWN MEDIA CAMPAIGNS TO ATTACK OBAMACARE.
THIS ONE, TARGETING YOUNG ATTACK OBAMACARE.
THIS ONE, TARGETING YOUNG PEOPLE, IS PRODUCED BY THIS ONE, TARGETING YOUNG PEOPLE, IS PRODUCED BY CROSSROADS GPS.
PEOPLE, IS PRODUCED BY CROSSROADS GPS.
>> YEAH, YOU WORK OUT, STAY CROSSROADS GPS.
>> YEAH, YOU WORK OUT, STAY HEALTHY.
>> YEAH, YOU WORK OUT, STAY HEALTHY.
BUT COME ON, BRO, SOMEONE'S GOT HEALTHY.
BUT COME ON, BRO, SOMEONE'S GOT TO PAY FOR PEOPLE WHO SMOKE, BUT COME ON, BRO, SOMEONE'S GOT TO PAY FOR PEOPLE WHO SMOKE, DRINK 85-OUNCE SODAS, AND LIVE TO PAY FOR PEOPLE WHO SMOKE, DRINK 85-OUNCE SODAS, AND LIVE IN A BARCA-LOUNGER.
DRINK 85-OUNCE SODAS, AND LIVE IN A BARCA-LOUNGER.
>> Reporter: AND EVEN AFTER IT'S IN A BARCA-LOUNGER.
>> Reporter: AND EVEN AFTER IT'S FULLY IMPLEMENTED, CRITICS SAY A >> Reporter: AND EVEN AFTER IT'S FULLY IMPLEMENTED, CRITICS SAY A PUBLIC BACKLASH COULD STILL KILL FULLY IMPLEMENTED, CRITICS SAY A PUBLIC BACKLASH COULD STILL KILL OBAMACARE.
PUBLIC BACKLASH COULD STILL KILL OBAMACARE.
>> IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF IT OBAMACARE.
>> IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF IT FAILED, AND WE REVERTED BACK TO >> IT WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF IT FAILED, AND WE REVERTED BACK TO MARKET-BASED SOLUTIONS EITHER.
FAILED, AND WE REVERTED BACK TO MARKET-BASED SOLUTIONS EITHER.
>> Reporter: TO WHAT WE HAVE MARKET-BASED SOLUTIONS EITHER.
>> Reporter: TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW?
>> Reporter: TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW?
>> PERHAPS EVEN MORE NOW?
>> PERHAPS EVEN MORE MARKET-BASED THAN WE HAVE NOW.
>> PERHAPS EVEN MORE MARKET-BASED THAN WE HAVE NOW.
>> Reporter: EVEN ARDENT MARKET-BASED THAN WE HAVE NOW.
>> Reporter: EVEN ARDENT SUPPORTERS OF OBAMACARE >> Reporter: EVEN ARDENT SUPPORTERS OF OBAMACARE ACKNOWLEDGE POSSIBLE PROBLEMS SUPPORTERS OF OBAMACARE ACKNOWLEDGE POSSIBLE PROBLEMS WITH IT BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE.
ACKNOWLEDGE POSSIBLE PROBLEMS WITH IT BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE.
>> WE'RE WORKING WITH 17% TO 18% WITH IT BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE.
>> WE'RE WORKING WITH 17% TO 18% OF THE U.S. ECONOMY, THE BIGGEST >> WE'RE WORKING WITH 17% TO 18% OF THE U.S. ECONOMY, THE BIGGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD.
OF THE U.S. ECONOMY, THE BIGGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD.
IT'S VERY COMPLICATED, AND THERE ECONOMY IN THE WORLD.
IT'S VERY COMPLICATED, AND THERE WILL BE SLIP-UPS.
IT'S VERY COMPLICATED, AND THERE WILL BE SLIP-UPS.
>> Reporter: OTHERS WORRY WILL BE SLIP-UPS.
>> Reporter: OTHERS WORRY OBAMACARE ISN'T BIG ENOUGH.
>> Reporter: OTHERS WORRY OBAMACARE ISN'T BIG ENOUGH.
FOR INSTANCE, EVEN WHEN FULLY OBAMACARE ISN'T BIG ENOUGH.
FOR INSTANCE, EVEN WHEN FULLY IMPLEMENTED, AN ESTIMATED FOR INSTANCE, EVEN WHEN FULLY IMPLEMENTED, AN ESTIMATED 30 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE UNITED IMPLEMENTED, AN ESTIMATED 30 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES WILL STILL BE UNINSURED.
30 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES WILL STILL BE UNINSURED.
THEY RANGE FROM THE UNDOCUMENTED STATES WILL STILL BE UNINSURED.
THEY RANGE FROM THE UNDOCUMENTED TO PEOPLE LIVING IN STATES NOT THEY RANGE FROM THE UNDOCUMENTED TO PEOPLE LIVING IN STATES NOT PARTICIPATING IN MEDICAID TO PEOPLE LIVING IN STATES NOT PARTICIPATING IN MEDICAID EXPANSION.
PARTICIPATING IN MEDICAID EXPANSION.
FINALLY, THERE'S A FEELING IN EXPANSION.
FINALLY, THERE'S A FEELING IN THE HEALTH CARE COMMUNITY ITSELF FINALLY, THERE'S A FEELING IN THE HEALTH CARE COMMUNITY ITSELF THAT THERE'S MUCH MORE TO LEARN THE HEALTH CARE COMMUNITY ITSELF THAT THERE'S MUCH MORE TO LEARN ABOUT OBAMACARE AS THE CLOCK THAT THERE'S MUCH MORE TO LEARN ABOUT OBAMACARE AS THE CLOCK TICKS DOWN TO ITS FULL ABOUT OBAMACARE AS THE CLOCK TICKS DOWN TO ITS FULL UNVEILING.
TICKS DOWN TO ITS FULL UNVEILING.
AT ST. JOHN'S HEALTH CLINIC, UNVEILING.
AT ST. JOHN'S HEALTH CLINIC, PEDIATRICIAN AND MEDICAL AT ST. JOHN'S HEALTH CLINIC, PEDIATRICIAN AND MEDICAL DIRECTOR MIMI CHOI ADMITS SHE PEDIATRICIAN AND MEDICAL DIRECTOR MIMI CHOI ADMITS SHE DOESN'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HEALTH DIRECTOR MIMI CHOI ADMITS SHE DOESN'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HEALTH CARE REFORM.
DOESN'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT HEALTH CARE REFORM.
>> I WOULD SAY I DON'T KNOW CARE REFORM.
>> I WOULD SAY I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING.
>> I WOULD SAY I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING.
I AM LEARNING PIECES HERE AND EVERYTHING.
I AM LEARNING PIECES HERE AND THERE FOR SURE.
I AM LEARNING PIECES HERE AND THERE FOR SURE.
>> Reporter: IT'S OVERWHELMING.
THERE FOR SURE.
>> Reporter: IT'S OVERWHELMING.
>> TOTALLY.
>> Reporter: IT'S OVERWHELMING.
>> TOTALLY.
TOTALLY.
>> TOTALLY.
TOTALLY.
THERE ARE SO MANY MOVING PIECES, TOTALLY.
THERE ARE SO MANY MOVING PIECES, THERE ARE SO MANY LARGE ARCS AND THERE ARE SO MANY MOVING PIECES, THERE ARE SO MANY LARGE ARCS AND PROGRAMS COMING INTO EXISTENCE THERE ARE SO MANY LARGE ARCS AND PROGRAMS COMING INTO EXISTENCE THAT IT IS OVERWHELMING TO TRY PROGRAMS COMING INTO EXISTENCE THAT IT IS OVERWHELMING TO TRY TO GET A GRASP OF EVERYTHING AND THAT IT IS OVERWHELMING TO TRY TO GET A GRASP OF EVERYTHING AND HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR TO GET A GRASP OF EVERYTHING AND HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR PRACTICE ESPECIALLY.
HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR PRACTICE ESPECIALLY.
>> Reporter: IN ST. JOHN'S PRACTICE ESPECIALLY.
>> Reporter: IN ST. JOHN'S CROWDED WAITING ROOM, THERE'S >> Reporter: IN ST. JOHN'S CROWDED WAITING ROOM, THERE'S LITTLE TALK ABOUT OBAMACARE AND CROWDED WAITING ROOM, THERE'S LITTLE TALK ABOUT OBAMACARE AND THE ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST LITTLE TALK ABOUT OBAMACARE AND THE ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST IT.
THE ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST IT.
PEOPLE HERE JUST WANT TO KNOW IT.
PEOPLE HERE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHEN THEY DO GET SICK, SOME PEOPLE HERE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHEN THEY DO GET SICK, SOME PLACE AND SOMEONE WILL BE THERE WHEN THEY DO GET SICK, SOME PLACE AND SOMEONE WILL BE THERE TO HELP AND HEAL THEM.
PLACE AND SOMEONE WILL BE THERE TO HELP AND HEAL THEM.
FOR "RELIGION & ETHICS TO HELP AND HEAL THEM.
FOR "RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M SAUL GONZALEZ FOR "RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M SAUL GONZALEZ IN LOS ANGELES.
NEWSWEEKLY," I'M SAUL GONZALEZ IN LOS ANGELES.
>>> A SIKH PROFESSOR AT COLUMBIA IN LOS ANGELES.
>>> A SIKH PROFESSOR AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY WHO WAS BEATEN UP >>> A SIKH PROFESSOR AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY WHO WAS BEATEN UP LAST WEEK SAYS IT'S MORE UNIVERSITY WHO WAS BEATEN UP LAST WEEK SAYS IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT THE PERPETRATORS LAST WEEK SAYS IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT THE PERPETRATORS ARE "TAUGHT RATHER THAN CAUGHT."
IMPORTANT THAT THE PERPETRATORS ARE "TAUGHT RATHER THAN CAUGHT."
A GROUP OF TEENS ASSAULTED ARE "TAUGHT RATHER THAN CAUGHT."
A GROUP OF TEENS ASSAULTED DR. PRABHJOT SINGH, CALLING HIM A GROUP OF TEENS ASSAULTED DR. PRABHJOT SINGH, CALLING HIM "OSAMA" AND "TERRORIST."
DR. PRABHJOT SINGH, CALLING HIM "OSAMA" AND "TERRORIST."
THE INTERFAITH COMMUNITY HAS "OSAMA" AND "TERRORIST."
THE INTERFAITH COMMUNITY HAS URGED THE FBI TO INVESTIGATE IT THE INTERFAITH COMMUNITY HAS URGED THE FBI TO INVESTIGATE IT AS A HATE CRIME.
URGED THE FBI TO INVESTIGATE IT AS A HATE CRIME.
THE ATTACK COMES ON THE HEELS OF AS A HATE CRIME.
THE ATTACK COMES ON THE HEELS OF A NEW REPORT WHICH FOUND THAT THE ATTACK COMES ON THE HEELS OF A NEW REPORT WHICH FOUND THAT 70% OF AMERICANS LABELED PEOPLE A NEW REPORT WHICH FOUND THAT 70% OF AMERICANS LABELED PEOPLE WHO WEAR TURBANS AS MUSLIM, 70% OF AMERICANS LABELED PEOPLE WHO WEAR TURBANS AS MUSLIM, HINDU, BUDDHIST OR SHINTO.
WHO WEAR TURBANS AS MUSLIM, HINDU, BUDDHIST OR SHINTO.
IN FACT, NEARLY ALL TURBAN HINDU, BUDDHIST OR SHINTO.
IN FACT, NEARLY ALL TURBAN WEARERS IN THE U.S. ARE SIKHS.
IN FACT, NEARLY ALL TURBAN WEARERS IN THE U.S. ARE SIKHS.
>>> POPE EMERITUS BENEDICT HAS WEARERS IN THE U.S. ARE SIKHS.
>>> POPE EMERITUS BENEDICT HAS BEEN LIVING QUIETLY INSIDE >>> POPE EMERITUS BENEDICT HAS BEEN LIVING QUIETLY INSIDE VATICAN CITY, BUT THIS WEEK, HE BEEN LIVING QUIETLY INSIDE VATICAN CITY, BUT THIS WEEK, HE HAD A RARE PUBLIC STATEMENT.
VATICAN CITY, BUT THIS WEEK, HE HAD A RARE PUBLIC STATEMENT.
A NEWSPAPER PUBLISHED BENEDICT'S HAD A RARE PUBLIC STATEMENT.
A NEWSPAPER PUBLISHED BENEDICT'S RESPONSE TO CRITICISM FROM A A NEWSPAPER PUBLISHED BENEDICT'S RESPONSE TO CRITICISM FROM A PROMINENT ATHEIST.
RESPONSE TO CRITICISM FROM A PROMINENT ATHEIST.
THE RETIRED POPE DEFENDED HIS PROMINENT ATHEIST.
THE RETIRED POPE DEFENDED HIS RECORD ON CLERGY SEX ABUSE, THE RETIRED POPE DEFENDED HIS RECORD ON CLERGY SEX ABUSE, SAYING HE HAD NEVER TRIED TO RECORD ON CLERGY SEX ABUSE, SAYING HE HAD NEVER TRIED TO COVER UP THE CRISIS.
SAYING HE HAD NEVER TRIED TO COVER UP THE CRISIS.
>>> MEANWHILE, BENEDICT'S COVER UP THE CRISIS.
>>> MEANWHILE, BENEDICT'S SUCCESSOR RECEIVED A WARM >>> MEANWHILE, BENEDICT'S SUCCESSOR RECEIVED A WARM WELCOME DURING A TRIP TO THE SUCCESSOR RECEIVED A WARM WELCOME DURING A TRIP TO THE ISLAND OF SARDINIA.
WELCOME DURING A TRIP TO THE ISLAND OF SARDINIA.
CATHOLICS AROUND THE WORLD ISLAND OF SARDINIA.
CATHOLICS AROUND THE WORLD CONTINUE TO SHOWER POPE FRANCIS CATHOLICS AROUND THE WORLD CONTINUE TO SHOWER POPE FRANCIS WITH HIGH PRAISE.
CONTINUE TO SHOWER POPE FRANCIS WITH HIGH PRAISE.
>>> THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.
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