Catholic Church; An Unquenchable Thirst; Donor Gap

09/27/2013 | 4m 14s | Video has closed captioning.

Catholic Church & Social Issues: Pope Francis and the future of the Church. Behind the Headlines: An Unquenchable Thirst. A former nun says Catholics should reconsider celibacy. Donation Gap: Why women trail men in political donations. PANELISTS: Mercedes Viana Schlapp, Patricia Sosa, Darlene Kennedy, Lara Brown

Aired: 09/27/13

Rating: NR

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Funding for TO THE CONTRARY is provided by the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation, the Park Foundation and the Charles A. Frueauff Foundation.

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CHARLES A.

FOUNDATION.

CHARLES A.

FOUNDATION.

THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY... CHARLES A.

FOUNDATION.

THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY... FIRST, POPE FRANCIS AND CATHOLIC THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY... FIRST, POPE FRANCIS AND CATHOLIC WOMEN.

FIRST, POPE FRANCIS AND CATHOLIC WOMEN.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

WOMEN.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

A FORMER NUN SAYS THE CHURCH BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

A FORMER NUN SAYS THE CHURCH SHOULD RECONSIDER CELIBACY.

THEN WOMEN, MONEY AND POLITICS.

SHOULD RECONSIDER CELIBACY.

THEN WOMEN, MONEY AND POLITICS.

[777] [777] [777] >> HELLO I'M BONNIE ERBE WELCOME [777] >> HELLO I'M BONNIE ERBE WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION >> HELLO I'M BONNIE ERBE WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, THE VATICAN AND WOMEN.

DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, THE VATICAN AND WOMEN.

A NUMBER OF REMARKABLE EVENTS UP FIRST, THE VATICAN AND WOMEN.

A NUMBER OF REMARKABLE EVENTS SURROUNDING THE PAPACY TOOK A NUMBER OF REMARKABLE EVENTS SURROUNDING THE PAPACY TOOK PLACE THIS WEEK.

SURROUNDING THE PAPACY TOOK PLACE THIS WEEK.

MOST RECENTLY, POPE EMERITUS PLACE THIS WEEK.

MOST RECENTLY, POPE EMERITUS BENEDICT XVI EMERGED FROM MOST RECENTLY, POPE EMERITUS BENEDICT XVI EMERGED FROM RETIREMENT TO RESPOND TO BENEDICT XVI EMERGED FROM RETIREMENT TO RESPOND TO CRITICISM OF HIS HANDLING OF THE RETIREMENT TO RESPOND TO CRITICISM OF HIS HANDLING OF THE PRIEST PEDOPHILIA SCANDALMENT HE CRITICISM OF HIS HANDLING OF THE PRIEST PEDOPHILIA SCANDALMENT HE DENIED ACCUSATIONS THAT HE PRIEST PEDOPHILIA SCANDALMENT HE DENIED ACCUSATIONS THAT HE COVERED UP SEXUAL ABUSE BY DENIED ACCUSATIONS THAT HE COVERED UP SEXUAL ABUSE BY PRIESTS.

COVERED UP SEXUAL ABUSE BY PRIESTS.

MEANWHILE, FORMER FATHER GREG PRIESTS.

MEANWHILE, FORMER FATHER GREG REYNOLDS OF AUSTRALIA BECAME THE MEANWHILE, FORMER FATHER GREG REYNOLDS OF AUSTRALIA BECAME THE FIRST PERSON EXCOMMUNICATED REYNOLDS OF AUSTRALIA BECAME THE FIRST PERSON EXCOMMUNICATED UNDER THE PAPACY OF POPE FIRST PERSON EXCOMMUNICATED UNDER THE PAPACY OF POPE FRANCIS.

UNDER THE PAPACY OF POPE FRANCIS.

HE IS AN OUTSPOKEN SUPPER OF FRANCIS.

HE IS AN OUTSPOKEN SUPPER OF WOMEN'S ORDINATION AND GAY HE IS AN OUTSPOKEN SUPPER OF WOMEN'S ORDINATION AND GAY MARRIAGE.

WOMEN'S ORDINATION AND GAY MARRIAGE.

THEN, THERE WAS A SLEW OF MARRIAGE.

THEN, THERE WAS A SLEW OF PUBLICITY AND POSITIVE REACTION THEN, THERE WAS A SLEW OF PUBLICITY AND POSITIVE REACTION FROM CATHOLICS AROUND THE WORLD PUBLICITY AND POSITIVE REACTION FROM CATHOLICS AROUND THE WORLD LAST WEEK TO POPE FRANCIS' FROM CATHOLICS AROUND THE WORLD LAST WEEK TO POPE FRANCIS' REMARKS CRITICIZING THE CHURCH LAST WEEK TO POPE FRANCIS' REMARKS CRITICIZING THE CHURCH IN HIS WORDS HE SAID THE CHURCH REMARKS CRITICIZING THE CHURCH IN HIS WORDS HE SAID THE CHURCH SHOULD DROP ITS OBSESSION WITH IN HIS WORDS HE SAID THE CHURCH SHOULD DROP ITS OBSESSION WITH DEVICIVE ISSUES SUCH AS GAY SHOULD DROP ITS OBSESSION WITH DEVICIVE ISSUES SUCH AS GAY RIGHTS AND ABORTION AND DEVICIVE ISSUES SUCH AS GAY RIGHTS AND ABORTION AND CONTRACEPTION.

RIGHTS AND ABORTION AND CONTRACEPTION.

THERE WAS LESS COVERAGE OF HIS CONTRACEPTION.

THERE WAS LESS COVERAGE OF HIS REVERSAL A DAY LATER.

HE LECTURED CATHOLIC OBJECT CITY REVERSAL A DAY LATER.

HE LECTURED CATHOLIC OBJECT CITY TRICKS BUDGET CUTS EVILS OF HE LECTURED CATHOLIC OBJECT CITY TRICKS BUDGET CUTS EVILS OF ABORTION SAYING EVERY TRICKS BUDGET CUTS EVILS OF ABORTION SAYING EVERY PRESENTINGTY ABORTED BEARS THE ABORTION SAYING EVERY PRESENTINGTY ABORTED BEARS THE FACE OF JESUS.

PRESENTINGTY ABORTED BEARS THE FACE OF JESUS.

MERCY WAS THIS A FLIP-FLOP OR FACE OF JESUS.

MERCY WAS THIS A FLIP-FLOP OR DOES POPE FRANCIS TRULY WANT TO MERCY WAS THIS A FLIP-FLOP OR DOES POPE FRANCIS TRULY WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM ISSUES LIKE DOES POPE FRANCIS TRULY WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM ISSUES LIKE ABORTION STAY AWAY FROM ISSUES LIKE ABORTION >> THERE IS NO FLIP-FLOP.

ABORTION >> THERE IS NO FLIP-FLOP.

POPE FRANCIS IS COMMITTED TO >> THERE IS NO FLIP-FLOP.

POPE FRANCIS IS COMMITTED TO DEFINE THE MISSION OF THE CHURCH POPE FRANCIS IS COMMITTED TO DEFINE THE MISSION OF THE CHURCH THE SALVATION OF JESUS AND DEFINE THE MISSION OF THE CHURCH THE SALVATION OF JESUS AND LETTING PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS THE SALVATION OF JESUS AND LETTING PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS AS WELL AS COMMITTED TO THE LETTING PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS AS WELL AS COMMITTED TO THE MORAL TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH AS WELL AS COMMITTED TO THE MORAL TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH >> I THINK POPE FRANCIS WANTS TO MORAL TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH >> I THINK POPE FRANCIS WANTS TO HAVE HIS CAKE AND EAT IT TOO AND >> I THINK POPE FRANCIS WANTS TO HAVE HIS CAKE AND EAT IT TOO AND TIME WILL TELL WHETHER HE CAN HAVE HIS CAKE AND EAT IT TOO AND TIME WILL TELL WHETHER HE CAN GETAWAY WITH IT TIME WILL TELL WHETHER HE CAN GETAWAY WITH IT >> I DO BELIEVE HIS INTENT IN GETAWAY WITH IT >> I DO BELIEVE HIS INTENT IN THE COMMENTS WAS TO SAY THERE >> I DO BELIEVE HIS INTENT IN THE COMMENTS WAS TO SAY THERE ARE MANY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO THE COMMENTS WAS TO SAY THERE ARE MANY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

ARE MANY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

ABORTION IS A SIN AND HE DID NOT ADDRESS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

ABORTION IS A SIN AND HE DID NOT SAY IT WASN'T.

>> YEAH, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A SAY IT WASN'T.

>> YEAH, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A FLIP-FLOP.

I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO FLIP-FLOP.

I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO CONTEXTUALIZE THE ABORTION I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO CONTEXTUALIZE THE ABORTION DEBATE IN THE LARGER CONTEXTUALIZE THE ABORTION DEBATE IN THE LARGER CONVERSATION OF ALL OF THE DEBATE IN THE LARGER CONVERSATION OF ALL OF THE CHURCH'S TEACHINGS CONVERSATION OF ALL OF THE CHURCH'S TEACHINGS >> I'M THRILLED TO SAVE WE HAVE CHURCH'S TEACHINGS >> I'M THRILLED TO SAVE WE HAVE A CATHOLIC PANEL TODAY WHICH WAS >> I'M THRILLED TO SAVE WE HAVE A CATHOLIC PANEL TODAY WHICH WAS WONDERFUL.

A CATHOLIC PANEL TODAY WHICH WAS WONDERFUL.

I AM NOT A CATHOLIC.

WONDERFUL.

I AM NOT A CATHOLIC.

HUGE FAN OF THIS POPE OR AT I AM NOT A CATHOLIC.

HUGE FAN OF THIS POPE OR AT LEAST I WAS LAST THURSDAY AND HUGE FAN OF THIS POPE OR AT LEAST I WAS LAST THURSDAY AND FRIDAY I'M THINKING WHAT IS HE LEAST I WAS LAST THURSDAY AND FRIDAY I'M THINKING WHAT IS HE DOING?

FRIDAY I'M THINKING WHAT IS HE DOING?

NOT THAT HE CARES WHETHER I AM A DOING?

NOT THAT HE CARES WHETHER I AM A FAN OR NOT.

BUT BILL MAYER HAS BEEN SAYING FAN OR NOT.

BUT BILL MAYER HAS BEEN SAYING NICE THINGS AS IS PIERCE MORGAN BUT BILL MAYER HAS BEEN SAYING NICE THINGS AS IS PIERCE MORGAN OF CNN NICE THINGS AS IS PIERCE MORGAN OF CNN >> A LOT OF US ARE COMMUNICATORS OF CNN >> A LOT OF US ARE COMMUNICATORS HERE ON THE PANEL AND THE POPE'S >> A LOT OF US ARE COMMUNICATORS HERE ON THE PANEL AND THE POPE'S GOT THE RIGHT TONE AND THAT IS HERE ON THE PANEL AND THE POPE'S GOT THE RIGHT TONE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN MISSING GOT THE RIGHT TONE AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN MISSING IN THE CHURCH FOR A LONGTIME.

SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN MISSING IN THE CHURCH FOR A LONGTIME.

WHAT HAPPENED IS THE CATHOLIC IN THE CHURCH FOR A LONGTIME.

WHAT HAPPENED IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ALMOST WANTED TO BECOME A WHAT HAPPENED IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ALMOST WANTED TO BECOME A POLITICAL AGENCY DICTATING THEIR CHURCH ALMOST WANTED TO BECOME A POLITICAL AGENCY DICTATING THEIR POSITIONS.

POLITICAL AGENCY DICTATING THEIR POSITIONS.

AND WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO IS POSITIONS.

AND WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO IS TRYING TO FOCUS THAT BACK TO AND WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO IS TRYING TO FOCUS THAT BACK TO WHAT IS THE CORE MISSION OF THE TRYING TO FOCUS THAT BACK TO WHAT IS THE CORE MISSION OF THE CHURCH AND THAT IS TO INTRODUCE WHAT IS THE CORE MISSION OF THE CHURCH AND THAT IS TO INTRODUCE PEOPLE TO THE LOVE OF CHRIST.

CHURCH AND THAT IS TO INTRODUCE PEOPLE TO THE LOVE OF CHRIST.

>> AND BREAKING AWAY FROM PEOPLE TO THE LOVE OF CHRIST.

>> AND BREAKING AWAY FROM MATERIALISM.

GETAWAY FROM A VERY WHAT HAD MATERIALISM.

GETAWAY FROM A VERY WHAT HAD BECOME A MATERIALLISTIC.

BUT I DO WANT TO GET TO THE ROLE BECOME A MATERIALLISTIC.

BUT I DO WANT TO GET TO THE ROLE WOMEN PLAY IN THIS.

AND WHY A DAY AFTER GIVING WOMEN PLAY IN THIS.

AND WHY A DAY AFTER GIVING THIS -- AND WHY A DAY AFTER GIVING THIS -- >> INCREDIBLE -- INCREDIBLE THIS -- >> INCREDIBLE -- INCREDIBLE INTERVIEW DOES HE NOT GO BACK >> INCREDIBLE -- INCREDIBLE INTERVIEW DOES HE NOT GO BACK AND SAY ANYTHING NASTY ABOUT INTERVIEW DOES HE NOT GO BACK AND SAY ANYTHING NASTY ABOUT GAYS OR HOMSEXUALS BUT HE SAYS AND SAY ANYTHING NASTY ABOUT GAYS OR HOMSEXUALS BUT HE SAYS AND AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY ABORTION GAYS OR HOMSEXUALS BUT HE SAYS AND AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY ABORTION MORE OF A WOMEN'S ISSUE THAN A AND AGAIN, OBVIOUSLY ABORTION MORE OF A WOMEN'S ISSUE THAN A MAN'S ISSUE.

MORE OF A WOMEN'S ISSUE THAN A MAN'S ISSUE.

IS IT BECAUSE HE HAS LESS WHEN MAN'S ISSUE.

IS IT BECAUSE HE HAS LESS WHEN HE IS TRYING TO MAKE THE CHURCH IS IT BECAUSE HE HAS LESS WHEN HE IS TRYING TO MAKE THE CHURCH OPENING AND WELCOMING, DOES THAT HE IS TRYING TO MAKE THE CHURCH OPENING AND WELCOMING, DOES THAT MEAN -- OPENING AND WELCOMING, DOES THAT MEAN -- >> THAT IS THE MORAL TEACHING OF MEAN -- >> THAT IS THE MORAL TEACHING OF THE CHURCH IS DEFENDING THE >> THAT IS THE MORAL TEACHING OF THE CHURCH IS DEFENDING THE SANCTITY OF LIFE.

THE CHURCH IS DEFENDING THE SANCTITY OF LIFE.

A WOMAN SENT HIM A LETTER I SANCTITY OF LIFE.

A WOMAN SENT HIM A LETTER I THINK SHE WAS IN SOUTH AMERICA A WOMAN SENT HIM A LETTER I THINK SHE WAS IN SOUTH AMERICA SAYING THIS MAN WHO I HAD SEX THINK SHE WAS IN SOUTH AMERICA SAYING THIS MAN WHO I HAD SEX WITH I'M PREGNANT.

SAYING THIS MAN WHO I HAD SEX WITH I'M PREGNANT.

HE WANTS ME TO GET AN ABORTION WITH I'M PREGNANT.

HE WANTS ME TO GET AN ABORTION WHAT DO I DO?

THE POPE PICKED UP THE PHONE AND WHAT DO I DO?

THE POPE PICKED UP THE PHONE AND CALLED THIS WOMAN AND SAID YOU THE POPE PICKED UP THE PHONE AND CALLED THIS WOMAN AND SAID YOU HAVE THIS DON'T ABORT THIS CALLED THIS WOMAN AND SAID YOU HAVE THIS DON'T ABORT THIS CHILD.

HAVE THIS DON'T ABORT THIS CHILD.

HAVE THE CHILD.

CHILD.

HAVE THE CHILD.

THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL GIFT FROM HAVE THE CHILD.

THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL GIFT FROM GOD.

IT IS THAT TOUCHING PERSONAL GOD.

IT IS THAT TOUCHING PERSONAL TOUCH TO PEOPLE AND IT IS ABOUT IT IS THAT TOUCHING PERSONAL TOUCH TO PEOPLE AND IT IS ABOUT HE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE HIS TOUCH TO PEOPLE AND IT IS ABOUT HE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE HIS POSITIONS THE CHURCH'S TEACHINGS HE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE HIS POSITIONS THE CHURCH'S TEACHINGS ON ABORTION.

POSITIONS THE CHURCH'S TEACHINGS ON ABORTION.

IT'S CLEAR ON ABORTION.

IT'S CLEAR >> WELL, HE IS GOING TO BE IT'S CLEAR >> WELL, HE IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING AND TIME WILL TELL >> WELL, HE IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING AND TIME WILL TELL BECAUSE I THINK THE DIALOGUE HE INTERESTING AND TIME WILL TELL BECAUSE I THINK THE DIALOGUE HE EXTENDED A DIALOGUE AND I'M BECAUSE I THINK THE DIALOGUE HE EXTENDED A DIALOGUE AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND I THINK EXTENDED A DIALOGUE AND I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND I THINK HE WANTS TO PUT THE CHURCH IN A SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND I THINK HE WANTS TO PUT THE CHURCH IN A LARGER CONTEXT.

HE WANTS TO PUT THE CHURCH IN A LARGER CONTEXT.

BUT THERE ARE SOME REALITIES LARGER CONTEXT.

BUT THERE ARE SOME REALITIES THAT EVENTUALLY HE HAS TO GO BUT THERE ARE SOME REALITIES THAT EVENTUALLY HE HAS TO GO BEYOND TALKING.

THAT EVENTUALLY HE HAS TO GO BEYOND TALKING.

AND ABORTION IS ONE AND THE ROLE BEYOND TALKING.

AND ABORTION IS ONE AND THE ROLE OF WOMEN AND PARTICULARLY OF AND ABORTION IS ONE AND THE ROLE OF WOMEN AND PARTICULARLY OF NUNS.

OF WOMEN AND PARTICULARLY OF NUNS.

BECAUSE THIS IS AN ISSUE -- NUNS.

BECAUSE THIS IS AN ISSUE -- >> HE HAS RAISED HE WANTS TO BECAUSE THIS IS AN ISSUE -- >> HE HAS RAISED HE WANTS TO COME UP WITH A DEEPER THEOLOGY >> HE HAS RAISED HE WANTS TO COME UP WITH A DEEPER THEOLOGY OF WOMEN WHICH A NUN WROTE IN COME UP WITH A DEEPER THEOLOGY OF WOMEN WHICH A NUN WROTE IN TIME MAGAZINE SHE DIDN'T KNOW OF WOMEN WHICH A NUN WROTE IN TIME MAGAZINE SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT.

TIME MAGAZINE SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT.

>> THERE IS A LOT OF DEEP WHAT THAT MEANT.

>> THERE IS A LOT OF DEEP THEOLOGICAL ANALYSIS BY NUNS.

IT'S NOT A NEW CONCEPT BECAUSE THEOLOGICAL ANALYSIS BY NUNS.

IT'S NOT A NEW CONCEPT BECAUSE HE AVOIDING THE BOTTOM LINE IT'S NOT A NEW CONCEPT BECAUSE HE AVOIDING THE BOTTOM LINE ISSUE WHAT IS THE ROLE NUNS WILL HE AVOIDING THE BOTTOM LINE ISSUE WHAT IS THE ROLE NUNS WILL HAVE?

ISSUE WHAT IS THE ROLE NUNS WILL HAVE?

HE PUBLICLY SAID THE ORDINATION HAVE?

HE PUBLICLY SAID THE ORDINATION OF NUNS IS CLOSEDP THE HE PUBLICLY SAID THE ORDINATION OF NUNS IS CLOSEDP THE EXCOMMUNICATION OF THE PRIEST IN OF NUNS IS CLOSEDP THE EXCOMMUNICATION OF THE PRIEST IN AUSTRALIA WHO IS KNOWN EXCOMMUNICATION OF THE PRIEST IN AUSTRALIA WHO IS KNOWN SUPPORTING THE ORDINATION OF AUSTRALIA WHO IS KNOWN SUPPORTING THE ORDINATION OF NUNS IS TELLING YOU WHERE HE IS SUPPORTING THE ORDINATION OF NUNS IS TELLING YOU WHERE HE IS GOING.

NUNS IS TELLING YOU WHERE HE IS GOING.

AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE EASY GOING.

AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE EASY FOR HIM.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO GETAWAY FOR HIM.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO GETAWAY WITH WORDS.

HE HAS TO START ACTING IF HE IS WITH WORDS.

HE HAS TO START ACTING IF HE IS GOING TO MAINTAIN HIS HE HAS TO START ACTING IF HE IS GOING TO MAINTAIN HIS POPULARITY.

GOING TO MAINTAIN HIS POPULARITY.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY THE PRIEST POPULARITY.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY THE PRIEST EXCOMMUNICATED WAS NOT JUST >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THE PRIEST EXCOMMUNICATED WAS NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE OF EXCOMMUNICATED WAS NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE OF SUPPORTING NUNS BEING HOLDING BECAUSE OF THE ISSUE OF SUPPORTING NUNS BEING HOLDING HIGHER OFFICES OR SEATS.

SUPPORTING NUNS BEING HOLDING HIGHER OFFICES OR SEATS.

BUT THE FACT THAT HE OUTWARDLY HIGHER OFFICES OR SEATS.

BUT THE FACT THAT HE OUTWARDLY SUPPORTED GAY MARRIAGE WHICH BUT THE FACT THAT HE OUTWARDLY SUPPORTED GAY MARRIAGE WHICH IS -- SUPPORTED GAY MARRIAGE WHICH IS -- >> HE OFFICIATED IS -- >> HE OFFICIATED >> AND THAT IS -- HE BROKE THE >> HE OFFICIATED >> AND THAT IS -- HE BROKE THE RULES.

>> AND THAT IS -- HE BROKE THE RULES.

AND NOT TO GET INTO THE CAT KISS RULES.

AND NOT TO GET INTO THE CAT KISS UM.

HE OUTWARDLY SPOKE AGAINST THE UM.

HE OUTWARDLY SPOKE AGAINST THE RULES OF THE CHURCH.

THAT IS NOT HIS JOB TO DO RULES OF THE CHURCH.

THAT IS NOT HIS JOB TO DO >> I THINK THERE IS A LARGER THAT IS NOT HIS JOB TO DO >> I THINK THERE IS A LARGER ISSUE WHICH SPEAKS TO OUR OWN >> I THINK THERE IS A LARGER ISSUE WHICH SPEAKS TO OUR OWN SORT OF CHARACTERIZATION OF ISSUE WHICH SPEAKS TO OUR OWN SORT OF CHARACTERIZATION OF CATHOLICISM.

SORT OF CHARACTERIZATION OF CATHOLICISM.

UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE CATHOLICISM.

UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE TEACHINGS THAT ARE BOTH WHICH WE UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE TEACHINGS THAT ARE BOTH WHICH WE CONSIDER LIBERAL AND TEACHINGS THAT ARE BOTH WHICH WE CONSIDER LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE.

CONSIDER LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE.

AND WE SO MUCH WANT TO SORT OF CONSERVATIVE.

AND WE SO MUCH WANT TO SORT OF PUT CATHOLICISM INTO ONE GROUP AND WE SO MUCH WANT TO SORT OF PUT CATHOLICISM INTO ONE GROUP OR ANOTHER.

PUT CATHOLICISM INTO ONE GROUP OR ANOTHER.

AND IT'S NOT.

OR ANOTHER.

AND IT'S NOT.

IT IS A MUCH LARGER COMPLEX AND IT'S NOT.

IT IS A MUCH LARGER COMPLEX RELIGION THAT LOOKS AT.

I MEAN IF YOU ARE TALKING RELIGION THAT LOOKS AT.

I MEAN IF YOU ARE TALKING ABORTION AND LIFE THEN YOU HAVE I MEAN IF YOU ARE TALKING ABORTION AND LIFE THEN YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE ABORTION AND LIFE THEN YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE CHURCH DOESN'T BELIEVE IN TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE CHURCH DOESN'T BELIEVE IN PREMARITAL SEX.

CHURCH DOESN'T BELIEVE IN PREMARITAL SEX.

ONE OF THE ISSUES IS YOU KNOW, PREMARITAL SEX.

ONE OF THE ISSUES IS YOU KNOW, WHEN SORT OF A RELATIONSHIP IS ONE OF THE ISSUES IS YOU KNOW, WHEN SORT OF A RELATIONSHIP IS CONSUMMATED WITHIN A MARRIAGE WHEN SORT OF A RELATIONSHIP IS CONSUMMATED WITHIN A MARRIAGE THERE IS A BELIEF THAT ALL OF CONSUMMATED WITHIN A MARRIAGE THERE IS A BELIEF THAT ALL OF THOSE UNIONS SHOULD THEN TURN THERE IS A BELIEF THAT ALL OF THOSE UNIONS SHOULD THEN TURN INTO CHILDREN.

THOSE UNIONS SHOULD THEN TURN INTO CHILDREN.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF MORE INTO CHILDREN.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF MORE COMPLEX DEEPER ISSUES SO THERE ARE A LOT OF MORE COMPLEX DEEPER ISSUES >> BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT COMPLEX DEEPER ISSUES >> BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT HE MEANS ABOUT A DEEPER >> BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT HE MEANS ABOUT A DEEPER THEOLOGY FOR WOMEN AND GIVING WHAT HE MEANS ABOUT A DEEPER THEOLOGY FOR WOMEN AND GIVING WOMEN MORE POWER WITHIN THE THEOLOGY FOR WOMEN AND GIVING WOMEN MORE POWER WITHIN THE CHURCH?

WOMEN MORE POWER WITHIN THE CHURCH?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT MEANS CHURCH?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT MEANS RECOGNIZING MORE AT LEAST THE >> WELL, I THINK THAT MEANS RECOGNIZING MORE AT LEAST THE SCHOLARS THAT I WOULD TALK TO RECOGNIZING MORE AT LEAST THE SCHOLARS THAT I WOULD TALK TO WHO WOULD SAY SORT OF THE ROLE SCHOLARS THAT I WOULD TALK TO WHO WOULD SAY SORT OF THE ROLE OF THE VIRGIN MARY WITHIN THE WHO WOULD SAY SORT OF THE ROLE OF THE VIRGIN MARY WITHIN THE STORIES OF THE BIBLE AND WITHIN OF THE VIRGIN MARY WITHIN THE STORIES OF THE BIBLE AND WITHIN ESSENTIALLY A CONTEXT OF JESUS' STORIES OF THE BIBLE AND WITHIN ESSENTIALLY A CONTEXT OF JESUS' LIFE.

ESSENTIALLY A CONTEXT OF JESUS' LIFE.

THERE ARE PASSAGES WITHIN THE LIFE.

THERE ARE PASSAGES WITHIN THE BIBLE WHICH SPEAK TO -- THERE ARE PASSAGES WITHIN THE BIBLE WHICH SPEAK TO -- >> DOES IT TRANSLATE INTO BIBLE WHICH SPEAK TO -- >> DOES IT TRANSLATE INTO ANYMORE REAL POWERS FOR NUNS >> DOES IT TRANSLATE INTO ANYMORE REAL POWERS FOR NUNS >> IT COULD.

ANYMORE REAL POWERS FOR NUNS >> IT COULD.

IN REAL-LIFE.

>> IT COULD.

IN REAL-LIFE.

REAL-LIFE IN REAL-LIFE.

REAL-LIFE >> IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND REAL-LIFE >> IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE DOGMA VERSUS THE TRADITION.

>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE DOGMA VERSUS THE TRADITION.

THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE SANCTITY THE DOGMA VERSUS THE TRADITION.

THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE SANCTITY OF LIFE AND MARRIAGE.

ET CETERA.

OF LIFE AND MARRIAGE.

ET CETERA.

THEN YOU HAVE THE CHURCH'S ET CETERA.

THEN YOU HAVE THE CHURCH'S TRADITIONS THE MALE PRIEST, THE THEN YOU HAVE THE CHURCH'S TRADITIONS THE MALE PRIEST, THE FACT THAT PRIESTS CANNOT GET TRADITIONS THE MALE PRIEST, THE FACT THAT PRIESTS CANNOT GET MARRIED.

FACT THAT PRIESTS CANNOT GET MARRIED.

THAT CAN CHANGE IT COULD CHANGE.

MARRIED.

THAT CAN CHANGE IT COULD CHANGE.

SO I THINK THAT IS WHERE YOU THAT CAN CHANGE IT COULD CHANGE.

SO I THINK THAT IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE IT ALL SO I THINK THAT IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE IT ALL KIND OF PLAYS OUT.

HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE IT ALL KIND OF PLAYS OUT.

>> LET ME THROW IN HOW WAS JESUS KIND OF PLAYS OUT.

>> LET ME THROW IN HOW WAS JESUS BORN?

AND ESSENTIALLY SHE COMES BACK BORN?

AND ESSENTIALLY SHE COMES BACK AND SAYS IT WAS BETWEEN GOD AND AND ESSENTIALLY SHE COMES BACK AND SAYS IT WAS BETWEEN GOD AND A WOMAN AND MAN HAD NOTHING TO AND SAYS IT WAS BETWEEN GOD AND A WOMAN AND MAN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

A WOMAN AND MAN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

THE OTHER SIDE IS IF YOU GET DO WITH IT.

THE OTHER SIDE IS IF YOU GET INTO THESE DEEP TEACHINGS THERE THE OTHER SIDE IS IF YOU GET INTO THESE DEEP TEACHINGS THERE ARE ACTUALLY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INTO THESE DEEP TEACHINGS THERE ARE ACTUALLY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROLE THAT WOMEN MIGHT BE ABLE TO ARE ACTUALLY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROLE THAT WOMEN MIGHT BE ABLE TO PLAY WHICH IS A DEEPER MORE ROLE THAT WOMEN MIGHT BE ABLE TO PLAY WHICH IS A DEEPER MORE EXPANDSIVE ROLE PLAY WHICH IS A DEEPER MORE EXPANDSIVE ROLE >> BUT THE TALENT THE CHURCH HAS EXPANDSIVE ROLE >> BUT THE TALENT THE CHURCH HAS IS THERE ARE A LOT OF CHURCHES >> BUT THE TALENT THE CHURCH HAS IS THERE ARE A LOT OF CHURCHES WITH NO PRIESTS BECAUSE THERE'S IS THERE ARE A LOT OF CHURCHES WITH NO PRIESTS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PRIESTS TO RUN THE WITH NO PRIESTS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PRIESTS TO RUN THE CHURCH.

NOT ENOUGH PRIESTS TO RUN THE CHURCH.

IT'S LOSING MONEY BECAUSE OF ALL CHURCH.

IT'S LOSING MONEY BECAUSE OF ALL THE PEDOPHILIA CASES AND LOSING IT'S LOSING MONEY BECAUSE OF ALL THE PEDOPHILIA CASES AND LOSING FOLLOWERS BECAUSE IT IS NOT A THE PEDOPHILIA CASES AND LOSING FOLLOWERS BECAUSE IT IS NOT A MODERN CHURCH.

FOLLOWERS BECAUSE IT IS NOT A MODERN CHURCH.

YOU KNOW IT'S OUT OF CONTEXT OF MODERN CHURCH.

YOU KNOW IT'S OUT OF CONTEXT OF THE REALITY.

>> AND ACROSS ALL CHURCHES WHY?

THE REALITY.

>> AND ACROSS ALL CHURCHES WHY?

BECAUSE OUR COUNTRY IS BECOMING >> AND ACROSS ALL CHURCHES WHY?

BECAUSE OUR COUNTRY IS BECOMING MORE SECULAR.

EUROPE IS BECOMING MORE SECULAR.

MORE SECULAR.

EUROPE IS BECOMING MORE SECULAR.

IT'S NOT JUST THE CATHOLIC EUROPE IS BECOMING MORE SECULAR.

IT'S NOT JUST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BUT CRISIS ARE OCCURRING IT'S NOT JUST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BUT CRISIS ARE OCCURRING IN OTHER CHURCHES BECAUSE OUR CHURCH BUT CRISIS ARE OCCURRING IN OTHER CHURCHES BECAUSE OUR COUNTRIES IN EUROPE, THEY ARE IN OTHER CHURCHES BECAUSE OUR COUNTRIES IN EUROPE, THEY ARE DECIDING THEY ARE NOT GOING TO COUNTRIES IN EUROPE, THEY ARE DECIDING THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE RELIGIOUS.

DECIDING THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE RELIGIOUS.

>> AND THERE IS AN EASY WAY TO BE RELIGIOUS.

>> AND THERE IS AN EASY WAY TO SUM IT UP WHICH IS EDUCATED >> AND THERE IS AN EASY WAY TO SUM IT UP WHICH IS EDUCATED COUNTRIES WHERE THERE'S MORE SUM IT UP WHICH IS EDUCATED COUNTRIES WHERE THERE'S MORE EDUCATION IN THE ITALY, WOMEN COUNTRIES WHERE THERE'S MORE EDUCATION IN THE ITALY, WOMEN ARE HAVING 1.4 CHILDREN ON EDUCATION IN THE ITALY, WOMEN ARE HAVING 1.4 CHILDREN ON AVERAGE THAT IS THE FERTILITY ARE HAVING 1.4 CHILDREN ON AVERAGE THAT IS THE FERTILITY RATE.

AVERAGE THAT IS THE FERTILITY RATE.

THAT IS NOTHING.

RATE.

THAT IS NOTHING.

THAT IS NOT REPLACEMENT VALUE.

THAT IS NOTHING.

THAT IS NOT REPLACEMENT VALUE.

IT'S THE SEAT OF THE VATICAN THAT IS NOT REPLACEMENT VALUE.

IT'S THE SEAT OF THE VATICAN WHY?

BECAUSE WOMEN HAVE -- IT'S THE WHY?

BECAUSE WOMEN HAVE -- IT'S THE HIGHEST RATE OF PHD FEMALES IN BECAUSE WOMEN HAVE -- IT'S THE HIGHEST RATE OF PHD FEMALES IN ALL OF EUROPE HIGHEST RATE OF PHD FEMALES IN ALL OF EUROPE >> AND THE ECONOMIC PLAYS A ROLE ALL OF EUROPE >> AND THE ECONOMIC PLAYS A ROLE BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO >> AND THE ECONOMIC PLAYS A ROLE BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE MORE CHILDREN.

BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE MORE CHILDREN.

THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTORS HAVE MORE CHILDREN.

THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTORS BESIDES THE EDUCATION THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTORS BESIDES THE EDUCATION >> THE TRUTH IS EDUCATED WOMEN BESIDES THE EDUCATION >> THE TRUTH IS EDUCATED WOMEN HAVE FEWER KIDS.

>> THE TRUTH IS EDUCATED WOMEN HAVE FEWER KIDS.

BUT, BUT AND THAT IS A GLOBAL HAVE FEWER KIDS.

BUT, BUT AND THAT IS A GLOBAL TRUTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE BUT, BUT AND THAT IS A GLOBAL TRUTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

TRUTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

BUT LAST, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

BUT LAST, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PEDOPHILIA SCANDAL.

HE HASN'T REALLY -- IS ALL OF PEDOPHILIA SCANDAL.

HE HASN'T REALLY -- IS ALL OF THE REST OF THIS A WAY TO PUSH HE HASN'T REALLY -- IS ALL OF THE REST OF THIS A WAY TO PUSH THAT BEHIND THE HEADLINES?

THE REST OF THIS A WAY TO PUSH THAT BEHIND THE HEADLINES?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT SOME OF THAT BEHIND THE HEADLINES?

>> WELL, I THINK THAT SOME OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT >> WELL, I THINK THAT SOME OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THEY STILL HAVE ESSENTIALLY THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THEY STILL HAVE ESSENTIALLY LEGAL ISSUES.

THAT THEY STILL HAVE ESSENTIALLY LEGAL ISSUES.

AND CERTAINLY THE CHURCH IS NOT LEGAL ISSUES.

AND CERTAINLY THE CHURCH IS NOT GOING TO COME OUT IF THEY THINK AND CERTAINLY THE CHURCH IS NOT GOING TO COME OUT IF THEY THINK THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR GOING TO COME OUT IF THEY THINK THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR GREATER DAMAGES WITH LEGAL THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR GREATER DAMAGES WITH LEGAL COMPLAINTS THAT ARE STILL GREATER DAMAGES WITH LEGAL COMPLAINTS THAT ARE STILL PENDING.

COMPLAINTS THAT ARE STILL PENDING.

>> LET'S BE CLEAR.

PENDING.

>> LET'S BE CLEAR.

WHAT HAPPENED WAS WRONG.

>> LET'S BE CLEAR.

WHAT HAPPENED WAS WRONG.

IT WAS ILLEGAL.

WHAT HAPPENED WAS WRONG.

IT WAS ILLEGAL.

AND I CERTAINLY DO NOT SUPPORT IT WAS ILLEGAL.

AND I CERTAINLY DO NOT SUPPORT THOSE WHO MOVE PRIESTS FROM AND I CERTAINLY DO NOT SUPPORT THOSE WHO MOVE PRIESTS FROM PLACE TO PLACE TO HIDE IT.

THOSE WHO MOVE PRIESTS FROM PLACE TO PLACE TO HIDE IT.

THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPOSED PLACE TO PLACE TO HIDE IT.

THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPOSED AND KICKED OUT OF THE CHURCH.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE POPE'S AND KICKED OUT OF THE CHURCH.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE POPE'S DIALOGUE OR THE DISCUSSION IS BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE POPE'S DIALOGUE OR THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT OPENING THE DIALOGUE WITH DIALOGUE OR THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT OPENING THE DIALOGUE WITH THE WORLD AND UNDERSTANDING WHO ABOUT OPENING THE DIALOGUE WITH THE WORLD AND UNDERSTANDING WHO WE ARE AS CATHOLICS.

THE WORLD AND UNDERSTANDING WHO WE ARE AS CATHOLICS.

BECAUSE AS SO MANY OTHER WE ARE AS CATHOLICS.

BECAUSE AS SO MANY OTHER RELIGIONS, THERE IS A BECAUSE AS SO MANY OTHER RELIGIONS, THERE IS A MISINTERPRETTATION.

RELIGIONS, THERE IS A MISINTERPRETTATION.

EVANGELICALS ARE SEEN TO BE MISINTERPRETTATION.

EVANGELICALS ARE SEEN TO BE LUNATICS AND CRAZY BIBLE EVANGELICALS ARE SEEN TO BE LUNATICS AND CRAZY BIBLE THUMPERS AND CATHOLICS ARE SAID LUNATICS AND CRAZY BIBLE THUMPERS AND CATHOLICS ARE SAID THE SAME WAY.

THUMPERS AND CATHOLICS ARE SAID THE SAME WAY.

BUT WE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A THE SAME WAY.

BUT WE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A STRONG FAITH IN GOD.

AND WE WANT THE WORLD TO STRONG FAITH IN GOD.

AND WE WANT THE WORLD TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE THAT AND WE WANT THE WORLD TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE THAT FAITH AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE THAT FAITH AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE POPE WANTS TO DO FAITH AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE POPE WANTS TO DO >> ALL RIGHT.

THE POPE WANTS TO DO >> ALL RIGHT.

OUR BEHIND THE HEADLINES SEGMENT >> ALL RIGHT.

OUR BEHIND THE HEADLINES SEGMENT IS CELIBACY AND THE CATHOLIC OUR BEHIND THE HEADLINES SEGMENT IS CELIBACY AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

IS CELIBACY AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

MARY JOHNSON WAS A NUN WHO SPENT CHURCH.

MARY JOHNSON WAS A NUN WHO SPENT 20 YEARS IN MOTHER TERESA'S MARY JOHNSON WAS A NUN WHO SPENT 20 YEARS IN MOTHER TERESA'S MISSIONARIES OF CHARITY ORDER.

20 YEARS IN MOTHER TERESA'S MISSIONARIES OF CHARITY ORDER.

SHE RESIGNED AND IS A MARRIED MISSIONARIES OF CHARITY ORDER.

SHE RESIGNED AND IS A MARRIED ATHEIST AND WRITER LIVE IN THE SHE RESIGNED AND IS A MARRIED ATHEIST AND WRITER LIVE IN THE SOUTHWEST.

ATHEIST AND WRITER LIVE IN THE SOUTHWEST.

WE SPOKE WITH HER ABOUT HER SOUTHWEST.

WE SPOKE WITH HER ABOUT HER FASCINATING AND DARING BOOK, "AN WE SPOKE WITH HER ABOUT HER FASCINATING AND DARING BOOK, "AN UNQUENCHABLE THIRST" FASCINATING AND DARING BOOK, "AN UNQUENCHABLE THIRST" >> ON THE ONE HAND WE WERE UNQUENCHABLE THIRST" >> ON THE ONE HAND WE WERE TRYING TO HELP THE POOR.

>> ON THE ONE HAND WE WERE TRYING TO HELP THE POOR.

WE WERE FEEDING THEM, SHELTERING TRYING TO HELP THE POOR.

WE WERE FEEDING THEM, SHELTERING THEM, COMFORTING THEM.

BUT ON THE OTHER, MOTHER TERESA THEM, COMFORTING THEM.

BUT ON THE OTHER, MOTHER TERESA UNDERSTOOD THAT SUFFERING WAS BUT ON THE OTHER, MOTHER TERESA UNDERSTOOD THAT SUFFERING WAS WHAT BROUGHT A PERSON CLOSE TO UNDERSTOOD THAT SUFFERING WAS WHAT BROUGHT A PERSON CLOSE TO GOD.

WHAT BROUGHT A PERSON CLOSE TO GOD.

AND SHE FELT LIKE THE POOR WERE GOD.

AND SHE FELT LIKE THE POOR WERE CLOSER TO GOD BECAUSE THEY WERE AND SHE FELT LIKE THE POOR WERE CLOSER TO GOD BECAUSE THEY WERE SUFFERING MORE.

CLOSER TO GOD BECAUSE THEY WERE SUFFERING MORE.

>> MARY JOHNSON JOINED THE ORDER SUFFERING MORE.

>> MARY JOHNSON JOINED THE ORDER TO HELP THE POOR OF CALCUTTA, >> MARY JOHNSON JOINED THE ORDER TO HELP THE POOR OF CALCUTTA, INDIA.

TO HELP THE POOR OF CALCUTTA, INDIA.

INSTEAD HER TIME WAS RIFF INWITH INDIA.

INSTEAD HER TIME WAS RIFF INWITH INNER CONFLICT.

MOTHER TERESA TAUGHT NUNS NOT INNER CONFLICT.

MOTHER TERESA TAUGHT NUNS NOT JUST TO ABSTAIN FROM SEX BUT MOTHER TERESA TAUGHT NUNS NOT JUST TO ABSTAIN FROM SEX BUT AVOID TOUCHING ANYONE FOR ANY JUST TO ABSTAIN FROM SEX BUT AVOID TOUCHING ANYONE FOR ANY REASON WHENEVER POSSIBLE AVOID TOUCHING ANYONE FOR ANY REASON WHENEVER POSSIBLE >> WE WERE HAVING POOR, TWO SETS REASON WHENEVER POSSIBLE >> WE WERE HAVING POOR, TWO SETS OF CLOTHES.

>> WE WERE HAVING POOR, TWO SETS OF CLOTHES.

WASHED ONE EVERYDAY HOPED IT OF CLOTHES.

WASHED ONE EVERYDAY HOPED IT DRIED.

OBEDIENCE WE NEVER HAD ANY SAY.

DRIED.

OBEDIENCE WE NEVER HAD ANY SAY.

CHASTITY WAS EXTREME.

OBEDIENCE WE NEVER HAD ANY SAY.

CHASTITY WAS EXTREME.

WE COULD WRITE OUR FAMILIES ONCE CHASTITY WAS EXTREME.

WE COULD WRITE OUR FAMILIES ONCE A MONTH.

WE HAD TO CUTOFF ALL A MONTH.

WE HAD TO CUTOFF ALL RELATIONSHIPS WITH FRIENDS WE WE HAD TO CUTOFF ALL RELATIONSHIPS WITH FRIENDS WE HAD.

RELATIONSHIPS WITH FRIENDS WE HAD.

WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO HAD.

WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO ONE SISTER ALONE.

>> NUNS WERE ONLY ALLOWED TO ONE SISTER ALONE.

>> NUNS WERE ONLY ALLOWED TO VISIT FAMILIES ONCE EVERY 10 >> NUNS WERE ONLY ALLOWED TO VISIT FAMILIES ONCE EVERY 10 YEARS.

VISIT FAMILIES ONCE EVERY 10 YEARS.

STRONG CONNECTIONS BETWEEN NUNS YEARS.

STRONG CONNECTIONS BETWEEN NUNS WERE DISCOURAGED.

JOHNSON BEGAN A PHYSICAL WERE DISCOURAGED.

JOHNSON BEGAN A PHYSICAL RELATIONSHIP WITH ANOTHER NUN JOHNSON BEGAN A PHYSICAL RELATIONSHIP WITH ANOTHER NUN >> I WAS VERY LONELY.

RELATIONSHIP WITH ANOTHER NUN >> I WAS VERY LONELY.

THE SISTER GOT CLOSE TO ME AND >> I WAS VERY LONELY.

THE SISTER GOT CLOSE TO ME AND IT FELT GOOD.

IT WAS LIKE SOMEONE IS PAYING IT FELT GOOD.

IT WAS LIKE SOMEONE IS PAYING ATTENTION TO ME.

SOMEONE WANTS TO KNOW WHO I AM.

ATTENTION TO ME.

SOMEONE WANTS TO KNOW WHO I AM.

WANTS TO SPEND TIME WITH ME.

SOMEONE WANTS TO KNOW WHO I AM.

WANTS TO SPEND TIME WITH ME.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, I KNEW WANTS TO SPEND TIME WITH ME.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, I KNEW THAT I HAD THIS VOW OF CHASTITY AND AT THE SAME TIME, I KNEW THAT I HAD THIS VOW OF CHASTITY WHERE I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAVE THAT I HAD THIS VOW OF CHASTITY WHERE I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAVE THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP.

WHERE I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAVE THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP.

I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ONLY FOR THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP.

I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ONLY FOR JESUS.

I FELT GUILTY AND CONFLICTED JESUS.

I FELT GUILTY AND CONFLICTED STOOVMENT DEPRIVED OF COMPANY I FELT GUILTY AND CONFLICTED STOOVMENT DEPRIVED OF COMPANY AND INTIMACY JOHNSON CONTINUED STOOVMENT DEPRIVED OF COMPANY AND INTIMACY JOHNSON CONTINUED HER SECRET ENTANGLEMENTS AND INTIMACY JOHNSON CONTINUED HER SECRET ENTANGLEMENTS >> I HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH A HER SECRET ENTANGLEMENTS >> I HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH A PRIEST AS WELL AFTERWARDS.

>> I HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH A PRIEST AS WELL AFTERWARDS.

AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S PRIEST AS WELL AFTERWARDS.

AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY THAT YOU CAN AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY THAT YOU CAN REALLY HAVE A HEALTHY IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY THAT YOU CAN REALLY HAVE A HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP WITH A PRIEST REALLY HAVE A HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP WITH A PRIEST BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING RELATIONSHIP WITH A PRIEST BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING SECRET.

BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING SECRET.

>> AFTER 20 YEARS AS A NUN SECRET.

>> AFTER 20 YEARS AS A NUN JOHNSON LEFT.

>> I JUST LEFT BECAUSE I FELT JOHNSON LEFT.

>> I JUST LEFT BECAUSE I FELT SUFFOCATED AND I KNEW THAT THIS >> I JUST LEFT BECAUSE I FELT SUFFOCATED AND I KNEW THAT THIS WAS NOT A PLACE THAT I COULD SUFFOCATED AND I KNEW THAT THIS WAS NOT A PLACE THAT I COULD FLOURISH.

WAS NOT A PLACE THAT I COULD FLOURISH.

I KEPT HEARING I HEARD THE WORDS FLOURISH.

I KEPT HEARING I HEARD THE WORDS OF JESUS IN MY MIND.

I CAME THAT THEY MAY HAVE LIFE OF JESUS IN MY MIND.

I CAME THAT THEY MAY HAVE LIFE AND HAVE IT TO THE FULL.

AND I FELT LIKE MY LIFE WAS NOT AND HAVE IT TO THE FULL.

AND I FELT LIKE MY LIFE WAS NOT FULL AND I FELT LIKE MY LIFE WAS NOT FULL >> NOW, JOHNSON IS AN ATHEIST.

FULL >> NOW, JOHNSON IS AN ATHEIST.

SHE WANTS TO CALL ATTENTION TO >> NOW, JOHNSON IS AN ATHEIST.

SHE WANTS TO CALL ATTENTION TO THE ISSUE OF CHURCH CELIBACY SHE WANTS TO CALL ATTENTION TO THE ISSUE OF CHURCH CELIBACY >> WE ALL HAVE THE NEEDS FOR THE ISSUE OF CHURCH CELIBACY >> WE ALL HAVE THE NEEDS FOR INTIMACY TO LOVE AND TO BE LOVED >> WE ALL HAVE THE NEEDS FOR INTIMACY TO LOVE AND TO BE LOVED TO BE KNOWN BY ANOTHER PERSON INTIMACY TO LOVE AND TO BE LOVED TO BE KNOWN BY ANOTHER PERSON THERE IS NO THEOLOGICAL BARRIER TO BE KNOWN BY ANOTHER PERSON THERE IS NO THEOLOGICAL BARRIER TO HAVING A MARRIED CLERGY.

THERE IS NO THEOLOGICAL BARRIER TO HAVING A MARRIED CLERGY.

AND I HOPE THAT THAT MIGHT TO HAVING A MARRIED CLERGY.

AND I HOPE THAT THAT MIGHT CHANGE.

>> EVEN IN DEATH, MOTHER TERESA CHANGE.

>> EVEN IN DEATH, MOTHER TERESA IS ONE OF THE WORLD'S MOST >> EVEN IN DEATH, MOTHER TERESA IS ONE OF THE WORLD'S MOST RESPECTED WOMEN.

IS ONE OF THE WORLD'S MOST RESPECTED WOMEN.

SHE WON A NOBEL PEACE PRIZE RESPECTED WOMEN.

SHE WON A NOBEL PEACE PRIZE AMONG MANY AWARDS DURING HER SHE WON A NOBEL PEACE PRIZE AMONG MANY AWARDS DURING HER LIFETIME.

AMONG MANY AWARDS DURING HER LIFETIME.

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS MOVING LIFETIME.

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS MOVING TOWARD MAKING HER A SAINT.

WHILE JOHNSON ADMIRED MOTHER TOWARD MAKING HER A SAINT.

WHILE JOHNSON ADMIRED MOTHER TERESA'S CHARITABLE WORK SHE WAS WHILE JOHNSON ADMIRED MOTHER TERESA'S CHARITABLE WORK SHE WAS DISAPPOINTED BY OTHER FACTORS TERESA'S CHARITABLE WORK SHE WAS DISAPPOINTED BY OTHER FACTORS >> SHE WAS THE ONLY WOMEN IN THE DISAPPOINTED BY OTHER FACTORS >> SHE WAS THE ONLY WOMEN IN THE CHURCH WITH ENOUGH POLITICAL >> SHE WAS THE ONLY WOMEN IN THE CHURCH WITH ENOUGH POLITICAL CAPITAL WHERE THE POPE AND THE CHURCH WITH ENOUGH POLITICAL CAPITAL WHERE THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS WOULD LISTEN TO HER.

CAPITAL WHERE THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS WOULD LISTEN TO HER.

BUT SHE NEVER DISAGREED WITH BISHOPS WOULD LISTEN TO HER.

BUT SHE NEVER DISAGREED WITH THEM.

SHE FELT THAT HER PLACE WAS TO THEM.

SHE FELT THAT HER PLACE WAS TO OBEY THEM AND SHE SAID WHATEVER SHE FELT THAT HER PLACE WAS TO OBEY THEM AND SHE SAID WHATEVER THE CHURCH TEACHES THAT WHAT I OBEY THEM AND SHE SAID WHATEVER THE CHURCH TEACHES THAT WHAT I AM GOING TO BELIEVE.

THE CHURCH TEACHES THAT WHAT I AM GOING TO BELIEVE.

AND THAT IS HOW SHE GOT ON IN AM GOING TO BELIEVE.

AND THAT IS HOW SHE GOT ON IN THE WORLD BUT I DO NOT THINK IT AND THAT IS HOW SHE GOT ON IN THE WORLD BUT I DO NOT THINK IT WAS A SERVICE TO WOMEN OR TO THE THE WORLD BUT I DO NOT THINK IT WAS A SERVICE TO WOMEN OR TO THE POOR.

WAS A SERVICE TO WOMEN OR TO THE POOR.

>> WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT HOW POOR.

>> WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT HOW STRICT -- NOT SEE YOUR FAMILY >> WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT HOW STRICT -- NOT SEE YOUR FAMILY BUT EVERY 10 YEARS?

STRICT -- NOT SEE YOUR FAMILY BUT EVERY 10 YEARS?

I MEAN WAS MOTHER TERESA VERY BUT EVERY 10 YEARS?

I MEAN WAS MOTHER TERESA VERY GOOD TO HER SUBORDINATES?

>> I AM NOT ONE TO QUESTION HOW GOOD TO HER SUBORDINATES?

>> I AM NOT ONE TO QUESTION HOW MOTHER TERESA OR ANY ORDER IS >> I AM NOT ONE TO QUESTION HOW MOTHER TERESA OR ANY ORDER IS RUN THAT IS NOT MY PLACE.

MOTHER TERESA OR ANY ORDER IS RUN THAT IS NOT MY PLACE.

I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THE RUN THAT IS NOT MY PLACE.

I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THE MEMOIR.

AND YOU KNOW, A MEMOIR IS ABOUT MEMOIR.

AND YOU KNOW, A MEMOIR IS ABOUT YOUR PERCEPTION OF YOUR LIFE AND AND YOU KNOW, A MEMOIR IS ABOUT YOUR PERCEPTION OF YOUR LIFE AND THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN YOUR YOUR PERCEPTION OF YOUR LIFE AND THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN YOUR LIFE.

THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN YOUR LIFE.

SO I'M NOT QUESTIONING WHETHER LIFE.

SO I'M NOT QUESTIONING WHETHER THEY DID OR DID NOT HAPPEN IN SO I'M NOT QUESTIONING WHETHER THEY DID OR DID NOT HAPPEN IN HER LIFE BUT I THINK SOMETHING THEY DID OR DID NOT HAPPEN IN HER LIFE BUT I THINK SOMETHING THAT SHE DID NOT DISCUSS IS THAT HER LIFE BUT I THINK SOMETHING THAT SHE DID NOT DISCUSS IS THAT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU FEEL YOU THAT SHE DID NOT DISCUSS IS THAT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU FEEL YOU HAVE A CALLING WHETHER IT'S TO YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU FEEL YOU HAVE A CALLING WHETHER IT'S TO BE A PRIEST OR PREACHER OR NUN HAVE A CALLING WHETHER IT'S TO BE A PRIEST OR PREACHER OR NUN AND THERE IS A TIME THAT YOU BE A PRIEST OR PREACHER OR NUN AND THERE IS A TIME THAT YOU REALIZE MAYBE I DON'T HAVE THAT AND THERE IS A TIME THAT YOU REALIZE MAYBE I DON'T HAVE THAT CALLING AND I NEED TO STEP BACK.

REALIZE MAYBE I DON'T HAVE THAT CALLING AND I NEED TO STEP BACK.

AND SHE WAS IN A POSITION THAT CALLING AND I NEED TO STEP BACK.

AND SHE WAS IN A POSITION THAT SHE KNEW EARLY ON SHE SHOULD AND SHE WAS IN A POSITION THAT SHE KNEW EARLY ON SHE SHOULD HAVE STEPPED BACK AND DIDN'T.

SHE KNEW EARLY ON SHE SHOULD HAVE STEPPED BACK AND DIDN'T.

THE THING SHE DISCUSSES IN THE HAVE STEPPED BACK AND DIDN'T.

THE THING SHE DISCUSSES IN THE BOOK ABOUT THERE WAS A PREDATOR, THE THING SHE DISCUSSES IN THE BOOK ABOUT THERE WAS A PREDATOR, SHE IS SAYINGS IT WAS A PREDATOR BOOK ABOUT THERE WAS A PREDATOR, SHE IS SAYINGS IT WAS A PREDATOR FELLOW NUN ON OTHER PEOPLE.

SHE IS SAYINGS IT WAS A PREDATOR FELLOW NUN ON OTHER PEOPLE.

SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPOSED AND FELLOW NUN ON OTHER PEOPLE.

SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPOSED AND TAKEN OUT OF THE ORDER.

THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT OF THE ORDER.

THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.

>> AGREE?

ADDRESSED.

>> AGREE?

DISAGREE?

>> AGREE?

DISAGREE?

AND THE THING ABOUT CELIBACY IS DISAGREE?

AND THE THING ABOUT CELIBACY IS IT JUST NOT GOING TO WORK?

>> I THINK THIS IS WHERE WHAT IT JUST NOT GOING TO WORK?

>> I THINK THIS IS WHERE WHAT YOU SEE IS THIS DIVISION BETWEEN >> I THINK THIS IS WHERE WHAT YOU SEE IS THIS DIVISION BETWEEN WHAT IS GOD AND WHAT IS MAN.

YOU SEE IS THIS DIVISION BETWEEN WHAT IS GOD AND WHAT IS MAN.

AND WHEN I SAY THAT WHAT I MEAN WHAT IS GOD AND WHAT IS MAN.

AND WHEN I SAY THAT WHAT I MEAN IS THAT GOD AT THE SORT OF AND WHEN I SAY THAT WHAT I MEAN IS THAT GOD AT THE SORT OF SPIRITUAL LEVEL IS ABOUT LOVE.

IS THAT GOD AT THE SORT OF SPIRITUAL LEVEL IS ABOUT LOVE.

AND SORT OF MAN AND HUMAN BEINGS SPIRITUAL LEVEL IS ABOUT LOVE.

AND SORT OF MAN AND HUMAN BEINGS ARE ABOUT POWER.

SO THE PROBLEM IS THERE IS ARE ABOUT POWER.

SO THE PROBLEM IS THERE IS ALWAYS -- SO THE PROBLEM IS THERE IS ALWAYS -- >> THEY ARE ALSO ABOUT HORMONES ALWAYS -- >> THEY ARE ALSO ABOUT HORMONES >> AND THERE'S THIS TENSION >> THEY ARE ALSO ABOUT HORMONES >> AND THERE'S THIS TENSION BETWEEN SORT OF SURRENDERING TO >> AND THERE'S THIS TENSION BETWEEN SORT OF SURRENDERING TO GOD AND ALLOWING HUMAN BEINGS TO BETWEEN SORT OF SURRENDERING TO GOD AND ALLOWING HUMAN BEINGS TO CONTROL WHAT THAT MEANS.

GOD AND ALLOWING HUMAN BEINGS TO CONTROL WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND I THINK THAT SOME OF WHAT CONTROL WHAT THAT MEANS.

AND I THINK THAT SOME OF WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WHEN HUMAN AND I THINK THAT SOME OF WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WHEN HUMAN BEINGS ARE IN CONTROL OF WHAT IT YOU SEE HERE IS WHEN HUMAN BEINGS ARE IN CONTROL OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE FAITHFUL TO GOD, BEINGS ARE IN CONTROL OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE FAITHFUL TO GOD, THERE BECOME THESE HUGE PROBLEMS MEANS TO BE FAITHFUL TO GOD, THERE BECOME THESE HUGE PROBLEMS >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ALSO, THERE BECOME THESE HUGE PROBLEMS >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ALSO, THERE IS AN ARTICLE THAT CAME >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ALSO, THERE IS AN ARTICLE THAT CAME OUT IN THE "WASHINGTON POST" A THERE IS AN ARTICLE THAT CAME OUT IN THE "WASHINGTON POST" A BLOG FROM FATHER O'BRIEN, A OUT IN THE "WASHINGTON POST" A BLOG FROM FATHER O'BRIEN, A JESUIT PRIEST AND CHOSE TO LIVE BLOG FROM FATHER O'BRIEN, A JESUIT PRIEST AND CHOSE TO LIVE A CELIBATE LIFE.

JESUIT PRIEST AND CHOSE TO LIVE A CELIBATE LIFE.

THE PEOPLE MAKE THE COMMITMENT A CELIBATE LIFE.

THE PEOPLE MAKE THE COMMITMENT TO GODMENT YOU MIGHT NOT THE PEOPLE MAKE THE COMMITMENT TO GODMENT YOU MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IT.

TO GODMENT YOU MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IT.

BUT IT IS WHAT THEY FEEL IS UNDERSTAND IT.

BUT IT IS WHAT THEY FEEL IS THEIR CALLING AND THEIR VOCATION BUT IT IS WHAT THEY FEEL IS THEIR CALLING AND THEIR VOCATION AND HE SAID THAT HE WAS IN A THEIR CALLING AND THEIR VOCATION AND HE SAID THAT HE WAS IN A COMMITTED ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP AND HE SAID THAT HE WAS IN A COMMITTED ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP BEFORE HE WAS 29.

COMMITTED ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP BEFORE HE WAS 29.

AND HE WAS WORKING HIS JOB AND BEFORE HE WAS 29.

AND HE WAS WORKING HIS JOB AND HE FELT UNFULFILLED.

AND NOW HE IS 46 YEARS OLD AND HE FELT UNFULFILLED.

AND NOW HE IS 46 YEARS OLD AND SAYS LOOK I HAVE MY STRUGGLES AND NOW HE IS 46 YEARS OLD AND SAYS LOOK I HAVE MY STRUGGLES WITH MY VOWS ONCE IN A WHILE.

SAYS LOOK I HAVE MY STRUGGLES WITH MY VOWS ONCE IN A WHILE.

I'M HUMAN BUT I'VE MADE A CHOICE WITH MY VOWS ONCE IN A WHILE.

I'M HUMAN BUT I'VE MADE A CHOICE THIS IS A CHOICE.

NO ONE IS FORCING THE WOMEN TO THIS IS A CHOICE.

NO ONE IS FORCING THE WOMEN TO BE IN THE MISSIONARY.

THEY CAN GET OUT.

BE IN THE MISSIONARY.

THEY CAN GET OUT.

WOMEN HAVE THE CHOICES.

THEY CAN GET OUT.

WOMEN HAVE THE CHOICES.

AND SO HE THEN DECIDED I CAN I WOMEN HAVE THE CHOICES.

AND SO HE THEN DECIDED I CAN I AM FINE BEING CELIBATE.

I AM FULLY SERVING GOD AND THE AM FINE BEING CELIBATE.

I AM FULLY SERVING GOD AND THE PEOPLE THAT HE SERVES IN I AM FULLY SERVING GOD AND THE PEOPLE THAT HE SERVES IN GEORGETOWN PEOPLE THAT HE SERVES IN GEORGETOWN >> WELL, I'M NOT DISAGREEING GEORGETOWN >> WELL, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU AND THAT IS TRUE AND >> WELL, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU AND THAT IS TRUE AND SEXUALITY HAS MANY DIMENSIONS WITH YOU AND THAT IS TRUE AND SEXUALITY HAS MANY DIMENSIONS AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE ACT SEXUALITY HAS MANY DIMENSIONS AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE ACT DIFFERENTLY TO CELIBACY AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE ACT DIFFERENTLY TO CELIBACY >> AND THE SAME PEOPLE ACT DIFFERENTLY TO CELIBACY >> AND THE SAME PEOPLE ACT DIFFERENTLY IN DIFFERENT STAGES >> AND THE SAME PEOPLE ACT DIFFERENTLY IN DIFFERENT STAGES OF THEIR LIFE DIFFERENTLY IN DIFFERENT STAGES OF THEIR LIFE >> EXACTLY.

OF THEIR LIFE >> EXACTLY.

BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT KUDOS TO >> EXACTLY.

BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT KUDOS TO HER FOR TELLING THE STORY.

SHE TOLD A VERY CONTROVERSIAL HER FOR TELLING THE STORY.

SHE TOLD A VERY CONTROVERSIAL STORY AND SHE IS PUTTING ON THE SHE TOLD A VERY CONTROVERSIAL STORY AND SHE IS PUTTING ON THE TABLE THE INSIDE OF WHAT IT IS STORY AND SHE IS PUTTING ON THE TABLE THE INSIDE OF WHAT IT IS LIKE TO TRY TO LEAD A CELIBATE TABLE THE INSIDE OF WHAT IT IS LIKE TO TRY TO LEAD A CELIBATE LIFE.

LIKE TO TRY TO LEAD A CELIBATE LIFE.

AND WE HAVE TO AGREE THAT THE LIFE.

AND WE HAVE TO AGREE THAT THE PEDOPHELIA CASES ARE LINKED TO T AND WE HAVE TO AGREE THAT THE PEDOPHELIA CASES ARE LINKED TO T AND THE RUMOR THAT THE GAY SONS PEDOPHELIA CASES ARE LINKED TO T AND THE RUMOR THAT THE GAY SONS OF THE IRISH FAMILIES WOULD END AND THE RUMOR THAT THE GAY SONS OF THE IRISH FAMILIES WOULD END UP PRIESTS AND HOW DID THEY OF THE IRISH FAMILIES WOULD END UP PRIESTS AND HOW DID THEY MANIFEST THEIR SEXUALITY?

UP PRIESTS AND HOW DID THEY MANIFEST THEIR SEXUALITY?

I WOULD SAY THE URBAN MYTH BUT MANIFEST THEIR SEXUALITY?

I WOULD SAY THE URBAN MYTH BUT IT IS THERE.

SO YOU KNOW IT IS A HARD BALANCE IT IS THERE.

SO YOU KNOW IT IS A HARD BALANCE TO SUE PRESS YOUR SEXUALITY IT SO YOU KNOW IT IS A HARD BALANCE TO SUE PRESS YOUR SEXUALITY IT IS NOT A HOLY SITUATION BASED ON TO SUE PRESS YOUR SEXUALITY IT IS NOT A HOLY SITUATION BASED ON THAT.

IS NOT A HOLY SITUATION BASED ON THAT.

THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE THAT.

THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE PEDOPHELIA CASES IT IS A THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE PEDOPHELIA CASES IT IS A TERRIBLE RULE TO HAVE.

PEDOPHELIA CASES IT IS A TERRIBLE RULE TO HAVE.

>> AND BECAUSE LIKE WE THINK TERRIBLE RULE TO HAVE.

>> AND BECAUSE LIKE WE THINK BACK TO THE MIDDLE AGES SOMEHOW >> AND BECAUSE LIKE WE THINK BACK TO THE MIDDLE AGES SOMEHOW THEY WERE ABLE TO STAY CELIBATE BACK TO THE MIDDLE AGES SOMEHOW THEY WERE ABLE TO STAY CELIBATE AND NOT HAVE ALL THE SCANDALS.

THEY WERE ABLE TO STAY CELIBATE AND NOT HAVE ALL THE SCANDALS.

THE REAL DIFFERENCE IS AND NOT HAVE ALL THE SCANDALS.

THE REAL DIFFERENCE IS COMMUNICATION.

BACK THEN THERE WAS NONE AND YOU COMMUNICATION.

BACK THEN THERE WAS NONE AND YOU COULD RUN A BOYS CHOIR AND DO BACK THEN THERE WAS NONE AND YOU COULD RUN A BOYS CHOIR AND DO WHAT YOU WANTED TO THE KIDS AND COULD RUN A BOYS CHOIR AND DO WHAT YOU WANTED TO THE KIDS AND IT WOULD NOT GET INTO THE WHAT YOU WANTED TO THE KIDS AND IT WOULD NOT GET INTO THE NEWSPAPER OR TWITTER OR ANYTHING IT WOULD NOT GET INTO THE NEWSPAPER OR TWITTER OR ANYTHING OF THAT NEWSPAPER OR TWITTER OR ANYTHING OF THAT >> AND IN AMERICA IT'S FAMOUS OF THAT >> AND IN AMERICA IT'S FAMOUS THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF PAIR GAY >> AND IN AMERICA IT'S FAMOUS THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF PAIR GAY WAS THE PRIEST AND HE HAD KIDS THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF PAIR GAY WAS THE PRIEST AND HE HAD KIDS GALORE.

WAS THE PRIEST AND HE HAD KIDS GALORE.

IT'S KNOWN THAT THE PRIESTS WERE GALORE.

IT'S KNOWN THAT THE PRIESTS WERE NOT CELIBATE.

>> BUT YOU KNOW, CELIBACY, THE NOT CELIBATE.

>> BUT YOU KNOW, CELIBACY, THE RULE OF CELIBACY IS NOT PART OF >> BUT YOU KNOW, CELIBACY, THE RULE OF CELIBACY IS NOT PART OF THE DOGMA IT IS A TRADITION.

RULE OF CELIBACY IS NOT PART OF THE DOGMA IT IS A TRADITION.

>> IT STARTED IN THE THIRD THE DOGMA IT IS A TRADITION.

>> IT STARTED IN THE THIRD CENTURY?

>> THE MIDDLE AGES.

CENTURY?

>> THE MIDDLE AGES.

AND THERE WERE PRIESTS THAT WERE >> THE MIDDLE AGES.

AND THERE WERE PRIESTS THAT WERE MARRYING.

AND POPES THAT WERE MARRYING.

MARRYING.

AND POPES THAT WERE MARRYING.

THIS IS COME DOWN THE LINE INTO AND POPES THAT WERE MARRYING.

THIS IS COME DOWN THE LINE INTO THE POINT WHERE CELIBACY HAS THIS IS COME DOWN THE LINE INTO THE POINT WHERE CELIBACY HAS BEEN ACCEPTED.

THE POINT WHERE CELIBACY HAS BEEN ACCEPTED.

AND AGAIN AS MARCY SAID NO ONE BEEN ACCEPTED.

AND AGAIN AS MARCY SAID NO ONE IS FORCED TO DO THIS IF THEY AND AGAIN AS MARCY SAID NO ONE IS FORCED TO DO THIS IF THEY HAVE DECIDED THEY WANT TO TAKE IS FORCED TO DO THIS IF THEY HAVE DECIDED THEY WANT TO TAKE THE VOWS HAVE DECIDED THEY WANT TO TAKE THE VOWS >> BUT THERE AREN'T AT LEAST IN THE VOWS >> BUT THERE AREN'T AT LEAST IN THE STATES AND EUROPE THERE ARE >> BUT THERE AREN'T AT LEAST IN THE STATES AND EUROPE THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH SIGNING UP THE STATES AND EUROPE THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH SIGNING UP >> BUT WHAT I DID WANT TO SAY IS NOT ENOUGH SIGNING UP >> BUT WHAT I DID WANT TO SAY IS EVERY PERSON THAT IS CELIBATE IS >> BUT WHAT I DID WANT TO SAY IS EVERY PERSON THAT IS CELIBATE IS NOT GOING TO BE A PEDOPHILE OR A EVERY PERSON THAT IS CELIBATE IS NOT GOING TO BE A PEDOPHILE OR A RAPIST OR PREDATOR.

NOT GOING TO BE A PEDOPHILE OR A RAPIST OR PREDATOR.

>> BUT THE LARGE PER TADGES OF RAPIST OR PREDATOR.

>> BUT THE LARGE PER TADGES OF THEM WILL HAVE SEX IN SOME WAY >> BUT THE LARGE PER TADGES OF THEM WILL HAVE SEX IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM THEM WILL HAVE SEX IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM >> MOST OF THE RESEARCH ON SHAPE OR FORM >> MOST OF THE RESEARCH ON PEDOPHELIA AND WHO BECOMES THESE >> MOST OF THE RESEARCH ON PEDOPHELIA AND WHO BECOMES THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ABUSED PEDOPHELIA AND WHO BECOMES THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ABUSED THEMSELVES.

ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ABUSED THEMSELVES.

THIS IS PSYCHOLOGICAL THEMSELVES.

THIS IS PSYCHOLOGICAL REPLICATION.

>> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT REPLICATION.

>> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PEDOPHELIA JUST PRIESTS AND NUNS >> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PEDOPHELIA JUST PRIESTS AND NUNS HAVING SEX NOT WITH CHILDREN PEDOPHELIA JUST PRIESTS AND NUNS HAVING SEX NOT WITH CHILDREN >> AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU ARE HAVING SEX NOT WITH CHILDREN >> AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CELIBACY >> AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CELIBACY GENERALLY, I MEAN, AGAIN, I TAKE TALKING ABOUT CELIBACY GENERALLY, I MEAN, AGAIN, I TAKE IT BACK TO THIS ISSUE OF CONTROL GENERALLY, I MEAN, AGAIN, I TAKE IT BACK TO THIS ISSUE OF CONTROL AND POWER.

IT BACK TO THIS ISSUE OF CONTROL AND POWER.

BECAUSE A LOT OF IT DOES HAVE TO AND POWER.

BECAUSE A LOT OF IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH HUMAN BELIEFS AROUND THE BECAUSE A LOT OF IT DOES HAVE TO DO WITH HUMAN BELIEFS AROUND THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T WANT DO WITH HUMAN BELIEFS AROUND THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO HAVE DIVIDED FACT THAT YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO HAVE DIVIDED LOYALTIES.

SOMEBODY TO HAVE DIVIDED LOYALTIES.

SO YOU WANT THAT PERSON'S LOYALTIES.

SO YOU WANT THAT PERSON'S COMPLETE LOYALTY TO JESUS CHRIST SO YOU WANT THAT PERSON'S COMPLETE LOYALTY TO JESUS CHRIST AND TO THE CHURCH ITSELF COMPLETE LOYALTY TO JESUS CHRIST AND TO THE CHURCH ITSELF >> AND THE NUNS I REALLY WISH AND TO THE CHURCH ITSELF >> AND THE NUNS I REALLY WISH THERE WOULD BE A NUN AND PRIEST >> AND THE NUNS I REALLY WISH THERE WOULD BE A NUN AND PRIEST TO REALLY ENGAGE IN MORE OF A THERE WOULD BE A NUN AND PRIEST TO REALLY ENGAGE IN MORE OF A THEOLOGICAL CONVERSATION ABOUT TO REALLY ENGAGE IN MORE OF A THEOLOGICAL CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

THEOLOGICAL CONVERSATION ABOUT IT.

BUT I'VE MET SO MANY NUNS AND IT.

BUT I'VE MET SO MANY NUNS AND BEEN SO BLESSED SOME HAVE TAUGHT BUT I'VE MET SO MANY NUNS AND BEEN SO BLESSED SOME HAVE TAUGHT MY CHILDREN AND THEY FEEL THEY BEEN SO BLESSED SOME HAVE TAUGHT MY CHILDREN AND THEY FEEL THEY ARE MARRIED TO CHRIST.

MY CHILDREN AND THEY FEEL THEY ARE MARRIED TO CHRIST.

YOU MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IT, ARE MARRIED TO CHRIST.

YOU MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IT, BONNIE BUT IT IS THE MIST YOU MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IT, BONNIE BUT IT IS THE MIST INDUSTRY OF THEIR -- MYSTERY OF BONNIE BUT IT IS THE MIST INDUSTRY OF THEIR -- MYSTERY OF THEIR LIVES THAT THEY DECIDED INDUSTRY OF THEIR -- MYSTERY OF THEIR LIVES THAT THEY DECIDED I'M GOING TO MARRY JESUS AND THEIR LIVES THAT THEY DECIDED I'M GOING TO MARRY JESUS AND THAT CAN BE ODD FOR PEOPLE THAT I'M GOING TO MARRY JESUS AND THAT CAN BE ODD FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT CATHOLIC BUT FOR THE THAT CAN BE ODD FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT CATHOLIC BUT FOR THE LADIES THAT DECIDED I WILL MAKE ARE NOT CATHOLIC BUT FOR THE LADIES THAT DECIDED I WILL MAKE THIS COMMITMENT -- LADIES THAT DECIDED I WILL MAKE THIS COMMITMENT -- >> WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE THIS COMMITMENT -- >> WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE CELIBATE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO >> WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE CELIBATE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO RUN A CHURCH?

CELIBATE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO RUN A CHURCH?

I MEAN THAT IS WHY -- THAT IS RUN A CHURCH?

I MEAN THAT IS WHY -- THAT IS FINE FOR THAT NUN.

AND MARRIED TO CHRIST.

FINE FOR THAT NUN.

AND MARRIED TO CHRIST.

THE PROBLEM IS HOW DO YOU RUN A AND MARRIED TO CHRIST.

THE PROBLEM IS HOW DO YOU RUN A CHURCH THAT WAY?

>> SOME PEOPLE SAY AND TALKING CHURCH THAT WAY?

>> SOME PEOPLE SAY AND TALKING TO A REVEREND FRIEND OF MINE AND >> SOME PEOPLE SAY AND TALKING TO A REVEREND FRIEND OF MINE AND HE SAYS WHEN I HAVE TO MANAGE MY TO A REVEREND FRIEND OF MINE AND HE SAYS WHEN I HAVE TO MANAGE MY FAMILY AND I HAVE THE CRISIS OF HE SAYS WHEN I HAVE TO MANAGE MY FAMILY AND I HAVE THE CRISIS OF MY PEOPLE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

FAMILY AND I HAVE THE CRISIS OF MY PEOPLE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

I'M DIVIDED.

MY PEOPLE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

I'M DIVIDED.

WHEN YOU HAVE THE PRIEST THE I'M DIVIDED.

WHEN YOU HAVE THE PRIEST THE PRIEST IS ON CALL FOR YOU WHEN WHEN YOU HAVE THE PRIEST THE PRIEST IS ON CALL FOR YOU WHEN THERE IS A MARRIAGE AND A PRIEST IS ON CALL FOR YOU WHEN THERE IS A MARRIAGE AND A BAPTISM AND A DEATH.

THERE IS A MARRIAGE AND A BAPTISM AND A DEATH.

I MEAN HE IS THERE FOR YOU.

BAPTISM AND A DEATH.

I MEAN HE IS THERE FOR YOU.

I MEAN LITERALLY.

I MEAN HE IS THERE FOR YOU.

I MEAN LITERALLY.

I CALLED MY PRIEST AND I GOT A I MEAN LITERALLY.

I CALLED MY PRIEST AND I GOT A CALL 30 MINUTES LATER.

HIS HIS COMMITMENT TO HIS CALL 30 MINUTES LATER.

HIS HIS COMMITMENT TO HIS PARISHIONERS AND TO THE LORD AND HIS HIS COMMITMENT TO HIS PARISHIONERS AND TO THE LORD AND THAT IS WHY THEY MAKE THAT VOW PARISHIONERS AND TO THE LORD AND THAT IS WHY THEY MAKE THAT VOW AND IT IS A TOUGH VOW AND THAT IS WHY THEY MAKE THAT VOW AND IT IS A TOUGH VOW AND COUNTER CULTURAL VOW AND WE AND IT IS A TOUGH VOW AND COUNTER CULTURAL VOW AND WE MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IT BUT IT COUNTER CULTURAL VOW AND WE MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IT BUT IT IS WHAT THEY HAVE COMMITTED MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND IT BUT IT IS WHAT THEY HAVE COMMITTED THEIR LIVES TO AND HOW BEST THEY IS WHAT THEY HAVE COMMITTED THEIR LIVES TO AND HOW BEST THEY FEEL THEY SERVE GOD AND THEIR THEIR LIVES TO AND HOW BEST THEY FEEL THEY SERVE GOD AND THEIR LIVES ARE FULFILLED.

FEEL THEY SERVE GOD AND THEIR LIVES ARE FULFILLED.

>> LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

LIVES ARE FULFILLED.

>> LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

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FROM THE CONVENTS TO POLITICAL CONVERTS.

WOMEN ARE SLOWLY INCREASING OUR CONVERTS.

WOMEN ARE SLOWLY INCREASING OUR RANKS IN NATIONAL OFFICE BUT AS WOMEN ARE SLOWLY INCREASING OUR RANKS IN NATIONAL OFFICE BUT AS MAJOR POLITICAL DONORS NOT SO RANKS IN NATIONAL OFFICE BUT AS MAJOR POLITICAL DONORS NOT SO MUCH.

MAJOR POLITICAL DONORS NOT SO MUCH.

ONLY 11% OF THE TOP 100 DON FORS MUCH.

ONLY 11% OF THE TOP 100 DON FORS IN THE 2012 ELECTION CYCLE WERE ONLY 11% OF THE TOP 100 DON FORS IN THE 2012 ELECTION CYCLE WERE WOMEN.

IN THE 2012 ELECTION CYCLE WERE WOMEN.

WHAT IS MORE SURPRISING THAT WOMEN.

WHAT IS MORE SURPRISING THAT NUMBER IS JUST MORE THAN HALF OR WHAT IS MORE SURPRISING THAT NUMBER IS JUST MORE THAN HALF OR LOWER THAN IT WAS IN 1990, TWO NUMBER IS JUST MORE THAN HALF OR LOWER THAN IT WAS IN 1990, TWO ACADEMIES EARLIERMENT WHILE -- LOWER THAN IT WAS IN 1990, TWO ACADEMIES EARLIERMENT WHILE -- DECADESLEER.

ACADEMIES EARLIERMENT WHILE -- DECADESLEER.

WHILE THE PERCENTAGE INCREASED DECADESLEER.

WHILE THE PERCENTAGE INCREASED IT'S DONE SO ONLY SLIGHTLIMENT WHILE THE PERCENTAGE INCREASED IT'S DONE SO ONLY SLIGHTLIMENT THE DONOR GAP IS HOLDING STEADY.

IT'S DONE SO ONLY SLIGHTLIMENT THE DONOR GAP IS HOLDING STEADY.

NOT ONLY DO MEN DONATE MORE THE DONOR GAP IS HOLDING STEADY.

NOT ONLY DO MEN DONATE MORE OFTEN THEY GENERALLY GIVE MORE NOT ONLY DO MEN DONATE MORE OFTEN THEY GENERALLY GIVE MORE MONEY.

OFTEN THEY GENERALLY GIVE MORE MONEY.

ALL RIGHT.

MONEY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO IS IT BECAUSE WOMEN DON'T ALL RIGHT.

SO IS IT BECAUSE WOMEN DON'T HAVE AS MUCH MONEY AS MEN?

WHICH THE COMMON THOUGHT IS THEY HAVE AS MUCH MONEY AS MEN?

WHICH THE COMMON THOUGHT IS THEY ARE NOT AS RICH I DON'T KNOW IF WHICH THE COMMON THOUGHT IS THEY ARE NOT AS RICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS BORN OUT IN THE DATA AT ARE NOT AS RICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS BORN OUT IN THE DATA AT ALL OR IS IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T THAT IS BORN OUT IN THE DATA AT ALL OR IS IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE TO POLITICS?

ALL OR IS IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T GIVE TO POLITICS?

>> WELL, I MEAN WHAT I'VE SEEN GIVE TO POLITICS?

>> WELL, I MEAN WHAT I'VE SEEN BOTH AS A FORMER FUNDRAISER BACK >> WELL, I MEAN WHAT I'VE SEEN BOTH AS A FORMER FUNDRAISER BACK IN THE 90s AND AS WELL AS BOTH AS A FORMER FUNDRAISER BACK IN THE 90s AND AS WELL AS SERVE IN ACADEMIC IT HAS MORE TO IN THE 90s AND AS WELL AS SERVE IN ACADEMIC IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH TWO THINGS; WOMEN'S SERVE IN ACADEMIC IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH TWO THINGS; WOMEN'S DONOR STRATEGY.

DO WITH TWO THINGS; WOMEN'S DONOR STRATEGY.

WOMEN TEND NOT TO BE STRATEGIC DONOR STRATEGY.

WOMEN TEND NOT TO BE STRATEGIC AND MORE RISK ADVERSE THAN MEN.

WHAT YOU FIND IS THEY WILL AND MORE RISK ADVERSE THAN MEN.

WHAT YOU FIND IS THEY WILL DISTRIBUTE SORT OF THE MAXIMUM WHAT YOU FIND IS THEY WILL DISTRIBUTE SORT OF THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT TO A WHOLE HOST OF DISTRIBUTE SORT OF THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT TO A WHOLE HOST OF CANDIDATES RATHER THAN IF YOU AMOUNT TO A WHOLE HOST OF CANDIDATES RATHER THAN IF YOU WILL PLACING A BIG BET ON ONE CANDIDATES RATHER THAN IF YOU WILL PLACING A BIG BET ON ONE CANDIDATE OR IN ONE WILL PLACING A BIG BET ON ONE CANDIDATE OR IN ONE ORGANIZATION.

CANDIDATE OR IN ONE ORGANIZATION.

SO THERE'S THAT SIDE OF IT.

ORGANIZATION.

SO THERE'S THAT SIDE OF IT.

AND THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT IN SO THERE'S THAT SIDE OF IT.

AND THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT IN THE 90s WE HAD SIMPLER SORT OF AND THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT IN THE 90s WE HAD SIMPLER SORT OF FINANCE LAWS.

THE 90s WE HAD SIMPLER SORT OF FINANCE LAWS.

SO THEY WERE EASIER TO NAVIGATE FINANCE LAWS.

SO THEY WERE EASIER TO NAVIGATE AND YOU REALLY DID HAVE THE SO THEY WERE EASIER TO NAVIGATE AND YOU REALLY DID HAVE THE ABILITY TO SORT OF GIVE MAXIMUM AND YOU REALLY DID HAVE THE ABILITY TO SORT OF GIVE MAXIMUM AMOUNTS TO A HOST OF CANDIDATES ABILITY TO SORT OF GIVE MAXIMUM AMOUNTS TO A HOST OF CANDIDATES AND THEN GIVE A CHUNK TO THE AMOUNTS TO A HOST OF CANDIDATES AND THEN GIVE A CHUNK TO THE PARTY AND THAT WAS IT.

AND THEN GIVE A CHUNK TO THE PARTY AND THAT WAS IT.

IT WASN'T MUCH MORE COMPLICATED.

PARTY AND THAT WAS IT.

IT WASN'T MUCH MORE COMPLICATED.

NOW, MANY HIGH DONORS ACTUALLY IT WASN'T MUCH MORE COMPLICATED.

NOW, MANY HIGH DONORS ACTUALLY HIRE FUNDRAISER TO HELP THEM NOW, MANY HIGH DONORS ACTUALLY HIRE FUNDRAISER TO HELP THEM NAVIGATE THIS INCREDIBLY COMPLEX HIRE FUNDRAISER TO HELP THEM NAVIGATE THIS INCREDIBLY COMPLEX WORLD.

NAVIGATE THIS INCREDIBLY COMPLEX WORLD.

>> AND WE KNOW WHEN THERE'S WORLD.

>> AND WE KNOW WHEN THERE'S COMPLEXITY WOMEN WILL >> AND WE KNOW WHEN THERE'S COMPLEXITY WOMEN WILL PARTICIPATE LESS BECAUSE THE COMPLEXITY WOMEN WILL PARTICIPATE LESS BECAUSE THE CULTURE AND THE TRADITION IS NOT PARTICIPATE LESS BECAUSE THE CULTURE AND THE TRADITION IS NOT THERE FOR PARTICIPATION.

CULTURE AND THE TRADITION IS NOT THERE FOR PARTICIPATION.

SO IF YOU NEED TO HIRE SOMEONE THERE FOR PARTICIPATION.

SO IF YOU NEED TO HIRE SOMEONE TO DO YOUR DONATIONS IT'S SO IF YOU NEED TO HIRE SOMEONE TO DO YOUR DONATIONS IT'S DIFFICULT.

TO DO YOUR DONATIONS IT'S DIFFICULT.

ALTHOUGH I HAVE TO SAY THAT WHEN DIFFICULT.

ALTHOUGH I HAVE TO SAY THAT WHEN I WAS READING THE PIECE, I WAS ALTHOUGH I HAVE TO SAY THAT WHEN I WAS READING THE PIECE, I WAS THINKING OF ALL MY CONNECTIONS I WAS READING THE PIECE, I WAS THINKING OF ALL MY CONNECTIONS TO POLITICAL DONATIONS IN THE THINKING OF ALL MY CONNECTIONS TO POLITICAL DONATIONS IN THE LATINO COMMUNITY WHICH IS WHERE TO POLITICAL DONATIONS IN THE LATINO COMMUNITY WHICH IS WHERE I HAVE DONATED MOST OF MY MONEY LATINO COMMUNITY WHICH IS WHERE I HAVE DONATED MOST OF MY MONEY IS WOMEN.

I HAVE DONATED MOST OF MY MONEY IS WOMEN.

I GUESS MAYBE IT'S MY LITTLE IS WOMEN.

I GUESS MAYBE IT'S MY LITTLE WORLD IT'S NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF I GUESS MAYBE IT'S MY LITTLE WORLD IT'S NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MAJORITY BUT THERE IS A WORLD IT'S NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MAJORITY BUT THERE IS A NETWORK OF LATINAS THAT IS VERY THE MAJORITY BUT THERE IS A NETWORK OF LATINAS THAT IS VERY ACTIVE NETWORK OF LATINAS THAT IS VERY ACTIVE >> LET US NOT FORGET WOMEN WHO ACTIVE >> LET US NOT FORGET WOMEN WHO ARE IN PARTNERSHIPS THAT ARE >> LET US NOT FORGET WOMEN WHO ARE IN PARTNERSHIPS THAT ARE MARRIED.

ARE IN PARTNERSHIPS THAT ARE MARRIED.

MAYBE THEY AS A COUPLE AGREE AND MARRIED.

MAYBE THEY AS A COUPLE AGREE AND THEY ARE DONATING IT TOGETHER AS MAYBE THEY AS A COUPLE AGREE AND THEY ARE DONATING IT TOGETHER AS OPPOSED TO AN INDIVIDUAL GIVING THEY ARE DONATING IT TOGETHER AS OPPOSED TO AN INDIVIDUAL GIVING HER MONEY TO A CANDIDATE.

OPPOSED TO AN INDIVIDUAL GIVING HER MONEY TO A CANDIDATE.

>> THAT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

HER MONEY TO A CANDIDATE.

>> THAT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

I THINK THIS SHOWS THAT WE HAVE >> THAT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

I THINK THIS SHOWS THAT WE HAVE TO GET MORE WOMEN ENGAGED IN I THINK THIS SHOWS THAT WE HAVE TO GET MORE WOMEN ENGAGED IN SAYING LOOK YOU DONATE YOU GET TO GET MORE WOMEN ENGAGED IN SAYING LOOK YOU DONATE YOU GET THE CANDIDATES YOU WANT IN SAYING LOOK YOU DONATE YOU GET THE CANDIDATES YOU WANT IN OFFICE.

THE CANDIDATES YOU WANT IN OFFICE.

THERE IS A OPPORTUNITY FOR OFFICE.

THERE IS A OPPORTUNITY FOR FUNDRAISER TO GET INVOLVED AND THERE IS A OPPORTUNITY FOR FUNDRAISER TO GET INVOLVED AND PULL THE WOMEN IN TO GIVE MONEY.

FUNDRAISER TO GET INVOLVED AND PULL THE WOMEN IN TO GIVE MONEY.

>> GET INVOLVED AND GENERATE PULL THE WOMEN IN TO GIVE MONEY.

>> GET INVOLVED AND GENERATE POWER FOR WOMEN.

THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION OF TO POWER FOR WOMEN.

THAT'S IT FOR THIS EDITION OF TO THE CONTRARY.

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