BETTY ROLLIN REPORTS ON THE BETTY ROLLIN REPORTS ON THE CONTENTIOUS ISSUE OF GAY BETTY ROLLIN REPORTS ON THE CONTENTIOUS ISSUE OF GAY MARRIAGE IN THE UNITED METHODIST CONTENTIOUS ISSUE OF GAY MARRIAGE IN THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, WHERE A PROMINENT MARRIAGE IN THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, WHERE A PROMINENT MINISTER AND SCHOLAR FACES A CHURCH, WHERE A PROMINENT MINISTER AND SCHOLAR FACES A POSSIBLE CHURCH TRIAL FOR MINISTER AND SCHOLAR FACES A POSSIBLE CHURCH TRIAL FOR OFFICIATING AT HIS GAY SON'S POSSIBLE CHURCH TRIAL FOR OFFICIATING AT HIS GAY SON'S WEDDING.
OFFICIATING AT HIS GAY SON'S WEDDING.
>>> ALSO, FRED DE SAM LAZARO ON WEDDING.
>>> ALSO, FRED DE SAM LAZARO ON A 1300-YEAR-OLD MANUSCRIPT, THE >>> ALSO, FRED DE SAM LAZARO ON A 1300-YEAR-OLD MANUSCRIPT, THE FIRST TRANSLATION OF THE A 1300-YEAR-OLD MANUSCRIPT, THE FIRST TRANSLATION OF THE CHRISTIAN GOSPELS FROM LATIN FIRST TRANSLATION OF THE CHRISTIAN GOSPELS FROM LATIN INTO ENGLISH, VERY OLD ENGLISH.
CHRISTIAN GOSPELS FROM LATIN INTO ENGLISH, VERY OLD ENGLISH.
>>> PLUS, A NEW EXHIBITION OF INTO ENGLISH, VERY OLD ENGLISH.
>>> PLUS, A NEW EXHIBITION OF WORKS CREATED ESPECIALLY DURING >>> PLUS, A NEW EXHIBITION OF WORKS CREATED ESPECIALLY DURING THE HOLOCAUST BY ARTIST MARC WORKS CREATED ESPECIALLY DURING THE HOLOCAUST BY ARTIST MARC CHAGALL, WHO PAINTED A CRUCIFIED THE HOLOCAUST BY ARTIST MARC CHAGALL, WHO PAINTED A CRUCIFIED JEWISH JESUS TO PERSONIFY JEWISH CHAGALL, WHO PAINTED A CRUCIFIED JEWISH JESUS TO PERSONIFY JEWISH >> WELCOME.
JEWISH JESUS TO PERSONIFY JEWISH >> WELCOME.
I'M BOB ABERNETHY.
>> WELCOME.
I'M BOB ABERNETHY.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.
I'M BOB ABERNETHY.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.
FAITH-BASED GROUPS ARE AMONG IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.
FAITH-BASED GROUPS ARE AMONG THOSE MOBILIZING TO HELP VICTIMS FAITH-BASED GROUPS ARE AMONG THOSE MOBILIZING TO HELP VICTIMS OF THE MASSIVE FLOODING IN THOSE MOBILIZING TO HELP VICTIMS OF THE MASSIVE FLOODING IN COLORADO.
OF THE MASSIVE FLOODING IN COLORADO.
AS FLOODWATERS BEGAN TO RECEDE COLORADO.
AS FLOODWATERS BEGAN TO RECEDE THIS WEEK, THE MAGNITUDE OF THE AS FLOODWATERS BEGAN TO RECEDE THIS WEEK, THE MAGNITUDE OF THE DEVASTATION STARTED COMING INTO THIS WEEK, THE MAGNITUDE OF THE DEVASTATION STARTED COMING INTO FOCUS, ALTHOUGH MANY AREAS ARE DEVASTATION STARTED COMING INTO FOCUS, ALTHOUGH MANY AREAS ARE STILL INACCESSIBLE.
FOCUS, ALTHOUGH MANY AREAS ARE STILL INACCESSIBLE.
STATE OFFICIALS ESTIMATED THAT STILL INACCESSIBLE.
STATE OFFICIALS ESTIMATED THAT MORE THAN 19,000 HOMES WERE STATE OFFICIALS ESTIMATED THAT MORE THAN 19,000 HOMES WERE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
MORE THAN 19,000 HOMES WERE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
CHURCHES SET UP SHELTERS FOR DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
CHURCHES SET UP SHELTERS FOR THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE CHURCHES SET UP SHELTERS FOR THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE EVACUATED.
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE EVACUATED.
RELIGIOUS GROUPS ARE PROVIDING EVACUATED.
RELIGIOUS GROUPS ARE PROVIDING EMERGENCY AID, ASSESSING LONG RELIGIOUS GROUPS ARE PROVIDING EMERGENCY AID, ASSESSING LONG TERM NEEDS AND CALLING FOR EMERGENCY AID, ASSESSING LONG TERM NEEDS AND CALLING FOR VOLUNTEERS.
TERM NEEDS AND CALLING FOR VOLUNTEERS.
>>> IN THE WAKE OF THIS WEEK'S VOLUNTEERS.
>>> IN THE WAKE OF THIS WEEK'S MASS SHOOTING AT THE WASHINGTON >>> IN THE WAKE OF THIS WEEK'S MASS SHOOTING AT THE WASHINGTON NAVY YARD, FAITH LEADERS CALLED MASS SHOOTING AT THE WASHINGTON NAVY YARD, FAITH LEADERS CALLED FOR PRAYERS OF CONSOLATION AND NAVY YARD, FAITH LEADERS CALLED FOR PRAYERS OF CONSOLATION AND HEALING.
FOR PRAYERS OF CONSOLATION AND HEALING.
THE TRAGEDY ALSO PROMPTED SOME HEALING.
THE TRAGEDY ALSO PROMPTED SOME IN THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY TO THE TRAGEDY ALSO PROMPTED SOME IN THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY TO RENEW CALLS FOR STRICTER IN THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY TO RENEW CALLS FOR STRICTER BACKGROUND CHECKS BEFORE GUN RENEW CALLS FOR STRICTER BACKGROUND CHECKS BEFORE GUN SALES.
BACKGROUND CHECKS BEFORE GUN SALES.
THE SHOOTER, AARON ALEXIS, WAS SALES.
THE SHOOTER, AARON ALEXIS, WAS DESCRIBED AS EXPLORING BUDDHISM THE SHOOTER, AARON ALEXIS, WAS DESCRIBED AS EXPLORING BUDDHISM PRIOR TO THE ATTACK.
DESCRIBED AS EXPLORING BUDDHISM PRIOR TO THE ATTACK.
BUDDHIST LEADERS CONDEMNED HIS PRIOR TO THE ATTACK.
BUDDHIST LEADERS CONDEMNED HIS ACTIONS.
BUDDHIST LEADERS CONDEMNED HIS ACTIONS.
>>> ACCORDING TO NEW FIGURES ACTIONS.
>>> ACCORDING TO NEW FIGURES FROM THE U.S. CENSUS BUREAU, 15% >>> ACCORDING TO NEW FIGURES FROM THE U.S. CENSUS BUREAU, 15% OF ALL AMERICANS, INCLUDING ONE FROM THE U.S. CENSUS BUREAU, 15% OF ALL AMERICANS, INCLUDING ONE IN FIVE CHILDREN, LIVED IN OF ALL AMERICANS, INCLUDING ONE IN FIVE CHILDREN, LIVED IN POVERTY LAST YEAR, VIRTUALLY NO IN FIVE CHILDREN, LIVED IN POVERTY LAST YEAR, VIRTUALLY NO IMPROVEMENT FROM 2011.
POVERTY LAST YEAR, VIRTUALLY NO IMPROVEMENT FROM 2011.
MANY RELIGIOUS LEADERS WARNED IMPROVEMENT FROM 2011.
MANY RELIGIOUS LEADERS WARNED THE NUMBERS WILL INCREASE IF MANY RELIGIOUS LEADERS WARNED THE NUMBERS WILL INCREASE IF CONGRESS DOES NOT PROTECT THE NUMBERS WILL INCREASE IF CONGRESS DOES NOT PROTECT FEDERAL FOOD PROGRAMS.
CONGRESS DOES NOT PROTECT FEDERAL FOOD PROGRAMS.
THIS WEEK, FAITH-BASED ACTIVISTS FEDERAL FOOD PROGRAMS.
THIS WEEK, FAITH-BASED ACTIVISTS URGED THE HOUSE OF THIS WEEK, FAITH-BASED ACTIVISTS URGED THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES NOT TO MOVE URGED THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES NOT TO MOVE AHEAD WITH A PLAN THAT WOULD CUT REPRESENTATIVES NOT TO MOVE AHEAD WITH A PLAN THAT WOULD CUT THE SNAP PROGRAM, FORMERLY AHEAD WITH A PLAN THAT WOULD CUT THE SNAP PROGRAM, FORMERLY CALLED FOOD STAMPS, BY THE SNAP PROGRAM, FORMERLY CALLED FOOD STAMPS, BY $40 BILLION OVER THE NEXT CALLED FOOD STAMPS, BY $40 BILLION OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
$40 BILLION OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS.
>>> IN THE MIDST OF THE JEWISH TEN YEARS.
>>> IN THE MIDST OF THE JEWISH HIGH HOLIDAY SEASON, MORE THAN >>> IN THE MIDST OF THE JEWISH HIGH HOLIDAY SEASON, MORE THAN 1,000 RABBIS AND CANTORS URGED HIGH HOLIDAY SEASON, MORE THAN 1,000 RABBIS AND CANTORS URGED CONGRESS TO FIND A WAY THROUGH 1,000 RABBIS AND CANTORS URGED CONGRESS TO FIND A WAY THROUGH THE IMPASSE ON COMPREHENSIVE CONGRESS TO FIND A WAY THROUGH THE IMPASSE ON COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM.
THE IMPASSE ON COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM.
THIS WEEK, JEWS HAVE BEEN IMMIGRATION REFORM.
THIS WEEK, JEWS HAVE BEEN CELEBRATING SUKKOT, WHICH MARKS THIS WEEK, JEWS HAVE BEEN CELEBRATING SUKKOT, WHICH MARKS THEIR ANCESTORS' EXODUS FROM CELEBRATING SUKKOT, WHICH MARKS THEIR ANCESTORS' EXODUS FROM EGYPT DURING WHICH THEY BUILT THEIR ANCESTORS' EXODUS FROM EGYPT DURING WHICH THEY BUILT TEMPORARY SHELTERS.
EGYPT DURING WHICH THEY BUILT TEMPORARY SHELTERS.
THE JEWISH LEADERS SAID THEIR TEMPORARY SHELTERS.
THE JEWISH LEADERS SAID THEIR HISTORY, ALONG WITH BIBLICAL THE JEWISH LEADERS SAID THEIR HISTORY, ALONG WITH BIBLICAL INSTRUCTIONS TO CARE FOR HISTORY, ALONG WITH BIBLICAL INSTRUCTIONS TO CARE FOR STRANGERS, COMPELLED THEM TO INSTRUCTIONS TO CARE FOR STRANGERS, COMPELLED THEM TO SPEAK OUT FOR IMMIGRATION STRANGERS, COMPELLED THEM TO SPEAK OUT FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM.
SPEAK OUT FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM.
>>> THE 68th SESSION OF THE REFORM.
>>> THE 68th SESSION OF THE UNITED NATIONS' GENERAL ASSEMBLY >>> THE 68th SESSION OF THE UNITED NATIONS' GENERAL ASSEMBLY OFFICIALLY GOT UNDERWAY IN NEW UNITED NATIONS' GENERAL ASSEMBLY OFFICIALLY GOT UNDERWAY IN NEW YORK WITH STRONG CALLS FOR WORLD OFFICIALLY GOT UNDERWAY IN NEW YORK WITH STRONG CALLS FOR WORLD PEACE.
YORK WITH STRONG CALLS FOR WORLD PEACE.
UN SECRETARY GENERAL BAN KI-MOON PEACE.
UN SECRETARY GENERAL BAN KI-MOON RANG A PEACE BELL AND CALLED FOR UN SECRETARY GENERAL BAN KI-MOON RANG A PEACE BELL AND CALLED FOR A GLOBAL CEASEFIRE.
RANG A PEACE BELL AND CALLED FOR A GLOBAL CEASEFIRE.
HE SPECIFICALLY CITED THE A GLOBAL CEASEFIRE.
HE SPECIFICALLY CITED THE SITUATION IN SYRIA, WHICH WILL HE SPECIFICALLY CITED THE SITUATION IN SYRIA, WHICH WILL BE HIGH ON THE AGENDA AS THE SITUATION IN SYRIA, WHICH WILL BE HIGH ON THE AGENDA AS THE WORLD LEADERS MEET OVER THE NEXT BE HIGH ON THE AGENDA AS THE WORLD LEADERS MEET OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS.
WORLD LEADERS MEET OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS.
AT THE VATICAN, POPE FRANCIS SEVERAL WEEKS.
AT THE VATICAN, POPE FRANCIS REPEATED HIS APPEALS FOR A AT THE VATICAN, POPE FRANCIS REPEATED HIS APPEALS FOR A DIPLOMATIC, NOT MILITARY, REPEATED HIS APPEALS FOR A DIPLOMATIC, NOT MILITARY, SOLUTION TO THE SYRIAN CRISIS.
DIPLOMATIC, NOT MILITARY, SOLUTION TO THE SYRIAN CRISIS.
>>> MEANWHILE, IN HIS FIRST SOLUTION TO THE SYRIAN CRISIS.
>>> MEANWHILE, IN HIS FIRST EXTENSIVE INTERVIEW, POPE >>> MEANWHILE, IN HIS FIRST EXTENSIVE INTERVIEW, POPE FRANCIS WARNED THAT THE CATHOLIC EXTENSIVE INTERVIEW, POPE FRANCIS WARNED THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH NEEDS A NEW BALANCE WITH FRANCIS WARNED THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH NEEDS A NEW BALANCE WITH LESS EMPHASIS ON OPPOSING CHURCH NEEDS A NEW BALANCE WITH LESS EMPHASIS ON OPPOSING ABORTION, GAY MARRIAGE AND LESS EMPHASIS ON OPPOSING ABORTION, GAY MARRIAGE AND CONTRACEPTION, AND MORE ON ABORTION, GAY MARRIAGE AND CONTRACEPTION, AND MORE ON PROCLAIMING QUOTE "THE SAVING CONTRACEPTION, AND MORE ON PROCLAIMING QUOTE "THE SAVING LOVE OF GOD" AND THE CHURCH AS A PROCLAIMING QUOTE "THE SAVING LOVE OF GOD" AND THE CHURCH AS A "HOME FOR ALL."
LOVE OF GOD" AND THE CHURCH AS A "HOME FOR ALL."
THE POPE ALSO SAID HE HAD BEEN "HOME FOR ALL."
THE POPE ALSO SAID HE HAD BEEN ASKED WHETHER HE APPROVED OF THE POPE ALSO SAID HE HAD BEEN ASKED WHETHER HE APPROVED OF HOMOSEXUALITY?
ASKED WHETHER HE APPROVED OF HOMOSEXUALITY?
HE REPLIED, "WHEN GOD LOOKS AT A HOMOSEXUALITY?
HE REPLIED, "WHEN GOD LOOKS AT A GAY PERSON DOES HE ENDORSE THE HE REPLIED, "WHEN GOD LOOKS AT A GAY PERSON DOES HE ENDORSE THE EXISTENCE OF THIS PERSON WITH GAY PERSON DOES HE ENDORSE THE EXISTENCE OF THIS PERSON WITH LOVE?"
EXISTENCE OF THIS PERSON WITH LOVE?"
THE POPE CONTINUED, "WE MUST LOVE?"
THE POPE CONTINUED, "WE MUST ALWAYS CONSIDER THE PERSON."
THE POPE CONTINUED, "WE MUST ALWAYS CONSIDER THE PERSON."
>>> THE INTERVIEW WAS PUBLISHED ALWAYS CONSIDER THE PERSON."
>>> THE INTERVIEW WAS PUBLISHED THIS WEEK IN SEVERAL JESUIT >>> THE INTERVIEW WAS PUBLISHED THIS WEEK IN SEVERAL JESUIT JOURNALS, INCLUDING "AMERICA THIS WEEK IN SEVERAL JESUIT JOURNALS, INCLUDING "AMERICA MAGAZINE."
JOURNALS, INCLUDING "AMERICA MAGAZINE."
THE ISSUE OF GAY MARRIAGE MAGAZINE."
THE ISSUE OF GAY MARRIAGE REMAINS A CONTENTIOUS ONE FOR THE ISSUE OF GAY MARRIAGE REMAINS A CONTENTIOUS ONE FOR MANY CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS, REMAINS A CONTENTIOUS ONE FOR MANY CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS, AMONG THEM THE UNITED METHODIST MANY CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS, AMONG THEM THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.
AMONG THEM THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH.
UNITED METHODIST TEACHINGS CHURCH.
UNITED METHODIST TEACHINGS DEFINE MARRIAGE AS BETWEEN A MAN UNITED METHODIST TEACHINGS DEFINE MARRIAGE AS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN, AND IN 1999, THE DEFINE MARRIAGE AS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN, AND IN 1999, THE CHURCH DEFROCKED A PASTOR FOR AND A WOMAN, AND IN 1999, THE CHURCH DEFROCKED A PASTOR FOR OFFICIATING AT A SAME-SEX CHURCH DEFROCKED A PASTOR FOR OFFICIATING AT A SAME-SEX WEDDING.
OFFICIATING AT A SAME-SEX WEDDING.
THE ISSUE HAS SPLIT THOSE WHO WEDDING.
THE ISSUE HAS SPLIT THOSE WHO CITE BIBLICAL PASSAGES AGAINST THE ISSUE HAS SPLIT THOSE WHO CITE BIBLICAL PASSAGES AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY, AND OTHERS, WHO CITE BIBLICAL PASSAGES AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY, AND OTHERS, WHO SEE JESUS' INCLUSIVE VISION AS HOMOSEXUALITY, AND OTHERS, WHO SEE JESUS' INCLUSIVE VISION AS WELCOMING ALL.
SEE JESUS' INCLUSIVE VISION AS WELCOMING ALL.
MORE CHURCH TRIALS MAY BE AHEAD, WELCOMING ALL.
MORE CHURCH TRIALS MAY BE AHEAD, AS BETTY ROLLIN REPORTS.
MORE CHURCH TRIALS MAY BE AHEAD, AS BETTY ROLLIN REPORTS.
>> Reporter: THE METROPOLITAN AS BETTY ROLLIN REPORTS.
>> Reporter: THE METROPOLITAN UNITED METHODIST CHURCH IN >> Reporter: THE METROPOLITAN UNITED METHODIST CHURCH IN WASHINGTON, D.C., RECENTLY HAD UNITED METHODIST CHURCH IN WASHINGTON, D.C., RECENTLY HAD AN UNUSUAL CELEBRATION.
WASHINGTON, D.C., RECENTLY HAD AN UNUSUAL CELEBRATION.
THE EVENT, CALLED "CHURCH AN UNUSUAL CELEBRATION.
THE EVENT, CALLED "CHURCH QUAKE," HONORED MARRIED COUPLES THE EVENT, CALLED "CHURCH QUAKE," HONORED MARRIED COUPLES OF THE SAME SEX AND THE CLERGY QUAKE," HONORED MARRIED COUPLES OF THE SAME SEX AND THE CLERGY WHO MARRIED THEM.
OF THE SAME SEX AND THE CLERGY WHO MARRIED THEM.
RETIRED BISHOP MELVIN TALBERT WHO MARRIED THEM.
RETIRED BISHOP MELVIN TALBERT WAS THE FIRST METHODIST BISHOP RETIRED BISHOP MELVIN TALBERT WAS THE FIRST METHODIST BISHOP TO PUBLICLY ENDORSE SAME-SEX WAS THE FIRST METHODIST BISHOP TO PUBLICLY ENDORSE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, WHICH IS PROHIBITED IN TO PUBLICLY ENDORSE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, WHICH IS PROHIBITED IN THE CHURCH'S BOOK OF DISCIPLINE.
MARRIAGE, WHICH IS PROHIBITED IN THE CHURCH'S BOOK OF DISCIPLINE.
>> I FELT THE TIME HAD COME FOR THE CHURCH'S BOOK OF DISCIPLINE.
>> I FELT THE TIME HAD COME FOR CLERGY TO GIVE LEADERSHIP TO >> I FELT THE TIME HAD COME FOR CLERGY TO GIVE LEADERSHIP TO THEIR CONGREGATIONS AND IT'S CLERGY TO GIVE LEADERSHIP TO THEIR CONGREGATIONS AND IT'S TIME FOR CLERGY TO REFUSE TO THEIR CONGREGATIONS AND IT'S TIME FOR CLERGY TO REFUSE TO CONVICT THEIR COLLEAGUES FOR TIME FOR CLERGY TO REFUSE TO CONVICT THEIR COLLEAGUES FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING.
CONVICT THEIR COLLEAGUES FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING.
>> Reporter: ONE OF THOSE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
>> Reporter: ONE OF THOSE COLLEAGUES, WHO IS FACING A >> Reporter: ONE OF THOSE COLLEAGUES, WHO IS FACING A POTENTIAL CHURCH TRIAL FOR COLLEAGUES, WHO IS FACING A POTENTIAL CHURCH TRIAL FOR PERFORMING A SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, POTENTIAL CHURCH TRIAL FOR PERFORMING A SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, IS 79-YEAR-OLD REVEREND TOM PERFORMING A SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, IS 79-YEAR-OLD REVEREND TOM OGLETREE, THE RETIRED DEAN OF IS 79-YEAR-OLD REVEREND TOM OGLETREE, THE RETIRED DEAN OF YALE DIVINITY SCHOOL.
OGLETREE, THE RETIRED DEAN OF YALE DIVINITY SCHOOL.
THE MARRIAGE THAT REVEREND YALE DIVINITY SCHOOL.
THE MARRIAGE THAT REVEREND OGLETREE PERFORMED WAS THAT OF THE MARRIAGE THAT REVEREND OGLETREE PERFORMED WAS THAT OF HIS OWN SON, THOMAS.
OGLETREE PERFORMED WAS THAT OF HIS OWN SON, THOMAS.
>> I WAS THRILLED THAT HE ASKED HIS OWN SON, THOMAS.
>> I WAS THRILLED THAT HE ASKED ME TO PLAY A ROLE BECAUSE I'VE >> I WAS THRILLED THAT HE ASKED ME TO PLAY A ROLE BECAUSE I'VE KNOWN HE WAS GAY FOR A LONG TIME ME TO PLAY A ROLE BECAUSE I'VE KNOWN HE WAS GAY FOR A LONG TIME AND WE'VE BEEN WATCHING HIM, YOU KNOWN HE WAS GAY FOR A LONG TIME AND WE'VE BEEN WATCHING HIM, YOU KNOW, ADJUST AND ADAPT TO THE AND WE'VE BEEN WATCHING HIM, YOU KNOW, ADJUST AND ADAPT TO THE DEMANDS OF THE CULTURE IN KNOW, ADJUST AND ADAPT TO THE DEMANDS OF THE CULTURE IN CREATIVE WAYS.
DEMANDS OF THE CULTURE IN CREATIVE WAYS.
>> Reporter: SINCE 1972, THE CREATIVE WAYS.
>> Reporter: SINCE 1972, THE METHODIST CHURCH'S BOOK OF >> Reporter: SINCE 1972, THE METHODIST CHURCH'S BOOK OF DISCIPLINE HAS STATED THAT "THE METHODIST CHURCH'S BOOK OF DISCIPLINE HAS STATED THAT "THE PRACTICE OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS DISCIPLINE HAS STATED THAT "THE PRACTICE OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH CHRISTIAN PRACTICE OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH CHRISTIAN TEACHING" AND THE BOOK PROHIBITS INCOMPATIBLE WITH CHRISTIAN TEACHING" AND THE BOOK PROHIBITS METHODIST MINISTERS FROM TEACHING" AND THE BOOK PROHIBITS METHODIST MINISTERS FROM PERFORMING SAME-SEX MARRIAGES.
METHODIST MINISTERS FROM PERFORMING SAME-SEX MARRIAGES.
REVEREND OGLETREE KNOWINGLY PERFORMING SAME-SEX MARRIAGES.
REVEREND OGLETREE KNOWINGLY VIOLATED THE LAW AND SAYS HE IS REVEREND OGLETREE KNOWINGLY VIOLATED THE LAW AND SAYS HE IS PROUD OF DOING SO.
VIOLATED THE LAW AND SAYS HE IS PROUD OF DOING SO.
>> I WAS INSPIRED BY DR. KING PROUD OF DOING SO.
>> I WAS INSPIRED BY DR. KING DURING MY PARTICIPATION IN THE >> I WAS INSPIRED BY DR. KING DURING MY PARTICIPATION IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT WHEN HE DURING MY PARTICIPATION IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT WHEN HE SAID THAT AN UNJUST LAW IS NO CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT WHEN HE SAID THAT AN UNJUST LAW IS NO LAW.
SAID THAT AN UNJUST LAW IS NO LAW.
THESE ARE UNJUST LAWS, AND LAW.
THESE ARE UNJUST LAWS, AND THEREFORE THEY DO NOT REALLY THESE ARE UNJUST LAWS, AND THEREFORE THEY DO NOT REALLY HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF LAW, EVEN THEREFORE THEY DO NOT REALLY HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF LAW, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY THEY ARE HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF LAW, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY THEY ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE DISCIPLINE.
THOUGH TECHNICALLY THEY ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE DISCIPLINE.
>> WE CAN'T ALL BE A COMMUNITY ESTABLISHED IN THE DISCIPLINE.
>> WE CAN'T ALL BE A COMMUNITY AND JUST DECIDE THAT SOME LAWS >> WE CAN'T ALL BE A COMMUNITY AND JUST DECIDE THAT SOME LAWS ARE ONES THAT APPEAL TO US, AND JUST DECIDE THAT SOME LAWS ARE ONES THAT APPEAL TO US, OTHERS WE THINK ARE UNREASONABLE ARE ONES THAT APPEAL TO US, OTHERS WE THINK ARE UNREASONABLE AND WE CAN GO DO WHATEVER WE OTHERS WE THINK ARE UNREASONABLE AND WE CAN GO DO WHATEVER WE WANT TO WITHOUT THERE BEING SOME AND WE CAN GO DO WHATEVER WE WANT TO WITHOUT THERE BEING SOME KIND OF REPERCUSSIONS.
WANT TO WITHOUT THERE BEING SOME KIND OF REPERCUSSIONS.
>> Reporter: REVEREND ROB KIND OF REPERCUSSIONS.
>> Reporter: REVEREND ROB RENFROE OF THE WOODLAND UNITED >> Reporter: REVEREND ROB RENFROE OF THE WOODLAND UNITED METHODIST CHURCH NEAR HOUSTON IS RENFROE OF THE WOODLAND UNITED METHODIST CHURCH NEAR HOUSTON IS ONE OF MANY MEMBERS OF THE METHODIST CHURCH NEAR HOUSTON IS ONE OF MANY MEMBERS OF THE METHODIST CLERGY WITH A ONE OF MANY MEMBERS OF THE METHODIST CLERGY WITH A DIFFERENT VIEW, A VIEW THAT METHODIST CLERGY WITH A DIFFERENT VIEW, A VIEW THAT CONDEMNS THE PRACTICE OF DIFFERENT VIEW, A VIEW THAT CONDEMNS THE PRACTICE OF HOMOSEXUALITY IN GENERAL.
CONDEMNS THE PRACTICE OF HOMOSEXUALITY IN GENERAL.
>> THERE IS NOT ANY PASSAGE IN HOMOSEXUALITY IN GENERAL.
>> THERE IS NOT ANY PASSAGE IN SCRIPTURE THAT IS CONDONING OR >> THERE IS NOT ANY PASSAGE IN SCRIPTURE THAT IS CONDONING OR ACCEPTING OF THAT PRACTICE.
SCRIPTURE THAT IS CONDONING OR ACCEPTING OF THAT PRACTICE.
THAT'S WHY THOSE OF US WHO SEE ACCEPTING OF THAT PRACTICE.
THAT'S WHY THOSE OF US WHO SEE THE BIBLE AS GOD'S WORD SAY WE THAT'S WHY THOSE OF US WHO SEE THE BIBLE AS GOD'S WORD SAY WE HAVE TO BE TRUE TO WHAT THE THE BIBLE AS GOD'S WORD SAY WE HAVE TO BE TRUE TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES WHEN IT'S CLEAR, HAVE TO BE TRUE TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES WHEN IT'S CLEAR, WHEN IT'S UNMITIGATED, THEN IT'S BIBLE TEACHES WHEN IT'S CLEAR, WHEN IT'S UNMITIGATED, THEN IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF WHETHER OR WHEN IT'S UNMITIGATED, THEN IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT WE WILL BE FAITHFUL TO WHAT REALLY A MATTER OF WHETHER OR NOT WE WILL BE FAITHFUL TO WHAT GOD HAS REVEALED.
NOT WE WILL BE FAITHFUL TO WHAT GOD HAS REVEALED.
REVEREND OGLETREE, WHO IS A GOD HAS REVEALED.
REVEREND OGLETREE, WHO IS A SCHOLAR OF CHRISTIAN ETHICS, REVEREND OGLETREE, WHO IS A SCHOLAR OF CHRISTIAN ETHICS, FEELS THAT THE BIBLE IS OFTEN SCHOLAR OF CHRISTIAN ETHICS, FEELS THAT THE BIBLE IS OFTEN MISINTERPRETED.
FEELS THAT THE BIBLE IS OFTEN MISINTERPRETED.
>> IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE MISINTERPRETED.
>> IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE SCRIPTURE YOU'LL FIND IT HAS NO >> IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE SCRIPTURE YOU'LL FIND IT HAS NO CONCEPT OF HOMOSEXUALITY OR SCRIPTURE YOU'LL FIND IT HAS NO CONCEPT OF HOMOSEXUALITY OR SEXUAL ORIENTATION AT ALL.
CONCEPT OF HOMOSEXUALITY OR SEXUAL ORIENTATION AT ALL.
AND IF YOU LEARN TO READ IT IN SEXUAL ORIENTATION AT ALL.
AND IF YOU LEARN TO READ IT IN CONTEXT AND SEE THE EVOLVING AND IF YOU LEARN TO READ IT IN CONTEXT AND SEE THE EVOLVING TRADITIONS AS WE TRY TO CONTEXT AND SEE THE EVOLVING TRADITIONS AS WE TRY TO INTERPRET IT, THEN YOU REALIZE TRADITIONS AS WE TRY TO INTERPRET IT, THEN YOU REALIZE THAT THAT'S AN OVERSIMPLIFIED INTERPRET IT, THEN YOU REALIZE THAT THAT'S AN OVERSIMPLIFIED READING.
THAT THAT'S AN OVERSIMPLIFIED READING.
AFTER ALL, THE SCRIPTURE SEEMS READING.
AFTER ALL, THE SCRIPTURE SEEMS TO ACCOMMODATE SLAVERY.
AFTER ALL, THE SCRIPTURE SEEMS TO ACCOMMODATE SLAVERY.
SO SHOULD WE THEN HAVE SLAVES?
TO ACCOMMODATE SLAVERY.
SO SHOULD WE THEN HAVE SLAVES?
THEY SAY WOMEN SHOULD BE SO SHOULD WE THEN HAVE SLAVES?
THEY SAY WOMEN SHOULD BE SUBORDINATE TO THEIR HUSBAND.
THEY SAY WOMEN SHOULD BE SUBORDINATE TO THEIR HUSBAND.
THEN LET'S TELL WOMEN TO SHUT UP SUBORDINATE TO THEIR HUSBAND.
THEN LET'S TELL WOMEN TO SHUT UP AND STOP TALKING TO US, THEN LET'S TELL WOMEN TO SHUT UP AND STOP TALKING TO US, ESPECIALLY IN PUBLIC.
AND STOP TALKING TO US, ESPECIALLY IN PUBLIC.
THE POINT IS WHEN YOU ONLY ESPECIALLY IN PUBLIC.
THE POINT IS WHEN YOU ONLY SELECT CERTAIN TEXTS THAT THE POINT IS WHEN YOU ONLY SELECT CERTAIN TEXTS THAT SUPPORT YOUR PREJUDICES, THEN SELECT CERTAIN TEXTS THAT SUPPORT YOUR PREJUDICES, THEN YOU'RE NOT READING THE SCRIPTURE SUPPORT YOUR PREJUDICES, THEN YOU'RE NOT READING THE SCRIPTURE SERIOUSLY.
YOU'RE NOT READING THE SCRIPTURE SERIOUSLY.
>> WILL THE CONGREGATION PLEASE SERIOUSLY.
>> WILL THE CONGREGATION PLEASE RISE?
>> WILL THE CONGREGATION PLEASE RISE?
I INVITE US NOW TO BE IN A RISE?
I INVITE US NOW TO BE IN A SPIRIT OF PRAYER.
I INVITE US NOW TO BE IN A SPIRIT OF PRAYER.
>> Reporter: REVEREND SCOTT SPIRIT OF PRAYER.
>> Reporter: REVEREND SCOTT SUMMERVILLE IS THE PASTOR OF THE >> Reporter: REVEREND SCOTT SUMMERVILLE IS THE PASTOR OF THE ASBURY CRESTWOOD METHODIST SUMMERVILLE IS THE PASTOR OF THE ASBURY CRESTWOOD METHODIST CHURCH IN TUCKAHOE, NEW YORK.
ASBURY CRESTWOOD METHODIST CHURCH IN TUCKAHOE, NEW YORK.
HE, TOO, IS CRITICAL OF THE LAW CHURCH IN TUCKAHOE, NEW YORK.
HE, TOO, IS CRITICAL OF THE LAW AND FEELS THAT THE METHODIST HE, TOO, IS CRITICAL OF THE LAW AND FEELS THAT THE METHODIST CHURCH'S STANCE ON GAY MARRIAGE AND FEELS THAT THE METHODIST CHURCH'S STANCE ON GAY MARRIAGE IS HYPOCRITICAL.
CHURCH'S STANCE ON GAY MARRIAGE IS HYPOCRITICAL.
>> YOU CAN WORSHIP HERE, LOVE TO IS HYPOCRITICAL.
>> YOU CAN WORSHIP HERE, LOVE TO HAVE YOU, BUT FRANKLY YOU CAN >> YOU CAN WORSHIP HERE, LOVE TO HAVE YOU, BUT FRANKLY YOU CAN NEVER BE FULLY 100% ONE OF US.
HAVE YOU, BUT FRANKLY YOU CAN NEVER BE FULLY 100% ONE OF US.
THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A NEVER BE FULLY 100% ONE OF US.
THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN US, YOU SEE THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN US, YOU SEE OUR RULE BOOK DEMANDS THAT WE DISTINCTION BETWEEN US, YOU SEE OUR RULE BOOK DEMANDS THAT WE MAKE THIS DISTINCTION WHETHER WE OUR RULE BOOK DEMANDS THAT WE MAKE THIS DISTINCTION WHETHER WE WISH TO OR NOT, BUT WE LOVE YOU.
MAKE THIS DISTINCTION WHETHER WE WISH TO OR NOT, BUT WE LOVE YOU.
>> Reporter: DOROTHEE BENZ AND WISH TO OR NOT, BUT WE LOVE YOU.
>> Reporter: DOROTHEE BENZ AND CAROL SCOTT MARRIED IN REVEREND >> Reporter: DOROTHEE BENZ AND CAROL SCOTT MARRIED IN REVEREND SUMMERVILLE'S CHURCH.
CAROL SCOTT MARRIED IN REVEREND SUMMERVILLE'S CHURCH.
DOROTHEE IS THE DIRECTOR OF SUMMERVILLE'S CHURCH.
DOROTHEE IS THE DIRECTOR OF METHODISTS IN NEW DIRECTIONS DOROTHEE IS THE DIRECTOR OF METHODISTS IN NEW DIRECTIONS MIND WHICH HAS MOBILIZED METHODISTS IN NEW DIRECTIONS MIND WHICH HAS MOBILIZED METHODIST CLERGY WHO SUPPORT AND MIND WHICH HAS MOBILIZED METHODIST CLERGY WHO SUPPORT AND HAVE AGREED TO CONDUCT SAME-SEX METHODIST CLERGY WHO SUPPORT AND HAVE AGREED TO CONDUCT SAME-SEX MARRIAGES.
HAVE AGREED TO CONDUCT SAME-SEX MARRIAGES.
>> WE HAVE BASICALLY FOUND A WAY MARRIAGES.
>> WE HAVE BASICALLY FOUND A WAY AROUND THE PARALYSIS THAT'S >> WE HAVE BASICALLY FOUND A WAY AROUND THE PARALYSIS THAT'S CAUSED BY THE CHURCH'S AROUND THE PARALYSIS THAT'S CAUSED BY THE CHURCH'S REQUIREMENT TO DISCRIMINATE, CAUSED BY THE CHURCH'S REQUIREMENT TO DISCRIMINATE, WHICH IS WE'RE JUST NOT REQUIREMENT TO DISCRIMINATE, WHICH IS WE'RE JUST NOT DISCRIMINATING ANYMORE.
WHICH IS WE'RE JUST NOT DISCRIMINATING ANYMORE.
WHAT THE CHURCH DOES THROUGH ITS DISCRIMINATING ANYMORE.
WHAT THE CHURCH DOES THROUGH ITS DISCRIMINATION AND PREJUDICE HAS WHAT THE CHURCH DOES THROUGH ITS DISCRIMINATION AND PREJUDICE HAS A WIDER EFFECT.
DISCRIMINATION AND PREJUDICE HAS A WIDER EFFECT.
IT GIVES MORAL COVER TO PEOPLE A WIDER EFFECT.
IT GIVES MORAL COVER TO PEOPLE WHO VOTE AGAINST US IN IT GIVES MORAL COVER TO PEOPLE WHO VOTE AGAINST US IN LEGISLATURES.
WHO VOTE AGAINST US IN LEGISLATURES.
IT GIVES MORAL COVER TO QUEER LEGISLATURES.
IT GIVES MORAL COVER TO QUEER BASHERS WHO BASH US IN BACK IT GIVES MORAL COVER TO QUEER BASHERS WHO BASH US IN BACK ALLEYS, SO THE EFFECT IS HUGE.
BASHERS WHO BASH US IN BACK ALLEYS, SO THE EFFECT IS HUGE.
>> Reporter: AT ONE POINT ALLEYS, SO THE EFFECT IS HUGE.
>> Reporter: AT ONE POINT DOROTHEE WANTED TO BECOME ONE OF >> Reporter: AT ONE POINT DOROTHEE WANTED TO BECOME ONE OF THE CLERGY HERSELF BUT COULD NOT DOROTHEE WANTED TO BECOME ONE OF THE CLERGY HERSELF BUT COULD NOT BECAUSE OF HER HOMOSEXUALITY.
THE CLERGY HERSELF BUT COULD NOT BECAUSE OF HER HOMOSEXUALITY.
>> YOU SIT IN THE PEW.
BECAUSE OF HER HOMOSEXUALITY.
>> YOU SIT IN THE PEW.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GET >> YOU SIT IN THE PEW.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED THERE, YOU'RE NOT -- YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED THERE, YOU'RE NOT -- MAYBE NOT EVEN BE A MEMBER MARRIED THERE, YOU'RE NOT -- MAYBE NOT EVEN BE A MEMBER THERE.
MAYBE NOT EVEN BE A MEMBER THERE.
WHAT ARE YOU LEARNING ABOUT THERE.
WHAT ARE YOU LEARNING ABOUT YOURSELF THAT GOD SUPPOSEDLY WHAT ARE YOU LEARNING ABOUT YOURSELF THAT GOD SUPPOSEDLY THINKS ABOUT YOU AND CERTAINLY YOURSELF THAT GOD SUPPOSEDLY THINKS ABOUT YOU AND CERTAINLY THAT YOUR FELLOW CHURCHGOERS AND THINKS ABOUT YOU AND CERTAINLY THAT YOUR FELLOW CHURCHGOERS AND LEADERS THINK ABOUT YOU?
THAT YOUR FELLOW CHURCHGOERS AND LEADERS THINK ABOUT YOU?
THAT'S A TERRIBLE MESSAGE.
LEADERS THINK ABOUT YOU?
THAT'S A TERRIBLE MESSAGE.
>> BECAUSE THAT MESSAGE IS NOT THAT'S A TERRIBLE MESSAGE.
>> BECAUSE THAT MESSAGE IS NOT ONLY GOING TO THE QUEER FOLKS >> BECAUSE THAT MESSAGE IS NOT ONLY GOING TO THE QUEER FOLKS WHO ARE SITTING IN THE PEWS ONLY GOING TO THE QUEER FOLKS WHO ARE SITTING IN THE PEWS FEELING EXCLUDED AND WHO ARE SITTING IN THE PEWS FEELING EXCLUDED AND DISCRIMINATED AGAINST AND HATED.
FEELING EXCLUDED AND DISCRIMINATED AGAINST AND HATED.
THAT MESSAGE IS GOING TO THE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST AND HATED.
THAT MESSAGE IS GOING TO THE STRAIGHT PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING THAT MESSAGE IS GOING TO THE STRAIGHT PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING THERE, TO THE KIDS DOWN IN STRAIGHT PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING THERE, TO THE KIDS DOWN IN SUNDAY SCHOOL WHO ARE GROWING UP THERE, TO THE KIDS DOWN IN SUNDAY SCHOOL WHO ARE GROWING UP LEARNING ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE SUNDAY SCHOOL WHO ARE GROWING UP LEARNING ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE LESS THAN, DON'T DESERVE AS MUCH LEARNING ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ARE LESS THAN, DON'T DESERVE AS MUCH AS, OR NOT EQUAL, OR WHATEVER.
LESS THAN, DON'T DESERVE AS MUCH AS, OR NOT EQUAL, OR WHATEVER.
>> BUT ONE DAY WE'RE GOING TO AS, OR NOT EQUAL, OR WHATEVER.
>> BUT ONE DAY WE'RE GOING TO LOOK BACK ON OUR LIVES AND WE'RE >> BUT ONE DAY WE'RE GOING TO LOOK BACK ON OUR LIVES AND WE'RE GOING TO WONDER WHAT DID I DO LOOK BACK ON OUR LIVES AND WE'RE GOING TO WONDER WHAT DID I DO WITH IT?
GOING TO WONDER WHAT DID I DO WITH IT?
>> Reporter: BUT REVEREND WITH IT?
>> Reporter: BUT REVEREND RENFROE FEELS THAT THOSE WHO >> Reporter: BUT REVEREND RENFROE FEELS THAT THOSE WHO ACCEPT HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE RENFROE FEELS THAT THOSE WHO ACCEPT HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE CHURCH ARE JUST GIVING IN TO THE ACCEPT HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE CHURCH ARE JUST GIVING IN TO THE POLITICALLY CORRECT VIEW.
CHURCH ARE JUST GIVING IN TO THE POLITICALLY CORRECT VIEW.
>> I'M AFRAID THAT THE CHURCH POLITICALLY CORRECT VIEW.
>> I'M AFRAID THAT THE CHURCH WILL GIVE INTO THE CULTURE, I'M >> I'M AFRAID THAT THE CHURCH WILL GIVE INTO THE CULTURE, I'M AFRAID THAT THE CHURCH WILL SELL WILL GIVE INTO THE CULTURE, I'M AFRAID THAT THE CHURCH WILL SELL IT'S BIRTHRIGHT FOR A MESS OF AFRAID THAT THE CHURCH WILL SELL IT'S BIRTHRIGHT FOR A MESS OF PORRIDGE, THAT WE WILL TRY TO IT'S BIRTHRIGHT FOR A MESS OF PORRIDGE, THAT WE WILL TRY TO PLEASE A CULTURE THAT IS NOT PORRIDGE, THAT WE WILL TRY TO PLEASE A CULTURE THAT IS NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN THE GOSPEL PLEASE A CULTURE THAT IS NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, THINKING THAT REALLY INTERESTED IN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, THINKING THAT IF WE MAKE LITTLE CHANGES SO OF JESUS CHRIST, THINKING THAT IF WE MAKE LITTLE CHANGES SO THAT WE APPEAR TO BE WARM AND IF WE MAKE LITTLE CHANGES SO THAT WE APPEAR TO BE WARM AND ACCEPTING, THAT THEY'LL COME OUR THAT WE APPEAR TO BE WARM AND ACCEPTING, THAT THEY'LL COME OUR WAY.
ACCEPTING, THAT THEY'LL COME OUR WAY.
>> Reporter: THE METHODIST WAY.
>> Reporter: THE METHODIST CHURCH IS LOSING MEMBERSHIP IN >> Reporter: THE METHODIST CHURCH IS LOSING MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED STATES AND GAINING CHURCH IS LOSING MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED STATES AND GAINING CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS THE UNITED STATES AND GAINING CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS INTERNATIONALLY, ESPECIALLY IN CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS INTERNATIONALLY, ESPECIALLY IN AFRICA WHERE HOMOSEXUALITY IS INTERNATIONALLY, ESPECIALLY IN AFRICA WHERE HOMOSEXUALITY IS FREQUENTLY REVILED.
AFRICA WHERE HOMOSEXUALITY IS FREQUENTLY REVILED.
>> THE CHURCH WHERE IT'S MOST FREQUENTLY REVILED.
>> THE CHURCH WHERE IT'S MOST LIBERAL IS DECLINING MOST >> THE CHURCH WHERE IT'S MOST LIBERAL IS DECLINING MOST RAPIDLY, SO THE NUMBER GOING TO LIBERAL IS DECLINING MOST RAPIDLY, SO THE NUMBER GOING TO REPRESENT A PROGRESSIVE POINT OF RAPIDLY, SO THE NUMBER GOING TO REPRESENT A PROGRESSIVE POINT OF VIEW WILL BE EVEN FEWER IN REPRESENT A PROGRESSIVE POINT OF VIEW WILL BE EVEN FEWER IN 2016 THAN IT WAS IN 2012.
VIEW WILL BE EVEN FEWER IN 2016 THAN IT WAS IN 2012.
WHERE THE CHURCH IS MOST 2016 THAN IT WAS IN 2012.
WHERE THE CHURCH IS MOST CONSERVATIVE IS WHERE THE CHURCH WHERE THE CHURCH IS MOST CONSERVATIVE IS WHERE THE CHURCH IS EITHER THE MOST STABLE OR CONSERVATIVE IS WHERE THE CHURCH IS EITHER THE MOST STABLE OR IT'S THE MOST GROWING, SO THE IS EITHER THE MOST STABLE OR IT'S THE MOST GROWING, SO THE NUMBERS SIMPLY ARE NOT IN FAVOR IT'S THE MOST GROWING, SO THE NUMBERS SIMPLY ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF CHANGING OUR POSITION IN THE NUMBERS SIMPLY ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF CHANGING OUR POSITION IN THE DISCIPLINE.
OF CHANGING OUR POSITION IN THE DISCIPLINE.
>> Reporter: MEANWHILE, REVEREND DISCIPLINE.
>> Reporter: MEANWHILE, REVEREND OGLETREE'S TRIAL IS PENDING AND >> Reporter: MEANWHILE, REVEREND OGLETREE'S TRIAL IS PENDING AND COULD BE DISMISSED.
OGLETREE'S TRIAL IS PENDING AND COULD BE DISMISSED.
>> I BELIEVE THAT THE METHODIST COULD BE DISMISSED.
>> I BELIEVE THAT THE METHODIST CHURCH IS OPEN TO CHANGE HERE.
>> I BELIEVE THAT THE METHODIST CHURCH IS OPEN TO CHANGE HERE.
AND THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THEN TO CHURCH IS OPEN TO CHANGE HERE.
AND THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THEN TO JOIN THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE AND THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THEN TO JOIN THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE DENOMINATION WHO WANT THAT JOIN THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE DENOMINATION WHO WANT THAT CHANGE.
DENOMINATION WHO WANT THAT CHANGE.
>> Reporter: AND THOSE ON HIS CHANGE.
>> Reporter: AND THOSE ON HIS SIDE OF THE ISSUE HAVE SOME HOPE >> Reporter: AND THOSE ON HIS SIDE OF THE ISSUE HAVE SOME HOPE ABOUT AMENDING THE BOOK OF SIDE OF THE ISSUE HAVE SOME HOPE ABOUT AMENDING THE BOOK OF DISCIPLINE.
ABOUT AMENDING THE BOOK OF DISCIPLINE.
>> THE BOOK OF DISCIPLINE STARTS DISCIPLINE.
>> THE BOOK OF DISCIPLINE STARTS WITH A PREAMBLE THAT >> THE BOOK OF DISCIPLINE STARTS WITH A PREAMBLE THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THE CHURCH'S PAST WITH A PREAMBLE THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THE CHURCH'S PAST FAILINGS AND WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT ACKNOWLEDGES THE CHURCH'S PAST FAILINGS AND WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT MAYBE SOMEDAY THERE'S A NEW FAILINGS AND WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT MAYBE SOMEDAY THERE'S A NEW PASSAGE IN THERE, SO I MEAN, MAYBE SOMEDAY THERE'S A NEW PASSAGE IN THERE, SO I MEAN, IT'S POSSIBLE.
PASSAGE IN THERE, SO I MEAN, IT'S POSSIBLE.
>> Reporter: BUT THE NEXT IT'S POSSIBLE.
>> Reporter: BUT THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE BOOK >> Reporter: BUT THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE BOOK OF DISCIPLINE WON'T BE UNTIL OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE BOOK OF DISCIPLINE WON'T BE UNTIL 2016, WHEN THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF DISCIPLINE WON'T BE UNTIL 2016, WHEN THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH GATHERS AT THE METHODIST GENERAL 2016, WHEN THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH GATHERS AT THE METHODIST GENERAL CONFERENCE.
GATHERS AT THE METHODIST GENERAL CONFERENCE.
FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS CONFERENCE.
FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M BETTY ROLLIN IN FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M BETTY ROLLIN IN WASHINGTON, D.C. NEWSWEEKLY," I'M BETTY ROLLIN IN WASHINGTON, D.C. >>> WE HAVE A GLIMPSE TODAY OF WASHINGTON, D.C. >>> WE HAVE A GLIMPSE TODAY OF ONE OF THE OLDEST SURVIVING >>> WE HAVE A GLIMPSE TODAY OF ONE OF THE OLDEST SURVIVING MANUSCRIPTS OF THE FOUR ONE OF THE OLDEST SURVIVING MANUSCRIPTS OF THE FOUR CHRISTIAN GOSPELS AND THE FIRST MANUSCRIPTS OF THE FOUR CHRISTIAN GOSPELS AND THE FIRST TO BE TRANSLATED INTO OLD CHRISTIAN GOSPELS AND THE FIRST TO BE TRANSLATED INTO OLD ENGLISH.
TO BE TRANSLATED INTO OLD ENGLISH.
IT'S CALLED THE LINDISFARNE ENGLISH.
IT'S CALLED THE LINDISFARNE GOSPELS, AND IT'S A 1,300 YEAR IT'S CALLED THE LINDISFARNE GOSPELS, AND IT'S A 1,300 YEAR OLD MILESTONE IN CHRISTIANITY'S GOSPELS, AND IT'S A 1,300 YEAR OLD MILESTONE IN CHRISTIANITY'S SPREAD TO THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING OLD MILESTONE IN CHRISTIANITY'S SPREAD TO THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING WORLD.
SPREAD TO THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING WORLD.
FRED DE SAM LAZARO REPORTS FROM WORLD.
FRED DE SAM LAZARO REPORTS FROM THE NORTH OF ENGLAND.
FRED DE SAM LAZARO REPORTS FROM THE NORTH OF ENGLAND.
>> Reporter: THE LARGE CATHEDRAL THE NORTH OF ENGLAND.
>> Reporter: THE LARGE CATHEDRAL TOWERS OVER THE SMALL CITY OF >> Reporter: THE LARGE CATHEDRAL TOWERS OVER THE SMALL CITY OF DURHAM, BUT DURHAM CATHEDRAL'S TOWERS OVER THE SMALL CITY OF DURHAM, BUT DURHAM CATHEDRAL'S HISTORICAL IMPRINT IS FAR WIDER.
DURHAM, BUT DURHAM CATHEDRAL'S HISTORICAL IMPRINT IS FAR WIDER.
THE FOUNDATION OF CHRISTIANITY HISTORICAL IMPRINT IS FAR WIDER.
THE FOUNDATION OF CHRISTIANITY ON THE BRITISH ISLES WAS THE FOUNDATION OF CHRISTIANITY ON THE BRITISH ISLES WAS PROFOUNDLY SHAPED BY EVENTS, ON THE BRITISH ISLES WAS PROFOUNDLY SHAPED BY EVENTS, PEOPLE, AND RELICS CONNECTED TO PROFOUNDLY SHAPED BY EVENTS, PEOPLE, AND RELICS CONNECTED TO THIS 1100-YEAR-OLD STRUCTURE, PEOPLE, AND RELICS CONNECTED TO THIS 1100-YEAR-OLD STRUCTURE, INCLUDING ONE RELIC THAT'S COME THIS 1100-YEAR-OLD STRUCTURE, INCLUDING ONE RELIC THAT'S COME HOME TO VISIT FROM SAFEKEEPING INCLUDING ONE RELIC THAT'S COME HOME TO VISIT FROM SAFEKEEPING IN THE BRITISH LIBRARY IN HOME TO VISIT FROM SAFEKEEPING IN THE BRITISH LIBRARY IN LONDON -- A BOOK THAT IS 1,300 IN THE BRITISH LIBRARY IN LONDON -- A BOOK THAT IS 1,300 YEARS OLD.
LONDON -- A BOOK THAT IS 1,300 YEARS OLD.
>> THIS IS A BOOK THAT HAS BEEN YEARS OLD.
>> THIS IS A BOOK THAT HAS BEEN DRAGGED AROUND THE NORTH OF >> THIS IS A BOOK THAT HAS BEEN DRAGGED AROUND THE NORTH OF ENGLAND ON A CART, FLEEING FROM DRAGGED AROUND THE NORTH OF ENGLAND ON A CART, FLEEING FROM THE VIKINGS, AND THE FACT THAT ENGLAND ON A CART, FLEEING FROM THE VIKINGS, AND THE FACT THAT IT IS STILL IN NEAR PERFECT THE VIKINGS, AND THE FACT THAT IT IS STILL IN NEAR PERFECT CONDITION SHOWS HOW HIGHLY IT IS STILL IN NEAR PERFECT CONDITION SHOWS HOW HIGHLY VALUED IT WAS OVER THE CONDITION SHOWS HOW HIGHLY VALUED IT WAS OVER THE CENTURIES, THAT PEOPLE DID LOOK VALUED IT WAS OVER THE CENTURIES, THAT PEOPLE DID LOOK AFTER IT AS WELL AS THEY COULD.
CENTURIES, THAT PEOPLE DID LOOK AFTER IT AS WELL AS THEY COULD.
>> Reporter: AND TO KEEP AFTER IT AS WELL AS THEY COULD.
>> Reporter: AND TO KEEP PROTECTING IT, PROFESSOR RICHARD >> Reporter: AND TO KEEP PROTECTING IT, PROFESSOR RICHARD GAMESON SAYS VISITORS TO THE PROTECTING IT, PROFESSOR RICHARD GAMESON SAYS VISITORS TO THE EXHIBIT GET TO SEE JUST ONE OPEN GAMESON SAYS VISITORS TO THE EXHIBIT GET TO SEE JUST ONE OPEN PAGE OF THE LINDISFARNE EXHIBIT GET TO SEE JUST ONE OPEN PAGE OF THE LINDISFARNE GOSPELS, THE ILLUMINATION OF ST.
PAGE OF THE LINDISFARNE GOSPELS, THE ILLUMINATION OF ST. JOHN THAT PRECEDES HIS GOSPEL.
GOSPELS, THE ILLUMINATION OF ST. JOHN THAT PRECEDES HIS GOSPEL.
THE SPACE IS KEPT COOL AND JOHN THAT PRECEDES HIS GOSPEL.
THE SPACE IS KEPT COOL AND GENTLY LIT.
THE SPACE IS KEPT COOL AND GENTLY LIT.
>> THE LINDISFARNE GOSPELS IS A GENTLY LIT.
>> THE LINDISFARNE GOSPELS IS A REMARKABLE BOOK.
>> THE LINDISFARNE GOSPELS IS A REMARKABLE BOOK.
>> Reporter: SCHOLARS LIKE REMARKABLE BOOK.
>> Reporter: SCHOLARS LIKE GAMESON WORK OFF FACSIMILES.
>> Reporter: SCHOLARS LIKE GAMESON WORK OFF FACSIMILES.
THIS ONE IS A $16,000 EXACT GAMESON WORK OFF FACSIMILES.
THIS ONE IS A $16,000 EXACT REPLICA OF WHAT HE CALLS A THIS ONE IS A $16,000 EXACT REPLICA OF WHAT HE CALLS A TECHNOLOGICAL AND ARTISTIC REPLICA OF WHAT HE CALLS A TECHNOLOGICAL AND ARTISTIC MASTERPIECE AND A RELIGIOUS TECHNOLOGICAL AND ARTISTIC MASTERPIECE AND A RELIGIOUS LANDMARK, THE FIRST TRANSLATION MASTERPIECE AND A RELIGIOUS LANDMARK, THE FIRST TRANSLATION OF THE FOUR GOSPELS INTO LANDMARK, THE FIRST TRANSLATION OF THE FOUR GOSPELS INTO ENGLISH, AN OLD ENGLISH THAT IT OF THE FOUR GOSPELS INTO ENGLISH, AN OLD ENGLISH THAT IT TAKES A SCHOLAR TO INTERPRET.
ENGLISH, AN OLD ENGLISH THAT IT TAKES A SCHOLAR TO INTERPRET.
>> "HERE BEGINS," "ON GYNNETH, TAKES A SCHOLAR TO INTERPRET.
>> "HERE BEGINS," "ON GYNNETH, ON GYNNETH."
>> "HERE BEGINS," "ON GYNNETH, ON GYNNETH."
IT SOUNDS A BIT LIKE "BEGIN."
ON GYNNETH."
IT SOUNDS A BIT LIKE "BEGIN."
"EVANGELIUM GODSPELL," CLOSE TO IT SOUNDS A BIT LIKE "BEGIN."
"EVANGELIUM GODSPELL," CLOSE TO OUR "GOSPEL."
"EVANGELIUM GODSPELL," CLOSE TO OUR "GOSPEL."
>> Reporter: THE BOOK WAS FIRST OUR "GOSPEL."
>> Reporter: THE BOOK WAS FIRST HAND-WRITTEN IN LATIN AROUND THE >> Reporter: THE BOOK WAS FIRST HAND-WRITTEN IN LATIN AROUND THE YEAR 700 FROM TEXTS BROUGHT OVER HAND-WRITTEN IN LATIN AROUND THE YEAR 700 FROM TEXTS BROUGHT OVER FROM ROME.
YEAR 700 FROM TEXTS BROUGHT OVER FROM ROME.
THREE CENTURIES LATER IT WAS FROM ROME.
THREE CENTURIES LATER IT WAS TRANSLATED WORD-BY-WORD IN THREE CENTURIES LATER IT WAS TRANSLATED WORD-BY-WORD IN ENGLISH BETWEEN THE LINES OF THE TRANSLATED WORD-BY-WORD IN ENGLISH BETWEEN THE LINES OF THE ORIGINAL TEXT BY A MONK NAMED ENGLISH BETWEEN THE LINES OF THE ORIGINAL TEXT BY A MONK NAMED ALDRED.
ORIGINAL TEXT BY A MONK NAMED ALDRED.
HE TOOK SPECIAL CARE TO CLARIFY ALDRED.
HE TOOK SPECIAL CARE TO CLARIFY CRITICAL PASSAGES, LIKE THE ONE HE TOOK SPECIAL CARE TO CLARIFY CRITICAL PASSAGES, LIKE THE ONE DESCRIBING THE RELATIONSHIP OF CRITICAL PASSAGES, LIKE THE ONE DESCRIBING THE RELATIONSHIP OF MARY AND JOSEPH.
DESCRIBING THE RELATIONSHIP OF MARY AND JOSEPH.
>> HE ADDED THE OLD ENGLISH WORD MARY AND JOSEPH.
>> HE ADDED THE OLD ENGLISH WORD "BEWEDDED," "WEDDED," WE'VE >> HE ADDED THE OLD ENGLISH WORD "BEWEDDED," "WEDDED," WE'VE STILL GOT THE SAME MODERN WORD.
"BEWEDDED," "WEDDED," WE'VE STILL GOT THE SAME MODERN WORD.
HOWEVER, "WEDDED" HAD SEXUAL STILL GOT THE SAME MODERN WORD.
HOWEVER, "WEDDED" HAD SEXUAL IMPLICATIONS, AND OF COURSE THAT HOWEVER, "WEDDED" HAD SEXUAL IMPLICATIONS, AND OF COURSE THAT WOULD CONFLICT WITH THE DOCTRINE IMPLICATIONS, AND OF COURSE THAT WOULD CONFLICT WITH THE DOCTRINE OF THE VIRGIN BIRTH, AND SO HE WOULD CONFLICT WITH THE DOCTRINE OF THE VIRGIN BIRTH, AND SO HE THEN ADDS VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES.
OF THE VIRGIN BIRTH, AND SO HE THEN ADDS VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES.
HE WAS STILL NOT SATISFIED, AND THEN ADDS VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES.
HE WAS STILL NOT SATISFIED, AND SO HE ADDED IN A NOTE SAYING HE WAS STILL NOT SATISFIED, AND SO HE ADDED IN A NOTE SAYING THAT MARY WAS "ENTRUSTED" TO SO HE ADDED IN A NOTE SAYING THAT MARY WAS "ENTRUSTED" TO JOSEPH, AND HE ADDS "IN NO WISE THAT MARY WAS "ENTRUSTED" TO JOSEPH, AND HE ADDS "IN NO WISE TO HAVE AS A WIFE, BUT FOR HIM JOSEPH, AND HE ADDS "IN NO WISE TO HAVE AS A WIFE, BUT FOR HIM TO LOOK AFTER HER."
TO HAVE AS A WIFE, BUT FOR HIM TO LOOK AFTER HER."
>> Reporter: ALMOST AS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AFTER HER."
>> Reporter: ALMOST AS IMPORTANT TO GAMESON IS A SIDE-NOTE >> Reporter: ALMOST AS IMPORTANT TO GAMESON IS A SIDE-NOTE WRITTEN BY TRANSLATOR ALDRED.
TO GAMESON IS A SIDE-NOTE WRITTEN BY TRANSLATOR ALDRED.
IT TELLS OF THE BOOK'S CREATION WRITTEN BY TRANSLATOR ALDRED.
IT TELLS OF THE BOOK'S CREATION ON THE REMOTE ISLAND OF IT TELLS OF THE BOOK'S CREATION ON THE REMOTE ISLAND OF LINDISFARNE, JUST OFF ENGLAND'S ON THE REMOTE ISLAND OF LINDISFARNE, JUST OFF ENGLAND'S EAST COAST.
LINDISFARNE, JUST OFF ENGLAND'S EAST COAST.
>> THERE IS A POEM HIDDEN WITHIN EAST COAST.
>> THERE IS A POEM HIDDEN WITHIN THIS THAT GOES BACK TO NEARER >> THERE IS A POEM HIDDEN WITHIN THIS THAT GOES BACK TO NEARER THE TIME THE BOOK WAS MADE AND THIS THAT GOES BACK TO NEARER THE TIME THE BOOK WAS MADE AND PROVIDES US WITH THE KEY FACTS THE TIME THE BOOK WAS MADE AND PROVIDES US WITH THE KEY FACTS THAT EADFRITH THE BISHOP MADE PROVIDES US WITH THE KEY FACTS THAT EADFRITH THE BISHOP MADE THE BOOK, AND NOW WE'RE TOLD THE THAT EADFRITH THE BISHOP MADE THE BOOK, AND NOW WE'RE TOLD THE BOOK IS FOR GOD, FOR SAINT THE BOOK, AND NOW WE'RE TOLD THE BOOK IS FOR GOD, FOR SAINT CUTHBERT, AND ALL THE SAINTS ON BOOK IS FOR GOD, FOR SAINT CUTHBERT, AND ALL THE SAINTS ON HOLY ISLAND.
CUTHBERT, AND ALL THE SAINTS ON HOLY ISLAND.
>> Reporter: ON HOLY ISLAND OR HOLY ISLAND.
>> Reporter: ON HOLY ISLAND OR LINDISFARNE THE SPIRITS OF >> Reporter: ON HOLY ISLAND OR LINDISFARNE THE SPIRITS OF CUTHBERT AND THOSE LONG-AGO LINDISFARNE THE SPIRITS OF CUTHBERT AND THOSE LONG-AGO SAINTS CAN STILL LOOM LARGE.
CUTHBERT AND THOSE LONG-AGO SAINTS CAN STILL LOOM LARGE.
MARK DOUGLAS IS WITH ENGLISH SAINTS CAN STILL LOOM LARGE.
MARK DOUGLAS IS WITH ENGLISH HERITAGE, A PUBLIC AGENCY THAT MARK DOUGLAS IS WITH ENGLISH HERITAGE, A PUBLIC AGENCY THAT MAINTAINS HISTORIC SITES AND HERITAGE, A PUBLIC AGENCY THAT MAINTAINS HISTORIC SITES AND RUINS, INCLUDING THOSE AT MAINTAINS HISTORIC SITES AND RUINS, INCLUDING THOSE AT LINDISFARNE ISLAND.
RUINS, INCLUDING THOSE AT LINDISFARNE ISLAND.
>> THE ISLAND ITSELF HAS A LINDISFARNE ISLAND.
>> THE ISLAND ITSELF HAS A CERTAIN DRAW.
>> THE ISLAND ITSELF HAS A CERTAIN DRAW.
THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT CERTAIN DRAW.
THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT THIS ISLAND.
THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT THIS ISLAND.
YOU FIND A LOT OF PEOPLE THIS ISLAND.
YOU FIND A LOT OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY COMING FOR THE YOU FIND A LOT OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY COMING FOR THE SPIRITUAL BENEFITS.
ACTUALLY COMING FOR THE SPIRITUAL BENEFITS.
YOU GET THIS SORT OF A TINGLING SPIRITUAL BENEFITS.
YOU GET THIS SORT OF A TINGLING OF THE SPIRITUALITY OF THE YOU GET THIS SORT OF A TINGLING OF THE SPIRITUALITY OF THE PLACE.
OF THE SPIRITUALITY OF THE PLACE.
>> Reporter: IT WAS HERE IN THE PLACE.
>> Reporter: IT WAS HERE IN THE YEAR 635 THAT IRISH MONKS SET UP >> Reporter: IT WAS HERE IN THE YEAR 635 THAT IRISH MONKS SET UP THE PRIORY, ESTABLISHING YEAR 635 THAT IRISH MONKS SET UP THE PRIORY, ESTABLISHING CHRISTIANITY IN A LARGELY PAGAN THE PRIORY, ESTABLISHING CHRISTIANITY IN A LARGELY PAGAN LAND AND THE CULT OF CUTHBERT, A CHRISTIANITY IN A LARGELY PAGAN LAND AND THE CULT OF CUTHBERT, A REVERED EARLY PRIOR.
LAND AND THE CULT OF CUTHBERT, A REVERED EARLY PRIOR.
THE QUIET MONASTIC LIFE ENDED REVERED EARLY PRIOR.
THE QUIET MONASTIC LIFE ENDED WHEN HOLY ISLAND WAS DISCOVERED THE QUIET MONASTIC LIFE ENDED WHEN HOLY ISLAND WAS DISCOVERED BY THE VIKINGS, NOTORIOUS WHEN HOLY ISLAND WAS DISCOVERED BY THE VIKINGS, NOTORIOUS INVADERS FROM SCANDINAVIA.
BY THE VIKINGS, NOTORIOUS INVADERS FROM SCANDINAVIA.
BY THE LATE NINTH CENTURY, THE INVADERS FROM SCANDINAVIA.
BY THE LATE NINTH CENTURY, THE MONKS DECIDED THEY HAD HAD BY THE LATE NINTH CENTURY, THE MONKS DECIDED THEY HAD HAD ENOUGH OF THE EVER-PRESENT MONKS DECIDED THEY HAD HAD ENOUGH OF THE EVER-PRESENT THREAT OF VIKING RAIDS.
ENOUGH OF THE EVER-PRESENT THREAT OF VIKING RAIDS.
THEY DECIDED TO ABANDON THIS THREAT OF VIKING RAIDS.
THEY DECIDED TO ABANDON THIS WINDSWEPT ISLAND OF LINDISFARNE.
THEY DECIDED TO ABANDON THIS WINDSWEPT ISLAND OF LINDISFARNE.
THEY TOOK OFF FOR THE MAINLAND WINDSWEPT ISLAND OF LINDISFARNE.
THEY TOOK OFF FOR THE MAINLAND AND TOOK WITH THEM TWO OF THEIR THEY TOOK OFF FOR THE MAINLAND AND TOOK WITH THEM TWO OF THEIR MOST PRIZED POSSESSIONS, THE AND TOOK WITH THEM TWO OF THEIR MOST PRIZED POSSESSIONS, THE BODY OF SAINT CUTHBERT AND THE MOST PRIZED POSSESSIONS, THE BODY OF SAINT CUTHBERT AND THE GOSPELS.
BODY OF SAINT CUTHBERT AND THE GOSPELS.
AFTER A YEARS-LONG TREK ACROSS GOSPELS.
AFTER A YEARS-LONG TREK ACROSS THE NORTH OF ENGLAND, CUTHBERT AFTER A YEARS-LONG TREK ACROSS THE NORTH OF ENGLAND, CUTHBERT WAS REBURIED IN DURHAM THE NORTH OF ENGLAND, CUTHBERT WAS REBURIED IN DURHAM CATHEDRAL, WHERE THE MONASTERY WAS REBURIED IN DURHAM CATHEDRAL, WHERE THE MONASTERY WAS RE-ESTABLISHED.
CATHEDRAL, WHERE THE MONASTERY WAS RE-ESTABLISHED.
HIS TOMB STILL ATTRACTS WAS RE-ESTABLISHED.
HIS TOMB STILL ATTRACTS THOUSANDS OF VISITORS.
AS FOR HIS TOMB STILL ATTRACTS THOUSANDS OF VISITORS.
AS FOR THE GOSPELS, THE BOOK WOUND UP THOUSANDS OF VISITORS.
AS FOR THE GOSPELS, THE BOOK WOUND UP IN PRIVATE HANDS AFTER KING THE GOSPELS, THE BOOK WOUND UP IN PRIVATE HANDS AFTER KING HENRY VIII DISSOLVED THE IN PRIVATE HANDS AFTER KING HENRY VIII DISSOLVED THE MONASTERIES IN THE 16th CENTURY, HENRY VIII DISSOLVED THE MONASTERIES IN THE 16th CENTURY, AND IT WAS LATER DONATED TO THE MONASTERIES IN THE 16th CENTURY, AND IT WAS LATER DONATED TO THE BRITISH LIBRARY.
AND IT WAS LATER DONATED TO THE BRITISH LIBRARY.
TODAY, GAMESON SAYS IT OFFERS A BRITISH LIBRARY.
TODAY, GAMESON SAYS IT OFFERS A CHANCE TO RETHINK A PERIOD OFTEN TODAY, GAMESON SAYS IT OFFERS A CHANCE TO RETHINK A PERIOD OFTEN DISMISSED AS THE DARK AGES.
CHANCE TO RETHINK A PERIOD OFTEN DISMISSED AS THE DARK AGES.
THIS ELEGANT CALLIGRAPHY UNDER DISMISSED AS THE DARK AGES.
THIS ELEGANT CALLIGRAPHY UNDER DAUNTING CONDITIONS, PARCHMENT THIS ELEGANT CALLIGRAPHY UNDER DAUNTING CONDITIONS, PARCHMENT FROM THE SKINS OF 149 CALVES, DAUNTING CONDITIONS, PARCHMENT FROM THE SKINS OF 149 CALVES, COLORED INKS MADE FROM DIVERSE FROM THE SKINS OF 149 CALVES, COLORED INKS MADE FROM DIVERSE ANIMAL AND VEGETABLE SOURCES.
COLORED INKS MADE FROM DIVERSE ANIMAL AND VEGETABLE SOURCES.
ALSO, AMID THE VIVID DISPLAY OF ANIMAL AND VEGETABLE SOURCES.
ALSO, AMID THE VIVID DISPLAY OF HIS TALENT, THE SCRIBE BISHOP ALSO, AMID THE VIVID DISPLAY OF HIS TALENT, THE SCRIBE BISHOP EADFRITH WAS HUMAN AND MADE HIS TALENT, THE SCRIBE BISHOP EADFRITH WAS HUMAN AND MADE MISTAKES.
EADFRITH WAS HUMAN AND MADE MISTAKES.
>> BEAUTIFULLY SET OUT LIBER MISTAKES.
>> BEAUTIFULLY SET OUT LIBER GENERATIONIS, BUT WE CAN SEE, AS >> BEAUTIFULLY SET OUT LIBER GENERATIONIS, BUT WE CAN SEE, AS HE GETS TO THE LAST LINE, SLIGHT GENERATIONIS, BUT WE CAN SEE, AS HE GETS TO THE LAST LINE, SLIGHT DESPERATION.
HE GETS TO THE LAST LINE, SLIGHT DESPERATION.
HE HAS TO FIT LETTERS IN BETWEEN DESPERATION.
HE HAS TO FIT LETTERS IN BETWEEN OTHER WORDS, AND HERE HE EVEN HE HAS TO FIT LETTERS IN BETWEEN OTHER WORDS, AND HERE HE EVEN HAS TO BEND THE FRAME IN ORDER OTHER WORDS, AND HERE HE EVEN HAS TO BEND THE FRAME IN ORDER TO FIT ALL THE WORDS IN.
HAS TO BEND THE FRAME IN ORDER TO FIT ALL THE WORDS IN.
>> IT'S REALLY NICE FOR THE TO FIT ALL THE WORDS IN.
>> IT'S REALLY NICE FOR THE GOSPEL TO COME BACK HERE WHERE >> IT'S REALLY NICE FOR THE GOSPEL TO COME BACK HERE WHERE THEY BELONG, AND WE THINK THEY GOSPEL TO COME BACK HERE WHERE THEY BELONG, AND WE THINK THEY SHOULD STAY HERE.
THEY BELONG, AND WE THINK THEY SHOULD STAY HERE.
>> IT'S IN DURHAM THROUGH SHOULD STAY HERE.
>> IT'S IN DURHAM THROUGH SEPTEMBER.
>> IT'S IN DURHAM THROUGH SEPTEMBER.
AFTER THAT IT WHO L. TAKE A TRIP SEPTEMBER.
AFTER THAT IT WHO L. TAKE A TRIP TO LONDON'S BRITISH LIBRARY TO AFTER THAT IT WHO L. TAKE A TRIP TO LONDON'S BRITISH LIBRARY TO CATCH A GLIMPSE.
TO LONDON'S BRITISH LIBRARY TO CATCH A GLIMPSE.
FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS CATCH A GLIMPSE.
FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS FRED DE SAM FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS FRED DE SAM LAZARO IN DURHAM, ENGLAND.
NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS FRED DE SAM LAZARO IN DURHAM, ENGLAND.
>>> ON OUR CALENDAR, THE LAZARO IN DURHAM, ENGLAND.
>>> ON OUR CALENDAR, THE SEVEN-DAY JEWISH FESTIVAL OF >>> ON OUR CALENDAR, THE SEVEN-DAY JEWISH FESTIVAL OF SUKKOT ENDS WEDNESDAY.
SEVEN-DAY JEWISH FESTIVAL OF SUKKOT ENDS WEDNESDAY.
AFTER SUKKOT, JEWS CELEBRATE SUKKOT ENDS WEDNESDAY.
AFTER SUKKOT, JEWS CELEBRATE SIMCHAT TORAH, WHICH MARKS THE AFTER SUKKOT, JEWS CELEBRATE SIMCHAT TORAH, WHICH MARKS THE END OF THE ANNUAL TORAH READING SIMCHAT TORAH, WHICH MARKS THE END OF THE ANNUAL TORAH READING CYCLE.
END OF THE ANNUAL TORAH READING CYCLE.
THE JOYOUS CELEBRATIONS OFTEN CYCLE.
THE JOYOUS CELEBRATIONS OFTEN INCLUDE DANCING IN THE STREETS THE JOYOUS CELEBRATIONS OFTEN INCLUDE DANCING IN THE STREETS WITH TORAH SCROLLS.
INCLUDE DANCING IN THE STREETS WITH TORAH SCROLLS.
>>> THE PROMINENT 20th CENTURY WITH TORAH SCROLLS.
>>> THE PROMINENT 20th CENTURY ARTIST MARC CHAGALL IS WELL >>> THE PROMINENT 20th CENTURY ARTIST MARC CHAGALL IS WELL KNOWN FOR HIS WHIMSICAL ARTIST MARC CHAGALL IS WELL KNOWN FOR HIS WHIMSICAL PAINTINGS OF JEWISH VILLAGE LIFE KNOWN FOR HIS WHIMSICAL PAINTINGS OF JEWISH VILLAGE LIFE IN RUSSIA.
PAINTINGS OF JEWISH VILLAGE LIFE IN RUSSIA.
LESS WELL KNOWN IS THAT IN RUSSIA.
LESS WELL KNOWN IS THAT THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER CHAGALL LESS WELL KNOWN IS THAT THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER CHAGALL MADE OVER 100 PAINTINGS OF A THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER CHAGALL MADE OVER 100 PAINTINGS OF A CRUCIFIED JEWISH JESUS TO MADE OVER 100 PAINTINGS OF A CRUCIFIED JEWISH JESUS TO PERSONIFY JEWISH SUFFERING AND CRUCIFIED JEWISH JESUS TO PERSONIFY JEWISH SUFFERING AND PERSECUTION, ESPECIALLY DURING PERSONIFY JEWISH SUFFERING AND PERSECUTION, ESPECIALLY DURING THE HOLOCAUST.
PERSECUTION, ESPECIALLY DURING THE HOLOCAUST.
AT THE JEWISH MUSEUM IN NEW YORK THE HOLOCAUST.
AT THE JEWISH MUSEUM IN NEW YORK THERE IS A SPECIAL EXHIBIT OF AT THE JEWISH MUSEUM IN NEW YORK THERE IS A SPECIAL EXHIBIT OF THESE PAINTINGS.
THERE IS A SPECIAL EXHIBIT OF THESE PAINTINGS.
WE SPOKE THERE WITH SENIOR THESE PAINTINGS.
WE SPOKE THERE WITH SENIOR CURATOR SUSAN TUMARKIN GOODMAN.
WE SPOKE THERE WITH SENIOR CURATOR SUSAN TUMARKIN GOODMAN.
>> CHAGALL GREW UP IN A SHTETL CURATOR SUSAN TUMARKIN GOODMAN.
>> CHAGALL GREW UP IN A SHTETL IN VITEBSK, IN BELARUS, AND HIS >> CHAGALL GREW UP IN A SHTETL IN VITEBSK, IN BELARUS, AND HIS FAMILY WAS HASSIDIC.
IN VITEBSK, IN BELARUS, AND HIS FAMILY WAS HASSIDIC.
MANY OF THE IMAGES THAT WE SEE FAMILY WAS HASSIDIC.
MANY OF THE IMAGES THAT WE SEE THROUGHOUT CHAGALL'S LIFE DERIVE MANY OF THE IMAGES THAT WE SEE THROUGHOUT CHAGALL'S LIFE DERIVE FROM THOSE EARLY YEARS.
THROUGHOUT CHAGALL'S LIFE DERIVE FROM THOSE EARLY YEARS.
THERE'S THE FISH THAT KEEPS FROM THOSE EARLY YEARS.
THERE'S THE FISH THAT KEEPS RECURRING THAT, PERHAPS, THERE'S THE FISH THAT KEEPS RECURRING THAT, PERHAPS, REFERENCES THE FACT THAT HIS RECURRING THAT, PERHAPS, REFERENCES THE FACT THAT HIS FATHER WAS A LABORER IN A REFERENCES THE FACT THAT HIS FATHER WAS A LABORER IN A HERRING FACTORY, THE VIOLIN, FATHER WAS A LABORER IN A HERRING FACTORY, THE VIOLIN, WHICH MUST RELATE BACK TO THE HERRING FACTORY, THE VIOLIN, WHICH MUST RELATE BACK TO THE KLEZMER-PLAYERS THAT HE HEARD WHICH MUST RELATE BACK TO THE KLEZMER-PLAYERS THAT HE HEARD WHEN HE WAS A CHILD, AND, AS KLEZMER-PLAYERS THAT HE HEARD WHEN HE WAS A CHILD, AND, AS HE'S USED IT IN MANY OF THE WHEN HE WAS A CHILD, AND, AS HE'S USED IT IN MANY OF THE WORKS, IT SEEMS TO BE A HE'S USED IT IN MANY OF THE WORKS, IT SEEMS TO BE A CONSOLING INSTRUMENT FOR THESE WORKS, IT SEEMS TO BE A CONSOLING INSTRUMENT FOR THESE JEWS THAT ARE IN SUCH DIRE CONSOLING INSTRUMENT FOR THESE JEWS THAT ARE IN SUCH DIRE STRAITS.
JEWS THAT ARE IN SUCH DIRE STRAITS.
HE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED AND STRAITS.
HE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED AND KNEW ABOUT JEWISH PERSECUTION HE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED AND KNEW ABOUT JEWISH PERSECUTION AND THE POGROMS THAT PREVAILED.
KNEW ABOUT JEWISH PERSECUTION AND THE POGROMS THAT PREVAILED.
"SOLITUDE" IS AN IMPORTANT WORK AND THE POGROMS THAT PREVAILED.
"SOLITUDE" IS AN IMPORTANT WORK BECAUSE IT WAS CREATED IN DIRECT "SOLITUDE" IS AN IMPORTANT WORK BECAUSE IT WAS CREATED IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO HITLER'S ELECTION AS BECAUSE IT WAS CREATED IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO HITLER'S ELECTION AS CHANCELLOR IN GERMANY.
RESPONSE TO HITLER'S ELECTION AS CHANCELLOR IN GERMANY.
THAT WAS PRETTY EARLY FOR HIM TO CHANCELLOR IN GERMANY.
THAT WAS PRETTY EARLY FOR HIM TO DO A PAINTING WITH SUCH DESPAIR, THAT WAS PRETTY EARLY FOR HIM TO DO A PAINTING WITH SUCH DESPAIR, WHERE WE SEE THE ANGEL FLYING DO A PAINTING WITH SUCH DESPAIR, WHERE WE SEE THE ANGEL FLYING AWAY AS IF ABANDONING THE JEWS WHERE WE SEE THE ANGEL FLYING AWAY AS IF ABANDONING THE JEWS TO THEIR FATE.
AWAY AS IF ABANDONING THE JEWS TO THEIR FATE.
IN 1938, CHAGALL STARTS TO USE TO THEIR FATE.
IN 1938, CHAGALL STARTS TO USE THE IMAGE OF THE JEWISH JESUS.
IN 1938, CHAGALL STARTS TO USE THE IMAGE OF THE JEWISH JESUS.
HE COULD THINK OF NO MORE THE IMAGE OF THE JEWISH JESUS.
HE COULD THINK OF NO MORE POWERFUL WAY TO CONVEY HIS HE COULD THINK OF NO MORE POWERFUL WAY TO CONVEY HIS ANGUISH AT THE ANNIHILATION OF POWERFUL WAY TO CONVEY HIS ANGUISH AT THE ANNIHILATION OF EUROPEAN JEWRY.
ANGUISH AT THE ANNIHILATION OF EUROPEAN JEWRY.
HE EQUATED THE JEWISH JESUS ON A EUROPEAN JEWRY.
HE EQUATED THE JEWISH JESUS ON A CROSS WITH THE MARTYRED JEWISH HE EQUATED THE JEWISH JESUS ON A CROSS WITH THE MARTYRED JEWISH PEOPLE, AND HE REALLY DID CROSS WITH THE MARTYRED JEWISH PEOPLE, AND HE REALLY DID BELIEVE THAT IF HE COULD SHOW PEOPLE, AND HE REALLY DID BELIEVE THAT IF HE COULD SHOW THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY THAT THE BELIEVE THAT IF HE COULD SHOW THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY THAT THE PERSECUTION OF THE JEWS WAS THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY THAT THE PERSECUTION OF THE JEWS WAS ESSENTIALLY PERSECUTING A JEW PERSECUTION OF THE JEWS WAS ESSENTIALLY PERSECUTING A JEW JUST LIKE JESUS, WHO WAS ONE OF ESSENTIALLY PERSECUTING A JEW JUST LIKE JESUS, WHO WAS ONE OF "US" AND ONE OF "THEM."
JUST LIKE JESUS, WHO WAS ONE OF "US" AND ONE OF "THEM."
THERE WAS AN EQUIVALENCE THERE.
"US" AND ONE OF "THEM."
THERE WAS AN EQUIVALENCE THERE.
THAT WORK THAT SHOWS AN EXPLICIT THERE WAS AN EQUIVALENCE THERE.
THAT WORK THAT SHOWS AN EXPLICIT IMAGE OF A NAZI COMES FROM THAT WORK THAT SHOWS AN EXPLICIT IMAGE OF A NAZI COMES FROM REVELATIONS IN 1945 ABOUT THE IMAGE OF A NAZI COMES FROM REVELATIONS IN 1945 ABOUT THE DEATH CAMPS.
REVELATIONS IN 1945 ABOUT THE DEATH CAMPS.
AND CHAGALL WAS SITTING IN THIS DEATH CAMPS.
AND CHAGALL WAS SITTING IN THIS COUNTRY TOTALLY FRUSTRATED THERE AND CHAGALL WAS SITTING IN THIS COUNTRY TOTALLY FRUSTRATED THERE WAS NOTHING HE COULD DO, AND HE COUNTRY TOTALLY FRUSTRATED THERE WAS NOTHING HE COULD DO, AND HE FELT THE NEED TO EXPRESS IT.
WAS NOTHING HE COULD DO, AND HE FELT THE NEED TO EXPRESS IT.
IT'S A VERY IDIOSYNCRATIC WORK.
FELT THE NEED TO EXPRESS IT.
IT'S A VERY IDIOSYNCRATIC WORK.
AND, IN FACT, THE JESUS FIGURE IT'S A VERY IDIOSYNCRATIC WORK.
AND, IN FACT, THE JESUS FIGURE IS NUDE, WHICH IS UNUSUAL FOR AND, IN FACT, THE JESUS FIGURE IS NUDE, WHICH IS UNUSUAL FOR CHAGALL, AND HE'S WRAPPED IN A IS NUDE, WHICH IS UNUSUAL FOR CHAGALL, AND HE'S WRAPPED IN A TALLIT THAT COVERS HIS WHOLE CHAGALL, AND HE'S WRAPPED IN A TALLIT THAT COVERS HIS WHOLE BODY.
TALLIT THAT COVERS HIS WHOLE BODY.
HE DIDN'T EVER GIVE UP HIS BODY.
HE DIDN'T EVER GIVE UP HIS CONNECTION TO JUDAISM, HE WASN'T HE DIDN'T EVER GIVE UP HIS CONNECTION TO JUDAISM, HE WASN'T AN OBSERVANT JEW, BUT AS OPPOSED CONNECTION TO JUDAISM, HE WASN'T AN OBSERVANT JEW, BUT AS OPPOSED TO MANY OF HIS CO-RELIGIONISTS AN OBSERVANT JEW, BUT AS OPPOSED TO MANY OF HIS CO-RELIGIONISTS WHO ACTUALLY DID CONVERT, TO MANY OF HIS CO-RELIGIONISTS WHO ACTUALLY DID CONVERT, CHAGALL NEVER DID.
WHO ACTUALLY DID CONVERT, CHAGALL NEVER DID.
AND, IN FACT HE INCLUDED AND CHAGALL NEVER DID.
AND, IN FACT HE INCLUDED AND ABSORBED JEWISH CULTURE WITHIN AND, IN FACT HE INCLUDED AND ABSORBED JEWISH CULTURE WITHIN HIS PAINTINGS, EVEN THE ONES ABSORBED JEWISH CULTURE WITHIN HIS PAINTINGS, EVEN THE ONES WHERE HE USES THE JEWISH JESUS.
HIS PAINTINGS, EVEN THE ONES WHERE HE USES THE JEWISH JESUS.
IN EXODUS, IT'S A COMPLEX WHERE HE USES THE JEWISH JESUS.
IN EXODUS, IT'S A COMPLEX THEOLOGICAL PAINTING, BECAUSE IN EXODUS, IT'S A COMPLEX THEOLOGICAL PAINTING, BECAUSE THERE'S A JESUS FIGURE, IT'S THEOLOGICAL PAINTING, BECAUSE THERE'S A JESUS FIGURE, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT JEWISH, THE THERE'S A JESUS FIGURE, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT JEWISH, THE FIGURE IS JESUS TRIUMPHANT AND DEFINITELY NOT JEWISH, THE FIGURE IS JESUS TRIUMPHANT AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE ARTIST, FIGURE IS JESUS TRIUMPHANT AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE ARTIST, CHAGALL, IS IDENTIFYING MORE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE ARTIST, CHAGALL, IS IDENTIFYING MORE WITH THE JESUS FIGURE THAN WITH CHAGALL, IS IDENTIFYING MORE WITH THE JESUS FIGURE THAN WITH MOSES, WHO'S RELEGATED TO THE WITH THE JESUS FIGURE THAN WITH MOSES, WHO'S RELEGATED TO THE RIGHT-HAND CORNER.
MOSES, WHO'S RELEGATED TO THE RIGHT-HAND CORNER.
THE WAR WAS OVER.
RIGHT-HAND CORNER.
THE WAR WAS OVER.
AND THE POPULATION NEEDED A KIND THE WAR WAS OVER.
AND THE POPULATION NEEDED A KIND OF SPIRITUAL UPLIFT AND HOPE, AND THE POPULATION NEEDED A KIND OF SPIRITUAL UPLIFT AND HOPE, AND TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE OF SPIRITUAL UPLIFT AND HOPE, AND TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE JEWISH CULTURE HAD SURVIVED.
AND TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE JEWISH CULTURE HAD SURVIVED.
AND HE WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS JEWISH CULTURE HAD SURVIVED.
AND HE WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS IN A WAY THAT NO OTHER ARTIST AT AND HE WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS IN A WAY THAT NO OTHER ARTIST AT THE TIME COULD DO.
IN A WAY THAT NO OTHER ARTIST AT THE TIME COULD DO.
IF WE CAN CONTEXTUALIZE THE ART THE TIME COULD DO.
IF WE CAN CONTEXTUALIZE THE ART THAT HE CREATED DURING THESE IF WE CAN CONTEXTUALIZE THE ART THAT HE CREATED DURING THESE YEARS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT HE THAT HE CREATED DURING THESE YEARS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT HE WAS GOING THROUGH, HIS YEARS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT HE WAS GOING THROUGH, HIS EXPERIENCES AT THE TIME, I THINK WAS GOING THROUGH, HIS EXPERIENCES AT THE TIME, I THINK WE WILL COME UP WITH A BETTER EXPERIENCES AT THE TIME, I THINK WE WILL COME UP WITH A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, A NEW WE WILL COME UP WITH A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, A NEW UNDERSTANDING OF CHAGALL.
UNDERSTANDING, A NEW UNDERSTANDING OF CHAGALL.
>>> FINALLY, SOME SAD NEWS THIS UNDERSTANDING OF CHAGALL.
>>> FINALLY, SOME SAD NEWS THIS WEEK IN OUR "RELIGION AND ETHICS >>> FINALLY, SOME SAD NEWS THIS WEEK IN OUR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY" FAMILY.
WEEK IN OUR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY" FAMILY.
PHIL O'CONNOR, OUR SUPERVISING NEWSWEEKLY" FAMILY.
PHIL O'CONNOR, OUR SUPERVISING PRODUCER AND DEAR FRIEND, DIED PHIL O'CONNOR, OUR SUPERVISING PRODUCER AND DEAR FRIEND, DIED OF CANCER.
PRODUCER AND DEAR FRIEND, DIED OF CANCER.
HE WAS A SUPERB NEWS PRODUCER, A OF CANCER.
HE WAS A SUPERB NEWS PRODUCER, A GENIAL COLLEAGUE AND AN HE WAS A SUPERB NEWS PRODUCER, A GENIAL COLLEAGUE AND AN EXTRAORDINARILY GOOD MAN.
GENIAL COLLEAGUE AND AN EXTRAORDINARILY GOOD MAN.
HE LOVED GREAT STORIES, FRENCH EXTRAORDINARILY GOOD MAN.
HE LOVED GREAT STORIES, FRENCH WINE, STAYING FIT, THE CHICAGO HE LOVED GREAT STORIES, FRENCH WINE, STAYING FIT, THE CHICAGO CUBS, JESUIT RETREATS AND HIS WINE, STAYING FIT, THE CHICAGO CUBS, JESUIT RETREATS AND HIS WIFE AND FAMILY, TO WHOM WE SEND CUBS, JESUIT RETREATS AND HIS WIFE AND FAMILY, TO WHOM WE SEND OUR DEEPEST SYMPATHY.
WIFE AND FAMILY, TO WHOM WE SEND OUR DEEPEST SYMPATHY.
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