>>> COMING UP -- >>> COMING UP -- DAVID TERESHCHUCK ON WHAT THE >>> COMING UP -- DAVID TERESHCHUCK ON WHAT THE UNITED STATES CAN LEARN FROM DAVID TERESHCHUCK ON WHAT THE UNITED STATES CAN LEARN FROM BRITAIN ABOUT FIGHTING UNITED STATES CAN LEARN FROM BRITAIN ABOUT FIGHTING TERRORISM.
BRITAIN ABOUT FIGHTING TERRORISM.
>> YOU'VE GOT TO SWALLOW A BIT TERRORISM.
>> YOU'VE GOT TO SWALLOW A BIT OF PRIDE AND SAY, YES, WE HAVE A >> YOU'VE GOT TO SWALLOW A BIT OF PRIDE AND SAY, YES, WE HAVE A HOMEGROWN PROBLEM.
OF PRIDE AND SAY, YES, WE HAVE A HOMEGROWN PROBLEM.
♪ HOMEGROWN PROBLEM.
♪ >>> AND, THE RAPID GROWTH IN THE ♪ >>> AND, THE RAPID GROWTH IN THE NUMBER OF EVANGELICAL >>> AND, THE RAPID GROWTH IN THE NUMBER OF EVANGELICAL PROTESTANTS WHO ARE HISPANIC.
NUMBER OF EVANGELICAL PROTESTANTS WHO ARE HISPANIC.
>> GOD IS SAYING, I'VE GOT THE PROTESTANTS WHO ARE HISPANIC.
>> GOD IS SAYING, I'VE GOT THE MONEY.
>> GOD IS SAYING, I'VE GOT THE MONEY.
I'VE GOT THE RESOURCES.
MONEY.
I'VE GOT THE RESOURCES.
WHAT I NEED IS A CHURCH THAT'S I'VE GOT THE RESOURCES.
WHAT I NEED IS A CHURCH THAT'S >>> WELCOME.
WHAT I NEED IS A CHURCH THAT'S >>> WELCOME.
I'M DEBORAH POTTER, SITTING IN >>> WELCOME.
I'M DEBORAH POTTER, SITTING IN FOR BOB ABERNETHY.
I'M DEBORAH POTTER, SITTING IN FOR BOB ABERNETHY.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
FOR BOB ABERNETHY.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
FAITH COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
FAITH COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY REACTED THIS WEEK TO THE FAITH COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY REACTED THIS WEEK TO THE ACQUITTAL OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IN COUNTRY REACTED THIS WEEK TO THE ACQUITTAL OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IN THE SHOOTING DEATH OF TRAYVON ACQUITTAL OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IN THE SHOOTING DEATH OF TRAYVON MARTIN, AN UNARMED BLACK THE SHOOTING DEATH OF TRAYVON MARTIN, AN UNARMED BLACK TEENAGER.
MARTIN, AN UNARMED BLACK TEENAGER.
DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST THE TEENAGER.
DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST THE VERDICT WERE MOSTLY PEACEFUL.
DEMONSTRATIONS AGAINST THE VERDICT WERE MOSTLY PEACEFUL.
SOME MINISTERS ORGANIZED VIGILS VERDICT WERE MOSTLY PEACEFUL.
SOME MINISTERS ORGANIZED VIGILS TO PRESS FOR FEDERAL CIVIL SOME MINISTERS ORGANIZED VIGILS TO PRESS FOR FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS CHARGES AGAINST TO PRESS FOR FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS CHARGES AGAINST ZIMMERMAN.
RIGHTS CHARGES AGAINST ZIMMERMAN.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL ZIMMERMAN.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF CHURCHES SAID PEOPLE THE PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF CHURCHES SAID PEOPLE OF FAITH SHOULD JOIN IN A COUNCIL OF CHURCHES SAID PEOPLE OF FAITH SHOULD JOIN IN A RENEWED CALL FOR RACIAL JUSTICE.
OF FAITH SHOULD JOIN IN A RENEWED CALL FOR RACIAL JUSTICE.
JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT ALL RENEWED CALL FOR RACIAL JUSTICE.
JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT ALL THIS ARE KIM LAWTON, MANAGING JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT ALL THIS ARE KIM LAWTON, MANAGING EDITOR OF THIS PROGRAM AND THE THIS ARE KIM LAWTON, MANAGING EDITOR OF THIS PROGRAM AND THE REVERAND ROMAL TUNE, FOUNDER OF EDITOR OF THIS PROGRAM AND THE REVERAND ROMAL TUNE, FOUNDER OF THE NON-PROFIT GROUP FAITH FOR REVERAND ROMAL TUNE, FOUNDER OF THE NON-PROFIT GROUP FAITH FOR CHANGE.
THE NON-PROFIT GROUP FAITH FOR CHANGE.
ROMAL, LET ME START WITH YOU, CHANGE.
ROMAL, LET ME START WITH YOU, THERE WERE SOME VERY ANGRY ROMAL, LET ME START WITH YOU, THERE WERE SOME VERY ANGRY REACTIONS TO THE VERDICT IN THE THERE WERE SOME VERY ANGRY REACTIONS TO THE VERDICT IN THE ZIMMERMAN CASE AND THE PRESIDENT REACTIONS TO THE VERDICT IN THE ZIMMERMAN CASE AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL BLACK CHURCH ZIMMERMAN CASE AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE NATIONAL BLACK CHURCH INITIATIVE SAID THAT IT GAVE ANY OF THE NATIONAL BLACK CHURCH INITIATIVE SAID THAT IT GAVE ANY WHITE MALE WHO FELT THREATENED INITIATIVE SAID THAT IT GAVE ANY WHITE MALE WHO FELT THREATENED THE LICENSE TO KILL YOUNG BLACK WHITE MALE WHO FELT THREATENED THE LICENSE TO KILL YOUNG BLACK BOYS.
THE LICENSE TO KILL YOUNG BLACK BOYS.
WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THAT BOYS.
WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THAT REACTION?
WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THAT REACTION?
>> WELL, I THINK AT THE CORE OF REACTION?
>> WELL, I THINK AT THE CORE OF THE ANGER, THE ROOT OF IT WAS >> WELL, I THINK AT THE CORE OF THE ANGER, THE ROOT OF IT WAS SADNESS.
THE ANGER, THE ROOT OF IT WAS SADNESS.
THE VERDICT REALLY SAID TO YOUNG SADNESS.
THE VERDICT REALLY SAID TO YOUNG AFRICAN AMERICAN MALES THAT YOU THE VERDICT REALLY SAID TO YOUNG AFRICAN AMERICAN MALES THAT YOU DON'T MATTER AND SO THAT SADNESS AFRICAN AMERICAN MALES THAT YOU DON'T MATTER AND SO THAT SADNESS AND THAT CONTINUED REJECTION BY DON'T MATTER AND SO THAT SADNESS AND THAT CONTINUED REJECTION BY SOCIETY THEN LED TO THE ANGER AND THAT CONTINUED REJECTION BY SOCIETY THEN LED TO THE ANGER THAT THEN LED TO SOME OF THE SOCIETY THEN LED TO THE ANGER THAT THEN LED TO SOME OF THE BEHAVIOR WE SAW IN THE THAT THEN LED TO SOME OF THE BEHAVIOR WE SAW IN THE COMMUNITIES.
BEHAVIOR WE SAW IN THE COMMUNITIES.
>> WHAT OTHER KINDS OF REACTIONS COMMUNITIES.
>> WHAT OTHER KINDS OF REACTIONS HAVE YOU BEEN HEARING, KIM?
>> WHAT OTHER KINDS OF REACTIONS HAVE YOU BEEN HEARING, KIM?
>> WELL A MIX, YOU KNOW, AS IN HAVE YOU BEEN HEARING, KIM?
>> WELL A MIX, YOU KNOW, AS IN SOCIETY, BUT I'VE BEEN REALLY >> WELL A MIX, YOU KNOW, AS IN SOCIETY, BUT I'VE BEEN REALLY SURPRISED BY THE LEVEL OF CALLS SOCIETY, BUT I'VE BEEN REALLY SURPRISED BY THE LEVEL OF CALLS FOR CONVERSATIONS COMING OUT OF SURPRISED BY THE LEVEL OF CALLS FOR CONVERSATIONS COMING OUT OF THIS AND ESPECIALLY IN THE FAITH FOR CONVERSATIONS COMING OUT OF THIS AND ESPECIALLY IN THE FAITH COMMUNITY THERE'S BEEN SEEMS THIS AND ESPECIALLY IN THE FAITH COMMUNITY THERE'S BEEN SEEMS LIKE A REAL COMING TOGETHER OF COMMUNITY THERE'S BEEN SEEMS LIKE A REAL COMING TOGETHER OF PEOPLE SAYING WE SHOULD TALK LIKE A REAL COMING TOGETHER OF PEOPLE SAYING WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES, NO MATTER PEOPLE SAYING WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES, NO MATTER WHAT WE FELT ABOUT THE VERDICT, ABOUT THESE ISSUES, NO MATTER WHAT WE FELT ABOUT THE VERDICT, WE WANT TO SEE A NEW DIALOGUE IN WHAT WE FELT ABOUT THE VERDICT, WE WANT TO SEE A NEW DIALOGUE IN THIS COUNTRY PRECISELY TO WE WANT TO SEE A NEW DIALOGUE IN THIS COUNTRY PRECISELY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PAIN THAT THIS COUNTRY PRECISELY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PAIN THAT ROMAL WAS TALKING ABOUT AND SOME ADDRESS SOME OF THE PAIN THAT ROMAL WAS TALKING ABOUT AND SOME OF THE INJUSTICE AND ALL OF ROMAL WAS TALKING ABOUT AND SOME OF THE INJUSTICE AND ALL OF THOSE DIVISIONS THAT PERSIST.
OF THE INJUSTICE AND ALL OF THOSE DIVISIONS THAT PERSIST.
>> ROMAL, WHAT KIND OF DIALOGUE THOSE DIVISIONS THAT PERSIST.
>> ROMAL, WHAT KIND OF DIALOGUE COULD BE PRODUCTIVE NOW AND WHAT >> ROMAL, WHAT KIND OF DIALOGUE COULD BE PRODUCTIVE NOW AND WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE FAITH COULD BE PRODUCTIVE NOW AND WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE FAITH COMMUNITY IN STIRRING UP THAT IS THE ROLE OF THE FAITH COMMUNITY IN STIRRING UP THAT DIALOGUE?
COMMUNITY IN STIRRING UP THAT DIALOGUE?
>> I THINK THE DIALOGUE THAT DIALOGUE?
>> I THINK THE DIALOGUE THAT SHOULD BE HAD SPECIFICALLY IN >> I THINK THE DIALOGUE THAT SHOULD BE HAD SPECIFICALLY IN THE FAITH COMMUNITY IS HOW DO WE SHOULD BE HAD SPECIFICALLY IN THE FAITH COMMUNITY IS HOW DO WE REALLY GO ABOUT BEING THIS THE FAITH COMMUNITY IS HOW DO WE REALLY GO ABOUT BEING THIS COMMUNITY OF FAITH THAT IS REALLY GO ABOUT BEING THIS COMMUNITY OF FAITH THAT IS MULTICULTURAL AND DIVERSE AND COMMUNITY OF FAITH THAT IS MULTICULTURAL AND DIVERSE AND EQUAL BUT WITH THAT MOVING FROM MULTICULTURAL AND DIVERSE AND EQUAL BUT WITH THAT MOVING FROM THE CONVERSATION AND LOOKING AT EQUAL BUT WITH THAT MOVING FROM THE CONVERSATION AND LOOKING AT ACTION STEPS.
THE CONVERSATION AND LOOKING AT ACTION STEPS.
WE REALLY HAVE TO ADDRESS HOW ACTION STEPS.
WE REALLY HAVE TO ADDRESS HOW WE'RE GOING TO ENGAGE INNER CITY WE REALLY HAVE TO ADDRESS HOW WE'RE GOING TO ENGAGE INNER CITY YOUTH AND REALLY MEET THE NEEDS WE'RE GOING TO ENGAGE INNER CITY YOUTH AND REALLY MEET THE NEEDS OF THE UNDERSERVED.
YOUTH AND REALLY MEET THE NEEDS OF THE UNDERSERVED.
SO, THE CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE OF THE UNDERSERVED.
SO, THE CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE TWO-FOLD IN TERMS OF LOOKING TO SO, THE CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE TWO-FOLD IN TERMS OF LOOKING TO IDENTIFY HOW WE CAN BE MORE TWO-FOLD IN TERMS OF LOOKING TO IDENTIFY HOW WE CAN BE MORE DIVERSE AND EQUAL AND EMBRACE IDENTIFY HOW WE CAN BE MORE DIVERSE AND EQUAL AND EMBRACE OUR DIFFERENCES BUT THEN ALSO DIVERSE AND EQUAL AND EMBRACE OUR DIFFERENCES BUT THEN ALSO ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF OUR DIFFERENCES BUT THEN ALSO ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF TEENAGERS IN THE INNER CITY.
ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF TEENAGERS IN THE INNER CITY.
>> AND I WAS REALLY SURPRISED TEENAGERS IN THE INNER CITY.
>> AND I WAS REALLY SURPRISED THIS WEEK BY SOME OF THE NEW >> AND I WAS REALLY SURPRISED THIS WEEK BY SOME OF THE NEW VOICES I'VE BEEN HEARING IN SOME THIS WEEK BY SOME OF THE NEW VOICES I'VE BEEN HEARING IN SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT ROMAL'S VOICES I'VE BEEN HEARING IN SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT ROMAL'S TALKING ABOUT.
OF THESE ISSUES THAT ROMAL'S TALKING ABOUT.
EVEN IN THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST TALKING ABOUT.
EVEN IN THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION, WHICH IS POLITICALLY EVEN IN THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION, WHICH IS POLITICALLY PRETTY CONSERVATIVE, RACE HASN'T CONVENTION, WHICH IS POLITICALLY PRETTY CONSERVATIVE, RACE HASN'T BEEN AT THE TOP OF THEIR AGENDA PRETTY CONSERVATIVE, RACE HASN'T BEEN AT THE TOP OF THEIR AGENDA UNTIL RECENTLY BUT HEARING FROM BEEN AT THE TOP OF THEIR AGENDA UNTIL RECENTLY BUT HEARING FROM THEM CALLS YES FOR PRAYER BUT UNTIL RECENTLY BUT HEARING FROM THEM CALLS YES FOR PRAYER BUT ALSO SOME OF THEIR LEADERS THEM CALLS YES FOR PRAYER BUT ALSO SOME OF THEIR LEADERS TALKING ABOUT ENGAGING ISSUES ALSO SOME OF THEIR LEADERS TALKING ABOUT ENGAGING ISSUES LIKE THE DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER TALKING ABOUT ENGAGING ISSUES LIKE THE DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF YOUNG AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN IN LIKE THE DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF YOUNG AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN IN PRISON OR ON DEATH ROW.
OF YOUNG AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN IN PRISON OR ON DEATH ROW.
THOSE ARE NOT ISSUES YOU'VE PRISON OR ON DEATH ROW.
THOSE ARE NOT ISSUES YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST THOSE ARE NOT ISSUES YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION A LOT IN MANY AREAS HEARD FROM THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION A LOT IN MANY AREAS OF IT IN THE PAST AND SO IT'S CONVENTION A LOT IN MANY AREAS OF IT IN THE PAST AND SO IT'S INTERESTING HOW THIS PARTICULAR OF IT IN THE PAST AND SO IT'S INTERESTING HOW THIS PARTICULAR CASE HAS SPURRED CONVERSATION INTERESTING HOW THIS PARTICULAR CASE HAS SPURRED CONVERSATION BUT MAYBE SOME NEW ACTION AS CASE HAS SPURRED CONVERSATION BUT MAYBE SOME NEW ACTION AS WELL.
BUT MAYBE SOME NEW ACTION AS WELL.
>> YOU KNOW, ROMAL, ONE OF THE WELL.
>> YOU KNOW, ROMAL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES THIS DIFFICULT >> YOU KNOW, ROMAL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES THIS DIFFICULT I SUSPECT IS THE CONTINUED SORT THINGS THAT MAKES THIS DIFFICULT I SUSPECT IS THE CONTINUED SORT OF SEGREGATION OF SUNDAY I SUSPECT IS THE CONTINUED SORT OF SEGREGATION OF SUNDAY MORNING, IF YOU WILL.
OF SEGREGATION OF SUNDAY MORNING, IF YOU WILL.
THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, BLACKS MORNING, IF YOU WILL.
THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, BLACKS AND WHITES DON'T WORSHIP THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, BLACKS AND WHITES DON'T WORSHIP TOGETHER TYPICALLY AND SO THEY AND WHITES DON'T WORSHIP TOGETHER TYPICALLY AND SO THEY DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER IN THIS TOGETHER TYPICALLY AND SO THEY DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER IN THIS CONTEXT.
DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER IN THIS CONTEXT.
DOES THAT HAVE TO CHANGE AND HOW CONTEXT.
DOES THAT HAVE TO CHANGE AND HOW COULD IT CHANGE?
DOES THAT HAVE TO CHANGE AND HOW COULD IT CHANGE?
>> IT DEFINITELY HAS TO CHANGE.
COULD IT CHANGE?
>> IT DEFINITELY HAS TO CHANGE.
I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE >> IT DEFINITELY HAS TO CHANGE.
I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE GOSPEL AND WE LOOK AT WHAT THE I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE GOSPEL AND WE LOOK AT WHAT THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN REALLY LOOKS GOSPEL AND WE LOOK AT WHAT THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN REALLY LOOKS LIKE, IT IS NOT SEGREGATED.
KINGDOM OF HEAVEN REALLY LOOKS LIKE, IT IS NOT SEGREGATED.
THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS INCLUSIVE.
LIKE, IT IS NOT SEGREGATED.
THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS INCLUSIVE.
IT'S CULTURALLY DIVERSE.
THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS INCLUSIVE.
IT'S CULTURALLY DIVERSE.
IN ORDER TO OVERCOME SOME OF THE IT'S CULTURALLY DIVERSE.
IN ORDER TO OVERCOME SOME OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE NOW ON SUNDAY IN ORDER TO OVERCOME SOME OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE NOW ON SUNDAY MORNING WE REALLY HAVE TO ISSUES WE HAVE NOW ON SUNDAY MORNING WE REALLY HAVE TO ADDRESS ISSUES OF POWER AND MORNING WE REALLY HAVE TO ADDRESS ISSUES OF POWER AND LEADERSHIP WITHIN CONGREGATIONS ADDRESS ISSUES OF POWER AND LEADERSHIP WITHIN CONGREGATIONS AND WHAT ARE WE REALLY LEADERSHIP WITHIN CONGREGATIONS AND WHAT ARE WE REALLY PERPETUATING WITH THE GOSPEL.
AND WHAT ARE WE REALLY PERPETUATING WITH THE GOSPEL.
ARE WE REALLY SEEKING TO BE AN PERPETUATING WITH THE GOSPEL.
ARE WE REALLY SEEKING TO BE AN EXAMPLE OF THE KINGDOM ON EARTH ARE WE REALLY SEEKING TO BE AN EXAMPLE OF THE KINGDOM ON EARTH OR ARE WE UNCONSCIOUSLY AND EXAMPLE OF THE KINGDOM ON EARTH OR ARE WE UNCONSCIOUSLY AND PERHAPS IN SOME WAYS CONSCIOUSLY OR ARE WE UNCONSCIOUSLY AND PERHAPS IN SOME WAYS CONSCIOUSLY LIVING IN OUR SILOS.
BUT, IT PERHAPS IN SOME WAYS CONSCIOUSLY LIVING IN OUR SILOS.
BUT, IT REALLY REQUIRES SOME REAL HARD LIVING IN OUR SILOS.
BUT, IT REALLY REQUIRES SOME REAL HARD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT RACE IN THIS REALLY REQUIRES SOME REAL HARD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT RACE IN THIS COUNTRY.
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT RACE IN THIS COUNTRY.
>> AND SOME OF THOSE HAVE TO COUNTRY.
>> AND SOME OF THOSE HAVE TO START WITH RELATIONSHIPS, LIKE >> AND SOME OF THOSE HAVE TO START WITH RELATIONSHIPS, LIKE YOU SAID.
START WITH RELATIONSHIPS, LIKE YOU SAID.
I DID HEAR A LOT THIS WEEK, YOU SAID.
I DID HEAR A LOT THIS WEEK, PEOPLE SAYING THAT THERE AREN'T I DID HEAR A LOT THIS WEEK, PEOPLE SAYING THAT THERE AREN'T ENOUGH RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN PEOPLE SAYING THAT THERE AREN'T ENOUGH RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN COMMUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE ENOUGH RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN COMMUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE HONEST AND REALLY ADDRESS TOUGH, COMMUNITIES WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE HONEST AND REALLY ADDRESS TOUGH, TOUGH ISSUES AND NOT JUST SAY, HONEST AND REALLY ADDRESS TOUGH, TOUGH ISSUES AND NOT JUST SAY, OH WE'RE ALL WARM AND FUZZY, BUT TOUGH ISSUES AND NOT JUST SAY, OH WE'RE ALL WARM AND FUZZY, BUT THERE ARE SOME DEEPER THINGS OH WE'RE ALL WARM AND FUZZY, BUT THERE ARE SOME DEEPER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND THERE ARE SOME DEEPER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND YOU CAN'T START DOING THAT IF THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND YOU CAN'T START DOING THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE RELATIONSHIPS YOU CAN'T START DOING THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE RELATIONSHIPS SO I DID HEAR A LOT OF NEW CALLS YOU DON'T HAVE THE RELATIONSHIPS SO I DID HEAR A LOT OF NEW CALLS FOR THAT, AS WELL.
SO I DID HEAR A LOT OF NEW CALLS FOR THAT, AS WELL.
>> ROMAL, YOUR LAST THOUGHT.
FOR THAT, AS WELL.
>> ROMAL, YOUR LAST THOUGHT.
ARE YOU HOPEFUL GOING FORWARD?
>> ROMAL, YOUR LAST THOUGHT.
ARE YOU HOPEFUL GOING FORWARD?
>> I AM HOPEFUL.
ARE YOU HOPEFUL GOING FORWARD?
>> I AM HOPEFUL.
I THINK THE GOSPEL CALLS US TO >> I AM HOPEFUL.
I THINK THE GOSPEL CALLS US TO BE HOPEFUL AND IT CALLS US TO I THINK THE GOSPEL CALLS US TO BE HOPEFUL AND IT CALLS US TO LOOK AT SITUATIONS LIKE THIS AND BE HOPEFUL AND IT CALLS US TO LOOK AT SITUATIONS LIKE THIS AND ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHERE'S LOOK AT SITUATIONS LIKE THIS AND ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE OF GOD IN THESE ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE OF GOD IN THESE SITUATIONS.
THE EVIDENCE OF GOD IN THESE SITUATIONS.
AND THAT ANSWER IS IN HOW WE SITUATIONS.
AND THAT ANSWER IS IN HOW WE ENGAGE COMMUNITIES AND HOW WE AND THAT ANSWER IS IN HOW WE ENGAGE COMMUNITIES AND HOW WE MEET THE NEEDS OF HURTING PEOPLE ENGAGE COMMUNITIES AND HOW WE MEET THE NEEDS OF HURTING PEOPLE SO I'M ALWAYS HOPEFUL AS LONG AS MEET THE NEEDS OF HURTING PEOPLE SO I'M ALWAYS HOPEFUL AS LONG AS THAT WE KNOW CONGREGATIONS ARE SO I'M ALWAYS HOPEFUL AS LONG AS THAT WE KNOW CONGREGATIONS ARE OUT THERE SEEKING TO MEET THE THAT WE KNOW CONGREGATIONS ARE OUT THERE SEEKING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE.
OUT THERE SEEKING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, ROMAL TUNE NEEDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, ROMAL TUNE AND KIM.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, ROMAL TUNE AND KIM.
>> THANK YOU.
>>> IN OTHER NEWS, THERE WAS >>> IN OTHER NEWS, THERE WAS MORE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN IRAQ >>> IN OTHER NEWS, THERE WAS MORE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN IRAQ THIS WEEK, AS ATTACKS DURING THE MORE SECTARIAN VIOLENCE IN IRAQ THIS WEEK, AS ATTACKS DURING THE MUSLIM HOLY MONTH OF RAMADAN THIS WEEK, AS ATTACKS DURING THE MUSLIM HOLY MONTH OF RAMADAN CONTINUED.
MUSLIM HOLY MONTH OF RAMADAN CONTINUED.
BOMBINGS CARRIED OUT AGAINST CONTINUED.
BOMBINGS CARRIED OUT AGAINST BOTH SUNNIS AND SHIITES HAVE BOMBINGS CARRIED OUT AGAINST BOTH SUNNIS AND SHIITES HAVE KILLED NEARLY TWO HUNDRED PEOPLE BOTH SUNNIS AND SHIITES HAVE KILLED NEARLY TWO HUNDRED PEOPLE IN THE TWO WEEKS SINCE RAMADAN KILLED NEARLY TWO HUNDRED PEOPLE IN THE TWO WEEKS SINCE RAMADAN BEGAN.
IN THE TWO WEEKS SINCE RAMADAN BEGAN.
IRAQ WAS ALREADY EXPERIENCING A BEGAN.
IRAQ WAS ALREADY EXPERIENCING A WAVE OF VIOLENCE THAT PUT IRAQ WAS ALREADY EXPERIENCING A WAVE OF VIOLENCE THAT PUT 2013 ON TRACK TO BE THE WAVE OF VIOLENCE THAT PUT 2013 ON TRACK TO BE THE COUNTRY'S DEADLIEST YEAR IN THE 2013 ON TRACK TO BE THE COUNTRY'S DEADLIEST YEAR IN THE PAST FIVE.
COUNTRY'S DEADLIEST YEAR IN THE PAST FIVE.
>>> A BRITISH TV CHANNEL HAS PAST FIVE.
>>> A BRITISH TV CHANNEL HAS STIRRED UP CONTROVERSY BY >>> A BRITISH TV CHANNEL HAS STIRRED UP CONTROVERSY BY BROADCASTING THE MUSLIM CALL TO STIRRED UP CONTROVERSY BY BROADCASTING THE MUSLIM CALL TO PRAYER EACH MORNING DURING BROADCASTING THE MUSLIM CALL TO PRAYER EACH MORNING DURING RAMADAN.
PRAYER EACH MORNING DURING RAMADAN.
SOME CRITICS SAID THE MOVE BY RAMADAN.
SOME CRITICS SAID THE MOVE BY CHANNEL 4 COULD INFLAME SOME CRITICS SAID THE MOVE BY CHANNEL 4 COULD INFLAME TENSIONS, COMING LESS THAN TWO CHANNEL 4 COULD INFLAME TENSIONS, COMING LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AFTER THE MURDER OF A TENSIONS, COMING LESS THAN TWO MONTHS AFTER THE MURDER OF A BRITISH SOLDIER IN LONDON.
MONTHS AFTER THE MURDER OF A BRITISH SOLDIER IN LONDON.
TWO MUSLIM CONVERTS, WHO ARE BRITISH SOLDIER IN LONDON.
TWO MUSLIM CONVERTS, WHO ARE BRITISH CITIZENS, HAVE BEEN TWO MUSLIM CONVERTS, WHO ARE BRITISH CITIZENS, HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH THAT CRIME.
BRITISH CITIZENS, HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH THAT CRIME.
IT WAS HARDLY THE FIRST CASE OF CHARGED WITH THAT CRIME.
IT WAS HARDLY THE FIRST CASE OF RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE IN ENGLAND, IT WAS HARDLY THE FIRST CASE OF RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE IN ENGLAND, WHEREAS DAVID TERESHCHUK RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE IN ENGLAND, WHEREAS DAVID TERESHCHUK REPORTS, A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM WHEREAS DAVID TERESHCHUK REPORTS, A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM DESIGNED TO PREVENT EXTREMISM REPORTS, A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM DESIGNED TO PREVENT EXTREMISM HAS HAD MIXED RESULTS.
DESIGNED TO PREVENT EXTREMISM HAS HAD MIXED RESULTS.
>> THE BOMBING OF THE BOSTON HAS HAD MIXED RESULTS.
>> THE BOMBING OF THE BOSTON MARATHON CAME AS A HORRIFYING >> THE BOMBING OF THE BOSTON MARATHON CAME AS A HORRIFYING SHOCK TO MANY AMERICANS.
MARATHON CAME AS A HORRIFYING SHOCK TO MANY AMERICANS.
TO SOME OVERSEAS OBSERVERS, SHOCK TO MANY AMERICANS.
TO SOME OVERSEAS OBSERVERS, THOUGH, IT CAME AS NO GREAT TO SOME OVERSEAS OBSERVERS, THOUGH, IT CAME AS NO GREAT SURPRISE.
THOUGH, IT CAME AS NO GREAT SURPRISE.
>> I THINK THE UNITED STATES HAS SURPRISE.
>> I THINK THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN BEHIND US IN THIS RESPECT.
>> I THINK THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN BEHIND US IN THIS RESPECT.
THE UNITED STATES HAS ALWAYS BEEN BEHIND US IN THIS RESPECT.
THE UNITED STATES HAS ALWAYS REGARDED CERTAINLY JIHADIST THE UNITED STATES HAS ALWAYS REGARDED CERTAINLY JIHADIST TERRORISM AS SOMETHING THAT REGARDED CERTAINLY JIHADIST TERRORISM AS SOMETHING THAT COMES AT IT FROM THE OUTSIDE, TERRORISM AS SOMETHING THAT COMES AT IT FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT IT DOESN'T.
COMES AT IT FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT IT DOESN'T.
YOU'VE GOT TO SWALLOW A BIT OF BUT IT DOESN'T.
YOU'VE GOT TO SWALLOW A BIT OF PRIDE AND SAY, YES, WE HAVE A YOU'VE GOT TO SWALLOW A BIT OF PRIDE AND SAY, YES, WE HAVE A HOMEGROWN PROBLEM.
PRIDE AND SAY, YES, WE HAVE A HOMEGROWN PROBLEM.
>> GREAT BRITAIN'S GOVERNMENTS HOMEGROWN PROBLEM.
>> GREAT BRITAIN'S GOVERNMENTS HAVE HAD LONG EXPERIENCE, OVER >> GREAT BRITAIN'S GOVERNMENTS HAVE HAD LONG EXPERIENCE, OVER DECADES, OF TERRORISM FROM HAVE HAD LONG EXPERIENCE, OVER DECADES, OF TERRORISM FROM WITHIN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, SOME DECADES, OF TERRORISM FROM WITHIN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, SOME OF IT WITH A RELIGIOUS WITHIN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, SOME OF IT WITH A RELIGIOUS DIMENSION.
OF IT WITH A RELIGIOUS DIMENSION.
THE NORTHERN ENGLISH CITY OF DIMENSION.
THE NORTHERN ENGLISH CITY OF MANCHESTER IN 1996, SURVEILLANCE THE NORTHERN ENGLISH CITY OF MANCHESTER IN 1996, SURVEILLANCE VIDEO CAPTURES A TRUCK-BOMB MANCHESTER IN 1996, SURVEILLANCE VIDEO CAPTURES A TRUCK-BOMB PLANTED BY THE IRISH REPUBLICAN VIDEO CAPTURES A TRUCK-BOMB PLANTED BY THE IRISH REPUBLICAN ARMY, PREDOMINANTLY ROMAN PLANTED BY THE IRISH REPUBLICAN ARMY, PREDOMINANTLY ROMAN CATHOLICS FIGHTING AGAINST ARMY, PREDOMINANTLY ROMAN CATHOLICS FIGHTING AGAINST BRITISH AUTHORITIES, AND AGAINST CATHOLICS FIGHTING AGAINST BRITISH AUTHORITIES, AND AGAINST BRITAIN'S LOYALIST, MAINLY BRITISH AUTHORITIES, AND AGAINST BRITAIN'S LOYALIST, MAINLY PROTESTANT SUPPORTERS, WHO THEN BRITAIN'S LOYALIST, MAINLY PROTESTANT SUPPORTERS, WHO THEN CONTROLLED NORTHERN IRELAND.
PROTESTANT SUPPORTERS, WHO THEN CONTROLLED NORTHERN IRELAND.
PEACE AGREEMENTS EVENTUALLY CONTROLLED NORTHERN IRELAND.
PEACE AGREEMENTS EVENTUALLY ENDED THE I.R.A.
'S BLOODY PEACE AGREEMENTS EVENTUALLY ENDED THE I.R.A.
'S BLOODY ASSAULTS.
ENDED THE I.R.A.
'S BLOODY ASSAULTS.
BUT ON A SINGLE DAY IN 2005, ASSAULTS.
BUT ON A SINGLE DAY IN 2005, JULY 7th, LONDON'S BUT ON A SINGLE DAY IN 2005, JULY 7th, LONDON'S TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM WAS JULY 7th, LONDON'S TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM WAS TARGETED IN A NEW SPATE OF TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM WAS TARGETED IN A NEW SPATE OF TERROR ATTACKS, MOUNTED THIS TARGETED IN A NEW SPATE OF TERROR ATTACKS, MOUNTED THIS TIME BY A TEAM OF SUICIDE TERROR ATTACKS, MOUNTED THIS TIME BY A TEAM OF SUICIDE BOMBERS.
TIME BY A TEAM OF SUICIDE BOMBERS.
ONE OF THEM CHOSE AN EVERYDAY BOMBERS.
ONE OF THEM CHOSE AN EVERYDAY EMBLEM OF LONDON, A ONE OF THEM CHOSE AN EVERYDAY EMBLEM OF LONDON, A DOUBLE-DECKER BUS, A NUMBER 30.
EMBLEM OF LONDON, A DOUBLE-DECKER BUS, A NUMBER 30.
THE EXPLOSION RIPPED OFF THE DOUBLE-DECKER BUS, A NUMBER 30.
THE EXPLOSION RIPPED OFF THE ROOF AND BLEW APART PASSENGERS THE EXPLOSION RIPPED OFF THE ROOF AND BLEW APART PASSENGERS TOWARD THE BACK OF THE BUS.
ROOF AND BLEW APART PASSENGERS TOWARD THE BACK OF THE BUS.
700 PEOPLE WERE INJURED THAT TOWARD THE BACK OF THE BUS.
700 PEOPLE WERE INJURED THAT DAY.
700 PEOPLE WERE INJURED THAT DAY.
THESE 52 PILLARS REPRESENT THE DAY.
THESE 52 PILLARS REPRESENT THE 52 PEOPLE KILLED.
THESE 52 PILLARS REPRESENT THE 52 PEOPLE KILLED.
IT WAS ALL THE WORK OF FOUR 52 PEOPLE KILLED.
IT WAS ALL THE WORK OF FOUR PEOPLE.
IT WAS ALL THE WORK OF FOUR PEOPLE.
FOUR YOUNG MEN, ALL MUSLIMS, ALL PEOPLE.
FOUR YOUNG MEN, ALL MUSLIMS, ALL BRITISH-BORN.
FOUR YOUNG MEN, ALL MUSLIMS, ALL BRITISH-BORN.
FOR VIOLENT JIHADISM TO EMERGE BRITISH-BORN.
FOR VIOLENT JIHADISM TO EMERGE FROM AMONG BRITAIN'S MUSLIMS WAS FOR VIOLENT JIHADISM TO EMERGE FROM AMONG BRITAIN'S MUSLIMS WAS NOT UNEXPECTED BY CLOSE FROM AMONG BRITAIN'S MUSLIMS WAS NOT UNEXPECTED BY CLOSE OBSERVERS OF THAT POPULATION.
NOT UNEXPECTED BY CLOSE OBSERVERS OF THAT POPULATION.
THE 3 MILLION-STRONG MUSLIM OBSERVERS OF THAT POPULATION.
THE 3 MILLION-STRONG MUSLIM COMMUNITY BEGAN IMMIGRATING IN THE 3 MILLION-STRONG MUSLIM COMMUNITY BEGAN IMMIGRATING IN SUBSTANTIAL NUMBERS DURING THE COMMUNITY BEGAN IMMIGRATING IN SUBSTANTIAL NUMBERS DURING THE 1960s ONWARD, MAINLY FROM SOUTH SUBSTANTIAL NUMBERS DURING THE 1960s ONWARD, MAINLY FROM SOUTH ASIA, BUT YOUNGER GENERATIONS 1960s ONWARD, MAINLY FROM SOUTH ASIA, BUT YOUNGER GENERATIONS HAVE BEEN BORN IN THE UK, AND ASIA, BUT YOUNGER GENERATIONS HAVE BEEN BORN IN THE UK, AND MANY HAVE BECOME DEEPLY HAVE BEEN BORN IN THE UK, AND MANY HAVE BECOME DEEPLY DISAFFECTED AMID THE COUNTRY'S MANY HAVE BECOME DEEPLY DISAFFECTED AMID THE COUNTRY'S ECONOMIC TROUBLES.
DISAFFECTED AMID THE COUNTRY'S ECONOMIC TROUBLES.
>> SO YOUTH UNEMPLOYMENT IS A ECONOMIC TROUBLES.
>> SO YOUTH UNEMPLOYMENT IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
>> SO YOUTH UNEMPLOYMENT IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
AT THE SAME TIME THERE'S SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
AT THE SAME TIME THERE'S SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME THERE'S SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF PEOPLE GOING INTO HIGHER EDUCATION AND SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF PEOPLE GOING INTO HIGHER EDUCATION AND INTO UNIVERSITY, SO WHAT YOU GOING INTO HIGHER EDUCATION AND INTO UNIVERSITY, SO WHAT YOU THEN HAVE ARE VERY HIGHLY INTO UNIVERSITY, SO WHAT YOU THEN HAVE ARE VERY HIGHLY SKILLED, HIGHLY TRAINED YOUNG THEN HAVE ARE VERY HIGHLY SKILLED, HIGHLY TRAINED YOUNG DIFFICULT TO SECURE EMPLOYMENT SKILLED, HIGHLY TRAINED YOUNG DIFFICULT TO SECURE EMPLOYMENT IN THE GRADUATE JOBS MARKET, DIFFICULT TO SECURE EMPLOYMENT IN THE GRADUATE JOBS MARKET, WHICH AGAIN CREATES HUGE DEGREE IN THE GRADUATE JOBS MARKET, WHICH AGAIN CREATES HUGE DEGREE OF FRUSTRATION.
WHICH AGAIN CREATES HUGE DEGREE OF FRUSTRATION.
>> MAINSTREAM MUSLIM LEADERS SAY OF FRUSTRATION.
>> MAINSTREAM MUSLIM LEADERS SAY THEY FEAR THE IMPACT OF VIOLENT >> MAINSTREAM MUSLIM LEADERS SAY THEY FEAR THE IMPACT OF VIOLENT EXTREMISTS UPON SUCH ALIENATED THEY FEAR THE IMPACT OF VIOLENT EXTREMISTS UPON SUCH ALIENATED YOUNG MUSLIMS.
EXTREMISTS UPON SUCH ALIENATED YOUNG MUSLIMS.
THE SPOKESMAN FOR ONE OF THE YOUNG MUSLIMS.
THE SPOKESMAN FOR ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S BIGGEST MOSQUES IS THE SPOKESMAN FOR ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S BIGGEST MOSQUES IS SALMAN FARSI.
COUNTRY'S BIGGEST MOSQUES IS SALMAN FARSI.
>> THERE ARE CERTAIN GROUPS THAT SALMAN FARSI.
>> THERE ARE CERTAIN GROUPS THAT ARE EXTREMELY DIVISIVE AND THEY >> THERE ARE CERTAIN GROUPS THAT ARE EXTREMELY DIVISIVE AND THEY CAN INFLUENCE YOUNG PEOPLE FROM ARE EXTREMELY DIVISIVE AND THEY CAN INFLUENCE YOUNG PEOPLE FROM OUR COMMUNITY AND EVENTUALLY, CAN INFLUENCE YOUNG PEOPLE FROM OUR COMMUNITY AND EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS CAN LEAD TO ALL OUR COMMUNITY AND EVENTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS CAN LEAD TO ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS CAN LEAD TO ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS AND, YOU KNOW, IT CAN LEAD TO TERRORISM.
KINDS OF PROBLEMS AND, YOU KNOW, IT CAN LEAD TO TERRORISM.
>> THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT HAS IT CAN LEAD TO TERRORISM.
>> THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT HAS DEVELOPED A STRATEGY THEY >> THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT HAS DEVELOPED A STRATEGY THEY CODE-NAMED PREVENT.
DEVELOPED A STRATEGY THEY CODE-NAMED PREVENT.
THE MISSION OF PREVENT IS, AND I CODE-NAMED PREVENT.
THE MISSION OF PREVENT IS, AND I QUOTE, "TO RESPOND TO THE THE MISSION OF PREVENT IS, AND I QUOTE, "TO RESPOND TO THE IDEOLOGICAL CHALLENGE OF QUOTE, "TO RESPOND TO THE IDEOLOGICAL CHALLENGE OF TERRORISM, TO PREVENT PEOPLE IDEOLOGICAL CHALLENGE OF TERRORISM, TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM BEING DRAWN INTO TERRORISM, TERRORISM, TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM BEING DRAWN INTO TERRORISM, AND TO WORK WITH SECTORS AND FROM BEING DRAWN INTO TERRORISM, AND TO WORK WITH SECTORS AND INSTITUTIONS WHERE THERE ARE AND TO WORK WITH SECTORS AND INSTITUTIONS WHERE THERE ARE RISKS OF RADICALIZATION."
INSTITUTIONS WHERE THERE ARE RISKS OF RADICALIZATION."
THE LEADERS OF MOSQUES AND RISKS OF RADICALIZATION."
THE LEADERS OF MOSQUES AND COMMUNITY GROUPS NATURALLY THE LEADERS OF MOSQUES AND COMMUNITY GROUPS NATURALLY EMPHASIZE THAT THE PROPHET COMMUNITY GROUPS NATURALLY EMPHASIZE THAT THE PROPHET MOHAMMED'S CONCEPT OF JIHAD DOES EMPHASIZE THAT THE PROPHET MOHAMMED'S CONCEPT OF JIHAD DOES NOT MEAN TERRORISM.
MOHAMMED'S CONCEPT OF JIHAD DOES NOT MEAN TERRORISM.
INDEED JIHAD CAN REFER TO AN NOT MEAN TERRORISM.
INDEED JIHAD CAN REFER TO AN INTERNAL SPIRITUAL STRUGGLE, AND INDEED JIHAD CAN REFER TO AN INTERNAL SPIRITUAL STRUGGLE, AND SO EVEN YOUNG MUSLIMS WHO ARE INTERNAL SPIRITUAL STRUGGLE, AND SO EVEN YOUNG MUSLIMS WHO ARE SERIOUSLY OPPOSED TO NATIONAL SO EVEN YOUNG MUSLIMS WHO ARE SERIOUSLY OPPOSED TO NATIONAL AUTHORITIES AND NON-MUSLIM SERIOUSLY OPPOSED TO NATIONAL AUTHORITIES AND NON-MUSLIM INSTITUTIONS CAN BE HELPED TO AUTHORITIES AND NON-MUSLIM INSTITUTIONS CAN BE HELPED TO TAKE THE PATH OF PEACEFUL INSTITUTIONS CAN BE HELPED TO TAKE THE PATH OF PEACEFUL EXPRESSION OF THEIR VIEWS.
TAKE THE PATH OF PEACEFUL EXPRESSION OF THEIR VIEWS.
THIS IS WHAT THE BRITISH EXPRESSION OF THEIR VIEWS.
THIS IS WHAT THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT IS BANKING ON.
THIS IS WHAT THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT IS BANKING ON.
AND IT CLAIMS SOME SUCCESS IN GOVERNMENT IS BANKING ON.
AND IT CLAIMS SOME SUCCESS IN DIVERTING ANGRY YOUNG MUSLIMS AND IT CLAIMS SOME SUCCESS IN DIVERTING ANGRY YOUNG MUSLIMS AWAY FROM VIOLENCE.
DIVERTING ANGRY YOUNG MUSLIMS AWAY FROM VIOLENCE.
BRITAIN'S OLDEST MILITARY AND AWAY FROM VIOLENCE.
BRITAIN'S OLDEST MILITARY AND SECURITY THINK-TANK IS RUN BY BRITAIN'S OLDEST MILITARY AND SECURITY THINK-TANK IS RUN BY MICHAEL CLARKE, WHO FREQUENTLY SECURITY THINK-TANK IS RUN BY MICHAEL CLARKE, WHO FREQUENTLY CONSULTS WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
MICHAEL CLARKE, WHO FREQUENTLY CONSULTS WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL CONSULTS WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL HUNDRED SUCCESSFUL EXAMPLES OF, >> THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL HUNDRED SUCCESSFUL EXAMPLES OF, THEY CALL IT "INTERVENTION," HUNDRED SUCCESSFUL EXAMPLES OF, THEY CALL IT "INTERVENTION," WHERE THEY SAY THAT SOMEWHERE THEY CALL IT "INTERVENTION," WHERE THEY SAY THAT SOMEWHERE LIKE 500 OR 600 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WHERE THEY SAY THAT SOMEWHERE LIKE 500 OR 600 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, HAVE BEEN ENCOURAGED LIKE 500 OR 600 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED, HAVE BEEN ENCOURAGED TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
IDENTIFIED, HAVE BEEN ENCOURAGED TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
>> MOSQUE LEADERS, HOWEVER, ARE TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
>> MOSQUE LEADERS, HOWEVER, ARE LESS ENTHUSIASTIC SINCE THEIR >> MOSQUE LEADERS, HOWEVER, ARE LESS ENTHUSIASTIC SINCE THEIR CONGREGATIONS COMPLAIN THAT THE LESS ENTHUSIASTIC SINCE THEIR CONGREGATIONS COMPLAIN THAT THE PREVENT STRATEGY SIMPLY CONGREGATIONS COMPLAIN THAT THE PREVENT STRATEGY SIMPLY STIGMATIZES THEIR FAITH AND OF PREVENT STRATEGY SIMPLY STIGMATIZES THEIR FAITH AND OF COURSE ONLY THEIRS.
STIGMATIZES THEIR FAITH AND OF COURSE ONLY THEIRS.
>> IT SEEMS AS IF THAT POLICY COURSE ONLY THEIRS.
>> IT SEEMS AS IF THAT POLICY WAS JUST MADE TO TARGET THE >> IT SEEMS AS IF THAT POLICY WAS JUST MADE TO TARGET THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY AND NOW THAT'S WAS JUST MADE TO TARGET THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY AND NOW THAT'S NOT VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY AND NOW THAT'S NOT VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY WILL FEEL NOT VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY WILL FEEL SINGLED OUT FOR THINGS THAT ARE MUSLIM COMMUNITY WILL FEEL SINGLED OUT FOR THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND THEIR CONTROL.
SINGLED OUT FOR THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND THEIR CONTROL.
>> THAT SENSE OF BEING PROFILED BEYOND THEIR CONTROL.
>> THAT SENSE OF BEING PROFILED AS POTENTIAL TERRORISTS HAS, FOR >> THAT SENSE OF BEING PROFILED AS POTENTIAL TERRORISTS HAS, FOR MANY IN THE COMMUNITY, BEEN AS POTENTIAL TERRORISTS HAS, FOR MANY IN THE COMMUNITY, BEEN MINGLED WITH SUSPICION THAT MANY IN THE COMMUNITY, BEEN MINGLED WITH SUSPICION THAT MUSLIMS ARE EXPECTED TO ACT AS MINGLED WITH SUSPICION THAT MUSLIMS ARE EXPECTED TO ACT AS SPIES, A DRAWBACK TO THE POLICY MUSLIMS ARE EXPECTED TO ACT AS SPIES, A DRAWBACK TO THE POLICY THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEGUN TO SPIES, A DRAWBACK TO THE POLICY THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEGUN TO ACKNOWLEDGE.
THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEGUN TO ACKNOWLEDGE.
>> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT ACKNOWLEDGE.
>> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT PREVENT ALWAYS HAS IS THAT IT >> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT PREVENT ALWAYS HAS IS THAT IT CAN BE PRESENTED AS GIVING PREVENT ALWAYS HAS IS THAT IT CAN BE PRESENTED AS GIVING INFORMATION TO THE GOVERNMENT CAN BE PRESENTED AS GIVING INFORMATION TO THE GOVERNMENT AND THE AUTHORITIES, AND SO INFORMATION TO THE GOVERNMENT AND THE AUTHORITIES, AND SO PREVENT HAS GOT TO BE OFFERED IN AND THE AUTHORITIES, AND SO PREVENT HAS GOT TO BE OFFERED IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT MAKE PREVENT HAS GOT TO BE OFFERED IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT MAKE VULNERABLE THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE A WAY THAT DOES NOT MAKE VULNERABLE THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO HELP, MAKE THEM LOOK VULNERABLE THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO HELP, MAKE THEM LOOK AS IF THEY'RE JUST GIVING TRYING TO HELP, MAKE THEM LOOK AS IF THEY'RE JUST GIVING INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION TO THE AS IF THEY'RE JUST GIVING INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION TO THE POLICE.
INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION TO THE POLICE.
>> IT'S FEARED NOW THAT VIOLENT POLICE.
>> IT'S FEARED NOW THAT VIOLENT EXTREMISTS HAVE TURNED AWAY FROM >> IT'S FEARED NOW THAT VIOLENT EXTREMISTS HAVE TURNED AWAY FROM THE MAINSTREAM MOSQUE EXTREMISTS HAVE TURNED AWAY FROM THE MAINSTREAM MOSQUE ENVIRONMENT.
THE MAINSTREAM MOSQUE ENVIRONMENT.
>> THE LOCUS OF ORGANIZATION ENVIRONMENT.
>> THE LOCUS OF ORGANIZATION CHANGED.
>> THE LOCUS OF ORGANIZATION CHANGED.
INSTEAD OF RADICALIZING IN THE CHANGED.
INSTEAD OF RADICALIZING IN THE MOSQUES, AND IN SOMETIMES IN THE INSTEAD OF RADICALIZING IN THE MOSQUES, AND IN SOMETIMES IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY GROUPS, THEY MOSQUES, AND IN SOMETIMES IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY GROUPS, THEY STARTED TO RADICALIZE IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY GROUPS, THEY STARTED TO RADICALIZE IN THE BOOKSHOPS AND THE SPORTS CLUBS, STARTED TO RADICALIZE IN THE BOOKSHOPS AND THE SPORTS CLUBS, AND THAT'S WHERE IT NOW IS.
BOOKSHOPS AND THE SPORTS CLUBS, AND THAT'S WHERE IT NOW IS.
>> FOR BRITISH MUSLIMS WHO ARE AND THAT'S WHERE IT NOW IS.
>> FOR BRITISH MUSLIMS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR RIGHTS >> FOR BRITISH MUSLIMS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR RIGHTS BEING INFRINGED, AND WHO VALUE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR RIGHTS BEING INFRINGED, AND WHO VALUE THEIR ACTIVIST BOOKSTORES AND BEING INFRINGED, AND WHO VALUE THEIR ACTIVIST BOOKSTORES AND OTHER FORMS OF FREE EXPRESSION, THEIR ACTIVIST BOOKSTORES AND OTHER FORMS OF FREE EXPRESSION, THE PREVENT POLICY IS A FURTHER OTHER FORMS OF FREE EXPRESSION, THE PREVENT POLICY IS A FURTHER SIGN THAT MUSLIMS ARE BEING THE PREVENT POLICY IS A FURTHER SIGN THAT MUSLIMS ARE BEING TREATED AS SECOND-CLASS SIGN THAT MUSLIMS ARE BEING TREATED AS SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS.
TREATED AS SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS.
>> THEY ARE PROMOTING PEOPLE TO CITIZENS.
>> THEY ARE PROMOTING PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED IN, YOUNG >> THEY ARE PROMOTING PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED IN, YOUNG YOUNGSTERS TO GO OUT AND GET GET INVOLVED IN, YOUNG YOUNGSTERS TO GO OUT AND GET INVOLVED IN POLITICS AND VOTE YOUNGSTERS TO GO OUT AND GET INVOLVED IN POLITICS AND VOTE AND SO FORTH.
INVOLVED IN POLITICS AND VOTE AND SO FORTH.
BUT IN THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY AND SO FORTH.
BUT IN THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY YOUTH, WE ARE SAYING, LOOK, BUT IN THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY YOUTH, WE ARE SAYING, LOOK, DON'T HAVE GRIEVANCES, DON'T YOUTH, WE ARE SAYING, LOOK, DON'T HAVE GRIEVANCES, DON'T RAISE ISSUES REGARDING IRAQ AND DON'T HAVE GRIEVANCES, DON'T RAISE ISSUES REGARDING IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN AND SO FORTH.
RAISE ISSUES REGARDING IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN AND SO FORTH.
IF YOU DO, YOU'RE GOING TOWARDS AFGHANISTAN AND SO FORTH.
IF YOU DO, YOU'RE GOING TOWARDS BECOMING EXTREMISTS.
IF YOU DO, YOU'RE GOING TOWARDS BECOMING EXTREMISTS.
IN A MODERN DEMOCRACY, IT REALLY BECOMING EXTREMISTS.
IN A MODERN DEMOCRACY, IT REALLY IS OUTRAGE.
IN A MODERN DEMOCRACY, IT REALLY IS OUTRAGE.
>> WHAT IS AGREED AMONG THE MORE IS OUTRAGE.
>> WHAT IS AGREED AMONG THE MORE RADICAL CRITICS, MANY MOSQUE >> WHAT IS AGREED AMONG THE MORE RADICAL CRITICS, MANY MOSQUE REPRESENTATIVES, AND INDEPENDENT RADICAL CRITICS, MANY MOSQUE REPRESENTATIVES, AND INDEPENDENT ANALYSTS IS THAT THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVES, AND INDEPENDENT ANALYSTS IS THAT THERE'S A CENTRAL FLAW TO PREVENT.
ANALYSTS IS THAT THERE'S A CENTRAL FLAW TO PREVENT.
THOUGH INTENDED AS AN ATTEMPT AT CENTRAL FLAW TO PREVENT.
THOUGH INTENDED AS AN ATTEMPT AT DIALOGUE, IT'S SEEN AS THOUGH INTENDED AS AN ATTEMPT AT DIALOGUE, IT'S SEEN AS OVERWHELMINGLY A MATTER OF STATE DIALOGUE, IT'S SEEN AS OVERWHELMINGLY A MATTER OF STATE SECURITY, AND IT OVERLOOKS WHAT OVERWHELMINGLY A MATTER OF STATE SECURITY, AND IT OVERLOOKS WHAT MUSLIMS THEMSELVES ARE OFTEN SECURITY, AND IT OVERLOOKS WHAT MUSLIMS THEMSELVES ARE OFTEN MOST CONCERNED WITH.
MUSLIMS THEMSELVES ARE OFTEN MOST CONCERNED WITH.
>> YOU CAN'T COME ALONG TO A MOST CONCERNED WITH.
>> YOU CAN'T COME ALONG TO A LOCAL COMMUNITY THAT YOU HAVEN'T >> YOU CAN'T COME ALONG TO A LOCAL COMMUNITY THAT YOU HAVEN'T ENGAGED WITH FOR 15, 20, LOCAL COMMUNITY THAT YOU HAVEN'T ENGAGED WITH FOR 15, 20, 30 YEARS AND SUDDENLY SAY TO ENGAGED WITH FOR 15, 20, 30 YEARS AND SUDDENLY SAY TO THEM, WELL YOU KNOW THERE'S THIS 30 YEARS AND SUDDENLY SAY TO THEM, WELL YOU KNOW THERE'S THIS BIG ISSUE THAT WE WANT YOU TO THEM, WELL YOU KNOW THERE'S THIS BIG ISSUE THAT WE WANT YOU TO ADDRESS AND PLEASE COME AND HELP BIG ISSUE THAT WE WANT YOU TO ADDRESS AND PLEASE COME AND HELP US, WITHOUT THEN ADDRESSING SOME ADDRESS AND PLEASE COME AND HELP US, WITHOUT THEN ADDRESSING SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY HAD.
US, WITHOUT THEN ADDRESSING SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY HAD.
THEIR GREATEST CONCERNS MAY BE OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY HAD.
THEIR GREATEST CONCERNS MAY BE AROUND YOUTH UNEMPLOYMENT, THEIR GREATEST CONCERNS MAY BE AROUND YOUTH UNEMPLOYMENT, EDUCATION UNDERACHIEVEMENT, OR AROUND YOUTH UNEMPLOYMENT, EDUCATION UNDERACHIEVEMENT, OR POOR HOUSING.
EDUCATION UNDERACHIEVEMENT, OR POOR HOUSING.
>> BRITAIN'S CONSERVATIVE-LED POOR HOUSING.
>> BRITAIN'S CONSERVATIVE-LED COALITION GOVERNMENT IS ALSO >> BRITAIN'S CONSERVATIVE-LED COALITION GOVERNMENT IS ALSO CRITICIZED BY ITS OWN SUPPORTERS COALITION GOVERNMENT IS ALSO CRITICIZED BY ITS OWN SUPPORTERS OVER PREVENT.
CRITICIZED BY ITS OWN SUPPORTERS OVER PREVENT.
ENGAGEMENT AND DISCUSSION WITH OVER PREVENT.
ENGAGEMENT AND DISCUSSION WITH POTENTIALLY VIOLENT OPPONENTS IS ENGAGEMENT AND DISCUSSION WITH POTENTIALLY VIOLENT OPPONENTS IS ESSENTIALLY WRONG-HEADED, THESE POTENTIALLY VIOLENT OPPONENTS IS ESSENTIALLY WRONG-HEADED, THESE CRITICS SAY.
AND WHATEVER ESSENTIALLY WRONG-HEADED, THESE CRITICS SAY.
AND WHATEVER SUCCESS THERE'S BEEN IN AVOIDING CRITICS SAY.
AND WHATEVER SUCCESS THERE'S BEEN IN AVOIDING MORE JULY 7th-TYPE ATTACKS HAS SUCCESS THERE'S BEEN IN AVOIDING MORE JULY 7th-TYPE ATTACKS HAS RESULTED FROM OLD-FASHIONED MORE JULY 7th-TYPE ATTACKS HAS RESULTED FROM OLD-FASHIONED POLICE WORK.
RESULTED FROM OLD-FASHIONED POLICE WORK.
>> THE WAY TO TRY TO SOLVE THIS POLICE WORK.
>> THE WAY TO TRY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM IS NOT TO GET INVOLVED >> THE WAY TO TRY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM IS NOT TO GET INVOLVED IN THE THEOLOGICAL DEBATE, NOT PROBLEM IS NOT TO GET INVOLVED IN THE THEOLOGICAL DEBATE, NOT TO GET INVOLVED IN DOMESTIC OR IN THE THEOLOGICAL DEBATE, NOT TO GET INVOLVED IN DOMESTIC OR FOREIGN POLICY DEBATES AT TO GET INVOLVED IN DOMESTIC OR FOREIGN POLICY DEBATES AT ENDLESS AMOUNTS OF MOSQUES OR FOREIGN POLICY DEBATES AT ENDLESS AMOUNTS OF MOSQUES OR ISLAMIC SOCIETIES AND SO ON, BUT ENDLESS AMOUNTS OF MOSQUES OR ISLAMIC SOCIETIES AND SO ON, BUT SIMPLY MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WHERE ISLAMIC SOCIETIES AND SO ON, BUT SIMPLY MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WHERE YOUR OWN SOCIETAL VALUES ARE, SIMPLY MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WHERE YOUR OWN SOCIETAL VALUES ARE, AND WHERE YOU DRAW THOSE LINES.
YOUR OWN SOCIETAL VALUES ARE, AND WHERE YOU DRAW THOSE LINES.
>> A LINE WAS DRAMATICALLY AND WHERE YOU DRAW THOSE LINES.
>> A LINE WAS DRAMATICALLY CROSSED THIS YEAR WHEN TWO >> A LINE WAS DRAMATICALLY CROSSED THIS YEAR WHEN TWO BRITISH-BORN MUSLIMS AND CROSSED THIS YEAR WHEN TWO BRITISH-BORN MUSLIMS AND SELF-PROCLAIMED JIHADISTS, IN BRITISH-BORN MUSLIMS AND SELF-PROCLAIMED JIHADISTS, IN THIS CASE FROM NIGERIAN SELF-PROCLAIMED JIHADISTS, IN THIS CASE FROM NIGERIAN BACKGROUNDS, BUTCHERED A SOLDIER THIS CASE FROM NIGERIAN BACKGROUNDS, BUTCHERED A SOLDIER TO DEATH IN A LONDON BACKGROUNDS, BUTCHERED A SOLDIER TO DEATH IN A LONDON NEIGHBORHOOD.
TO DEATH IN A LONDON NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVIDENTLY, NEITHER OLD-FASHIONED NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVIDENTLY, NEITHER OLD-FASHIONED POLICE WORK NOR THE PREVENT EVIDENTLY, NEITHER OLD-FASHIONED POLICE WORK NOR THE PREVENT STRATEGY WAS ABLE TO STOP THIS POLICE WORK NOR THE PREVENT STRATEGY WAS ABLE TO STOP THIS HORROR FROM HAPPENING.
STRATEGY WAS ABLE TO STOP THIS HORROR FROM HAPPENING.
COUNTERTERRORISM EXPERTS, HORROR FROM HAPPENING.
COUNTERTERRORISM EXPERTS, INCLUDING THOSE BROADLY IN COUNTERTERRORISM EXPERTS, INCLUDING THOSE BROADLY IN SUPPORT OF PREVENT, KNOW THERE INCLUDING THOSE BROADLY IN SUPPORT OF PREVENT, KNOW THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOME ATTACKS THAT SUPPORT OF PREVENT, KNOW THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOME ATTACKS THAT CANNOT BE FORESTALLED, INCLUDING WILL ALWAYS BE SOME ATTACKS THAT CANNOT BE FORESTALLED, INCLUDING BOTH BRITAIN'S LATEST ATROCITY CANNOT BE FORESTALLED, INCLUDING BOTH BRITAIN'S LATEST ATROCITY IN MAY, AND AMERICA'S IN APRIL.
BOTH BRITAIN'S LATEST ATROCITY IN MAY, AND AMERICA'S IN APRIL.
AND THAT SOBERING ASSESSMENT IN MAY, AND AMERICA'S IN APRIL.
AND THAT SOBERING ASSESSMENT APPEARS TO BE SHARED BY AND THAT SOBERING ASSESSMENT APPEARS TO BE SHARED BY PRESIDENT OBAMA AS WELL.
APPEARS TO BE SHARED BY PRESIDENT OBAMA AS WELL.
>> ONE OF THE DANGERS THAT WE PRESIDENT OBAMA AS WELL.
>> ONE OF THE DANGERS THAT WE NOW FACE ARE SELF-RADICALIZED >> ONE OF THE DANGERS THAT WE NOW FACE ARE SELF-RADICALIZED INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ALREADY HERE NOW FACE ARE SELF-RADICALIZED INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ALREADY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ALREADY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.
THOSE ARE IN SOME WAYS MORE IN THE UNITED STATES.
THOSE ARE IN SOME WAYS MORE DIFFICULT TO PREVENT.
THOSE ARE IN SOME WAYS MORE DIFFICULT TO PREVENT.
>> IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE CASE DIFFICULT TO PREVENT.
>> IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE CASE THAT THE BOSTON BOMBERS WERE SO >> IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE CASE THAT THE BOSTON BOMBERS WERE SO LOW DOWN THE THREAT SPECTRUM THAT THE BOSTON BOMBERS WERE SO LOW DOWN THE THREAT SPECTRUM THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE LOW DOWN THE THREAT SPECTRUM THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TRIGGERED A PREVENT INTERVENTION THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TRIGGERED A PREVENT INTERVENTION IN THE UNITED KINGDOM.
TRIGGERED A PREVENT INTERVENTION IN THE UNITED KINGDOM.
SO OUR PREVENT STRATEGY WOULD IN THE UNITED KINGDOM.
SO OUR PREVENT STRATEGY WOULD ALMOST CERTAINLY, WOULDN'T HAVE SO OUR PREVENT STRATEGY WOULD ALMOST CERTAINLY, WOULDN'T HAVE PICKED THEM UP.
ALMOST CERTAINLY, WOULDN'T HAVE PICKED THEM UP.
PREVENT STRATEGIES CANNOT PICKED THEM UP.
PREVENT STRATEGIES CANNOT PREVENT EVERYTHING.
PREVENT STRATEGIES CANNOT PREVENT EVERYTHING.
>> ANY COUNTRY FEARING ATTACK PREVENT EVERYTHING.
>> ANY COUNTRY FEARING ATTACK MAY NOW HAVE TO START TO LOOKING >> ANY COUNTRY FEARING ATTACK MAY NOW HAVE TO START TO LOOKING EVEN MORE CAREFULLY, AS BRITAIN MAY NOW HAVE TO START TO LOOKING EVEN MORE CAREFULLY, AS BRITAIN HAS, WITHIN ITS OWN POPULATION EVEN MORE CAREFULLY, AS BRITAIN HAS, WITHIN ITS OWN POPULATION TO IDENTIFY AND PREVENT HAS, WITHIN ITS OWN POPULATION TO IDENTIFY AND PREVENT EXTREMIST THREATS.
TO IDENTIFY AND PREVENT EXTREMIST THREATS.
BUT THOSE THREATS WILL EXTREMIST THREATS.
BUT THOSE THREATS WILL INCREASINGLY COME FROM BUT THOSE THREATS WILL INCREASINGLY COME FROM INDIVIDUALS WITH LITTLE GROUP INCREASINGLY COME FROM INDIVIDUALS WITH LITTLE GROUP ALLEGIANCE, AND SO IT WILL INDIVIDUALS WITH LITTLE GROUP ALLEGIANCE, AND SO IT WILL LIKELY GET HARDER AND HARDER TO ALLEGIANCE, AND SO IT WILL LIKELY GET HARDER AND HARDER TO COUNTER THEM EFFECTIVELY.
LIKELY GET HARDER AND HARDER TO COUNTER THEM EFFECTIVELY.
FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS COUNTER THEM EFFECTIVELY.
FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS DAVID FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS DAVID TERESHCHUK IN LONDON.
NEWSWEEKLY," THIS IS DAVID TERESHCHUK IN LONDON.
>>> CATHOLIC BISHOPS IN BRITAIN TERESHCHUK IN LONDON.
>>> CATHOLIC BISHOPS IN BRITAIN DENOUNCED THAT COUNTRY'S >>> CATHOLIC BISHOPS IN BRITAIN DENOUNCED THAT COUNTRY'S DECISION THIS WEEK TO LEGALIZE DENOUNCED THAT COUNTRY'S DECISION THIS WEEK TO LEGALIZE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
DECISION THIS WEEK TO LEGALIZE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
THE ANGLICAN ARCHBISHOP OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
THE ANGLICAN ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY ALSO HAD OPPOSED THE THE ANGLICAN ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY ALSO HAD OPPOSED THE LAW, WARNING THAT A REDEFINITION CANTERBURY ALSO HAD OPPOSED THE LAW, WARNING THAT A REDEFINITION OF MARRIAGE WOULD UNDERMINE THE LAW, WARNING THAT A REDEFINITION OF MARRIAGE WOULD UNDERMINE THE "CORNERSTONE" OF SOCIETY.
OF MARRIAGE WOULD UNDERMINE THE "CORNERSTONE" OF SOCIETY.
THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND IS BANNED "CORNERSTONE" OF SOCIETY.
THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND IS BANNED FROM PERFORMING SAME- SEX THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND IS BANNED FROM PERFORMING SAME- SEX MARRIAGES, BUT UNDER THE NEW FROM PERFORMING SAME- SEX MARRIAGES, BUT UNDER THE NEW LEGISLATION, OTHER HOUSES OF MARRIAGES, BUT UNDER THE NEW LEGISLATION, OTHER HOUSES OF WORSHIP CAN CHOOSE TO DO SO.
LEGISLATION, OTHER HOUSES OF WORSHIP CAN CHOOSE TO DO SO.
>>> NEW DATA FINDS THAT MORE WORSHIP CAN CHOOSE TO DO SO.
>>> NEW DATA FINDS THAT MORE AMERICANS ARE RELIGIOUS >>> NEW DATA FINDS THAT MORE AMERICANS ARE RELIGIOUS MODERATES THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
AMERICANS ARE RELIGIOUS MODERATES THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
THE PUBLIC RELIGION RESEARCH MODERATES THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
THE PUBLIC RELIGION RESEARCH INSTITUTE SAYS ALMOST THE PUBLIC RELIGION RESEARCH INSTITUTE SAYS ALMOST FOUR-IN-TEN AMERICANS HOLD INSTITUTE SAYS ALMOST FOUR-IN-TEN AMERICANS HOLD MODERATE RELIGIOUS VIEWS, FOUR-IN-TEN AMERICANS HOLD MODERATE RELIGIOUS VIEWS, COMPARED TO ABOUT 30% WHO ARE MODERATE RELIGIOUS VIEWS, COMPARED TO ABOUT 30% WHO ARE RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES AND COMPARED TO ABOUT 30% WHO ARE RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES AND ABOUT 20% RELIGIOUS RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES AND ABOUT 20% RELIGIOUS PROGRESSIVES.
ABOUT 20% RELIGIOUS PROGRESSIVES.
15% ARE NOT RELIGIOUS.
PROGRESSIVES.
15% ARE NOT RELIGIOUS.
THE LARGEST SINGLE GROUP AMONG 15% ARE NOT RELIGIOUS.
THE LARGEST SINGLE GROUP AMONG PROGRESSIVES ARE CATHOLICS, AND THE LARGEST SINGLE GROUP AMONG PROGRESSIVES ARE CATHOLICS, AND AMONG CONSERVATIVES, WHITE PROGRESSIVES ARE CATHOLICS, AND AMONG CONSERVATIVES, WHITE EVANGELICAL PROTESTANTS.
AMONG CONSERVATIVES, WHITE EVANGELICAL PROTESTANTS.
>>> THE RELIGIOUS LANDSCAPE OF EVANGELICAL PROTESTANTS.
>>> THE RELIGIOUS LANDSCAPE OF THE UNITED STATES IS BEING >>> THE RELIGIOUS LANDSCAPE OF THE UNITED STATES IS BEING RESHAPED BY THE EXPLOSIVE GROWTH THE UNITED STATES IS BEING RESHAPED BY THE EXPLOSIVE GROWTH OF THE LATINO POPULATION.
RESHAPED BY THE EXPLOSIVE GROWTH OF THE LATINO POPULATION.
ONE-IN-SIX AMERICANS TODAY IS OF OF THE LATINO POPULATION.
ONE-IN-SIX AMERICANS TODAY IS OF HISPANIC ORIGIN, AND THAT NUMBER ONE-IN-SIX AMERICANS TODAY IS OF HISPANIC ORIGIN, AND THAT NUMBER IS EXPECTED TO DOUBLE BY 2050.
HISPANIC ORIGIN, AND THAT NUMBER IS EXPECTED TO DOUBLE BY 2050.
WHAT'S CHANGING IN THE LATINO IS EXPECTED TO DOUBLE BY 2050.
WHAT'S CHANGING IN THE LATINO COMMUNITY IS THE WHAT'S CHANGING IN THE LATINO COMMUNITY IS THE ONCE-PREDICTABLE DOMINANCE OF COMMUNITY IS THE ONCE-PREDICTABLE DOMINANCE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
ONCE-PREDICTABLE DOMINANCE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THESE DAYS, HISPANICS ARE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THESE DAYS, HISPANICS ARE FLOCKING TO EVANGELICAL THESE DAYS, HISPANICS ARE FLOCKING TO EVANGELICAL PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS.
FLOCKING TO EVANGELICAL PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS.
♪ PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS.
♪ >> WORSHIP BEGINS AT 2:00 ON ♪ >> WORSHIP BEGINS AT 2:00 ON SUNDAY AFTERNOONS AT THIS >> WORSHIP BEGINS AT 2:00 ON SUNDAY AFTERNOONS AT THIS ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH IN SUNDAY AFTERNOONS AT THIS ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH IN SUBURBAN WASHINGTON, D.C.
ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH IN SUBURBAN WASHINGTON, D.C.
HOURS LATER, IT'S STILL GOING, SUBURBAN WASHINGTON, D.C.
HOURS LATER, IT'S STILL GOING, THE SANCTUARY PACKED WITH HOURS LATER, IT'S STILL GOING, THE SANCTUARY PACKED WITH CONGREGANTS PRAYING IN THE SANCTUARY PACKED WITH CONGREGANTS PRAYING IN RAPID-FIRE SPANISH.
CONGREGANTS PRAYING IN RAPID-FIRE SPANISH.
MEMBERSHIP AT IGLESIA RAPID-FIRE SPANISH.
MEMBERSHIP AT IGLESIA CUADRANGULAR EL CALVARIO HAS MEMBERSHIP AT IGLESIA CUADRANGULAR EL CALVARIO HAS DOUBLED IN LESS THAN TWO YEARS.
CUADRANGULAR EL CALVARIO HAS DOUBLED IN LESS THAN TWO YEARS.
THE PASTOR SAYS MOST OF THOSE DOUBLED IN LESS THAN TWO YEARS.
THE PASTOR SAYS MOST OF THOSE WHO COME ARE IMMIGRANTS FROM THE PASTOR SAYS MOST OF THOSE WHO COME ARE IMMIGRANTS FROM CENTRAL AMERICA, AND FORMER WHO COME ARE IMMIGRANTS FROM CENTRAL AMERICA, AND FORMER CATHOLICS.
CENTRAL AMERICA, AND FORMER CATHOLICS.
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY CALL CATHOLICS.
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY CALL THEMSELVES CATHOLIC ON THIS >> A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY CALL THEMSELVES CATHOLIC ON THIS CASE, BUT MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THEMSELVES CATHOLIC ON THIS CASE, BUT MOSTLY BECAUSE OF TRADITION.
CASE, BUT MOSTLY BECAUSE OF TRADITION.
BUT THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW TRADITION.
BUT THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
BUT THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
>> WHAT THESE WORSHIPERS DO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
>> WHAT THESE WORSHIPERS DO KNOW IS THAT THEY'VE FOUND A HOME IN >> WHAT THESE WORSHIPERS DO KNOW IS THAT THEY'VE FOUND A HOME IN THIS EVANGELICAL PROTESTANT IS THAT THEY'VE FOUND A HOME IN THIS EVANGELICAL PROTESTANT CHURCH.
THIS EVANGELICAL PROTESTANT CHURCH.
>> THEY LIKE TO BE FEELING FREE, CHURCH.
>> THEY LIKE TO BE FEELING FREE, FREEDOM TO WORSHIP THE LORD WITH >> THEY LIKE TO BE FEELING FREE, FREEDOM TO WORSHIP THE LORD WITH OUR HEART.
FREEDOM TO WORSHIP THE LORD WITH OUR HEART.
THE WAY THE LORD LIKES IT IS OUR HEART.
THE WAY THE LORD LIKES IT IS WHEN WE DO IT WITH ALL OUR THE WAY THE LORD LIKES IT IS WHEN WE DO IT WITH ALL OUR HEART.
WHEN WE DO IT WITH ALL OUR HEART.
>> MOST HISPANICS IN THE UNITED HEART.
>> MOST HISPANICS IN THE UNITED STATES STILL CALL THEMSELVES >> MOST HISPANICS IN THE UNITED STATES STILL CALL THEMSELVES CATHOLIC.
STATES STILL CALL THEMSELVES CATHOLIC.
THEY MAKE UP AN INCREASING CATHOLIC.
THEY MAKE UP AN INCREASING PROPORTION OF THE CHURCH.
THEY MAKE UP AN INCREASING PROPORTION OF THE CHURCH.
OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS, THE PROPORTION OF THE CHURCH.
OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS, THE NUMBER OF CATHOLIC CHURCHES OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS, THE NUMBER OF CATHOLIC CHURCHES OFFERING MASS IN SPANISH HAS NUMBER OF CATHOLIC CHURCHES OFFERING MASS IN SPANISH HAS TRIPLED TO MORE THAN A QUARTER OFFERING MASS IN SPANISH HAS TRIPLED TO MORE THAN A QUARTER OF ALL PARISHES.
TRIPLED TO MORE THAN A QUARTER OF ALL PARISHES.
>> THE RESPONSE NEVER SEEMS TO OF ALL PARISHES.
>> THE RESPONSE NEVER SEEMS TO BE ENOUGH FOR THE NUMBERS >> THE RESPONSE NEVER SEEMS TO BE ENOUGH FOR THE NUMBERS BECAUSE EVERY TIME A PARISH BE ENOUGH FOR THE NUMBERS BECAUSE EVERY TIME A PARISH OPENS THE DOOR AND WELCOMES BECAUSE EVERY TIME A PARISH OPENS THE DOOR AND WELCOMES IMMIGRANTS, IT'S FILLED UP.
OPENS THE DOOR AND WELCOMES IMMIGRANTS, IT'S FILLED UP.
THE INFLUX OF IMMIGRANT IMMIGRANTS, IT'S FILLED UP.
THE INFLUX OF IMMIGRANT CATHOLICS HAS KEPT THE CATHOLIC THE INFLUX OF IMMIGRANT CATHOLICS HAS KEPT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MEMBERSHIP AROUND CATHOLICS HAS KEPT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH MEMBERSHIP AROUND 70 MILLION, SO THAT'S DEFINITELY CHURCH MEMBERSHIP AROUND 70 MILLION, SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A TREND.
70 MILLION, SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A TREND.
>> ALMOST HALF OF CATHOLICS A TREND.
>> ALMOST HALF OF CATHOLICS UNDER 40 ARE LATINOS, ACCORDING >> ALMOST HALF OF CATHOLICS UNDER 40 ARE LATINOS, ACCORDING TO THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER.
UNDER 40 ARE LATINOS, ACCORDING TO THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER.
BUT THE CHURCH'S HOLD ON SECOND TO THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER.
BUT THE CHURCH'S HOLD ON SECOND AND THIRD GENERATION HISPANICS BUT THE CHURCH'S HOLD ON SECOND AND THIRD GENERATION HISPANICS IS NOT AS STRONG.
AND THIRD GENERATION HISPANICS IS NOT AS STRONG.
JUST 40% OF LATINOS WHOSE IS NOT AS STRONG.
JUST 40% OF LATINOS WHOSE GRANDPARENTS WERE NOT BORN HERE JUST 40% OF LATINOS WHOSE GRANDPARENTS WERE NOT BORN HERE SAY THEY ARE CATHOLIC, WHILE 30% GRANDPARENTS WERE NOT BORN HERE SAY THEY ARE CATHOLIC, WHILE 30% NOW CALL THEMSELVES PROTESTANT.
SAY THEY ARE CATHOLIC, WHILE 30% NOW CALL THEMSELVES PROTESTANT.
>> I HEAR PEOPLE COME TO OUR NOW CALL THEMSELVES PROTESTANT.
>> I HEAR PEOPLE COME TO OUR CHURCH AND SAY, "WHAT TIME IS >> I HEAR PEOPLE COME TO OUR CHURCH AND SAY, "WHAT TIME IS MASS?"
CHURCH AND SAY, "WHAT TIME IS MASS?"
OR THEY CALL ME "FATHER."
MASS?"
OR THEY CALL ME "FATHER."
SO I KNOW THEY COME FROM THE OR THEY CALL ME "FATHER."
SO I KNOW THEY COME FROM THE CATHOLIC -- AND THEY JUST SAY, SO I KNOW THEY COME FROM THE CATHOLIC -- AND THEY JUST SAY, "YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SO CATHOLIC -- AND THEY JUST SAY, "YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SO DIFFERENT.
"YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SO DIFFERENT.
I LOVE IT HERE.
DIFFERENT.
I LOVE IT HERE.
I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TALKING TO I LOVE IT HERE.
I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TALKING TO ME.
I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TALKING TO ME.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST SO ME.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST SO RIGID."
I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST SO RIGID."
>> WILFREDO DE JESUS BECAME RIGID."
>> WILFREDO DE JESUS BECAME PASTOR OF NEW LIFE COVENANT >> WILFREDO DE JESUS BECAME PASTOR OF NEW LIFE COVENANT CHURCH IN CHICAGO A DOZEN YEARS PASTOR OF NEW LIFE COVENANT CHURCH IN CHICAGO A DOZEN YEARS AGO.
CHURCH IN CHICAGO A DOZEN YEARS AGO.
BORN IN CHICAGO TO A PUERTO AGO.
BORN IN CHICAGO TO A PUERTO RICAN MOTHER, DE JESUS, LIKE BORN IN CHICAGO TO A PUERTO RICAN MOTHER, DE JESUS, LIKE MANY IN HIS CONGREGATION, IS NOT RICAN MOTHER, DE JESUS, LIKE MANY IN HIS CONGREGATION, IS NOT FLUENT IN SPANISH.
MANY IN HIS CONGREGATION, IS NOT FLUENT IN SPANISH.
>> OUR PRIMARY LANGUAGE IS FLUENT IN SPANISH.
>> OUR PRIMARY LANGUAGE IS ENGLISH, YET WE STILL LOVE OUR >> OUR PRIMARY LANGUAGE IS ENGLISH, YET WE STILL LOVE OUR CULTURE, WE STILL LOVE OUR RICE ENGLISH, YET WE STILL LOVE OUR CULTURE, WE STILL LOVE OUR RICE AND BEANS, WE STILL LOVE OUR CULTURE, WE STILL LOVE OUR RICE AND BEANS, WE STILL LOVE OUR MUSIC, BUT WE LOVE TO HEAR THE AND BEANS, WE STILL LOVE OUR MUSIC, BUT WE LOVE TO HEAR THE WORD OF GOD IN THE LANGUAGE THAT MUSIC, BUT WE LOVE TO HEAR THE WORD OF GOD IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND.
WORD OF GOD IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND.
>> UNDER DE JESUS, THE CHURCH WE CAN UNDERSTAND.
>> UNDER DE JESUS, THE CHURCH ADDED SERVICES IN ENGLISH AND >> UNDER DE JESUS, THE CHURCH ADDED SERVICES IN ENGLISH AND EXPERIENCED EXPLOSIVE GROWTH.
ADDED SERVICES IN ENGLISH AND EXPERIENCED EXPLOSIVE GROWTH.
NEW LIFE IS NOW THE BIGGEST EXPERIENCED EXPLOSIVE GROWTH.
NEW LIFE IS NOW THE BIGGEST ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH IN THE NEW LIFE IS NOW THE BIGGEST ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH IN THE COUNTRY, DRAWING MORE THAN ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH IN THE COUNTRY, DRAWING MORE THAN 17,000 WORSHIPERS A WEEK AT COUNTRY, DRAWING MORE THAN 17,000 WORSHIPERS A WEEK AT MULTIPLE CAMPUSES.
17,000 WORSHIPERS A WEEK AT MULTIPLE CAMPUSES.
MANY GREW UP CATHOLIC BUT FOUND MULTIPLE CAMPUSES.
MANY GREW UP CATHOLIC BUT FOUND IN EVANGELICAL CHURCHES MANY GREW UP CATHOLIC BUT FOUND IN EVANGELICAL CHURCHES SOMETHING THEY LONGED FOR.
IN EVANGELICAL CHURCHES SOMETHING THEY LONGED FOR.
>> EVERY TIME I COME TO A SOMETHING THEY LONGED FOR.
>> EVERY TIME I COME TO A SERVICE I ALWAYS GET SOMETHING >> EVERY TIME I COME TO A SERVICE I ALWAYS GET SOMETHING NEW.
SERVICE I ALWAYS GET SOMETHING NEW.
I ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK NEW.
I ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK TOWARD.
I ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK TOWARD.
I FEEL LIKE THE LOVE OF TOWARD.
I FEEL LIKE THE LOVE OF EVERYBODY, WE'RE LIKE A FAMILY I FEEL LIKE THE LOVE OF EVERYBODY, WE'RE LIKE A FAMILY AND I FEEL JUST LOVED AND EVERYBODY, WE'RE LIKE A FAMILY AND I FEEL JUST LOVED AND APPRECIATED.
AND I FEEL JUST LOVED AND APPRECIATED.
>> I THINK IT'S JUST A PERSONAL APPRECIATED.
>> I THINK IT'S JUST A PERSONAL TOUCH.
>> I THINK IT'S JUST A PERSONAL TOUCH.
IT'S ABOUT YOU BEING WITH GOD, TOUCH.
IT'S ABOUT YOU BEING WITH GOD, YOU BEING WITH JESUS, YOU HAVING IT'S ABOUT YOU BEING WITH GOD, YOU BEING WITH JESUS, YOU HAVING A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU BEING WITH JESUS, YOU HAVING A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, EVERY SINGLE HIM, AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, EVERY SINGLE DAY, EVERY SINGLE MINUTE, EVERY REST OF YOUR LIFE, EVERY SINGLE DAY, EVERY SINGLE MINUTE, EVERY SINGLE HOUR.
DAY, EVERY SINGLE MINUTE, EVERY SINGLE HOUR.
AND HOW DO YOU USE ALL OF THAT SINGLE HOUR.
AND HOW DO YOU USE ALL OF THAT TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES, AND HOW DO YOU USE ALL OF THAT TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES, TO REACH OUT TO THE WORLD.
TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES, TO REACH OUT TO THE WORLD.
>> NEW LIFE CALLS ITSELF A TO REACH OUT TO THE WORLD.
>> NEW LIFE CALLS ITSELF A CHURCH FOR THE HURTING, >> NEW LIFE CALLS ITSELF A CHURCH FOR THE HURTING, PROVIDING SHELTER FOR THESE CHURCH FOR THE HURTING, PROVIDING SHELTER FOR THESE WOMEN, AS WELL AS FOOD, CLOTHING PROVIDING SHELTER FOR THESE WOMEN, AS WELL AS FOOD, CLOTHING AND SUPPORT TO MANY PEOPLE IN WOMEN, AS WELL AS FOOD, CLOTHING AND SUPPORT TO MANY PEOPLE IN NEED, AND JOBS AT A CAFE RUN BY AND SUPPORT TO MANY PEOPLE IN NEED, AND JOBS AT A CAFE RUN BY THE CHURCH.
NEED, AND JOBS AT A CAFE RUN BY THE CHURCH.
MARELYN GARCIA CAME HERE AFTER THE CHURCH.
MARELYN GARCIA CAME HERE AFTER 13 YEARS OF DRUG AND ALCOHOL MARELYN GARCIA CAME HERE AFTER 13 YEARS OF DRUG AND ALCOHOL ABUSE AND NOW RUNS A NEW LIFE 13 YEARS OF DRUG AND ALCOHOL ABUSE AND NOW RUNS A NEW LIFE MINISTRY FOR WOMEN.
ABUSE AND NOW RUNS A NEW LIFE MINISTRY FOR WOMEN.
WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO YOU, MINISTRY FOR WOMEN.
WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO YOU, DO YOU THINK, HAD YOU NOT FOUND WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED TO YOU, DO YOU THINK, HAD YOU NOT FOUND THIS PLACE?
DO YOU THINK, HAD YOU NOT FOUND THIS PLACE?
>> I WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD.
THIS PLACE?
>> I WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD.
I WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN >> I WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD.
I WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN DEAD.
I WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN DEAD.
TOWARDS THE END OF MY ADDICTION DEAD.
TOWARDS THE END OF MY ADDICTION I WAS TOO MUCH OF A WIMP TO TOWARDS THE END OF MY ADDICTION I WAS TOO MUCH OF A WIMP TO COMMIT SUICIDE, BUT I WAS I WAS TOO MUCH OF A WIMP TO COMMIT SUICIDE, BUT I WAS DRINKING MY LIFE AWAY, I WAS COMMIT SUICIDE, BUT I WAS DRINKING MY LIFE AWAY, I WAS HAVING UNPROTECTED SEX WITH DRINKING MY LIFE AWAY, I WAS HAVING UNPROTECTED SEX WITH MULTIPLE MEN, I WAS WORKING THE HAVING UNPROTECTED SEX WITH MULTIPLE MEN, I WAS WORKING THE STREETS AS A PROSTITUTE, WHICH I MULTIPLE MEN, I WAS WORKING THE STREETS AS A PROSTITUTE, WHICH I DID FOR FIVE YEARS.
STREETS AS A PROSTITUTE, WHICH I DID FOR FIVE YEARS.
>> NEW LIFE'S SUCCESS IS VISIBLE DID FOR FIVE YEARS.
>> NEW LIFE'S SUCCESS IS VISIBLE THROUGHOUT THIS CHICAGO >> NEW LIFE'S SUCCESS IS VISIBLE THROUGHOUT THIS CHICAGO NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE THE CRIME THROUGHOUT THIS CHICAGO NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE THE CRIME RATE HAS DROPPED AS THE CHURCH NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE THE CRIME RATE HAS DROPPED AS THE CHURCH HAS GROWN.
RATE HAS DROPPED AS THE CHURCH HAS GROWN.
PASTOR DE JESUS BELIEVES ANY HAS GROWN.
PASTOR DE JESUS BELIEVES ANY CHURCH CAN HAVE A SIMILAR IMPACT PASTOR DE JESUS BELIEVES ANY CHURCH CAN HAVE A SIMILAR IMPACT IN ITS COMMUNITY, SO HE'S CHURCH CAN HAVE A SIMILAR IMPACT IN ITS COMMUNITY, SO HE'S SHARING HIS PLAYBOOK.
IN ITS COMMUNITY, SO HE'S SHARING HIS PLAYBOOK.
300 PASTORS AND CHURCH LEADERS SHARING HIS PLAYBOOK.
300 PASTORS AND CHURCH LEADERS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY ATTENDED 300 PASTORS AND CHURCH LEADERS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY ATTENDED NEW LIFE'S THIRD ANNUAL FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY ATTENDED NEW LIFE'S THIRD ANNUAL CONFERENCE TO LEARN HOW TO JUMP NEW LIFE'S THIRD ANNUAL CONFERENCE TO LEARN HOW TO JUMP START THEIR MINISTRIES FROM THE CONFERENCE TO LEARN HOW TO JUMP START THEIR MINISTRIES FROM THE MAN PEOPLE CALL PASTOR CHOCO.
START THEIR MINISTRIES FROM THE MAN PEOPLE CALL PASTOR CHOCO.
>> GOD IS SAYING, I'VE GOT THE MAN PEOPLE CALL PASTOR CHOCO.
>> GOD IS SAYING, I'VE GOT THE MONEY.
>> GOD IS SAYING, I'VE GOT THE MONEY.
I'VE GOT THE RESOURCES.
MONEY.
I'VE GOT THE RESOURCES.
WHAT I NEED IS A CHURCH THAT'S I'VE GOT THE RESOURCES.
WHAT I NEED IS A CHURCH THAT'S WILLING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF WHAT I NEED IS A CHURCH THAT'S WILLING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THESE PEOPLE.r WILLING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THESE PEOPLE.r IS THAT YOU?
THESE PEOPLE.r IS THAT YOU?
IS THAT YOU?
IS THAT YOU?
IS THAT YOU?
>> WE'RE A CONGREGATION TODAY OF IS THAT YOU?
>> WE'RE A CONGREGATION TODAY OF ABOUT 100.
>> WE'RE A CONGREGATION TODAY OF ABOUT 100.
AND WE SEE BIGGER THINGS AHEAD ABOUT 100.
AND WE SEE BIGGER THINGS AHEAD OF US.
AND WE SEE BIGGER THINGS AHEAD OF US.
WE SEE GREATER THINGS AHEAD OF OF US.
WE SEE GREATER THINGS AHEAD OF US.
WE SEE GREATER THINGS AHEAD OF US.
WE'RE HERE TO SEE AND LEARN FROM US.
WE'RE HERE TO SEE AND LEARN FROM PASTOR CHOCO, WHAT HE'S DONE AND WE'RE HERE TO SEE AND LEARN FROM PASTOR CHOCO, WHAT HE'S DONE AND HOW WE CAN UTILIZE SOME OF THE PASTOR CHOCO, WHAT HE'S DONE AND HOW WE CAN UTILIZE SOME OF THE MODELS THAT HE'S IMPLEMENTED TO HOW WE CAN UTILIZE SOME OF THE MODELS THAT HE'S IMPLEMENTED TO FURTHER GOD'S KINGDOM.
MODELS THAT HE'S IMPLEMENTED TO FURTHER GOD'S KINGDOM.
>> WE WANT TO GROW BUT WE REALLY FURTHER GOD'S KINGDOM.
>> WE WANT TO GROW BUT WE REALLY WANT TO REBUILD AND REALLY TOUCH >> WE WANT TO GROW BUT WE REALLY WANT TO REBUILD AND REALLY TOUCH THE HURTING.
WANT TO REBUILD AND REALLY TOUCH THE HURTING.
THAT'S OUR FOCUS RIGHT NOW.
THE HURTING.
THAT'S OUR FOCUS RIGHT NOW.
>> WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED SO FAR?
THAT'S OUR FOCUS RIGHT NOW.
>> WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED SO FAR?
>> WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS THAT IF >> WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED SO FAR?
>> WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS THAT IF PASTOR CHOCO CAN DO IT, WE CAN >> WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS THAT IF PASTOR CHOCO CAN DO IT, WE CAN DO IT.
PASTOR CHOCO CAN DO IT, WE CAN DO IT.
>> THE PASTORS ALSO LEARNED DO IT.
>> THE PASTORS ALSO LEARNED FIRSTHAND HOW NEW LIFE MINISTERS >> THE PASTORS ALSO LEARNED FIRSTHAND HOW NEW LIFE MINISTERS TO THE HOMELESS.
FIRSTHAND HOW NEW LIFE MINISTERS TO THE HOMELESS.
>> HELLO?
TO THE HOMELESS.
>> HELLO?
GOD BLESS YOU, SIR.
>> HELLO?
GOD BLESS YOU, SIR.
HOW ARE YOU?
GOD BLESS YOU, SIR.
HOW ARE YOU?
>> SOME BELIEVE THE ELECTION OF HOW ARE YOU?
>> SOME BELIEVE THE ELECTION OF THE FIRST LATIN AMERICAN POPE >> SOME BELIEVE THE ELECTION OF THE FIRST LATIN AMERICAN POPE COULD HELP THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THE FIRST LATIN AMERICAN POPE COULD HELP THE CATHOLIC CHURCH RETAIN MORE HISPANICS.
COULD HELP THE CATHOLIC CHURCH RETAIN MORE HISPANICS.
>> I THINK THAT SYMBOLICALLY RETAIN MORE HISPANICS.
>> I THINK THAT SYMBOLICALLY IT'S VERY MEANINGFUL.
>> I THINK THAT SYMBOLICALLY IT'S VERY MEANINGFUL.
HOWEVER, WE CANNOT EXPECT EVERY IT'S VERY MEANINGFUL.
HOWEVER, WE CANNOT EXPECT EVERY HISPANIC CATHOLIC IMMIGRANT TO HOWEVER, WE CANNOT EXPECT EVERY HISPANIC CATHOLIC IMMIGRANT TO REMAIN CATHOLIC AS THEY ENTER HISPANIC CATHOLIC IMMIGRANT TO REMAIN CATHOLIC AS THEY ENTER INTO U.S. SOCIETY.
REMAIN CATHOLIC AS THEY ENTER INTO U.S. SOCIETY.
HOWEVER, I THINK THAT THE INTO U.S. SOCIETY.
HOWEVER, I THINK THAT THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS WILL CONTINUE HOWEVER, I THINK THAT THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS WILL CONTINUE TO OPEN UP THE DOORS SO THAT CATHOLIC BISHOPS WILL CONTINUE TO OPEN UP THE DOORS SO THAT CATHOLIC IMMIGRANTS FROM LATIN TO OPEN UP THE DOORS SO THAT CATHOLIC IMMIGRANTS FROM LATIN AMERICA AND OTHER CONTINENTS CATHOLIC IMMIGRANTS FROM LATIN AMERICA AND OTHER CONTINENTS WILL FIND IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AMERICA AND OTHER CONTINENTS WILL FIND IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THEIR HOME AWAY FROM HOME.
WILL FIND IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THEIR HOME AWAY FROM HOME.
>> I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO JOIN MY THEIR HOME AWAY FROM HOME.
>> I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO JOIN MY CHURCH.
YOU CAN JOIN ANY CHURCH >> I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO JOIN MY CHURCH.
YOU CAN JOIN ANY CHURCH YOU WANT.
CHURCH.
YOU CAN JOIN ANY CHURCH YOU WANT.
BUT YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO YOU WANT.
BUT YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO WAIT ON THE LORD.
IF YOU RAISED BUT YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO WAIT ON THE LORD.
IF YOU RAISED YOUR HAND WOULD YOU DO ME A WAIT ON THE LORD.
IF YOU RAISED YOUR HAND WOULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR?
YOUR HAND WOULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR?
GET OUT OF YOUR SEAT AND COME FAVOR?
GET OUT OF YOUR SEAT AND COME QUICKLY.
GET OUT OF YOUR SEAT AND COME QUICKLY.
COME, COME.
QUICKLY.
COME, COME.
>> AND THEY DO COME, FORMING A COME, COME.
>> AND THEY DO COME, FORMING A NEW COMMUNITY, UNITED IN PRAYER.
>> AND THEY DO COME, FORMING A NEW COMMUNITY, UNITED IN PRAYER.
MORE OF THEM EVERY WEEK.
NEW COMMUNITY, UNITED IN PRAYER.
MORE OF THEM EVERY WEEK.
FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS MORE OF THEM EVERY WEEK.
FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M DEBORAH POTTER FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M DEBORAH POTTER IN CHICAGO.
NEWSWEEKLY," I'M DEBORAH POTTER IN CHICAGO.
>>> POPE FRANCIS LEAVES NEXT IN CHICAGO.
>>> POPE FRANCIS LEAVES NEXT WEEK ON HIS FIRST MAJOR >>> POPE FRANCIS LEAVES NEXT WEEK ON HIS FIRST MAJOR INTERNATIONAL TRIP.
WEEK ON HIS FIRST MAJOR INTERNATIONAL TRIP.
HE'LL TRAVEL TO BRAZIL, HOME TO INTERNATIONAL TRIP.
HE'LL TRAVEL TO BRAZIL, HOME TO THE WORLD'S LARGEST CATHOLIC HE'LL TRAVEL TO BRAZIL, HOME TO THE WORLD'S LARGEST CATHOLIC POPULATION, TO CELEBRATE WORLD THE WORLD'S LARGEST CATHOLIC POPULATION, TO CELEBRATE WORLD YOUTH DAY.
POPULATION, TO CELEBRATE WORLD YOUTH DAY.
THE POPE WILL PRAY AT THE YOUTH DAY.
THE POPE WILL PRAY AT THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF OUR LADY OF THE POPE WILL PRAY AT THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF OUR LADY OF APARECIDA, THE LARGEST SHRINE IN NATIONAL SHRINE OF OUR LADY OF APARECIDA, THE LARGEST SHRINE IN THE WORLD DEDICATED TO THE APARECIDA, THE LARGEST SHRINE IN THE WORLD DEDICATED TO THE VIRGIN MARY.
THE WORLD DEDICATED TO THE VIRGIN MARY.
HE'LL ALSO LEAD THE STATIONS OF VIRGIN MARY.
HE'LL ALSO LEAD THE STATIONS OF THE CROSS ON THE FAMOUS HE'LL ALSO LEAD THE STATIONS OF THE CROSS ON THE FAMOUS COPACABANA BEACH AND VISIT A THE CROSS ON THE FAMOUS COPACABANA BEACH AND VISIT A SLUM IN RIO DE JANEIRO.
COPACABANA BEACH AND VISIT A SLUM IN RIO DE JANEIRO.
CAN FOLLOWING THE POPE ON SLUM IN RIO DE JANEIRO.
CAN FOLLOWING THE POPE ON TWITTER BE GOOD FOR YOUR SOUL?
CAN FOLLOWING THE POPE ON TWITTER BE GOOD FOR YOUR SOUL?
THE VATICAN SAYS THAT FOLLOWING TWITTER BE GOOD FOR YOUR SOUL?
THE VATICAN SAYS THAT FOLLOWING WORLD YOUTH DAY EVENTS ON SOCIAL THE VATICAN SAYS THAT FOLLOWING WORLD YOUTH DAY EVENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA CAN LEAD TO A PLENARY WORLD YOUTH DAY EVENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA CAN LEAD TO A PLENARY INDULGENCE, WHICH CATHOLICS MEDIA CAN LEAD TO A PLENARY INDULGENCE, WHICH CATHOLICS BELIEVE CAN REDUCE THE TIME A INDULGENCE, WHICH CATHOLICS BELIEVE CAN REDUCE THE TIME A SOUL SPENDS IN PURGATORY.
BELIEVE CAN REDUCE THE TIME A SOUL SPENDS IN PURGATORY.
BUT IT'S NOT THAT EASY.
SOUL SPENDS IN PURGATORY.
BUT IT'S NOT THAT EASY.
THE SAME REQUIREMENTS FOR BUT IT'S NOT THAT EASY.
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