>>> COMING UP -- SUPPORTERS OF >>> COMING UP -- SUPPORTERS OF GAY MARRIAGE CHEERED THE SUPREME >>> COMING UP -- SUPPORTERS OF GAY MARRIAGE CHEERED THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISIONS THEY SAID GAY MARRIAGE CHEERED THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISIONS THEY SAID MOVED THE COUNTRY CLOSER TO FULL COURT'S DECISIONS THEY SAID MOVED THE COUNTRY CLOSER TO FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY.
MOVED THE COUNTRY CLOSER TO FULL MARRIAGE EQUALITY.
TIM O'BRIEN REPORTS ON THOSE AND MARRIAGE EQUALITY.
TIM O'BRIEN REPORTS ON THOSE AND OTHER RULINGS THIS WEEK, AND KIM TIM O'BRIEN REPORTS ON THOSE AND OTHER RULINGS THIS WEEK, AND KIM LAWTON SUMS UP REACTIONS FROM OTHER RULINGS THIS WEEK, AND KIM LAWTON SUMS UP REACTIONS FROM RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES.
LAWTON SUMS UP REACTIONS FROM RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES.
>> IT'S VERY GAY AND LESBIAN, RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES.
>> IT'S VERY GAY AND LESBIAN, BISEXUAL AND TRANSGENDERED >> IT'S VERY GAY AND LESBIAN, BISEXUAL AND TRANSGENDERED AMERICANS CAN FINALLY ENJOY.
BISEXUAL AND TRANSGENDERED AMERICANS CAN FINALLY ENJOY.
FEDERAL RECOGNITION AND AMERICANS CAN FINALLY ENJOY.
FEDERAL RECOGNITION AND PROTECTION THAT LAWS SO LONG FEDERAL RECOGNITION AND PROTECTION THAT LAWS SO LONG EXTENDED TO THEIR FELLOW PROTECTION THAT LAWS SO LONG EXTENDED TO THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS.
EXTENDED TO THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS.
>> OUR CHURCHES ARE GOING TO CITIZENS.
>> OUR CHURCHES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE READY TO LIVE IN A >> OUR CHURCHES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE READY TO LIVE IN A WORLD IN WHICH WE CANNOT SIMPLY HAVE TO BE READY TO LIVE IN A WORLD IN WHICH WE CANNOT SIMPLY ASSUME A DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE WORLD IN WHICH WE CANNOT SIMPLY ASSUME A DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE AND FAMILY.
ASSUME A DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE AND FAMILY.
>>> ALSO -- CALLING ATTENTION TO AND FAMILY.
>>> ALSO -- CALLING ATTENTION TO GENOCIDE AROUND THE WORLD, >>> ALSO -- CALLING ATTENTION TO GENOCIDE AROUND THE WORLD, PEOPLE FROM ALL 50 STATES MADE GENOCIDE AROUND THE WORLD, PEOPLE FROM ALL 50 STATES MADE ARTIFICIAL BONES TO DISPLAY ON PEOPLE FROM ALL 50 STATES MADE ARTIFICIAL BONES TO DISPLAY ON WASHINGTON'S NATIONAL MALL.
ARTIFICIAL BONES TO DISPLAY ON WASHINGTON'S NATIONAL MALL.
>>> WELCOME, I'M BOB ABERNETHY.
WASHINGTON'S NATIONAL MALL.
>>> WELCOME, I'M BOB ABERNETHY.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US >>> WELCOME, I'M BOB ABERNETHY.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US THIS WEEK OF IMPORTANT AND IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US THIS WEEK OF IMPORTANT AND CONTROVERSIAL SUPREME COURT THIS WEEK OF IMPORTANT AND CONTROVERSIAL SUPREME COURT DECISIONS.
CONTROVERSIAL SUPREME COURT DECISIONS.
TIM O'BRIEN REPORTS ON THE DECISIONS.
TIM O'BRIEN REPORTS ON THE COURT'S RULINGS ON GAY MARRIAGE, TIM O'BRIEN REPORTS ON THE COURT'S RULINGS ON GAY MARRIAGE, ON VOTING RIGHTS, AND ON RACE AS COURT'S RULINGS ON GAY MARRIAGE, ON VOTING RIGHTS, AND ON RACE AS A FACTOR IN ADMISSIONS TO ON VOTING RIGHTS, AND ON RACE AS A FACTOR IN ADMISSIONS TO COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.
A FACTOR IN ADMISSIONS TO COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.
THEN, KIM LAWTON SUMS UP THE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.
THEN, KIM LAWTON SUMS UP THE REACTIONS OF RELIGIOUS THEN, KIM LAWTON SUMS UP THE REACTIONS OF RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES TO THE COURT'S GAY REACTIONS OF RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES TO THE COURT'S GAY MARRIAGE DECISIONS.
COMMUNITIES TO THE COURT'S GAY MARRIAGE DECISIONS.
TIM BEGINS WITH AFFIRMATIVE MARRIAGE DECISIONS.
TIM BEGINS WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.
TIM BEGINS WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.
>> Reporter: NO ISSUE HAD TIED ACTION.
>> Reporter: NO ISSUE HAD TIED UP THE COURT LONGER THIS YEAR >> Reporter: NO ISSUE HAD TIED UP THE COURT LONGER THIS YEAR THAN WHETHER TO UPHOLD UP THE COURT LONGER THIS YEAR THAN WHETHER TO UPHOLD AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AT THE THAN WHETHER TO UPHOLD AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN, WHERE BEING AFRICAN-AMERICAN UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN, WHERE BEING AFRICAN-AMERICAN HELPS IN BEING ADMITTED.
WHERE BEING AFRICAN-AMERICAN HELPS IN BEING ADMITTED.
>> DIVERSITY, AND LET'S BE MORE HELPS IN BEING ADMITTED.
>> DIVERSITY, AND LET'S BE MORE POINTED, RACIAL DIVERSITY, IS >> DIVERSITY, AND LET'S BE MORE POINTED, RACIAL DIVERSITY, IS USED AS ONE FACTOR AMONG MANY.
POINTED, RACIAL DIVERSITY, IS USED AS ONE FACTOR AMONG MANY.
>> Reporter: THE JUSTICES RULED USED AS ONE FACTOR AMONG MANY.
>> Reporter: THE JUSTICES RULED THAT ANY DISTINCTIONS BASED ON >> Reporter: THE JUSTICES RULED THAT ANY DISTINCTIONS BASED ON RACE MUST BE SUBJECTED TO STRICT THAT ANY DISTINCTIONS BASED ON RACE MUST BE SUBJECTED TO STRICT SCRUTINY, REAFFIRMING A STANDARD RACE MUST BE SUBJECTED TO STRICT SCRUTINY, REAFFIRMING A STANDARD IT HAD GENERALLY ANNOUNCED TEN SCRUTINY, REAFFIRMING A STANDARD IT HAD GENERALLY ANNOUNCED TEN YEARS AGO.
IT HAD GENERALLY ANNOUNCED TEN YEARS AGO.
THE COURT DID NOT QUARREL WITH YEARS AGO.
THE COURT DID NOT QUARREL WITH THE UNIVERSITY'S ARGUMENT THAT THE COURT DID NOT QUARREL WITH THE UNIVERSITY'S ARGUMENT THAT IT HAD A COMPELLING INTEREST IN THE UNIVERSITY'S ARGUMENT THAT IT HAD A COMPELLING INTEREST IN A DIVERSE STUDENT BODY, BUT MADE IT HAD A COMPELLING INTEREST IN A DIVERSE STUDENT BODY, BUT MADE CLEAR THAT RACE-NEUTRAL REMEDIES A DIVERSE STUDENT BODY, BUT MADE CLEAR THAT RACE-NEUTRAL REMEDIES MUST BE CONSIDERED BEFORE ANY CLEAR THAT RACE-NEUTRAL REMEDIES MUST BE CONSIDERED BEFORE ANY RACIAL PREFERENCES WILL BE MUST BE CONSIDERED BEFORE ANY RACIAL PREFERENCES WILL BE ALLOWED.
RACIAL PREFERENCES WILL BE ALLOWED.
THE NEXT DAY, THE JUSTICES ALLOWED.
THE NEXT DAY, THE JUSTICES ENTERED AN EVEN DEEPER FRAY -- THE NEXT DAY, THE JUSTICES ENTERED AN EVEN DEEPER FRAY -- VOTING RIGHTS.
ENTERED AN EVEN DEEPER FRAY -- VOTING RIGHTS.
THE COURT DEALT A LETHAL BLOW TO VOTING RIGHTS.
THE COURT DEALT A LETHAL BLOW TO A KEY PROVISION OF THE THE COURT DEALT A LETHAL BLOW TO A KEY PROVISION OF THE 1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT, A KEY PROVISION OF THE 1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT, GENERALLY CONSIDERED THE 1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT, GENERALLY CONSIDERED THE CROWNING ACHIEVEMENT OF THE GENERALLY CONSIDERED THE CROWNING ACHIEVEMENT OF THE LYNDON JOHNSON ADMINISTRATION CROWNING ACHIEVEMENT OF THE LYNDON JOHNSON ADMINISTRATION AND THE MOST IMPORTANT CIVIL LYNDON JOHNSON ADMINISTRATION AND THE MOST IMPORTANT CIVIL RIGHTS LEGISLATION OF THE 20th AND THE MOST IMPORTANT CIVIL RIGHTS LEGISLATION OF THE 20th CENTURY.
RIGHTS LEGISLATION OF THE 20th CENTURY.
AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE 1965 LAW CENTURY.
AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE 1965 LAW REQUIRED NINE STATES WITH A LONG AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE 1965 LAW REQUIRED NINE STATES WITH A LONG HISTORY OF RACIAL REQUIRED NINE STATES WITH A LONG HISTORY OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, MOSTLY IN THE HISTORY OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, MOSTLY IN THE SOUTH, TO SUBMIT ANY NEW VOTING DISCRIMINATION, MOSTLY IN THE SOUTH, TO SUBMIT ANY NEW VOTING PROCEDURES TO THE JUSTICE SOUTH, TO SUBMIT ANY NEW VOTING PROCEDURES TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT BEFORE IT COULD BE PROCEDURES TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT BEFORE IT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED.
DEPARTMENT BEFORE IT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED.
BUT CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS, IMPLEMENTED.
BUT CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS, FOR A FIVE-JUDGE MAJORITY, SAID BUT CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS, FOR A FIVE-JUDGE MAJORITY, SAID THE FORMULA FOR DETERMINING FOR A FIVE-JUDGE MAJORITY, SAID THE FORMULA FOR DETERMINING WHICH STATES ARE AFFECTED WAS THE FORMULA FOR DETERMINING WHICH STATES ARE AFFECTED WAS TOO ANTIQUATED.
WHICH STATES ARE AFFECTED WAS TOO ANTIQUATED.
"OUR COUNTRY HAS CHANGED," SAID TOO ANTIQUATED.
"OUR COUNTRY HAS CHANGED," SAID ROBERTS.
"OUR COUNTRY HAS CHANGED," SAID ROBERTS.
"WHILE ANY RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ROBERTS.
"WHILE ANY RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN VOTING IS TOO MUCH, CONGRESS "WHILE ANY RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN VOTING IS TOO MUCH, CONGRESS MUST ENSURE THAT THE LEGISLATION IN VOTING IS TOO MUCH, CONGRESS MUST ENSURE THAT THE LEGISLATION IT PASSES TO REMEDY THAT PROBLEM MUST ENSURE THAT THE LEGISLATION IT PASSES TO REMEDY THAT PROBLEM SPEAKS TO CURRENT CONDITIONS."
IT PASSES TO REMEDY THAT PROBLEM SPEAKS TO CURRENT CONDITIONS."
IF THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CASE SPEAKS TO CURRENT CONDITIONS."
IF THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CASE WAS THE LONGEST AWAITED DECISION IF THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION CASE WAS THE LONGEST AWAITED DECISION OF THE YEAR, THE SAME-SEX WAS THE LONGEST AWAITED DECISION OF THE YEAR, THE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE CASES WERE THE MOST OF THE YEAR, THE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE CASES WERE THE MOST ANXIOUSLY AWAITED, AND ON MARRIAGE CASES WERE THE MOST ANXIOUSLY AWAITED, AND ON WEDNESDAY, THE LAST DAY ANXIOUSLY AWAITED, AND ON WEDNESDAY, THE LAST DAY OF THE TERM, THE COURT DELIVERED WEDNESDAY, THE LAST DAY OF THE TERM, THE COURT DELIVERED A PAIR OF BIG VICTORIES FOR GAY OF THE TERM, THE COURT DELIVERED A PAIR OF BIG VICTORIES FOR GAY RIGHTS.
A PAIR OF BIG VICTORIES FOR GAY RIGHTS.
THE DECISIONS BROUGHT JUBILATION RIGHTS.
THE DECISIONS BROUGHT JUBILATION TO SUPPORTERS OF SAME-SEX THE DECISIONS BROUGHT JUBILATION TO SUPPORTERS OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, HERE RUNNING FROM THE TO SUPPORTERS OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, HERE RUNNING FROM THE COURTHOUSE WITH VICTORY MARRIAGE, HERE RUNNING FROM THE COURTHOUSE WITH VICTORY LITERALLY IN THEIR HANDS.
COURTHOUSE WITH VICTORY LITERALLY IN THEIR HANDS.
THE JUSTICES LET STAND A LOWER LITERALLY IN THEIR HANDS.
THE JUSTICES LET STAND A LOWER COURT DECISION THROWING OUT PROP THE JUSTICES LET STAND A LOWER COURT DECISION THROWING OUT PROP 8, THE CALIFORNIA AMENDMENT THAT COURT DECISION THROWING OUT PROP 8, THE CALIFORNIA AMENDMENT THAT BANNED SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IN THAT 8, THE CALIFORNIA AMENDMENT THAT BANNED SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IN THAT STATE.
BANNED SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IN THAT STATE.
>> OUR PLAINTIFFS NOW GET TO GO STATE.
>> OUR PLAINTIFFS NOW GET TO GO BACK TO CALIFORNIA AND TOGETHER >> OUR PLAINTIFFS NOW GET TO GO BACK TO CALIFORNIA AND TOGETHER WITH EVERY OTHER CITIZEN OF BACK TO CALIFORNIA AND TOGETHER WITH EVERY OTHER CITIZEN OF CALIFORNIA MARRY THE PERSON THEY WITH EVERY OTHER CITIZEN OF CALIFORNIA MARRY THE PERSON THEY LOVE.
CALIFORNIA MARRY THE PERSON THEY LOVE.
>> AND TODAY WE CAN GO BACK AND LOVE.
>> AND TODAY WE CAN GO BACK AND SAY TO OUR OWN CHILDREN, ALL >> AND TODAY WE CAN GO BACK AND SAY TO OUR OWN CHILDREN, ALL FOUR OF OUR BOYS, YOUR FAMILY IS SAY TO OUR OWN CHILDREN, ALL FOUR OF OUR BOYS, YOUR FAMILY IS JUST AS GOOD AS EVERYBODY ELSE'S FOUR OF OUR BOYS, YOUR FAMILY IS JUST AS GOOD AS EVERYBODY ELSE'S FAMILY.
JUST AS GOOD AS EVERYBODY ELSE'S FAMILY.
WE LOVE YOU AS MUCH AS ANYBODY FAMILY.
WE LOVE YOU AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE'S PARENTS LOVE THEIR KIDS, WE LOVE YOU AS MUCH AS ANYBODY ELSE'S PARENTS LOVE THEIR KIDS, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE EQUAL.
ELSE'S PARENTS LOVE THEIR KIDS, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE EQUAL.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE MARRIED, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE EQUAL.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE MARRIED, AND WE WILL BE EQUAL TO EVERY NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE MARRIED, AND WE WILL BE EQUAL TO EVERY OTHER FAMILY IN CALIFORNIA.
AND WE WILL BE EQUAL TO EVERY OTHER FAMILY IN CALIFORNIA.
THANK YOU.
OTHER FAMILY IN CALIFORNIA.
THANK YOU.
>> Reporter: AND, IN ANOTHER THANK YOU.
>> Reporter: AND, IN ANOTHER CASE, THE JUSTICES FOUND THE >> Reporter: AND, IN ANOTHER CASE, THE JUSTICES FOUND THE FEDERAL DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT, CASE, THE JUSTICES FOUND THE FEDERAL DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT, OR DOMA, UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
FEDERAL DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT, OR DOMA, UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
THE LAW DENIES SAME-SEX COUPLES OR DOMA, UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
THE LAW DENIES SAME-SEX COUPLES THE FEDERAL BENEFITS ROUTINELY THE LAW DENIES SAME-SEX COUPLES THE FEDERAL BENEFITS ROUTINELY ALLOWED HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES, THE FEDERAL BENEFITS ROUTINELY ALLOWED HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES, SUCH AS THE RIGHT TO FILE A ALLOWED HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES, SUCH AS THE RIGHT TO FILE A JOINT TAX RETURN.
SUCH AS THE RIGHT TO FILE A JOINT TAX RETURN.
DOMA WAS CHALLENGED BY JOINT TAX RETURN.
DOMA WAS CHALLENGED BY 83-YEAR-OLD EDIE WINDSOR, WHOSE DOMA WAS CHALLENGED BY 83-YEAR-OLD EDIE WINDSOR, WHOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THEA SPAYER 83-YEAR-OLD EDIE WINDSOR, WHOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THEA SPAYER SPANNED MORE THAN 40 YEARS.
RELATIONSHIP WITH THEA SPAYER SPANNED MORE THAN 40 YEARS.
THE TWO WERE MARRIED IN 2007, SPANNED MORE THAN 40 YEARS.
THE TWO WERE MARRIED IN 2007, BUT THEA PASSED AWAY TWO YEARS THE TWO WERE MARRIED IN 2007, BUT THEA PASSED AWAY TWO YEARS LATER, LEAVING THE BULK OF HER BUT THEA PASSED AWAY TWO YEARS LATER, LEAVING THE BULK OF HER ESTATE TO EDIE.
LATER, LEAVING THE BULK OF HER ESTATE TO EDIE.
ALONG WITH IT CAME A FEDERAL ESTATE TO EDIE.
ALONG WITH IT CAME A FEDERAL ESTATE TAX OF $363,000.
ALONG WITH IT CAME A FEDERAL ESTATE TAX OF $363,000.
HAD THEA BEEN MALE, EDIE WOULD ESTATE TAX OF $363,000.
HAD THEA BEEN MALE, EDIE WOULD HAVE QUALIFIED FOR THE FEDERAL HAD THEA BEEN MALE, EDIE WOULD HAVE QUALIFIED FOR THE FEDERAL EXEMPTION, BUT UNDER DOMA SHE HAVE QUALIFIED FOR THE FEDERAL EXEMPTION, BUT UNDER DOMA SHE HAD TO PAY.
EXEMPTION, BUT UNDER DOMA SHE HAD TO PAY.
THIS WEEK THE SUPREME COURT HAD TO PAY.
THIS WEEK THE SUPREME COURT FOUND SUCH DISPARATE TREATMENT THIS WEEK THE SUPREME COURT FOUND SUCH DISPARATE TREATMENT VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTION'S FOUND SUCH DISPARATE TREATMENT VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTION'S GUARANTEES OF LIBERTY AND VIOLATES THE CONSTITUTION'S GUARANTEES OF LIBERTY AND EQUALITY.
GUARANTEES OF LIBERTY AND EQUALITY.
IN NEW YORK, EDIE WINDSOR SAID EQUALITY.
IN NEW YORK, EDIE WINDSOR SAID SHE CRIED WHEN SHE LEARNED OF IN NEW YORK, EDIE WINDSOR SAID SHE CRIED WHEN SHE LEARNED OF THE HIGH COURT'S DECISION.
SHE CRIED WHEN SHE LEARNED OF THE HIGH COURT'S DECISION.
>> WE WON EVERYTHING WE ASKED THE HIGH COURT'S DECISION.
>> WE WON EVERYTHING WE ASKED AND HOPED FOR.
>> WE WON EVERYTHING WE ASKED AND HOPED FOR.
WOW!
AND HOPED FOR.
WOW!
>> Reporter: THE OPINION WAS WOW!
>> Reporter: THE OPINION WAS WRITTEN BY JUSTICE ANTHONY >> Reporter: THE OPINION WAS WRITTEN BY JUSTICE ANTHONY KENNEDY, WHO CONCLUDED "THAT THE WRITTEN BY JUSTICE ANTHONY KENNEDY, WHO CONCLUDED "THAT THE PRINCIPAL PURPOSE AND THE KENNEDY, WHO CONCLUDED "THAT THE PRINCIPAL PURPOSE AND THE NECESSARY EFFECT OF THIS LAW ARE PRINCIPAL PURPOSE AND THE NECESSARY EFFECT OF THIS LAW ARE TO DEMEAN THOSE PERSONS WHO ARE NECESSARY EFFECT OF THIS LAW ARE TO DEMEAN THOSE PERSONS WHO ARE IN A LAWFUL SAME-SEX MARRIAGE."
TO DEMEAN THOSE PERSONS WHO ARE IN A LAWFUL SAME-SEX MARRIAGE."
KENNEDY, A REAGAN APPOINTEE, IS IN A LAWFUL SAME-SEX MARRIAGE."
KENNEDY, A REAGAN APPOINTEE, IS NOW EMERGING AS THE COURT'S KENNEDY, A REAGAN APPOINTEE, IS NOW EMERGING AS THE COURT'S RESIDENT CHAMPION FOR GAY NOW EMERGING AS THE COURT'S RESIDENT CHAMPION FOR GAY RIGHTS.
RESIDENT CHAMPION FOR GAY RIGHTS.
THIS IS THE THIRD MAJOR CASE IN RIGHTS.
THIS IS THE THIRD MAJOR CASE IN WHICH HE HAS PROVIDED THE THIS IS THE THIRD MAJOR CASE IN WHICH HE HAS PROVIDED THE CRITICAL FIFTH VOTE FOR VICTORY.
WHICH HE HAS PROVIDED THE CRITICAL FIFTH VOTE FOR VICTORY.
>> IT TOOK LESS THAN FIVE YEARS CRITICAL FIFTH VOTE FOR VICTORY.
>> IT TOOK LESS THAN FIVE YEARS TO STRIKE DOWN PROPOSITION 8 AND >> IT TOOK LESS THAN FIVE YEARS TO STRIKE DOWN PROPOSITION 8 AND TO RESTORE MARRIAGE EQUALITY TO TO STRIKE DOWN PROPOSITION 8 AND TO RESTORE MARRIAGE EQUALITY TO THE MOST POPULOUS STATE IN THIS TO RESTORE MARRIAGE EQUALITY TO THE MOST POPULOUS STATE IN THIS LAND.
THE MOST POPULOUS STATE IN THIS LAND.
SO TODAY, LET'S SET A NEW GOAL.
LAND.
SO TODAY, LET'S SET A NEW GOAL.
WITHIN FIVE YEARS, WE WILL BRING SO TODAY, LET'S SET A NEW GOAL.
WITHIN FIVE YEARS, WE WILL BRING MARRIAGE EQUALITY TO ALL WITHIN FIVE YEARS, WE WILL BRING MARRIAGE EQUALITY TO ALL 50 STATES IN THIS VAST COUNTRY.
MARRIAGE EQUALITY TO ALL 50 STATES IN THIS VAST COUNTRY.
>> Reporter: WHEN THESE CASES 50 STATES IN THIS VAST COUNTRY.
>> Reporter: WHEN THESE CASES WERE ARGUED LAST MARCH, SEVERAL >> Reporter: WHEN THESE CASES WERE ARGUED LAST MARCH, SEVERAL JUSTICES SUGGESTED THE COUNTRY WERE ARGUED LAST MARCH, SEVERAL JUSTICES SUGGESTED THE COUNTRY MIGHT NOT BE READY FOR A RULING JUSTICES SUGGESTED THE COUNTRY MIGHT NOT BE READY FOR A RULING THAT WOULD REC QUIR ALL STATES MIGHT NOT BE READY FOR A RULING THAT WOULD REC QUIR ALL STATES TO RECOGNIZE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
THAT WOULD REC QUIR ALL STATES TO RECOGNIZE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
THIS APPEARS TO BE AT LEAST A TO RECOGNIZE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
THIS APPEARS TO BE AT LEAST A STEP IN THAT DIRECTION.
THIS APPEARS TO BE AT LEAST A STEP IN THAT DIRECTION.
FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS STEP IN THAT DIRECTION.
FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M TIM O'BRIEN FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M TIM O'BRIEN AT THE SUPREME COURT.
NEWSWEEKLY," I'M TIM O'BRIEN AT THE SUPREME COURT.
>> STRONGLY HELD DISAGREEMENTS AT THE SUPREME COURT.
>> STRONGLY HELD DISAGREEMENTS OVER GAY MARRIAGE ARE JUST AS >> STRONGLY HELD DISAGREEMENTS OVER GAY MARRIAGE ARE JUST AS PREVALENT, PERHAPS MORE SO, IN OVER GAY MARRIAGE ARE JUST AS PREVALENT, PERHAPS MORE SO, IN RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES AS THEY PREVALENT, PERHAPS MORE SO, IN RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES AS THEY ARE IN THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE, RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES AS THEY ARE IN THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE, AS KIM LAWTON REPORTS.
ARE IN THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE, AS KIM LAWTON REPORTS.
♪ AS KIM LAWTON REPORTS.
♪ >> Reporter: HOURS AFTER THE ♪ >> Reporter: HOURS AFTER THE SUPREME COURT'S SAME-SEX >> Reporter: HOURS AFTER THE SUPREME COURT'S SAME-SEX MARRIAGE DECISIONS WERE SUPREME COURT'S SAME-SEX MARRIAGE DECISIONS WERE ANNOUNCED, PEOPLE OF FAITH MARRIAGE DECISIONS WERE ANNOUNCED, PEOPLE OF FAITH GATHERED AT WASHINGTON'S ANNOUNCED, PEOPLE OF FAITH GATHERED AT WASHINGTON'S NATIONAL CATHEDRAL FOR A PRAYER GATHERED AT WASHINGTON'S NATIONAL CATHEDRAL FOR A PRAYER SERVICE OF THANKSGIVING AND NATIONAL CATHEDRAL FOR A PRAYER SERVICE OF THANKSGIVING AND CELEBRATION.
SERVICE OF THANKSGIVING AND CELEBRATION.
>> TODAY'S SUPREME COURT RULINGS CELEBRATION.
>> TODAY'S SUPREME COURT RULINGS ANNOUNCE A NEW ERA FOR OUR >> TODAY'S SUPREME COURT RULINGS ANNOUNCE A NEW ERA FOR OUR COUNTRY.
ANNOUNCE A NEW ERA FOR OUR COUNTRY.
IT'S AN ERA IN WHICH MARRIED COUNTRY.
IT'S AN ERA IN WHICH MARRIED GAY, LESBIAN, BISEXUAL, AND IT'S AN ERA IN WHICH MARRIED GAY, LESBIAN, BISEXUAL, AND TRANSGENDERED AMERICANS CAN GAY, LESBIAN, BISEXUAL, AND TRANSGENDERED AMERICANS CAN FINALLY ENJOY THE SAME FEDERAL TRANSGENDERED AMERICANS CAN FINALLY ENJOY THE SAME FEDERAL RECOGNITION AND PROTECTION THAT FINALLY ENJOY THE SAME FEDERAL RECOGNITION AND PROTECTION THAT OUR LAWS HAVE FOR SO LONG RECOGNITION AND PROTECTION THAT OUR LAWS HAVE FOR SO LONG EXTENDED TO THEIR FELLOW OUR LAWS HAVE FOR SO LONG EXTENDED TO THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS.
EXTENDED TO THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS.
>> Reporter: BUT FOR RELIGIOUS CITIZENS.
>> Reporter: BUT FOR RELIGIOUS OPPONENTS OF GAY MARRIAGE, IT >> Reporter: BUT FOR RELIGIOUS OPPONENTS OF GAY MARRIAGE, IT WAS A DAY OF DISAPPOINTMENT.
OPPONENTS OF GAY MARRIAGE, IT WAS A DAY OF DISAPPOINTMENT.
>> OUR CHURCHES ARE GOING TO WAS A DAY OF DISAPPOINTMENT.
>> OUR CHURCHES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE READY TO LIVE IN A >> OUR CHURCHES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE READY TO LIVE IN A WORLD IN WHICH WE CANNOT SIMPLY HAVE TO BE READY TO LIVE IN A WORLD IN WHICH WE CANNOT SIMPLY ASSUME A DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE WORLD IN WHICH WE CANNOT SIMPLY ASSUME A DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE AND FAMILY.
ASSUME A DEFINITION OF MARRIAGE AND FAMILY.
>> Reporter: ACCORDING TO THE AND FAMILY.
>> Reporter: ACCORDING TO THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER, SUPPORT FOR >> Reporter: ACCORDING TO THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER, SUPPORT FOR LEGAL RECOGNITION OF SAME-SEX PEW RESEARCH CENTER, SUPPORT FOR LEGAL RECOGNITION OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE CONTINUES TO GROW, LEGAL RECOGNITION OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE CONTINUES TO GROW, INCLUDING AMONG RELIGIOUS MARRIAGE CONTINUES TO GROW, INCLUDING AMONG RELIGIOUS AMERICANS.
INCLUDING AMONG RELIGIOUS AMERICANS.
ABOUT HALF OF CATHOLICS AND AMERICANS.
ABOUT HALF OF CATHOLICS AND WHITE MAINLINE PROTESTANTS NOW ABOUT HALF OF CATHOLICS AND WHITE MAINLINE PROTESTANTS NOW SAY THEY SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE.
WHITE MAINLINE PROTESTANTS NOW SAY THEY SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE.
BUT 42% OF ALL AMERICANS ARE SAY THEY SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE.
BUT 42% OF ALL AMERICANS ARE STILL OPPOSED IT, AND MUCH OF BUT 42% OF ALL AMERICANS ARE STILL OPPOSED IT, AND MUCH OF THE STRONGEST OPPOSITION IS STILL OPPOSED IT, AND MUCH OF THE STRONGEST OPPOSITION IS ROOTED IN RELIGION.
THE STRONGEST OPPOSITION IS ROOTED IN RELIGION.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHITE ROOTED IN RELIGION.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHITE EVANGELICALS AND BLACK THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHITE EVANGELICALS AND BLACK PROTESTANTS REMAIN FIRMLY EVANGELICALS AND BLACK PROTESTANTS REMAIN FIRMLY AGAINST ALLOWING GAYS AND PROTESTANTS REMAIN FIRMLY AGAINST ALLOWING GAYS AND LESBIANS TO MARRY.
AGAINST ALLOWING GAYS AND LESBIANS TO MARRY.
>> Reporter: REVEREND DENNIS LESBIANS TO MARRY.
>> Reporter: REVEREND DENNIS WILEY OF COVENANT BAPTIST UNITED >> Reporter: REVEREND DENNIS WILEY OF COVENANT BAPTIST UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST IS ONE OF WILEY OF COVENANT BAPTIST UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST IS ONE OF GROWING NUMBERS OF CLERGY WHO CHURCH OF CHRIST IS ONE OF GROWING NUMBERS OF CLERGY WHO SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE AS A MATTER GROWING NUMBERS OF CLERGY WHO SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE AS A MATTER OF JUSTICE.
SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE AS A MATTER OF JUSTICE.
>> STRAIGHT PEOPLE OF FAITH LIKE OF JUSTICE.
>> STRAIGHT PEOPLE OF FAITH LIKE MYSELF AND OTHERS WHO HAVE >> STRAIGHT PEOPLE OF FAITH LIKE MYSELF AND OTHERS WHO HAVE FOUGHT AND CONTINUED TO FIGHT AS MYSELF AND OTHERS WHO HAVE FOUGHT AND CONTINUED TO FIGHT AS ALLIES AND ADVOCATES ALONGSIDE FOUGHT AND CONTINUED TO FIGHT AS ALLIES AND ADVOCATES ALONGSIDE OUR LESBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL, AND ALLIES AND ADVOCATES ALONGSIDE OUR LESBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL, AND TRANSGENDER BROTHERS AND SISTERS OUR LESBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL, AND TRANSGENDER BROTHERS AND SISTERS HAVE BEEN VINDICATED FOR OUR TRANSGENDER BROTHERS AND SISTERS HAVE BEEN VINDICATED FOR OUR STEADFAST AND UNWAVERING SUPPORT HAVE BEEN VINDICATED FOR OUR STEADFAST AND UNWAVERING SUPPORT OF MARRIAGE EQUALITY.
STEADFAST AND UNWAVERING SUPPORT OF MARRIAGE EQUALITY.
>> Reporter: NATIONAL CATHEDRAL OF MARRIAGE EQUALITY.
>> Reporter: NATIONAL CATHEDRAL DEAN GARY HALL ANNOUNCED IN >> Reporter: NATIONAL CATHEDRAL DEAN GARY HALL ANNOUNCED IN JANUARY THAT THE CATHEDRAL WOULD DEAN GARY HALL ANNOUNCED IN JANUARY THAT THE CATHEDRAL WOULD WELCOME THE CELEBRATION OF JANUARY THAT THE CATHEDRAL WOULD WELCOME THE CELEBRATION OF SAME-SEX WEDDINGS.
WELCOME THE CELEBRATION OF SAME-SEX WEDDINGS.
>> I THINK THERE'S A GOOD SAME-SEX WEDDINGS.
>> I THINK THERE'S A GOOD BIBLICAL CASE TO BE MADE THAT >> I THINK THERE'S A GOOD BIBLICAL CASE TO BE MADE THAT GOD MADE HUMAN BEINGS IN GOD'S BIBLICAL CASE TO BE MADE THAT GOD MADE HUMAN BEINGS IN GOD'S IMAGE AND BLESSED HUMAN BEINGS GOD MADE HUMAN BEINGS IN GOD'S IMAGE AND BLESSED HUMAN BEINGS AND PRONOUNCED US GOOD.
IMAGE AND BLESSED HUMAN BEINGS AND PRONOUNCED US GOOD.
SO, WHOEVER WE ARE IN OUR SEXUAL AND PRONOUNCED US GOOD.
SO, WHOEVER WE ARE IN OUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION, WE ARE GOOD.
SO, WHOEVER WE ARE IN OUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION, WE ARE GOOD.
AND THEREFORE THE CHURCH NEEDS ORIENTATION, WE ARE GOOD.
AND THEREFORE THE CHURCH NEEDS ALSO TO MAKE THE SAME TOOLS FOR AND THEREFORE THE CHURCH NEEDS ALSO TO MAKE THE SAME TOOLS FOR LIVING THAT HAVE BEEN ALSO TO MAKE THE SAME TOOLS FOR LIVING THAT HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY AVAILABLE TO LIVING THAT HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY AVAILABLE TO HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES AVAILABLE HISTORICALLY AVAILABLE TO HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES AVAILABLE TO HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES AS WELL.
HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES AVAILABLE TO HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES AS WELL.
>> Reporter: HALL ACKNOWLEDGES TO HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES AS WELL.
>> Reporter: HALL ACKNOWLEDGES THAT MANY MAINLINE PROTESTANT >> Reporter: HALL ACKNOWLEDGES THAT MANY MAINLINE PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS ARE STILL THAT MANY MAINLINE PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS ARE STILL WRESTLING OVER THE ISSUE.
DENOMINATIONS ARE STILL WRESTLING OVER THE ISSUE.
ALTHOUGH HIS OWN DENOMINATION, WRESTLING OVER THE ISSUE.
ALTHOUGH HIS OWN DENOMINATION, THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH, HAS ALTHOUGH HIS OWN DENOMINATION, THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH, HAS APPROVED RITES TO BLESS SAME-SEX THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH, HAS APPROVED RITES TO BLESS SAME-SEX UNIONS THAT CAN BE ADAPTED TO APPROVED RITES TO BLESS SAME-SEX UNIONS THAT CAN BE ADAPTED TO USE IN WEDDINGS, IT OFFICIALLY UNIONS THAT CAN BE ADAPTED TO USE IN WEDDINGS, IT OFFICIALLY STILL DEFINES MARRIAGE AS USE IN WEDDINGS, IT OFFICIALLY STILL DEFINES MARRIAGE AS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.
STILL DEFINES MARRIAGE AS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.
MEANWHILE, RELIGIOUS OPPONENTS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.
MEANWHILE, RELIGIOUS OPPONENTS OF GAY MARRIAGE SAY NO COURT MEANWHILE, RELIGIOUS OPPONENTS OF GAY MARRIAGE SAY NO COURT DECISION OR POLL NUMBERS WILL OF GAY MARRIAGE SAY NO COURT DECISION OR POLL NUMBERS WILL SWAY THEIR POSITION.
DECISION OR POLL NUMBERS WILL SWAY THEIR POSITION.
>> WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE SWAY THEIR POSITION.
>> WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE STATE CREATED MARRIAGE.
>> WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE STATE CREATED MARRIAGE.
MARRIAGE DID NOT COME ABOUT STATE CREATED MARRIAGE.
MARRIAGE DID NOT COME ABOUT THROUGH A LEGISLATIVE ACT OR MARRIAGE DID NOT COME ABOUT THROUGH A LEGISLATIVE ACT OR THROUGH A COURT EDICT, SO NO THROUGH A LEGISLATIVE ACT OR THROUGH A COURT EDICT, SO NO GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT OR NO THROUGH A COURT EDICT, SO NO GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT OR NO SUPREME COURT JUSTICE HAS THE GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT OR NO SUPREME COURT JUSTICE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO RE-DEFINE MARRIAGE.
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO RE-DEFINE MARRIAGE.
MARRIAGE IS DESIGNED BY GOD AND AUTHORITY TO RE-DEFINE MARRIAGE.
MARRIAGE IS DESIGNED BY GOD AND EMBEDDED IN NATURE AND IS BEYOND MARRIAGE IS DESIGNED BY GOD AND EMBEDDED IN NATURE AND IS BEYOND THE REACH OF THE STATE.
EMBEDDED IN NATURE AND IS BEYOND THE REACH OF THE STATE.
>> Reporter: RUSSELL MOORE IS THE REACH OF THE STATE.
>> Reporter: RUSSELL MOORE IS PRESIDENT OF THE ETHICS AND >> Reporter: RUSSELL MOORE IS PRESIDENT OF THE ETHICS AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY COMMISSION OF PRESIDENT OF THE ETHICS AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY COMMISSION OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION.
RELIGIOUS LIBERTY COMMISSION OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION.
HE SAYS HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION.
HE SAYS HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THE COURT'S DECISIONS MAY HE SAYS HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THE COURT'S DECISIONS MAY LEAD.
WHERE THE COURT'S DECISIONS MAY LEAD.
>> ALL OF US AGREE THAT THERE LEAD.
>> ALL OF US AGREE THAT THERE ARE LIMITS ON HOW WE DEFINE >> ALL OF US AGREE THAT THERE ARE LIMITS ON HOW WE DEFINE MARRIAGE.
ARE LIMITS ON HOW WE DEFINE MARRIAGE.
ALL OF US RIGHT NOW IN AMERICAN MARRIAGE.
ALL OF US RIGHT NOW IN AMERICAN CULTURE AGREE THAT A MARRIAGE IS ALL OF US RIGHT NOW IN AMERICAN CULTURE AGREE THAT A MARRIAGE IS LIMITED TO TWO PEOPLE, UH, ALL CULTURE AGREE THAT A MARRIAGE IS LIMITED TO TWO PEOPLE, UH, ALL OF US AGREE THAT, UH, MARRIAGE LIMITED TO TWO PEOPLE, UH, ALL OF US AGREE THAT, UH, MARRIAGE IS A VOLUNTARY, UH, ARRANGEMENT.
OF US AGREE THAT, UH, MARRIAGE IS A VOLUNTARY, UH, ARRANGEMENT.
WE ALL AGREE ON CERTAIN IS A VOLUNTARY, UH, ARRANGEMENT.
WE ALL AGREE ON CERTAIN LIMITATIONS WITH MARRIAGE.
WE ALL AGREE ON CERTAIN LIMITATIONS WITH MARRIAGE.
THE QUESTIONS IS, WHAT NOW?
LIMITATIONS WITH MARRIAGE.
THE QUESTIONS IS, WHAT NOW?
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
THE QUESTIONS IS, WHAT NOW?
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
>> Reporter: HE AND MANY OTHER WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
>> Reporter: HE AND MANY OTHER CONSERVATIVES BELIEVE THE >> Reporter: HE AND MANY OTHER CONSERVATIVES BELIEVE THE RULINGS WILL BURDEN THE CONSERVATIVES BELIEVE THE RULINGS WILL BURDEN THE RELIGIOUS LIBERTY OF THOSE WHO RULINGS WILL BURDEN THE RELIGIOUS LIBERTY OF THOSE WHO OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE.
RELIGIOUS LIBERTY OF THOSE WHO OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE.
KIM DANIELS IS AN ATTORNEY AND OPPOSE GAY MARRIAGE.
KIM DANIELS IS AN ATTORNEY AND SPOKESPERSON FOR THE PRESIDENT KIM DANIELS IS AN ATTORNEY AND SPOKESPERSON FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. CONFERENCE OF SPOKESPERSON FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. CONFERENCE OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS, CARDINAL OF THE U.S. CONFERENCE OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS, CARDINAL TIMOTHY DOLAN.
CATHOLIC BISHOPS, CARDINAL TIMOTHY DOLAN.
>> IT COULD LEAD TO THE LOSS OF TIMOTHY DOLAN.
>> IT COULD LEAD TO THE LOSS OF GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS AND >> IT COULD LEAD TO THE LOSS OF GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS AND BENEFITS FOR THOSE WHO UPHOLD GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS AND BENEFITS FOR THOSE WHO UPHOLD THE TRUTH OF MARRIAGE AS THE BENEFITS FOR THOSE WHO UPHOLD THE TRUTH OF MARRIAGE AS THE UNION OF A MAN AND A WOMAN.
THE TRUTH OF MARRIAGE AS THE UNION OF A MAN AND A WOMAN.
IT COULD LEAD TO THE LOSS OF UNION OF A MAN AND A WOMAN.
IT COULD LEAD TO THE LOSS OF PROFESSIONAL LICENSING OR IT COULD LEAD TO THE LOSS OF PROFESSIONAL LICENSING OR INSTITUTIONAL ACCREDITATION.
PROFESSIONAL LICENSING OR INSTITUTIONAL ACCREDITATION.
PEOPLE COULD FACE INSTITUTIONAL ACCREDITATION.
PEOPLE COULD FACE ANTI-DISCRIMINATION SUITS PEOPLE COULD FACE ANTI-DISCRIMINATION SUITS BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO GIVE UP ANTI-DISCRIMINATION SUITS BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO GIVE UP THEIR BELIEFS THAT MARRIAGE IS BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO GIVE UP THEIR BELIEFS THAT MARRIAGE IS THE UNION OF A MAN AND A WOMAN.
THEIR BELIEFS THAT MARRIAGE IS THE UNION OF A MAN AND A WOMAN.
>> Reporter: BUT SHE SAYS, THE THE UNION OF A MAN AND A WOMAN.
>> Reporter: BUT SHE SAYS, THE BATTLE ISN'T OVER.
>> Reporter: BUT SHE SAYS, THE BATTLE ISN'T OVER.
>> THIS HAS REALLY ENERGIZED THE BATTLE ISN'T OVER.
>> THIS HAS REALLY ENERGIZED THE MOVEMENT FOR MARRIAGE >> THIS HAS REALLY ENERGIZED THE MOVEMENT FOR MARRIAGE REDEFINITION AND AT THE SAME MOVEMENT FOR MARRIAGE REDEFINITION AND AT THE SAME TIME IT'S ENERGIZED THOSE OF US REDEFINITION AND AT THE SAME TIME IT'S ENERGIZED THOSE OF US WHO BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE AS THE TIME IT'S ENERGIZED THOSE OF US WHO BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE AS THE UNION OF A MAN AND A WOMAN FOR WHO BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE AS THE UNION OF A MAN AND A WOMAN FOR THE SAKE OF THEIR CHILDREN, IS UNION OF A MAN AND A WOMAN FOR THE SAKE OF THEIR CHILDREN, IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMMON THE SAKE OF THEIR CHILDREN, IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMMON GOOD OF OUR COUNTRY.
AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMMON GOOD OF OUR COUNTRY.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'LL CONTINUE GOOD OF OUR COUNTRY.
AND I KNOW THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS AND I KNOW THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS CONVERSATION, BECAUSE CATHOLICS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS CONVERSATION, BECAUSE CATHOLICS WITNESS TO THE JOY OF OUR CONVERSATION, BECAUSE CATHOLICS WITNESS TO THE JOY OF OUR TEACHINGS ON MARRIAGE AND WITNESS TO THE JOY OF OUR TEACHINGS ON MARRIAGE AND FAMILY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING TEACHINGS ON MARRIAGE AND FAMILY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO.
FAMILY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO.
>> Reporter: MOORE SAYS HE'S WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO.
>> Reporter: MOORE SAYS HE'S URGING HIS COMMUNITY TO TAKE THE >> Reporter: MOORE SAYS HE'S URGING HIS COMMUNITY TO TAKE THE LONG VIEW.
URGING HIS COMMUNITY TO TAKE THE LONG VIEW.
>> WE NEED TO BE WINSOME, LONG VIEW.
>> WE NEED TO BE WINSOME, PROPHETIC, SPEAK TO THE OUTSIDE >> WE NEED TO BE WINSOME, PROPHETIC, SPEAK TO THE OUTSIDE CULTURE AND LOVING IN PERSUASIVE PROPHETIC, SPEAK TO THE OUTSIDE CULTURE AND LOVING IN PERSUASIVE WAYS AND ALSO TRAIN UP CULTURE AND LOVING IN PERSUASIVE WAYS AND ALSO TRAIN UP COUNTER-CULTURAL COMMUNITIES WAYS AND ALSO TRAIN UP COUNTER-CULTURAL COMMUNITIES THAT HONOR MARRIAGE AND KEEP OUR COUNTER-CULTURAL COMMUNITIES THAT HONOR MARRIAGE AND KEEP OUR MARRIAGES TOGETHER AND CULTIVATE THAT HONOR MARRIAGE AND KEEP OUR MARRIAGES TOGETHER AND CULTIVATE HEALTHY MARRIAGES IN THE FUTURE.
MARRIAGES TOGETHER AND CULTIVATE HEALTHY MARRIAGES IN THE FUTURE.
>> Reporter: RELIGIOUS ADVOCATES HEALTHY MARRIAGES IN THE FUTURE.
>> Reporter: RELIGIOUS ADVOCATES OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE ARE ALSO >> Reporter: RELIGIOUS ADVOCATES OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE ARE ALSO PROMISING TO RAMP UP THEIR OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE ARE ALSO PROMISING TO RAMP UP THEIR GRASSROOTS EFFORTS.
PROMISING TO RAMP UP THEIR GRASSROOTS EFFORTS.
>> I THINK THE FAITH COMMUNITY GRASSROOTS EFFORTS.
>> I THINK THE FAITH COMMUNITY CAN DO A LOT OF WORK STATE BY >> I THINK THE FAITH COMMUNITY CAN DO A LOT OF WORK STATE BY STATE TO ADVANCE MARRIAGE CAN DO A LOT OF WORK STATE BY STATE TO ADVANCE MARRIAGE EQUALITY, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE STATE TO ADVANCE MARRIAGE EQUALITY, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE GAY AND LESBIAN FOLKS IN EQUALITY, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE GAY AND LESBIAN FOLKS IN THEIR OWN CONGREGATIONS COME TO SEE GAY AND LESBIAN FOLKS IN THEIR OWN CONGREGATIONS COME FORWARD AND PRESS THEIR FAITH THEIR OWN CONGREGATIONS COME FORWARD AND PRESS THEIR FAITH COMMUNITIES TO EXTEND MARRIAGE FORWARD AND PRESS THEIR FAITH COMMUNITIES TO EXTEND MARRIAGE EQUALITY THEMSELVES.
COMMUNITIES TO EXTEND MARRIAGE EQUALITY THEMSELVES.
>> Reporter: GIVEN THE DEPTH OF EQUALITY THEMSELVES.
>> Reporter: GIVEN THE DEPTH OF FEELINGS ON BOTH SIDES, THE >> Reporter: GIVEN THE DEPTH OF FEELINGS ON BOTH SIDES, THE CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE FOR A FEELINGS ON BOTH SIDES, THE CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.
CONVERSATION WILL CONTINUE FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.
>> KIM AND TIM ARE BOTH HERE.
LONG TIME TO COME.
>> KIM AND TIM ARE BOTH HERE.
WELCOME.
>> KIM AND TIM ARE BOTH HERE.
WELCOME.
TIM, LET ME START WITH YOU.
WELCOME.
TIM, LET ME START WITH YOU.
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE, TIM, LET ME START WITH YOU.
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE, ESPECIALLY IN CALIFORNIA?
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE, ESPECIALLY IN CALIFORNIA?
>> WELL, IN CALIFORNIA, I THINK ESPECIALLY IN CALIFORNIA?
>> WELL, IN CALIFORNIA, I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE GAYS AND >> WELL, IN CALIFORNIA, I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE GAYS AND LESBIANS GOING TO GET THEIR YOU ARE GOING TO SEE GAYS AND LESBIANS GOING TO GET THEIR MARRIAGE LICENSES.
LESBIANS GOING TO GET THEIR MARRIAGE LICENSES.
IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN TONIGHT BUT MARRIAGE LICENSES.
IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN TONIGHT BUT IT WON'T BE LONG.
IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN TONIGHT BUT IT WON'T BE LONG.
THE COURT CLEARED THE WAY FOR IT WON'T BE LONG.
THE COURT CLEARED THE WAY FOR THAT IN ALLOWING A DISTRICT THE COURT CLEARED THE WAY FOR THAT IN ALLOWING A DISTRICT COURT DECISION TO STAND, THAT IN ALLOWING A DISTRICT COURT DECISION TO STAND, THROWING OUT PROP 8, COURT DECISION TO STAND, THROWING OUT PROP 8, CALIFORNIA'S BAN ON SAME-SEX THROWING OUT PROP 8, CALIFORNIA'S BAN ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
CALIFORNIA'S BAN ON SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.
>> AND WHAT DID YOU SEE IN THE MARRIAGE.
>> AND WHAT DID YOU SEE IN THE VOTES IN THE COURT THAT WOULD >> AND WHAT DID YOU SEE IN THE VOTES IN THE COURT THAT WOULD LEAD YOU IN THAT DIRECTION?
VOTES IN THE COURT THAT WOULD LEAD YOU IN THAT DIRECTION?
>> WELL, THE VOTE IN THE COURT LEAD YOU IN THAT DIRECTION?
>> WELL, THE VOTE IN THE COURT ON THAT CASE, ON THE PROP >> WELL, THE VOTE IN THE COURT ON THAT CASE, ON THE PROP 8 CASE, WAS PURELY ON ON THAT CASE, ON THE PROP 8 CASE, WAS PURELY ON JURISDICTIONAL GROUNDS.
8 CASE, WAS PURELY ON JURISDICTIONAL GROUNDS.
THE VOTE ON THE DOMA CASE, THE JURISDICTIONAL GROUNDS.
THE VOTE ON THE DOMA CASE, THE DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT, WAS THE VOTE ON THE DOMA CASE, THE DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT, WAS VERY INTERESTING.
DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT, WAS VERY INTERESTING.
YOU HAD FIVE JUSTICES SAYING VERY INTERESTING.
YOU HAD FIVE JUSTICES SAYING THAT THIS DENIES GAYS AND YOU HAD FIVE JUSTICES SAYING THAT THIS DENIES GAYS AND LESBIANS EQUALITY AND LIBERTY THAT THIS DENIES GAYS AND LESBIANS EQUALITY AND LIBERTY GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION.
LESBIANS EQUALITY AND LIBERTY GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION.
AND I THINK THAT SAYS AN AWFUL GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION.
AND I THINK THAT SAYS AN AWFUL LOT BECAUSE THAT WILL CARRY DOWN AND I THINK THAT SAYS AN AWFUL LOT BECAUSE THAT WILL CARRY DOWN THE ROAD IN OTHER CASES.
LOT BECAUSE THAT WILL CARRY DOWN THE ROAD IN OTHER CASES.
I THINK THIS MAY BE A PRECURSOR THE ROAD IN OTHER CASES.
I THINK THIS MAY BE A PRECURSOR FOR A RULING THAT SAYS ANY I THINK THIS MAY BE A PRECURSOR FOR A RULING THAT SAYS ANY DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SEXUAL FOR A RULING THAT SAYS ANY DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION BY THE STATE IS DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SEXUAL ORIENTATION BY THE STATE IS SUSPECT AND WILL ONLY BE UPHELD ORIENTATION BY THE STATE IS SUSPECT AND WILL ONLY BE UPHELD IN EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
SUSPECT AND WILL ONLY BE UPHELD IN EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
>> AND 37 OR 38 STATES NOW SAY IN EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
>> AND 37 OR 38 STATES NOW SAY NO WAY ON GAY MARRIAGE.
>> AND 37 OR 38 STATES NOW SAY NO WAY ON GAY MARRIAGE.
>> AND THAT WILL STAND TODAY.
NO WAY ON GAY MARRIAGE.
>> AND THAT WILL STAND TODAY.
WHETHER IT STANDS TOMORROW IS AN >> AND THAT WILL STAND TODAY.
WHETHER IT STANDS TOMORROW IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT QUESTION.
WHETHER IT STANDS TOMORROW IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT QUESTION.
>> OKAY.
ENTIRELY DIFFERENT QUESTION.
>> OKAY.
>> AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS HEARING >> OKAY.
>> AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS HEARING A LOT THIS WEEK, THAT THIS CASE >> AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS HEARING A LOT THIS WEEK, THAT THIS CASE REALLY GALVANIZED BOTH SIDES IN A LOT THIS WEEK, THAT THIS CASE REALLY GALVANIZED BOTH SIDES IN THE FAITH COMMUNITY ON THIS REALLY GALVANIZED BOTH SIDES IN THE FAITH COMMUNITY ON THIS DEBATE.
THE FAITH COMMUNITY ON THIS DEBATE.
IT GAVE NEW ENERGY TO PROPONENTS DEBATE.
IT GAVE NEW ENERGY TO PROPONENTS OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE TO SAY WE IT GAVE NEW ENERGY TO PROPONENTS OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE TO SAY WE CAN GO INTO THESE LOCAL STATES OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE TO SAY WE CAN GO INTO THESE LOCAL STATES THAT BAN IT AND MAKE AN ARGUMENT CAN GO INTO THESE LOCAL STATES THAT BAN IT AND MAKE AN ARGUMENT TO HAVE THOSE BANS OVERTURNED.
THAT BAN IT AND MAKE AN ARGUMENT TO HAVE THOSE BANS OVERTURNED.
AND AMONG THE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE TO HAVE THOSE BANS OVERTURNED.
AND AMONG THE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST SAME-SEX AND AMONG THE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WHO ARE AGAINST SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, THEY SAID THIS GIVES WHO ARE AGAINST SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, THEY SAID THIS GIVES THEM THE ENERGY TO MAINTAIN AND MARRIAGE, THEY SAID THIS GIVES THEM THE ENERGY TO MAINTAIN AND TO KEEP THEIR POSITION OUT THEM THE ENERGY TO MAINTAIN AND TO KEEP THEIR POSITION OUT THERE.
TO KEEP THEIR POSITION OUT THERE.
>> ENERGY ON BOTH SIDES, THERE.
>> ENERGY ON BOTH SIDES, GROUNDED IN BIBLICAL TRADITION.
>> ENERGY ON BOTH SIDES, GROUNDED IN BIBLICAL TRADITION.
>> RIGHT.
GROUNDED IN BIBLICAL TRADITION.
>> RIGHT.
FOR THE RELIGIOUS OPPONENTS OF >> RIGHT.
FOR THE RELIGIOUS OPPONENTS OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, THEY VERY FOR THE RELIGIOUS OPPONENTS OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, THEY VERY MUCH LOOK TO THE BIBLE.
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, THEY VERY MUCH LOOK TO THE BIBLE.
THEY BELIEVE GOD ORDAINED MUCH LOOK TO THE BIBLE.
THEY BELIEVE GOD ORDAINED MARRIAGE AS BETWEEN A MAN AND A THEY BELIEVE GOD ORDAINED MARRIAGE AS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN, THAT IT -- AND MARRIAGE AS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN, THAT IT -- AND PROCREATION IS TIED UP IN THAT, WOMAN, THAT IT -- AND PROCREATION IS TIED UP IN THAT, THAT IT SYMBOLIZES IN THE PROCREATION IS TIED UP IN THAT, THAT IT SYMBOLIZES IN THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY JESUS'S THAT IT SYMBOLIZES IN THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY JESUS'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHURCH.
CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY JESUS'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHURCH.
SO THERE ARE VERY DEEPLY HELD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHURCH.
SO THERE ARE VERY DEEPLY HELD THEOLOGICAL REASONS WHY THEY SO THERE ARE VERY DEEPLY HELD THEOLOGICAL REASONS WHY THEY HOLD THOSE POSITIONS.
THEOLOGICAL REASONS WHY THEY HOLD THOSE POSITIONS.
AND FOR THE RELIGIOUS PROPONENTS HOLD THOSE POSITIONS.
AND FOR THE RELIGIOUS PROPONENTS OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, THEY SAY AND FOR THE RELIGIOUS PROPONENTS OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, THEY SAY WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE BIBLE THEY OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, THEY SAY WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE BIBLE THEY SEE AN EVOLVING VIEW OF WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE BIBLE THEY SEE AN EVOLVING VIEW OF MARRIAGE, AND THEY ALSO POINT TO SEE AN EVOLVING VIEW OF MARRIAGE, AND THEY ALSO POINT TO BIBLICAL VALUES LIKE JUSTICE AND MARRIAGE, AND THEY ALSO POINT TO BIBLICAL VALUES LIKE JUSTICE AND SAY COMPASSION AND JUSTICE BIBLICAL VALUES LIKE JUSTICE AND SAY COMPASSION AND JUSTICE SHOULD BE AT PLAY HERE.
SAY COMPASSION AND JUSTICE SHOULD BE AT PLAY HERE.
>> DID YOU SENSE, TIM, JUST A SHOULD BE AT PLAY HERE.
>> DID YOU SENSE, TIM, JUST A SECOND, DID YOU SENSE A MOMENTUM >> DID YOU SENSE, TIM, JUST A SECOND, DID YOU SENSE A MOMENTUM IN THE DIRECTION OF ACCEPTING SECOND, DID YOU SENSE A MOMENTUM IN THE DIRECTION OF ACCEPTING GAY MARRIAGE WITHIN THE IN THE DIRECTION OF ACCEPTING GAY MARRIAGE WITHIN THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES?
GAY MARRIAGE WITHIN THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES?
>> WELL, CERTAINLY THE ADVOCATES RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES?
>> WELL, CERTAINLY THE ADVOCATES FEEL THAT THEIR POSITION HAS >> WELL, CERTAINLY THE ADVOCATES FEEL THAT THEIR POSITION HAS BEEN VINDICATED, BUT EVEN AMONG FEEL THAT THEIR POSITION HAS BEEN VINDICATED, BUT EVEN AMONG RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES AND BEEN VINDICATED, BUT EVEN AMONG RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES AND OPPONENTS OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES AND OPPONENTS OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, POLLS SHOW THEY SAY EVEN THOUGH OPPONENTS OF SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, POLLS SHOW THEY SAY EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T LIKE IT, IT'S POLLS SHOW THEY SAY EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T LIKE IT, IT'S PROBABLY INEVITABLE THAT IT IS THEY DON'T LIKE IT, IT'S PROBABLY INEVITABLE THAT IT IS HERE AND IT WILL HAPPEN.
PROBABLY INEVITABLE THAT IT IS HERE AND IT WILL HAPPEN.
>> TIM, WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO HERE AND IT WILL HAPPEN.
>> TIM, WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO SAY?
>> TIM, WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO SAY?
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, YOU WERE SAY?
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BIBLICAL >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BIBLICAL REFERENCES.
TALKING ABOUT THE BIBLICAL REFERENCES.
WELL, ONE OF THE LOWER COURT REFERENCES.
WELL, ONE OF THE LOWER COURT JUDGES IN THE DOMA CASE POINTED WELL, ONE OF THE LOWER COURT JUDGES IN THE DOMA CASE POINTED OUT THIS IS A CIVIL ACTION AND JUDGES IN THE DOMA CASE POINTED OUT THIS IS A CIVIL ACTION AND IF YOU WANT TO SANCTIFY MARRIAGE OUT THIS IS A CIVIL ACTION AND IF YOU WANT TO SANCTIFY MARRIAGE YOU JUST HAVE TO GO TO A HIGHER IF YOU WANT TO SANCTIFY MARRIAGE YOU JUST HAVE TO GO TO A HIGHER COURT.
YOU JUST HAVE TO GO TO A HIGHER COURT.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING COURT.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THOUGH THIS, THE DOMA >> IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THOUGH THIS, THE DOMA RULING IS INTERPRETED, HOW IT'S TO SEE HOW THOUGH THIS, THE DOMA RULING IS INTERPRETED, HOW IT'S IMPLEMENTED IN TERMS OF BENEFITS RULING IS INTERPRETED, HOW IT'S IMPLEMENTED IN TERMS OF BENEFITS AND THE PRESIDENT AND OTHERS IMPLEMENTED IN TERMS OF BENEFITS AND THE PRESIDENT AND OTHERS THIS WEEK SAID THERE WILL BE AND THE PRESIDENT AND OTHERS THIS WEEK SAID THERE WILL BE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOR PEOPLE WHO THIS WEEK SAID THERE WILL BE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOR PEOPLE WHO HOLD A VIEW AGAINST GAY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOR PEOPLE WHO HOLD A VIEW AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE, BUT I HEARD A LOT OF HOLD A VIEW AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE, BUT I HEARD A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT RELIGIOUS LIBERTY MARRIAGE, BUT I HEARD A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT RELIGIOUS LIBERTY ISSUES FOR PEOPLE WHO HOLD THAT CONCERN ABOUT RELIGIOUS LIBERTY ISSUES FOR PEOPLE WHO HOLD THAT POSITION AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO ISSUES FOR PEOPLE WHO HOLD THAT POSITION AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO GET WORKED OUT IN TERMS OF POSITION AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO GET WORKED OUT IN TERMS OF FEDERAL CONTRACTS, IN TERMS OF GET WORKED OUT IN TERMS OF FEDERAL CONTRACTS, IN TERMS OF TAX EXEMPTION, AND IS IT JUST FEDERAL CONTRACTS, IN TERMS OF TAX EXEMPTION, AND IS IT JUST RELIGIOUS CONGREGATIONS, TAX EXEMPTION, AND IS IT JUST RELIGIOUS CONGREGATIONS, CHURCHES, THAT WOULD BE EXEMPT RELIGIOUS CONGREGATIONS, CHURCHES, THAT WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM HAVING TO GO ALONG OR WHAT CHURCHES, THAT WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM HAVING TO GO ALONG OR WHAT ABOUT FAITH-BASED INSTITUTIONS, FROM HAVING TO GO ALONG OR WHAT ABOUT FAITH-BASED INSTITUTIONS, SO I THINK A LOT OF LEGAL ABOUT FAITH-BASED INSTITUTIONS, SO I THINK A LOT OF LEGAL WRANGLING YET TO DO.
SO I THINK A LOT OF LEGAL WRANGLING YET TO DO.
>> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, YOU WRANGLING YET TO DO.
>> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, YOU BOTH THINK THIS OPENS THE DOOR >> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, YOU BOTH THINK THIS OPENS THE DOOR TO A LOT MORE COURT ACTION?
BOTH THINK THIS OPENS THE DOOR TO A LOT MORE COURT ACTION?
>> LANDMARK DECISIONS, YOU DON'T TO A LOT MORE COURT ACTION?
>> LANDMARK DECISIONS, YOU DON'T GET MANY OF THEM, BUT LANDMARK >> LANDMARK DECISIONS, YOU DON'T GET MANY OF THEM, BUT LANDMARK DECISIONS LIKE THE DOMA DECISION GET MANY OF THEM, BUT LANDMARK DECISIONS LIKE THE DOMA DECISION ALWAYS RAISES MORE QUESTIONS DECISIONS LIKE THE DOMA DECISION ALWAYS RAISES MORE QUESTIONS THAN IT ANSWERS.
ALWAYS RAISES MORE QUESTIONS THAN IT ANSWERS.
>> TIM, BEFORE WE GO, THAN IT ANSWERS.
>> TIM, BEFORE WE GO, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, WHERE, >> TIM, BEFORE WE GO, AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, WHERE, QUICKLY, WHERE DOES THAT STAND AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, WHERE, QUICKLY, WHERE DOES THAT STAND NOW?
QUICKLY, WHERE DOES THAT STAND NOW?
>> WELL, ABOUT WHERE IT STOOD NOW?
>> WELL, ABOUT WHERE IT STOOD TEN YEARS AGO.
>> WELL, ABOUT WHERE IT STOOD TEN YEARS AGO.
THAT IT IS SUSPECT, RACIAL TEN YEARS AGO.
THAT IT IS SUSPECT, RACIAL CONSIDERATIONS MAY BE ALLOWED IN THAT IT IS SUSPECT, RACIAL CONSIDERATIONS MAY BE ALLOWED IN UNIVERSITY ADMISSIONS POLICIES, CONSIDERATIONS MAY BE ALLOWED IN UNIVERSITY ADMISSIONS POLICIES, IN THIS CASE ONLY INVOLVED UNIVERSITY ADMISSIONS POLICIES, IN THIS CASE ONLY INVOLVED UNIVERSITIES, NOT THE EMPLOYMENT IN THIS CASE ONLY INVOLVED UNIVERSITIES, NOT THE EMPLOYMENT SECTOR.
UNIVERSITIES, NOT THE EMPLOYMENT SECTOR.
AND IF THERE'S A WAY OF GETTING SECTOR.
AND IF THERE'S A WAY OF GETTING THE DIVERSITY THAT UNIVERSITY AND IF THERE'S A WAY OF GETTING THE DIVERSITY THAT UNIVERSITY OFFICIALS WANT THAT IS RACE THE DIVERSITY THAT UNIVERSITY OFFICIALS WANT THAT IS RACE NEUTRAL, YOU GOT TO CONSIDER OFFICIALS WANT THAT IS RACE NEUTRAL, YOU GOT TO CONSIDER THAT FIRST.
NEUTRAL, YOU GOT TO CONSIDER THAT FIRST.
>> AND VOTING RIGHTS?
THAT FIRST.
>> AND VOTING RIGHTS?
>> WELL, THE COURT TOOK A SHOT >> AND VOTING RIGHTS?
>> WELL, THE COURT TOOK A SHOT AT A SACRED COW, THE 1965 VOTING >> WELL, THE COURT TOOK A SHOT AT A SACRED COW, THE 1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT, FINDING IT WAS AT A SACRED COW, THE 1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT, FINDING IT WAS REALLY AN ANACHRONISM, AND THE RIGHTS ACT, FINDING IT WAS REALLY AN ANACHRONISM, AND THE COURT'S CORRECT IN THAT THE REALLY AN ANACHRONISM, AND THE COURT'S CORRECT IN THAT THE PROBLEMS THAT THE COUNTRY WAS COURT'S CORRECT IN THAT THE PROBLEMS THAT THE COUNTRY WAS ADDRESSING BACK IN 1965, THE PROBLEMS THAT THE COUNTRY WAS ADDRESSING BACK IN 1965, THE DISCRIMINATION BACK THEN BEARS ADDRESSING BACK IN 1965, THE DISCRIMINATION BACK THEN BEARS NO RESEMBLANCE TO THE WORLD WE DISCRIMINATION BACK THEN BEARS NO RESEMBLANCE TO THE WORLD WE LIVE IN TODAY, YET NO NO RESEMBLANCE TO THE WORLD WE LIVE IN TODAY, YET NO LEGISLATION HAS DONE MORE FOR LIVE IN TODAY, YET NO LEGISLATION HAS DONE MORE FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS THAN THE LEGISLATION HAS DONE MORE FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS THAN THE 1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT SO AFRICAN AMERICANS THAN THE 1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT SO ANYTHING THAT DILUTES THAT LAW 1965 VOTING RIGHTS ACT SO ANYTHING THAT DILUTES THAT LAW IS OF COURSE VERY CONTROVERSIAL.
ANYTHING THAT DILUTES THAT LAW IS OF COURSE VERY CONTROVERSIAL.
>> AND AMONG RELIGIOUS, IS OF COURSE VERY CONTROVERSIAL.
>> AND AMONG RELIGIOUS, ESPECIALLY MODERATES AND >> AND AMONG RELIGIOUS, ESPECIALLY MODERATES AND LIBERALS AND BLACK PROTESTANTS ESPECIALLY MODERATES AND LIBERALS AND BLACK PROTESTANTS THIS WEEK I HEARD A LOT OF LIBERALS AND BLACK PROTESTANTS THIS WEEK I HEARD A LOT OF SADNESS ABOUT THE VOTING RIGHTS THIS WEEK I HEARD A LOT OF SADNESS ABOUT THE VOTING RIGHTS DECISION, PRECISELY I THINK SADNESS ABOUT THE VOTING RIGHTS DECISION, PRECISELY I THINK BECAUSE OF THE SYMBOLIC NATURE DECISION, PRECISELY I THINK BECAUSE OF THE SYMBOLIC NATURE OF IT.
BECAUSE OF THE SYMBOLIC NATURE OF IT.
>> IT IS VERY SYMBOLIC AND I OF IT.
>> IT IS VERY SYMBOLIC AND I THINK THE DAMAGE MAY BE MORE >> IT IS VERY SYMBOLIC AND I THINK THE DAMAGE MAY BE MORE SYMBOLIC THAN REAL.
THINK THE DAMAGE MAY BE MORE SYMBOLIC THAN REAL.
>> TIM, KIM, MANY THANKS TO YOU SYMBOLIC THAN REAL.
>> TIM, KIM, MANY THANKS TO YOU BOTH.
>> TIM, KIM, MANY THANKS TO YOU BOTH.
>>> IN OTHER NEWS, RELIGIOUS BOTH.
>>> IN OTHER NEWS, RELIGIOUS LEADERS APPLAUDED THE U.S. >>> IN OTHER NEWS, RELIGIOUS LEADERS APPLAUDED THE U.S. SENATE THIS WEEK FOR PASSING A LEADERS APPLAUDED THE U.S. SENATE THIS WEEK FOR PASSING A COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION BILL, SENATE THIS WEEK FOR PASSING A COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION BILL, WHICH INCLUDES A PATHWAY TO COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION BILL, WHICH INCLUDES A PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP FOR THE 11 MILLION WHICH INCLUDES A PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP FOR THE 11 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED NOW IN THE COUNTRY.
CITIZENSHIP FOR THE 11 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED NOW IN THE COUNTRY.
FAITH GROUPS, INCLUDING MANY UNDOCUMENTED NOW IN THE COUNTRY.
FAITH GROUPS, INCLUDING MANY EVANGELICALS, HAVE BEEN LOBBYING FAITH GROUPS, INCLUDING MANY EVANGELICALS, HAVE BEEN LOBBYING HARD FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM, EVANGELICALS, HAVE BEEN LOBBYING HARD FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM, CALLING IT A MORAL ISSUE.
HARD FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM, CALLING IT A MORAL ISSUE.
THEY ARE NOW URGING THE HOUSE OF CALLING IT A MORAL ISSUE.
THEY ARE NOW URGING THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO TAKE UP AND THEY ARE NOW URGING THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES TO TAKE UP AND PASS AN IMMIGRATION BILL.
REPRESENTATIVES TO TAKE UP AND PASS AN IMMIGRATION BILL.
>>> A RECENTLY-SUSPENDED VATICAN PASS AN IMMIGRATION BILL.
>>> A RECENTLY-SUSPENDED VATICAN ACCOUNTANT, A PRIEST, WAS >>> A RECENTLY-SUSPENDED VATICAN ACCOUNTANT, A PRIEST, WAS ARRESTED IN ITALY THIS WEEK FOR ACCOUNTANT, A PRIEST, WAS ARRESTED IN ITALY THIS WEEK FOR ALLEGEDLY BRINGING $26 MILLION ARRESTED IN ITALY THIS WEEK FOR ALLEGEDLY BRINGING $26 MILLION INTO HIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.
ALLEGEDLY BRINGING $26 MILLION INTO HIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.
HE WAS ALREADY UNDER INTO HIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.
HE WAS ALREADY UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR CHARGES OF HE WAS ALREADY UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR CHARGES OF LAUNDERING MONEY THROUGH HIS INVESTIGATION FOR CHARGES OF LAUNDERING MONEY THROUGH HIS ACCOUNT AT THE VATICAN BANK.
LAUNDERING MONEY THROUGH HIS ACCOUNT AT THE VATICAN BANK.
HIS ARREST CAME JUST DAYS AFTER ACCOUNT AT THE VATICAN BANK.
HIS ARREST CAME JUST DAYS AFTER POPE FRANCIS APPOINTED A HIS ARREST CAME JUST DAYS AFTER POPE FRANCIS APPOINTED A COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE POPE FRANCIS APPOINTED A COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE CONTROVERSIAL BANK, WHICH, IN COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE CONTROVERSIAL BANK, WHICH, IN THE PAST, HAD BEEN IMPLICATED IN CONTROVERSIAL BANK, WHICH, IN THE PAST, HAD BEEN IMPLICATED IN OTHER LAUNDERING SCANDALS AND THE PAST, HAD BEEN IMPLICATED IN OTHER LAUNDERING SCANDALS AND ACCUSED OF HAVING TIES TO THE OTHER LAUNDERING SCANDALS AND ACCUSED OF HAVING TIES TO THE MAFIA.
ACCUSED OF HAVING TIES TO THE MAFIA.
THE NEW FIVE-PERSON COMMISSION MAFIA.
THE NEW FIVE-PERSON COMMISSION INCLUDES TWO CARDINALS, OTHER THE NEW FIVE-PERSON COMMISSION INCLUDES TWO CARDINALS, OTHER HIGH RANKING CLERGY, AND A INCLUDES TWO CARDINALS, OTHER HIGH RANKING CLERGY, AND A HARVARD LAW PROFESSOR BUT NO HIGH RANKING CLERGY, AND A HARVARD LAW PROFESSOR BUT NO BANKERS, ALTHOUGH THE HARVARD LAW PROFESSOR BUT NO BANKERS, ALTHOUGH THE GROUP CAN CONSULT WITH THEM.
BANKERS, ALTHOUGH THE GROUP CAN CONSULT WITH THEM.
>>> ALSO THIS WEEK, POPE FRANCIS GROUP CAN CONSULT WITH THEM.
>>> ALSO THIS WEEK, POPE FRANCIS STRONGLY CONDEMNED >>> ALSO THIS WEEK, POPE FRANCIS STRONGLY CONDEMNED ANTI-SEMITISM, SAYING NO STRONGLY CONDEMNED ANTI-SEMITISM, SAYING NO CHRISTIAN CAN BE ANTI-SEMITIC ANTI-SEMITISM, SAYING NO CHRISTIAN CAN BE ANTI-SEMITIC BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM CHRISTIAN CAN BE ANTI-SEMITIC BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM SHARE COMMON ROOTS.
BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM SHARE COMMON ROOTS.
THE POPE MADE THE COMMENTS IN A SHARE COMMON ROOTS.
THE POPE MADE THE COMMENTS IN A MEETING WITH JEWISH LEADERS, THE THE POPE MADE THE COMMENTS IN A MEETING WITH JEWISH LEADERS, THE FIRST TIME HE HAS MET OFFICIALLY MEETING WITH JEWISH LEADERS, THE FIRST TIME HE HAS MET OFFICIALLY AS POPE WITH A JEWISH FIRST TIME HE HAS MET OFFICIALLY AS POPE WITH A JEWISH DELEGATION.
AS POPE WITH A JEWISH DELEGATION.
AFTERWARD, ONE OF THE RABBIS DELEGATION.
AFTERWARD, ONE OF THE RABBIS PRESENT REFERRED TO FRANCIS AS AFTERWARD, ONE OF THE RABBIS PRESENT REFERRED TO FRANCIS AS "A VERY GOOD FRIEND TO THE PRESENT REFERRED TO FRANCIS AS "A VERY GOOD FRIEND TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE."
"A VERY GOOD FRIEND TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE."
>>> THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS JEWISH PEOPLE."
>>> THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS IS RAISING CONCERNS OVER HOW >>> THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS IS RAISING CONCERNS OVER HOW HOSPITALS, HOUSES OF WORSHIP, IS RAISING CONCERNS OVER HOW HOSPITALS, HOUSES OF WORSHIP, AND SCHOOLS ARE BEING IMPACTED HOSPITALS, HOUSES OF WORSHIP, AND SCHOOLS ARE BEING IMPACTED BY VIOLENT CONFLICTS AROUND THE AND SCHOOLS ARE BEING IMPACTED BY VIOLENT CONFLICTS AROUND THE WORLD, PARTICULARLY IN SYRIA, BY VIOLENT CONFLICTS AROUND THE WORLD, PARTICULARLY IN SYRIA, OTHER PARTS OF THE MIDDLE EAST, WORLD, PARTICULARLY IN SYRIA, OTHER PARTS OF THE MIDDLE EAST, AND AFRICA.
OTHER PARTS OF THE MIDDLE EAST, AND AFRICA.
THE ORGANIZATION SAID ARMED AND AFRICA.
THE ORGANIZATION SAID ARMED GROUPS ARE NOW OCCUPYING THESE THE ORGANIZATION SAID ARMED GROUPS ARE NOW OCCUPYING THESE SPACES, INCLUDING CHURCHES AND GROUPS ARE NOW OCCUPYING THESE SPACES, INCLUDING CHURCHES AND MOSQUES, MAKING CIVILIANS THERE SPACES, INCLUDING CHURCHES AND MOSQUES, MAKING CIVILIANS THERE TARGETS FOR OPPOSING FORCES.
MOSQUES, MAKING CIVILIANS THERE TARGETS FOR OPPOSING FORCES.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE RED CROSS TARGETS FOR OPPOSING FORCES.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE RED CROSS CALLED IT ONE OF THE MOST THE PRESIDENT OF THE RED CROSS CALLED IT ONE OF THE MOST WORRISOME TRENDS IN THE PAST CALLED IT ONE OF THE MOST WORRISOME TRENDS IN THE PAST YEAR.
WORRISOME TRENDS IN THE PAST YEAR.
>>> IN INDIA, PRAYER SERVICES YEAR.
>>> IN INDIA, PRAYER SERVICES WERE HELD THIS WEEK FOR THE MORE >>> IN INDIA, PRAYER SERVICES WERE HELD THIS WEEK FOR THE MORE THAN 1,000 PEOPLE WHO WERE HELD THIS WEEK FOR THE MORE THAN 1,000 PEOPLE WHO DIED IN MASSIVE FLOODING AND THAN 1,000 PEOPLE WHO DIED IN MASSIVE FLOODING AND LANDSLIDES.
DIED IN MASSIVE FLOODING AND LANDSLIDES.
CLOSE TO 100,000 PEOPLE WERE LANDSLIDES.
CLOSE TO 100,000 PEOPLE WERE RESCUED, AND SEVERAL THOUSAND CLOSE TO 100,000 PEOPLE WERE RESCUED, AND SEVERAL THOUSAND MORE WERE STILL STRANDED WELL RESCUED, AND SEVERAL THOUSAND MORE WERE STILL STRANDED WELL INTO THIS WEEK.
MORE WERE STILL STRANDED WELL INTO THIS WEEK.
HUNDREDS OF BODIES WERE FOUND IN INTO THIS WEEK.
HUNDREDS OF BODIES WERE FOUND IN A FLOODED AREA NEAR ONE TEMPLE, HUNDREDS OF BODIES WERE FOUND IN A FLOODED AREA NEAR ONE TEMPLE, THE SITE OF AN ANNUAL HINDU A FLOODED AREA NEAR ONE TEMPLE, THE SITE OF AN ANNUAL HINDU PILGRIMAGE.
THE SITE OF AN ANNUAL HINDU PILGRIMAGE.
MOST YEARS, PILGRIMS FINISH THE PILGRIMAGE.
MOST YEARS, PILGRIMS FINISH THE TRIP BEFORE MONSOON SEASON, BUT MOST YEARS, PILGRIMS FINISH THE TRIP BEFORE MONSOON SEASON, BUT THIS YEAR, RECORD-HIGH RAINS TRIP BEFORE MONSOON SEASON, BUT THIS YEAR, RECORD-HIGH RAINS CAME EARLY.
THIS YEAR, RECORD-HIGH RAINS CAME EARLY.
>>> EARLIER THIS MONTH THERE WAS CAME EARLY.
>>> EARLIER THIS MONTH THERE WAS A MASSIVE DISPLAY ON THE >>> EARLIER THIS MONTH THERE WAS A MASSIVE DISPLAY ON THE NATIONAL MALL IN WASHINGTON A MASSIVE DISPLAY ON THE NATIONAL MALL IN WASHINGTON DESIGNED TO CALL ATTENTION TO NATIONAL MALL IN WASHINGTON DESIGNED TO CALL ATTENTION TO GENOCIDES AROUND THE WORLD.
DESIGNED TO CALL ATTENTION TO GENOCIDES AROUND THE WORLD.
USING WHATEVER MATERIALS THEY GENOCIDES AROUND THE WORLD.
USING WHATEVER MATERIALS THEY HAD ON HAND, PEOPLE FROM EVERY USING WHATEVER MATERIALS THEY HAD ON HAND, PEOPLE FROM EVERY STATE MADE ARTIFICIAL BONES TO HAD ON HAND, PEOPLE FROM EVERY STATE MADE ARTIFICIAL BONES TO RECOGNIZE CURRENT VIOLENT STATE MADE ARTIFICIAL BONES TO RECOGNIZE CURRENT VIOLENT PERSECUTIONS AND RECALL PAST RECOGNIZE CURRENT VIOLENT PERSECUTIONS AND RECALL PAST ONES, LIKE THE HOLOCAUST.
PERSECUTIONS AND RECALL PAST ONES, LIKE THE HOLOCAUST.
WE VISITED A BONE-MAKING EVENT ONES, LIKE THE HOLOCAUST.
WE VISITED A BONE-MAKING EVENT AT THE WASHINGTON HEBREW WE VISITED A BONE-MAKING EVENT AT THE WASHINGTON HEBREW CONGREGATION AND SPOKE WITH ITS AT THE WASHINGTON HEBREW CONGREGATION AND SPOKE WITH ITS RABBI, BRUCE LUSTIG, TO HIS CONGREGATION AND SPOKE WITH ITS RABBI, BRUCE LUSTIG, TO HIS DAUGHTER, EVE, AND TO ARTIST RABBI, BRUCE LUSTIG, TO HIS DAUGHTER, EVE, AND TO ARTIST NAOMI NATALE, THE FOUNDER AND DAUGHTER, EVE, AND TO ARTIST NAOMI NATALE, THE FOUNDER AND DIRECTOR OF THE PROJECT SHE NAOMI NATALE, THE FOUNDER AND DIRECTOR OF THE PROJECT SHE CALLS "ONE MILLION BONES."
DIRECTOR OF THE PROJECT SHE CALLS "ONE MILLION BONES."
>> FROM THE BEGINNING, OUR GOAL CALLS "ONE MILLION BONES."
>> FROM THE BEGINNING, OUR GOAL WAS TO COLLECT A MILLION >> FROM THE BEGINNING, OUR GOAL WAS TO COLLECT A MILLION HANDMADE BONES THAT WOULD ALL BE WAS TO COLLECT A MILLION HANDMADE BONES THAT WOULD ALL BE INSTALLED ON THE NATIONAL MALL.
HANDMADE BONES THAT WOULD ALL BE INSTALLED ON THE NATIONAL MALL.
WE'RE GOING TO START BY ROLLING INSTALLED ON THE NATIONAL MALL.
WE'RE GOING TO START BY ROLLING OUT A LOG.
WE'RE GOING TO START BY ROLLING OUT A LOG.
WHEN YOU MAKE SOMETHING WITH OUT A LOG.
WHEN YOU MAKE SOMETHING WITH YOUR HANDS, IT CHANGES THE WAY WHEN YOU MAKE SOMETHING WITH YOUR HANDS, IT CHANGES THE WAY YOU FEEL, WHICH CHANGES THE WAY YOUR HANDS, IT CHANGES THE WAY YOU FEEL, WHICH CHANGES THE WAY YOU THINK, WHICH CHANGES THE WAY YOU FEEL, WHICH CHANGES THE WAY YOU THINK, WHICH CHANGES THE WAY YOU ACT.
YOU THINK, WHICH CHANGES THE WAY YOU ACT.
YOU KNOW, I'VE MADE BONES IN YOU ACT.
YOU KNOW, I'VE MADE BONES IN TEMPLES, IN CHURCHES, OUT IN THE YOU KNOW, I'VE MADE BONES IN TEMPLES, IN CHURCHES, OUT IN THE STREET.
TEMPLES, IN CHURCHES, OUT IN THE STREET.
EVERYBODY BRINGS THEIR OWN STREET.
EVERYBODY BRINGS THEIR OWN HISTORY WITH THEM, YOU KNOW.
EVERYBODY BRINGS THEIR OWN HISTORY WITH THEM, YOU KNOW.
THEY BRING THEIR OWN HISTORY WITH THEM, YOU KNOW.
THEY BRING THEIR OWN EXPERIENCES, THEIR OWN THEY BRING THEIR OWN EXPERIENCES, THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT DOES A EXPERIENCES, THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT DOES A BONE MEAN TO THEM, AND WHAT DO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT DOES A BONE MEAN TO THEM, AND WHAT DO OUR CONNECTIONS TO EACH OTHER BONE MEAN TO THEM, AND WHAT DO OUR CONNECTIONS TO EACH OTHER MEAN TO US.
OUR CONNECTIONS TO EACH OTHER MEAN TO US.
>> I'M A CHILD OF A HOLOCAUST MEAN TO US.
>> I'M A CHILD OF A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR AND SO, WHEN I SAW THE >> I'M A CHILD OF A HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR AND SO, WHEN I SAW THE IMAGERY OF THE BONES, IT EVOKED SURVIVOR AND SO, WHEN I SAW THE IMAGERY OF THE BONES, IT EVOKED SO MANY EMOTIONAL FEELINGS.
IMAGERY OF THE BONES, IT EVOKED SO MANY EMOTIONAL FEELINGS.
PEOPLE OF FAITH, THERE'S NO SO MANY EMOTIONAL FEELINGS.
PEOPLE OF FAITH, THERE'S NO BELIEF THAT IS WORTH ANYTHING PEOPLE OF FAITH, THERE'S NO BELIEF THAT IS WORTH ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE A COROLLARY BELIEF THAT IS WORTH ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE A COROLLARY ACTION.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE A COROLLARY ACTION.
AND SO, IF WE BELIEVE THAT WE ACTION.
AND SO, IF WE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE AND SO, IF WE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE OF DARFUR, THE SOUTH SUDAN, SHOULD STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE OF DARFUR, THE SOUTH SUDAN, CONGO, BURMA, ALL OF THESE OF DARFUR, THE SOUTH SUDAN, CONGO, BURMA, ALL OF THESE PLACES WHERE GENOCIDE HAS TAKEN CONGO, BURMA, ALL OF THESE PLACES WHERE GENOCIDE HAS TAKEN PLACE, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PLACES WHERE GENOCIDE HAS TAKEN PLACE, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ACT AS WELL.
PLACE, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ACT AS WELL.
SONS AND DAUGHTERS, CARRY THESE ACT AS WELL.
SONS AND DAUGHTERS, CARRY THESE BONES.
SONS AND DAUGHTERS, CARRY THESE BONES.
LET THE SOULS OF THE MILLIONS BONES.
LET THE SOULS OF THE MILLIONS WHO HAVE DIED SPEAK TO US AND LET THE SOULS OF THE MILLIONS WHO HAVE DIED SPEAK TO US AND SPEAK THROUGH US.
WHO HAVE DIED SPEAK TO US AND SPEAK THROUGH US.
WE ALL SHARE THE SAME BONES.
SPEAK THROUGH US.
WE ALL SHARE THE SAME BONES.
NO MATTER YOUR CREED, NO MATTER WE ALL SHARE THE SAME BONES.
NO MATTER YOUR CREED, NO MATTER YOUR COLOR, WE ARE ALL CREATED NO MATTER YOUR CREED, NO MATTER YOUR COLOR, WE ARE ALL CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.
YOUR COLOR, WE ARE ALL CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.
>> THE EXPERIENCE OF CARRYING IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.
>> THE EXPERIENCE OF CARRYING THE BONE AND LAYING IT OUT, IT'S >> THE EXPERIENCE OF CARRYING THE BONE AND LAYING IT OUT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A JOURNEY FROM THE BONE AND LAYING IT OUT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A JOURNEY FROM WHERE YOU PICK IT UP AND WHERE KIND OF LIKE A JOURNEY FROM WHERE YOU PICK IT UP AND WHERE IT GOES.
WHERE YOU PICK IT UP AND WHERE IT GOES.
IT'S VERY MUCH OF, LIKE, A IT GOES.
IT'S VERY MUCH OF, LIKE, A MEDITATIVE EXPERIENCE, HOLDING IT'S VERY MUCH OF, LIKE, A MEDITATIVE EXPERIENCE, HOLDING IT.
MEDITATIVE EXPERIENCE, HOLDING IT.
IF WE CAN ACCEPT THIS IDEA THAT IT.
IF WE CAN ACCEPT THIS IDEA THAT WE BELONG TO EACH OTHER, THEN WE IF WE CAN ACCEPT THIS IDEA THAT WE BELONG TO EACH OTHER, THEN WE CAN RECOGNIZE OUR RESPONSIBILITY WE BELONG TO EACH OTHER, THEN WE CAN RECOGNIZE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ONE ANOTHER.
CAN RECOGNIZE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ONE ANOTHER.
>> MY GRANDMOTHER AND TO ONE ANOTHER.
>> MY GRANDMOTHER AND GREAT-UNCLE ON MY DAD'S SIDE ARE >> MY GRANDMOTHER AND GREAT-UNCLE ON MY DAD'S SIDE ARE SURVIVORS OF THE HOLOCAUST.
GREAT-UNCLE ON MY DAD'S SIDE ARE SURVIVORS OF THE HOLOCAUST.
JUST BEING JEWISH, YOU KNOW, THE SURVIVORS OF THE HOLOCAUST.
JUST BEING JEWISH, YOU KNOW, THE HOLOCAUST IS A PART OF WHO I AM, JUST BEING JEWISH, YOU KNOW, THE HOLOCAUST IS A PART OF WHO I AM, IT'S A PART OF MY TRADITION AND HOLOCAUST IS A PART OF WHO I AM, IT'S A PART OF MY TRADITION AND PART OF MY LIFE.
IT'S A PART OF MY TRADITION AND PART OF MY LIFE.
AND THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE PART OF MY LIFE.
AND THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T SURVIVE, DID NOT AND THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T SURVIVE, DID NOT HAVE A PROPER BURIAL OR THEIR THAT DIDN'T SURVIVE, DID NOT HAVE A PROPER BURIAL OR THEIR BODIES WEREN'T FOUND.
HAVE A PROPER BURIAL OR THEIR BODIES WEREN'T FOUND.
THIS IS A WAY, TO ME, OF SORT OF BODIES WEREN'T FOUND.
THIS IS A WAY, TO ME, OF SORT OF HONORING THEM.
THIS IS A WAY, TO ME, OF SORT OF HONORING THEM.
>> WHEN I THINK ABOUT SO MANY HONORING THEM.
>> WHEN I THINK ABOUT SO MANY ISSUES THAT ARE FACING OUR >> WHEN I THINK ABOUT SO MANY ISSUES THAT ARE FACING OUR WORLD, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES THAT ARE FACING OUR WORLD, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MOST SUCCESSFUL SOLUTIONS THAT WORLD, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE MOST SUCCESSFUL SOLUTIONS THAT WE'LL COME UP WITH ARE ONES MOST SUCCESSFUL SOLUTIONS THAT WE'LL COME UP WITH ARE ONES WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE THE SMALL WE'LL COME UP WITH ARE ONES WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE THE SMALL BUT VERY SIGNIFICANT ROLE THAT WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE THE SMALL BUT VERY SIGNIFICANT ROLE THAT THEY CAN PLAY WITHIN THAT BUT VERY SIGNIFICANT ROLE THAT THEY CAN PLAY WITHIN THAT MOVEMENT.
THEY CAN PLAY WITHIN THAT MOVEMENT.
♪ MOVEMENT.
♪ >> HOPEFULLY, IN OUR CHILDREN'S ♪ >> HOPEFULLY, IN OUR CHILDREN'S GENERATION THERE WON'T BE A NEED >> HOPEFULLY, IN OUR CHILDREN'S GENERATION THERE WON'T BE A NEED FOR US TO HAVE GENERATION THERE WON'T BE A NEED FOR US TO HAVE CONSCIOUSNESS-RAISING EVENTS FOR US TO HAVE CONSCIOUSNESS-RAISING EVENTS ABOUT GENOCIDE, THAT ON EARTH CONSCIOUSNESS-RAISING EVENTS ABOUT GENOCIDE, THAT ON EARTH THERE WILL BE NO GENOCIDE.
ABOUT GENOCIDE, THAT ON EARTH THERE WILL BE NO GENOCIDE.
>>> FINALLY, NEXT THURSDAY IS THERE WILL BE NO GENOCIDE.
>>> FINALLY, NEXT THURSDAY IS INDEPENDENCE DAY, AND WE WISH >>> FINALLY, NEXT THURSDAY IS INDEPENDENCE DAY, AND WE WISH FOR ALL OF US A SAFE, HAPPY AND INDEPENDENCE DAY, AND WE WISH FOR ALL OF US A SAFE, HAPPY AND EVEN GLORIOUS FOURTH.
FOR ALL OF US A SAFE, HAPPY AND EVEN GLORIOUS FOURTH.
THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.
EVEN GLORIOUS FOURTH.
THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.
I'M BOB ABERNETHY.
THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.
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