Government Data Collection, Russell Moore

>>> COMING UP, BALANCING PRIVACY >>> COMING UP, BALANCING PRIVACY AND SECURITY IN THE DEBATE OVER >>> COMING UP, BALANCING PRIVACY AND SECURITY IN THE DEBATE OVER GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE.

AND SECURITY IN THE DEBATE OVER GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE.

WE TALK WITH MICHAEL KESSLER OF GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE.

WE TALK WITH MICHAEL KESSLER OF GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY.

WE TALK WITH MICHAEL KESSLER OF GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY.

>>> ALSO, A NEW PUBLIC POLICY GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY.

>>> ALSO, A NEW PUBLIC POLICY SPOKESMAN FOR THE SOUTHERN >>> ALSO, A NEW PUBLIC POLICY SPOKESMAN FOR THE SOUTHERN BAPTISTS.

SPOKESMAN FOR THE SOUTHERN BAPTISTS.

RUSSELL MOORE TELLS KIM LAWTON BAPTISTS.

RUSSELL MOORE TELLS KIM LAWTON HE WANTS TO ASSERT TRADITIONAL RUSSELL MOORE TELLS KIM LAWTON HE WANTS TO ASSERT TRADITIONAL VALUES WITH RESPECT AND HE WANTS TO ASSERT TRADITIONAL VALUES WITH RESPECT AND KINDNESS.

VALUES WITH RESPECT AND KINDNESS.

>> AND, AS THE G-8 LEADERS MEET KINDNESS.

>> AND, AS THE G-8 LEADERS MEET IN NORTHERN IRELAND, DAVID >> AND, AS THE G-8 LEADERS MEET IN NORTHERN IRELAND, DAVID TERESHCHUK RECALLS THE HISTORY IN NORTHERN IRELAND, DAVID TERESHCHUK RECALLS THE HISTORY OF BOTH VIOLENCE AND TERESHCHUK RECALLS THE HISTORY OF BOTH VIOLENCE AND WELCOME.

OF BOTH VIOLENCE AND WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

THIS WEEK OF CAPITOL HILL HAVE YOU WITH US.

THIS WEEK OF CAPITOL HILL TESTIMONY AND WIDESPREAD DEBATE THIS WEEK OF CAPITOL HILL TESTIMONY AND WIDESPREAD DEBATE OVER THE GOVERNMENT'S MASSIVE TESTIMONY AND WIDESPREAD DEBATE OVER THE GOVERNMENT'S MASSIVE SURVEILLANCE OF PHONE CALLS AND OVER THE GOVERNMENT'S MASSIVE SURVEILLANCE OF PHONE CALLS AND INTERNET ACTIVITY.

SURVEILLANCE OF PHONE CALLS AND INTERNET ACTIVITY.

ONE KEY QUESTION -- HOW TO FIND INTERNET ACTIVITY.

ONE KEY QUESTION -- HOW TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN ONE KEY QUESTION -- HOW TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN PROTECTING CITIZENS' PRIVACY AND THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN PROTECTING CITIZENS' PRIVACY AND ASSURING NATIONAL SECURITY.

PROTECTING CITIZENS' PRIVACY AND ASSURING NATIONAL SECURITY.

WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT WITH ASSURING NATIONAL SECURITY.

WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT WITH MICHAEL KESSLER, AN ETHICIST, A WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT WITH MICHAEL KESSLER, AN ETHICIST, A LEGAL SCHOLAR AND ASSOCIATE MICHAEL KESSLER, AN ETHICIST, A LEGAL SCHOLAR AND ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF THE BERKLEY CENTER LEGAL SCHOLAR AND ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF THE BERKLEY CENTER FOR RELIGION, PEACE AND WORLD DIRECTOR OF THE BERKLEY CENTER FOR RELIGION, PEACE AND WORLD AFFAIRS AT GEORGETOWN FOR RELIGION, PEACE AND WORLD AFFAIRS AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY.

AFFAIRS AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY.

PROFESSOR KESSLER, WELCOME.

UNIVERSITY.

PROFESSOR KESSLER, WELCOME.

>> SO HOW DO WE GET THE RIGHT PROFESSOR KESSLER, WELCOME.

>> SO HOW DO WE GET THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN PRIVACY ON THE >> SO HOW DO WE GET THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN PRIVACY ON THE ONE HAND AND SECURITY ON THE BALANCE BETWEEN PRIVACY ON THE ONE HAND AND SECURITY ON THE OTHER?

ONE HAND AND SECURITY ON THE OTHER?

>> WELL THE FIRST THING TO KEEP OTHER?

>> WELL THE FIRST THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THESE POLICY >> WELL THE FIRST THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THESE POLICY DEBATES ARE REALLY MORAL IN MIND IS THAT THESE POLICY DEBATES ARE REALLY MORAL DEBATES.

DEBATES ARE REALLY MORAL DEBATES.

IT'S ABOUT HOW TO SECURE THE DEBATES.

IT'S ABOUT HOW TO SECURE THE WELL-BEING OF THE BODY, FREEDOM IT'S ABOUT HOW TO SECURE THE WELL-BEING OF THE BODY, FREEDOM OF THOUGHT, FREEDOM OF WELL-BEING OF THE BODY, FREEDOM OF THOUGHT, FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE.

OF THOUGHT, FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE.

THE RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS HAVE AN CONSCIENCE.

THE RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS HAVE AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES TO THE RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS HAVE AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES TO HELP US THINK ABOUT WHERE TO IMMENSE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES TO HELP US THINK ABOUT WHERE TO DRAW THIS LINE.

HELP US THINK ABOUT WHERE TO DRAW THIS LINE.

FIRST AND FOREMOST IN THE JUST DRAW THIS LINE.

FIRST AND FOREMOST IN THE JUST WAR TRADITION IS THE IDEA OF FIRST AND FOREMOST IN THE JUST WAR TRADITION IS THE IDEA OF PROPORTIONALITY.

WAR TRADITION IS THE IDEA OF PROPORTIONALITY.

WHEN YOU PERCEIVE A THREAT PROPORTIONALITY.

WHEN YOU PERCEIVE A THREAT AGAINST YOU, YOUR RESPONSE HAS WHEN YOU PERCEIVE A THREAT AGAINST YOU, YOUR RESPONSE HAS TO BE MEASURED AND TEMPERED AGAINST YOU, YOUR RESPONSE HAS TO BE MEASURED AND TEMPERED APPROPRIATE TO STOP THAT TO BE MEASURED AND TEMPERED APPROPRIATE TO STOP THAT ILLEGITIMATE THREAT BUT GO NO APPROPRIATE TO STOP THAT ILLEGITIMATE THREAT BUT GO NO FURTHER.

ILLEGITIMATE THREAT BUT GO NO FURTHER.

>> BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS, FURTHER.

>> BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME THINGS >> BUT LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT ARE SECRET OR SUPPOSED TO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT ARE SECRET OR SUPPOSED TO BE SECRET, NOW HOW DO WE HOW DO THAT ARE SECRET OR SUPPOSED TO BE SECRET, NOW HOW DO WE HOW DO WE RATE HOW BIG A THREAT THERE BE SECRET, NOW HOW DO WE HOW DO WE RATE HOW BIG A THREAT THERE IS WHEN WE CAN'T REALLY KNOW WE RATE HOW BIG A THREAT THERE IS WHEN WE CAN'T REALLY KNOW BECAUSE OF THE SECRECY?

IS WHEN WE CAN'T REALLY KNOW BECAUSE OF THE SECRECY?

>> SURE, SOME OF THAT IN OUR BECAUSE OF THE SECRECY?

>> SURE, SOME OF THAT IN OUR POLITICAL STRUCTURE IS BUILT >> SURE, SOME OF THAT IN OUR POLITICAL STRUCTURE IS BUILT INTO THE DNA OF THE POLITICAL POLITICAL STRUCTURE IS BUILT INTO THE DNA OF THE POLITICAL ORDER CREATED BY THE INTO THE DNA OF THE POLITICAL ORDER CREATED BY THE CONSTITUTION.

ORDER CREATED BY THE CONSTITUTION.

WE HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES CONSTITUTION.

WE HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT BRANCHES, WE HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT BRANCHES, WE HAVE A FEDERALIST STATE LOCAL BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT BRANCHES, WE HAVE A FEDERALIST STATE LOCAL STRUCTURE THAT MAINTAINS THAT.

WE HAVE A FEDERALIST STATE LOCAL STRUCTURE THAT MAINTAINS THAT.

WE ALSO HAVE THE PRESS STRUCTURE THAT MAINTAINS THAT.

WE ALSO HAVE THE PRESS IMPORTANTLY WHO HELPS EXPOSE WE ALSO HAVE THE PRESS IMPORTANTLY WHO HELPS EXPOSE BOTH THE THREATS ABROAD SO THAT IMPORTANTLY WHO HELPS EXPOSE BOTH THE THREATS ABROAD SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF BOTH THE THREATS ABROAD SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF WHAT THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT IS WE UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF WHAT THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT IS FACING IN KEEPING US SECURE.

WHAT THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT IS FACING IN KEEPING US SECURE.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE CONCERNS FACING IN KEEPING US SECURE.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE CONCERNS ABOUT, WHAT ARE THESE PROGRAMS?

BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE CONCERNS ABOUT, WHAT ARE THESE PROGRAMS?

AND SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT ABOUT, WHAT ARE THESE PROGRAMS?

AND SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT I THINK IS A GOOD THING FOR AND SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT I THINK IS A GOOD THING FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT I THINK IS A GOOD THING FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT HOW MUCH INFORMATION IS BEING PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT HOW MUCH INFORMATION IS BEING EXPOSED TO THE GOVERNMENT SO HOW MUCH INFORMATION IS BEING EXPOSED TO THE GOVERNMENT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE NATIONAL EXPOSED TO THE GOVERNMENT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE NATIONAL DEBATE THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA THAT WE CAN HAVE THE NATIONAL DEBATE THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA CALLED FOR.

DEBATE THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA CALLED FOR.

>> THERE WAS A POLL OUT EARLIER CALLED FOR.

>> THERE WAS A POLL OUT EARLIER THIS WEEK, SOMETHING LIKE >> THERE WAS A POLL OUT EARLIER THIS WEEK, SOMETHING LIKE FIFTY-SIX PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE THIS WEEK, SOMETHING LIKE FIFTY-SIX PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE SAID THAT SECURITY IN ESSENCE, FIFTY-SIX PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE SAID THAT SECURITY IN ESSENCE, SECURITY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SAID THAT SECURITY IN ESSENCE, SECURITY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PRIVACY AND WHEN THEY COLLIDE SECURITY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PRIVACY AND WHEN THEY COLLIDE THEY'D RATHER GO WITH SECURITY.

PRIVACY AND WHEN THEY COLLIDE THEY'D RATHER GO WITH SECURITY.

>> SURE, FIRST THING AS A MORAL THEY'D RATHER GO WITH SECURITY.

>> SURE, FIRST THING AS A MORAL THEORIST, THE FACT THAT >> SURE, FIRST THING AS A MORAL THEORIST, THE FACT THAT SOMETHING WORKS AND THE FACT THEORIST, THE FACT THAT SOMETHING WORKS AND THE FACT THAT LOTS OF PEOPLE THINK THAT SOMETHING WORKS AND THE FACT THAT LOTS OF PEOPLE THINK THAT IT'S OK DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE THAT LOTS OF PEOPLE THINK THAT IT'S OK DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE IT SO.

IT'S OK DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAKE IT SO.

BUT THE SECOND THING IS THAT IT SO.

BUT THE SECOND THING IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BALANCE BUT THE SECOND THING IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BALANCE PRIVACY AND SECURITY OR SECURITY WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BALANCE PRIVACY AND SECURITY OR SECURITY AGAINST ANY OTHER VALUE, THERE'S PRIVACY AND SECURITY OR SECURITY AGAINST ANY OTHER VALUE, THERE'S THE GRAVITY OF AN IMMEDIATE AGAINST ANY OTHER VALUE, THERE'S THE GRAVITY OF AN IMMEDIATE THREAT CAN OFTEN RECALIBRATE HOW THE GRAVITY OF AN IMMEDIATE THREAT CAN OFTEN RECALIBRATE HOW YOU THINK ABOUT THE VALUE OF THREAT CAN OFTEN RECALIBRATE HOW YOU THINK ABOUT THE VALUE OF THESE OTHER SORTS OF THINGS.

YOU THINK ABOUT THE VALUE OF THESE OTHER SORTS OF THINGS.

TWELVE YEARS OUT FROM 9/11 IT THESE OTHER SORTS OF THINGS.

TWELVE YEARS OUT FROM 9/11 IT MAY BE THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T TWELVE YEARS OUT FROM 9/11 IT MAY BE THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T THINK OF THIS THREAT OF FOREIGN MAY BE THAT SOME PEOPLE DON'T THINK OF THIS THREAT OF FOREIGN TERRORISM IN QUITE THE SAME WAY, THINK OF THIS THREAT OF FOREIGN TERRORISM IN QUITE THE SAME WAY, THAT OVERRIDES THEIR CONCERNS TERRORISM IN QUITE THE SAME WAY, THAT OVERRIDES THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRIVACY OF THEIR TEXT THAT OVERRIDES THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRIVACY OF THEIR TEXT MESSAGES AND INTERNET ABOUT THE PRIVACY OF THEIR TEXT MESSAGES AND INTERNET COMMUNICATIONS.

MESSAGES AND INTERNET COMMUNICATIONS.

OTHER PEOPLE I THINK DO AND COMMUNICATIONS.

OTHER PEOPLE I THINK DO AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE OTHER PEOPLE I THINK DO AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE RIGHT LINE IS AND HAVING A TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE RIGHT LINE IS AND HAVING A NATIONAL DEBATE ABOUT THAT I RIGHT LINE IS AND HAVING A NATIONAL DEBATE ABOUT THAT I THINK IS THE RIGHT MOVE RIGHT NATIONAL DEBATE ABOUT THAT I THINK IS THE RIGHT MOVE RIGHT NOW.

THINK IS THE RIGHT MOVE RIGHT NOW.

>> QUICKLY, HAVE YOU YOURSELF, NOW.

>> QUICKLY, HAVE YOU YOURSELF, FOR YOURSELF COME OUT ABOUT >> QUICKLY, HAVE YOU YOURSELF, FOR YOURSELF COME OUT ABOUT WHERE YOU THINK, HOW MUCH, HOW FOR YOURSELF COME OUT ABOUT WHERE YOU THINK, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH THE EMPHASIS SHOULD BE ON WHERE YOU THINK, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH THE EMPHASIS SHOULD BE ON SECURITY AND HOW MUCH ON MUCH THE EMPHASIS SHOULD BE ON SECURITY AND HOW MUCH ON PRIVACY?

SECURITY AND HOW MUCH ON PRIVACY?

>> I THINK SECURITY IS DEEPLY PRIVACY?

>> I THINK SECURITY IS DEEPLY IMPORTANT, I THINK THAT THE >> I THINK SECURITY IS DEEPLY IMPORTANT, I THINK THAT THE COLLECTION AND MINIMIZATION IMPORTANT, I THINK THAT THE COLLECTION AND MINIMIZATION PROCEDURES THAT ARE IN PLACE COLLECTION AND MINIMIZATION PROCEDURES THAT ARE IN PLACE WHERE THEY COLLECT THE DATA BUT PROCEDURES THAT ARE IN PLACE WHERE THEY COLLECT THE DATA BUT CAN ONLY ACCESS IT AND ANALYZE WHERE THEY COLLECT THE DATA BUT CAN ONLY ACCESS IT AND ANALYZE IT IF THERE'S SPECIFIC THREATS CAN ONLY ACCESS IT AND ANALYZE IT IF THERE'S SPECIFIC THREATS THAT THEY HAVE REASONABLE IT IF THERE'S SPECIFIC THREATS THAT THEY HAVE REASONABLE SUSPICION ABOUT, THAT'S THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE REASONABLE SUSPICION ABOUT, THAT'S THE WAY TO GO.

SUSPICION ABOUT, THAT'S THE WAY TO GO.

>> PROFESSOR MICHAEL KESSLER OF TO GO.

>> PROFESSOR MICHAEL KESSLER OF GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY, MANY >> PROFESSOR MICHAEL KESSLER OF GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY, MANY THANKS.

GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY, MANY THANKS.

>> THANK YOU.

THANKS.

>> THANK YOU.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, RELIGIOUS >> THANK YOU.

>>> IN OTHER NEWS, RELIGIOUS GROUPS WERE ACTIVE ON SEVERAL >>> IN OTHER NEWS, RELIGIOUS GROUPS WERE ACTIVE ON SEVERAL POLICY ISSUES THIS WEEK.

GROUPS WERE ACTIVE ON SEVERAL POLICY ISSUES THIS WEEK.

AS THE FULL SENATE BEGAN DEBATE POLICY ISSUES THIS WEEK.

AS THE FULL SENATE BEGAN DEBATE ON IMMIGRATION REFORM, PROMINENT AS THE FULL SENATE BEGAN DEBATE ON IMMIGRATION REFORM, PROMINENT CLERGY WERE AMONG THOSE JOINING ON IMMIGRATION REFORM, PROMINENT CLERGY WERE AMONG THOSE JOINING PRESIDENT OBAMA AT THE WHITE CLERGY WERE AMONG THOSE JOINING PRESIDENT OBAMA AT THE WHITE HOUSE TO PUSH FOR QUICK PASSAGE PRESIDENT OBAMA AT THE WHITE HOUSE TO PUSH FOR QUICK PASSAGE OF THE LEGISLATION.

HOUSE TO PUSH FOR QUICK PASSAGE OF THE LEGISLATION.

IT WAS A BROAD RANGE OF FAITH OF THE LEGISLATION.

IT WAS A BROAD RANGE OF FAITH LEADERS, INCLUDING SOUTHERN IT WAS A BROAD RANGE OF FAITH LEADERS, INCLUDING SOUTHERN BAPTISTS WHO SUPPORT NEW LEADERS, INCLUDING SOUTHERN BAPTISTS WHO SUPPORT NEW IMMIGRATION LAWS.

BAPTISTS WHO SUPPORT NEW IMMIGRATION LAWS.

MEANWHILE, THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST IMMIGRATION LAWS.

MEANWHILE, THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION HELD ITS ANNUAL MEANWHILE, THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION HELD ITS ANNUAL MEETING THIS WEEK IN HOUSTON.

CONVENTION HELD ITS ANNUAL MEETING THIS WEEK IN HOUSTON.

AMONG MANY MEASURES, DELEGATES MEETING THIS WEEK IN HOUSTON.

AMONG MANY MEASURES, DELEGATES PASSED A RESOLUTION OPPOSING THE AMONG MANY MEASURES, DELEGATES PASSED A RESOLUTION OPPOSING THE RECENT BOY SCOUTS DECISION TO PASSED A RESOLUTION OPPOSING THE RECENT BOY SCOUTS DECISION TO ALLOW OPENLY GAY SCOUTS.

RECENT BOY SCOUTS DECISION TO ALLOW OPENLY GAY SCOUTS.

THE RESOLUTION EXPRESSED SUPPORT ALLOW OPENLY GAY SCOUTS.

THE RESOLUTION EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR CHURCHES AND FAMILIES THAT THE RESOLUTION EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR CHURCHES AND FAMILIES THAT CUT TIES WITH THE SCOUTS, BUT IT FOR CHURCHES AND FAMILIES THAT CUT TIES WITH THE SCOUTS, BUT IT STOPPED SHORT OF CALLING FOR AN CUT TIES WITH THE SCOUTS, BUT IT STOPPED SHORT OF CALLING FOR AN ALL-OUT BOYCOTT.

STOPPED SHORT OF CALLING FOR AN ALL-OUT BOYCOTT.

ANOTHER BIG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION ALL-OUT BOYCOTT.

ANOTHER BIG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WAS HOW TO EXPAND OUTREACH.

ANOTHER BIG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WAS HOW TO EXPAND OUTREACH.

MEMBERSHIP DECLINED NEARLY ONE WAS HOW TO EXPAND OUTREACH.

MEMBERSHIP DECLINED NEARLY ONE PERCENT LAST YEAR, ALTHOUGH WITH MEMBERSHIP DECLINED NEARLY ONE PERCENT LAST YEAR, ALTHOUGH WITH 15.9 MILLION MEMBERS, THE SBC IS PERCENT LAST YEAR, ALTHOUGH WITH 15.9 MILLION MEMBERS, THE SBC IS STILL THE NATION'S LARGEST 15.9 MILLION MEMBERS, THE SBC IS STILL THE NATION'S LARGEST PROTESTANT DENOMINATION.

STILL THE NATION'S LARGEST PROTESTANT DENOMINATION.

FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, ONE OF PROTESTANT DENOMINATION.

FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, ONE OF THE MOST PROMINENT SBC VOICES ON FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, ONE OF THE MOST PROMINENT SBC VOICES ON THE NATIONAL STAGE WAS THAT OF THE MOST PROMINENT SBC VOICES ON THE NATIONAL STAGE WAS THAT OF RICHARD LAND, PRESIDENT OF THE THE NATIONAL STAGE WAS THAT OF RICHARD LAND, PRESIDENT OF THE DENOMINATION'S PUBLIC POLICY RICHARD LAND, PRESIDENT OF THE DENOMINATION'S PUBLIC POLICY ARM, THE ETHICS AND RELIGIOUS DENOMINATION'S PUBLIC POLICY ARM, THE ETHICS AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY COMMISSION.

ARM, THE ETHICS AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY COMMISSION.

LAND RETIRED FROM THAT POSITION LIBERTY COMMISSION.

LAND RETIRED FROM THAT POSITION EARLIER THIS MONTH.

HIS LAND RETIRED FROM THAT POSITION EARLIER THIS MONTH.

HIS SUCCESSOR IS THEOLOGIAN RUSSELL EARLIER THIS MONTH.

HIS SUCCESSOR IS THEOLOGIAN RUSSELL MOORE.

SUCCESSOR IS THEOLOGIAN RUSSELL MOORE.

MOORE TOLD KIM LAWTON HE WANTS MOORE.

MOORE TOLD KIM LAWTON HE WANTS TO DEFEND TRADITIONAL SBC MOORE TOLD KIM LAWTON HE WANTS TO DEFEND TRADITIONAL SBC VALUES, BUT WITH RESPECT FOR TO DEFEND TRADITIONAL SBC VALUES, BUT WITH RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH HIM AND VALUES, BUT WITH RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH HIM AND KINDNESS TOWARD THEM.

THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH HIM AND KINDNESS TOWARD THEM.

>> WE WILL TALK ABOUT MARRIAGE KINDNESS TOWARD THEM.

>> WE WILL TALK ABOUT MARRIAGE ON THE LINE.

>> WE WILL TALK ABOUT MARRIAGE ON THE LINE.

>> AS THE SOUTHERN BAPTISTS' NEW ON THE LINE.

>> AS THE SOUTHERN BAPTISTS' NEW NATIONAL VOICE ON MATTERS OF >> AS THE SOUTHERN BAPTISTS' NEW NATIONAL VOICE ON MATTERS OF ETHICS AND PUBLIC POLICY, NATIONAL VOICE ON MATTERS OF ETHICS AND PUBLIC POLICY, RUSSELL MOORE SAYS HE'S NOT ETHICS AND PUBLIC POLICY, RUSSELL MOORE SAYS HE'S NOT AFRAID TO TAKE CONTROVERSIAL RUSSELL MOORE SAYS HE'S NOT AFRAID TO TAKE CONTROVERSIAL STANDS.

AFRAID TO TAKE CONTROVERSIAL STANDS.

BUT HE DOESN'T SEE HIMSELF AS A STANDS.

BUT HE DOESN'T SEE HIMSELF AS A CULTURE WARRIOR.

BUT HE DOESN'T SEE HIMSELF AS A CULTURE WARRIOR.

>> I SEE MYSELF AS SOMEONE WITH CULTURE WARRIOR.

>> I SEE MYSELF AS SOMEONE WITH VERY STRONG CONVICTIONS ABOUT >> I SEE MYSELF AS SOMEONE WITH VERY STRONG CONVICTIONS ABOUT WHAT, WHAT MATTERS, THE VERY STRONG CONVICTIONS ABOUT WHAT, WHAT MATTERS, THE PERMANENT THINGS, BUT I ALSO SEE WHAT, WHAT MATTERS, THE PERMANENT THINGS, BUT I ALSO SEE THE APPROACH THAT WE AS PERMANENT THINGS, BUT I ALSO SEE THE APPROACH THAT WE AS CHRISTIANS OUGHT TO TAKE AS ONE THE APPROACH THAT WE AS CHRISTIANS OUGHT TO TAKE AS ONE OF KINDNESS, WHICH I DON'T CHRISTIANS OUGHT TO TAKE AS ONE OF KINDNESS, WHICH I DON'T EQUATE WITH WEAKNESS.

OF KINDNESS, WHICH I DON'T EQUATE WITH WEAKNESS.

>> THAT'S THE TONE MOORE HOPES EQUATE WITH WEAKNESS.

>> THAT'S THE TONE MOORE HOPES TO SET AS PRESIDENT OF THE >> THAT'S THE TONE MOORE HOPES TO SET AS PRESIDENT OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION'S TO SET AS PRESIDENT OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION'S ETHICS AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION'S ETHICS AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY COMMISSION.

ETHICS AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY COMMISSION.

WHERE HE HAS TWO BASIC AREAS OF COMMISSION.

WHERE HE HAS TWO BASIC AREAS OF RESPONSIBILITY, SPEAKING TO WHERE HE HAS TWO BASIC AREAS OF RESPONSIBILITY, SPEAKING TO SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCHES ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY, SPEAKING TO SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCHES ABOUT IMPORTANT SOCIAL SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCHES ABOUT IMPORTANT SOCIAL ISSUES AND ADVOCATING FOR THOSE IMPORTANT SOCIAL ISSUES AND ADVOCATING FOR THOSE VALUES IN THE NATIONAL MEDIA AND ISSUES AND ADVOCATING FOR THOSE VALUES IN THE NATIONAL MEDIA AND POLITICAL ARENAS.

VALUES IN THE NATIONAL MEDIA AND POLITICAL ARENAS.

IN THAT ROLE, HE SAYS HE DOESN'T POLITICAL ARENAS.

IN THAT ROLE, HE SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT TO FURTHER POLITICAL IN THAT ROLE, HE SAYS HE DOESN'T WANT TO FURTHER POLITICAL POLARIZATION.

WANT TO FURTHER POLITICAL POLARIZATION.

>> I THINK THAT ANYONE WHO IS POLARIZATION.

>> I THINK THAT ANYONE WHO IS SPEAKING ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT IS, >> I THINK THAT ANYONE WHO IS SPEAKING ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT IS, THAT IS DEARLY HELD, WILL BE SPEAKING ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT IS, THAT IS DEARLY HELD, WILL BE SEEN AS POLARIZING TO SOME THAT IS DEARLY HELD, WILL BE SEEN AS POLARIZING TO SOME DEGREE OR OTHER BUT I THINK THAT SEEN AS POLARIZING TO SOME DEGREE OR OTHER BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU DON'T SEE THE OTHER SIDE DEGREE OR OTHER BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU DON'T SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF AN ARGUMENT AS AN ENEMY, IF IF YOU DON'T SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF AN ARGUMENT AS AN ENEMY, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SEEK TO OF AN ARGUMENT AS AN ENEMY, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SEEK TO PERSUADE AND TO BE UNDERSTOOD, YOU'RE TRYING TO SEEK TO PERSUADE AND TO BE UNDERSTOOD, NOT SEEKING TO VAPORIZE OR TO PERSUADE AND TO BE UNDERSTOOD, NOT SEEKING TO VAPORIZE OR TO DEMONIZE OPPONENTS, I THINK THAT NOT SEEKING TO VAPORIZE OR TO DEMONIZE OPPONENTS, I THINK THAT GOES A LONG WAY.

DEMONIZE OPPONENTS, I THINK THAT GOES A LONG WAY.

>> MOORE WAS PREVIOUSLY DEAN OF GOES A LONG WAY.

>> MOORE WAS PREVIOUSLY DEAN OF THE SCHOOL OF THEOLOGY AT >> MOORE WAS PREVIOUSLY DEAN OF THE SCHOOL OF THEOLOGY AT SOUTHERN BAPTIST THEOLOGICAL THE SCHOOL OF THEOLOGY AT SOUTHERN BAPTIST THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY IN LOUISVILLE.

SOUTHERN BAPTIST THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY IN LOUISVILLE.

AT 41, HE HAS A DIFFERENT STYLE SEMINARY IN LOUISVILLE.

AT 41, HE HAS A DIFFERENT STYLE FROM MANY SOUTHERN BAPTIST AT 41, HE HAS A DIFFERENT STYLE FROM MANY SOUTHERN BAPTIST LEADERS.

FROM MANY SOUTHERN BAPTIST LEADERS.

HE IS A PROLIFIC TWEETER AND LEADERS.

HE IS A PROLIFIC TWEETER AND BLOGGER, WHO MAKES FREQUENT POP HE IS A PROLIFIC TWEETER AND BLOGGER, WHO MAKES FREQUENT POP CULTURE REFERENCES.

BLOGGER, WHO MAKES FREQUENT POP CULTURE REFERENCES.

>> JUMPING THE SHARK, WHICH CULTURE REFERENCES.

>> JUMPING THE SHARK, WHICH CAME OUT OF THE TELEVISION >> JUMPING THE SHARK, WHICH CAME OUT OF THE TELEVISION INDUSTRY, HAVING AN ATTENTIVE CAME OUT OF THE TELEVISION INDUSTRY, HAVING AN ATTENTIVE VIEW OF CULTURE, I THINK IS A INDUSTRY, HAVING AN ATTENTIVE VIEW OF CULTURE, I THINK IS A VERY PUBLICAL THING TO DO.

VIEW OF CULTURE, I THINK IS A VERY PUBLICAL THING TO DO.

WHICH DOESN'T JUST MEAN RAGING VERY PUBLICAL THING TO DO.

WHICH DOESN'T JUST MEAN RAGING AGAINST THE CULTURE.

WHICH DOESN'T JUST MEAN RAGING AGAINST THE CULTURE.

IT MEANS INSTEAD SEEING WHERE AGAINST THE CULTURE.

IT MEANS INSTEAD SEEING WHERE ARE GOD'S GOOD GIFTS SHOWING UP IT MEANS INSTEAD SEEING WHERE ARE GOD'S GOOD GIFTS SHOWING UP IN CULTURE?

ARE GOD'S GOOD GIFTS SHOWING UP IN CULTURE?

WHERE ARE THINGS THAT WE OUGHT IN CULTURE?

WHERE ARE THINGS THAT WE OUGHT TO BE WARY OF WITHIN THE WHERE ARE THINGS THAT WE OUGHT TO BE WARY OF WITHIN THE CULTURE?

TO BE WARY OF WITHIN THE CULTURE?

AND HAVING A DISCERNING MIND AND CULTURE?

AND HAVING A DISCERNING MIND AND A DISCERNING EYE.

AND HAVING A DISCERNING MIND AND A DISCERNING EYE.

>> MOORE HOSTS A PODCAST ABOUT A DISCERNING EYE.

>> MOORE HOSTS A PODCAST ABOUT COUNTRY MUSIC AND RECENTLY WROTE >> MOORE HOSTS A PODCAST ABOUT COUNTRY MUSIC AND RECENTLY WROTE A DEFENSE OF HIP-HOP MUSIC.

COUNTRY MUSIC AND RECENTLY WROTE A DEFENSE OF HIP-HOP MUSIC.

>> HIP-HOP AND COUNTRY BOTH DEAL A DEFENSE OF HIP-HOP MUSIC.

>> HIP-HOP AND COUNTRY BOTH DEAL WITH THE FULL SCOPE OF REALITY, >> HIP-HOP AND COUNTRY BOTH DEAL WITH THE FULL SCOPE OF REALITY, WHICH MEANS NOT ONLY LOVE BUT WITH THE FULL SCOPE OF REALITY, WHICH MEANS NOT ONLY LOVE BUT ALSO AS JOHNNY CASH USED TO PUT WHICH MEANS NOT ONLY LOVE BUT ALSO AS JOHNNY CASH USED TO PUT IT, I SING ABOUT LOVE, GOD AND ALSO AS JOHNNY CASH USED TO PUT IT, I SING ABOUT LOVE, GOD AND MURDER.

IT, I SING ABOUT LOVE, GOD AND MURDER.

I THINK THAT SHOWS UP IN COUNTRY MURDER.

I THINK THAT SHOWS UP IN COUNTRY MUSIC AT LEAST IN ITS OLD I THINK THAT SHOWS UP IN COUNTRY MUSIC AT LEAST IN ITS OLD CLASSICAL FORM AND IN MUSIC AT LEAST IN ITS OLD CLASSICAL FORM AND IN CONTEMPORARY HIP HOP MUSIC AND I CLASSICAL FORM AND IN CONTEMPORARY HIP HOP MUSIC AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONTEMPORARY HIP HOP MUSIC AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO LISTEN TO THAT.

THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO LISTEN TO THAT.

>> HIS STYLE MAY BE DIFFERENT, LISTEN TO THAT.

>> HIS STYLE MAY BE DIFFERENT, BUT MOORE DOES HOLD CONSERVATIVE >> HIS STYLE MAY BE DIFFERENT, BUT MOORE DOES HOLD CONSERVATIVE SOUTHERN BAPTIST POSITIONS ON BUT MOORE DOES HOLD CONSERVATIVE SOUTHERN BAPTIST POSITIONS ON TRADITIONAL SOCIAL ISSUES, SUCH SOUTHERN BAPTIST POSITIONS ON TRADITIONAL SOCIAL ISSUES, SUCH AS HIS STAUNCH OPPOSITION TO TRADITIONAL SOCIAL ISSUES, SUCH AS HIS STAUNCH OPPOSITION TO ABORTION AND SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.

AS HIS STAUNCH OPPOSITION TO ABORTION AND SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.

>> WE BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE ABORTION AND SAME-SEX MARRIAGE.

>> WE BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE CAN'T BE DEFINED OR REDEFINED BY >> WE BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE CAN'T BE DEFINED OR REDEFINED BY THE STATE.

CAN'T BE DEFINED OR REDEFINED BY THE STATE.

WE BELIEVE THAT THE STATE.

WE BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE IS A PRE-POLITICAL WE BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE IS A PRE-POLITICAL REALITY THAT THE STATE SIMPLY MARRIAGE IS A PRE-POLITICAL REALITY THAT THE STATE SIMPLY RECOGNIZES, OF THE UNION OF A REALITY THAT THE STATE SIMPLY RECOGNIZES, OF THE UNION OF A MAN AND A WOMAN IN ONE FLESH RECOGNIZES, OF THE UNION OF A MAN AND A WOMAN IN ONE FLESH UNION THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE MAN AND A WOMAN IN ONE FLESH UNION THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE STABILITY OF FAMILIES AND UNION THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE STABILITY OF FAMILIES AND STABILITY OF COMMUNITIES.

STABILITY OF FAMILIES AND STABILITY OF COMMUNITIES.

>> IS THERE A LOSS OF MOMENTUM STABILITY OF COMMUNITIES.

>> IS THERE A LOSS OF MOMENTUM RIGHT NOW FOR CONSERVATIVE >> IS THERE A LOSS OF MOMENTUM RIGHT NOW FOR CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS?

RIGHT NOW FOR CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS?

>> I THINK THERE IS, BUT I'VE CHRISTIANS?

>> I THINK THERE IS, BUT I'VE NEVER HELD TO A VIEW ABOUT >> I THINK THERE IS, BUT I'VE NEVER HELD TO A VIEW ABOUT MARRIAGE FOR MAJORITARIAN NEVER HELD TO A VIEW ABOUT MARRIAGE FOR MAJORITARIAN REASONS.

MARRIAGE FOR MAJORITARIAN REASONS.

EVEN IF WE'RE IN THE MINORITY, REASONS.

EVEN IF WE'RE IN THE MINORITY, WE NEED TO BE SPEAKING TO THE EVEN IF WE'RE IN THE MINORITY, WE NEED TO BE SPEAKING TO THE COMMON GOOD TO SAY THIS IS, THIS WE NEED TO BE SPEAKING TO THE COMMON GOOD TO SAY THIS IS, THIS IS WHY MARRIAGE DEFINED COMMON GOOD TO SAY THIS IS, THIS IS WHY MARRIAGE DEFINED NATURALLY AND BIBLICALLY IS IS WHY MARRIAGE DEFINED NATURALLY AND BIBLICALLY IS SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT FOR NATURALLY AND BIBLICALLY IS SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT FOR ALL PEOPLE.

SIGNIFICANT AND IMPORTANT FOR ALL PEOPLE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALL PEOPLE.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT ANYONE ELSE'S RELATIONSHIPS THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT ANYONE ELSE'S RELATIONSHIPS ARE DEGRADED OR SOMEHOW PEOPLE THAT ANYONE ELSE'S RELATIONSHIPS ARE DEGRADED OR SOMEHOW PEOPLE ARE BEING LEGALLY PERSECUTED FOR ARE DEGRADED OR SOMEHOW PEOPLE ARE BEING LEGALLY PERSECUTED FOR THAT.

ARE BEING LEGALLY PERSECUTED FOR THAT.

>> MOORE HAS TAKEN ON A BROADER THAT.

>> MOORE HAS TAKEN ON A BROADER SLATE OF ISSUES AS WELL.

>> MOORE HAS TAKEN ON A BROADER SLATE OF ISSUES AS WELL.

HE IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE SLATE OF ISSUES AS WELL.

HE IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF WHAT HAS BECOME HE IS CONSIDERED ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF WHAT HAS BECOME KNOWN AS THE EVANGELICAL "ORPHAN FOUNDERS OF WHAT HAS BECOME KNOWN AS THE EVANGELICAL "ORPHAN CARE" MOVEMENT, WHICH ADVOCATES KNOWN AS THE EVANGELICAL "ORPHAN CARE" MOVEMENT, WHICH ADVOCATES ADOPTION AND OTHER WAYS TO HELP CARE" MOVEMENT, WHICH ADVOCATES ADOPTION AND OTHER WAYS TO HELP VULNERABLE CHILDREN AROUND THE ADOPTION AND OTHER WAYS TO HELP VULNERABLE CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD.

VULNERABLE CHILDREN AROUND THE WORLD.

IT'S A DEEPLY PERSONAL CRUSADE WORLD.

IT'S A DEEPLY PERSONAL CRUSADE FOR MOORE AND HIS WIFE MARIA.

IT'S A DEEPLY PERSONAL CRUSADE FOR MOORE AND HIS WIFE MARIA.

TWO OF THEIR FIVE SONS WERE FOR MOORE AND HIS WIFE MARIA.

TWO OF THEIR FIVE SONS WERE ADOPTED FROM RUSSIA.

TWO OF THEIR FIVE SONS WERE ADOPTED FROM RUSSIA.

>> SEEING AN ORPHANAGE FILLED ADOPTED FROM RUSSIA.

>> SEEING AN ORPHANAGE FILLED WITH CHILDREN NEEDING FAMILIES >> SEEING AN ORPHANAGE FILLED WITH CHILDREN NEEDING FAMILIES WITH NOWHERE TO TURN AND KNOWING WITH CHILDREN NEEDING FAMILIES WITH NOWHERE TO TURN AND KNOWING THAT THERE ARE ORPHANAGES AND WITH NOWHERE TO TURN AND KNOWING THAT THERE ARE ORPHANAGES AND GROUP HOMES AND FOSTER CARE THAT THERE ARE ORPHANAGES AND GROUP HOMES AND FOSTER CARE SYSTEMS ALL OVER THE WORLD, GROUP HOMES AND FOSTER CARE SYSTEMS ALL OVER THE WORLD, CHILDREN, LIKE MY OWN CHILDREN SYSTEMS ALL OVER THE WORLD, CHILDREN, LIKE MY OWN CHILDREN NOW, MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD, CHILDREN, LIKE MY OWN CHILDREN NOW, MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD, IS A HEARTBREAKING REALITY.

NOW, MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD, IS A HEARTBREAKING REALITY.

>> MOORE BELIEVES THERE IS A IS A HEARTBREAKING REALITY.

>> MOORE BELIEVES THERE IS A BIBLICAL MANDATE FOR THE >> MOORE BELIEVES THERE IS A BIBLICAL MANDATE FOR THE MOVEMENT.

BIBLICAL MANDATE FOR THE MOVEMENT.

>> SCRIPTURE TELLS US TO CARE MOVEMENT.

>> SCRIPTURE TELLS US TO CARE FOR THE FATHERLESS, THE WIDOW, >> SCRIPTURE TELLS US TO CARE FOR THE FATHERLESS, THE WIDOW, THE SOJOURNER IN THE LAND, AND FOR THE FATHERLESS, THE WIDOW, THE SOJOURNER IN THE LAND, AND THE SCRIPTURE ALSO TELLS US THAT THE SOJOURNER IN THE LAND, AND THE SCRIPTURE ALSO TELLS US THAT WE ARE THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN THE SCRIPTURE ALSO TELLS US THAT WE ARE THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ADOPTED INTO GOD'S FAMILY.

WE ARE THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ADOPTED INTO GOD'S FAMILY.

WE WERE ORPHANS SPIRITUALLY THE ADOPTED INTO GOD'S FAMILY.

WE WERE ORPHANS SPIRITUALLY THE BIBLE SAYS BUT NOW WE'RE WE WERE ORPHANS SPIRITUALLY THE BIBLE SAYS BUT NOW WE'RE CHILDREN, OR NOT ONLY CHILDREN, BIBLE SAYS BUT NOW WE'RE CHILDREN, OR NOT ONLY CHILDREN, THE BIBLE SAYS, BUT HEIRS.

CHILDREN, OR NOT ONLY CHILDREN, THE BIBLE SAYS, BUT HEIRS.

AND SO THE SCRIPTURE SAYS THE BIBLE SAYS, BUT HEIRS.

AND SO THE SCRIPTURE SAYS RECEIVE OTHERS AS YOU HAVE BEEN AND SO THE SCRIPTURE SAYS RECEIVE OTHERS AS YOU HAVE BEEN RECEIVED.

RECEIVE OTHERS AS YOU HAVE BEEN RECEIVED.

>> HE REJECTS RECENT CRITICISM RECEIVED.

>> HE REJECTS RECENT CRITICISM THAT THE ORPHAN CARE MOVEMENT >> HE REJECTS RECENT CRITICISM THAT THE ORPHAN CARE MOVEMENT HAS HELPED BOLSTER HUMAN THAT THE ORPHAN CARE MOVEMENT HAS HELPED BOLSTER HUMAN TRAFFICKING OF CHILDREN AND HAS HELPED BOLSTER HUMAN TRAFFICKING OF CHILDREN AND CORRUPTION IN SOME COUNTRIES.

TRAFFICKING OF CHILDREN AND CORRUPTION IN SOME COUNTRIES.

>> THE VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE CORRUPTION IN SOME COUNTRIES.

>> THE VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLING THE CHURCH TO CARE FOR >> THE VERY PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLING THE CHURCH TO CARE FOR ORPHANS ARE ALSO THOSE WHO ARE CALLING THE CHURCH TO CARE FOR ORPHANS ARE ALSO THOSE WHO ARE THE MOST INSISTENT ABOUT ORPHANS ARE ALSO THOSE WHO ARE THE MOST INSISTENT ABOUT FIGHTING HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND THE MOST INSISTENT ABOUT FIGHTING HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND CORRUPT PRACTICES AND SO I THINK FIGHTING HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND CORRUPT PRACTICES AND SO I THINK THAT'S AN UNFAIR CHARGE.

CORRUPT PRACTICES AND SO I THINK THAT'S AN UNFAIR CHARGE.

IT'S A MOVEMENT TO NOT ONLY THAT'S AN UNFAIR CHARGE.

IT'S A MOVEMENT TO NOT ONLY PROVIDE FAMILIES FOR THOSE IT'S A MOVEMENT TO NOT ONLY PROVIDE FAMILIES FOR THOSE CHILDREN WHO ARE IN NEED OF PROVIDE FAMILIES FOR THOSE CHILDREN WHO ARE IN NEED OF FAMILIES, AND ONLY THOSE CHILDREN WHO ARE IN NEED OF FAMILIES, AND ONLY THOSE CHILDREN WHO ARE LEGITIMATELY IN FAMILIES, AND ONLY THOSE CHILDREN WHO ARE LEGITIMATELY IN NEED OF FAMILIES, BUT ALSO TO CHILDREN WHO ARE LEGITIMATELY IN NEED OF FAMILIES, BUT ALSO TO ATTACK THE ROOT CAUSES OF THE NEED OF FAMILIES, BUT ALSO TO ATTACK THE ROOT CAUSES OF THE GLOBAL ORPHAN CRISIS, TO DEAL ATTACK THE ROOT CAUSES OF THE GLOBAL ORPHAN CRISIS, TO DEAL WITH POVERTY, TO DEAL WITH WAR, GLOBAL ORPHAN CRISIS, TO DEAL WITH POVERTY, TO DEAL WITH WAR, TO DEAL WITH GENOCIDE.

WITH POVERTY, TO DEAL WITH WAR, TO DEAL WITH GENOCIDE.

>> MOORE IS ALSO A VOCAL TO DEAL WITH GENOCIDE.

>> MOORE IS ALSO A VOCAL ADVOCATE FOR THE SOUTHERN >> MOORE IS ALSO A VOCAL ADVOCATE FOR THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION'S SUPPORT FOR ADVOCATE FOR THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION'S SUPPORT FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM.

BAPTIST CONVENTION'S SUPPORT FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM.

>> FINDING A JUST WAY TO MOVE IMMIGRATION REFORM.

>> FINDING A JUST WAY TO MOVE IMMIGRANT FAMILIES AND >> FINDING A JUST WAY TO MOVE IMMIGRANT FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES INTO THE MAINSTREAM IMMIGRANT FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES INTO THE MAINSTREAM OF AMERICAN SOCIETY IS A COMMUNITIES INTO THE MAINSTREAM OF AMERICAN SOCIETY IS A CHRISTIAN -- IS A DEEPLY HELD OF AMERICAN SOCIETY IS A CHRISTIAN -- IS A DEEPLY HELD CHRISTIAN NOTION.

CHRISTIAN -- IS A DEEPLY HELD CHRISTIAN NOTION.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE ON CHRISTIAN NOTION.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE ON EVERYTHING ABOUT HOW TO GET WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE ON EVERYTHING ABOUT HOW TO GET THERE, BUT I THINK THE BASIC EVERYTHING ABOUT HOW TO GET THERE, BUT I THINK THE BASIC VALUE STRUCTURES ARE THERE, THERE, BUT I THINK THE BASIC VALUE STRUCTURES ARE THERE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY VALUE STRUCTURES ARE THERE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS ARE AMONG WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS ARE AMONG THOSE CALLING MOST LOUDLY FOR EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANS ARE AMONG THOSE CALLING MOST LOUDLY FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM.

THOSE CALLING MOST LOUDLY FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM.

>> BEFORE BECOMING A THEOLOGIAN, IMMIGRATION REFORM.

>> BEFORE BECOMING A THEOLOGIAN, MOORE WORKED FOR CONSERVATIVE >> BEFORE BECOMING A THEOLOGIAN, MOORE WORKED FOR CONSERVATIVE MISSISSIPPI DEMOCRATIC MOORE WORKED FOR CONSERVATIVE MISSISSIPPI DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN GENE TAYLOR, AND IN MISSISSIPPI DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN GENE TAYLOR, AND IN KENTUCKY, HE WAS A REGISTERED CONGRESSMAN GENE TAYLOR, AND IN KENTUCKY, HE WAS A REGISTERED INDEPENDENT.

KENTUCKY, HE WAS A REGISTERED INDEPENDENT.

HE SAYS EVANGELICALS SHOULD BE INDEPENDENT.

HE SAYS EVANGELICALS SHOULD BE CAREFUL ABOUT BEING IDENTIFIED HE SAYS EVANGELICALS SHOULD BE CAREFUL ABOUT BEING IDENTIFIED WITH PARTISAN POLITICS.

CAREFUL ABOUT BEING IDENTIFIED WITH PARTISAN POLITICS.

>> WE WORK WITH PEOPLE OF GOOD WITH PARTISAN POLITICS.

>> WE WORK WITH PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL THAT WE CAN WORK WITH >> WE WORK WITH PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL THAT WE CAN WORK WITH ACROSS THE SPECTRUM, BUT WE DO WILL THAT WE CAN WORK WITH ACROSS THE SPECTRUM, BUT WE DO SO WITH A CERTAIN SENSE OF ACROSS THE SPECTRUM, BUT WE DO SO WITH A CERTAIN SENSE OF PROPHETIC DISTANCE.

SO WITH A CERTAIN SENSE OF PROPHETIC DISTANCE.

WE DON'T BELONG TO ANYONE'S PROPHETIC DISTANCE.

WE DON'T BELONG TO ANYONE'S POLITICAL PARTY.

WE DON'T BELONG TO ANYONE'S POLITICAL PARTY.

WE DON'T BELONG POLITICAL PARTY.

WE DON'T BELONG TO ANYONE'S ORGANIZATION, AND SO WE DON'T BELONG TO ANYONE'S ORGANIZATION, AND SO WE OUGHT TO HAVE THE FREEDOM TO ANYONE'S ORGANIZATION, AND SO WE OUGHT TO HAVE THE FREEDOM THEN TO SPEAK PROPHETICALLY, TO WE OUGHT TO HAVE THE FREEDOM THEN TO SPEAK PROPHETICALLY, TO BOTH PARTIES AND TO ALL PARTIES.

THEN TO SPEAK PROPHETICALLY, TO BOTH PARTIES AND TO ALL PARTIES.

>> HE'S CONVINCED THAT BOTH PARTIES AND TO ALL PARTIES.

>> HE'S CONVINCED THAT CHRISTIANS HAVE A RELIGIOUS >> HE'S CONVINCED THAT CHRISTIANS HAVE A RELIGIOUS OBLIGATION TO SPEAK UP ON MORAL CHRISTIANS HAVE A RELIGIOUS OBLIGATION TO SPEAK UP ON MORAL ISSUES.

OBLIGATION TO SPEAK UP ON MORAL ISSUES.

>> IF IN 1925 ALABAMA YOU'RE NOT ISSUES.

>> IF IN 1925 ALABAMA YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE QUESTION OF >> IF IN 1925 ALABAMA YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE QUESTION OF LYNCHING, THEN YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE QUESTION OF LYNCHING, THEN YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH SIN.

LYNCHING, THEN YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH SIN.

AND YOU'RE NOT THEN CALLING DEALING WITH SIN.

AND YOU'RE NOT THEN CALLING PEOPLE TO REPENT IT AND DEALING AND YOU'RE NOT THEN CALLING PEOPLE TO REPENT IT AND DEALING WITH QUESTIONS OF PUBLIC PEOPLE TO REPENT IT AND DEALING WITH QUESTIONS OF PUBLIC JUSTICE.

WITH QUESTIONS OF PUBLIC JUSTICE.

AND IF IN 2013 YOU'RE NOT JUSTICE.

AND IF IN 2013 YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING QUESTION OF ABORTION AND IF IN 2013 YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING QUESTION OF ABORTION AND OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND SO ADDRESSING QUESTION OF ABORTION AND OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND SO FORTH, YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE AND OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND SO FORTH, YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD.

FORTH, YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING THE WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD.

>> NEW SOUTHERN BAPTIST NUMBERS WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD.

>> NEW SOUTHERN BAPTIST NUMBERS DOCUMENT A DECLINE IN >> NEW SOUTHERN BAPTIST NUMBERS DOCUMENT A DECLINE IN DENOMINATIONAL MEMBERSHIP, DOCUMENT A DECLINE IN DENOMINATIONAL MEMBERSHIP, CHURCH ATTENDANCE AND BAPTISMS.

DENOMINATIONAL MEMBERSHIP, CHURCH ATTENDANCE AND BAPTISMS.

MOORE CONCEDES THAT IN MANY CHURCH ATTENDANCE AND BAPTISMS.

MOORE CONCEDES THAT IN MANY CASES, THE TRADITIONAL VALUES MOORE CONCEDES THAT IN MANY CASES, THE TRADITIONAL VALUES THEY HOLD ARE INCREASINGLY NOT CASES, THE TRADITIONAL VALUES THEY HOLD ARE INCREASINGLY NOT REFLECTED IN MAINSTREAM SOCIETY.

THEY HOLD ARE INCREASINGLY NOT REFLECTED IN MAINSTREAM SOCIETY.

>> I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST REFLECTED IN MAINSTREAM SOCIETY.

>> I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES FOR CONSERVATIVE >> I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES FOR CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS IS MOVING BEYOND A CHALLENGES FOR CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS IS MOVING BEYOND A BIBLE BELT MENTALITY, OR A MORAL CHRISTIANS IS MOVING BEYOND A BIBLE BELT MENTALITY, OR A MORAL MAJORITY MENTALITY, AND SEEING BIBLE BELT MENTALITY, OR A MORAL MAJORITY MENTALITY, AND SEEING OURSELVES INSTEAD AS IN MANY MAJORITY MENTALITY, AND SEEING OURSELVES INSTEAD AS IN MANY CASES A PROPHETIC MINORITY OURSELVES INSTEAD AS IN MANY CASES A PROPHETIC MINORITY SPEAKING TO A LARGER CULTURE CASES A PROPHETIC MINORITY SPEAKING TO A LARGER CULTURE ABOUT THINGS THAT MATTER.

SPEAKING TO A LARGER CULTURE ABOUT THINGS THAT MATTER.

>> BUT HE SAYS HIS WORK WITH ABOUT THINGS THAT MATTER.

>> BUT HE SAYS HIS WORK WITH SEMINARY STUDENTS GIVES HIM >> BUT HE SAYS HIS WORK WITH SEMINARY STUDENTS GIVES HIM CONFIDENCE THAT THOSE IN THE SEMINARY STUDENTS GIVES HIM CONFIDENCE THAT THOSE IN THE NEXT GENERATION WILL JOIN HIM.

CONFIDENCE THAT THOSE IN THE NEXT GENERATION WILL JOIN HIM.

>> WE'RE DISCIPLES.

WE'VE BEEN NEXT GENERATION WILL JOIN HIM.

>> WE'RE DISCIPLES.

WE'VE BEEN CALLED FORWARD WITH SOMEBODY >> WE'RE DISCIPLES.

WE'VE BEEN CALLED FORWARD WITH SOMEBODY ELSE'S AUTHORITY.

CALLED FORWARD WITH SOMEBODY ELSE'S AUTHORITY.

>> YOU HAVE DEEP, DEEP ELSE'S AUTHORITY.

>> YOU HAVE DEEP, DEEP CONVICTION AMONG MILLENNIAL >> YOU HAVE DEEP, DEEP CONVICTION AMONG MILLENNIAL CHRISTIANS, NOT ONLY IN THE CONVICTION AMONG MILLENNIAL CHRISTIANS, NOT ONLY IN THE UNITED STATES BUT AROUND THE CHRISTIANS, NOT ONLY IN THE UNITED STATES BUT AROUND THE WORLD, AND, AND GOD IS DOING UNITED STATES BUT AROUND THE WORLD, AND, AND GOD IS DOING SOME, SOME REMARKABLE THINGS, SO WORLD, AND, AND GOD IS DOING SOME, SOME REMARKABLE THINGS, SO I HAVE NOTHING BUT OPTIMISM AND SOME, SOME REMARKABLE THINGS, SO I HAVE NOTHING BUT OPTIMISM AND HOPE THERE.

I HAVE NOTHING BUT OPTIMISM AND HOPE THERE.

I'M KIM LAWTON IN LOUISVILLE.

HOPE THERE.

I'M KIM LAWTON IN LOUISVILLE.

>>> MANY CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN I'M KIM LAWTON IN LOUISVILLE.

>>> MANY CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN ACTIVISTS ARE ALREADY GEARING UP >>> MANY CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN ACTIVISTS ARE ALREADY GEARING UP FOR THE 2014 AND 2016 ELECTIONS.

ACTIVISTS ARE ALREADY GEARING UP FOR THE 2014 AND 2016 ELECTIONS.

THE FAITH AND FREEDOM COALITION FOR THE 2014 AND 2016 ELECTIONS.

THE FAITH AND FREEDOM COALITION HELD A MEETING IN WASHINGTON TO THE FAITH AND FREEDOM COALITION HELD A MEETING IN WASHINGTON TO RALLY SUPPORTERS AND PROMOTE NEW HELD A MEETING IN WASHINGTON TO RALLY SUPPORTERS AND PROMOTE NEW GET-OUT-THE VOTE PROJECTS.

RALLY SUPPORTERS AND PROMOTE NEW GET-OUT-THE VOTE PROJECTS.

THE GROUP HEARD FROM SEVERAL GET-OUT-THE VOTE PROJECTS.

THE GROUP HEARD FROM SEVERAL REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS THE GROUP HEARD FROM SEVERAL REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS CONSIDERED POSSIBLE PRESIDENTIAL REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS CONSIDERED POSSIBLE PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFULS.

CONSIDERED POSSIBLE PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFULS.

IN NORTH CAROLINA, MODERATE AND HOPEFULS.

IN NORTH CAROLINA, MODERATE AND LIBERAL RELIGIOUS LEADERS HAVE IN NORTH CAROLINA, MODERATE AND LIBERAL RELIGIOUS LEADERS HAVE BEEN FLEXING THEIR POLITICAL LIBERAL RELIGIOUS LEADERS HAVE BEEN FLEXING THEIR POLITICAL MUSCLES IN A SERIES OF PROTESTS BEEN FLEXING THEIR POLITICAL MUSCLES IN A SERIES OF PROTESTS THEY CALL "MORAL MONDAYS."

MUSCLES IN A SERIES OF PROTESTS THEY CALL "MORAL MONDAYS."

OVER THE PAST TWO MONTHS, MORE THEY CALL "MORAL MONDAYS."

OVER THE PAST TWO MONTHS, MORE THAN 300 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN OVER THE PAST TWO MONTHS, MORE THAN 300 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ARRESTED IN ACTS OF CIVIL THAN 300 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ARRESTED IN ACTS OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE AGAINST SEVERAL ARRESTED IN ACTS OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE AGAINST SEVERAL MEASURES ADOPTED BY THE DISOBEDIENCE AGAINST SEVERAL MEASURES ADOPTED BY THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY LEGISLATURE.

MEASURES ADOPTED BY THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY LEGISLATURE.

PROTESTERS SAY THE MEASURES HURT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY LEGISLATURE.

PROTESTERS SAY THE MEASURES HURT POOR PEOPLE.

PROTESTERS SAY THE MEASURES HURT POOR PEOPLE.

>>> AND AS LEADERS OF THE GROUP POOR PEOPLE.

>>> AND AS LEADERS OF THE GROUP OF EIGHT INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS >>> AND AS LEADERS OF THE GROUP OF EIGHT INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS PREPARE TO MEET IN NORTHERN OF EIGHT INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS PREPARE TO MEET IN NORTHERN IRELAND NEXT WEEK, FAITH-BASED PREPARE TO MEET IN NORTHERN IRELAND NEXT WEEK, FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS URGED THEM TO IRELAND NEXT WEEK, FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATIONS URGED THEM TO CONSIDER HOW THEIR POLICIES ORGANIZATIONS URGED THEM TO CONSIDER HOW THEIR POLICIES AFFECT THE POOR.

CONSIDER HOW THEIR POLICIES AFFECT THE POOR.

AT A WASHINGTON BRIEFING, AID AFFECT THE POOR.

AT A WASHINGTON BRIEFING, AID GROUP LEADERS HIGHLIGHTED AT A WASHINGTON BRIEFING, AID GROUP LEADERS HIGHLIGHTED CONCERNS INCLUDING THE GROUP LEADERS HIGHLIGHTED CONCERNS INCLUDING THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS IN SYRIA, CONCERNS INCLUDING THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS IN SYRIA, FOOD SECURITY AND ONGOING HUMANITARIAN CRISIS IN SYRIA, FOOD SECURITY AND ONGOING ECONOMIC CORRUPTION IN MANY FOOD SECURITY AND ONGOING ECONOMIC CORRUPTION IN MANY REGIONS.

ECONOMIC CORRUPTION IN MANY REGIONS.

>> WE CANNOT LIVE IN A MORAL WAY REGIONS.

>> WE CANNOT LIVE IN A MORAL WAY KNOWING THAT ONE BILLION PEOPLE >> WE CANNOT LIVE IN A MORAL WAY KNOWING THAT ONE BILLION PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH LIVE IN ABJECT KNOWING THAT ONE BILLION PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH LIVE IN ABJECT POVERTY.

ON THIS EARTH LIVE IN ABJECT POVERTY.

THE G-8 LEADERS WILL BE MEETING POVERTY.

THE G-8 LEADERS WILL BE MEETING AT A NORTHERN IRELAND RESORT THE G-8 LEADERS WILL BE MEETING AT A NORTHERN IRELAND RESORT NEAR THE TOWN OF ENNISKILLEN.

AT A NORTHERN IRELAND RESORT NEAR THE TOWN OF ENNISKILLEN.

THAT AREA SYMBOLIZES THE LONG NEAR THE TOWN OF ENNISKILLEN.

THAT AREA SYMBOLIZES THE LONG HISTORY OF VIOLENCE BETWEEN THE THAT AREA SYMBOLIZES THE LONG HISTORY OF VIOLENCE BETWEEN THE PROTESTANTS AND CATHOLICS IN HISTORY OF VIOLENCE BETWEEN THE PROTESTANTS AND CATHOLICS IN NORTHERN IRELAND.

PROTESTANTS AND CATHOLICS IN NORTHERN IRELAND.

BUT AS DAVID TERESHCHUK REPORTS, NORTHERN IRELAND.

BUT AS DAVID TERESHCHUK REPORTS, ENNISKILLEN HAS A HISTORY NOT BUT AS DAVID TERESHCHUK REPORTS, ENNISKILLEN HAS A HISTORY NOT ONLY OF BLOODSHED, BUT ALSO OF ENNISKILLEN HAS A HISTORY NOT ONLY OF BLOODSHED, BUT ALSO OF FORGIVENESS.

ONLY OF BLOODSHED, BUT ALSO OF FORGIVENESS.

>> THE SMALL NORTHERN IRISH FORGIVENESS.

>> THE SMALL NORTHERN IRISH COUNTRY TOWN OF ENNISKILLEN >> THE SMALL NORTHERN IRISH COUNTRY TOWN OF ENNISKILLEN SEEMS LIKE THE PERFECT PICTURE COUNTRY TOWN OF ENNISKILLEN SEEMS LIKE THE PERFECT PICTURE OF RURAL CALM.

SEEMS LIKE THE PERFECT PICTURE OF RURAL CALM.

BUT ITS HISTORY SEETHES WITH OF RURAL CALM.

BUT ITS HISTORY SEETHES WITH VIOLENCE.

BUT ITS HISTORY SEETHES WITH VIOLENCE.

MOST INFAMOUSLY IN MODERN TIMES VIOLENCE.

MOST INFAMOUSLY IN MODERN TIMES ON THE SUNDAY OBSERVED AS MOST INFAMOUSLY IN MODERN TIMES ON THE SUNDAY OBSERVED AS "REMEMBRANCE DAY" IN NOVEMBER ON THE SUNDAY OBSERVED AS "REMEMBRANCE DAY" IN NOVEMBER 1987, THE MORNING'S PEACE WAS "REMEMBRANCE DAY" IN NOVEMBER 1987, THE MORNING'S PEACE WAS SHATTERED BY A DEVASTATING BOMB.

1987, THE MORNING'S PEACE WAS SHATTERED BY A DEVASTATING BOMB.

ELEVEN PEOPLE DIED THAT DAY, AND SHATTERED BY A DEVASTATING BOMB.

ELEVEN PEOPLE DIED THAT DAY, AND SIXTY MORE WERE SERIOUSLY ELEVEN PEOPLE DIED THAT DAY, AND SIXTY MORE WERE SERIOUSLY WOUNDED.

THE BOMB HAD BEEN SIXTY MORE WERE SERIOUSLY WOUNDED.

THE BOMB HAD BEEN PLANTED NEAR A MEMORIAL HONORING WOUNDED.

THE BOMB HAD BEEN PLANTED NEAR A MEMORIAL HONORING THE DEAD OF WORLD WARS I AND II.

PLANTED NEAR A MEMORIAL HONORING THE DEAD OF WORLD WARS I AND II.

IT WAS THE WORK OF THE IRISH THE DEAD OF WORLD WARS I AND II.

IT WAS THE WORK OF THE IRISH REPUBLICAN ARMY, THE IT WAS THE WORK OF THE IRISH REPUBLICAN ARMY, THE PREDOMINANTLY ROMAN CATHOLIC REPUBLICAN ARMY, THE PREDOMINANTLY ROMAN CATHOLIC ORGANIZATION THAT USED FORCE FOR PREDOMINANTLY ROMAN CATHOLIC ORGANIZATION THAT USED FORCE FOR ADVANCING IRISH ASPIRATIONS TO ORGANIZATION THAT USED FORCE FOR ADVANCING IRISH ASPIRATIONS TO GET BRITAIN OUT OF NORTHERN ADVANCING IRISH ASPIRATIONS TO GET BRITAIN OUT OF NORTHERN IRELAND.

GET BRITAIN OUT OF NORTHERN IRELAND.

THOSE KILLED WERE ALL CIVILIANS, IRELAND.

THOSE KILLED WERE ALL CIVILIANS, LARGELY ELDERLY COUPLES THOSE KILLED WERE ALL CIVILIANS, LARGELY ELDERLY COUPLES GATHERING TO WATCH THE DAY'S LARGELY ELDERLY COUPLES GATHERING TO WATCH THE DAY'S MEMORIAL PARADE, PLUS A 20-YEAR GATHERING TO WATCH THE DAY'S MEMORIAL PARADE, PLUS A 20-YEAR OLD STUDENT NURSE, MARIE WILSON.

MEMORIAL PARADE, PLUS A 20-YEAR OLD STUDENT NURSE, MARIE WILSON.

THE DEAD WERE ALSO ALL OLD STUDENT NURSE, MARIE WILSON.

THE DEAD WERE ALSO ALL PROTESTANTS, MEMBERS OF THE THE DEAD WERE ALSO ALL PROTESTANTS, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY GENERALLY LABELED PROTESTANTS, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY GENERALLY LABELED "LOYALIST" BECAUSE THEY REMAIN COMMUNITY GENERALLY LABELED "LOYALIST" BECAUSE THEY REMAIN LOYAL TO BRITAIN'S RULE OVER "LOYALIST" BECAUSE THEY REMAIN LOYAL TO BRITAIN'S RULE OVER NORTHERN IRELAND.

LOYAL TO BRITAIN'S RULE OVER NORTHERN IRELAND.

WITH THE CARNAGE, EMOTIONS NORTHERN IRELAND.

WITH THE CARNAGE, EMOTIONS INEVITABLY RAN HIGH AMONG WITH THE CARNAGE, EMOTIONS INEVITABLY RAN HIGH AMONG POLITICAL LEADERS AND RIGHT INEVITABLY RAN HIGH AMONG POLITICAL LEADERS AND RIGHT ACROSS THE SECTARIAN DIVIDE.

POLITICAL LEADERS AND RIGHT ACROSS THE SECTARIAN DIVIDE.

>> IT WAS SO APPALLING.

I COULD ACROSS THE SECTARIAN DIVIDE.

>> IT WAS SO APPALLING.

I COULD SCARCELY BELIEVE IT, BECAUSE >> IT WAS SO APPALLING.

I COULD SCARCELY BELIEVE IT, BECAUSE ANYONE WHO WOULD DO SUCH A SCARCELY BELIEVE IT, BECAUSE ANYONE WHO WOULD DO SUCH A TERRIBLE THING WOULD BE ANYONE WHO WOULD DO SUCH A TERRIBLE THING WOULD BE CONDEMNED THE WORLD OVER BY TERRIBLE THING WOULD BE CONDEMNED THE WORLD OVER BY EVERY NATION.

CONDEMNED THE WORLD OVER BY EVERY NATION.

AND I HOPE THAT WILL HAPPEN.

EVERY NATION.

AND I HOPE THAT WILL HAPPEN.

>> BOTH COMMUNITIES WOULD HAVE AND I HOPE THAT WILL HAPPEN.

>> BOTH COMMUNITIES WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH SHOCKED AT THE >> BOTH COMMUNITIES WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH SHOCKED AT THE BOMBING.

BEEN MUCH SHOCKED AT THE BOMBING.

>> FOR ME, A FEELING OF SHAME BOMBING.

>> FOR ME, A FEELING OF SHAME THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS MIGHT >> FOR ME, A FEELING OF SHAME THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS MIGHT EVEN HAVE BEEN DONE IN MY NAME.

THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS MIGHT EVEN HAVE BEEN DONE IN MY NAME.

IT WAS ALMOST SOMETHING EVEN HAVE BEEN DONE IN MY NAME.

IT WAS ALMOST SOMETHING SACRILEGIOUS TO DO, YOU KNOW, TO IT WAS ALMOST SOMETHING SACRILEGIOUS TO DO, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE A MOMENT OF REMEMBRANCE AND SACRILEGIOUS TO DO, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE A MOMENT OF REMEMBRANCE AND TO VIOLATE US IN THAT WAY.

TAKE A MOMENT OF REMEMBRANCE AND TO VIOLATE US IN THAT WAY.

>> THE EXPLOSION TERRORIZED THE TO VIOLATE US IN THAT WAY.

>> THE EXPLOSION TERRORIZED THE COMMUNITY.

>> THE EXPLOSION TERRORIZED THE COMMUNITY.

SOME FOLK WOULD TELL YOU THAT COMMUNITY.

SOME FOLK WOULD TELL YOU THAT THEY DO FEEL BITTER AND ALWAYS SOME FOLK WOULD TELL YOU THAT THEY DO FEEL BITTER AND ALWAYS WILL FEEL BITTER.

THEY DO FEEL BITTER AND ALWAYS WILL FEEL BITTER.

>> BUT THEN THE DAY AFTER THE WILL FEEL BITTER.

>> BUT THEN THE DAY AFTER THE BOMB, SOMETHING REMARKABLE >> BUT THEN THE DAY AFTER THE BOMB, SOMETHING REMARKABLE HAPPENED.

GORDON WILSON, A BOMB, SOMETHING REMARKABLE HAPPENED.

GORDON WILSON, A PROMINENT PROTESTANT BUSINESSMAN HAPPENED.

GORDON WILSON, A PROMINENT PROTESTANT BUSINESSMAN WHO WAS FATHER OF THE YOUNGEST PROMINENT PROTESTANT BUSINESSMAN WHO WAS FATHER OF THE YOUNGEST VICTIM, MARIE WILSON, WENT ON WHO WAS FATHER OF THE YOUNGEST VICTIM, MARIE WILSON, WENT ON LOCAL TELEVISION.

VICTIM, MARIE WILSON, WENT ON LOCAL TELEVISION.

HE DESCRIBED HOLDING HIS LOCAL TELEVISION.

HE DESCRIBED HOLDING HIS DAUGHTER'S HAND AS SHE LAY HE DESCRIBED HOLDING HIS DAUGHTER'S HAND AS SHE LAY DYING.

DAUGHTER'S HAND AS SHE LAY DYING.

AND HE ASTONISHED THE AUDIENCE DYING.

AND HE ASTONISHED THE AUDIENCE BY SAYING IT WAS ESSENTIAL THAT AND HE ASTONISHED THE AUDIENCE BY SAYING IT WAS ESSENTIAL THAT THE BOMBERS BE FORGIVEN.

BY SAYING IT WAS ESSENTIAL THAT THE BOMBERS BE FORGIVEN.

>> I BEAR NO ILL-WILL TO THE BOMBERS BE FORGIVEN.

>> I BEAR NO ILL-WILL TO ANYBODY, NOR DOES MY WIFE.

>> I BEAR NO ILL-WILL TO ANYBODY, NOR DOES MY WIFE.

I PRAYED FOR THEM LAST NIGHT, ANYBODY, NOR DOES MY WIFE.

I PRAYED FOR THEM LAST NIGHT, SINCERELY.

I PRAYED FOR THEM LAST NIGHT, SINCERELY.

AND I HOPE I GET THE GRACE TO SINCERELY.

AND I HOPE I GET THE GRACE TO CONTINUE TO DO SO."

AND I HOPE I GET THE GRACE TO CONTINUE TO DO SO."

>> HERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO HAD CONTINUE TO DO SO."

>> HERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO HAD LOST SO MUCH, BOTH IN TERMS OF >> HERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO HAD LOST SO MUCH, BOTH IN TERMS OF HIS OWN PHYSICAL HEALTH, BUT IN LOST SO MUCH, BOTH IN TERMS OF HIS OWN PHYSICAL HEALTH, BUT IN TERMS OF FAMILY.

HIS OWN PHYSICAL HEALTH, BUT IN TERMS OF FAMILY.

IT WAS ELECTRIC.

TERMS OF FAMILY.

IT WAS ELECTRIC.

FORGIVENESS IS, LIKE ALL GRACE, IT WAS ELECTRIC.

FORGIVENESS IS, LIKE ALL GRACE, IT'S A GIFT.

FORGIVENESS IS, LIKE ALL GRACE, IT'S A GIFT.

I MEAN, HE WAS EXTRAORDINARILY IT'S A GIFT.

I MEAN, HE WAS EXTRAORDINARILY GRACED, YOU MIGHT SAY.

I MEAN, HE WAS EXTRAORDINARILY GRACED, YOU MIGHT SAY.

>> GORDON WILSON'S EXAMPLE LED GRACED, YOU MIGHT SAY.

>> GORDON WILSON'S EXAMPLE LED TO A SURGE OF EFFORTS AT >> GORDON WILSON'S EXAMPLE LED TO A SURGE OF EFFORTS AT RECONCILING THE TOWN'S TO A SURGE OF EFFORTS AT RECONCILING THE TOWN'S COMMUNITIES.

RECONCILING THE TOWN'S COMMUNITIES.

THERE WERE OTHER EFFORTS, TOO, COMMUNITIES.

THERE WERE OTHER EFFORTS, TOO, OVER THE YEARS LIKE THIS LOCAL THERE WERE OTHER EFFORTS, TOO, OVER THE YEARS LIKE THIS LOCAL BRANCH OF THE ULSTER PROJECT, OVER THE YEARS LIKE THIS LOCAL BRANCH OF THE ULSTER PROJECT, WHICH FOCUSES ON YOUNG PEOPLE.

BRANCH OF THE ULSTER PROJECT, WHICH FOCUSES ON YOUNG PEOPLE.

♪ WHICH FOCUSES ON YOUNG PEOPLE.

♪ THEY'RE REHEARSING FOR A ♪ THEY'RE REHEARSING FOR A FORTHCOMING FUND-RAISER CONCERT THEY'RE REHEARSING FOR A FORTHCOMING FUND-RAISER CONCERT TO BE HELD WHEN THE WORLD'S EYES FORTHCOMING FUND-RAISER CONCERT TO BE HELD WHEN THE WORLD'S EYES HAVE TURNED TOWARD ENNISKILLEN TO BE HELD WHEN THE WORLD'S EYES HAVE TURNED TOWARD ENNISKILLEN FOR THE G-8 SUMMIT.

HAVE TURNED TOWARD ENNISKILLEN FOR THE G-8 SUMMIT.

IT'S BEEN AN UNSEASONABLY WET FOR THE G-8 SUMMIT.

IT'S BEEN AN UNSEASONABLY WET AND COLD SPRING AND EARLY SUMMER IT'S BEEN AN UNSEASONABLY WET AND COLD SPRING AND EARLY SUMMER IN ENNISKILLEN AS THE AREA HAS AND COLD SPRING AND EARLY SUMMER IN ENNISKILLEN AS THE AREA HAS BEEN PREPARING TO GREET THE IN ENNISKILLEN AS THE AREA HAS BEEN PREPARING TO GREET THE WORLD'S TOP EIGHT LEADERS.

BEEN PREPARING TO GREET THE WORLD'S TOP EIGHT LEADERS.

BUT THE WARMTH OF COOPERATION WORLD'S TOP EIGHT LEADERS.

BUT THE WARMTH OF COOPERATION AND RECONCILIATION SHOWS NO SIGN BUT THE WARMTH OF COOPERATION AND RECONCILIATION SHOWS NO SIGN OF COOLING BETWEEN THE AREA'S AND RECONCILIATION SHOWS NO SIGN OF COOLING BETWEEN THE AREA'S TWO MAIN FAITH AND CULTURAL OF COOLING BETWEEN THE AREA'S TWO MAIN FAITH AND CULTURAL TRADITIONS, EXEMPLIFIED BY THE TWO MAIN FAITH AND CULTURAL TRADITIONS, EXEMPLIFIED BY THE PROTESTANT CATHEDRAL RIGHT HERE TRADITIONS, EXEMPLIFIED BY THE PROTESTANT CATHEDRAL RIGHT HERE AND ITS UNCOMMONLY CLOSE PROTESTANT CATHEDRAL RIGHT HERE AND ITS UNCOMMONLY CLOSE NEIGHBOR, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND ITS UNCOMMONLY CLOSE NEIGHBOR, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH JUST ACROSS THE STREET.

NEIGHBOR, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH JUST ACROSS THE STREET.

BRIDGE-BUILDING HAS NOT BEEN JUST ACROSS THE STREET.

BRIDGE-BUILDING HAS NOT BEEN EASY.

BRIDGE-BUILDING HAS NOT BEEN EASY.

NORTHERN IRELAND'S DIVISIONS EASY.

NORTHERN IRELAND'S DIVISIONS HAVE RUN VERY DEEP, WITH THE NORTHERN IRELAND'S DIVISIONS HAVE RUN VERY DEEP, WITH THE ONSET OF VIOLENCE IN THE LATE HAVE RUN VERY DEEP, WITH THE ONSET OF VIOLENCE IN THE LATE 1960S ONWARD, AND EVEN THROUGH ONSET OF VIOLENCE IN THE LATE 1960S ONWARD, AND EVEN THROUGH THE PEACE-MAKING NEGOTIATIONS OF 1960S ONWARD, AND EVEN THROUGH THE PEACE-MAKING NEGOTIATIONS OF RECENT YEARS, NOTABLY THE THE PEACE-MAKING NEGOTIATIONS OF RECENT YEARS, NOTABLY THE MULTIPARTY GOOD FRIDAY RECENT YEARS, NOTABLY THE MULTIPARTY GOOD FRIDAY AGREEMENT, SIGNED IN 1998.

MULTIPARTY GOOD FRIDAY AGREEMENT, SIGNED IN 1998.

TONY BLAIR LED THAT EFFORT AS AGREEMENT, SIGNED IN 1998.

TONY BLAIR LED THAT EFFORT AS BRITISH PRIME MINISTER, AND TONY BLAIR LED THAT EFFORT AS BRITISH PRIME MINISTER, AND UNITED STATES ENVOY GEORGE BRITISH PRIME MINISTER, AND UNITED STATES ENVOY GEORGE MITCHELL CHAIRED THE TALKS.

UNITED STATES ENVOY GEORGE MITCHELL CHAIRED THE TALKS.

BUT EVEN SINCE THAT BREAKTHROUGH MITCHELL CHAIRED THE TALKS.

BUT EVEN SINCE THAT BREAKTHROUGH FOR PEACE, THERE HAVE BEEN AND BUT EVEN SINCE THAT BREAKTHROUGH FOR PEACE, THERE HAVE BEEN AND STILL ARE SECTARIAN FOR PEACE, THERE HAVE BEEN AND STILL ARE SECTARIAN CONFRONTATIONS.

STILL ARE SECTARIAN CONFRONTATIONS.

IN ENNISKILLEN, THE TWO CONFRONTATIONS.

IN ENNISKILLEN, THE TWO POPULATION GROUPS STILL LARGELY IN ENNISKILLEN, THE TWO POPULATION GROUPS STILL LARGELY LIVE SEPARATELY, OFTEN WITH POPULATION GROUPS STILL LARGELY LIVE SEPARATELY, OFTEN WITH SIGNS OF THEIR DIFFERENCES, LIVE SEPARATELY, OFTEN WITH SIGNS OF THEIR DIFFERENCES, FLAGS, EMBLEMS, AND GRAFFITI, SIGNS OF THEIR DIFFERENCES, FLAGS, EMBLEMS, AND GRAFFITI, DEFIANTLY MARKING OUT THEIR FLAGS, EMBLEMS, AND GRAFFITI, DEFIANTLY MARKING OUT THEIR TERRITORIES.

DEFIANTLY MARKING OUT THEIR TERRITORIES.

CROSS-COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS, LIKE TERRITORIES.

CROSS-COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS, LIKE JAMES MCLOUGHLIN OF THE ULSTER CROSS-COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS, LIKE JAMES MCLOUGHLIN OF THE ULSTER PROJECT, KNOW THEY ARE TAKING JAMES MCLOUGHLIN OF THE ULSTER PROJECT, KNOW THEY ARE TAKING SMALL STEPS, BUT VALUABLE ONES.

PROJECT, KNOW THEY ARE TAKING SMALL STEPS, BUT VALUABLE ONES.

AND THEIR WORK IS MOST EFFECTIVE SMALL STEPS, BUT VALUABLE ONES.

AND THEIR WORK IS MOST EFFECTIVE WITH THE MUCH YOUNGER SET.

AND THEIR WORK IS MOST EFFECTIVE WITH THE MUCH YOUNGER SET.

>> THEY'RE NOT AS BLINKERED AS WITH THE MUCH YOUNGER SET.

>> THEY'RE NOT AS BLINKERED AS MAYBE OLDER TEENAGERS OR PEOPLE >> THEY'RE NOT AS BLINKERED AS MAYBE OLDER TEENAGERS OR PEOPLE OF MY AGE GROUP WOULD BE.

MAYBE OLDER TEENAGERS OR PEOPLE OF MY AGE GROUP WOULD BE.

>> IT'S THE SCHOOL UNIFORMS THAT OF MY AGE GROUP WOULD BE.

>> IT'S THE SCHOOL UNIFORMS THAT MARK OUT THE FAITH OF THESE >> IT'S THE SCHOOL UNIFORMS THAT MARK OUT THE FAITH OF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE.

MARK OUT THE FAITH OF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE.

PREDOMINANTLY GREEN FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.

PREDOMINANTLY GREEN FOR CATHOLICS, PREDOMINANTLY BLUE PREDOMINANTLY GREEN FOR CATHOLICS, PREDOMINANTLY BLUE FOR PROTESTANTS.

CATHOLICS, PREDOMINANTLY BLUE FOR PROTESTANTS.

THE PROJECT DEMANDS COOPERATION FOR PROTESTANTS.

THE PROJECT DEMANDS COOPERATION REGARDLESS OF BACKGROUND, AND THE PROJECT DEMANDS COOPERATION REGARDLESS OF BACKGROUND, AND CAN EVEN MEAN THE BEGINNINGS OF REGARDLESS OF BACKGROUND, AND CAN EVEN MEAN THE BEGINNINGS OF FRIENDSHIP.

CAN EVEN MEAN THE BEGINNINGS OF FRIENDSHIP.

>> AFTER THE FIRST THREE OR FOUR FRIENDSHIP.

>> AFTER THE FIRST THREE OR FOUR WEEKS YOU'LL SEE TWO OR THREE OF >> AFTER THE FIRST THREE OR FOUR WEEKS YOU'LL SEE TWO OR THREE OF THEM HANGING AROUND TOWN WEEKS YOU'LL SEE TWO OR THREE OF THEM HANGING AROUND TOWN TOGETHER.

THEM HANGING AROUND TOWN TOGETHER.

THAT TRADITIONALLY WOULDN'T HAVE TOGETHER.

THAT TRADITIONALLY WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED BECAUSE ONE GOES TO ONE THAT TRADITIONALLY WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED BECAUSE ONE GOES TO ONE SCHOOL AND ONE GOES TO ANOTHER.

HAPPENED BECAUSE ONE GOES TO ONE SCHOOL AND ONE GOES TO ANOTHER.

>> ONE BIG INCENTIVE GETTING SCHOOL AND ONE GOES TO ANOTHER.

>> ONE BIG INCENTIVE GETTING YOUNGSTERS INVOLVED IS AN ANNUAL >> ONE BIG INCENTIVE GETTING YOUNGSTERS INVOLVED IS AN ANNUAL TRIP TO THE UNITED STATES, WHERE YOUNGSTERS INVOLVED IS AN ANNUAL TRIP TO THE UNITED STATES, WHERE FOR A MONTH THEY WILL GET TO TRIP TO THE UNITED STATES, WHERE FOR A MONTH THEY WILL GET TO EXPERIENCE A SOCIETY WHERE FOR A MONTH THEY WILL GET TO EXPERIENCE A SOCIETY WHERE SECTARIAN DIVISIONS ARE RARELY EXPERIENCE A SOCIETY WHERE SECTARIAN DIVISIONS ARE RARELY SO DOMINANT AS AT HOME.

SECTARIAN DIVISIONS ARE RARELY SO DOMINANT AS AT HOME.

>> THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE DO WE SO DOMINANT AS AT HOME.

>> THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE DO WE HOPE WILL SNOWBALL, AND THEN AS >> THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE DO WE HOPE WILL SNOWBALL, AND THEN AS WE TRAVEL TO THE AIRPORT TO FLY HOPE WILL SNOWBALL, AND THEN AS WE TRAVEL TO THE AIRPORT TO FLY TO AMERICA, THEY'RE ONE GROUP.

WE TRAVEL TO THE AIRPORT TO FLY TO AMERICA, THEY'RE ONE GROUP.

>> MCLOUGHLIN HIMSELF WAS IN THE TO AMERICA, THEY'RE ONE GROUP.

>> MCLOUGHLIN HIMSELF WAS IN THE GROUP THAT TRAVELED OVER FOR >> MCLOUGHLIN HIMSELF WAS IN THE GROUP THAT TRAVELED OVER FOR THEIR US VISIT TWELVE YEARS AGO.

GROUP THAT TRAVELED OVER FOR THEIR US VISIT TWELVE YEARS AGO.

>> IT WAS TRULY A LIFE-CHANGING THEIR US VISIT TWELVE YEARS AGO.

>> IT WAS TRULY A LIFE-CHANGING EXPERIENCE FOR ME.

>> IT WAS TRULY A LIFE-CHANGING EXPERIENCE FOR ME.

THE ULSTER PROJECT ALLOWED ME TO EXPERIENCE FOR ME.

THE ULSTER PROJECT ALLOWED ME TO TAKE THOSE BLINKERS OFF, THOSE THE ULSTER PROJECT ALLOWED ME TO TAKE THOSE BLINKERS OFF, THOSE BLINKERS OF SOCIETY, AND SEE TAKE THOSE BLINKERS OFF, THOSE BLINKERS OF SOCIETY, AND SEE THAT THE OTHER SIDE WERE NO BLINKERS OF SOCIETY, AND SEE THAT THE OTHER SIDE WERE NO DIFFERENT.

THAT THE OTHER SIDE WERE NO DIFFERENT.

>> A BOOST FOR ENNISKILLEN'S DIFFERENT.

>> A BOOST FOR ENNISKILLEN'S BRIDGE-BUILDING CAME FROM >> A BOOST FOR ENNISKILLEN'S BRIDGE-BUILDING CAME FROM BRITAIN'S QUEEN ELIZABETH.

WHILE BRIDGE-BUILDING CAME FROM BRITAIN'S QUEEN ELIZABETH.

WHILE CELEBRATING HER 50 YEARS ON THE BRITAIN'S QUEEN ELIZABETH.

WHILE CELEBRATING HER 50 YEARS ON THE THRONE LAST YEAR, SHE VISITED CELEBRATING HER 50 YEARS ON THE THRONE LAST YEAR, SHE VISITED THE TOWN FOR A RELIGIOUS THRONE LAST YEAR, SHE VISITED THE TOWN FOR A RELIGIOUS SERVICE.

THE TOWN FOR A RELIGIOUS SERVICE.

NOW, A WORK OF ART SERVICE.

NOW, A WORK OF ART COMMEMORATING THAT EVENT IS NOW, A WORK OF ART COMMEMORATING THAT EVENT IS ARRIVING.

COMMEMORATING THAT EVENT IS ARRIVING.

IT WAS CREATED BY HECK FOR ARRIVING.

IT WAS CREATED BY HECK FOR McDONNELL, ONE OF IRELAND'S IT WAS CREATED BY HECK FOR McDONNELL, ONE OF IRELAND'S LEADING PAINTERS, AND IT'S ON McDONNELL, ONE OF IRELAND'S LEADING PAINTERS, AND IT'S ON ITS WAY TO BE DISPLAYED AT THE LEADING PAINTERS, AND IT'S ON ITS WAY TO BE DISPLAYED AT THE INTERNATIONAL SUMMIT.

ITS WAY TO BE DISPLAYED AT THE INTERNATIONAL SUMMIT.

>> YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY OF INTERNATIONAL SUMMIT.

>> YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY OF ENNISKILLEN COMING TOGETHER.

>> YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY OF ENNISKILLEN COMING TOGETHER.

>> THE SERVICE BEGAN IN THE ENNISKILLEN COMING TOGETHER.

>> THE SERVICE BEGAN IN THE PROTESTANT CATHEDRAL, BUT THE >> THE SERVICE BEGAN IN THE PROTESTANT CATHEDRAL, BUT THE QUEEN THEN LED THE CONGREGATION PROTESTANT CATHEDRAL, BUT THE QUEEN THEN LED THE CONGREGATION ACROSS THE STREET TO CONTINUE IN QUEEN THEN LED THE CONGREGATION ACROSS THE STREET TO CONTINUE IN THE CATHOLIC PARISH CHURCH, AND ACROSS THE STREET TO CONTINUE IN THE CATHOLIC PARISH CHURCH, AND SHE WAS WELCOMED BY FATHER THE CATHOLIC PARISH CHURCH, AND SHE WAS WELCOMED BY FATHER O'REILLY.

SHE WAS WELCOMED BY FATHER O'REILLY.

>> HE IS THERE REPRESENTING THIS O'REILLY.

>> HE IS THERE REPRESENTING THIS COMMUNITY WHICH HAS BEEN AT >> HE IS THERE REPRESENTING THIS COMMUNITY WHICH HAS BEEN AT LOGGERHEADS WITH ALL THAT'S GONE COMMUNITY WHICH HAS BEEN AT LOGGERHEADS WITH ALL THAT'S GONE ON IN NORTHERN IRELAND.

LOGGERHEADS WITH ALL THAT'S GONE ON IN NORTHERN IRELAND.

>> SHE REPRESENTS MONARCHY FROM ON IN NORTHERN IRELAND.

>> SHE REPRESENTS MONARCHY FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF HISTORY.

>> SHE REPRESENTS MONARCHY FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF HISTORY.

IT'S A WAY THAT PEOPLE DO STILL THE POINT OF VIEW OF HISTORY.

IT'S A WAY THAT PEOPLE DO STILL FEEL HERE, IN THE SAME WAY AS IT'S A WAY THAT PEOPLE DO STILL FEEL HERE, IN THE SAME WAY AS THE FLAG CAN BE FOR SOME AN FEEL HERE, IN THE SAME WAY AS THE FLAG CAN BE FOR SOME AN ABRASIVE KIND OF SYMBOL.

THE FLAG CAN BE FOR SOME AN ABRASIVE KIND OF SYMBOL.

>> BUT ENNISKILLEN'S ABRASIVE KIND OF SYMBOL.

>> BUT ENNISKILLEN'S BRIDGE-BUILDERS, INCLUDING MANY >> BUT ENNISKILLEN'S BRIDGE-BUILDERS, INCLUDING MANY ROMAN CATHOLICS, CHOSE TO SEE BRIDGE-BUILDERS, INCLUDING MANY ROMAN CATHOLICS, CHOSE TO SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

ROMAN CATHOLICS, CHOSE TO SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

IN THIS CASE THE QUEEN CAME TO THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

IN THIS CASE THE QUEEN CAME TO REPRESENT IF NOT POLITICAL UNITY IN THIS CASE THE QUEEN CAME TO REPRESENT IF NOT POLITICAL UNITY THEN AT LEAST SOME ESSENTIAL REPRESENT IF NOT POLITICAL UNITY THEN AT LEAST SOME ESSENTIAL AFFINITY.

THEN AT LEAST SOME ESSENTIAL AFFINITY.

>> SHE VERY POWERFULLY BROUGHT AFFINITY.

>> SHE VERY POWERFULLY BROUGHT TO VISIBILITY THE FACT THAT WE >> SHE VERY POWERFULLY BROUGHT TO VISIBILITY THE FACT THAT WE ARE ONE COMMUNITY.

TO VISIBILITY THE FACT THAT WE ARE ONE COMMUNITY.

WE ARE NEIGHBORS TO ONE ANOTHER.

ARE ONE COMMUNITY.

WE ARE NEIGHBORS TO ONE ANOTHER.

>> SO AS THE WORLD'S MOST WE ARE NEIGHBORS TO ONE ANOTHER.

>> SO AS THE WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL LEADERS DESCEND UPON >> SO AS THE WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL LEADERS DESCEND UPON THIS QUIET BUT ONCE TROUBLED POWERFUL LEADERS DESCEND UPON THIS QUIET BUT ONCE TROUBLED SPOT, LOCAL PEOPLE, INCLUDING THIS QUIET BUT ONCE TROUBLED SPOT, LOCAL PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE MINISTER AT GORDON WILSON'S SPOT, LOCAL PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE MINISTER AT GORDON WILSON'S OWN PLACE OF WORSHIP, FEEL THEY THE MINISTER AT GORDON WILSON'S OWN PLACE OF WORSHIP, FEEL THEY MAY EVEN HAVE SOME LESSONS TO OWN PLACE OF WORSHIP, FEEL THEY MAY EVEN HAVE SOME LESSONS TO OFFER.

MAY EVEN HAVE SOME LESSONS TO OFFER.

>> IF G-8 FOLK COULD CATCH OFFER.

>> IF G-8 FOLK COULD CATCH SOMETHING OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED >> IF G-8 FOLK COULD CATCH SOMETHING OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN ENNISKILLEN AND GO OUT INTO SOMETHING OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN ENNISKILLEN AND GO OUT INTO THE WORLD WITH A MESSAGE OF IN ENNISKILLEN AND GO OUT INTO THE WORLD WITH A MESSAGE OF GRACE AND THE POTENTIAL THROUGH THE WORLD WITH A MESSAGE OF GRACE AND THE POTENTIAL THROUGH THEIR DECISIONS TO BRING A GRACE AND THE POTENTIAL THROUGH THEIR DECISIONS TO BRING A BETTER LIFE TO EVERYONE, THAT'S THEIR DECISIONS TO BRING A BETTER LIFE TO EVERYONE, THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE APPLAUDED AND BETTER LIFE TO EVERYONE, THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE APPLAUDED AND ENCOURAGED, AND WE'D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING TO BE APPLAUDED AND ENCOURAGED, AND WE'D LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.

ENCOURAGED, AND WE'D LOVE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.

>> AT THE VERY LEAST, THAT HAPPEN.

>> AT THE VERY LEAST, ENNISKILLEN'S PEOPLE CAN FEEL, >> AT THE VERY LEAST, ENNISKILLEN'S PEOPLE CAN FEEL, PROBABLY WITH SOME CAUSE, THAT ENNISKILLEN'S PEOPLE CAN FEEL, PROBABLY WITH SOME CAUSE, THAT THEIR HOMETOWN'S STORY HAS MADE PROBABLY WITH SOME CAUSE, THAT THEIR HOMETOWN'S STORY HAS MADE IT AN APPROPRIATE PLACE NOW IN THEIR HOMETOWN'S STORY HAS MADE IT AN APPROPRIATE PLACE NOW IN WHICH SOLUTIONS TO SEVERE IT AN APPROPRIATE PLACE NOW IN WHICH SOLUTIONS TO SEVERE DISAGREEMENTS MIGHT BE FOUND.

WHICH SOLUTIONS TO SEVERE DISAGREEMENTS MIGHT BE FOUND.

FOR "RELIGION & ETHICS NEWS DISAGREEMENTS MIGHT BE FOUND.

FOR "RELIGION & ETHICS NEWS WEEKLY," I'M DAVID TERESHCHUK IN FOR "RELIGION & ETHICS NEWS WEEKLY," I'M DAVID TERESHCHUK IN ENNISKILLEN, NORTHERN IRELAND.

WEEKLY," I'M DAVID TERESHCHUK IN ENNISKILLEN, NORTHERN IRELAND.

>>> FINALLY, AS POPE FRANCIS ENNISKILLEN, NORTHERN IRELAND.

>>> FINALLY, AS POPE FRANCIS GETS READY TO MARK THE FIRST >>> FINALLY, AS POPE FRANCIS GETS READY TO MARK THE FIRST 100 DAYS OF HIS PAPACY, HE MET GETS READY TO MARK THE FIRST 100 DAYS OF HIS PAPACY, HE MET ON FRIDAY WITH ARCHBISHOP OF 100 DAYS OF HIS PAPACY, HE MET ON FRIDAY WITH ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY JUSTIN WELBY, WHO IS ON FRIDAY WITH ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY JUSTIN WELBY, WHO IS ABOUT TO MARK HIS FIRST 100 DAYS CANTERBURY JUSTIN WELBY, WHO IS ABOUT TO MARK HIS FIRST 100 DAYS AS LEADER OF THE ANGLICAN ABOUT TO MARK HIS FIRST 100 DAYS AS LEADER OF THE ANGLICAN COMMUNION.

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