Immigration Reform; Breadwinners; Father's Day - Surrogacy

>> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE >> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE CONTRARY" >> THIS WEEK ON "TO THE CONTRARY" WOMEN'S SPECIAL PLACE IN THE CONTRARY" WOMEN'S SPECIAL PLACE IN THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE, THEN WOMEN WOMEN'S SPECIAL PLACE IN THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE, THEN WOMEN AS PRIMARY BREADWINNERS.

IMMIGRATION DEBATE, THEN WOMEN AS PRIMARY BREADWINNERS.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES, SURROGACY AS PRIMARY BREADWINNERS.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES, SURROGACY AND THE SINGLE DAD.

IMMIGRATION LAW TREATS WOMEN IMMIGRATION LAW TREATS WOMEN UNFAIRLY.

IMMIGRATION LAW TREATS WOMEN UNFAIRLY.

ACCORDING TO THE IMMIGRATION UNFAIRLY.

ACCORDING TO THE IMMIGRATION POLICY CENTER, GENDER BIAS IN ACCORDING TO THE IMMIGRATION POLICY CENTER, GENDER BIAS IN CURRENT LAW MAKES IT TOUGHER FOR POLICY CENTER, GENDER BIAS IN CURRENT LAW MAKES IT TOUGHER FOR WOMEN TO BECOME U.S. CITIZENS.

CURRENT LAW MAKES IT TOUGHER FOR WOMEN TO BECOME U.S. CITIZENS.

IT MAY EVEN MAKE WOMEN WOMEN TO BECOME U.S. CITIZENS.

IT MAY EVEN MAKE WOMEN VULNERABLE TO DOMESTIC ABUSE.

IT MAY EVEN MAKE WOMEN VULNERABLE TO DOMESTIC ABUSE.

CURRENT LAW REQUIRES WOMEN TO VULNERABLE TO DOMESTIC ABUSE.

CURRENT LAW REQUIRES WOMEN TO PROVE CONTINUOUS EMPLOYMENT IF CURRENT LAW REQUIRES WOMEN TO PROVE CONTINUOUS EMPLOYMENT IF THEY WANT CITIZENSHIP.

PROVE CONTINUOUS EMPLOYMENT IF THEY WANT CITIZENSHIP.

THIS MAKES IT TOUGH FOR THEY WANT CITIZENSHIP.

THIS MAKES IT TOUGH FOR STAY-AT-HOME MOMS OR WOMEN WHO THIS MAKES IT TOUGH FOR STAY-AT-HOME MOMS OR WOMEN WHO WORK FOR CASH AND ARE NOT ON A STAY-AT-HOME MOMS OR WOMEN WHO WORK FOR CASH AND ARE NOT ON A PAYROLL.

WORK FOR CASH AND ARE NOT ON A PAYROLL.

THE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT PAYROLL.

THE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT ALSO GIVES WOMEN FLEEING THE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT ALSO GIVES WOMEN FLEEING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE A PATH TO ALSO GIVES WOMEN FLEEING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP.

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP.

BUT WOMEN WHO CHOOSE THAT PATH CITIZENSHIP.

BUT WOMEN WHO CHOOSE THAT PATH MUST DOCUMENT THEY WERE MARRIED BUT WOMEN WHO CHOOSE THAT PATH MUST DOCUMENT THEY WERE MARRIED -- THAT PRESENTS ANOTHER HURDLE MUST DOCUMENT THEY WERE MARRIED -- THAT PRESENTS ANOTHER HURDLE FORCING SOME TO STAY WITH THEIR -- THAT PRESENTS ANOTHER HURDLE FORCING SOME TO STAY WITH THEIR ABUSERS.

FORCING SOME TO STAY WITH THEIR ABUSERS.

THE IMMIGRATION POLICY CENTER ABUSERS.

THE IMMIGRATION POLICY CENTER HOPES IMMIGRATION REFORM WILL THE IMMIGRATION POLICY CENTER HOPES IMMIGRATION REFORM WILL ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.

HOPES IMMIGRATION REFORM WILL ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.

SO, NICOLE, SHOULD WOMEN ISSUES ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.

SO, NICOLE, SHOULD WOMEN ISSUES PLAY A ROLE IN IMMIGRATION SO, NICOLE, SHOULD WOMEN ISSUES PLAY A ROLE IN IMMIGRATION REFORM?

PLAY A ROLE IN IMMIGRATION REFORM?

>> I THINK ALL ISSUES ARE REFORM?

>> I THINK ALL ISSUES ARE WOMEN'S ISSUES.

>> I THINK ALL ISSUES ARE WOMEN'S ISSUES.

I WOULD REPHRASE SHOULD WOMEN'S WOMEN'S ISSUES.

I WOULD REPHRASE SHOULD WOMEN'S VOICES PLAY A ROLE, ABSOLUTELY.

I WOULD REPHRASE SHOULD WOMEN'S VOICES PLAY A ROLE, ABSOLUTELY.

>> WOMEN ARE 50% 69 APPLICANTS VOICES PLAY A ROLE, ABSOLUTELY.

>> WOMEN ARE 50% 69 APPLICANTS IT'S NO BRAINER THAT WOMEN'S >> WOMEN ARE 50% 69 APPLICANTS IT'S NO BRAINER THAT WOMEN'S ISSUES SHOULD BE A PART OF THE IT'S NO BRAINER THAT WOMEN'S ISSUES SHOULD BE A PART OF THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE, THEY ARE.

ISSUES SHOULD BE A PART OF THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE, THEY ARE.

THEY JUST NATURALLY.

IMMIGRATION DEBATE, THEY ARE.

THEY JUST NATURALLY.

>> OBVIOUSLY GIVEN THE THEY JUST NATURALLY.

>> OBVIOUSLY GIVEN THE DEMOGRAPHIC AND POLITICAL >> OBVIOUSLY GIVEN THE DEMOGRAPHIC AND POLITICAL REALITIES THAT WE LIVE THIS IS DEMOGRAPHIC AND POLITICAL REALITIES THAT WE LIVE THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD ADAPT TO REALITIES THAT WE LIVE THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD ADAPT TO WOMEN RATHER THAN THE OTHER WAY AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD ADAPT TO WOMEN RATHER THAN THE OTHER WAY AROUND WHEN WOMEN ARE HE WOMEN RATHER THAN THE OTHER WAY AROUND WHEN WOMEN ARE HE ADAPTING TO THE ISSUE.

AROUND WHEN WOMEN ARE HE ADAPTING TO THE ISSUE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ADAPTING TO THE ISSUE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE SHOULD FOCUS ON WOMEN'S >> ABSOLUTELY.

WE SHOULD FOCUS ON WOMEN'S ISSUES.

WE SHOULD FOCUS ON WOMEN'S ISSUES.

I AGREE WITH YOU THEY ARE OVER ISSUES.

I AGREE WITH YOU THEY ARE OVER 50% OF THE WORKFORCE AND THEY I AGREE WITH YOU THEY ARE OVER 50% OF THE WORKFORCE AND THEY DEFINITELY AFFECT OUR SOCIETY, 50% OF THE WORKFORCE AND THEY DEFINITELY AFFECT OUR SOCIETY, CHILD CARE ISSUES, ET CETERA, DEFINITELY AFFECT OUR SOCIETY, CHILD CARE ISSUES, ET CETERA, THAT WE ALL KNOW ABOUT.

CHILD CARE ISSUES, ET CETERA, THAT WE ALL KNOW ABOUT.

>> BUT IF IT'S A UNIFORM THAT WE ALL KNOW ABOUT.

>> BUT IF IT'S A UNIFORM REQUIREMENT THAT YOU DOCUMENT, >> BUT IF IT'S A UNIFORM REQUIREMENT THAT YOU DOCUMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR PAYROLL, IS IT REQUIREMENT THAT YOU DOCUMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR PAYROLL, IS IT REALLY FAIR, I'M GOING TO PLAY FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR PAYROLL, IS IT REALLY FAIR, I'M GOING TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE IS IT FAIR TO REALLY FAIR, I'M GOING TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE IS IT FAIR TO SAY IT DISCRIMINATES AGAINST DEVIL'S ADVOCATE IS IT FAIR TO SAY IT DISCRIMINATES AGAINST WOMEN BECAUSE MORE OF THEM ARE SAY IT DISCRIMINATES AGAINST WOMEN BECAUSE MORE OF THEM ARE WORKING IN JOBS WHERE THEY'RE WOMEN BECAUSE MORE OF THEM ARE WORKING IN JOBS WHERE THEY'RE PAID CASH JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE WORKING IN JOBS WHERE THEY'RE PAID CASH JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DOCUMENT THEIR WORK?

PAID CASH JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DOCUMENT THEIR WORK?

>> YOU CAN'T MAKE THE ARGUMENT I TO DOCUMENT THEIR WORK?

>> YOU CAN'T MAKE THE ARGUMENT I IT MAY NOT BE FAIR TO I CAN MAKE >> YOU CAN'T MAKE THE ARGUMENT I IT MAY NOT BE FAIR TO I CAN MAKE THAT CHARACTER TORIZATION YOU IT MAY NOT BE FAIR TO I CAN MAKE THAT CHARACTER TORIZATION YOU HAVE TO START TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT CHARACTER TORIZATION YOU HAVE TO START TALKING ABOUT WHAT ABOUT MEN WHO ARE WORKING FOR HAVE TO START TALKING ABOUT WHAT ABOUT MEN WHO ARE WORKING FOR JUST CASH OR GETTING MONEY UNDER ABOUT MEN WHO ARE WORKING FOR JUST CASH OR GETTING MONEY UNDER THE TABLE, THERE ARE A LOT OF JUST CASH OR GETTING MONEY UNDER THE TABLE, THERE ARE A LOT OF MEN IN JOBS LIKE THAT, THE THE TABLE, THERE ARE A LOT OF MEN IN JOBS LIKE THAT, THE CONTEXT OF THIS IMMIGRATION MEN IN JOBS LIKE THAT, THE CONTEXT OF THIS IMMIGRATION DEBATE ALSO TALKING ABOUT A LOT CONTEXT OF THIS IMMIGRATION DEBATE ALSO TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF LATINO MEN WHO DO A LOT OF DEBATE ALSO TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF LATINO MEN WHO DO A LOT OF LANDSCAPING JOBS, WHO ARE PAYING OF LATINO MEN WHO DO A LOT OF LANDSCAPING JOBS, WHO ARE PAYING CASH OR CONSTRUCTION JOBS WHO LANDSCAPING JOBS, WHO ARE PAYING CASH OR CONSTRUCTION JOBS WHO ARE GETTING CURB UNDER THE -- CASH OR CONSTRUCTION JOBS WHO ARE GETTING CURB UNDER THE -- CASH UNDER THE TABLE.

ARE GETTING CURB UNDER THE -- CASH UNDER THE TABLE.

YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUE.

CASH UNDER THE TABLE.

YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUE.

TH IS NOT JUST WOMEN'S YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUE.

TH IS NOT JUST WOMEN'S ISSUE IT'S A DUAL SORT OF -- TH IS NOT JUST WOMEN'S ISSUE IT'S A DUAL SORT OF -- MULTI-GENDER ISSUE.

ISSUE IT'S A DUAL SORT OF -- MULTI-GENDER ISSUE.

AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S AFFECTING MULTI-GENDER ISSUE.

AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S AFFECTING WOMEN IN A VERY BAD WAY, BECAUSE AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S AFFECTING WOMEN IN A VERY BAD WAY, BECAUSE WOMEN ARE JUST SORT OF WOMEN IN A VERY BAD WAY, BECAUSE WOMEN ARE JUST SORT OF DISPROPORTIONATELY LEFT OUT OF WOMEN ARE JUST SORT OF DISPROPORTIONATELY LEFT OUT OF THE IMMIGRATION CONVERSATION DISPROPORTIONATELY LEFT OUT OF THE IMMIGRATION CONVERSATION THEY'RE NOT BEING INCLUDED IN THE IMMIGRATION CONVERSATION THEY'RE NOT BEING INCLUDED IN IT.

THEY'RE NOT BEING INCLUDED IN IT.

IT'S BECOMING A CONVERSATION IT.

IT'S BECOMING A CONVERSATION THAT'S PRY MAJERLE DOMINATED BY IT'S BECOMING A CONVERSATION THAT'S PRY MAJERLE DOMINATED BY MALES.

THAT'S PRY MAJERLE DOMINATED BY MALES.

NOT JUST A GOOD THING WHEN MALES.

NOT JUST A GOOD THING WHEN RIGHT NOW HALF THE -- OVER HALF NOT JUST A GOOD THING WHEN RIGHT NOW HALF THE -- OVER HALF THE AMERICAN POPULATION IS MALE RIGHT NOW HALF THE -- OVER HALF THE AMERICAN POPULATION IS MALE YOU HAVE ALL THESE OTHER WOMEN THE AMERICAN POPULATION IS MALE YOU HAVE ALL THESE OTHER WOMEN COMING IN TO THE COUNTRY AS YOU HAVE ALL THESE OTHER WOMEN COMING IN TO THE COUNTRY AS WELL.

COMING IN TO THE COUNTRY AS WELL.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, THE CASH WELL.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, THE CASH ISSUE, I THINK I KNOW WHERE >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, THE CASH ISSUE, I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT I AGREE ISSUE, I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT I AGREE WITH YOU ON.

YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT I AGREE WITH YOU ON.

THE LAW SAYS IN ORDER TO APPLY WITH YOU ON.

THE LAW SAYS IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP YOU HAVE TO SHOW THE LAW SAYS IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP YOU HAVE TO SHOW A HISTORY OF PAYROLL.

FOR CITIZENSHIP YOU HAVE TO SHOW A HISTORY OF PAYROLL.

IN SOME SENSE IT'S NOT THAT I'M A HISTORY OF PAYROLL.

IN SOME SENSE IT'S NOT THAT I'M NOT SYMPATHETIC TO WOMEN TRYING IN SOME SENSE IT'S NOT THAT I'M NOT SYMPATHETIC TO WOMEN TRYING TO I AM GREAT BUT THE QUESTION NOT SYMPATHETIC TO WOMEN TRYING TO I AM GREAT BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT A GENDER BIAS TO TO I AM GREAT BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT A GENDER BIAS TO REQUIRE DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE I IS, IS THAT A GENDER BIAS TO REQUIRE DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE I SUPPOSE FEWER WOMEN APPLYING FOR REQUIRE DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE I SUPPOSE FEWER WOMEN APPLYING FOR NATURALIZATION HAVE SUPPOSE FEWER WOMEN APPLYING FOR NATURALIZATION HAVE DOCUMENTATION THAN MEN DO.

NATURALIZATION HAVE DOCUMENTATION THAN MEN DO.

>> BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE LOWER DOCUMENTATION THAN MEN DO.

>> BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE LOWER PAYING JOBS.

>> BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE LOWER PAYING JOBS.

YOU HAVE THEM IN THE CAREGIVER PAYING JOBS.

YOU HAVE THEM IN THE CAREGIVER JOBS, THE CLEANING JOBS, MEN WHO YOU HAVE THEM IN THE CAREGIVER JOBS, THE CLEANING JOBS, MEN WHO AREN'T IN THAT.

JOBS, THE CLEANING JOBS, MEN WHO AREN'T IN THAT.

THEY COME IN AS SECONDARY PEOPLE AREN'T IN THAT.

THEY COME IN AS SECONDARY PEOPLE TO THE APPLICATION.

THEY COME IN AS SECONDARY PEOPLE TO THE APPLICATION.

THE MEN GET THE PRIMARY.

TO THE APPLICATION.

THE MEN GET THE PRIMARY.

THE THING ABOUT THE CASH IS, IT THE MEN GET THE PRIMARY.

THE THING ABOUT THE CASH IS, IT DOES PROBABLY APPLY MORE TO THE THING ABOUT THE CASH IS, IT DOES PROBABLY APPLY MORE TO WOMEN SINCE THEY'RE IN THOSE DOES PROBABLY APPLY MORE TO WOMEN SINCE THEY'RE IN THOSE ROLES, BUT YOU SHOULD BE WOMEN SINCE THEY'RE IN THOSE ROLES, BUT YOU SHOULD BE REPORTING YOUR CASH.

ROLES, BUT YOU SHOULD BE REPORTING YOUR CASH.

THE EMPLOYER SHOULD BE REPORTING REPORTING YOUR CASH.

THE EMPLOYER SHOULD BE REPORTING THE CASH.

THE EMPLOYER SHOULD BE REPORTING THE CASH.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE TOO MUCH -- THE CASH.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE TOO MUCH -- I AGREE WITH YOU, I DON'T WANT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE TOO MUCH -- I AGREE WITH YOU, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE TOO MUCH OF LEEWAY HERE I AGREE WITH YOU, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE TOO MUCH OF LEEWAY HERE WE DON'T WANT YOU BEING ILLEGAL TO GIVE TOO MUCH OF LEEWAY HERE WE DON'T WANT YOU BEING ILLEGAL AS YOU'RE TRYING TO BE LEGAL.

WE DON'T WANT YOU BEING ILLEGAL AS YOU'RE TRYING TO BE LEGAL.

>> I HAD NOT HEARD ABOUT THIS AS YOU'RE TRYING TO BE LEGAL.

>> I HAD NOT HEARD ABOUT THIS SIDE OF THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE, >> I HAD NOT HEARD ABOUT THIS SIDE OF THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE, THE BILL AS IT'S WRITTEN IS A SIDE OF THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE, THE BILL AS IT'S WRITTEN IS A THOUSAND PAGES, THERE'S BUSINESS THE BILL AS IT'S WRITTEN IS A THOUSAND PAGES, THERE'S BUSINESS INTERESTS, RELIGIOUS INTERESTS THOUSAND PAGES, THERE'S BUSINESS INTERESTS, RELIGIOUS INTERESTS THAT HAVE WEIGHED IN, I HADN'T INTERESTS, RELIGIOUS INTERESTS THAT HAVE WEIGHED IN, I HADN'T REALLY HEARD OF THE WOMEN THAT HAVE WEIGHED IN, I HADN'T REALLY HEARD OF THE WOMEN PERCEPTION, THERE ARE FEWER REALLY HEARD OF THE WOMEN PERCEPTION, THERE ARE FEWER WOMEN IN CONGRESS, PERIOD, I'M PERCEPTION, THERE ARE FEWER WOMEN IN CONGRESS, PERIOD, I'M NOT SURPRISED THERE ISN'T THIS WOMEN IN CONGRESS, PERIOD, I'M NOT SURPRISED THERE ISN'T THIS POINT OF VIEW HASN'T BEEN NOT SURPRISED THERE ISN'T THIS POINT OF VIEW HASN'T BEEN ADVOCATED.

POINT OF VIEW HASN'T BEEN ADVOCATED.

BUT I WISH THAT THERE WOULD HAVE ADVOCATED.

BUT I WISH THAT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE WOMEN IN THE SENATE, BUT I WISH THAT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE WOMEN IN THE SENATE, IN CONGRESS WHO WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE WOMEN IN THE SENATE, IN CONGRESS WHO WHO WOULD HAVE FOUGHT TO GET ON THE GANG OF IN CONGRESS WHO WHO WOULD HAVE FOUGHT TO GET ON THE GANG OF EIGHT.

FOUGHT TO GET ON THE GANG OF EIGHT.

IT'S INCUMBENT TO SEEK FOR THEIR EIGHT.

IT'S INCUMBENT TO SEEK FOR THEIR CONSTITUENTS TRY TO REALLY IT'S INCUMBENT TO SEEK FOR THEIR CONSTITUENTS TRY TO REALLY REPRESENT THOSE.

CONSTITUENTS TRY TO REALLY REPRESENT THOSE.

I'M GLAD THAT THIS REPORT CAME REPRESENT THOSE.

I'M GLAD THAT THIS REPORT CAME OUT.

I'M GLAD THAT THIS REPORT CAME OUT.

>> IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ONE OF OUT.

>> IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BILL MIGHT BE >> IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BILL MIGHT BE DOING IS GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THE THINGS THAT BILL MIGHT BE DOING IS GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF WHAT'S CALLED THE INVISIBLE DOING IS GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF WHAT'S CALLED THE INVISIBLE ECONOMY, PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING WHAT'S CALLED THE INVISIBLE ECONOMY, PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING FOR CASH WHOSE PAY ISN'T ECONOMY, PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING FOR CASH WHOSE PAY ISN'T DOCUMENTED WHOSE EMPLOY MAY NOT FOR CASH WHOSE PAY ISN'T DOCUMENTED WHOSE EMPLOY MAY NOT BE DOCUMENTED THEIR RIGHTS AND DOCUMENTED WHOSE EMPLOY MAY NOT BE DOCUMENTED THEIR RIGHTS AND PROTECTS AREN'T CLEARLY DEFINED.

BE DOCUMENTED THEIR RIGHTS AND PROTECTS AREN'T CLEARLY DEFINED.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS PROTECTS AREN'T CLEARLY DEFINED.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS MEN AND WOMEN.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS MEN AND WOMEN.

IN THIS.

MEN AND WOMEN.

IN THIS.

>> THAT'S WHY THIS IS PRIMARILY IN THIS.

>> THAT'S WHY THIS IS PRIMARILY ECONOMIC ISSUE.

>> THAT'S WHY THIS IS PRIMARILY ECONOMIC ISSUE.

BUT GOING BACK TO NICOLE'S ECONOMIC ISSUE.

BUT GOING BACK TO NICOLE'S STATEMENT REAL QUICK, IT'S NOT BUT GOING BACK TO NICOLE'S STATEMENT REAL QUICK, IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT WOMEN AREN'T STATEMENT REAL QUICK, IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT WOMEN AREN'T INCLUDED IN THE SENATE GANG OF SURPRISING THAT WOMEN AREN'T INCLUDED IN THE SENATE GANG OF EIGHT OR HOUSE GANG OF EIGHT NOT INCLUDED IN THE SENATE GANG OF EIGHT OR HOUSE GANG OF EIGHT NOT SO MUCH WOMEN MEMBERS NOT EIGHT OR HOUSE GANG OF EIGHT NOT SO MUCH WOMEN MEMBERS NOT FIGHTING TO BE IN THOSE TWO SO MUCH WOMEN MEMBERS NOT FIGHTING TO BE IN THOSE TWO GROUPS FROM THOSE THAT -- FOLKS FIGHTING TO BE IN THOSE TWO GROUPS FROM THOSE THAT -- FOLKS THAT I TALKED TO IT'S A MATTER GROUPS FROM THOSE THAT -- FOLKS THAT I TALKED TO IT'S A MATTER OF THOSE GROUPS SORT OF THAT I TALKED TO IT'S A MATTER OF THOSE GROUPS SORT OF EXCLUDING THE WOMEN'S OF THOSE GROUPS SORT OF EXCLUDING THE WOMEN'S PERSPECTIVE, THE AFRICAN EXCLUDING THE WOMEN'S PERSPECTIVE, THE AFRICAN AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE, THERE ARE PERSPECTIVE, THE AFRICAN AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE, THERE ARE NO AFRICAN MEMBERS ON THE HOUSE AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE, THERE ARE NO AFRICAN MEMBERS ON THE HOUSE GANG OF EIGHT AND 4 BLACK NO AFRICAN MEMBERS ON THE HOUSE GANG OF EIGHT AND 4 BLACK MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF GANG OF EIGHT AND 4 BLACK MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

THAT IS A BIT ATROCIOUS.

REPRESENTATIVES.

THAT IS A BIT ATROCIOUS.

CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAULK US A THAT IS A BIT ATROCIOUS.

CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAULK US A HAS BEEN UPSET ABOUT THAT AS CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAULK US A HAS BEEN UPSET ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

HAS BEEN UPSET ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

>> EVERYTHING ON CAPITOL HILL WELL.

>> EVERYTHING ON CAPITOL HILL ONE SENIORITY, TWO, PROTECTING >> EVERYTHING ON CAPITOL HILL ONE SENIORITY, TWO, PROTECTING YOUR OWN INTERESTS AND ONE SENIORITY, TWO, PROTECTING YOUR OWN INTERESTS AND CONSTITUENCY, RIGHT?

YOUR OWN INTERESTS AND CONSTITUENCY, RIGHT?

TO YOUR POINT THIS IS A VERY, CONSTITUENCY, RIGHT?

TO YOUR POINT THIS IS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE THAT TO YOUR POINT THIS IS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE THAT THEY'RE GRAPPLING WITH, THEY'RE VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE THAT THEY'RE GRAPPLING WITH, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP TIGHT THEY'RE GRAPPLING WITH, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP TIGHT CONTROL OF THAT.

GOING TO TRY TO KEEP TIGHT CONTROL OF THAT.

EVERY WEEK WE HEAR IT MAY FALL CONTROL OF THAT.

EVERY WEEK WE HEAR IT MAY FALL APART OVER THIS.

EVERY WEEK WE HEAR IT MAY FALL APART OVER THIS.

MAY FALL APART ON THAT.

APART OVER THIS.

MAY FALL APART ON THAT.

YOU'RE STILL RIGHT.

MAY FALL APART ON THAT.

YOU'RE STILL RIGHT.

IT'S WHO THEY TRUST TO BE IN ON YOU'RE STILL RIGHT.

IT'S WHO THEY TRUST TO BE IN ON THIS ISSUE SO THEY FEEL THEY CAN IT'S WHO THEY TRUST TO BE IN ON THIS ISSUE SO THEY FEEL THEY CAN CONTROL AMONGST THEMSELVES THAT THIS ISSUE SO THEY FEEL THEY CAN CONTROL AMONGST THEMSELVES THAT PERHAPS SOME PEOPLE IN THAT CONTROL AMONGST THEMSELVES THAT PERHAPS SOME PEOPLE IN THAT GROUP ARE OUTSIDE THAT GOOD OLD PERHAPS SOME PEOPLE IN THAT GROUP ARE OUTSIDE THAT GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM THAT THEY DON'T GROUP ARE OUTSIDE THAT GOOD OLD BOY SYSTEM THAT THEY DON'T PEOPLE SO COMFORTABLE WITH.

BOY SYSTEM THAT THEY DON'T PEOPLE SO COMFORTABLE WITH.

>> WINDING IT UP BECAUSE WE'RE PEOPLE SO COMFORTABLE WITH.

>> WINDING IT UP BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO RUN OUT OF TIME I'D >> WINDING IT UP BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO RUN OUT OF TIME I'D LIKE EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS ON ARE ABOUT TO RUN OUT OF TIME I'D LIKE EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS ON ARE WE GOING TO HAVE IMMIGRATION LIKE EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS ON ARE WE GOING TO HAVE IMMIGRATION REFORM, OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING IS WE GOING TO HAVE IMMIGRATION REFORM, OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING IS GOING TO COME THROUGH THE REFORM, OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING IS GOING TO COME THROUGH THE SENATE, THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE GOING TO COME THROUGH THE SENATE, THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE THE PROBLEM.

SENATE, THE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE THE PROBLEM.

IS THE HOUSE GOING TO GO ALONG THE PROBLEM.

IS THE HOUSE GOING TO GO ALONG OR NOT?

IS THE HOUSE GOING TO GO ALONG OR NOT?

>> I HAVE MY DOUBTS ABOUT THE OR NOT?

>> I HAVE MY DOUBTS ABOUT THE HOUSE GOING ALONG JUST HISTORY >> I HAVE MY DOUBTS ABOUT THE HOUSE GOING ALONG JUST HISTORY OF THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE OF HOUSE GOING ALONG JUST HISTORY OF THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DOES NOT INSPIRE OF THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DOES NOT INSPIRE CONFIDENCE.

REPRESENTATIVES DOES NOT INSPIRE CONFIDENCE.

YOU.

CONFIDENCE.

YOU.

>> MAY HAVE SOME SORT OF REFORM YOU.

>> MAY HAVE SOME SORT OF REFORM PASS JUST A MATTER OF EVEN BY >> MAY HAVE SOME SORT OF REFORM PASS JUST A MATTER OF EVEN BY THE HOUSE, I THINK IT'S JUST A PASS JUST A MATTER OF EVEN BY THE HOUSE, I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER WHAT ARE THE DETAILS, THE THE HOUSE, I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER WHAT ARE THE DETAILS, THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS THEY MATTER WHAT ARE THE DETAILS, THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS THEY SAY.

DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS THEY SAY.

THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE IS CURIOUS SAY.

THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE IS CURIOUS ABOUT.

THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE IS CURIOUS ABOUT.

THERE IS SOME OPTIMISM.

ABOUT.

THERE IS SOME OPTIMISM.

YOU DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF IT THERE IS SOME OPTIMISM.

YOU DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF IT BUT OPTIMISM THAT WE'LL PASS YOU DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF IT BUT OPTIMISM THAT WE'LL PASS SOME SORT -- BUT OPTIMISM THAT WE'LL PASS SOME SORT -- >> WHY THAT BECAUSE THE HOUSE SOME SORT -- >> WHY THAT BECAUSE THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS, TEA PARTY MEMBERS >> WHY THAT BECAUSE THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS, TEA PARTY MEMBERS WHO WOULD BE OPPOSED TO REPUBLICANS, TEA PARTY MEMBERS WHO WOULD BE OPPOSED TO IMMIGRATION REFORM ARE FEELING WHO WOULD BE OPPOSED TO IMMIGRATION REFORM ARE FEELING THE POLITICAL PRESSURE THAT THE IMMIGRATION REFORM ARE FEELING THE POLITICAL PRESSURE THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS GOT TO TRY THE POLITICAL PRESSURE THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS GOT TO TRY TO WIN BACK HISPANIC VOTE WHO IS REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS GOT TO TRY TO WIN BACK HISPANIC VOTE WHO IS ONLY -- WHICH ONLY WON 39%.

TO WIN BACK HISPANIC VOTE WHO IS ONLY -- WHICH ONLY WON 39%.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ONLY -- WHICH ONLY WON 39%.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE HEARING.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE HEARING.

A LOT OF POLITICAL PRESSURE, THE THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE HEARING.

A LOT OF POLITICAL PRESSURE, THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP IN THE A LOT OF POLITICAL PRESSURE, THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP IN THE HOUSE REALLY WANTS THEIR MEMBERS REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP IN THE HOUSE REALLY WANTS THEIR MEMBERS TO KIND OF -- TO DISCIPLINE GET HOUSE REALLY WANTS THEIR MEMBERS TO KIND OF -- TO DISCIPLINE GET BEHIND THIS THING.

TO KIND OF -- TO DISCIPLINE GET BEHIND THIS THING.

BECAUSE THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT BEHIND THIS THING.

BECAUSE THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE LONG TERM POLITICAL BECAUSE THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE LONG TERM POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS OF BASICALLY THE LONG TERM POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS OF BASICALLY DEFINING A WHOLE VOTING BLOCK OF IMPLICATIONS OF BASICALLY DEFINING A WHOLE VOTING BLOCK OF POTENTIAL CITIZENS.

DEFINING A WHOLE VOTING BLOCK OF POTENTIAL CITIZENS.

>> ALL RIGHT.

POTENTIAL CITIZENS.

>> ALL RIGHT.

LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

>> ALL RIGHT.

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FROM IMMIGRATION TO FEMALE HEADS @BONNIEERBE.

FROM IMMIGRATION TO FEMALE HEADS OF HOUSEHOLDS.

FROM IMMIGRATION TO FEMALE HEADS OF HOUSEHOLDS.

THE NUMBER OF MOTHERS WHO ARE OF HOUSEHOLDS.

THE NUMBER OF MOTHERS WHO ARE EITHER SOLE OR PRIMARY THE NUMBER OF MOTHERS WHO ARE EITHER SOLE OR PRIMARY BREADWINNERS IN THEIR FAMILIES EITHER SOLE OR PRIMARY BREADWINNERS IN THEIR FAMILIES CONTINUES TO RISE.

BREADWINNERS IN THEIR FAMILIES CONTINUES TO RISE.

A RECENT PEW RESEARCH STUDY CONTINUES TO RISE.

A RECENT PEW RESEARCH STUDY FINDS MOTHERS ARE NOW THE TOP A RECENT PEW RESEARCH STUDY FINDS MOTHERS ARE NOW THE TOP EARNERS IN 40% OF FAMILIES, UP FINDS MOTHERS ARE NOW THE TOP EARNERS IN 40% OF FAMILIES, UP FROM 10% IN 1960.

EARNERS IN 40% OF FAMILIES, UP FROM 10% IN 1960.

THESE FROM 10% IN 1960.

THESE WOMEN ARE EITHER MARRIED AND THESE WOMEN ARE EITHER MARRIED AND EARN MORE THAN THEIR HUSBANDS, WOMEN ARE EITHER MARRIED AND EARN MORE THAN THEIR HUSBANDS, OR THEY ARE SINGLE.

EARN MORE THAN THEIR HUSBANDS, OR THEY ARE SINGLE.

THE STUDY FINDS BIG DIFFERENCES OR THEY ARE SINGLE.

THE STUDY FINDS BIG DIFFERENCES IN FAMILY INCOMES BETWEEN THE THE STUDY FINDS BIG DIFFERENCES IN FAMILY INCOMES BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS.

IN FAMILY INCOMES BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS.

WHEN MARRIED WOMEN WORK, THE TWO GROUPS.

WHEN MARRIED WOMEN WORK, THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME IS $80,000, WHEN MARRIED WOMEN WORK, THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME IS $80,000, BUT IT'S ONLY $23,000 FOR SINGLE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME IS $80,000, BUT IT'S ONLY $23,000 FOR SINGLE MOTHER HEADED FAMILIES.

BUT IT'S ONLY $23,000 FOR SINGLE MOTHER HEADED FAMILIES.

MARRIED MOTHERS TEND TO BE MOTHER HEADED FAMILIES.

MARRIED MOTHERS TEND TO BE SLIGHTLY OLDER, WHITE AND MARRIED MOTHERS TEND TO BE SLIGHTLY OLDER, WHITE AND COLLEGE EDUCATED.

SLIGHTLY OLDER, WHITE AND COLLEGE EDUCATED.

SINGLE MOTHERS ARE YOUNGER, MORE COLLEGE EDUCATED.

SINGLE MOTHERS ARE YOUNGER, MORE LIKELY TO BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN OR SINGLE MOTHERS ARE YOUNGER, MORE LIKELY TO BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN OR HISPANIC AND LESS LIKELY TO HAVE LIKELY TO BE AFRICAN-AMERICAN OR HISPANIC AND LESS LIKELY TO HAVE COLLEGE DEGREES.

HISPANIC AND LESS LIKELY TO HAVE COLLEGE DEGREES.

WHAT DO MEN THINK ABOUT THIS COLLEGE DEGREES.

WHAT DO MEN THINK ABOUT THIS THAT WOMEN ARE BECOMING -- WHAT DO MEN THINK ABOUT THIS THAT WOMEN ARE BECOMING -- MOVING MORE AND MORE TOWARDS THAT WOMEN ARE BECOMING -- MOVING MORE AND MORE TOWARDS BECOMING PRIMARY BREAD WINNERS.

MOVING MORE AND MORE TOWARDS BECOMING PRIMARY BREAD WINNERS.

>> YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TWO SETS OF BECOMING PRIMARY BREAD WINNERS.

>> YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TWO SETS OF MEN ON THIS ISSUE.

>> YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TWO SETS OF MEN ON THIS ISSUE.

>> AT LEAST.

MEN ON THIS ISSUE.

>> AT LEAST.

>> YOU HAVE ONE SET OF MEN WHO >> AT LEAST.

>> YOU HAVE ONE SET OF MEN WHO ARE LIKE, THIS IS JUST SOCIETY >> YOU HAVE ONE SET OF MEN WHO ARE LIKE, THIS IS JUST SOCIETY EVOLVING.

ARE LIKE, THIS IS JUST SOCIETY EVOLVING.

THIS IS -- THEY HAVE BEEN KIND EVOLVING.

THIS IS -- THEY HAVE BEEN KIND OF GROWING ACCUSTOMED TO THIS THIS IS -- THEY HAVE BEEN KIND OF GROWING ACCUSTOMED TO THIS SORT OF DYNAMIC ON THIS SORT OF OF GROWING ACCUSTOMED TO THIS SORT OF DYNAMIC ON THIS SORT OF SOCIAL CHANGE.

SORT OF DYNAMIC ON THIS SORT OF SOCIAL CHANGE.

SEE IT AS ANY SORT OF ABRUPT SOCIAL CHANGE.

SEE IT AS ANY SORT OF ABRUPT SOCIAL CHANGE, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

SEE IT AS ANY SORT OF ABRUPT SOCIAL CHANGE, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE SOCIAL CHANGE, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE MOVING IN, VERY COMFORTABLE, I THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE MOVING IN, VERY COMFORTABLE, I HAPPEN TO BE IN THE GROUP.

MOVING IN, VERY COMFORTABLE, I HAPPEN TO BE IN THE GROUP.

SECOND GROUP THAT STILL HAVING HAPPEN TO BE IN THE GROUP.

SECOND GROUP THAT STILL HAVING TROUBLE SORT OF ACCEPTING THAT, SECOND GROUP THAT STILL HAVING TROUBLE SORT OF ACCEPTING THAT, SOMETIMES IT DEPENDS ON WHERE TROUBLE SORT OF ACCEPTING THAT, SOMETIMES IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY LIE ON SORT OF THE SOMETIMES IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY LIE ON SORT OF THE IDEOLOGICAL OR POLITICAL SIDE OF THEY LIE ON SORT OF THE IDEOLOGICAL OR POLITICAL SIDE OF THE SPECTRUM, STILL HAVING IDEOLOGICAL OR POLITICAL SIDE OF THE SPECTRUM, STILL HAVING PROBLEMS ADJUSTING OR ADAPTING THE SPECTRUM, STILL HAVING PROBLEMS ADJUSTING OR ADAPTING TO THIS NEW REALITY THAT, YES, PROBLEMS ADJUSTING OR ADAPTING TO THIS NEW REALITY THAT, YES, THERE ARE MORE WOMEN, BREAD TO THIS NEW REALITY THAT, YES, THERE ARE MORE WOMEN, BREAD WINNERS, ARE MORE SINGLE THERE ARE MORE WOMEN, BREAD WINNERS, ARE MORE SINGLE MOTHERS.

WINNERS, ARE MORE SINGLE MOTHERS.

JUST THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE MOTHERS.

JUST THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE FOR SOME TIME.

JUST THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE FOR SOME TIME.

>> I THINK THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, I FOR SOME TIME.

>> I THINK THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, I THINK IT'S PARTIALLY A CULTURAL >> I THINK THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, I THINK IT'S PARTIALLY A CULTURAL THING THAT PEOPLE HAVE THIS IDEA THINK IT'S PARTIALLY A CULTURAL THING THAT PEOPLE HAVE THIS IDEA THAT THERE'S WOMEN'S WORK, THING THAT PEOPLE HAVE THIS IDEA THAT THERE'S WOMEN'S WORK, THERE'S MEN'S WORK IT'S FATHER'S THAT THERE'S WOMEN'S WORK, THERE'S MEN'S WORK IT'S FATHER'S WORK TO GO OUT AND EARN THE PAY.

THERE'S MEN'S WORK IT'S FATHER'S WORK TO GO OUT AND EARN THE PAY.

THEN YOU HAVE FAMILIES LIKE MINE WORK TO GO OUT AND EARN THE PAY.

THEN YOU HAVE FAMILIES LIKE MINE WHERE THERE ARE TWO DADS OR TWO THEN YOU HAVE FAMILIES LIKE MINE WHERE THERE ARE TWO DADS OR TWO MOMS AND GUESS WHAT, IF SOMEBODY WHERE THERE ARE TWO DADS OR TWO MOMS AND GUESS WHAT, IF SOMEBODY STAYS AT HOME THERE'S GOING TO MOMS AND GUESS WHAT, IF SOMEBODY STAYS AT HOME THERE'S GOING TO BE A STAY AT HOME DAD.

STAYS AT HOME THERE'S GOING TO BE A STAY AT HOME DAD.

IF SOMEONE STAYS HOME THEY'RE BE A STAY AT HOME DAD.

IF SOMEONE STAYS HOME THEY'RE GOING TO BE A WORKING MOM.

IF SOMEONE STAYS HOME THEY'RE GOING TO BE A WORKING MOM.

IT BECOMES DEBATE ABOUT THAT GOING TO BE A WORKING MOM.

IT BECOMES DEBATE ABOUT THAT INSTEAD OF ABOUT AN ECONOMY THAT IT BECOMES DEBATE ABOUT THAT INSTEAD OF ABOUT AN ECONOMY THAT SUPPORTS ALL FAMILIES.

INSTEAD OF ABOUT AN ECONOMY THAT SUPPORTS ALL FAMILIES.

>> BECAUSE IN YOUR FAMILY, FOR SUPPORTS ALL FAMILIES.

>> BECAUSE IN YOUR FAMILY, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE TWO DADS, DO >> BECAUSE IN YOUR FAMILY, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE TWO DADS, DO YOU BETTY MOWING PHYSICALLY EXAMPLE, THERE ARE TWO DADS, DO YOU BETTY MOWING PHYSICALLY INVOLVED DARN DARN DO YOU GET YOU BETTY MOWING PHYSICALLY INVOLVED DARN DARN DO YOU GET EMOTIONALLY RESULT IN RESULTS OF INVOLVED DARN DARN DO YOU GET EMOTIONALLY RESULT IN RESULTS OF A STUDLY LIKE THIS OR JUST NOT EMOTIONALLY RESULT IN RESULTS OF A STUDLY LIKE THIS OR JUST NOT MATTER TO YOU?

A STUDLY LIKE THIS OR JUST NOT MATTER TO YOU?

>> IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT I MATTER TO YOU?

>> IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT I KIND OF -- MY CHILDREN GO, YEAH, >> IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT I KIND OF -- MY CHILDREN GO, YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE.

KIND OF -- MY CHILDREN GO, YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE.

THEN I LOOK AROUND AND SEE THAT THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE.

THEN I LOOK AROUND AND SEE THAT IT'S A BIG DEAL TO A LOT OF THEN I LOOK AROUND AND SEE THAT IT'S A BIG DEAL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

IT'S A BIG DEAL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

WHEN LIKE I SAID IN FAMILIES PEOPLE.

WHEN LIKE I SAID IN FAMILIES LIKE MINE THERE ARE A LOT OF WHEN LIKE I SAID IN FAMILIES LIKE MINE THERE ARE A LOT OF MOMS WHO ARE BREAD WINNERS OR LIKE MINE THERE ARE A LOT OF MOMS WHO ARE BREAD WINNERS OR PRIMARY BREAD WINNERS.

MOMS WHO ARE BREAD WINNERS OR PRIMARY BREAD WINNERS.

THERE ARE A LOOT OF FAMILIES' PRIMARY BREAD WINNERS.

THERE ARE A LOOT OF FAMILIES' HOUSEHOLDS WHERE PEOPLE SHARE THERE ARE A LOOT OF FAMILIES' HOUSEHOLDS WHERE PEOPLE SHARE THE WORK OF PARENTING AND HOUSEHOLDS WHERE PEOPLE SHARE THE WORK OF PARENTING AND SUPPORTING THE FAMILY EQUALLY.

THE WORK OF PARENTING AND SUPPORTING THE FAMILY EQUALLY.

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO SUPPORTING THE FAMILY EQUALLY.

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK HOW THOSE NUMBERS BREAK >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK HOW THOSE NUMBERS BREAK DOWN.

LOOK HOW THOSE NUMBERS BREAK DOWN.

THE TWO-PARENT HOUSEHOLD DOWN.

THE TWO-PARENT HOUSEHOLD REGARDLESS OF GENDER OR SINGLE THE TWO-PARENT HOUSEHOLD REGARDLESS OF GENDER OR SINGLE PARENT HOUSEHOLD, WHAT THE REGARDLESS OF GENDER OR SINGLE PARENT HOUSEHOLD, WHAT THE NUMBERS POINT TO THAT IT'S PARENT HOUSEHOLD, WHAT THE NUMBERS POINT TO THAT IT'S BETTER FOR CHILDREN TO BE RAISED NUMBERS POINT TO THAT IT'S BETTER FOR CHILDREN TO BE RAISED BY TWO PEOPLE SO THAT THERE IS BETTER FOR CHILDREN TO BE RAISED BY TWO PEOPLE SO THAT THERE IS SOMEONE -- THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BY TWO PEOPLE SO THAT THERE IS SOMEONE -- THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SHARING RESPONSIBILITY.

SOMEONE -- THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SHARING RESPONSIBILITY.

THERE ARE, IF SOMEONE LOSES ARE SHARING RESPONSIBILITY.

THERE ARE, IF SOMEONE LOSES THEIR JOB THERE IS ANOTHER THERE ARE, IF SOMEONE LOSES THEIR JOB THERE IS ANOTHER INCOME TO FALL BACK ON.

THEIR JOB THERE IS ANOTHER INCOME TO FALL BACK ON.

THAT'S REALLY TO ME WHERE THE INCOME TO FALL BACK ON.

THAT'S REALLY TO ME WHERE THE SLIT IS.

THAT'S REALLY TO ME WHERE THE SLIT IS.

THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE SLIT IS.

THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE INTERESTING.

THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE INTERESTING.

>> I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY INTERESTING.

>> I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT'S EASIER WITH TWO >> I CAN TELL YOU FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT'S EASIER WITH TWO PARENTS BECAUSE YOU CAN SHARE PERSPECTIVE IT'S EASIER WITH TWO PARENTS BECAUSE YOU CAN SHARE THE LOAD.

PARENTS BECAUSE YOU CAN SHARE THE LOAD.

BUT ALL FAMILIES NEED SUPPORT.

THE LOAD.

BUT ALL FAMILIES NEED SUPPORT.

>> EXACTLY.

BUT ALL FAMILIES NEED SUPPORT.

>> EXACTLY.

I LIKE TO SEE SOME BREAK DOWN OF >> EXACTLY.

I LIKE TO SEE SOME BREAK DOWN OF THESE NUMBERS, BECAUSE WHAT I I LIKE TO SEE SOME BREAK DOWN OF THESE NUMBERS, BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD THAT SAY WAS, EVEN IF THESE NUMBERS, BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD THAT SAY WAS, EVEN IF YOU'RE MARRIED AND WORKING HEARD THAT SAY WAS, EVEN IF YOU'RE MARRIED AND WORKING OUTSIDE THE HOME YOU'RE MAKING YOU'RE MARRIED AND WORKING OUTSIDE THE HOME YOU'RE MAKING MORE AS A WOMAN THAN YOU ARE OUTSIDE THE HOME YOU'RE MAKING MORE AS A WOMAN THAN YOU ARE WHEN YOU'RE NOT MARRIED.

MORE AS A WOMAN THAN YOU ARE WHEN YOU'RE NOT MARRIED.

A LOT OF THINGS COME IN TO PLAY.

WHEN YOU'RE NOT MARRIED.

A LOT OF THINGS COME IN TO PLAY.

ARE YOU DIVORCED, WHAT IS YOUR A LOT OF THINGS COME IN TO PLAY.

ARE YOU DIVORCED, WHAT IS YOUR SUPPORT SYSTEM.

ARE YOU DIVORCED, WHAT IS YOUR SUPPORT SYSTEM.

IS THE OTHER PERSON PAYING THE SUPPORT SYSTEM.

IS THE OTHER PERSON PAYING THE CHILD SUPPORT THAT THEY'RE IS THE OTHER PERSON PAYING THE CHILD SUPPORT THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.

CHILD SUPPORT THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.

WHEN YOU SEE FIGURES LIKE THIS SUPPOSED TO.

WHEN YOU SEE FIGURES LIKE THIS THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.

WHEN YOU SEE FIGURES LIKE THIS THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THESE WOMEN ARE FALLING DOWN IN THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THESE WOMEN ARE FALLING DOWN IN TO THIS LEVEL OF POVERTY THAT THESE WOMEN ARE FALLING DOWN IN TO THIS LEVEL OF POVERTY THAT THEY CAN'T PULL OUT AND THE TO THIS LEVEL OF POVERTY THAT THEY CAN'T PULL OUT AND THE CHILDREN ARE BEING RAISED IN THEY CAN'T PULL OUT AND THE CHILDREN ARE BEING RAISED IN THAT.

CHILDREN ARE BEING RAISED IN THAT.

SO I THINK WE WOULD DO NEED TO THAT.

SO I THINK WE WOULD DO NEED TO LOOK AT THE SUPPORT SYSTEM AND SO I THINK WE WOULD DO NEED TO LOOK AT THE SUPPORT SYSTEM AND HOW WE AS A SOCIETY SUPPORT LOOK AT THE SUPPORT SYSTEM AND HOW WE AS A SOCIETY SUPPORT SINGLE MOMS AND ENABLE THEM TO HOW WE AS A SOCIETY SUPPORT SINGLE MOMS AND ENABLE THEM TO MOVE AHEAD.

SINGLE MOMS AND ENABLE THEM TO MOVE AHEAD.

>> SINGLE PARENTS PERIOD.

MOVE AHEAD.

>> SINGLE PARENTS PERIOD.

>> I DO THINK WHAT THE SUPPORT >> SINGLE PARENTS PERIOD.

>> I DO THINK WHAT THE SUPPORT SAYS IS THAT WHITE, COLLEGE >> I DO THINK WHAT THE SUPPORT SAYS IS THAT WHITE, COLLEGE EDUCATED WOMEN WHO ARE MARRIED SAYS IS THAT WHITE, COLLEGE EDUCATED WOMEN WHO ARE MARRIED AND SHARE THE ECONOMIC SUPPORT EDUCATED WOMEN WHO ARE MARRIED AND SHARE THE ECONOMIC SUPPORT WITH THEIR HUSBANDS ARE CLEARLY AND SHARE THE ECONOMIC SUPPORT WITH THEIR HUSBANDS ARE CLEARLY DOING A LOT BETTER ECONOMICALLY WITH THEIR HUSBANDS ARE CLEARLY DOING A LOT BETTER ECONOMICALLY THAN THEIR MOTHERS AND DOING A LOT BETTER ECONOMICALLY THAN THEIR MOTHERS AND GRANDMOTHERS.

THAN THEIR MOTHERS AND GRANDMOTHERS.

ON THE OTHER HAND LATINAS, GRANDMOTHERS.

ON THE OTHER HAND LATINAS, AFRICAN AMERICANS, SINGLE -- ON THE OTHER HAND LATINAS, AFRICAN AMERICANS, SINGLE -- WOMEN WHO GET PREGNANT IN THEIR AFRICAN AMERICANS, SINGLE -- WOMEN WHO GET PREGNANT IN THEIR TEENS DON'T FINISH COLLEGE AND WOMEN WHO GET PREGNANT IN THEIR TEENS DON'T FINISH COLLEGE AND HAVE KIDS ON THEIR OWN STARTING TEENS DON'T FINISH COLLEGE AND HAVE KIDS ON THEIR OWN STARTING THEIR OWN SINGLE HEADED HAVE KIDS ON THEIR OWN STARTING THEIR OWN SINGLE HEADED HOUSEHOLDS ARE DOING TERRIBLY.

THEIR OWN SINGLE HEADED HOUSEHOLDS ARE DOING TERRIBLY.

WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT.

HOUSEHOLDS ARE DOING TERRIBLY.

WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT.

>> YOU ALREADY HAD ISSUE OF WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT.

>> YOU ALREADY HAD ISSUE OF DIMINISHED SUPPORT SYSTEMS >> YOU ALREADY HAD ISSUE OF DIMINISHED SUPPORT SYSTEMS PRESENT OF A A CAN AMERICAN DIMINISHED SUPPORT SYSTEMS PRESENT OF A A CAN AMERICAN COMMUNITIES ON A LOT OF LEVELS PRESENT OF A A CAN AMERICAN COMMUNITIES ON A LOT OF LEVELS YOU HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION COMMUNITIES ON A LOT OF LEVELS YOU HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.

YOU HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.

SUDDENLY IN A SITUATION WHERE ABOUT THAT.

SUDDENLY IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE A SINGLE MOTHER YOU FEEL SUDDENLY IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE A SINGLE MOTHER YOU FEEL ALONE WHERE YOU ARE ACTUALLY ARE YOU'RE A SINGLE MOTHER YOU FEEL ALONE WHERE YOU ARE ACTUALLY ARE ALONE, DIMINISHED SUPPORT ALONE WHERE YOU ARE ACTUALLY ARE ALONE, DIMINISHED SUPPORT SYSTEMS MAYBE IN TERMS OF YOUR ALONE, DIMINISHED SUPPORT SYSTEMS MAYBE IN TERMS OF YOUR FAMILY, IN TERMS OF CULTURE AND SYSTEMS MAYBE IN TERMS OF YOUR FAMILY, IN TERMS OF CULTURE AND THE COMMUNITY WHERE YOU RESIDE FAMILY, IN TERMS OF CULTURE AND THE COMMUNITY WHERE YOU RESIDE ALSO DIMINISHED SUPPORT SYSTEMS THE COMMUNITY WHERE YOU RESIDE ALSO DIMINISHED SUPPORT SYSTEMS LIKE WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW ALSO DIMINISHED SUPPORT SYSTEMS LIKE WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW TAKING PLACE IN TERMS OF SOCIAL LIKE WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW TAKING PLACE IN TERMS OF SOCIAL SERVICES AND SOCIAL PROGRAMS.

TAKING PLACE IN TERMS OF SOCIAL SERVICES AND SOCIAL PROGRAMS.

I THINK A BIG PART OF THE SERVICES AND SOCIAL PROGRAMS.

I THINK A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM WHY WE'RE SEEING SO MANY I THINK A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM WHY WE'RE SEEING SO MANY WOMEN FALL IN TO POVERTY BECAUSE PROBLEM WHY WE'RE SEEING SO MANY WOMEN FALL IN TO POVERTY BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING THIS CULTURAL WOMEN FALL IN TO POVERTY BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING THIS CULTURAL CONVERSATION ABOUT SINGLE WOMEN WE'RE HAVING THIS CULTURAL CONVERSATION ABOUT SINGLE WOMEN AS HEAD OF HOUSEHOLDS AS FAR AS CONVERSATION ABOUT SINGLE WOMEN AS HEAD OF HOUSEHOLDS AS FAR AS TWO DADS.

AS HEAD OF HOUSEHOLDS AS FAR AS TWO DADS.

WE'RE NOT HAVING AN ECONOMIC TWO DADS.

WE'RE NOT HAVING AN ECONOMIC CONVERSATION BUT MORE PRAGMATIC WE'RE NOT HAVING AN ECONOMIC CONVERSATION BUT MORE PRAGMATIC CONVERSATION HOW SOCIETY ADAPTS CONVERSATION BUT MORE PRAGMATIC CONVERSATION HOW SOCIETY ADAPTS TO THIS NEW REALITY, HOW DO JOBS CONVERSATION HOW SOCIETY ADAPTS TO THIS NEW REALITY, HOW DO JOBS AND EMPLOYERS ADAPT TO THIS NEW TO THIS NEW REALITY, HOW DO JOBS AND EMPLOYERS ADAPT TO THIS NEW REALITY SO PEOPLE AREN'T AND EMPLOYERS ADAPT TO THIS NEW REALITY SO PEOPLE AREN'T STRESSED OUT.

REALITY SO PEOPLE AREN'T STRESSED OUT.

>> THERE'S AN ECONOMIC NECESSITY STRESSED OUT.

>> THERE'S AN ECONOMIC NECESSITY IN A LOT OF CASES, ONE OF THE >> THERE'S AN ECONOMIC NECESSITY IN A LOT OF CASES, ONE OF THE STATISTICS BEHIND THE STATISTIC IN A LOT OF CASES, ONE OF THE STATISTICS BEHIND THE STATISTIC ABOUT WOMEN BEING BREAD WINNERS STATISTICS BEHIND THE STATISTIC ABOUT WOMEN BEING BREAD WINNERS IS THAT MEN'S WAGES HAVE ABOUT WOMEN BEING BREAD WINNERS IS THAT MEN'S WAGES HAVE STAGNATED OR DECLINED THEY HAVE IS THAT MEN'S WAGES HAVE STAGNATED OR DECLINED THEY HAVE DROPPED 11% SINCE IS THE 70.

STAGNATED OR DECLINED THEY HAVE DROPPED 11% SINCE IS THE 70.

IN A LOT OF CASES A LOT OF WOMEN DROPPED 11% SINCE IS THE 70.

IN A LOT OF CASES A LOT OF WOMEN EVEN MARRIED WOMEN ARE GOING TO IN A LOT OF CASES A LOT OF WOMEN EVEN MARRIED WOMEN ARE GOING TO WORK OUT OF NECESSITY AND LOT OF EVEN MARRIED WOMEN ARE GOING TO WORK OUT OF NECESSITY AND LOT OF THESE WOMEN ARE AMONG THE WORK OUT OF NECESSITY AND LOT OF THESE WOMEN ARE AMONG THE WORKING POOR, ARE AMONG THE THESE WOMEN ARE AMONG THE WORKING POOR, ARE AMONG THE WORKERS OUT THERE WHO DON'T EARN WORKING POOR, ARE AMONG THE WORKERS OUT THERE WHO DON'T EARN A LIVING WAGE, PERIOD.

WORKERS OUT THERE WHO DON'T EARN A LIVING WAGE, PERIOD.

THERE'S A BIGGER STORY BEHIND A LIVING WAGE, PERIOD.

THERE'S A BIGGER STORY BEHIND THAT.

THERE'S A BIGGER STORY BEHIND THAT.

>> QUITE FRANKLY I THINK IT THAT.

>> QUITE FRANKLY I THINK IT SHOWS THAT THE MORE EDUCATION >> QUITE FRANKLY I THINK IT SHOWS THAT THE MORE EDUCATION YOU GIVE TO WOMEN THE MORE MONEY SHOWS THAT THE MORE EDUCATION YOU GIVE TO WOMEN THE MORE MONEY THEY CAN MAKE AND MORE POWERFUL YOU GIVE TO WOMEN THE MORE MONEY THEY CAN MAKE AND MORE POWERFUL THEY BECOME.

THEY CAN MAKE AND MORE POWERFUL THEY BECOME.

>> AND THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS THEY BECOME.

>> AND THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS WAIT TO HAVE KIDS UNTIL YOU HAVE >> AND THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS WAIT TO HAVE KIDS UNTIL YOU HAVE YOUR EDUCATION.

WAIT TO HAVE KIDS UNTIL YOU HAVE YOUR EDUCATION.

>> BUT ONCE THEY'RE HERE WE ALL YOUR EDUCATION.

>> BUT ONCE THEY'RE HERE WE ALL BENEFIT FROM HAVING KIDS GROW UP >> BUT ONCE THEY'RE HERE WE ALL BENEFIT FROM HAVING KIDS GROW UP IN STABLE, LOVING HOMES.

BENEFIT FROM HAVING KIDS GROW UP IN STABLE, LOVING HOMES.

AND IN HOMES WHERE THE PARENTS IN STABLE, LOVING HOMES.

AND IN HOMES WHERE THE PARENTS CAN BE THERE FOR THEM SO WE AS A AND IN HOMES WHERE THE PARENTS CAN BE THERE FOR THEM SO WE AS A SOCIETY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WAY CAN BE THERE FOR THEM SO WE AS A SOCIETY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WAY TO SUPPORT THOSE FAMILIES IN ANY SOCIETY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WAY TO SUPPORT THOSE FAMILIES IN ANY CONFIGURATION.

TO SUPPORT THOSE FAMILIES IN ANY CONFIGURATION.

ALL RIGHT.

CONFIGURATION.

ALL RIGHT.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

ALL RIGHT.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

SINGLE DADS.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES.

SINGLE DADS.

THERE ARE 70 MILLION FATHERS IN SINGLE DADS.

THERE ARE 70 MILLION FATHERS IN THE U.S. OF WHOM 1.8 MILLION OF THERE ARE 70 MILLION FATHERS IN THE U.S. OF WHOM 1.8 MILLION OF THEM ARE SINGLE.

THE U.S. OF WHOM 1.8 MILLION OF THEM ARE SINGLE.

THIS FATHER'S DAY WE LOOK AT HOW THEM ARE SINGLE.

THIS FATHER'S DAY WE LOOK AT HOW IT'S BECOMING MUCH EASIER FOR THIS FATHER'S DAY WE LOOK AT HOW IT'S BECOMING MUCH EASIER FOR MEN TO HAVE CHILDREN WITHOUT A IT'S BECOMING MUCH EASIER FOR MEN TO HAVE CHILDREN WITHOUT A PARTNER.

MEN TO HAVE CHILDREN WITHOUT A PARTNER.

AND THEIR VISIBILITY IN POPULAR PARTNER.

AND THEIR VISIBILITY IN POPULAR CULTURE IS RISING TOO, WITH AND THEIR VISIBILITY IN POPULAR CULTURE IS RISING TOO, WITH STARS SUCH AS RICKY MARTIN AND CULTURE IS RISING TOO, WITH STARS SUCH AS RICKY MARTIN AND CLAY AIKEN BECOMING SINGLE STARS SUCH AS RICKY MARTIN AND CLAY AIKEN BECOMING SINGLE FATHERS.

CLAY AIKEN BECOMING SINGLE FATHERS.

IT'S A NEW TAKE ON FATHERS.

IT'S A NEW TAKE ON NON-TRADITIONAL FAMILIES.

IT'S A NEW TAKE ON NON-TRADITIONAL FAMILIES.

>> IT WASN'T AS EASY TO DO THIS NON-TRADITIONAL FAMILIES.

>> IT WASN'T AS EASY TO DO THIS 10 YEARS AGO.

>> IT WASN'T AS EASY TO DO THIS 10 YEARS AGO.

THE WORLD IS CHANGING.

10 YEARS AGO.

THE WORLD IS CHANGING.

THE AVAILABILITY OF - THE THE WORLD IS CHANGING.

THE AVAILABILITY OF - THE TECHNOLOGY WAS THERE, BUT THE THE AVAILABILITY OF - THE TECHNOLOGY WAS THERE, BUT THE CULTURAL AWARENESS MAYBE WASN'T TECHNOLOGY WAS THERE, BUT THE CULTURAL AWARENESS MAYBE WASN'T THERE 10 YEARS AGO.

CULTURAL AWARENESS MAYBE WASN'T THERE 10 YEARS AGO.

AND 10 YEARS AGO.

THERE 10 YEARS AGO.

AND 10 YEARS AGO.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT ADOPTING.

AND 10 YEARS AGO.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT ADOPTING.

>> BUT ADOPTION ISN'T ALWAYS I WAS THINKING ABOUT ADOPTING.

>> BUT ADOPTION ISN'T ALWAYS EASY.

>> BUT ADOPTION ISN'T ALWAYS EASY.

AS TIME WENT ON, JOHNSON EASY.

AS TIME WENT ON, JOHNSON CONSIDERED OTHER OPTIONS.

AS TIME WENT ON, JOHNSON CONSIDERED OTHER OPTIONS.

>> I'M GAY.

CONSIDERED OTHER OPTIONS.

>> I'M GAY.

SO GETTING MARRIED WAS NOT >> I'M GAY.

SO GETTING MARRIED WAS NOT REALLY AN OPTION.

SO GETTING MARRIED WAS NOT REALLY AN OPTION.

SO I DISCOVERED YOU COULD FATHER REALLY AN OPTION.

SO I DISCOVERED YOU COULD FATHER A CHILD THROUGH SOMETHING CALLED SO I DISCOVERED YOU COULD FATHER A CHILD THROUGH SOMETHING CALLED GESTATIONAL SURROGACY, WHICH NOT A CHILD THROUGH SOMETHING CALLED GESTATIONAL SURROGACY, WHICH NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT, I DIDN'T GESTATIONAL SURROGACY, WHICH NOT EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT, I DIDN'T WHEN I STARTED.

EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT, I DIDN'T WHEN I STARTED.

IT WASN'T AS IF I WENT OUT WHEN I STARTED.

IT WASN'T AS IF I WENT OUT THINKING THAT I WOULD FATHER A IT WASN'T AS IF I WENT OUT THINKING THAT I WOULD FATHER A CHILD WITH GESTATIONAL THINKING THAT I WOULD FATHER A CHILD WITH GESTATIONAL SURROGACY.

CHILD WITH GESTATIONAL SURROGACY.

BUT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN FIND A SURROGACY.

BUT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN FIND A WONDERFUL ANONYMOUS EGG DONOR, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN FIND A WONDERFUL ANONYMOUS EGG DONOR, AND THE WOMAN WHO CARRIED MY WONDERFUL ANONYMOUS EGG DONOR, AND THE WOMAN WHO CARRIED MY DAUGHTER, SOFIA, I CALL HER MY AND THE WOMAN WHO CARRIED MY DAUGHTER, SOFIA, I CALL HER MY "EARTH ANGEL".

DAUGHTER, SOFIA, I CALL HER MY "EARTH ANGEL".

SOMEONE WILLING TO DO THAT FOR "EARTH ANGEL".

SOMEONE WILLING TO DO THAT FOR YOU AND YOU CAN BE THE SOMEONE WILLING TO DO THAT FOR YOU AND YOU CAN BE THE BIOLOGICAL FATHER OF YOUR CHILD YOU AND YOU CAN BE THE BIOLOGICAL FATHER OF YOUR CHILD IS FASCINATING BIOLOGICAL FATHER OF YOUR CHILD IS FASCINATING >> JOHNSON WAS FORTUNATE HE IS FASCINATING >> JOHNSON WAS FORTUNATE HE COULD PROVIDE FOR A CHILD >> JOHNSON WAS FORTUNATE HE COULD PROVIDE FOR A CHILD FINANCIALLY AND EMOTIONALLY.

FINANCIALLY AND EMOTIONALLY.

>> I CHANGED MY ENTIRE LIFE TO >> I CHANGED MY ENTIRE LIFE TO BE A FATHER THE WAY THAT I FELT >> I CHANGED MY ENTIRE LIFE TO BE A FATHER THE WAY THAT I FELT WAS BEST.

BE A FATHER THE WAY THAT I FELT WAS BEST.

THE BUSINESS THAT I HAD FOUNDED WAS BEST.

THE BUSINESS THAT I HAD FOUNDED AND BUILT, I SOLD.

THE BUSINESS THAT I HAD FOUNDED AND BUILT, I SOLD.

THEN I CHANGED THE WAY I WORK TO AND BUILT, I SOLD.

THEN I CHANGED THE WAY I WORK TO WORK PRIMARILY FROM HOME.

THEN I CHANGED THE WAY I WORK TO WORK PRIMARILY FROM HOME.

>> AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH ON WORK PRIMARILY FROM HOME.

>> AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH ON WHERE HE COULD MOST EASILY FIND >> AFTER DOING SOME RESEARCH ON WHERE HE COULD MOST EASILY FIND A SURROGATE MOTHER, JOHNSON WHERE HE COULD MOST EASILY FIND A SURROGATE MOTHER, JOHNSON CHOSE TO GO TO GUATAMALA.

A SURROGATE MOTHER, JOHNSON CHOSE TO GO TO GUATAMALA.

JOHNSON BECAME VERY INVOLVED IN CHOSE TO GO TO GUATAMALA.

JOHNSON BECAME VERY INVOLVED IN THE PREGNANCY - FLYING BACK AND JOHNSON BECAME VERY INVOLVED IN THE PREGNANCY - FLYING BACK AND FORTH TO CHECK ON HER.

FORTH TO CHECK ON HER.

>> I WAS MUCH MORE INVOLVED THAN >> I WAS MUCH MORE INVOLVED THAN I BELIEVE MOST PEOPLE EXPECT OR >> I WAS MUCH MORE INVOLVED THAN I BELIEVE MOST PEOPLE EXPECT OR DO THEMSELVES.

I BELIEVE MOST PEOPLE EXPECT OR DO THEMSELVES.

I WENT TO EVERY MAJOR EXAM.

DO THEMSELVES.

I WENT TO EVERY MAJOR EXAM.

I WAS THERE AS MUCH AS I I WENT TO EVERY MAJOR EXAM.

I WAS THERE AS MUCH AS I POSSIBLY COULD.

I WAS THERE AS MUCH AS I POSSIBLY COULD.

I DID MY BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT POSSIBLY COULD.

I DID MY BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT HER SURROGATE MOTHER WAS I DID MY BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT HER SURROGATE MOTHER WAS EXTREMELY COMFORTABLE AND HER SURROGATE MOTHER WAS EXTREMELY COMFORTABLE AND WELL-CARED FOR.

EXTREMELY COMFORTABLE AND WELL-CARED FOR.

SO THAT SHE COULD BE VERY WELL-CARED FOR.

SO THAT SHE COULD BE VERY HEALTHY DURING THE PROCESS.

SO THAT SHE COULD BE VERY HEALTHY DURING THE PROCESS.

>> ON THE DAY HIS DAUGHTER WAS HEALTHY DURING THE PROCESS.

>> ON THE DAY HIS DAUGHTER WAS BORN, JOHNSON WAS RIGHT THERE BY >> ON THE DAY HIS DAUGHTER WAS BORN, JOHNSON WAS RIGHT THERE BY THE SURROGATE'S SIDE.

BORN, JOHNSON WAS RIGHT THERE BY THE SURROGATE'S SIDE.

>> IT WAS SPECTACULAR.

THE SURROGATE'S SIDE.

>> IT WAS SPECTACULAR.

IT WAS AN EXPERIENCE THAT IS >> IT WAS SPECTACULAR.

IT WAS AN EXPERIENCE THAT IS INDESCRIBABLE.

IT WAS AN EXPERIENCE THAT IS INDESCRIBABLE.

BECAUSE I PERSONALLY HAVE NEVER INDESCRIBABLE.

BECAUSE I PERSONALLY HAVE NEVER BEEN VERY COMFORTABLE WITH BECAUSE I PERSONALLY HAVE NEVER BEEN VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THINGS LIKE OPERATIONS AND BEEN VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THINGS LIKE OPERATIONS AND SURGICAL PROCEDURES, BECAUSE SHE THINGS LIKE OPERATIONS AND SURGICAL PROCEDURES, BECAUSE SHE WAS A C-SECTION.

SURGICAL PROCEDURES, BECAUSE SHE WAS A C-SECTION.

AND I DIDN'T BAT AN EYE, IT WAS WAS A C-SECTION.

AND I DIDN'T BAT AN EYE, IT WAS WONDERFUL, IT WAS LIKE MY HEART AND I DIDN'T BAT AN EYE, IT WAS WONDERFUL, IT WAS LIKE MY HEART OPENED IMMEDIATELY.

WONDERFUL, IT WAS LIKE MY HEART OPENED IMMEDIATELY.

AND, THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN OPENED IMMEDIATELY.

AND, THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN MAYBE TEN MINUTES AFTER HER AND, THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN MAYBE TEN MINUTES AFTER HER FIRST BATH, WHEN THEY DRESSED MAYBE TEN MINUTES AFTER HER FIRST BATH, WHEN THEY DRESSED HER.

FIRST BATH, WHEN THEY DRESSED HER.

SHE'S LOOKING AT ME RIGHT IN MY HER.

SHE'S LOOKING AT ME RIGHT IN MY EYES, AND FRIENDS HAVE LOOKED AT SHE'S LOOKING AT ME RIGHT IN MY EYES, AND FRIENDS HAVE LOOKED AT IT, AND MY FAMILY, AND THEY SAY EYES, AND FRIENDS HAVE LOOKED AT IT, AND MY FAMILY, AND THEY SAY IT'S AMAZING, "SHE LOOKS AT YOU IT, AND MY FAMILY, AND THEY SAY IT'S AMAZING, "SHE LOOKS AT YOU AS IF SHE KNOWS YOU ALREADY."

IT'S AMAZING, "SHE LOOKS AT YOU AS IF SHE KNOWS YOU ALREADY."

IT WAS MAGICAL.

AS IF SHE KNOWS YOU ALREADY."

IT WAS MAGICAL.

>> NOW ABOUT FIVE MONTHS OLD, IT WAS MAGICAL.

>> NOW ABOUT FIVE MONTHS OLD, SOPHIA HAS A LARGE DOTING FAMILY >> NOW ABOUT FIVE MONTHS OLD, SOPHIA HAS A LARGE DOTING FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND A STAY AT HOME SOPHIA HAS A LARGE DOTING FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND A STAY AT HOME DAD.

DAD.

>> I DID NOT ANTICIPATE BEING >> I DID NOT ANTICIPATE BEING HER PRIMARY CAREGIVER IN THE >> I DID NOT ANTICIPATE BEING HER PRIMARY CAREGIVER IN THE BEGINNING, I THOUGHT I'D HAVE HER PRIMARY CAREGIVER IN THE BEGINNING, I THOUGHT I'D HAVE SUPPORT AND HELP IN A NANNY.

BEGINNING, I THOUGHT I'D HAVE SUPPORT AND HELP IN A NANNY.

THAT WAS MY PLAN, BUT WHAT SUPPORT AND HELP IN A NANNY.

THAT WAS MY PLAN, BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN I GOT HER THAT WAS MY PLAN, BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS WHEN I GOT HER FIRST SMILE, WHEN I EXPERIENCED HAPPENED WAS WHEN I GOT HER FIRST SMILE, WHEN I EXPERIENCED HER GROWTH, SO TO SPEAK, THE FIRST SMILE, WHEN I EXPERIENCED HER GROWTH, SO TO SPEAK, THE IDEA OF A NANNY QUICKLY MOVED TO HER GROWTH, SO TO SPEAK, THE IDEA OF A NANNY QUICKLY MOVED TO THE SIDE.

IDEA OF A NANNY QUICKLY MOVED TO THE SIDE.

I KNOW I'LL NEED HELP SOMEDAY, THE SIDE.

I KNOW I'LL NEED HELP SOMEDAY, BUT RIGHT NOW I WANT TO ENJOY I KNOW I'LL NEED HELP SOMEDAY, BUT RIGHT NOW I WANT TO ENJOY EVERY MINUTE.

BUT RIGHT NOW I WANT TO ENJOY EVERY MINUTE.

>> JOHNSON SAYS MANY PEOPLE HE EVERY MINUTE.

>> JOHNSON SAYS MANY PEOPLE HE AND SOPHIA MEET WANT MORE >> JOHNSON SAYS MANY PEOPLE HE AND SOPHIA MEET WANT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT SURROGACY AND AND SOPHIA MEET WANT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT SURROGACY AND HIS LIFE AS A SINGLE FATHER.

INFORMATION ABOUT SURROGACY AND HIS LIFE AS A SINGLE FATHER.

HE'S THINKING ABOUT HAVING HIS LIFE AS A SINGLE FATHER.

HE'S THINKING ABOUT HAVING ANOTHER CHILD.

HE'S THINKING ABOUT HAVING ANOTHER CHILD.

COMING FROM A CLOSE FAMILY HE ANOTHER CHILD.

COMING FROM A CLOSE FAMILY HE BELIEVES SOPHIA SHOULDN'T BE AN COMING FROM A CLOSE FAMILY HE BELIEVES SOPHIA SHOULDN'T BE AN ONLY CHILD.

BELIEVES SOPHIA SHOULDN'T BE AN ONLY CHILD.

AND WHILE SOPHIA WILL NOT HAVE A ONLY CHILD.

AND WHILE SOPHIA WILL NOT HAVE A MOTHER, JOHNSON SAYS THROUGH AND WHILE SOPHIA WILL NOT HAVE A MOTHER, JOHNSON SAYS THROUGH FAMILY AND FRIENDS, SHE WILL MOTHER, JOHNSON SAYS THROUGH FAMILY AND FRIENDS, SHE WILL HAVE PLENTY OF FEMALE ROLE FAMILY AND FRIENDS, SHE WILL HAVE PLENTY OF FEMALE ROLE MODELS.

HAVE PLENTY OF FEMALE ROLE MODELS.

>> THIS WAS MY MAIN PERSONAL MODELS.

>> THIS WAS MY MAIN PERSONAL CONSIDERATION.

>> THIS WAS MY MAIN PERSONAL CONSIDERATION.

WHEN SHE'S OLD ENOUGH TO TALK CONSIDERATION.

WHEN SHE'S OLD ENOUGH TO TALK WITH HER FRIENDS AT SCHOOL, AND WHEN SHE'S OLD ENOUGH TO TALK WITH HER FRIENDS AT SCHOOL, AND UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF HER WITH HER FRIENDS AT SCHOOL, AND UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF HER FAMILY STRUCTURE, HER FRIEND IS UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF HER FAMILY STRUCTURE, HER FRIEND IS GOING TO SAY, "OH, THAT'S REALLY FAMILY STRUCTURE, HER FRIEND IS GOING TO SAY, "OH, THAT'S REALLY NEAT, YOU ONLY HAVE ONE DAD, GOING TO SAY, "OH, THAT'S REALLY NEAT, YOU ONLY HAVE ONE DAD, WELL, I ONLY HAVE ONE MOM."

NEAT, YOU ONLY HAVE ONE DAD, WELL, I ONLY HAVE ONE MOM."

OR ANOTHER FRIEND WILL SAY "OH, WELL, I ONLY HAVE ONE MOM."

OR ANOTHER FRIEND WILL SAY "OH, I HAVE TWO DADS."

OR ANOTHER FRIEND WILL SAY "OH, I HAVE TWO DADS."

OR ANOTHER FRIEND WILL SAY, I HAVE TWO DADS."

OR ANOTHER FRIEND WILL SAY, "WELL, I HAVE TWO MOMS."

OR ANOTHER FRIEND WILL SAY, "WELL, I HAVE TWO MOMS."

OR ANOTHER FRIEND WOULD SAY "I "WELL, I HAVE TWO MOMS."

OR ANOTHER FRIEND WOULD SAY "I HAVE A MOTHER AND A FATHER, I OR ANOTHER FRIEND WOULD SAY "I HAVE A MOTHER AND A FATHER, I LIVE WITH THEM."

HAVE A MOTHER AND A FATHER, I LIVE WITH THEM."

AND ANOTHER WOULD SAY "I HAVE A LIVE WITH THEM."

AND ANOTHER WOULD SAY "I HAVE A MOTHER AND A FATHER, BUT MY AND ANOTHER WOULD SAY "I HAVE A MOTHER AND A FATHER, BUT MY FATHER LIVES IN CALIFORNIA, AND MOTHER AND A FATHER, BUT MY FATHER LIVES IN CALIFORNIA, AND I LIVE WITH MY MOTHER HERE."

FATHER LIVES IN CALIFORNIA, AND I LIVE WITH MY MOTHER HERE."

THAT IS THE NATURE OF THE WORLD.

I LIVE WITH MY MOTHER HERE."

THAT IS THE NATURE OF THE WORLD.

>> SO, IS IT SURPRISING TO SEE A THAT IS THE NATURE OF THE WORLD.

>> SO, IS IT SURPRISING TO SEE A FATHER NOT ONLY WANTS A CHILD WE >> SO, IS IT SURPRISING TO SEE A FATHER NOT ONLY WANTS A CHILD WE SEE THAT ALL OVER THE PLACE, FATHER NOT ONLY WANTS A CHILD WE SEE THAT ALL OVER THE PLACE, WANTS TO FULL TIME PARENT.

SEE THAT ALL OVER THE PLACE, WANTS TO FULL TIME PARENT.

>> IT'S THE SAME DESIRE, THE WANTS TO FULL TIME PARENT.

>> IT'S THE SAME DESIRE, THE SAME DESIRE THAT DRIVES WOMEN TO >> IT'S THE SAME DESIRE, THE SAME DESIRE THAT DRIVES WOMEN TO FIND WAYS TO BECOME MOTHERS EVEN SAME DESIRE THAT DRIVES WOMEN TO FIND WAYS TO BECOME MOTHERS EVEN IF THEY HAVEN'T FOUND A PARTNER FIND WAYS TO BECOME MOTHERS EVEN IF THEY HAVEN'T FOUND A PARTNER YET.

IF THEY HAVEN'T FOUND A PARTNER YET.

IT'S THE SAME FOR MEN, I THINK.

YET.

IT'S THE SAME FOR MEN, I THINK.

>> IS IT REALLY THE SAME FOR ALL IT'S THE SAME FOR MEN, I THINK.

>> IS IT REALLY THE SAME FOR ALL MEN?

>> IS IT REALLY THE SAME FOR ALL MEN?

>> NOT ALL MEN.

MEN?

>> NOT ALL MEN.

>> SIT THE SAME FOR THE SAME >> NOT ALL MEN.

>> SIT THE SAME FOR THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF MEN AS IT IS FOR >> SIT THE SAME FOR THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF MEN AS IT IS FOR WOMEN?

PERCENTAGE OF MEN AS IT IS FOR WOMEN?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

WOMEN?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I CAN SPEAK PERSONALLY THAT I DON'T KNOW.

BUT I CAN SPEAK PERSONALLY THAT THE DESIRE TO BE A PARENT IS BUT I CAN SPEAK PERSONALLY THAT THE DESIRE TO BE A PARENT IS SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM INSIDE THE DESIRE TO BE A PARENT IS SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM INSIDE OF YOU, JUST LIKE IT DOES WITH SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM INSIDE OF YOU, JUST LIKE IT DOES WITH MEN OR WOMEN IT'S NOT A OF YOU, JUST LIKE IT DOES WITH MEN OR WOMEN IT'S NOT A MALE-FEMALE THING NOT A GAY MEN OR WOMEN IT'S NOT A MALE-FEMALE THING NOT A GAY THING OR STRAIGHT THING IT'S A MALE-FEMALE THING NOT A GAY THING OR STRAIGHT THING IT'S A HUMAN THING.

THING OR STRAIGHT THING IT'S A HUMAN THING.

>> DO YOU SEE THAT IN YOUR HUMAN THING.

>> DO YOU SEE THAT IN YOUR HUSBAND WITH YOU BEING PREGNANT >> DO YOU SEE THAT IN YOUR HUSBAND WITH YOU BEING PREGNANT AT THIS POINT?

HUSBAND WITH YOU BEING PREGNANT AT THIS POINT?

>> I'M LIKE REALLY EMOTIONAL AT THIS POINT?

>> I'M LIKE REALLY EMOTIONAL AFTER SEEING THAT.

>> I'M LIKE REALLY EMOTIONAL AFTER SEEING THAT.

THAT WAS -- HE'S REALLY EXCITED AFTER SEEING THAT.

THAT WAS -- HE'S REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT WITHIN WE FIRST GOT THAT WAS -- HE'S REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT WITHIN WE FIRST GOT MARRIED, I COULD TAKE OR LEAVE ABOUT IT WITHIN WE FIRST GOT MARRIED, I COULD TAKE OR LEAVE BEING A DAD NOW HE'S SO INVESTED MARRIED, I COULD TAKE OR LEAVE BEING A DAD NOW HE'S SO INVESTED IN IT.

BEING A DAD NOW HE'S SO INVESTED IN IT.

IT'S 'A MAIZING TO SEE THESE IN IT.

IT'S 'A MAIZING TO SEE THESE FEELINGS DEVELOP.

IT'S 'A MAIZING TO SEE THESE FEELINGS DEVELOP.

I THINK IT'S TERRIFIC THAT THESE FEELINGS DEVELOP.

I THINK IT'S TERRIFIC THAT THESE OPTIONS ARE NOW OPEN TO FATHERS I THINK IT'S TERRIFIC THAT THESE OPTIONS ARE NOW OPEN TO FATHERS THAT THEY WEREN'T BEFORE, WE OPTIONS ARE NOW OPEN TO FATHERS THAT THEY WEREN'T BEFORE, WE HAVE ADOPTION PROBLEM IN THIS THAT THEY WEREN'T BEFORE, WE HAVE ADOPTION PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY, WE HAVE FOSTER CARE HAVE ADOPTION PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY, WE HAVE FOSTER CARE PROBLEMS IN THIS COUNTRY THE COUNTRY, WE HAVE FOSTER CARE PROBLEMS IN THIS COUNTRY THE FACT THAT THIS THAT PROBLEMS IN THIS COUNTRY THE FACT THAT THIS THAT WE CAN -- NOT STIGMATIZED IS FACT THAT THIS THAT WE CAN -- NOT STIGMATIZED IS TERRIFIC.

WE CAN -- NOT STIGMATIZED IS TERRIFIC.

>> I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL TERRIFIC.

>> I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING PARTICULARLY WITH ALL >> I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING PARTICULARLY WITH ALL THESE OPTIONS, I'LL GO OUT ON A THING PARTICULARLY WITH ALL THESE OPTIONS, I'LL GO OUT ON A LIMB AND RAISE SOME CONCERNS, THESE OPTIONS, I'LL GO OUT ON A LIMB AND RAISE SOME CONCERNS, CONCERNS FIRST ARE, ONE, 100,000 LIMB AND RAISE SOME CONCERNS, CONCERNS FIRST ARE, ONE, 100,000 PLUS DOLLARS TO ENGAGE IN THAT CONCERNS FIRST ARE, ONE, 100,000 PLUS DOLLARS TO ENGAGE IN THAT SORT OF SURROGACY SET UP.

PLUS DOLLARS TO ENGAGE IN THAT SORT OF SURROGACY SET UP.

>> IT'S NOT FOR POOR PEOPLE.

SORT OF SURROGACY SET UP.

>> IT'S NOT FOR POOR PEOPLE.

>> THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET IN >> IT'S NOT FOR POOR PEOPLE.

>> THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET IN TO THESE QUESTIONS AS IT BECOMES >> THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET IN TO THESE QUESTIONS AS IT BECOMES MORE POPULAR AND OPTION BECOMES TO THESE QUESTIONS AS IT BECOMES MORE POPULAR AND OPTION BECOMES MORE ATTAINABLE WHO CAN AFFORD MORE POPULAR AND OPTION BECOMES MORE ATTAINABLE WHO CAN AFFORD IT.

MORE ATTAINABLE WHO CAN AFFORD IT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BREAK DOWN IT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BREAK DOWN BY RACE AND CLASS.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BREAK DOWN BY RACE AND CLASS.

THE OTHER THING, TOO, IN TERMS BY RACE AND CLASS.

THE OTHER THING, TOO, IN TERMS OF -- THE OTHER THING, TOO, IN TERMS OF -- >> LET ME -- BREAK DOWN, LET'S OF -- >> LET ME -- BREAK DOWN, LET'S ASSUME -- MAKE FAIR ASSUMPTION >> LET ME -- BREAK DOWN, LET'S ASSUME -- MAKE FAIR ASSUMPTION THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR AND LOW ASSUME -- MAKE FAIR ASSUMPTION THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR AND LOW NORTH CAROLINA WHITE PEOPLE ARE THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR AND LOW NORTH CAROLINA WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE NORTH CAROLINA WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE IN THIS, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE IN THIS, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO ABOUT THAT?

IN THIS, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO ABOUT THAT?

>> THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION RIGHT SHOULD DO ABOUT THAT?

>> THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION RIGHT THERE.

>> THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION RIGHT THERE.

I DON'T KNOW.

THERE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BECOME AN I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BECOME AN ISSUE GOING TO START -- I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BECOME AN ISSUE GOING TO START -- ESPECIALLY AS WE GET IN TO THIS ISSUE GOING TO START -- ESPECIALLY AS WE GET IN TO THIS NEW GENERATION OF CHILDREN WHO ESPECIALLY AS WE GET IN TO THIS NEW GENERATION OF CHILDREN WHO ARE ESSENTIALLY THE PRODUCT OF NEW GENERATION OF CHILDREN WHO ARE ESSENTIALLY THE PRODUCT OF SURROGACY.

ARE ESSENTIALLY THE PRODUCT OF SURROGACY.

BECOMES MORE POPULAR OPTION JUST SURROGACY.

BECOMES MORE POPULAR OPTION JUST LIKE WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WE BECOMES MORE POPULAR OPTION JUST LIKE WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE ISSUES WITH REGARDING LIKE WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE ISSUES WITH REGARDING WEALTH AND ACCESS AND ASSETS, HAVE ISSUES WITH REGARDING WEALTH AND ACCESS AND ASSETS, WE'RE GOING TO BE EVERYTHING THE WEALTH AND ACCESS AND ASSETS, WE'RE GOING TO BE EVERYTHING THE SAME DISCUSSION 20 YEARS FROM WE'RE GOING TO BE EVERYTHING THE SAME DISCUSSION 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING IT SAME DISCUSSION 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING IT SURROUNDING THE ISSUE OF NOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING IT SURROUNDING THE ISSUE OF SURROGACY PEOPLE HAVE ABILITY SURROUNDING THE ISSUE OF SURROGACY PEOPLE HAVE ABILITY AND WEALTH TO GO TO PLACES LIKE SURROGACY PEOPLE HAVE ABILITY AND WEALTH TO GO TO PLACES LIKE GUATEMALA PICK OUT A SURROGATE AND WEALTH TO GO TO PLACES LIKE GUATEMALA PICK OUT A SURROGATE MOTHER TO HAVE A CHILD WITH GUATEMALA PICK OUT A SURROGATE MOTHER TO HAVE A CHILD WITH THEM.

MOTHER TO HAVE A CHILD WITH THEM.

THERE'S THAT ONE QUESTION.

THEM.

THERE'S THAT ONE QUESTION.

OTHER QUESTION, TOO, THE MOTHER THERE'S THAT ONE QUESTION.

OTHER QUESTION, TOO, THE MOTHER IS NOT THERE SO -- I GUESS OTHER QUESTION, TOO, THE MOTHER IS NOT THERE SO -- I GUESS SURROGACY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT IS NOT THERE SO -- I GUESS SURROGACY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FROM ADOPTION OR FOSTER CARE SET SURROGACY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT FROM ADOPTION OR FOSTER CARE SET UP, RIGHT?

FROM ADOPTION OR FOSTER CARE SET UP, RIGHT?

>> I'M GOING TO JUMP IN THERE UP, RIGHT?

>> I'M GOING TO JUMP IN THERE ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN >> I'M GOING TO JUMP IN THERE ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS IS FACILITATING ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS IS FACILITATING BABY CLASSES FOR GAY MEN THAT DOING FOR YEARS IS FACILITATING BABY CLASSES FOR GAY MEN THAT GOES THROUGH THE SURROGACY BABY CLASSES FOR GAY MEN THAT GOES THROUGH THE SURROGACY PROCESS, THE ADOPTION PROCESS, I GOES THROUGH THE SURROGACY PROCESS, THE ADOPTION PROCESS, I CAN TELL YOU THE REASONS -- WAY PROCESS, THE ADOPTION PROCESS, I CAN TELL YOU THE REASONS -- WAY THAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO CREATE CAN TELL YOU THE REASONS -- WAY THAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO CREATE THEIR FAMILY ARE AS PERSONAL AS THAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO CREATE THEIR FAMILY ARE AS PERSONAL AS THE REASON THAT THEY WANT TO THEIR FAMILY ARE AS PERSONAL AS THE REASON THAT THEY WANT TO FAMILIES.

THE REASON THAT THEY WANT TO FAMILIES.

FOR PEOPLE WHO FEEL THE NEED FAMILIES.

FOR PEOPLE WHO FEEL THE NEED TO -- OR DESIRE TO HAVE A FOR PEOPLE WHO FEEL THE NEED TO -- OR DESIRE TO HAVE A BIOLOGICAL CONNECTION, THIS IS TO -- OR DESIRE TO HAVE A BIOLOGICAL CONNECTION, THIS IS AN OPTION AND IT'S AN EXPENSIVE BIOLOGICAL CONNECTION, THIS IS AN OPTION AND IT'S AN EXPENSIVE OPTION AND IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO AN OPTION AND IT'S AN EXPENSIVE OPTION AND IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE, SOME PEOPLE WILL DO OPTION AND IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE, SOME PEOPLE WILL DO SURROGACY HERE IN THE U.S., SOME EVERYONE, SOME PEOPLE WILL DO SURROGACY HERE IN THE U.S., SOME PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT IN SURROGACY HERE IN THE U.S., SOME PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT IN ANOTHER COUNTRY ALSO PEOPLE LIKE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT IN ANOTHER COUNTRY ALSO PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF AND MY PARTNER WHO DIDN'T ANOTHER COUNTRY ALSO PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF AND MY PARTNER WHO DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE NEEDED A BIOLOGICAL MYSELF AND MY PARTNER WHO DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE NEEDED A BIOLOGICAL CONNECTION.

FEEL LIKE WE NEEDED A BIOLOGICAL CONNECTION.

>> YOU ADOPTED.

CONNECTION.

>> YOU ADOPTED.

>> OH, YEAH.

>> YOU ADOPTED.

>> OH, YEAH.

>> WE ADOPTED DOMESTICALLY.

>> OH, YEAH.

>> WE ADOPTED DOMESTICALLY.

>> I THINK IT'S GREAT, I THINK >> WE ADOPTED DOMESTICALLY.

>> I THINK IT'S GREAT, I THINK THAT THERE ARE MANY COSTS >> I THINK IT'S GREAT, I THINK THAT THERE ARE MANY COSTS INVOLVED, MIGHT SHOCK SOME THAT THERE ARE MANY COSTS INVOLVED, MIGHT SHOCK SOME PEOPLE BUT, NO, I DON'T THINK INVOLVED, MIGHT SHOCK SOME PEOPLE BUT, NO, I DON'T THINK GOVERNMENT SHOULD PAY FOR IT AND PEOPLE BUT, NO, I DON'T THINK GOVERNMENT SHOULD PAY FOR IT AND IF YOU CAN PAY FOR IT AND DO GOVERNMENT SHOULD PAY FOR IT AND IF YOU CAN PAY FOR IT AND DO THAT, THAT'S GREAT YOU ARE GOING IF YOU CAN PAY FOR IT AND DO THAT, THAT'S GREAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOVING FAMILY BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S GREAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOVING FAMILY BECAUSE YOU REALLY WANT THAT FAMILY IF TO HAVE A LOVING FAMILY BECAUSE YOU REALLY WANT THAT FAMILY IF NOT YOU CAN ADOPT.

YOU REALLY WANT THAT FAMILY IF NOT YOU CAN ADOPT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

NOT YOU CAN ADOPT.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> I JUST LIKE TO SAY TECHNOLOGY >> ALL RIGHT.

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