GWEN: I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY'S WATCHING ME.
IT'S NOT JUST A BAD SONG, IT'S SOMEBODY'S WATCHING ME.
IT'S NOT JUST A BAD SONG, IT'S MIND.
ON EVERYBODY'S IT'S NOT JUST A BAD SONG, IT'S MIND.
ON EVERYBODY'S WE EXPLORE, TONIGHT, ON MIND.
ON EVERYBODY'S WE EXPLORE, TONIGHT, ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
WE EXPLORE, TONIGHT, ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
>> WE WANT TO KEEP AMERICA SAFE "WASHINGTON WEEK."
>> WE WANT TO KEEP AMERICA SAFE TO COMPROMISEANT >> WE WANT TO KEEP AMERICA SAFE TO COMPROMISEANT OUR BASIC FREEDOMS, OUR PRIVACY TO COMPROMISEANT OUR BASIC FREEDOMS, OUR PRIVACY INDIVIDUALS.
OUR BASIC FREEDOMS, OUR PRIVACY INDIVIDUALS.
>> THE PATRIOT ACT COMES HOME TO INDIVIDUALS.
>> THE PATRIOT ACT COMES HOME TO ROOST WITH NEWS THAT THE >> THE PATRIOT ACT COMES HOME TO ROOST WITH NEWS THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN COLLECTING ROOST WITH NEWS THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN COLLECTING AND INTERNET RECORDS OF GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN COLLECTING AND INTERNET RECORDS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS.
AND INTERNET RECORDS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS.
>> IT IS LAWFUL.
MILLIONS OF AMERICANS.
>> IT IS LAWFUL.
IT HAS BEEN BRIEFED TO CONGRESS.
>> IT IS LAWFUL.
IT HAS BEEN BRIEFED TO CONGRESS.
WHAT'SN'T MEAN WE KNOW IT HAS BEEN BRIEFED TO CONGRESS.
WHAT'SN'T MEAN WE KNOW GOING ON.
WHAT'SN'T MEAN WE KNOW GOING ON.
>> PRESIDENT BUSH STARTED IT, GOING ON.
>> PRESIDENT BUSH STARTED IT, PRESIDENT OBAMA'S CONTINUING IT.
>> PRESIDENT BUSH STARTED IT, PRESIDENT OBAMA'S CONTINUING IT.
FROM MY POINT OF PRESIDENT OBAMA'S CONTINUING IT.
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.
GWEN: STRIKING A BALANCE BETWEEN VIEW.
GWEN: STRIKING A BALANCE BETWEEN SECURITY AND PRIVACY AND WHO GWEN: STRIKING A BALANCE BETWEEN SECURITY AND PRIVACY AND WHO GETS TO PROTECT WOMEN IN THE SECURITY AND PRIVACY AND WHO GETS TO PROTECT WOMEN IN THE MILITARY FROM SEXUAL ASSAULT?
GETS TO PROTECT WOMEN IN THE MILITARY FROM SEXUAL ASSAULT?
NOTVERY E COMMANDER CAN MILITARY FROM SEXUAL ASSAULT?
NOTVERY E COMMANDER CAN DISTINGUISH BETWEEN A SLAP ON NOTVERY E COMMANDER CAN DISTINGUISH BETWEEN A SLAP ON THE ASS AND A RAPE.
DISTINGUISH BETWEEN A SLAP ON THE ASS AND A RAPE.
REMOVING COMMANDERS, MAKING THE ASS AND A RAPE.
REMOVING COMMANDERS, MAKING COMMANDERS LESS RESPONSIBLE AND REMOVING COMMANDERS, MAKING COMMANDERS LESS RESPONSIBLE AND LESS ACCOUNTABLE WILL NOT WORK.
COMMANDERS LESS RESPONSIBLE AND LESS ACCOUNTABLE WILL NOT WORK.
WILL UNDERMINE THE READINESS LESS ACCOUNTABLE WILL NOT WORK.
WILL UNDERMINE THE READINESS OF THE FORCE.
WILL UNDERMINE THE READINESS OF THE FORCE.
GWEN: AND MUSICAL CHAIRS AT THE OF THE FORCE.
GWEN: AND MUSICAL CHAIRS AT THE THE U.N. ASAND GWEN: AND MUSICAL CHAIRS AT THE THE U.N. ASAND SUSAN RICE MOVES IN.
THE U.N. ASAND SUSAN RICE MOVES IN.
GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SUSAN RICE MOVES IN.
GRATEFUL FOR YOUR ENDURING CONFIDENCE IN ME.
GRATEFUL FOR YOUR ENDURING CONFIDENCE IN ME.
MOVES SAMANTHA POWER ENDURING CONFIDENCE IN ME.
MOVES SAMANTHA POWER OVER.
MOVES SAMANTHA POWER OVER.
GWEN: I HAVE SEEN U.N. AIDE OVER.
GWEN: I HAVE SEEN U.N. AIDE ENDURING SHELL FIRE TO GWEN: I HAVE SEEN U.N. AIDE ENDURING SHELL FIRE TO DELIVER FOOD TO THE PEOPLE OF ENDURING SHELL FIRE TO DELIVER FOOD TO THE PEOPLE OF SUDAN YET I'VE ALSO SEEN THEM DELIVER FOOD TO THE PEOPLE OF SUDAN YET I'VE ALSO SEEN THEM PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF SUDAN YET I'VE ALSO SEEN THEM PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF BOSNIA.
PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF BOSNIA.
GWEN: WHAT DOES THE SWITCH MEAN BOSNIA.
GWEN: WHAT DOES THE SWITCH MEAN POLICY?
FOREIGN GWEN: WHAT DOES THE SWITCH MEAN POLICY?
FOREIGN COVERING THE WEEK, PETE WILLIAMS POLICY?
FOREIGN COVERING THE WEEK, PETE WILLIAMS NEWS, MARTHA RADDATZ OF COVERING THE WEEK, PETE WILLIAMS NEWS, MARTHA RADDATZ OF ABC NEWS, AND DAVID SANGER OF NEWS, MARTHA RADDATZ OF ABC NEWS, AND DAVID SANGER OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES."
ABC NEWS, AND DAVID SANGER OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES."
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND "THE NEW YORK TIMES."
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND COVERING HISTORY AS IT >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS, LIVE, FROM OUR NATION'S COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS, LIVE, FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON HAPPENS, LIVE, FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON IFILL.ITH GWEN CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON IFILL.ITH GWEN STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU.
THANK YOU.
ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM THANK YOU.
ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM MODERATOR GWEN ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
IT APPEARS THE GOVERNMENT IS GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
IT APPEARS THE GOVERNMENT IS NET OVER PRIVATE IT APPEARS THE GOVERNMENT IS NET OVER PRIVATE COMMUNICATIONS IN THE NAME OF NET OVER PRIVATE COMMUNICATIONS IN THE NAME OF NATIONAL SECURITY.
COMMUNICATIONS IN THE NAME OF NATIONAL SECURITY.
PRESIDENT'S RESPONSE TODAY NATIONAL SECURITY.
PRESIDENT'S RESPONSE TODAY WAS BASICALLY, MOVE ALONG, PRESIDENT'S RESPONSE TODAY WAS BASICALLY, MOVE ALONG, NOTHING TO SEE HERE.
WAS BASICALLY, MOVE ALONG, NOTHING TO SEE HERE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE 100% SECURITY NOTHING TO SEE HERE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE 100% SECURITY AND ALSO THEN HAVE 100% PRIVACY, YOU CAN'T HAVE 100% SECURITY AND ALSO THEN HAVE 100% PRIVACY, INCONVENIENCE.
AND ALSO THEN HAVE 100% PRIVACY, INCONVENIENCE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME INCONVENIENCE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME SOCIETY.S A WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME SOCIETY.S A GWEN: SENIOR MEMBERS OF SOCIETY.S A GWEN: SENIOR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, IT APPEARS, KNEW ABOUT GWEN: SENIOR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, IT APPEARS, KNEW ABOUT AS PREVIOUSLY SECRET PROGRAM CONGRESS, IT APPEARS, KNEW ABOUT AS PREVIOUSLY SECRET PROGRAM DID THE EXECUTIVE AND THE AS PREVIOUSLY SECRET PROGRAM DID THE EXECUTIVE AND THE JUDICIAL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT DID THE EXECUTIVE AND THE JUDICIAL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT WE,WE SURE DIDN'T, DID JUDICIAL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT WE,WE SURE DIDN'T, DID PETE?
WE,WE SURE DIDN'T, DID PETE?
>> NO, WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T AND PETE?
>> NO, WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T AND EVEN SOME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS >> NO, WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T AND EVEN SOME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ON THIS SAID THEY DIDN'T EVEN SOME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ON THIS SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW DETAILS EITHER SO WE'RE ON THIS SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW DETAILS EITHER SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO PROGRAMS, ONE KNOW DETAILS EITHER SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO PROGRAMS, ONE WHICH THE GOVERNMENT GETS TALKING ABOUT TWO PROGRAMS, ONE WHICH THE GOVERNMENT GETS VIRTUALLY ALL THE RECORDS, THE WHICH THE GOVERNMENT GETS VIRTUALLY ALL THE RECORDS, THE PHONE INIALED BY EVERY VIRTUALLY ALL THE RECORDS, THE PHONE INIALED BY EVERY THE U.S.
PHONE INIALED BY EVERY THE U.S. ENORMOUSMPED INTO AN THE U.S. ENORMOUSMPED INTO AN DATABASE MAINTAINED BY THE ENORMOUSMPED INTO AN DATABASE MAINTAINED BY THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY.
DATABASE MAINTAINED BY THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY.
THE GOVERNMENT SAYS THEY DON'T NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY.
THE GOVERNMENT SAYS THEY DON'T ANYTHING WITH IT UNTIL THEY THE GOVERNMENT SAYS THEY DON'T ANYTHING WITH IT UNTIL THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER OR ANYTHING WITH IT UNTIL THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER OR PATTERN OF CALLS ASSOCIATED WITH HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER OR PATTERN OF CALLS ASSOCIATED WITH OVERSEAS TERRORIST PATTERN OF CALLS ASSOCIATED WITH OVERSEAS TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
OVERSEAS TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
ONLY THEN, THEY SAY, CAN THEY ORGANIZATION.
ONLY THEN, THEY SAY, CAN THEY SEARCH INTO THE DATABASE TO SEE ONLY THEN, THEY SAY, CAN THEY SEARCH INTO THE DATABASE TO SEE FIND A MATCH FOR SEARCH INTO THE DATABASE TO SEE FIND A MATCH FOR THAT NUMBER, IS THAT A TERRORIST FIND A MATCH FOR THAT NUMBER, IS THAT A TERRORIST OVERSEAS CALLING SOMEONE HERE, THAT NUMBER, IS THAT A TERRORIST OVERSEAS CALLING SOMEONE HERE, BUT THEY DON'T JUST SIFT THROUGH OVERSEAS CALLING SOMEONE HERE, BUT THEY DON'T JUST SIFT THROUGH IT.
BUT THEY DON'T JUST SIFT THROUGH IT.
THEY SAY THERE'S NO DATA MINING.
IT.
THEY SAY THERE'S NO DATA MINING.
THEOTHER ONE INVOLVES THEY SAY THERE'S NO DATA MINING.
THEOTHER ONE INVOLVES INTERNET AND THEY SAY THIS, THEOTHER ONE INVOLVES INTERNET AND THEY SAY THIS, AGAIN, IS AIMED AT OVERSEAS INTERNET AND THEY SAY THIS, AGAIN, IS AIMED AT OVERSEAS SUSPECTEDIONS BY AGAIN, IS AIMED AT OVERSEAS SUSPECTEDIONS BY TERRORISTS WHEN THEY FIND, SAY, SUSPECTEDIONS BY TERRORISTS WHEN THEY FIND, SAY, AN EMAIL OR A CHATROOM OR A TERRORISTS WHEN THEY FIND, SAY, AN EMAIL OR A CHATROOM OR A OR A PHOTO OR VIDEO THEY AN EMAIL OR A CHATROOM OR A OR A PHOTO OR VIDEO THEY WANT TO GET, THEY GO TO THE OR A PHOTO OR VIDEO THEY WANT TO GET, THEY GO TO THE WE WANTOVIDER AND SAY WANT TO GET, THEY GO TO THE WE WANTOVIDER AND SAY TO TAP IN AND WATCH THAT AND WE WANTOVIDER AND SAY TO TAP IN AND WATCH THAT AND LOOK AT THE RECORDS THAT YOU TO TAP IN AND WATCH THAT AND LOOK AT THE RECORDS THAT YOU SERVERS, SOYOUR LOOK AT THE RECORDS THAT YOU SERVERS, SOYOUR THOSE ARE THE SAFEGUARDS THAT SERVERS, SOYOUR THOSE ARE THE SAFEGUARDS THAT GOVERNMENT SAYS IS IN PLACE.
THOSE ARE THE SAFEGUARDS THAT GOVERNMENT SAYS IS IN PLACE.
THE PRESIDENT SAYS IT MADE US GOVERNMENT SAYS IS IN PLACE.
THE PRESIDENT SAYS IT MADE US SAFER.
THE PRESIDENT SAYS IT MADE US SAFER.
OF CONGRESS SAY IT HAS SAFER.
OF CONGRESS SAY IT HAS PREVENTED ATTACKS BUT TWO OF THE OF CONGRESS SAY IT HAS PREVENTED ATTACKS BUT TWO OF THE SENATORS WHO HAVE STUDIED THIS PREVENTED ATTACKS BUT TWO OF THE SENATORS WHO HAVE STUDIED THIS CLOSELY SAY THEY DON'T SENATORS WHO HAVE STUDIED THIS CLOSELY SAY THEY DON'T THINK THAT THE BULK PHONE RECORD CLOSELY SAY THEY DON'T THINK THAT THE BULK PHONE RECORD DONE THAT MUCH THAT THINK THAT THE BULK PHONE RECORD DONE THAT MUCH THAT YOU COULDN'T DO BY OTHER METHODS DONE THAT MUCH THAT YOU COULDN'T DO BY OTHER METHODS INFORMATION.E SAME YOU COULDN'T DO BY OTHER METHODS INFORMATION.E SAME GWEN: IT SEEMS TO ME, IS THIS A INFORMATION.E SAME GWEN: IT SEEMS TO ME, IS THIS A 9/11 THING OR HAVE WE HAD GWEN: IT SEEMS TO ME, IS THIS A 9/11 THING OR HAVE WE HAD LONG TIME?
FOR A 9/11 THING OR HAVE WE HAD LONG TIME?
FOR A >> WE HAVE HAD THE DEBATE BUT LONG TIME?
FOR A >> WE HAVE HAD THE DEBATE BUT CAN DO THIST THEY >> WE HAVE HAD THE DEBATE BUT CAN DO THIST THEY NOW IS A POST 9/11 THING AND CAN DO THIST THEY NOW IS A POST 9/11 THING AND PART OF IT IS A DIFFERENT NOW IS A POST 9/11 THING AND PART OF IT IS A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE AND PART OF IT IS THE PART OF IT IS A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE AND PART OF IT IS THE EXPLOSION OF TECHNOLOGY AND PART ATTITUDE AND PART OF IT IS THE EXPLOSION OF TECHNOLOGY AND PART PASSAGE OF THE U.S. EXPLOSION OF TECHNOLOGY AND PART PASSAGE OF THE U.S. PATRIOT ACT WHICH HAS A SECTION PASSAGE OF THE U.S. PATRIOT ACT WHICH HAS A SECTION THAT DEFINES BUSINESS RECORDS PATRIOT ACT WHICH HAS A SECTION THAT DEFINES BUSINESS RECORDS THAT'S WHAT YOUR PHONE CALL THAT DEFINES BUSINESS RECORDS THAT'S WHAT YOUR PHONE CALL LOGS ARE, THE NUMBERS YOU CALL, THAT'S WHAT YOUR PHONE CALL LOGS ARE, THE NUMBERS YOU CALL, RECORD.
BUSINESS LOGS ARE, THE NUMBERS YOU CALL, RECORD.
BUSINESS GWEN: OF THE PHONE COMPANY.
RECORD.
BUSINESS GWEN: OF THE PHONE COMPANY.
>> THAT'S RIGHT AND COMBINED GWEN: OF THE PHONE COMPANY.
>> THAT'S RIGHT AND COMBINED WITH AN EARLIER SUPREME COURT >> THAT'S RIGHT AND COMBINED WITH AN EARLIER SUPREME COURT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE WITH AN EARLIER SUPREME COURT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE PRIVACY INTERESTS IN RECORDS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE PRIVACY INTERESTS IN RECORDS MAINTAINED BY A THIRD PARTY LIKE PRIVACY INTERESTS IN RECORDS MAINTAINED BY A THIRD PARTY LIKE IT GIVES THEPANY, MAINTAINED BY A THIRD PARTY LIKE IT GIVES THEPANY, GOVERNMENT FREER ACCESS TO THIS IT GIVES THEPANY, GOVERNMENT FREER ACCESS TO THIS INFORMATION.
GOVERNMENT FREER ACCESS TO THIS INFORMATION.
I HEARD SENATORS WIDEN AND INFORMATION.
I HEARD SENATORS WIDEN AND UDALL CORRECTLY, WHAT CONCERNED I HEARD SENATORS WIDEN AND UDALL CORRECTLY, WHAT CONCERNED THE PHONEOST ABOUT UDALL CORRECTLY, WHAT CONCERNED THE PHONEOST ABOUT TECHNOLOGY WAS THE MOVEMENT OF THE PHONEOST ABOUT TECHNOLOGY WAS THE MOVEMENT OF THIS DATA FROM VERIZON, WHICH IS TECHNOLOGY WAS THE MOVEMENT OF THIS DATA FROM VERIZON, WHICH IS JUDGMENT FROM THE THIS DATA FROM VERIZON, WHICH IS JUDGMENT FROM THE FOREIGN SURVEILLANCE -- FOREIGN JUDGMENT FROM THE FOREIGN SURVEILLANCE -- FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE COURT ORDERED -- FOREIGN SURVEILLANCE -- FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE COURT ORDERED -- OVER TO THE GOVERNMENT.
INTELLIGENCE COURT ORDERED -- OVER TO THE GOVERNMENT.
SO WHY DOES THE GOVERNMENT NEED OVER TO THE GOVERNMENT.
SO WHY DOES THE GOVERNMENT NEED TO HAVE THIS IN THEIR OWN HANDS?
SO WHY DOES THE GOVERNMENT NEED TO HAVE THIS IN THEIR OWN HANDS?
THISOULDN'T THEY SIMPLY DO TO HAVE THIS IN THEIR OWN HANDS?
THISOULDN'T THEY SIMPLY DO WHILE VERIZON HAD IT IN THEIR THISOULDN'T THEY SIMPLY DO WHILE VERIZON HAD IT IN THEIR DATABASE?
WHILE VERIZON HAD IT IN THEIR DATABASE?
>> THEY MAKE TWO ARGUMENTS.
DATABASE?
>> THEY MAKE TWO ARGUMENTS.
IS TECHNICAL WHEN THEY SAY >> THEY MAKE TWO ARGUMENTS.
IS TECHNICAL WHEN THEY SAY THE PHONE COMPANIES ONLY KEEP IS TECHNICAL WHEN THEY SAY THE PHONE COMPANIES ONLY KEEP 90 DAYS.FOR 30 TO THE PHONE COMPANIES ONLY KEEP 90 DAYS.FOR 30 TO THERE'S NO BUSINESS REASON FOR 90 DAYS.FOR 30 TO THERE'S NO BUSINESS REASON FOR THE PHONE COMPANY TO KEEP THERE'S NO BUSINESS REASON FOR THE PHONE COMPANY TO KEEP PHONE RECORDS AND THE PHONE COMPANY TO KEEP PHONE RECORDS AND THEY THROW IT AWAY.
PHONE RECORDS AND THEY THROW IT AWAY.
SECONDLY, IT PUTS IT ALL IN ONE THEY THROW IT AWAY.
SECONDLY, IT PUTS IT ALL IN ONE PLACE.
SECONDLY, IT PUTS IT ALL IN ONE PLACE.
TO FINDE QUICKLY TRYING PLACE.
TO FINDE QUICKLY TRYING OUT WHAT'S THIS NUMBER CONNECTED TO FINDE QUICKLY TRYING OUT WHAT'S THIS NUMBER CONNECTED WITH AND YOU GO TO AT&T, THEN OUT WHAT'S THIS NUMBER CONNECTED WITH AND YOU GO TO AT&T, THEN VERIZON, THEN TO WITH AND YOU GO TO AT&T, THEN VERIZON, THEN TO TO SPRINT, HAVING IT ALL IN ONE VERIZON, THEN TO TO SPRINT, HAVING IT ALL IN ONE PLACE MAKES IT EASIER AS ONE TO SPRINT, HAVING IT ALL IN ONE PLACE MAKES IT EASIER AS ONE FAMILIAR WITH THIS SAID PLACE MAKES IT EASIER AS ONE FAMILIAR WITH THIS SAID TODAY, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND FAMILIAR WITH THIS SAID TODAY, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND A NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK, YOU NEED TODAY, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND A NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK, YOU NEED HAYSTACK AND THAT'S WHAT THIS A NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK, YOU NEED HAYSTACK AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
HAYSTACK AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
THE OTHER THING IS, IF THE IS.
THE OTHER THING IS, IF THE COMPANIES KEEP IT ANY LONGER, THE OTHER THING IS, IF THE COMPANIES KEEP IT ANY LONGER, THEY WOULD BE KEEPING IT FOR THE COMPANIES KEEP IT ANY LONGER, THEY WOULD BE KEEPING IT FOR THE GOVERNMENT, IT WOULDN'T BE THEY WOULD BE KEEPING IT FOR THE GOVERNMENT, IT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A BUSINESS RECORD GOVERNMENT, IT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A BUSINESS RECORD ANYMORE AND YOU COULDN'T GET IT CONSIDERED A BUSINESS RECORD ANYMORE AND YOU COULDN'T GET IT THE BUSINESS PROVISION OF ANYMORE AND YOU COULDN'T GET IT THE BUSINESS PROVISION OF THE PATRIOT ACT.
THE BUSINESS PROVISION OF THE PATRIOT ACT.
>> ONE OF THE EXTRAORDINARY THE PATRIOT ACT.
>> ONE OF THE EXTRAORDINARY LEAK, THEYHE >> ONE OF THE EXTRAORDINARY LEAK, THEYHE ACTUALLY HAVE THE DOCUMENT, THE LEAK, THEYHE ACTUALLY HAVE THE DOCUMENT, THE DOCUMENT.AD THAT ACTUALLY HAVE THE DOCUMENT, THE DOCUMENT.AD THAT THERE MUST BE AN INVESTIGATION DOCUMENT.AD THAT THERE MUST BE AN INVESTIGATION INTO TRYING TO FIND THE LEAKER THERE MUST BE AN INVESTIGATION INTO TRYING TO FIND THE LEAKER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
INTO TRYING TO FIND THE LEAKER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
OF THAT AND ISURE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
OF THAT AND ISURE MUST SAY I WAS SHOCKED BY THE OF THAT AND ISURE MUST SAY I WAS SHOCKED BY THE LEVEL OF CLASSIFICATION OF THESE MUST SAY I WAS SHOCKED BY THE LEVEL OF CLASSIFICATION OF THESE DOCUMENTS IN THE NEWSPAPER.
LEVEL OF CLASSIFICATION OF THESE DOCUMENTS IN THE NEWSPAPER.
THEY WERE LABELED "TOP SECRET."
DOCUMENTS IN THE NEWSPAPER.
THEY WERE LABELED "TOP SECRET."
THERE'S A CODE WORD ON THERE.
THEY WERE LABELED "TOP SECRET."
THERE'S A CODE WORD ON THERE.
THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
THERE'S A CODE WORD ON THERE.
THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
>> YOU CAN'T SHARE IT WITH A THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
>> YOU CAN'T SHARE IT WITH A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT.
>> YOU CAN'T SHARE IT WITH A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT.
HIGHER THANMUCH FOREIGN GOVERNMENT.
HIGHER THANMUCH WIKI LEAKS, FOR EXAMPLE.
HIGHER THANMUCH WIKI LEAKS, FOR EXAMPLE.
THESE ARE VERY HIGH LEVEL WIKI LEAKS, FOR EXAMPLE.
THESE ARE VERY HIGH LEVEL CLASSIFICATION OF DOCUMENTS THESE ARE VERY HIGH LEVEL CLASSIFICATION OF DOCUMENTS THE WEBSITE AND CLASSIFICATION OF DOCUMENTS THE WEBSITE AND NEWSPAPER AND THE GOVERNMENT IS THE WEBSITE AND NEWSPAPER AND THE GOVERNMENT IS APOPLECTIC ABOUT THIS.
NEWSPAPER AND THE GOVERNMENT IS APOPLECTIC ABOUT THIS.
GWEN:THE ACLU HAVE BEEN SAYING APOPLECTIC ABOUT THIS.
GWEN:THE ACLU HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS IS A LINE THAT'S BEEN GWEN:THE ACLU HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS IS A LINE THAT'S BEEN CROSSED AND A LOT OF AMERICANS THIS IS A LINE THAT'S BEEN CROSSED AND A LOT OF AMERICANS ARE SAYING, AS LONG AS I'M NOT A CROSSED AND A LOT OF AMERICANS ARE SAYING, AS LONG AS I'M NOT A TERRORIST, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
ARE SAYING, AS LONG AS I'M NOT A TERRORIST, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
IT'S FASCINATING, THE DUALITY TERRORIST, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
IT'S FASCINATING, THE DUALITY IN REACTION.
IT'S FASCINATING, THE DUALITY IN REACTION.
YOU SEE IT IN CONGRESS AND THE IN REACTION.
YOU SEE IT IN CONGRESS AND THE PUBLIC, AS WELL.
YOU SEE IT IN CONGRESS AND THE PUBLIC, AS WELL.
BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION PUBLIC, AS WELL.
BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT GETTING ITS BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT GETTING ITS HANDS ON THE DATA IN THE FIRST ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT GETTING ITS HANDS ON THE DATA IN THE FIRST PLACE.
HANDS ON THE DATA IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I GUESS THERE'S BOTH A POLICY PLACE.
I GUESS THERE'S BOTH A POLICY AND A LEGAL QUESTION.
I GUESS THERE'S BOTH A POLICY AND A LEGAL QUESTION.
DO WE REALLY WANT THE AND A LEGAL QUESTION.
DO WE REALLY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO HAVE THIS MUCH DO WE REALLY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO HAVE THIS MUCH STUFF?
GOVERNMENT TO HAVE THIS MUCH STUFF?
THING TO DO?HT STUFF?
THING TO DO?HT AND SECONDLY, THE LEGAL THING, THING TO DO?HT AND SECONDLY, THE LEGAL THING, NORMALLY WHEN THE GOVERNMENT AND SECONDLY, THE LEGAL THING, NORMALLY WHEN THE GOVERNMENT WES FOR A RECORD, THEY SAY NORMALLY WHEN THE GOVERNMENT WES FOR A RECORD, THEY SAY HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE OR WES FOR A RECORD, THEY SAY HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE OR REASONABLE SUSPICION IT WOULD HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE OR REASONABLE SUSPICION IT WOULD HELP US IN A JUSTIFICATION.
REASONABLE SUSPICION IT WOULD HELP US IN A JUSTIFICATION.
INVESTIGATION.
HELP US IN A JUSTIFICATION.
INVESTIGATION.
WHAT'S THE JUSTIFICATION FOR INVESTIGATION.
WHAT'S THE JUSTIFICATION FOR GIVING US ALL THE PHONE NUMBERS WHAT'S THE JUSTIFICATION FOR GIVING US ALL THE PHONE NUMBERS EVERYONE HAS EVER DIALED.
GIVING US ALL THE PHONE NUMBERS EVERYONE HAS EVER DIALED.
THAT'S WHERE THE EVERYONE HAS EVER DIALED.
THAT'S WHERE THE POLITICS KICKS IN, WHO DO WE THAT'S WHERE THE POLITICS KICKS IN, WHO DO WE TRUST?
POLITICS KICKS IN, WHO DO WE TRUST?
ANOTHER SHOWDOWN ON CAPITOL TRUST?
ANOTHER SHOWDOWN ON CAPITOL ONE FIGHT OF THE TABLE, ANOTHER SHOWDOWN ON CAPITOL ONE FIGHT OF THE TABLE, A BREATHTAKING ARRAY OF ONE FIGHT OF THE TABLE, A BREATHTAKING ARRAY OF DECORATED MILITARY LEADERS, A BREATHTAKING ARRAY OF DECORATED MILITARY LEADERS, OF THEM MALE.
DECORATED MILITARY LEADERS, OF THEM MALE.
ON THE OTHER, MEMBERS OF THE OF THEM MALE.
ON THE OTHER, MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE, MANY OF ON THE OTHER, MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE, MANY OF THEM WOMEN.
UNITED STATES SENATE, MANY OF THEM WOMEN.
TOPIC, SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE THEM WOMEN.
TOPIC, SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE MILITARY.
TOPIC, SEXUAL ASSAULT IN THE MILITARY.
>> THIS ISN'T ABOUT SEX.
MILITARY.
>> THIS ISN'T ABOUT SEX.
THIS IS ABOUT ASSAULTIVE >> THIS ISN'T ABOUT SEX.
THIS IS ABOUT ASSAULTIVE DOMINATION AND VIOLENCE AND AS THIS IS ABOUT ASSAULTIVE DOMINATION AND VIOLENCE AND AS LONG AS THOSE TWO GET MUSHED DOMINATION AND VIOLENCE AND AS LONG AS THOSE TWO GET MUSHED YOU-ALL ARE NOT GOING LONG AS THOSE TWO GET MUSHED YOU-ALL ARE NOT GOING TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS YOU NEED YOU-ALL ARE NOT GOING TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS YOU NEED TO BE GETTING AFTER THE MOST TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS YOU NEED TO BE GETTING AFTER THE MOST PART OF THIS WHICH IS TO BE GETTING AFTER THE MOST PART OF THIS WHICH IS THE PREDATORS IN YOUR RANKS THAT PART OF THIS WHICH IS THE PREDATORS IN YOUR RANKS THAT OF SLYIULNG THE GREAT NAME THE PREDATORS IN YOUR RANKS THAT OF SLYIULNG THE GREAT NAME OUR AMERICAN MILITARY.
OF SLYIULNG THE GREAT NAME OUR AMERICAN MILITARY.
MY DISGUST OVERSTATE OUR AMERICAN MILITARY.
MY DISGUST OVERSTATE AND DISAPPOINTMENT OVER THE MY DISGUST OVERSTATE AND DISAPPOINTMENT OVER THE CONTINUED REPORTS OF SEXUAL AND DISAPPOINTMENT OVER THE CONTINUED REPORTS OF SEXUAL MILITARY.
IN OUR CONTINUED REPORTS OF SEXUAL MILITARY.
IN OUR >> OF COURSE, COMMANDERS AND MILITARY.
IN OUR >> OF COURSE, COMMANDERS AND LEADERS OF EVERY RANK MUST EARN >> OF COURSE, COMMANDERS AND LEADERS OF EVERY RANK MUST EARN AND THEREFORE TONITS.
LEADERS OF EVERY RANK MUST EARN AND THEREFORE TONITS.
MOST DO.
AND THEREFORE TONITS.
MOST DO.
ALLOW UNIT COHESION MOST DO.
ALLOW UNIT COHESION TO MASK AN UNDERCURRENT OF ALLOW UNIT COHESION TO MASK AN UNDERCURRENT OF BETRAYAL.
TO MASK AN UNDERCURRENT OF BETRAYAL.
GWEN: JOHN MCCAIN ALSO WENT ON BETRAYAL.
GWEN: JOHN MCCAIN ALSO WENT ON TO SAY THAT IF A WOMAN GWEN: JOHN MCCAIN ALSO WENT ON TO SAY THAT IF A WOMAN APPROACHED HIM AND ASKED IF SHE TO SAY THAT IF A WOMAN APPROACHED HIM AND ASKED IF SHE SAFE AS A WOMAN IN THE APPROACHED HIM AND ASKED IF SHE SAFE AS A WOMAN IN THE MILITARY, HE SAID HE COULDN'T SAFE AS A WOMAN IN THE MILITARY, HE SAID HE COULDN'T GUARANTEE THAT.
MILITARY, HE SAID HE COULDN'T GUARANTEE THAT.
>> THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
GUARANTEE THAT.
>> THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
VERY BIG DEAL AND >> THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
VERY BIG DEAL AND ASIDE FROM THE OPTICS OF THAT VERY BIG DEAL AND ASIDE FROM THE OPTICS OF THAT HEARING WHICH WERE BASICALLY ASIDE FROM THE OPTICS OF THAT HEARING WHICH WERE BASICALLY HORRENDOUS BECAUSE YOU HAD ALL HEARING WHICH WERE BASICALLY HORRENDOUS BECAUSE YOU HAD ALL THE SENIOR LEADERS ARE MALES AND HORRENDOUS BECAUSE YOU HAD ALL THE SENIOR LEADERS ARE MALES AND THE YOU HAD SORT OF THE SENIOR LEADERS ARE MALES AND THE YOU HAD SORT OF BLEACHERS OF ALL THEIR MALE THE YOU HAD SORT OF BLEACHERS OF ALL THEIR MALE DESAI BEHIND THEM SO THE OPTICS BLEACHERS OF ALL THEIR MALE DESAI BEHIND THEM SO THE OPTICS WERE REALLY TERRIBLE BUT YOU DESAI BEHIND THEM SO THE OPTICS WERE REALLY TERRIBLE BUT YOU ESTIMATED0 REPORTED, WERE REALLY TERRIBLE BUT YOU ESTIMATED0 REPORTED, SEXUAL ASSAULTS OR UNWANTED ESTIMATED0 REPORTED, SEXUAL ASSAULTS OR UNWANTED CONTACT.
SEXUAL ASSAULTS OR UNWANTED CONTACT.
WHAT SENATOR MCCASKILL WAS CONTACT.
WHAT SENATOR MCCASKILL WAS ITTING AT THERE WAS WHAT WHAT SENATOR MCCASKILL WAS ITTING AT THERE WAS WHAT THOUGHT WAS ONE OF THE MOST ITTING AT THERE WAS WHAT THOUGHT WAS ONE OF THE MOST REMARKABLE POINTS IN ALL OF THOUGHT WAS ONE OF THE MOST REMARKABLE POINTS IN ALL OF THIS.
REMARKABLE POINTS IN ALL OF THIS.
THE MILITARY SEEMS TO HAVE THIS.
THE MILITARY SEEMS TO HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA HOW MANY THE MILITARY SEEMS TO HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA HOW MANY RAPES THERE WERE OR AS ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA HOW MANY RAPES THERE WERE OR AS GILLIBRAND SAID, A SLAP ON THE RAPES THERE WERE OR AS GILLIBRAND SAID, A SLAP ON THE REAR END.
GILLIBRAND SAID, A SLAP ON THE REAR END.
THEY REALLY HAVE TO GET TO THAT REAR END.
THEY REALLY HAVE TO GET TO THAT WHAT THE REAL FIGURES ARE THEY REALLY HAVE TO GET TO THAT WHAT THE REAL FIGURES ARE BECAUSE THAT 26,000 IS OUT WHAT THE REAL FIGURES ARE BECAUSE THAT 26,000 IS OUT THERE.
BECAUSE THAT 26,000 IS OUT THERE.
THAT 26,000 WILL STAY.
THERE.
THAT 26,000 WILL STAY.
WE ALL KEEP SAYING SEXUAL THAT 26,000 WILL STAY.
WE ALL KEEP SAYING SEXUAL ASSAULTS, SEXUAL ASSAULTS, THEY WE ALL KEEP SAYING SEXUAL ASSAULTS, SEXUAL ASSAULTS, THEY HOW TO BREAK THAT ASSAULTS, SEXUAL ASSAULTS, THEY HOW TO BREAK THAT DOWN IN THE 26,000 NUMBER.
HOW TO BREAK THAT DOWN IN THE 26,000 NUMBER.
GWEN: AND THEY HAVE TO GET TO DOWN IN THE 26,000 NUMBER.
GWEN: AND THEY HAVE TO GET TO EXACTLY WHEN IT'S REPORTED AND GWEN: AND THEY HAVE TO GET TO EXACTLY WHEN IT'S REPORTED AND WHO IT'S REPORTED TO AND WASN'T EXACTLY WHEN IT'S REPORTED AND WHO IT'S REPORTED TO AND WASN'T HEART OF THIS WHETHER THEY TRUST WHO IT'S REPORTED TO AND WASN'T HEART OF THIS WHETHER THEY TRUST THEIR COMMANDERS TO BE THE ONES HEART OF THIS WHETHER THEY TRUST THEIR COMMANDERS TO BE THE ONES TO PROSECUTE?
THEIR COMMANDERS TO BE THE ONES TO PROSECUTE?
>> RIGHT NOW, A WOMAN AND SOME TO PROSECUTE?
>> RIGHT NOW, A WOMAN AND SOME MALE VICTIMS, GOES >> RIGHT NOW, A WOMAN AND SOME MALE VICTIMS, GOES TO HER COMMANDER OR HIS MALE VICTIMS, GOES TO HER COMMANDER OR HIS COMMANDER.
TO HER COMMANDER OR HIS COMMANDER.
WHAT KIRSTEN JILL BRAND IS COMMANDER.
WHAT KIRSTEN JILL BRAND IS SAYING IS TAKING THAT OUT OF THE WHAT KIRSTEN JILL BRAND IS SAYING IS TAKING THAT OUT OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
SAYING IS TAKING THAT OUT OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
DON'T MAKE SOMEONE GO TO THEIR CHAIN OF COMMAND.
DON'T MAKE SOMEONE GO TO THEIR COMMANDER.
DON'T MAKE SOMEONE GO TO THEIR COMMANDER.
WOMAN SAID,OUNG COMMANDER.
WOMAN SAID,OUNG IT'S LIKE A BROTHER RAPES A WOMAN SAID,OUNG IT'S LIKE A BROTHER RAPES A SISTER AND YOU HAVE TO GO TO IT'S LIKE A BROTHER RAPES A SISTER AND YOU HAVE TO GO TO YOUR DAD TO DECIDE WHAT SHOULD SISTER AND YOU HAVE TO GO TO YOUR DAD TO DECIDE WHAT SHOULD BE DONE BUT THE MILITARY DOES YOUR DAD TO DECIDE WHAT SHOULD BE DONE BUT THE MILITARY DOES NOT WANT IT TAKEN OUT OF THE BE DONE BUT THE MILITARY DOES NOT WANT IT TAKEN OUT OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
NOT WANT IT TAKEN OUT OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
EVERY ONE OF THOSE SENIOR CHAIN OF COMMAND.
EVERY ONE OF THOSE SENIOR LEADERS SAID THEY THOUGHT IT WAS EVERY ONE OF THOSE SENIOR LEADERS SAID THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A BAD IDEA BECAUSE IT'S THE JOB LEADERS SAID THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A BAD IDEA BECAUSE IT'S THE JOB THE COMMANDER TO SEE AND KEEP A BAD IDEA BECAUSE IT'S THE JOB THE COMMANDER TO SEE AND KEEP GOOD ORDER AND DISCIPLINE IN THE COMMANDER TO SEE AND KEEP GOOD ORDER AND DISCIPLINE IN THAT UNIT.
GOOD ORDER AND DISCIPLINE IN THAT UNIT.
UPPER HAVE THEY LOST THE THAT UNIT.
UPPER HAVE THEY LOST THE HAND IN THAT ARGUMENT?
UPPER HAVE THEY LOST THE HAND IN THAT ARGUMENT?
>> BOY, THEY SURE DID THAT DAY, HAND IN THAT ARGUMENT?
>> BOY, THEY SURE DID THAT DAY, DIDN'T THEY?
>> BOY, THEY SURE DID THAT DAY, DIDN'T THEY?
DON'T DO THIS TO US DIDN'T THEY?
DON'T DO THIS TO US BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A POSITION DON'T DO THIS TO US BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A POSITION OF STRENGTH.
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A POSITION OF STRENGTH.
>> THEY DO NOT DO IT FROM A OF STRENGTH.
>> THEY DO NOT DO IT FROM A POSITION OF STRENGTH AND THERE >> THEY DO NOT DO IT FROM A POSITION OF STRENGTH AND THERE WERE SO MANY TIMES DURING THAT POSITION OF STRENGTH AND THERE WERE SO MANY TIMES DURING THAT HEARING THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE WERE SO MANY TIMES DURING THAT HEARING THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE COULDN'TTHEY REALLY HEARING THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE COULDN'TTHEY REALLY SAY WHETHER ANYBODY HAD BEEN COULDN'TTHEY REALLY SAY WHETHER ANYBODY HAD BEEN EXCUSED FOR COMMAND CLIMATE, THE SAY WHETHER ANYBODY HAD BEEN EXCUSED FOR COMMAND CLIMATE, THE SO-CALLED COMMAND CLIMATE IN THE EXCUSED FOR COMMAND CLIMATE, THE SO-CALLED COMMAND CLIMATE IN THE MILITARY BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT SO-CALLED COMMAND CLIMATE IN THE MILITARY BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT OR MILITARY BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT OR IN THAT UNIT.
OF SEXUAL HARASSMENT OR IN THAT UNIT.
A LOT OF THEM COULDN'T ANSWER IN THAT UNIT.
A LOT OF THEM COULDN'T ANSWER THAT EVEN THOUGH THE ANSWERS A LOT OF THEM COULDN'T ANSWER THAT EVEN THOUGH THE ANSWERS LIKE, LOOK, MOST OF OUR PEOPLE THAT EVEN THOUGH THE ANSWERS LIKE, LOOK, MOST OF OUR PEOPLE ARE GREAT.
LIKE, LOOK, MOST OF OUR PEOPLE ARE GREAT.
WE'LLN'T SAY ON ONE HAND ARE GREAT.
WE'LLN'T SAY ON ONE HAND HAVE ZERO TOLERANCE FOR THND PEE WE'LLN'T SAY ON ONE HAND HAVE ZERO TOLERANCE FOR THND PEE HAVING A PROBLEM.
HAVE ZERO TOLERANCE FOR THND PEE HAVING A PROBLEM.
SAY THAT AND PRETEND HAVING A PROBLEM.
SAY THAT AND PRETEND IT'S REALLY A PRIORITY.
SAY THAT AND PRETEND IT'S REALLY A PRIORITY.
IT HAS TO BE A PRIORITY.
IT'S REALLY A PRIORITY.
IT HAS TO BE A PRIORITY.
THEY HAVE TO FOCUS ON THIS IN IT HAS TO BE A PRIORITY.
THEY HAVE TO FOCUS ON THIS IN SAME WAY THEY'VE FOCUSED ON THEY HAVE TO FOCUS ON THIS IN SAME WAY THEY'VE FOCUSED ON OTHER THINGS IN THE MILITARY.
SAME WAY THEY'VE FOCUSED ON OTHER THINGS IN THE MILITARY.
THE MILITARY DID REALLY WELL OTHER THINGS IN THE MILITARY.
THE MILITARY DID REALLY WELL INTEGRATION, EVENTUALLY DID THE MILITARY DID REALLY WELL INTEGRATION, EVENTUALLY DID REALLY WELL INTEGRATING GAYS IN INTEGRATION, EVENTUALLY DID REALLY WELL INTEGRATING GAYS IN MILITARY.
REALLY WELL INTEGRATING GAYS IN MILITARY.
THAT WAS SORT OF THE Y2K.
MILITARY.
THAT WAS SORT OF THE Y2K.
SO THEY REALLY CAN DO THIS.
THAT WAS SORT OF THE Y2K.
SO THEY REALLY CAN DO THIS.
THEY CAN TEACH PEOPLE TO MARCH, SO THEY REALLY CAN DO THIS.
THEY CAN TEACH PEOPLE TO MARCH, THEY CAN TEACH 19-YEAR-OLDS TO THEY CAN TEACH PEOPLE TO MARCH, THEY CAN TEACH 19-YEAR-OLDS TO CLEAN UP THEIR SOCKS.
THEY CAN TEACH 19-YEAR-OLDS TO CLEAN UP THEIR SOCKS.
THEY CAN DO A BETTER JOB ON CLEAN UP THEIR SOCKS.
THEY CAN DO A BETTER JOB ON THIS.
THEY CAN DO A BETTER JOB ON THIS.
>> YOU'VE BEEN VISITING MILITARY THIS.
>> YOU'VE BEEN VISITING MILITARY UNITS FOR SOME TIME AND WHENEVER >> YOU'VE BEEN VISITING MILITARY UNITS FOR SOME TIME AND WHENEVER OUT TO A UNIT, YOU ALWAYS UNITS FOR SOME TIME AND WHENEVER OUT TO A UNIT, YOU ALWAYS SEE THESE ACTUAL HARASSMENT OUT TO A UNIT, YOU ALWAYS SEE THESE ACTUAL HARASSMENT AWARENESS CAMPAIGNS THAT ARE SEE THESE ACTUAL HARASSMENT AWARENESS CAMPAIGNS THAT ARE UNDERWAY AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT AWARENESS CAMPAIGNS THAT ARE UNDERWAY AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS OFS, UNDERWAY AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS OFS, INCIDENTS IS GOING UP.
THE NUMBERS OFS, INCIDENTS IS GOING UP.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN EXPLANATION INCIDENTS IS GOING UP.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN EXPLANATION THAT?
DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN EXPLANATION THAT?
>> IT'S LIKE THOSE DRINKING THAT?
>> IT'S LIKE THOSE DRINKING CAMPAIGNS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
>> IT'S LIKE THOSE DRINKING CAMPAIGNS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE SEE THE CAMPAIGNS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE SEE THE THEM.AND THEY IGNORE I THINK MOST PEOPLE SEE THE THEM.AND THEY IGNORE THEY HAVE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING THEM.AND THEY IGNORE THEY HAVE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
THEY HAVE TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
HASAIRNESS, THE MILITARY DIFFERENT.
HASAIRNESS, THE MILITARY TRIED TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY HASAIRNESS, THE MILITARY TRIED TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY IN THE PAST FEW YEARS.
TRIED TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY IN THE PAST FEW YEARS.
AE AIR FORCE ASSIGNS IN THE PAST FEW YEARS.
AE AIR FORCE ASSIGNS COUNSELOR TO SOMEBODY AFTER THEY AE AIR FORCE ASSIGNS COUNSELOR TO SOMEBODY AFTER THEY COMPLAIN OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT COUNSELOR TO SOMEBODY AFTER THEY COMPLAIN OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT BUT THE NUMBERS ARE GOING UP.
COMPLAIN OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT BUT THE NUMBERS ARE GOING UP.
AGAIN, THE KEY PROBLEM IS THEY BUT THE NUMBERS ARE GOING UP.
AGAIN, THE KEY PROBLEM IS THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT NUMBERS AGAIN, THE KEY PROBLEM IS THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT NUMBERS ARE GOING UP.
DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT NUMBERS ARE GOING UP.
SURVEYS,ENT OUT THESE ARE GOING UP.
SURVEYS,ENT OUT THESE THE SURVEY IS CLEARLY FLAWED BUT SURVEYS,ENT OUT THESE THE SURVEY IS CLEARLY FLAWED BUT IT WENT FROM 19,000 ESTIMATED TO THE SURVEY IS CLEARLY FLAWED BUT IT WENT FROM 19,000 ESTIMATED TO 26,000, MAYBE MORE PEOPLE ARE IT WENT FROM 19,000 ESTIMATED TO 26,000, MAYBE MORE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT, MAYBE MORE 26,000, MAYBE MORE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT, MAYBE MORE PEOPLE ARE REPORTING IT.
TALKING ABOUT IT, MAYBE MORE PEOPLE ARE REPORTING IT.
IF THIS IS JUST PEOPLE ARE REPORTING IT.
IF THIS IS JUST ABOUT MORE PEOPLE REPORTING IT IF THIS IS JUST ABOUT MORE PEOPLE REPORTING IT RATHER THAN IT HAPPENING MORE ABOUT MORE PEOPLE REPORTING IT RATHER THAN IT HAPPENING MORE FREQUENTLY.
RATHER THAN IT HAPPENING MORE FREQUENTLY.
IT IS CLEARLY HAPPENING FOR FREQUENTLY.
IT IS CLEARLY HAPPENING FOR FREQUENTLY, I THINK, IT'S JUST IT IS CLEARLY HAPPENING FOR FREQUENTLY, I THINK, IT'S JUST THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS FREQUENTLY, I THINK, IT'S JUST THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING MORE FREQUENTLY.
THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING MORE FREQUENTLY.
GWEN: WHAT IS THE SOLUTION AT HAPPENING MORE FREQUENTLY.
GWEN: WHAT IS THE SOLUTION AT THE SENATE PROPOSAL?
GWEN: WHAT IS THE SOLUTION AT THE SENATE PROPOSAL?
>> I THINK THE SOLUTION IN THE THE SENATE PROPOSAL?
>> I THINK THE SOLUTION IN THE SENATE PROPOSAL, I DON'T THINK >> I THINK THE SOLUTION IN THE SENATE PROPOSAL, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT BILL TO TAKE IT OUT OF SENATE PROPOSAL, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT BILL TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND HAS A THAT THAT BILL TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND HAS A PRAYER.
THE CHAIN OF COMMAND HAS A PRAYER.
I DO THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN PRAYER.
I DO THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE END IS THAT A COMMANDER I DO THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE END IS THAT A COMMANDER A CONVICTION AND THE END IS THAT A COMMANDER A CONVICTION AND THAT'S HAPPENED.
A CONVICTION AND THAT'S HAPPENED.
THAT WAS VERY TROUBLING IN THE THAT'S HAPPENED.
THAT WAS VERY TROUBLING IN THE OR SO, SOMEONE THAT WAS VERY TROUBLING IN THE OR SO, SOMEONE CONVICTED AND THEN THE SENIOR OR SO, SOMEONE CONVICTED AND THEN THE SENIOR COMMANDER MOVES IN AND SAYS YOU CONVICTED AND THEN THE SENIOR COMMANDER MOVES IN AND SAYS YOU DON'T THINK THIS COMMANDER MOVES IN AND SAYS YOU DON'T THINK THIS GUY SHOULD BE -- AND THAT CAUSED DON'T THINK THIS GUY SHOULD BE -- AND THAT CAUSED AN OUTRAGE.
GUY SHOULD BE -- AND THAT CAUSED AN OUTRAGE.
THEHEARD SEVERAL OF AN OUTRAGE.
THEHEARD SEVERAL OF SENATORS COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT IN THEHEARD SEVERAL OF SENATORS COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT IN THE HEARING.
SENATORS COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT IN THE HEARING.
WEEK,SO WHAT WE SAW THIS THE HEARING.
WEEK,SO WHAT WE SAW THIS UNDERSCORES WHETHER THERE IS A WEEK,SO WHAT WE SAW THIS UNDERSCORES WHETHER THERE IS A CULTURAL ISSUE AT THE HEART OF UNDERSCORES WHETHER THERE IS A CULTURAL ISSUE AT THE HEART OF THE SENATE BECAUSE CULTURAL ISSUE AT THE HEART OF THE SENATE BECAUSE SUDDENLY WE HAD ALL THESE WOMEN THE SENATE BECAUSE SUDDENLY WE HAD ALL THESE WOMEN ON THIS COMMITTEE WHERE YOU SUDDENLY WE HAD ALL THESE WOMEN ON THIS COMMITTEE WHERE YOU BEFORE BUT WOMEN ON THIS COMMITTEE WHERE YOU BEFORE BUT WOMEN ALSO IN THE RANKS.
BEFORE BUT WOMEN ALSO IN THE RANKS.
I WONDER WHETHER THERE IS A ALSO IN THE RANKS.
I WONDER WHETHER THERE IS A CULTURAL PROBLEM AT THE ROOT I WONDER WHETHER THERE IS A CULTURAL PROBLEM AT THE ROOT FIXED AS SIMPLY AS CULTURAL PROBLEM AT THE ROOT FIXED AS SIMPLY AS OTHER THINGS HAD BEEN.
FIXED AS SIMPLY AS OTHER THINGS HAD BEEN.
>> MAYBE NOT.
OTHER THINGS HAD BEEN.
>> MAYBE NOT.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN'T DO >> MAYBE NOT.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN'T DO CAN'T SAY THINGS LIKE IN ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN'T DO CAN'T SAY THINGS LIKE IN OH, IT'SORCE GENERAL, CAN'T SAY THINGS LIKE IN OH, IT'SORCE GENERAL, THE HOOK-UP GENERATION.
OH, IT'SORCE GENERAL, THE HOOK-UP GENERATION.
YOU CAN'T THINK THAT WAY.
THE HOOK-UP GENERATION.
YOU CAN'T THINK THAT WAY.
OF LEADERSHIP.
YOU CAN'T THINK THAT WAY.
OF LEADERSHIP.
>> A SENATOR THAT SAID THIS OF LEADERSHIP.
>> A SENATOR THAT SAID THIS WEEK.
>> A SENATOR THAT SAID THIS WEEK.
>> IT'S A QUESTION OF LEADERSHIP WEEK.
>> IT'S A QUESTION OF LEADERSHIP HAS TO BE THROUGHOUT THE >> IT'S A QUESTION OF LEADERSHIP HAS TO BE THROUGHOUT THE RANKS.
HAS TO BE THROUGHOUT THE RANKS.
IT CAN'T BE JUST SIGNS ON THE RANKS.
IT CAN'T BE JUST SIGNS ON THE WALL THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO IT CAN'T BE JUST SIGNS ON THE WALL THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO PASS BY.
WALL THAT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO PASS BY.
A PRIORITY.
PASS BY.
A PRIORITY.
THESE SEXUAL ASSAULT LEADERS, A PRIORITY.
THESE SEXUAL ASSAULT LEADERS, AEY HAVE TO MAKE THIS THESE SEXUAL ASSAULT LEADERS, AEY HAVE TO MAKE THIS PRIORITY.
AEY HAVE TO MAKE THIS PRIORITY.
GWEN: THANK YOU.
PRIORITY.
GWEN: THANK YOU.
IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THIS GWEN: THANK YOU.
IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THIS UPHEAVAL OVER NATIONAL SECURITY IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THIS UPHEAVAL OVER NATIONAL SECURITY IN THE MILITARY AND IN ADVANCE UPHEAVAL OVER NATIONAL SECURITY IN THE MILITARY AND IN ADVANCE THE CHINESE FROM IN THE MILITARY AND IN ADVANCE THE CHINESE FROM PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT OBAMA THE CHINESE FROM PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT OBAMA REORDERED HIS FOREIGN POLICY PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT OBAMA REORDERED HIS FOREIGN POLICY TEAM THIS WEEK BRINGING U.N. REORDERED HIS FOREIGN POLICY TEAM THIS WEEK BRINGING U.N.
INTO THER SUSAN RICE TEAM THIS WEEK BRINGING U.N.
INTO THER SUSAN RICE WHITE HOUSE INNER CIRCLE AS INTO THER SUSAN RICE WHITE HOUSE INNER CIRCLE AS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER AND WHITE HOUSE INNER CIRCLE AS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER AND NOMINATING SAMANTHA POWER TO BE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER AND NOMINATING SAMANTHA POWER TO BE U.S.
AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.
NOMINATING SAMANTHA POWER TO BE U.S.
AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. ARE WE TO READ INTO THE U.S.
AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. ARE WE TO READ INTO THE PICKS?
ARE WE TO READ INTO THE PICKS?
>> THE PRESIDENT HAS CHOSEN TWO PICKS?
>> THE PRESIDENT HAS CHOSEN TWO PEOPLE WHO YOU WOULD CALL >> THE PRESIDENT HAS CHOSEN TWO PEOPLE WHO YOU WOULD CALL LIBERAL INTERVENTIONISTS TO GO PEOPLE WHO YOU WOULD CALL LIBERAL INTERVENTIONISTS TO GO REPLACE -- LIBERAL INTERVENTIONISTS TO GO REPLACE -- GWEN: WHAT'S THAT MEAN?
REPLACE -- GWEN: WHAT'S THAT MEAN?
MEANING THEY HAVE BEEN GWEN: WHAT'S THAT MEAN?
MEANING THEY HAVE BEEN LIBERALS IN FAVOR OF MEANING THEY HAVE BEEN LIBERALS IN FAVOR OF INTERVENING, HAVING THE UNITED LIBERALS IN FAVOR OF INTERVENING, HAVING THE UNITED OTHER INTERVENE IN INTERVENING, HAVING THE UNITED OTHER INTERVENE IN COUNTRIES MOSTLY ON HUMANITARIAN OTHER INTERVENE IN COUNTRIES MOSTLY ON HUMANITARIAN SAMANTHA POWER AND COUNTRIES MOSTLY ON HUMANITARIAN SAMANTHA POWER AND SUSAN RICE WERE ALIVE, FOR SAMANTHA POWER AND SUSAN RICE WERE ALIVE, FOR STATEE, WITH SECRETARY OF SUSAN RICE WERE ALIVE, FOR STATEE, WITH SECRETARY OF HILLARY CLINTON, IN THE DEBATE STATEE, WITH SECRETARY OF HILLARY CLINTON, IN THE DEBATE IN THE SITUATION ROOM ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON, IN THE DEBATE IN THE SITUATION ROOM ABOUT LIBYA AND GO INTO IN THE SITUATION ROOM ABOUT LIBYA AND GO INTO THEY WON THAT DEBATE AND THE LIBYA AND GO INTO THEY WON THAT DEBATE AND THE PRESIDENT DID GO IN.
THEY WON THAT DEBATE AND THE PRESIDENT DID GO IN.
THEY HAVE NOT WON IT SO FAR, FOR PRESIDENT DID GO IN.
THEY HAVE NOT WON IT SO FAR, FOR EXAMPLE, IN SYRIA, AND YOU HEARD THEY HAVE NOT WON IT SO FAR, FOR EXAMPLE, IN SYRIA, AND YOU HEARD THE PRESIDENT IN THE EXAMPLE, IN SYRIA, AND YOU HEARD THE PRESIDENT IN THE SUSANCEMENT TALK ABOUT THE PRESIDENT IN THE SUSANCEMENT TALK ABOUT RICE AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS A HUGE SUSANCEMENT TALK ABOUT RICE AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS A HUGE WHO AREFOR THOSE RICE AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS A HUGE WHO AREFOR THOSE SUFFERING AND A FEELING THAT WHO AREFOR THOSE SUFFERING AND A FEELING THAT AMERICAN POWER CAN BE USED TO SUFFERING AND A FEELING THAT AMERICAN POWER CAN BE USED TO THATTHEM, BUT BALANCING AMERICAN POWER CAN BE USED TO THATTHEM, BUT BALANCING WITH THE RECOGNITION THAT THE THATTHEM, BUT BALANCING WITH THE RECOGNITION THAT THE U.S.
THESE DAYS CAN'T GO WITH THE RECOGNITION THAT THE U.S.
THESE DAYS CAN'T GO EVERYWHERE.
U.S.
THESE DAYS CAN'T GO EVERYWHERE.
GWEN: SHE WON THE PULITZER PRIZE EVERYWHERE.
GWEN: SHE WON THE PULITZER PRIZE GENOCIDE.G ABOUT GWEN: SHE WON THE PULITZER PRIZE GENOCIDE.G ABOUT >> SAMANTHA POWER.
GENOCIDE.G ABOUT >> SAMANTHA POWER.
GWEN: I'M SORRY, YOU WERE >> SAMANTHA POWER.
GWEN: I'M SORRY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT RICE.
GWEN: I'M SORRY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT RICE.
BUT THERE'S A CLEAR POINT OF TALKING ABOUT RICE.
BUT THERE'S A CLEAR POINT OF VIEW HERE.
BUT THERE'S A CLEAR POINT OF VIEW HERE.
THERE VERY MUCH IS.
VIEW HERE.
THERE VERY MUCH IS.
GWEN: IT IS THAT POINT OF VIEW THERE VERY MUCH IS.
GWEN: IT IS THAT POINT OF VIEW POLICY?MINISTRATION GWEN: IT IS THAT POINT OF VIEW POLICY?MINISTRATION >> ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A POLICY?MINISTRATION >> ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A ISSIDENT WHO HAS SHOWN HE >> ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A ISSIDENT WHO HAS SHOWN HE VERY RELUCTANT TO INTERVENE.
ISSIDENT WHO HAS SHOWN HE VERY RELUCTANT TO INTERVENE.
IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT VERY RELUCTANT TO INTERVENE.
IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT REALLY MARKED THE FIRST TERM OF IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT REALLY MARKED THE FIRST TERM OF OBAMA PERIOD, IT WAS NOT REALLY MARKED THE FIRST TERM OF OBAMA PERIOD, IT WAS NOT ONLY GETTING OUT OF IRAQ AND NOT OBAMA PERIOD, IT WAS NOT ONLY GETTING OUT OF IRAQ AND NOT SURGE INTONG THE ONLY GETTING OUT OF IRAQ AND NOT SURGE INTONG THE AFGHANISTAN MAYBE WASN'T WORKING SURGE INTONG THE AFGHANISTAN MAYBE WASN'T WORKING AND SPEEDING THE WAY OUT OF THAT AFGHANISTAN MAYBE WASN'T WORKING AND SPEEDING THE WAY OUT OF THAT TO THE AFGHAN GOOD AND SPEEDING THE WAY OUT OF THAT TO THE AFGHAN GOOD ENOUGH COMMITTEE INSIDE THE TO THE AFGHAN GOOD ENOUGH COMMITTEE INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE BUT ALSO HIS ENOUGH COMMITTEE INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE BUT ALSO HIS INCREDIBLE RELUCTANCE OVER THE WHITE HOUSE BUT ALSO HIS INCREDIBLE RELUCTANCE OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS TO GET VERY CLOSE INCREDIBLE RELUCTANCE OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS TO GET VERY CLOSE REVOLUTIONSE ARAB PAST TWO YEARS TO GET VERY CLOSE REVOLUTIONSE ARAB AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE REVOLUTIONSE ARAB AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FASCINATING DEBATE THAT AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FASCINATING DEBATE THAT PLAYS OUT.
THE FASCINATING DEBATE THAT PLAYS OUT.
GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT PLAYS OUT.
GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT TOM DONILON?
GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT TOM DONILON?
DOES TOM OF LEGACY TOM DONILON?
DOES TOM OF LEGACY DONILON LEAVE THAT THEY CAN DOES TOM OF LEGACY DONILON LEAVE THAT THEY CAN BUILD ON OR NOT BUILD ON?
DONILON LEAVE THAT THEY CAN BUILD ON OR NOT BUILD ON?
TOM DONILON DID A NUMBER OF BUILD ON OR NOT BUILD ON?
TOM DONILON DID A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
TOM DONILON DID A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
HE'S A LAWYER, KNOWN AS A DIFFERENT THINGS.
HE'S A LAWYER, KNOWN AS A POLITICAL OPERATIVE WHO HE'S A LAWYER, KNOWN AS A POLITICAL OPERATIVE WHO SPENT A LOT OF TIME STUDYING POLITICAL OPERATIVE WHO SPENT A LOT OF TIME STUDYING FOREIGN POLICY.
SPENT A LOT OF TIME STUDYING FOREIGN POLICY.
YOU WOULD SEE HIM GO HOME WITH FOREIGN POLICY.
YOU WOULD SEE HIM GO HOME WITH FULL GIANT L.L.
BEAN BAGS YOU WOULD SEE HIM GO HOME WITH FULL GIANT L.L.
BEAN BAGS OF FOREIGN POLICY READINGS ON FULL GIANT L.L.
BEAN BAGS OF FOREIGN POLICY READINGS ON THE WEEKEND.
OF FOREIGN POLICY READINGS ON THE WEEKEND.
HE KEPT TRACK OF THE NUMBER OF THE WEEKEND.
HE KEPT TRACK OF THE NUMBER OF PRESIDENT.BRIEF THE HE KEPT TRACK OF THE NUMBER OF PRESIDENT.BRIEF THE IT HIT ABOUT 800 BY THE TIME HE PRESIDENT.BRIEF THE IT HIT ABOUT 800 BY THE TIME HE ANNOUNCED HIS TIME.
IT HIT ABOUT 800 BY THE TIME HE ANNOUNCED HIS TIME.
TIME TO LEAVE.
ANNOUNCED HIS TIME.
TIME TO LEAVE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
TIME TO LEAVE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
HAD THREEER HAND, HE >> THAT'S RIGHT.
HAD THREEER HAND, HE BIG PROJECTS I THINK HE REALLY HAD THREEER HAND, HE BIG PROJECTS I THINK HE REALLY FOCUSED ON.
BIG PROJECTS I THINK HE REALLY FOCUSED ON.
ONE OF THEM WAS CHINA.
FOCUSED ON.
ONE OF THEM WAS CHINA.
THEM WAS TRYING ONE OF THEM WAS CHINA.
THEM WAS TRYING TO RIGHT THE SAUDI RELATIONSHIP.
THEM WAS TRYING TO RIGHT THE SAUDI RELATIONSHIP.
AND A THIRD AND CRITICAL ONE WAS TO RIGHT THE SAUDI RELATIONSHIP.
AND A THIRD AND CRITICAL ONE WAS PAKISTAN.
AND A THIRD AND CRITICAL ONE WAS PAKISTAN.
IT'S CHINA THAT I THINK HE MOST PAKISTAN.
IT'S CHINA THAT I THINK HE MOST WANTS TO BE RECALLED FOR AND IT'S CHINA THAT I THINK HE MOST WANTS TO BE RECALLED FOR AND THATSORT OF INTERESTING WANTS TO BE RECALLED FOR AND THATSORT OF INTERESTING THIS ANNOUNCEMENT CAME JUST THATSORT OF INTERESTING THIS ANNOUNCEMENT CAME JUST BEFORE THE MEETING THAT'S JUST THIS ANNOUNCEMENT CAME JUST BEFORE THE MEETING THAT'S JUST BEGUN NOW BETWEEN PRESIDENT BEFORE THE MEETING THAT'S JUST BEGUN NOW BETWEEN PRESIDENT OBAMA AND XI JINPING, THE BEGUN NOW BETWEEN PRESIDENT OBAMA AND XI JINPING, THE PRESIDENT OF CHINA, AND OBAMA AND XI JINPING, THE PRESIDENT OF CHINA, AND MR. DONILON IS SITTING IN ON PRESIDENT OF CHINA, AND MR. DONILON IS SITTING IN ON THAT ONE BUT IT WAS REALLY HIS MR. DONILON IS SITTING IN ON THAT ONE BUT IT WAS REALLY HIS THISTO SORT OF ORGANIZE THAT ONE BUT IT WAS REALLY HIS THISTO SORT OF ORGANIZE INFORMAL MEETING AT THE OLD THISTO SORT OF ORGANIZE INFORMAL MEETING AT THE OLD ANNENBERG ESTATE IN CALIFORNIA INFORMAL MEETING AT THE OLD ANNENBERG ESTATE IN CALIFORNIA PIVOTTHINK IT'S THE ANNENBERG ESTATE IN CALIFORNIA PIVOTTHINK IT'S THE TOWARDS ASIA THAT HE'S MOST PIVOTTHINK IT'S THE TOWARDS ASIA THAT HE'S MOST RECALLEDWANT TO BE TOWARDS ASIA THAT HE'S MOST RECALLEDWANT TO BE FOR.
RECALLEDWANT TO BE FOR.
>> WHAT ABOUT SUSAN RICE'S FOR.
>> WHAT ABOUT SUSAN RICE'S STYLE?
>> WHAT ABOUT SUSAN RICE'S STYLE?
WILL SHE BE MORE ASSERTIVE?
STYLE?
WILL SHE BE MORE ASSERTIVE?
WILL SHE BE MORE IN THE INNER WILL SHE BE MORE ASSERTIVE?
WILL SHE BE MORE IN THE INNER CIRCLE?
WILL SHE BE MORE IN THE INNER CIRCLE?
>> THE FASCINATING THING ABOUT CIRCLE?
>> THE FASCINATING THING ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER IS >> THE FASCINATING THING ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER IS IN MANY WAYS IT'S THE MOST NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER IS IN MANY WAYS IT'S THE MOST POWERFUL SINGLE NATIONAL IN MANY WAYS IT'S THE MOST POWERFUL SINGLE NATIONAL SECURITY JOB IN THE UNITED POWERFUL SINGLE NATIONAL SECURITY JOB IN THE UNITED WOULD SAY MORE SECURITY JOB IN THE UNITED WOULD SAY MORE POWERFUL THAN DEFENSE SECRETARY WOULD SAY MORE POWERFUL THAN DEFENSE SECRETARY OR SECRETARY OF STATE BECAUSE POWERFUL THAN DEFENSE SECRETARY OR SECRETARY OF STATE BECAUSE YOU'RE SITTING AT THE PLACE OR SECRETARY OF STATE BECAUSE YOU'RE SITTING AT THE PLACE THE CONFLICTING YOU'RE SITTING AT THE PLACE THE CONFLICTING OPINIONS COME IN AND YOU CAN THE CONFLICTING OPINIONS COME IN AND YOU CAN EITHER MANIPULATE THOSE OPINIONS COME IN AND YOU CAN EITHER MANIPULATE THOSE HENRY KISSINGER STYLE, EITHER MANIPULATE THOSE HENRY KISSINGER STYLE, OR YOU CAN GUIDE THOSE INTO THE HENRY KISSINGER STYLE, OR YOU CAN GUIDE THOSE INTO THE PRESIDENT AND MAKE SURE HE HEARS OR YOU CAN GUIDE THOSE INTO THE PRESIDENT AND MAKE SURE HE HEARS CONFLICTING OPINION, AS PRESIDENT AND MAKE SURE HE HEARS CONFLICTING OPINION, AS SCOWCROFT DID.
CONFLICTING OPINION, AS SCOWCROFT DID.
HIMSELF IN THE SCOWCROFT DID.
HIMSELF IN THE BRENT SCOWCROFT MODEL.
HIMSELF IN THE BRENT SCOWCROFT MODEL.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SUSAN RICE BRENT SCOWCROFT MODEL.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SUSAN RICE LIKE THAT N THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT SUSAN RICE LIKE THAT N THAT REGARD.
LIKE THAT N THAT REGARD.
GWEN: YOU COVERED THE LAST REGARD.
GWEN: YOU COVERED THE LAST ADMINISTRATION AND THE BALANCE GWEN: YOU COVERED THE LAST ADMINISTRATION AND THE BALANCE STRIKERE TRYING TO ADMINISTRATION AND THE BALANCE STRIKERE TRYING TO AMONGST STATE, DEFENSE AND THE STRIKERE TRYING TO AMONGST STATE, DEFENSE AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER'S AMONGST STATE, DEFENSE AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER'S WAS OFTEN SOMEE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER'S WAS OFTEN SOMEE FRICTION THERE, WHETHER IT WAS WAS OFTEN SOMEE FRICTION THERE, WHETHER IT WAS AND DONALD RICE FRICTION THERE, WHETHER IT WAS AND DONALD RICE RUMSFELD, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND DONALD RICE RUMSFELD, THAT SORT OF THING.
HOW IS THE BALANCE NOW WITH THE RUMSFELD, THAT SORT OF THING.
HOW IS THE BALANCE NOW WITH THE THREE PEOPLE IN THOSE THREE HOW IS THE BALANCE NOW WITH THE THREE PEOPLE IN THOSE THREE JOBS?
THREE PEOPLE IN THOSE THREE JOBS?
WELL, IN THE FIRST TERM, JOBS?
WELL, IN THE FIRST TERM, THERE WAS A FAIR BIT OF FRICTION WELL, IN THE FIRST TERM, THERE WAS A FAIR BIT OF FRICTION SAW FREQUENTLY SECRETARY THERE WAS A FAIR BIT OF FRICTION SAW FREQUENTLY SECRETARY CLINTON AND DEFENSE SECRETARY SAW FREQUENTLY SECRETARY CLINTON AND DEFENSE SECRETARY UP, FOR EXAMPLE, CLINTON AND DEFENSE SECRETARY UP, FOR EXAMPLE, AGAINST VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND UP, FOR EXAMPLE, AGAINST VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND SOME OF THE POLITICAL -- AGAINST VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND SOME OF THE POLITICAL -- PARTICULARLY OVER AFGHANISTAN.
SOME OF THE POLITICAL -- PARTICULARLY OVER AFGHANISTAN.
IN THIS CASE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN PARTICULARLY OVER AFGHANISTAN.
IN THIS CASE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN BETWEEN JOHN YET IN THIS CASE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN BETWEEN JOHN YET KERRY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND BETWEEN JOHN YET KERRY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND SECRETARY HAZEL AT DEFENSE AND KERRY, FOR EXAMPLE, AND SECRETARY HAZEL AT DEFENSE AND WE DON'T KNOW QUITE HOW THIS SECRETARY HAZEL AT DEFENSE AND WE DON'T KNOW QUITE HOW THIS THERENG TO PLAY OUT BUT WE DON'T KNOW QUITE HOW THIS THERENG TO PLAY OUT BUT IS VERY MUCH THE SENSE THAT THE THERENG TO PLAY OUT BUT IS VERY MUCH THE SENSE THAT THE PRESIDENT ISN'T GOING TO HEAR AS IS VERY MUCH THE SENSE THAT THE PRESIDENT ISN'T GOING TO HEAR AS FIRST TERM AND PRESIDENT ISN'T GOING TO HEAR AS FIRST TERM AND THAT CAN BE BAD NEWS BECAUSE FIRST TERM AND THAT CAN BE BAD NEWS BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU NEED THAT THAT CAN BE BAD NEWS BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU NEED THAT CONTENTION IN THE SYSTEM TO AIR SOMETIMES YOU NEED THAT CONTENTION IN THE SYSTEM TO AIR OUT NOT ONLY DIFFERENCES BUT CONTENTION IN THE SYSTEM TO AIR OUT NOT ONLY DIFFERENCES BUT OTHER POLICY OPTIONS.
OUT NOT ONLY DIFFERENCES BUT OTHER POLICY OPTIONS.
GWEN: IF YOU'RE CHUCK HAGEL AND OTHER POLICY OPTIONS.
GWEN: IF YOU'RE CHUCK HAGEL AND JOHN KERRY WHO WASN'T PART OF GWEN: IF YOU'RE CHUCK HAGEL AND JOHN KERRY WHO WASN'T PART OF WAY OBAMA INNER CIRCLE IN A JOHN KERRY WHO WASN'T PART OF WAY OBAMA INNER CIRCLE IN A THAT SAMANTHA POWER AND SUSAN WAY OBAMA INNER CIRCLE IN A THAT SAMANTHA POWER AND SUSAN RICE WERE, MIGHT YOU BE FEARING THAT SAMANTHA POWER AND SUSAN RICE WERE, MIGHT YOU BE FEARING YOUR INFLUENCE?
RICE WERE, MIGHT YOU BE FEARING YOUR INFLUENCE?
MY GUESS IS THIS PROBABLY WAS YOUR INFLUENCE?
MY GUESS IS THIS PROBABLY WAS SURPRISING NEWS BECAUSE MY GUESS IS THIS PROBABLY WAS SURPRISING NEWS BECAUSE EVERYBODY BELIEVED THAT SURPRISING NEWS BECAUSE EVERYBODY BELIEVED THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS GOING TO EVERYBODY BELIEVED THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS GOING TO REACH FOR SUSAN RICE.
PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS GOING TO REACH FOR SUSAN RICE.
TIMING WAS A BIT SURPRISING.
REACH FOR SUSAN RICE.
TIMING WAS A BIT SURPRISING.
I THINK IT HAPPENED FASTER THAN TIMING WAS A BIT SURPRISING.
I THINK IT HAPPENED FASTER THAN MANY EVEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE I THINK IT HAPPENED FASTER THAN MANY EVEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE IT WOULD.
MANY EVEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE IT WOULD.
>> ANY IDEA AS TO WHY?
IT WOULD.
>> ANY IDEA AS TO WHY?
>> WE HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT >> ANY IDEA AS TO WHY?
>> WE HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT YET.
>> WE HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT YET.
WE DON'T KNOW IF PERHAPS YET.
WE DON'T KNOW IF PERHAPS PRESIDENT OBAMA MADE GHOIMENTS WE DON'T KNOW IF PERHAPS PRESIDENT OBAMA MADE GHOIMENTS -- COMMITMENTS TO SUSAN PRESIDENT OBAMA MADE GHOIMENTS -- COMMITMENTS TO SUSAN RICE, HOPED SHE WOULD BE -- COMMITMENTS TO SUSAN RICE, HOPED SHE WOULD BE BENGHAZI OF STATE, BUT RICE, HOPED SHE WOULD BE BENGHAZI OF STATE, BUT STATEMENTS DERAILED THAT.
BENGHAZI OF STATE, BUT STATEMENTS DERAILED THAT.
MAYBE HE FELT HE WANTED ONE STATEMENTS DERAILED THAT.
MAYBE HE FELT HE WANTED ONE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER IN FOR MAYBE HE FELT HE WANTED ONE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER IN FOR TERM.OLE SECOND NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER IN FOR TERM.OLE SECOND IT'S NOT -- TERM.OLE SECOND IT'S NOT -- >> -- IT'S NOT -- >> -- GWEN: MAYBE HE FIGURED IT WAS >> -- GWEN: MAYBE HE FIGURED IT WAS END, HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE GWEN: MAYBE HE FIGURED IT WAS END, HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS.OW, THIS IS WHO HE END, HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS.OW, THIS IS WHO HE >> THAT COULD BE IT.
WANTS.OW, THIS IS WHO HE >> THAT COULD BE IT.
GWEN: WE HAVE TO LEAVE A BIT >> THAT COULD BE IT.
GWEN: WE HAVE TO LEAVE A BIT EARLY AGAIN THIS WEEK TO GIVE GWEN: WE HAVE TO LEAVE A BIT EARLY AGAIN THIS WEEK TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT EARLY AGAIN THIS WEEK TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT --R LOCAL STATION'S LEDGE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT --R LOCAL STATION'S LEDGE PLEDGE WEEK.
--R LOCAL STATION'S LEDGE PLEDGE WEEK.
WE WANT TO NOTE THE PASSING OF PLEDGE WEEK.
WE WANT TO NOTE THE PASSING OF FRANK LAUTENBERG, THE FIVE-TERM WE WANT TO NOTE THE PASSING OF FRANK LAUTENBERG, THE FIVE-TERM NEW JERSEY SENATOR.
FRANK LAUTENBERG, THE FIVE-TERM NEW JERSEY SENATOR.
IF NO ONE IS SMOKING ON YOUR NEW JERSEY SENATOR.
IF NO ONE IS SMOKING ON YOUR AND FEWER DRUNK TEERGES IF NO ONE IS SMOKING ON YOUR AND FEWER DRUNK TEERGES THE WHEEL, YOU HAVE AND FEWER DRUNK TEERGES THE WHEEL, YOU HAVE HIM TO THANK.
THE WHEEL, YOU HAVE HIM TO THANK.
THE OTHER MILESTONE IS JOHN HIM TO THANK.
THE OTHER MILESTONE IS JOHN THE LONGESTBECAME THE OTHER MILESTONE IS JOHN THE LONGESTBECAME SERVING MEMBER OF THE UTEDNI THE LONGESTBECAME SERVING MEMBER OF THE UTEDNI STATES CONGRESS, OVER 57 YEARS SERVING MEMBER OF THE UTEDNI STATES CONGRESS, OVER 57 YEARS STATES CONGRESS, OVER 57 YEARS BEHALF OF THEN BEHALF OF THEN STATE OF MICHIGAN.
HE SUCCEEDED HIS FATHER WHO WAS STATE OF MICHIGAN.
HE SUCCEEDED HIS FATHER WHO WAS ELECTED TO THE SEAT IN 1933.
HE SUCCEEDED HIS FATHER WHO WAS ELECTED TO THE SEAT IN 1933.
THAT'S 80 YEARS OF DINGELLS.
ELECTED TO THE SEAT IN 1933.
THAT'S 80 YEARS OF DINGELLS.
CONGRATULATIONS.
THAT'S 80 YEARS OF DINGELLS.
CONGRATULATIONS.
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