May 24, 2013

05/23/2013 | 25m 36s | Video has closed captioning.

We talk with Grammy-Award-winning artist Bobby McFerrin about his Christian faith, his music, and his new album "spirityouall." We also travel to Thailand to ask if Buddhism is giving way to consumerism and materialism as the country modernizes and prospers.

Aired: 05/23/13

Rating: NR

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>>> COMING UP -- LUCKY SEVERSON >>> COMING UP -- LUCKY SEVERSON REPORTS ON A FAMILIAR CONFLICT >>> COMING UP -- LUCKY SEVERSON REPORTS ON A FAMILIAR CONFLICT IN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES NOW REPORTS ON A FAMILIAR CONFLICT IN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES NOW DIVIDING BUDDHISTS IN THAILAND.

IN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES NOW DIVIDING BUDDHISTS IN THAILAND.

HOW DO YOU STAY RELIGIOUS IN A DIVIDING BUDDHISTS IN THAILAND.

HOW DO YOU STAY RELIGIOUS IN A CONSUMER SOCIETY.

♪ CONSUMER SOCIETY.

♪ >>> AND KIM LAWTON SPEAKS WITH ♪ >>> AND KIM LAWTON SPEAKS WITH GRAMMY-AWARD WINNING ARTIST >>> AND KIM LAWTON SPEAKS WITH GRAMMY-AWARD WINNING ARTIST BOBBY McFERRIN ABOUT FAITH AND GRAMMY-AWARD WINNING ARTIST BOBBY McFERRIN ABOUT FAITH AND THE TRANSCENDENT POWER OF MUSIC.

BOBBY McFERRIN ABOUT FAITH AND THE TRANSCENDENT POWER OF MUSIC.

>>> WELCOME.

THE TRANSCENDENT POWER OF MUSIC.

>>> WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

>>> WELCOME.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US, I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US, THIS MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND.

IN A MAJOR SPEECH THIS WEEK, THIS MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND.

IN A MAJOR SPEECH THIS WEEK, PRESIDENT OBAMA ADDRESSED IN A MAJOR SPEECH THIS WEEK, PRESIDENT OBAMA ADDRESSED GROWING MORAL CONCERNS ABOUT PRESIDENT OBAMA ADDRESSED GROWING MORAL CONCERNS ABOUT AMERICA'S USE OF WEAPONIZED GROWING MORAL CONCERNS ABOUT AMERICA'S USE OF WEAPONIZED DRONES IN THE WAR AGAINST AMERICA'S USE OF WEAPONIZED DRONES IN THE WAR AGAINST TERROR.

DRONES IN THE WAR AGAINST TERROR.

HE ANNOUNCED NEW GUIDELINES TO TERROR.

HE ANNOUNCED NEW GUIDELINES TO PROVIDE MORE TRANSPARENCY AND HE ANNOUNCED NEW GUIDELINES TO PROVIDE MORE TRANSPARENCY AND OVERSIGHT FOR DRONE STRIKES AND PROVIDE MORE TRANSPARENCY AND OVERSIGHT FOR DRONE STRIKES AND A NEW STANDARD FOR WHEN THEY ARE OVERSIGHT FOR DRONE STRIKES AND A NEW STANDARD FOR WHEN THEY ARE DEPLOYED.

A NEW STANDARD FOR WHEN THEY ARE DEPLOYED.

ADMITTING THAT HE IS HAUNTED BY DEPLOYED.

ADMITTING THAT HE IS HAUNTED BY THE DEATHS OF CIVILIANS KILLED ADMITTING THAT HE IS HAUNTED BY THE DEATHS OF CIVILIANS KILLED IN DRONE ATTACKS AGAINST AL THE DEATHS OF CIVILIANS KILLED IN DRONE ATTACKS AGAINST AL QAEDA TERRORISTS, THE PRESIDENT IN DRONE ATTACKS AGAINST AL QAEDA TERRORISTS, THE PRESIDENT SAID NONETHELESS, HE BELIEVES QAEDA TERRORISTS, THE PRESIDENT SAID NONETHELESS, HE BELIEVES DRONE USE IS MORAL.

SAID NONETHELESS, HE BELIEVES DRONE USE IS MORAL.

>> WE ARE AT WAR WITH AN DRONE USE IS MORAL.

>> WE ARE AT WAR WITH AN ORGANIZATION THAT RIGHT NOW >> WE ARE AT WAR WITH AN ORGANIZATION THAT RIGHT NOW WOULD KILL AS MANY AMERICANS AS ORGANIZATION THAT RIGHT NOW WOULD KILL AS MANY AMERICANS AS THEY COULD IF WE DID NOT STOP WOULD KILL AS MANY AMERICANS AS THEY COULD IF WE DID NOT STOP THEM FIRST.

THEY COULD IF WE DID NOT STOP THEM FIRST.

SO THIS IS A JUST WAR, A WAR THEM FIRST.

SO THIS IS A JUST WAR, A WAR WAGED PROPORTIONALLY, IN LAST SO THIS IS A JUST WAR, A WAR WAGED PROPORTIONALLY, IN LAST RESORT AND IN SELF-DEFENSE.

WAGED PROPORTIONALLY, IN LAST RESORT AND IN SELF-DEFENSE.

>> ON WEDNESDAY, THE RESORT AND IN SELF-DEFENSE.

>> ON WEDNESDAY, THE ADMINISTRATION ACKNOWLEDGED FOR >> ON WEDNESDAY, THE ADMINISTRATION ACKNOWLEDGED FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT THE U.S. HAD ADMINISTRATION ACKNOWLEDGED FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT THE U.S. HAD KILLED FOUR AMERICANS IN DRONE THE FIRST TIME THAT THE U.S. HAD KILLED FOUR AMERICANS IN DRONE STRIKES OVERSEAS, ALTHOUGH IT KILLED FOUR AMERICANS IN DRONE STRIKES OVERSEAS, ALTHOUGH IT SAID ONLY ONE OF THEM, RADICAL STRIKES OVERSEAS, ALTHOUGH IT SAID ONLY ONE OF THEM, RADICAL MUSLIM CLERIC ANWAR AL-AWLAKI, SAID ONLY ONE OF THEM, RADICAL MUSLIM CLERIC ANWAR AL-AWLAKI, WAS SPECIFICALLY TARGETED.

MUSLIM CLERIC ANWAR AL-AWLAKI, WAS SPECIFICALLY TARGETED.

GROWING NUMBERS OF ETHICISTS AND WAS SPECIFICALLY TARGETED.

GROWING NUMBERS OF ETHICISTS AND RELIGIOUS LEADERS HAVE BEEN GROWING NUMBERS OF ETHICISTS AND RELIGIOUS LEADERS HAVE BEEN RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS HAVE BEEN RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT THE U.S. DRONE ATTACKS.

RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT THE U.S. DRONE ATTACKS.

THIS WEEK, BISHOP RICHARD PATES, U.S. DRONE ATTACKS.

THIS WEEK, BISHOP RICHARD PATES, CHAIR OF THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS' THIS WEEK, BISHOP RICHARD PATES, CHAIR OF THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS' COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL PEACE CHAIR OF THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS' COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL PEACE AND JUSTICE WROTE TO GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL PEACE AND JUSTICE WROTE TO GOVERNMENT LEADERS URGING MORE DISCUSSION AND JUSTICE WROTE TO GOVERNMENT LEADERS URGING MORE DISCUSSION AND SCRUTINY.

LEADERS URGING MORE DISCUSSION AND SCRUTINY.

HE SAID TARGETED KILLINGS BY AND SCRUTINY.

HE SAID TARGETED KILLINGS BY DRONES RAISE "SERIOUS MORAL HE SAID TARGETED KILLINGS BY DRONES RAISE "SERIOUS MORAL QUESTIONS."

DRONES RAISE "SERIOUS MORAL QUESTIONS."

IN HIS SPEECH, THE PRESIDENT QUESTIONS."

IN HIS SPEECH, THE PRESIDENT ALSO RENEWED HIS PLEDGE TO TRY IN HIS SPEECH, THE PRESIDENT ALSO RENEWED HIS PLEDGE TO TRY TO CLOSE THE GUANTANAMO BAY ALSO RENEWED HIS PLEDGE TO TRY TO CLOSE THE GUANTANAMO BAY DETENTION CENTER.

TO CLOSE THE GUANTANAMO BAY DETENTION CENTER.

IN RECENT WEEKS, SOME DETENTION CENTER.

IN RECENT WEEKS, SOME FAITH-BASED GROUPS HAVE BEEN IN RECENT WEEKS, SOME FAITH-BASED GROUPS HAVE BEEN RAMPING UP PROTESTS IN SUPPORT FAITH-BASED GROUPS HAVE BEEN RAMPING UP PROTESTS IN SUPPORT OF THE MORE THAN ONE HUNDRED RAMPING UP PROTESTS IN SUPPORT OF THE MORE THAN ONE HUNDRED GUANTANAMO DETAINEES WHO ARE ON OF THE MORE THAN ONE HUNDRED GUANTANAMO DETAINEES WHO ARE ON HUNGER STRIKES.

GUANTANAMO DETAINEES WHO ARE ON HUNGER STRIKES.

>>> FAITH-BASED GROUPS ARE HUNGER STRIKES.

>>> FAITH-BASED GROUPS ARE MOUNTING A MASSIVE MOBILIZATION >>> FAITH-BASED GROUPS ARE MOUNTING A MASSIVE MOBILIZATION TO HELP VICTIMS OF THIS WEEK'S MOUNTING A MASSIVE MOBILIZATION TO HELP VICTIMS OF THIS WEEK'S DEVASTATING TORNADOES.

TO HELP VICTIMS OF THIS WEEK'S DEVASTATING TORNADOES.

AS MANY AS 13,000 HOMES IN DEVASTATING TORNADOES.

AS MANY AS 13,000 HOMES IN OKLAHOMA WERE DESTROYED IN THE AS MANY AS 13,000 HOMES IN OKLAHOMA WERE DESTROYED IN THE STORMS THAT ALSO KILLED OKLAHOMA WERE DESTROYED IN THE STORMS THAT ALSO KILLED 24 PEOPLE.

STORMS THAT ALSO KILLED 24 PEOPLE.

IN THE IMMEDIATE WAKE OF THE 24 PEOPLE.

IN THE IMMEDIATE WAKE OF THE TORNADOES, CLERGY AROUND THE IN THE IMMEDIATE WAKE OF THE TORNADOES, CLERGY AROUND THE WORLD CALLED FOR SPECIAL TORNADOES, CLERGY AROUND THE WORLD CALLED FOR SPECIAL PRAYERS.

WORLD CALLED FOR SPECIAL PRAYERS.

IN THE AFFECTED AREAS, LOCAL PRAYERS.

IN THE AFFECTED AREAS, LOCAL CHURCHES BECAME SHELTERS AND IN THE AFFECTED AREAS, LOCAL CHURCHES BECAME SHELTERS AND RELIEF CENTERS.

CHURCHES BECAME SHELTERS AND RELIEF CENTERS.

CONGREGATIONS FROM AROUND THE RELIEF CENTERS.

CONGREGATIONS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE NOW ORGANIZING TEAMS CONGREGATIONS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY ARE NOW ORGANIZING TEAMS OF VOLUNTEERS TO HELP WITH COUNTRY ARE NOW ORGANIZING TEAMS OF VOLUNTEERS TO HELP WITH CLEANUP.

OF VOLUNTEERS TO HELP WITH CLEANUP.

AND AS LONG TERM NEEDS ARE CLEANUP.

AND AS LONG TERM NEEDS ARE ASSESSED, FAITH-BASED AID GROUPS AND AS LONG TERM NEEDS ARE ASSESSED, FAITH-BASED AID GROUPS ARE SOLICITING DONATIONS.

ASSESSED, FAITH-BASED AID GROUPS ARE SOLICITING DONATIONS.

WE HAVE A LIST OF SOME OF THOSE ARE SOLICITING DONATIONS.

WE HAVE A LIST OF SOME OF THOSE GROUPS ON OUR WEBSITE.

>>> SOME EVANGELICAL GROUPS SAID GROUPS ON OUR WEBSITE.

>>> SOME EVANGELICAL GROUPS SAID THEY WOULD NO LONGER PARTICIPATE >>> SOME EVANGELICAL GROUPS SAID THEY WOULD NO LONGER PARTICIPATE IN THE BOY SCOUTS AFTER THE THEY WOULD NO LONGER PARTICIPATE IN THE BOY SCOUTS AFTER THE ORGANIZATION VOTED THIS WEEK TO IN THE BOY SCOUTS AFTER THE ORGANIZATION VOTED THIS WEEK TO ALLOW OPENLY GAY MEMBERS UNDER ORGANIZATION VOTED THIS WEEK TO ALLOW OPENLY GAY MEMBERS UNDER THE AGE OF 18.

ALLOW OPENLY GAY MEMBERS UNDER THE AGE OF 18.

IN A SECRET BALLOT, 60% OF THOSE THE AGE OF 18.

IN A SECRET BALLOT, 60% OF THOSE VOTING APPROVED THE CHANGE.

GAY SCOUT LEADERS ARE STILL VOTING APPROVED THE CHANGE.

GAY SCOUT LEADERS ARE STILL BANNED.

FAITH GROUPS SPONSOR ABOUT 70% BANNED.

FAITH GROUPS SPONSOR ABOUT 70% OF ALL SCOUT TROOPS.

THE MORMONS, WHO SPONSOR THE OF ALL SCOUT TROOPS.

THE MORMONS, WHO SPONSOR THE MOST AMONG RELIGIOUS GROUPS, DID THE MORMONS, WHO SPONSOR THE MOST AMONG RELIGIOUS GROUPS, DID NOT OPPOSE THE NEW POLICY.

MOST AMONG RELIGIOUS GROUPS, DID NOT OPPOSE THE NEW POLICY.

AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAID IT NOT OPPOSE THE NEW POLICY.

AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAID IT WOULD WEIGH THE EFFECTS OF THE AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAID IT WOULD WEIGH THE EFFECTS OF THE CHANGE.

WOULD WEIGH THE EFFECTS OF THE CHANGE.

OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS SAID THE CHANGE.

OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS SAID THE BOY SCOUTS DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH.

THEY HAD CALLED FOR PERMITTING BOY SCOUTS DIDN'T GO FAR ENOUGH.

THEY HAD CALLED FOR PERMITTING GAY SCOUT LEADERS AS WELL.

>>> ACCORDING TO A NEW POLL, THE GAY SCOUT LEADERS AS WELL.

>>> ACCORDING TO A NEW POLL, THE NUMBER OF AMERICANS WHO BELIEVE >>> ACCORDING TO A NEW POLL, THE NUMBER OF AMERICANS WHO BELIEVE SAME-SEX RELATIONSHIPS ARE NUMBER OF AMERICANS WHO BELIEVE SAME-SEX RELATIONSHIPS ARE MORALLY ACCEPTABLE HAS RISEN TO SAME-SEX RELATIONSHIPS ARE MORALLY ACCEPTABLE HAS RISEN TO 59%, UP FROM 40% IN 2001.

MORALLY ACCEPTABLE HAS RISEN TO 59%, UP FROM 40% IN 2001.

GALLUP'S ANNUAL SURVEY ON 59%, UP FROM 40% IN 2001.

GALLUP'S ANNUAL SURVEY ON DIFFERENT MORAL ATTITUDES ALSO GALLUP'S ANNUAL SURVEY ON DIFFERENT MORAL ATTITUDES ALSO SHOWED A GROWING ACCEPTANCE OF DIFFERENT MORAL ATTITUDES ALSO SHOWED A GROWING ACCEPTANCE OF HAVING A CHILD OUTSIDE OF SHOWED A GROWING ACCEPTANCE OF HAVING A CHILD OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE AND OF SEX BETWEEN HAVING A CHILD OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE AND OF SEX BETWEEN UNMARRIED MEN AND WOMEN.

MARRIAGE AND OF SEX BETWEEN UNMARRIED MEN AND WOMEN.

>>> VERMONT THIS WEEK BECAME THE UNMARRIED MEN AND WOMEN.

>>> VERMONT THIS WEEK BECAME THE FOURTH STATE TO ALLOW PHYSICIAN >>> VERMONT THIS WEEK BECAME THE FOURTH STATE TO ALLOW PHYSICIAN ASSISTED SUICIDE.

FOURTH STATE TO ALLOW PHYSICIAN ASSISTED SUICIDE.

IT IS ALREADY LEGAL IN OREGON, ASSISTED SUICIDE.

IT IS ALREADY LEGAL IN OREGON, WASHINGTON STATE AND MONTANA.

VERMONT'S CATHOLIC BISHOP WASHINGTON STATE AND MONTANA.

VERMONT'S CATHOLIC BISHOP DENOUNCED THE NEW LAW, SAYING IT VERMONT'S CATHOLIC BISHOP DENOUNCED THE NEW LAW, SAYING IT CREATES A "DEATH STATE," WHERE, DENOUNCED THE NEW LAW, SAYING IT CREATES A "DEATH STATE," WHERE, HE SAID, LIFE CAN BE TERMINATED CREATES A "DEATH STATE," WHERE, HE SAID, LIFE CAN BE TERMINATED NOW AT BOTH ITS BEGINNING AND HE SAID, LIFE CAN BE TERMINATED NOW AT BOTH ITS BEGINNING AND ITS END.

NOW AT BOTH ITS BEGINNING AND ITS END.

>>> A PHILADELPHIA COUPLE HAS ITS END.

>>> A PHILADELPHIA COUPLE HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH MURDER IN THE >>> A PHILADELPHIA COUPLE HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH MURDER IN THE DEATH OF THEIR 8-MONTH-OLD SON, BEEN CHARGED WITH MURDER IN THE DEATH OF THEIR 8-MONTH-OLD SON, WHO DIED AFTER THEY CHOSE TO DEATH OF THEIR 8-MONTH-OLD SON, WHO DIED AFTER THEY CHOSE TO PRAY INSTEAD OF SEEKING MEDICAL WHO DIED AFTER THEY CHOSE TO PRAY INSTEAD OF SEEKING MEDICAL TREATMENT FOR THE CHILD.

PRAY INSTEAD OF SEEKING MEDICAL TREATMENT FOR THE CHILD.

THE BABY WAS SUFFERING FROM TREATMENT FOR THE CHILD.

THE BABY WAS SUFFERING FROM PNEUMONIA.

THIS WAS THE COUPLE'S SECOND PNEUMONIA.

THIS WAS THE COUPLE'S SECOND CHILD TO DIE FROM LACK OF THIS WAS THE COUPLE'S SECOND CHILD TO DIE FROM LACK OF MEDICAL CARE.

CHILD TO DIE FROM LACK OF MEDICAL CARE.

THE TWO WERE ALREADY ON MEDICAL CARE.

THE TWO WERE ALREADY ON PROBATION FOR THE 2009 DEATH OF THE TWO WERE ALREADY ON PROBATION FOR THE 2009 DEATH OF THEIR 2-YEAR-OLD, ALSO FROM PROBATION FOR THE 2009 DEATH OF THEIR 2-YEAR-OLD, ALSO FROM PNEUMONIA.

THEIR 2-YEAR-OLD, ALSO FROM PNEUMONIA.

>>> FAITH GROUPS PRAISED THE PNEUMONIA.

>>> FAITH GROUPS PRAISED THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE THIS >>> FAITH GROUPS PRAISED THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE THIS WEEK FOR APPROVING NEW SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE THIS WEEK FOR APPROVING NEW IMMIGRATION LEGISLATION.

WEEK FOR APPROVING NEW IMMIGRATION LEGISLATION.

THE BILL NOW GOES TO THE FULL IMMIGRATION LEGISLATION.

THE BILL NOW GOES TO THE FULL SENATE, WHERE A VOTE IS EXPECTED THE BILL NOW GOES TO THE FULL SENATE, WHERE A VOTE IS EXPECTED NEXT MONTH.

SENATE, WHERE A VOTE IS EXPECTED NEXT MONTH.

EVANGELICALS HAVE BEEN VOCAL IN NEXT MONTH.

EVANGELICALS HAVE BEEN VOCAL IN CALLS FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM AND EVANGELICALS HAVE BEEN VOCAL IN CALLS FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM AND WELCOMED THE BIPARTISAN EFFORT CALLS FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM AND WELCOMED THE BIPARTISAN EFFORT WHICH THEY SAID WILL ADVANCE THE WELCOMED THE BIPARTISAN EFFORT WHICH THEY SAID WILL ADVANCE THE COMMON GOOD.

WHICH THEY SAID WILL ADVANCE THE COMMON GOOD.

THE LEGISLATION DOES NOT INCLUDE COMMON GOOD.

THE LEGISLATION DOES NOT INCLUDE EXPANDING IMMIGRATION RIGHTS FOR THE LEGISLATION DOES NOT INCLUDE EXPANDING IMMIGRATION RIGHTS FOR SAME-SEX COUPLES.

EXPANDING IMMIGRATION RIGHTS FOR SAME-SEX COUPLES.

SOME RELIGIOUS LEADERS WARNED SAME-SEX COUPLES.

SOME RELIGIOUS LEADERS WARNED THEY WOULD PULL THEIR SUPPORT OF SOME RELIGIOUS LEADERS WARNED THEY WOULD PULL THEIR SUPPORT OF THE WHOLE BILL IF THAT PROVISION THEY WOULD PULL THEIR SUPPORT OF THE WHOLE BILL IF THAT PROVISION WERE INCLUDED.

THE WHOLE BILL IF THAT PROVISION WERE INCLUDED.

>>> THE UNITED NATIONS REPORTS WERE INCLUDED.

>>> THE UNITED NATIONS REPORTS THE NUMBER OF SYRIAN REFUGEES >>> THE UNITED NATIONS REPORTS THE NUMBER OF SYRIAN REFUGEES HAS REACHED 1.5 MILLION.

THE NUMBER OF SYRIAN REFUGEES HAS REACHED 1.5 MILLION.

MORE THAN 10,000 PEOPLE ARE HAS REACHED 1.5 MILLION.

MORE THAN 10,000 PEOPLE ARE FLEEING THE VIOLENCE EVERY DAY.

MEANWHILE, THE TWO ORTHODOX FLEEING THE VIOLENCE EVERY DAY.

MEANWHILE, THE TWO ORTHODOX ARCHBISHOPS KIDNAPPED IN SYRIA A MEANWHILE, THE TWO ORTHODOX ARCHBISHOPS KIDNAPPED IN SYRIA A MONTH AGO, REMAIN MISSING.

ARCHBISHOPS KIDNAPPED IN SYRIA A MONTH AGO, REMAIN MISSING.

THE GREEK ORTHODOX AND SYRIAC MONTH AGO, REMAIN MISSING.

THE GREEK ORTHODOX AND SYRIAC ARCHDIOCESES CALLED ONCE AGAIN THE GREEK ORTHODOX AND SYRIAC ARCHDIOCESES CALLED ONCE AGAIN FOR THEIR RELEASE.

ARCHDIOCESES CALLED ONCE AGAIN FOR THEIR RELEASE.

THEY URGED THE INTERNATIONAL FOR THEIR RELEASE.

THEY URGED THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO DO MORE TO HELP THEY URGED THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO DO MORE TO HELP FIND THEM.

COMMUNITY TO DO MORE TO HELP FIND THEM.

>>> AT THE VATICAN THIS WEEK, FIND THEM.

>>> AT THE VATICAN THIS WEEK, POPE FRANCIS EXPRESSED AN OPEN >>> AT THE VATICAN THIS WEEK, POPE FRANCIS EXPRESSED AN OPEN ATTITUDE TOWARDS MEMBERS OF POPE FRANCIS EXPRESSED AN OPEN ATTITUDE TOWARDS MEMBERS OF OTHER FAITHS AND NON-BELIEVERS.

ATTITUDE TOWARDS MEMBERS OF OTHER FAITHS AND NON-BELIEVERS.

THE POPE SAID ALL PEOPLE, OTHER FAITHS AND NON-BELIEVERS.

THE POPE SAID ALL PEOPLE, INCLUDING ATHEISTS, ARE CAPABLE THE POPE SAID ALL PEOPLE, INCLUDING ATHEISTS, ARE CAPABLE OF GOOD.

INCLUDING ATHEISTS, ARE CAPABLE OF GOOD.

HE TOLD CATHOLICS TO ACCEPT OF GOOD.

HE TOLD CATHOLICS TO ACCEPT THOSE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT BELIEFS HE TOLD CATHOLICS TO ACCEPT THOSE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT BELIEFS AND TO WORK WITH THEM.

THOSE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT BELIEFS AND TO WORK WITH THEM.

THE POPE WARNED THAT DEMONIZING AND TO WORK WITH THEM.

THE POPE WARNED THAT DEMONIZING OTHERS CAN LEAD TO KILLING IN THE POPE WARNED THAT DEMONIZING OTHERS CAN LEAD TO KILLING IN THE NAME OF GOD.

OTHERS CAN LEAD TO KILLING IN THE NAME OF GOD.

>>> REMAINING RELIGIOUS IN A THE NAME OF GOD.

>>> REMAINING RELIGIOUS IN A MOSTLY-SECULAR SOCIETY CAN BE A >>> REMAINING RELIGIOUS IN A MOSTLY-SECULAR SOCIETY CAN BE A PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE EVERYWHERE, MOSTLY-SECULAR SOCIETY CAN BE A PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE EVERYWHERE, AMONG THEM BUDDHISTS IN PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE EVERYWHERE, AMONG THEM BUDDHISTS IN THAILAND, EVEN THOUGH ALMOST ALL AMONG THEM BUDDHISTS IN THAILAND, EVEN THOUGH ALMOST ALL THAIS ARE FORMALLY BUDDHIST.

THAILAND, EVEN THOUGH ALMOST ALL THAIS ARE FORMALLY BUDDHIST.

WE HAVE A LUCKY SEVERSON STORY THAIS ARE FORMALLY BUDDHIST.

WE HAVE A LUCKY SEVERSON STORY TODAY FROM THE THAI CITY OF WE HAVE A LUCKY SEVERSON STORY TODAY FROM THE THAI CITY OF CHIANG MAI ON THE BATTLE THERE TODAY FROM THE THAI CITY OF CHIANG MAI ON THE BATTLE THERE BETWEEN RELIGION AND CHIANG MAI ON THE BATTLE THERE BETWEEN RELIGION AND MATERIALISM.

BETWEEN RELIGION AND MATERIALISM.

>> Reporter: THERE'S A STRUGGLE MATERIALISM.

>> Reporter: THERE'S A STRUGGLE GOING ON INSIDE THAILAND.

IT'S BETWEEN TWO POWERFUL GOING ON INSIDE THAILAND.

IT'S BETWEEN TWO POWERFUL INFLUENCES.

ONE SIDE CAN BE FOUND IN PLACES INFLUENCES.

ONE SIDE CAN BE FOUND IN PLACES LIKE THIS, THE OTHER IN CROWDED ONE SIDE CAN BE FOUND IN PLACES LIKE THIS, THE OTHER IN CROWDED SPACES LIKE THIS.

LIKE THIS, THE OTHER IN CROWDED SPACES LIKE THIS.

FOR NOW IT SEEMS THAT ONE SIDE SPACES LIKE THIS.

FOR NOW IT SEEMS THAT ONE SIDE IS FALLING BEHIND.

THIS IS PROFESSOR JOHN BUTT, IS FALLING BEHIND.

THIS IS PROFESSOR JOHN BUTT, SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE INSTITUTE THIS IS PROFESSOR JOHN BUTT, SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE INSTITUTE OF RELIGION AT PAYAP UNIVERSITY SENIOR ADVISOR TO THE INSTITUTE OF RELIGION AT PAYAP UNIVERSITY IN CHIANG MAI.

OF RELIGION AT PAYAP UNIVERSITY IN CHIANG MAI.

>> IT'S A REAL CLASH WITH IN CHIANG MAI.

>> IT'S A REAL CLASH WITH MODERNITY, WITH SOCIAL CHANGE, >> IT'S A REAL CLASH WITH MODERNITY, WITH SOCIAL CHANGE, AND IT'S BEEN VERY INTENSE.

MODERNITY, WITH SOCIAL CHANGE, AND IT'S BEEN VERY INTENSE.

THE CHANGES THAT TOOK PLACE IN AND IT'S BEEN VERY INTENSE.

THE CHANGES THAT TOOK PLACE IN AMERICA AND IN EUROPE HAVE BEEN THE CHANGES THAT TOOK PLACE IN AMERICA AND IN EUROPE HAVE BEEN EXTENDED OVER A COUPLE OF AMERICA AND IN EUROPE HAVE BEEN EXTENDED OVER A COUPLE OF CENTURIES, HERE IT'S BEEN A EXTENDED OVER A COUPLE OF CENTURIES, HERE IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF DECADES.

CENTURIES, HERE IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF DECADES.

>> Reporter: THIS IS A COUNTRY COUPLE OF DECADES.

>> Reporter: THIS IS A COUNTRY WHERE ALMOST 95% OF THE >> Reporter: THIS IS A COUNTRY WHERE ALMOST 95% OF THE POPULATION IS BUDDHIST, WHERE WHERE ALMOST 95% OF THE POPULATION IS BUDDHIST, WHERE THE CONSTITUTION MANDATES THAT POPULATION IS BUDDHIST, WHERE THE CONSTITUTION MANDATES THAT THE KING BE A BUDDHIST, AND THE CONSTITUTION MANDATES THAT THE KING BE A BUDDHIST, AND WHERE THERE ARE TEMPLES ALMOST THE KING BE A BUDDHIST, AND WHERE THERE ARE TEMPLES ALMOST EVERYWHERE.

WHERE THERE ARE TEMPLES ALMOST EVERYWHERE.

>> I THINK PROBABLY THIS IS ONE EVERYWHERE.

>> I THINK PROBABLY THIS IS ONE OF THE CENTRAL IF NOT THE >> I THINK PROBABLY THIS IS ONE OF THE CENTRAL IF NOT THE CENTRAL BUDDHIST COUNTRY IN THE OF THE CENTRAL IF NOT THE CENTRAL BUDDHIST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

CENTRAL BUDDHIST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

>> Reporter: IT'S A COUNTRY THAT WORLD.

>> Reporter: IT'S A COUNTRY THAT HAS RECENTLY SEEN A REMARKABLE >> Reporter: IT'S A COUNTRY THAT HAS RECENTLY SEEN A REMARKABLE RISE IN ECONOMIC PROSPERITY.

HAS RECENTLY SEEN A REMARKABLE RISE IN ECONOMIC PROSPERITY.

THERE WAS A TIME NOT THAT LONG RISE IN ECONOMIC PROSPERITY.

THERE WAS A TIME NOT THAT LONG AGO WHEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE WAS A TIME NOT THAT LONG AGO WHEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT TO FIND A MALL, LET AGO WHEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT TO FIND A MALL, LET ALONE ONE SO CROWDED.

DIFFICULT TO FIND A MALL, LET ALONE ONE SO CROWDED.

THE ROADS WOULD HAVE BEEN ALONE ONE SO CROWDED.

THE ROADS WOULD HAVE BEEN CLOGGED WITH MOTOR SCOOTERS, AND THE ROADS WOULD HAVE BEEN CLOGGED WITH MOTOR SCOOTERS, AND THE FANCY CARS BELONGED ONLY TO CLOGGED WITH MOTOR SCOOTERS, AND THE FANCY CARS BELONGED ONLY TO DIPLOMATS AND THE VERY RICH.

THE FANCY CARS BELONGED ONLY TO DIPLOMATS AND THE VERY RICH.

NOT ANYMORE.

DIPLOMATS AND THE VERY RICH.

NOT ANYMORE.

THE THAIS HAVE EMBRACED NOT ANYMORE.

THE THAIS HAVE EMBRACED CONSUMERISM WITH GUSTO.

THIS IS AN JANG SANG, PROFESSOR CONSUMERISM WITH GUSTO.

THIS IS AN JANG SANG, PROFESSOR EMERITUS AT CHIANG MAI THIS IS AN JANG SANG, PROFESSOR EMERITUS AT CHIANG MAI UNIVERSITY.

EMERITUS AT CHIANG MAI UNIVERSITY.

>> SOME OF THEM MAY BE UNIVERSITY.

>> SOME OF THEM MAY BE INTERESTED IN MATERIALISM, >> SOME OF THEM MAY BE INTERESTED IN MATERIALISM, CONSUMERISM, BUT DEEP DOWN IN INTERESTED IN MATERIALISM, CONSUMERISM, BUT DEEP DOWN IN THEIR HEART THEY ARE STILL CONSUMERISM, BUT DEEP DOWN IN THEIR HEART THEY ARE STILL BUDDHISTS.

THEIR HEART THEY ARE STILL BUDDHISTS.

>> Reporter: BUT HE AGREES BUDDHISTS.

>> Reporter: BUT HE AGREES THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THE >> Reporter: BUT HE AGREES THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THE TEMPLES, ALSO KNOWN AS WATS, AS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THE TEMPLES, ALSO KNOWN AS WATS, AS MUCH AS THEY ONCE DID.

TEMPLES, ALSO KNOWN AS WATS, AS MUCH AS THEY ONCE DID.

>> IN THE PAST THE WAT WAS NOT MUCH AS THEY ONCE DID.

>> IN THE PAST THE WAT WAS NOT JUST THE RELIGIOUS CENTER, IT >> IN THE PAST THE WAT WAS NOT JUST THE RELIGIOUS CENTER, IT WAS THE LIFE CENTER OF THE JUST THE RELIGIOUS CENTER, IT WAS THE LIFE CENTER OF THE VILLAGE COMMUNITY.

WAS THE LIFE CENTER OF THE VILLAGE COMMUNITY.

THE SOCIAL LIFE TOOK PLACE VILLAGE COMMUNITY.

THE SOCIAL LIFE TOOK PLACE THERE, COUNSELING, RESPECT, THE SOCIAL LIFE TOOK PLACE THERE, COUNSELING, RESPECT, AUTHORITY FOR THE MONKS.

THERE, COUNSELING, RESPECT, AUTHORITY FOR THE MONKS.

THAT'S, I THINK, DECREASED AUTHORITY FOR THE MONKS.

THAT'S, I THINK, DECREASED TREMENDOUSLY.

>> Reporter: AND NOT AS MANY ARE TREMENDOUSLY.

>> Reporter: AND NOT AS MANY ARE GOING TO THE BUDDHA TO OFFER >> Reporter: AND NOT AS MANY ARE GOING TO THE BUDDHA TO OFFER THEIR PRAYERFUL GOOD WISHES FOR GOING TO THE BUDDHA TO OFFER THEIR PRAYERFUL GOOD WISHES FOR ALL LIVING THINGS.

THEIR PRAYERFUL GOOD WISHES FOR ALL LIVING THINGS.

SOME ARE GIVING MORE IN ALL LIVING THINGS.

SOME ARE GIVING MORE IN DONATIONS, BUT PHRA BOONCHUEY, SOME ARE GIVING MORE IN DONATIONS, BUT PHRA BOONCHUEY, THE ASSISTANT ABBOT AT THIS DONATIONS, BUT PHRA BOONCHUEY, THE ASSISTANT ABBOT AT THIS LARGE TEMPLE, SAYS TOO MANY ARE THE ASSISTANT ABBOT AT THIS LARGE TEMPLE, SAYS TOO MANY ARE JUST DONATING TO BUY GOOD KARMA.

LARGE TEMPLE, SAYS TOO MANY ARE JUST DONATING TO BUY GOOD KARMA.

>> BECAUSE NOW THEY ARE COMING JUST DONATING TO BUY GOOD KARMA.

>> BECAUSE NOW THEY ARE COMING TO THE TEMPLE JUST ONLY TO OFFER >> BECAUSE NOW THEY ARE COMING TO THE TEMPLE JUST ONLY TO OFFER THE OFFERING IN ORDER TO PLEASE, TO THE TEMPLE JUST ONLY TO OFFER THE OFFERING IN ORDER TO PLEASE, YOU KNOW, THEIR LIFE FOR THEIR THE OFFERING IN ORDER TO PLEASE, YOU KNOW, THEIR LIFE FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT.

YOU KNOW, THEIR LIFE FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT.

>> Reporter: PHRA BOONCHUEY IS OWN BENEFIT.

>> Reporter: PHRA BOONCHUEY IS ON A MISSION TO GET THAI >> Reporter: PHRA BOONCHUEY IS ON A MISSION TO GET THAI BUDDHISM BACK ON TRACK.

ON A MISSION TO GET THAI BUDDHISM BACK ON TRACK.

>> AND SO WE HAVE TO DO MANY BUDDHISM BACK ON TRACK.

>> AND SO WE HAVE TO DO MANY THINGS, YOU KNOW, TO BRING >> AND SO WE HAVE TO DO MANY THINGS, YOU KNOW, TO BRING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, TO BRING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE RELIGION.

PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE RELIGION.

>> Reporter: THAT WOULD INCLUDE RELIGION.

>> Reporter: THAT WOULD INCLUDE BRINGING BACK THE MONKS >> Reporter: THAT WOULD INCLUDE BRINGING BACK THE MONKS THEMSELVES WHO HAVE BEEN BRINGING BACK THE MONKS THEMSELVES WHO HAVE BEEN DISAPPEARING.

THEMSELVES WHO HAVE BEEN DISAPPEARING.

IN THE PAST, ALMOST EVERY YOUNG DISAPPEARING.

IN THE PAST, ALMOST EVERY YOUNG MAN WOULD BECOME A MONK, LEADING IN THE PAST, ALMOST EVERY YOUNG MAN WOULD BECOME A MONK, LEADING A MONASTIC LIFE, SOME FOR A FEW MAN WOULD BECOME A MONK, LEADING A MONASTIC LIFE, SOME FOR A FEW MONTHS, SOME FOR A LIFETIME.

A MONASTIC LIFE, SOME FOR A FEW MONTHS, SOME FOR A LIFETIME.

BUT IN THE LAST 30 YEARS IT IS MONTHS, SOME FOR A LIFETIME.

BUT IN THE LAST 30 YEARS IT IS ESTIMATED THAT THE NUMBER OF BUT IN THE LAST 30 YEARS IT IS ESTIMATED THAT THE NUMBER OF MONKS HAS FALLEN BY MORE THAN ESTIMATED THAT THE NUMBER OF MONKS HAS FALLEN BY MORE THAN HALF.

MONKS HAS FALLEN BY MORE THAN HALF.

MR. VINAI, OUR TUK-TUK DRIVER, HALF.

MR. VINAI, OUR TUK-TUK DRIVER, SERVED AS A MONK FOR OVER A YEAR MR. VINAI, OUR TUK-TUK DRIVER, SERVED AS A MONK FOR OVER A YEAR AS A YOUNG MAN.

SERVED AS A MONK FOR OVER A YEAR AS A YOUNG MAN.

DID YOU LIKE BEING A MONK?

AS A YOUNG MAN.

DID YOU LIKE BEING A MONK?

>> YES, YES.

DID YOU LIKE BEING A MONK?

>> YES, YES.

>> Reporter: DO YOU THINK EVERY >> YES, YES.

>> Reporter: DO YOU THINK EVERY YOUNG MAN SHOULD BE A MONK?

>> NO, NO.

YOUNG MAN SHOULD BE A MONK?

>> NO, NO.

>> Reporter: HE SAYS NOT EVERY >> NO, NO.

>> Reporter: HE SAYS NOT EVERY YOUNG MAN SHOULD BE A MONK >> Reporter: HE SAYS NOT EVERY YOUNG MAN SHOULD BE A MONK BECAUSE SOME CARE MORE ABOUT YOUNG MAN SHOULD BE A MONK BECAUSE SOME CARE MORE ABOUT SHOPPING.

BECAUSE SOME CARE MORE ABOUT SHOPPING.

HOW MANY BOYS DO YOU HAVE?

SHOPPING.

HOW MANY BOYS DO YOU HAVE?

>> I HAVE TWO.

HOW MANY BOYS DO YOU HAVE?

>> I HAVE TWO.

>> Reporter: WERE THEY MONKS?

>> I HAVE TWO.

>> Reporter: WERE THEY MONKS?

>> YES.

>> Reporter: WERE THEY MONKS?

>> YES.

>> Reporter: HIS LAST BOY SERVED >> YES.

>> Reporter: HIS LAST BOY SERVED ONLY 15 DAYS.

IT'S ABOUT 5:30 IN THE MORNING, ONLY 15 DAYS.

IT'S ABOUT 5:30 IN THE MORNING, AND THE FIRST MONKS ARE SHOWING IT'S ABOUT 5:30 IN THE MORNING, AND THE FIRST MONKS ARE SHOWING UP TO COLLECT ALMS, THEIR FOOD AND THE FIRST MONKS ARE SHOWING UP TO COLLECT ALMS, THEIR FOOD FOR THE WHOLE DAY.

UP TO COLLECT ALMS, THEIR FOOD FOR THE WHOLE DAY.

SOMETIMES THERE'S ONLY ONE MEAL FOR THE WHOLE DAY.

SOMETIMES THERE'S ONLY ONE MEAL A DAY, OFTEN FOLLOWED BY SOME SOMETIMES THERE'S ONLY ONE MEAL A DAY, OFTEN FOLLOWED BY SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY SERVICE, AND A DAY, OFTEN FOLLOWED BY SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY SERVICE, AND THEN THERE ARE THE HOURS OF SORT OF COMMUNITY SERVICE, AND THEN THERE ARE THE HOURS OF CHANTING, STUDY, AND MEDITATION.

THEN THERE ARE THE HOURS OF CHANTING, STUDY, AND MEDITATION.

IT'S NOT AN EASY LIFE.

CHANTING, STUDY, AND MEDITATION.

IT'S NOT AN EASY LIFE.

PROFESSOR BUTT SAYS HE ONCE IT'S NOT AN EASY LIFE.

PROFESSOR BUTT SAYS HE ONCE ASKED THE YOUNG MEN IN HIS CLASS PROFESSOR BUTT SAYS HE ONCE ASKED THE YOUNG MEN IN HIS CLASS HOW MANY HAD BEEN ORDAINED.

ASKED THE YOUNG MEN IN HIS CLASS HOW MANY HAD BEEN ORDAINED.

>> IF I HAD ASKED THAT QUESTION HOW MANY HAD BEEN ORDAINED.

>> IF I HAD ASKED THAT QUESTION A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, I WOULD >> IF I HAD ASKED THAT QUESTION A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN CLOSE TO A 100% YES, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO, I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN CLOSE TO A 100% YES, THAT THEY HAD ORDAINED AS A HAVE GOTTEN CLOSE TO A 100% YES, THAT THEY HAD ORDAINED AS A NOVICE, MAYBE A SHORT PERIOD OF THAT THEY HAD ORDAINED AS A NOVICE, MAYBE A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT THEY HAD DONE SO.

NOVICE, MAYBE A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT THEY HAD DONE SO.

I WENT FIVE YEARS BEFORE I GOT TIME, BUT THEY HAD DONE SO.

I WENT FIVE YEARS BEFORE I GOT ONE POSITIVE RESPONSE, WHO HAD I WENT FIVE YEARS BEFORE I GOT ONE POSITIVE RESPONSE, WHO HAD ORDAINED.

ONE POSITIVE RESPONSE, WHO HAD ORDAINED.

>> Reporter: ONE REASON FOR THAT ORDAINED.

>> Reporter: ONE REASON FOR THAT MIGHT BE THE THAIS HAVE BEEN >> Reporter: ONE REASON FOR THAT MIGHT BE THE THAIS HAVE BEEN PRACTICING FAMILY PLANNING, AND MIGHT BE THE THAIS HAVE BEEN PRACTICING FAMILY PLANNING, AND IF THERE IS ONLY ONE BOY IN THE PRACTICING FAMILY PLANNING, AND IF THERE IS ONLY ONE BOY IN THE FAMILY, AND THE CHOICE IS IF THERE IS ONLY ONE BOY IN THE FAMILY, AND THE CHOICE IS SCHOOL, MAKING MONEY, OR FAMILY, AND THE CHOICE IS SCHOOL, MAKING MONEY, OR ORDINATION.

SCHOOL, MAKING MONEY, OR ORDINATION.

>> YOU MAY NOT WANT HIM TO BE A ORDINATION.

>> YOU MAY NOT WANT HIM TO BE A NOVICE OR TO GET ORDINATION.

>> Reporter: A BIG FACTOR IS NOVICE OR TO GET ORDINATION.

>> Reporter: A BIG FACTOR IS THAT IN THE PAST MANY BOYS >> Reporter: A BIG FACTOR IS THAT IN THE PAST MANY BOYS BECAME MONKS TO GET A FREE THAT IN THE PAST MANY BOYS BECAME MONKS TO GET A FREE EDUCATION AT THE TEMPLE.

BECAME MONKS TO GET A FREE EDUCATION AT THE TEMPLE.

NOW THAILAND OFFERS 12 YEARS OF EDUCATION AT THE TEMPLE.

NOW THAILAND OFFERS 12 YEARS OF FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND FAR NOW THAILAND OFFERS 12 YEARS OF FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND FAR MORE ARE ATTENDING SECULAR FREE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND FAR MORE ARE ATTENDING SECULAR SCHOOLS.

MORE ARE ATTENDING SECULAR SCHOOLS.

SCANDALS HAVE ALSO CONTRIBUTED SCHOOLS.

SCANDALS HAVE ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO THE DIMINISHING NUMBERS OF SCANDALS HAVE ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO THE DIMINISHING NUMBERS OF MONKS, SCANDALS REVEALED BY TO THE DIMINISHING NUMBERS OF MONKS, SCANDALS REVEALED BY SOCIAL MEDIA.

MONKS, SCANDALS REVEALED BY SOCIAL MEDIA.

PICTURES OF MONKS AT PARTIES SOCIAL MEDIA.

PICTURES OF MONKS AT PARTIES WITH WOMEN, DRINKING ALCOHOL, PICTURES OF MONKS AT PARTIES WITH WOMEN, DRINKING ALCOHOL, WATCHING PORN, DRIVING EXPENSIVE WITH WOMEN, DRINKING ALCOHOL, WATCHING PORN, DRIVING EXPENSIVE FANCY CARS.

WATCHING PORN, DRIVING EXPENSIVE FANCY CARS.

THINGS MONKS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO FANCY CARS.

THINGS MONKS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.

JUSTIN McDANIEL, THE CHAIRMAN OF BE DOING.

JUSTIN McDANIEL, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE DEPARTMENT OF RELIGIOUS JUSTIN McDANIEL, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE DEPARTMENT OF RELIGIOUS STUDIES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF RELIGIOUS STUDIES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA, WAS ONCE A MONK STUDIES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA, WAS ONCE A MONK HIMSELF IN THAILAND.

PENNSYLVANIA, WAS ONCE A MONK HIMSELF IN THAILAND.

>> IT HAS A BIG IMPACT IN THE HIMSELF IN THAILAND.

>> IT HAS A BIG IMPACT IN THE PRESS.

I THINK IT ALSO HAS A BIG IMPACT PRESS.

I THINK IT ALSO HAS A BIG IMPACT THAT IF SOMEBODY WAS ON THE I THINK IT ALSO HAS A BIG IMPACT THAT IF SOMEBODY WAS ON THE FENCE ABOUT BEING A MONK OR NUN, THAT IF SOMEBODY WAS ON THE FENCE ABOUT BEING A MONK OR NUN, THAT THIS IS KIND OF RELATIVELY FENCE ABOUT BEING A MONK OR NUN, THAT THIS IS KIND OF RELATIVELY A LEGITIMATE EXCUSE YOU COULD THAT THIS IS KIND OF RELATIVELY A LEGITIMATE EXCUSE YOU COULD GIVE TO YOUR MOM FOR NOT DOING A LEGITIMATE EXCUSE YOU COULD GIVE TO YOUR MOM FOR NOT DOING IT.

GIVE TO YOUR MOM FOR NOT DOING IT.

WELL, LOOK AT THE WAY MONKS ACT.

IT.

WELL, LOOK AT THE WAY MONKS ACT.

>> Reporter: PROFESSOR McDANIEL WELL, LOOK AT THE WAY MONKS ACT.

>> Reporter: PROFESSOR McDANIEL ARGUES THAT THAI BUDDHISM ITSELF >> Reporter: PROFESSOR McDANIEL ARGUES THAT THAI BUDDHISM ITSELF IS NOT IN DECLINE, THAT IT IS ARGUES THAT THAI BUDDHISM ITSELF IS NOT IN DECLINE, THAT IT IS GAINING CONSIDERABLE TRACTION IN IS NOT IN DECLINE, THAT IT IS GAINING CONSIDERABLE TRACTION IN THE WESTERN WORLD, AND THAT THE GAINING CONSIDERABLE TRACTION IN THE WESTERN WORLD, AND THAT THE THAI PEOPLE THEMSELVES ARE THE WESTERN WORLD, AND THAT THE THAI PEOPLE THEMSELVES ARE DEBATING IT MORE, WHICH HE SAYS THAI PEOPLE THEMSELVES ARE DEBATING IT MORE, WHICH HE SAYS IS A GOOD THING.

DEBATING IT MORE, WHICH HE SAYS IS A GOOD THING.

HE'S SKEPTICAL THAT THERE REALLY IS A GOOD THING.

HE'S SKEPTICAL THAT THERE REALLY IS A CRISIS.

>> I'VE NEVER HEARD ANY IS A CRISIS.

>> I'VE NEVER HEARD ANY PROFESSIONAL RELIGIOUS PERSON, >> I'VE NEVER HEARD ANY PROFESSIONAL RELIGIOUS PERSON, RABBI, MONK, PRIEST, IMAM EVER PROFESSIONAL RELIGIOUS PERSON, RABBI, MONK, PRIEST, IMAM EVER SAY EVERYTHING IS FINE.

RABBI, MONK, PRIEST, IMAM EVER SAY EVERYTHING IS FINE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS WE'RE IN A SAY EVERYTHING IS FINE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS WE'RE IN A STATE OF CRISIS, AND WE'RE IN A YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS WE'RE IN A STATE OF CRISIS, AND WE'RE IN A STATE OF CRISIS SO YOU SHOULD BE STATE OF CRISIS, AND WE'RE IN A STATE OF CRISIS SO YOU SHOULD BE COMING MORE, AND YOU SHOULD BE STATE OF CRISIS SO YOU SHOULD BE COMING MORE, AND YOU SHOULD BE GIVING MORE MONEY, YOU SHOULD BE COMING MORE, AND YOU SHOULD BE GIVING MORE MONEY, YOU SHOULD BE BECOMING A MONK OR YOU SHOULD BE GIVING MORE MONEY, YOU SHOULD BE BECOMING A MONK OR YOU SHOULD BE READING MORE BOOKS.

BECOMING A MONK OR YOU SHOULD BE READING MORE BOOKS.

>> Reporter: HE WOULD FIND SOME READING MORE BOOKS.

>> Reporter: HE WOULD FIND SOME DISAGREEMENT HERE IN CHIANG MAI.

PHRA BOONCHUEY, FOR INSTANCE, DISAGREEMENT HERE IN CHIANG MAI.

PHRA BOONCHUEY, FOR INSTANCE, THINKS MONKS NEED TO BE TAUGHT PHRA BOONCHUEY, FOR INSTANCE, THINKS MONKS NEED TO BE TAUGHT MORE CRITICAL THINKING INSTEAD THINKS MONKS NEED TO BE TAUGHT MORE CRITICAL THINKING INSTEAD OF JUST MEMORIZATION, AND THAT MORE CRITICAL THINKING INSTEAD OF JUST MEMORIZATION, AND THAT THE BENEFITS OF MEDITATION NEED OF JUST MEMORIZATION, AND THAT THE BENEFITS OF MEDITATION NEED TO BE EMPHASIZED MORE.

THE BENEFITS OF MEDITATION NEED TO BE EMPHASIZED MORE.

HE WANTS BUDDHISTS TO GET BACK TO BE EMPHASIZED MORE.

HE WANTS BUDDHISTS TO GET BACK TO THEIR BASIC PRECEPTS, SUCH AS HE WANTS BUDDHISTS TO GET BACK TO THEIR BASIC PRECEPTS, SUCH AS ABSTAINING FROM KILLING, TO THEIR BASIC PRECEPTS, SUCH AS ABSTAINING FROM KILLING, STEALING, SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, ABSTAINING FROM KILLING, STEALING, SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, LYING, AND DRINKING ALCOHOL.

STEALING, SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, LYING, AND DRINKING ALCOHOL.

HE WOULD ALSO COUNSEL THEM TO LYING, AND DRINKING ALCOHOL.

HE WOULD ALSO COUNSEL THEM TO CONSUME ONLY WHAT THEY NEED AND HE WOULD ALSO COUNSEL THEM TO CONSUME ONLY WHAT THEY NEED AND TO AVOID THE TRAPPINGS OF CONSUME ONLY WHAT THEY NEED AND TO AVOID THE TRAPPINGS OF MATERIALISM.

TO AVOID THE TRAPPINGS OF MATERIALISM.

>> THINK BEFORE YOU CONSUME.

MATERIALISM.

>> THINK BEFORE YOU CONSUME.

>> Reporter: THERE IS A BRANCH >> THINK BEFORE YOU CONSUME.

>> Reporter: THERE IS A BRANCH OF BUDDHISM THAT'S FLOURISHING.

IT'S CALLED DHAMMAKAYA.

OF BUDDHISM THAT'S FLOURISHING.

IT'S CALLED DHAMMAKAYA.

ONE WAY TO EXPLAIN DHAMMAKAYA IS IT'S CALLED DHAMMAKAYA.

ONE WAY TO EXPLAIN DHAMMAKAYA IS THAT IT IS TO BUDDHISM WHAT THE ONE WAY TO EXPLAIN DHAMMAKAYA IS THAT IT IS TO BUDDHISM WHAT THE PROSPERITY GOSPEL IS TO THAT IT IS TO BUDDHISM WHAT THE PROSPERITY GOSPEL IS TO CHRISTIANITY.

PROSPERITY GOSPEL IS TO CHRISTIANITY.

IN OTHER WORDS THE TRADITIONAL CHRISTIANITY.

IN OTHER WORDS THE TRADITIONAL VALUE OF SELFLESSNESS HAS BEEN IN OTHER WORDS THE TRADITIONAL VALUE OF SELFLESSNESS HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH "BIGGER IS VALUE OF SELFLESSNESS HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH "BIGGER IS BETTER."

REPLACED WITH "BIGGER IS BETTER."

THE MORE YOU GIVE, THE MORE YOU BETTER."

THE MORE YOU GIVE, THE MORE YOU GET.

PROFESSOR BUTT SAYS IN SOME WAYS GET.

PROFESSOR BUTT SAYS IN SOME WAYS CONSUMERISM IS BECOMING A PROFESSOR BUTT SAYS IN SOME WAYS CONSUMERISM IS BECOMING A RELIGION OF ITS OWN.

CONSUMERISM IS BECOMING A RELIGION OF ITS OWN.

THE OLD THING WAS "I THINK, RELIGION OF ITS OWN.

THE OLD THING WAS "I THINK, THEREFORE I AM."

NOW IT'S "I BUY, THEREFORE I THEREFORE I AM."

NOW IT'S "I BUY, THEREFORE I AM."

>> I DON'T SEE CONSUMERISM AS AM."

>> I DON'T SEE CONSUMERISM AS SOMEHOW A-RELIGIOUS.

AND I DON'T SEE MODERNITY AS SOMEHOW A-RELIGIOUS.

I THINK THAT THERE'S MANY WAYS SOMEHOW A-RELIGIOUS.

I THINK THAT THERE'S MANY WAYS OF BEING RELIGIOUS.

I THINK WHEN WE SAY THAT OF BEING RELIGIOUS.

I THINK WHEN WE SAY THAT CONSUMERISM OR MODERNITY IS I THINK WHEN WE SAY THAT CONSUMERISM OR MODERNITY IS SOMEHOW A SIGN OF SECULARISM, I CONSUMERISM OR MODERNITY IS SOMEHOW A SIGN OF SECULARISM, I THINK THAT'S A VERY PARTICULAR SOMEHOW A SIGN OF SECULARISM, I THINK THAT'S A VERY PARTICULAR WAY OF LOOKING AT RELIGION.

THINK THAT'S A VERY PARTICULAR WAY OF LOOKING AT RELIGION.

>> WE'RE LIVING IN A NEW WORLD, WAY OF LOOKING AT RELIGION.

>> WE'RE LIVING IN A NEW WORLD, AND RELIGION IS A RESPONSE TO >> WE'RE LIVING IN A NEW WORLD, AND RELIGION IS A RESPONSE TO LIFE, TO WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AND RELIGION IS A RESPONSE TO LIFE, TO WHAT IT MEANS TO BE HUMAN, AND WHEN THAT CHANGES, AS LIFE, TO WHAT IT MEANS TO BE HUMAN, AND WHEN THAT CHANGES, AS I SAID EARLIER, RELIGION HAS TO HUMAN, AND WHEN THAT CHANGES, AS I SAID EARLIER, RELIGION HAS TO CHANGE TOO OR IT DIES.

I SAID EARLIER, RELIGION HAS TO CHANGE TOO OR IT DIES.

IT'S PUT IN A MUSEUM.

CHANGE TOO OR IT DIES.

IT'S PUT IN A MUSEUM.

>> Reporter: NO ONE IS IT'S PUT IN A MUSEUM.

>> Reporter: NO ONE IS SUGGESTING THAI BUDDHISM IS >> Reporter: NO ONE IS SUGGESTING THAI BUDDHISM IS HEADING FOR A MUSEUM, BUT MANY SUGGESTING THAI BUDDHISM IS HEADING FOR A MUSEUM, BUT MANY AGREE THAT IT MIGHT NEED SOME HEADING FOR A MUSEUM, BUT MANY AGREE THAT IT MIGHT NEED SOME NEW PACKAGING.

AGREE THAT IT MIGHT NEED SOME NEW PACKAGING.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEW PACKAGING.

FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M LUCKY SEVERSON FOR "RELIGION AND ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY," I'M LUCKY SEVERSON IN CHIANG MAI, THAILAND.

NEWSWEEKLY," I'M LUCKY SEVERSON IN CHIANG MAI, THAILAND.

>>> A THAI BUDDHIST ONCE IN CHIANG MAI, THAILAND.

>>> A THAI BUDDHIST ONCE EXPLAINED HIS EARLY-MORNING >>> A THAI BUDDHIST ONCE EXPLAINED HIS EARLY-MORNING SOLICITATIONS THIS WAY -- IT'S EXPLAINED HIS EARLY-MORNING SOLICITATIONS THIS WAY -- IT'S NOT BEGGING, HE SAID, IT'S A SOLICITATIONS THIS WAY -- IT'S NOT BEGGING, HE SAID, IT'S A COURTESY.

NOT BEGGING, HE SAID, IT'S A COURTESY.

GIVING OTHERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COURTESY.

GIVING OTHERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE.

>> GRAMMY-AWARD WINNING ARTIST >> GRAMMY-AWARD WINNING ARTIST BOBBY McFERRIN IS PROBABLY BEST >> GRAMMY-AWARD WINNING ARTIST BOBBY McFERRIN IS PROBABLY BEST KNOWN FOR HIS 1980s FEEL-GOOD BOBBY McFERRIN IS PROBABLY BEST KNOWN FOR HIS 1980s FEEL-GOOD HIT "DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY."

KNOWN FOR HIS 1980s FEEL-GOOD HIT "DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY."

BUT HE'S ALSO A COMPOSER AND A HIT "DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY."

BUT HE'S ALSO A COMPOSER AND A CONDUCTOR WHO HAS RELEASED BUT HE'S ALSO A COMPOSER AND A CONDUCTOR WHO HAS RELEASED ALBUMS IN A VARIETY OF GENRES.

CONDUCTOR WHO HAS RELEASED ALBUMS IN A VARIETY OF GENRES.

NOW HE'S DELVING INTO RELIGIOUS ALBUMS IN A VARIETY OF GENRES.

NOW HE'S DELVING INTO RELIGIOUS MUSIC WITH A BRAND-NEW PROJECT, NOW HE'S DELVING INTO RELIGIOUS MUSIC WITH A BRAND-NEW PROJECT, "SPIRITYOUALL."

MUSIC WITH A BRAND-NEW PROJECT, "SPIRITYOUALL."

IT INCLUDES TRADITIONAL AFRICAN- "SPIRITYOUALL."

IT INCLUDES TRADITIONAL AFRICAN- AMERICAN SPIRITUALS AND ORIGINAL IT INCLUDES TRADITIONAL AFRICAN- AMERICAN SPIRITUALS AND ORIGINAL DEVOTIONAL SONGS.

AMERICAN SPIRITUALS AND ORIGINAL DEVOTIONAL SONGS.

KIM LAWTON SPOKE WITH HIM ABOUT DEVOTIONAL SONGS.

KIM LAWTON SPOKE WITH HIM ABOUT MUSIC AND FAITH.

♪ MUSIC AND FAITH.

♪ >> Reporter: TEN-TIME ♪ >> Reporter: TEN-TIME GRAMMY-AWARD WINNING ARTIST >> Reporter: TEN-TIME GRAMMY-AWARD WINNING ARTIST BOBBY McFERRIN BELIEVES MUSIC GRAMMY-AWARD WINNING ARTIST BOBBY McFERRIN BELIEVES MUSIC HAS A TRANSCENDENT SPIRITUAL BOBBY McFERRIN BELIEVES MUSIC HAS A TRANSCENDENT SPIRITUAL POWER.

HAS A TRANSCENDENT SPIRITUAL POWER.

>> IT ELICITS SO MANY EMOTIONS.

POWER.

>> IT ELICITS SO MANY EMOTIONS.

HAVE YOU EVER LISTENED TO A >> IT ELICITS SO MANY EMOTIONS.

HAVE YOU EVER LISTENED TO A PIECE OF MUSIC AND FOR SOME HAVE YOU EVER LISTENED TO A PIECE OF MUSIC AND FOR SOME REASON THAT YOU DON'T, YOU JUST PIECE OF MUSIC AND FOR SOME REASON THAT YOU DON'T, YOU JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND, YOU SIMPLY REASON THAT YOU DON'T, YOU JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND, YOU SIMPLY BURST INTO TEARS?

CAN'T UNDERSTAND, YOU SIMPLY BURST INTO TEARS?

MUSIC HAS A WAY OF COMMUNICATING BURST INTO TEARS?

MUSIC HAS A WAY OF COMMUNICATING IN A WAY THAT LANGUAGE DOES NOT.

IT CAN GO PAST LANGUAGE.

IN A WAY THAT LANGUAGE DOES NOT.

IT CAN GO PAST LANGUAGE.

>> Reporter: IN HIS CONCERTS, IT CAN GO PAST LANGUAGE.

>> Reporter: IN HIS CONCERTS, THE GENRE-BLENDING ARTIST IS >> Reporter: IN HIS CONCERTS, THE GENRE-BLENDING ARTIST IS KNOWN FOR HIS UNIQUE STYLE OF THE GENRE-BLENDING ARTIST IS KNOWN FOR HIS UNIQUE STYLE OF WORDLESS IMPROVISATIONS, USING KNOWN FOR HIS UNIQUE STYLE OF WORDLESS IMPROVISATIONS, USING HIS VOICE AND HIS BODY AS WORDLESS IMPROVISATIONS, USING HIS VOICE AND HIS BODY AS ACCOMPANYING INSTRUMENTS.

HIS VOICE AND HIS BODY AS ACCOMPANYING INSTRUMENTS.

>> I'M NOT SO MUCH INTO PEOPLE ACCOMPANYING INSTRUMENTS.

>> I'M NOT SO MUCH INTO PEOPLE BEING WOWED OVER MY TECHNIQUE OR >> I'M NOT SO MUCH INTO PEOPLE BEING WOWED OVER MY TECHNIQUE OR WHAT I CAN DO, STUFF LIKE THAT.

BEING WOWED OVER MY TECHNIQUE OR WHAT I CAN DO, STUFF LIKE THAT.

IT'S JUST A VEHICLE FOR ME.

WHAT I CAN DO, STUFF LIKE THAT.

IT'S JUST A VEHICLE FOR ME.

THAT'S JUST A VEHICLE FOR MY IT'S JUST A VEHICLE FOR ME.

THAT'S JUST A VEHICLE FOR MY SPIRIT.

>> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS HIS SPIRIT.

>> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS HIS CHRISTIAN FAITH PERMEATES >> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS HIS CHRISTIAN FAITH PERMEATES EVERYTHING HE DOES.

CHRISTIAN FAITH PERMEATES EVERYTHING HE DOES.

BUT IT'S PARTICULARLY EVIDENT IN EVERYTHING HE DOES.

BUT IT'S PARTICULARLY EVIDENT IN HIS NEW ALBUM, "SPIRITYOUALL," BUT IT'S PARTICULARLY EVIDENT IN HIS NEW ALBUM, "SPIRITYOUALL," WHICH INCLUDES HIS HIS NEW ALBUM, "SPIRITYOUALL," WHICH INCLUDES HIS INTERPRETATION OF CLASSIC WHICH INCLUDES HIS INTERPRETATION OF CLASSIC AFRICAN-AMERICAN SPIRITUALS AND INTERPRETATION OF CLASSIC AFRICAN-AMERICAN SPIRITUALS AND SEVERAL DEVOTIONAL SONGS THAT HE AFRICAN-AMERICAN SPIRITUALS AND SEVERAL DEVOTIONAL SONGS THAT HE WROTE.

SEVERAL DEVOTIONAL SONGS THAT HE WROTE.

THE PROJECT HONORS THE LEGACY OF WROTE.

THE PROJECT HONORS THE LEGACY OF HIS FATHER, ROBERT McFERRIN, THE PROJECT HONORS THE LEGACY OF HIS FATHER, ROBERT McFERRIN, SR., THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN HIS FATHER, ROBERT McFERRIN, SR., THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN TO SING A TITLE ROLE AT THE SR., THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN TO SING A TITLE ROLE AT THE METROPOLITAN OPERA.

TO SING A TITLE ROLE AT THE METROPOLITAN OPERA.

THE SENIOR McFERRIN ALSO METROPOLITAN OPERA.

THE SENIOR McFERRIN ALSO RELEASED AN ALBUM OF SPIRITUALS, THE SENIOR McFERRIN ALSO RELEASED AN ALBUM OF SPIRITUALS, DEEP RIVER, IN 1957.

RELEASED AN ALBUM OF SPIRITUALS, DEEP RIVER, IN 1957.

>> I NEVER HEARD MY FATHER PRAY.

DEEP RIVER, IN 1957.

>> I NEVER HEARD MY FATHER PRAY.

I KNOW THAT HE GOT ON HIS KNEES >> I NEVER HEARD MY FATHER PRAY.

I KNOW THAT HE GOT ON HIS KNEES MANY TIMES, BEFORE HE WENT TO I KNOW THAT HE GOT ON HIS KNEES MANY TIMES, BEFORE HE WENT TO BED AT NIGHT AND PRAYED, BUT I MANY TIMES, BEFORE HE WENT TO BED AT NIGHT AND PRAYED, BUT I ALWAYS HEARD HIM PRAY WHENEVER BED AT NIGHT AND PRAYED, BUT I ALWAYS HEARD HIM PRAY WHENEVER HE SANG THESE SPIRITUALS.

ALWAYS HEARD HIM PRAY WHENEVER HE SANG THESE SPIRITUALS.

♪ HE SANG THESE SPIRITUALS.

♪ >> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS SONGS ♪ >> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS SONGS LIKE "EVERY TIME I FEEL THE >> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS SONGS LIKE "EVERY TIME I FEEL THE SPIRIT" STILL RESONATE TODAY.

LIKE "EVERY TIME I FEEL THE SPIRIT" STILL RESONATE TODAY.

>> I CERTAINLY TRY TO PRAY THEM SPIRIT" STILL RESONATE TODAY.

>> I CERTAINLY TRY TO PRAY THEM AS I, AS I'M SINGING THEM.

THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AS I, AS I'M SINGING THEM.

THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND THE HOPE IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND THE HOPE IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THESE PIECES THAT THEY'LL AND THE HOPE IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THESE PIECES THAT THEY'LL CARRY THEM HOME WITH THEM AND HEAR THESE PIECES THAT THEY'LL CARRY THEM HOME WITH THEM AND THEN THEY'LL INSPIRE THEM TO CARRY THEM HOME WITH THEM AND THEN THEY'LL INSPIRE THEM TO BEGIN A SPIRITUAL JOURNEY OR TO THEN THEY'LL INSPIRE THEM TO BEGIN A SPIRITUAL JOURNEY OR TO CONTINUE ON IT.

BEGIN A SPIRITUAL JOURNEY OR TO CONTINUE ON IT.

>> Reporter: McFERRIN, WHOSE CONTINUE ON IT.

>> Reporter: McFERRIN, WHOSE GRANDFATHER WAS A BAPTIST >> Reporter: McFERRIN, WHOSE GRANDFATHER WAS A BAPTIST MINISTER, GREW UP IN THE GRANDFATHER WAS A BAPTIST MINISTER, GREW UP IN THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH.

MINISTER, GREW UP IN THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH.

>> WHEN I WAS 16, I WANTED TO EPISCOPAL CHURCH.

>> WHEN I WAS 16, I WANTED TO BECOME A MONK.

>> Reporter: A CATHOLIC MONK?

BECOME A MONK.

>> Reporter: A CATHOLIC MONK?

>> AN ANGLICAN MONK, ANGLICAN >> Reporter: A CATHOLIC MONK?

>> AN ANGLICAN MONK, ANGLICAN CHURCH, EPISCOPAL CHURCH.

I WAS VERY ATTRACTED TO THE LIFE CHURCH, EPISCOPAL CHURCH.

I WAS VERY ATTRACTED TO THE LIFE OF QUIET, STRUCTURE.

♪ OF QUIET, STRUCTURE.

♪ >> Reporter: HE SAYS HE GAVE UP ♪ >> Reporter: HE SAYS HE GAVE UP ON THE IDEA IN HIS EARLY 20s >> Reporter: HE SAYS HE GAVE UP ON THE IDEA IN HIS EARLY 20s WHEN HE REALIZED HE WAS MEANT TO ON THE IDEA IN HIS EARLY 20s WHEN HE REALIZED HE WAS MEANT TO BE A SINGER, BUT THE RELIGIOUS WHEN HE REALIZED HE WAS MEANT TO BE A SINGER, BUT THE RELIGIOUS IMPULSES REMAIN.

BE A SINGER, BUT THE RELIGIOUS IMPULSES REMAIN.

>> I'M STILL A VERY QUIET GUY, IMPULSES REMAIN.

>> I'M STILL A VERY QUIET GUY, AND I LOVE THE SCRIPTURES.

I STILL READ THE BIBLE THROUGH, AND I LOVE THE SCRIPTURES.

I STILL READ THE BIBLE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, OVER AND OVER AND OVER I STILL READ THE BIBLE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS FIND THINGS AGAIN.

BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS FIND THINGS THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HADN'T BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS FIND THINGS THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HADN'T SEEN BEFORE.

THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HADN'T SEEN BEFORE.

I COULD READ THE SAME VERSE SEEN BEFORE.

I COULD READ THE SAME VERSE 1,000 TIMES, BUT THE 1,001st I COULD READ THE SAME VERSE 1,000 TIMES, BUT THE 1,001st TIME I READ IT I'LL FIND 1,000 TIMES, BUT THE 1,001st TIME I READ IT I'LL FIND SOMETHING IN IT THAT I HADN'T TIME I READ IT I'LL FIND SOMETHING IN IT THAT I HADN'T SEEN BEFORE.

SOMETHING IN IT THAT I HADN'T SEEN BEFORE.

>> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS WHEN SEEN BEFORE.

>> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS WHEN HE'S NOT TRAVELLING, HE ATTENDS >> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS WHEN HE'S NOT TRAVELLING, HE ATTENDS AN EPISCOPAL CHURCH.

HE'S NOT TRAVELLING, HE ATTENDS AN EPISCOPAL CHURCH.

BUT HE DOESN'T LIKE NARROW AN EPISCOPAL CHURCH.

BUT HE DOESN'T LIKE NARROW LABELS.

>> I DON'T REALLY THINK OF LABELS.

>> I DON'T REALLY THINK OF MYSELF AS A RELIGIOUS PERSON PER >> I DON'T REALLY THINK OF MYSELF AS A RELIGIOUS PERSON PER SE, BUT MORE A SPIRITUAL PERSON MYSELF AS A RELIGIOUS PERSON PER SE, BUT MORE A SPIRITUAL PERSON WHO FOLLOWS CHRIST, WHO FOLLOWS SE, BUT MORE A SPIRITUAL PERSON WHO FOLLOWS CHRIST, WHO FOLLOWS JESUS AS MY SPIRITUAL MASTER.

WHO FOLLOWS CHRIST, WHO FOLLOWS JESUS AS MY SPIRITUAL MASTER.

♪ DON'T WORRY BE HAPPY♪ JESUS AS MY SPIRITUAL MASTER.

♪ DON'T WORRY BE HAPPY♪ >> Reporter: THE 63-YEAR-OLD ♪ DON'T WORRY BE HAPPY♪ >> Reporter: THE 63-YEAR-OLD MUSICIAN IS PERHAPS BEST KNOWN >> Reporter: THE 63-YEAR-OLD MUSICIAN IS PERHAPS BEST KNOWN FOR HIS 1988 ACAPPELLA HIT, MUSICIAN IS PERHAPS BEST KNOWN FOR HIS 1988 ACAPPELLA HIT, "DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY."

FOR HIS 1988 ACAPPELLA HIT, "DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY."

IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS, HE HAS "DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY."

IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS, HE HAS CONDUCTED CLASSICAL ORCHESTRAS IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS, HE HAS CONDUCTED CLASSICAL ORCHESTRAS AND RELEASED ALBUMS FEATURING CONDUCTED CLASSICAL ORCHESTRAS AND RELEASED ALBUMS FEATURING STYLES FROM ACROSS THE MUSICAL AND RELEASED ALBUMS FEATURING STYLES FROM ACROSS THE MUSICAL SPECTRUM.

STYLES FROM ACROSS THE MUSICAL SPECTRUM.

HE FREQUENTLY WORKS WITH YOUNG SPECTRUM.

HE FREQUENTLY WORKS WITH YOUNG PEOPLE, TRYING TO HELP THEM SEE HE FREQUENTLY WORKS WITH YOUNG PEOPLE, TRYING TO HELP THEM SEE THE POWER OF MUSIC AS WELL.

PEOPLE, TRYING TO HELP THEM SEE THE POWER OF MUSIC AS WELL.

IT'S A LESSON HE SAYS HE LEARNED THE POWER OF MUSIC AS WELL.

IT'S A LESSON HE SAYS HE LEARNED AT AN EARLY AGE.

>> MY MOTHER KNEW ALL ABOUT THIS AT AN EARLY AGE.

>> MY MOTHER KNEW ALL ABOUT THIS WHEN I WAS VERY YOUNG.

SHE KNEW HOW MUSIC WAS A HEALING WHEN I WAS VERY YOUNG.

SHE KNEW HOW MUSIC WAS A HEALING BALM, BECAUSE WHENEVER I WAS SHE KNEW HOW MUSIC WAS A HEALING BALM, BECAUSE WHENEVER I WAS SICK SHE'D GIVE ME TWO THINGS, BALM, BECAUSE WHENEVER I WAS SICK SHE'D GIVE ME TWO THINGS, SHE'D GIVE ME MEDICINE FOR MY SICK SHE'D GIVE ME TWO THINGS, SHE'D GIVE ME MEDICINE FOR MY ACHES AND PAINS AND SHE'D GIVE SHE'D GIVE ME MEDICINE FOR MY ACHES AND PAINS AND SHE'D GIVE ME MUSIC FOR MY SPIRIT.

ACHES AND PAINS AND SHE'D GIVE ME MUSIC FOR MY SPIRIT.

THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN I'VE ME MUSIC FOR MY SPIRIT.

THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN I'VE WALKED ON STAGE ILL, NOT THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN I'VE WALKED ON STAGE ILL, NOT THINKING THAT I COULD ACTUALLY WALKED ON STAGE ILL, NOT THINKING THAT I COULD ACTUALLY GO ON AND DO MY PERFORMANCE AND THINKING THAT I COULD ACTUALLY GO ON AND DO MY PERFORMANCE AND 90 MINUTES LATER, WALK OFF STAGE GO ON AND DO MY PERFORMANCE AND 90 MINUTES LATER, WALK OFF STAGE WELL.

90 MINUTES LATER, WALK OFF STAGE WELL.

MUSIC DOES HAVE INCREDIBLE POWER WELL.

MUSIC DOES HAVE INCREDIBLE POWER TO REARRANGE YOUR INSIDES, MUSIC DOES HAVE INCREDIBLE POWER TO REARRANGE YOUR INSIDES, REARRANGE YOUR THOUGHTS, HEAL TO REARRANGE YOUR INSIDES, REARRANGE YOUR THOUGHTS, HEAL YOUR BODY.

REARRANGE YOUR THOUGHTS, HEAL YOUR BODY.

>> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS HE YOUR BODY.

>> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS HE SEES THE SPIRITUAL ALL AROUND >> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS HE SEES THE SPIRITUAL ALL AROUND HIM.

SEES THE SPIRITUAL ALL AROUND HIM.

>> JUST BEING IS A RELIGIOUS HIM.

>> JUST BEING IS A RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE.

IT'S A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE.

EXPERIENCE.

IT'S A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE.

JUST BEING IS HOLY.

IT'S A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE.

JUST BEING IS HOLY.

♪ THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD♪ JUST BEING IS HOLY.

♪ THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD♪ >> Reporter: McFERRIN'S FAVORITE ♪ THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD♪ >> Reporter: McFERRIN'S FAVORITE BOOK IN THE BIBLE IS THE PSALMS.

>> Reporter: McFERRIN'S FAVORITE BOOK IN THE BIBLE IS THE PSALMS.

SEVERAL YEARS AGO, HE WROTE A BOOK IN THE BIBLE IS THE PSALMS.

SEVERAL YEARS AGO, HE WROTE A SONG BASED ON PSALM 23, BUT IN SEVERAL YEARS AGO, HE WROTE A SONG BASED ON PSALM 23, BUT IN HIS VERSION, THE LOVE OF GOD SONG BASED ON PSALM 23, BUT IN HIS VERSION, THE LOVE OF GOD TAKES ON A FEMININE FORM.

HIS VERSION, THE LOVE OF GOD TAKES ON A FEMININE FORM.

♪ TAKES ON A FEMININE FORM.

♪ THE SONG HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY ♪ THE SONG HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY CHOIRS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THE SONG HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY CHOIRS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING THIS ONE CALLED CHOIRS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING THIS ONE CALLED "SINGING QUAKER WOMEN PLUS OTHER INCLUDING THIS ONE CALLED "SINGING QUAKER WOMEN PLUS OTHER FAITHFUL FRIENDS."

"SINGING QUAKER WOMEN PLUS OTHER FAITHFUL FRIENDS."

McFERRIN SAYS THE SONG WAS FAITHFUL FRIENDS."

McFERRIN SAYS THE SONG WAS INSPIRED AFTER HE AND HIS CHOIR McFERRIN SAYS THE SONG WAS INSPIRED AFTER HE AND HIS CHOIR WERE REHEARSING IN A CHURCH AND INSPIRED AFTER HE AND HIS CHOIR WERE REHEARSING IN A CHURCH AND BEGAN DISCUSSING THE MANY MALE WERE REHEARSING IN A CHURCH AND BEGAN DISCUSSING THE MANY MALE IMAGES IN THE BIBLE.

BEGAN DISCUSSING THE MANY MALE IMAGES IN THE BIBLE.

>> IT JUST SEEMED TO MAKE SENSE.

IMAGES IN THE BIBLE.

>> IT JUST SEEMED TO MAKE SENSE.

PEOPLE FORGET, YOU KNOW, A >> IT JUST SEEMED TO MAKE SENSE.

PEOPLE FORGET, YOU KNOW, A FATHER'S LOVE AND THEN THERE'S A PEOPLE FORGET, YOU KNOW, A FATHER'S LOVE AND THEN THERE'S A MOTHER'S LOVE, WHICH COMPLEMENTS FATHER'S LOVE AND THEN THERE'S A MOTHER'S LOVE, WHICH COMPLEMENTS THE FATHER'S LOVE.

MOTHER'S LOVE, WHICH COMPLEMENTS THE FATHER'S LOVE.

AND THEY FIT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, THE FATHER'S LOVE.

AND THEY FIT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, NICELY.

SO, THAT'S WHY I WROTE IT.

NICELY.

SO, THAT'S WHY I WROTE IT.

>> Reporter: THE NEW ALBUM HAS A SO, THAT'S WHY I WROTE IT.

>> Reporter: THE NEW ALBUM HAS A SONG HE WROTE BASED ON PSALM >> Reporter: THE NEW ALBUM HAS A SONG HE WROTE BASED ON PSALM 25:15.

SONG HE WROTE BASED ON PSALM 25:15.

♪ 25:15.

♪ "SPIRITYOUALL" ALSO INCLUDES ♪ "SPIRITYOUALL" ALSO INCLUDES ANOTHER FEMININE REFERENCE TO "SPIRITYOUALL" ALSO INCLUDES ANOTHER FEMININE REFERENCE TO GOD.

ANOTHER FEMININE REFERENCE TO GOD.

♪ SHE'S GOT THE WHOLE WORLD IN GOD.

♪ SHE'S GOT THE WHOLE WORLD IN HER HANDS♪ ♪ SHE'S GOT THE WHOLE WORLD IN HER HANDS♪ IN HIS CONCERTS, SUCH AS THIS HER HANDS♪ IN HIS CONCERTS, SUCH AS THIS ONE AT ST. LOUIS'S SHELDON IN HIS CONCERTS, SUCH AS THIS ONE AT ST. LOUIS'S SHELDON CONCERT HALL, McFERRIN ALWAYS ONE AT ST. LOUIS'S SHELDON CONCERT HALL, McFERRIN ALWAYS ENCOURAGES THE AUDIENCE TO SING CONCERT HALL, McFERRIN ALWAYS ENCOURAGES THE AUDIENCE TO SING ALONG, OFTEN PULLING PEOPLE UP ENCOURAGES THE AUDIENCE TO SING ALONG, OFTEN PULLING PEOPLE UP ON THE STAGE TO JOIN HIM.

ALONG, OFTEN PULLING PEOPLE UP ON THE STAGE TO JOIN HIM.

>> I LIKE TO THINK THAT ON THE STAGE TO JOIN HIM.

>> I LIKE TO THINK THAT REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU COME INTO >> I LIKE TO THINK THAT REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU COME INTO THE CONCERT HALL AT THE REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU COME INTO THE CONCERT HALL AT THE BEGINNING YOU'LL LEAVE THE CONCERT HALL AT THE BEGINNING YOU'LL LEAVE DIFFERENTLY.

BEGINNING YOU'LL LEAVE DIFFERENTLY.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S PART OF DIFFERENTLY.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S PART OF MY JOB DESCRIPTION AS AN ARTIST YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S PART OF MY JOB DESCRIPTION AS AN ARTIST IS MOVING PEOPLE TO MAKE MY JOB DESCRIPTION AS AN ARTIST IS MOVING PEOPLE TO MAKE IMPORTANT CHANGES IN THEIR IS MOVING PEOPLE TO MAKE IMPORTANT CHANGES IN THEIR LIVES.

IMPORTANT CHANGES IN THEIR LIVES.

>> Reporter: ANOTHER PART OF HIS LIVES.

>> Reporter: ANOTHER PART OF HIS JOB DESCRIPTION, HE SAYS, IS >> Reporter: ANOTHER PART OF HIS JOB DESCRIPTION, HE SAYS, IS MOVING PEOPLE TO JOY.

JOB DESCRIPTION, HE SAYS, IS MOVING PEOPLE TO JOY.

>> IF THERE'S ANY ONE THING I MOVING PEOPLE TO JOY.

>> IF THERE'S ANY ONE THING I WANT IT'S FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE, OR >> IF THERE'S ANY ONE THING I WANT IT'S FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE, OR TO FEEL THAT SENSE OF JOY, THE WANT IT'S FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE, OR TO FEEL THAT SENSE OF JOY, THE JOY THAT I FEEL JUST BEING ABLE TO FEEL THAT SENSE OF JOY, THE JOY THAT I FEEL JUST BEING ABLE TO SING AND GETTING A ROOMFUL OF JOY THAT I FEEL JUST BEING ABLE TO SING AND GETTING A ROOMFUL OF STRANGERS TO SING TOGETHER, WHAT TO SING AND GETTING A ROOMFUL OF STRANGERS TO SING TOGETHER, WHAT A JOYFUL EXPERIENCE THAT IS FOR STRANGERS TO SING TOGETHER, WHAT A JOYFUL EXPERIENCE THAT IS FOR ME.

A JOYFUL EXPERIENCE THAT IS FOR ME.

I LOVE IT.

ME.

I LOVE IT.

♪ I LOVE IT.

♪ >> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS HE ♪ >> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS HE BELIEVES GOD SPEAKS THROUGH HIS >> Reporter: McFERRIN SAYS HE BELIEVES GOD SPEAKS THROUGH HIS MUSIC.

BELIEVES GOD SPEAKS THROUGH HIS MUSIC.

BUT HE SAYS THAT DOESN'T MAKE MUSIC.

BUT HE SAYS THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM UNIQUE.

>> GOD DOESN'T SPEAK THROUGH ME HIM UNIQUE.

>> GOD DOESN'T SPEAK THROUGH ME AND NOT THROUGH YOU FOR SOME, >> GOD DOESN'T SPEAK THROUGH ME AND NOT THROUGH YOU FOR SOME, FOR SOME REASON.

AND NOT THROUGH YOU FOR SOME, FOR SOME REASON.

HE SPEAKS TO EVERYONE, AND WE IN FOR SOME REASON.

HE SPEAKS TO EVERYONE, AND WE IN TURN CAN OPEN UP OUR MOUTHS, OR HE SPEAKS TO EVERYONE, AND WE IN TURN CAN OPEN UP OUR MOUTHS, OR OPEN UP OUR HANDS, OR OUR MINDS TURN CAN OPEN UP OUR MOUTHS, OR OPEN UP OUR HANDS, OR OUR MINDS OR WHATEVER, OUR PROFESSIONS, OPEN UP OUR HANDS, OR OUR MINDS OR WHATEVER, OUR PROFESSIONS, AND LET GOD SPEAK THROUGH US TO OR WHATEVER, OUR PROFESSIONS, AND LET GOD SPEAK THROUGH US TO OTHER PEOPLE.

AND LET GOD SPEAK THROUGH US TO OTHER PEOPLE.

>> MY FATHER USED TO SAY, "THE OTHER PEOPLE.

>> MY FATHER USED TO SAY, "THE LORD HAS ENTRUSTED ME WITH A >> MY FATHER USED TO SAY, "THE LORD HAS ENTRUSTED ME WITH A TALENT.

LORD HAS ENTRUSTED ME WITH A TALENT.

IT'S NOT MY GIFT.

TALENT.

IT'S NOT MY GIFT.

THE LORD HAS ENTRUSTED ME WITH A IT'S NOT MY GIFT.

THE LORD HAS ENTRUSTED ME WITH A TALENT," AND I ABSOLUTELY FEEL THE LORD HAS ENTRUSTED ME WITH A TALENT," AND I ABSOLUTELY FEEL THAT WAY, THAT HE'S GIVEN ME TALENT," AND I ABSOLUTELY FEEL THAT WAY, THAT HE'S GIVEN ME THIS GIFT TO SHARE WITH OTHER THAT WAY, THAT HE'S GIVEN ME THIS GIFT TO SHARE WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND TO UPLIFT HEARTS.

THIS GIFT TO SHARE WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND TO UPLIFT HEARTS.

♪ PEOPLE AND TO UPLIFT HEARTS.

♪ >> Reporter: HE SAYS WHILE HIS ♪ >> Reporter: HE SAYS WHILE HIS NEW ALBUM COMES OUT OF HIS >> Reporter: HE SAYS WHILE HIS NEW ALBUM COMES OUT OF HIS CHRISTIAN FAITH, HE HOPES THOSE NEW ALBUM COMES OUT OF HIS CHRISTIAN FAITH, HE HOPES THOSE OF OTHER FAITHS, AND NO FAITHS, CHRISTIAN FAITH, HE HOPES THOSE OF OTHER FAITHS, AND NO FAITHS, WILL INDEED BE UPLIFTED BY ITS OF OTHER FAITHS, AND NO FAITHS, WILL INDEED BE UPLIFTED BY ITS SPIRIT.

WILL INDEED BE UPLIFTED BY ITS SPIRIT.

I'M KIM LAWTON IN ST. LOUIS.

SPIRIT.

I'M KIM LAWTON IN ST. LOUIS.

>>> FINALLY, ON OUR CALENDAR I'M KIM LAWTON IN ST. LOUIS.

>>> FINALLY, ON OUR CALENDAR THIS WEEKEND, BUDDHISTS >>> FINALLY, ON OUR CALENDAR THIS WEEKEND, BUDDHISTS CELEBRATE BUDDHA DAY, WHEN THEY THIS WEEKEND, BUDDHISTS CELEBRATE BUDDHA DAY, WHEN THEY MARK THE BIRTH, SPIRITUAL CELEBRATE BUDDHA DAY, WHEN THEY MARK THE BIRTH, SPIRITUAL AWAKENING AND DEATH OF THE MARK THE BIRTH, SPIRITUAL AWAKENING AND DEATH OF THE BUDDHA.

AWAKENING AND DEATH OF THE BUDDHA.

AND ON WEDNESDAY, BAHA' IS BUDDHA.

AND ON WEDNESDAY, BAHA' IS OBSERVE THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE AND ON WEDNESDAY, BAHA' IS OBSERVE THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE ASCENSION OF BAHAULLAH, THE OBSERVE THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE ASCENSION OF BAHAULLAH, THE FOUNDER OF THE BAHA'I FAITH.

ASCENSION OF BAHAULLAH, THE FOUNDER OF THE BAHA'I FAITH.

THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

FOUNDER OF THE BAHA'I FAITH.

THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR NOW.

I'M BOB ABERNETHY.

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AS WE LEAVE YOU, BOBBY McFERRIN SINGING HIS NEW SONG, "REST, YES AS WE LEAVE YOU, BOBBY McFERRIN SINGING HIS NEW SONG, "REST, YES INDEED."