GWEN: THE S WORD RULES THE WEEK.
BUT WHEN IS A SCANDAL TRULY WEEK.
BUT WHEN IS A SCANDAL TRULY SCANDALOUS?
BUT WHEN IS A SCANDAL TRULY SCANDALOUS?
AND WHEN IS IT POLITICS AS SCANDALOUS?
AND WHEN IS IT POLITICS AS USUAL?
AND WHEN IS IT POLITICS AS USUAL?
WE BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU USUAL?
WE BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
WE BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
CONGRESS IN FULL CRY.
TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
CONGRESS IN FULL CRY.
> I'M SAD AND I'M SICK TO MY CONGRESS IN FULL CRY.
> I'M SAD AND I'M SICK TO MY OMACSTH THAT AMERICANS COULD BE > I'M SAD AND I'M SICK TO MY OMACSTH THAT AMERICANS COULD BE TARGETED BY A GOVERNMENT AGENCY OMACSTH THAT AMERICANS COULD BE TARGETED BY A GOVERNMENT AGENCY BASED ON THEIR POLITICAL TARGETED BY A GOVERNMENT AGENCY BASED ON THEIR POLITICAL BELIEFS.
BASED ON THEIR POLITICAL BELIEFS.
>> IN THE SPAN OF FOUR DAYS, BELIEFS.
>> IN THE SPAN OF FOUR DAYS, THREE MAJOR REVELATIONS ABOUT >> IN THE SPAN OF FOUR DAYS, THREE MAJOR REVELATIONS ABOUT THE USE OF GOVERNMENT POWER.
THREE MAJOR REVELATIONS ABOUT THE USE OF GOVERNMENT POWER.
TO INTIMIDATE THOSE WHO ARE THE USE OF GOVERNMENT POWER.
TO INTIMIDATE THOSE WHO ARE DOING THINGS THAT THE TO INTIMIDATE THOSE WHO ARE DOING THINGS THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T DOING THINGS THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T THESE ARE THE TACTICS OF THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T THESE ARE THE TACTICS OF THE THIRD WORLD.
THESE ARE THE TACTICS OF THE THIRD WORLD.
>> MY QUESTION ISN'T ABOUT THIRD WORLD.
>> MY QUESTION ISN'T ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO RESIGN, MY >> MY QUESTION ISN'T ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO RESIGN, MY QUESTION IS, WHO'S GOING TO WHO'S GOING TO RESIGN, MY QUESTION IS, WHO'S GOING TO JAIL OVER THE SCANDAL?
QUESTION IS, WHO'S GOING TO JAIL OVER THE SCANDAL?
GWEN: THE WHITE HOUSE AND ITS JAIL OVER THE SCANDAL?
GWEN: THE WHITE HOUSE AND ITS SUPPORTERS IN FULL DEFENSIVE GWEN: THE WHITE HOUSE AND ITS SUPPORTERS IN FULL DEFENSIVE CROUCH.
SUPPORTERS IN FULL DEFENSIVE CROUCH.
>> MISCONDUCT THAT UNCOVERED IS CROUCH.
>> MISCONDUCT THAT UNCOVERED IS INEXCUSABLE.
>> MISCONDUCT THAT UNCOVERED IS INEXCUSABLE.
IT'S INEXCUSABLE AND AMERICANS INEXCUSABLE.
IT'S INEXCUSABLE AND AMERICANS ARE RIGHT TO BE ANGRY ABOUT IT IT'S INEXCUSABLE AND AMERICANS ARE RIGHT TO BE ANGRY ABOUT IT AND I AM ANGRY ABOUT IT.
ARE RIGHT TO BE ANGRY ABOUT IT AND I AM ANGRY ABOUT IT.
>> HYPERVENTILATING ABOUT AND I AM ANGRY ABOUT IT.
>> HYPERVENTILATING ABOUT BENGHAZI.
>> HYPERVENTILATING ABOUT BENGHAZI.
PRESIDENT OBAMA IS ABSOLUTELY BENGHAZI.
PRESIDENT OBAMA IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT TO CALL THIS A SIDE SHOW.
PRESIDENT OBAMA IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT TO CALL THIS A SIDE SHOW.
THIS IS ABOUT SMEAR POLITICS RIGHT TO CALL THIS A SIDE SHOW.
THIS IS ABOUT SMEAR POLITICS AND NOTHING ELSE.
THIS IS ABOUT SMEAR POLITICS AND NOTHING ELSE.
GWEN: THE I.R.S., BENGHAZI, THE AND NOTHING ELSE.
GWEN: THE I.R.S., BENGHAZI, THE LEAK INVESTIGATION OF THE GWEN: THE I.R.S., BENGHAZI, THE LEAK INVESTIGATION OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS.
LEAK INVESTIGATION OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS.
>> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT RISK.
ASSOCIATED PRESS.
>> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT RISK.
AND THAT IS NOT HYPERBOLE.
>> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT RISK.
AND THAT IS NOT HYPERBOLE.
IT PUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT AND THAT IS NOT HYPERBOLE.
IT PUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT RISK.
IT PUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT RISK.
AND TRYING TO DERMINTEE WHO'S RISK.
AND TRYING TO DERMINTEE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT I THINK AND TRYING TO DERMINTEE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT I THINK REQUIRED VERY AGGRESSIVE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT I THINK REQUIRED VERY AGGRESSIVE ACTION.
REQUIRED VERY AGGRESSIVE ACTION.
GWEN: AND IRRESISTIBLE ACTION.
GWEN: AND IRRESISTIBLE WASHINGTON TRAIN WRECKS.
GWEN: AND IRRESISTIBLE WASHINGTON TRAIN WRECKS.
HOW MANY HEADS WILL ROLL?
WASHINGTON TRAIN WRECKS.
HOW MANY HEADS WILL ROLL?
AND CAN THE PRESIDENT RECOVER?
HOW MANY HEADS WILL ROLL?
AND CAN THE PRESIDENT RECOVER?
WE SORT THROUGH A RAUCOUS WEEK AND CAN THE PRESIDENT RECOVER?
WE SORT THROUGH A RAUCOUS WEEK WITH THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS.
WE SORT THROUGH A RAUCOUS WEEK WITH THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS.
GLORIA BORGER OF CNN.
WITH THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS.
GLORIA BORGER OF CNN.
JOHN DICKERSON OF "SLATE" GLORIA BORGER OF CNN.
JOHN DICKERSON OF "SLATE" MAGAZINE.
JOHN DICKERSON OF "SLATE" MAGAZINE.
AND CBS NEWS.
MAGAZINE.
AND CBS NEWS.
JOHN HARWOOD OF CNBC AND'KEEFE AND CBS NEWS.
JOHN HARWOOD OF CNBC AND'KEEFE WASHINGTON POST."
JOHN HARWOOD OF CNBC AND'KEEFE WASHINGTON POST."
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND WASHINGTON POST."
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS COVERING HISTORY AS IT >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.
ANALYSIS COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS.
LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, HAPPENS.
LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITAL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH GWEN IFILL."
ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
THIS WEEK SAW A REMARKABLE GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
THIS WEEK SAW A REMARKABLE COLLISION OF OUTRAGE AND THIS WEEK SAW A REMARKABLE COLLISION OF OUTRAGE AND INVESTIGATION, PREENING AND COLLISION OF OUTRAGE AND INVESTIGATION, PREENING AND POLITICS.
INVESTIGATION, PREENING AND POLITICS.
AND AS THE WEEK ENDS WE STILL POLITICS.
AND AS THE WEEK ENDS WE STILL HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN TO THE AND AS THE WEEK ENDS WE STILL HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE UNFOLDING MESSES HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE UNFOLDING MESSES AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, THE BOTTOM OF THE UNFOLDING MESSES AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, THE STATE DEPARTMENT, THE I.R.S.
AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, THE STATE DEPARTMENT, THE I.R.S.
AND ULTIMATELY THE WHITE HOUSE.
STATE DEPARTMENT, THE I.R.S.
AND ULTIMATELY THE WHITE HOUSE.
WE'LL TRY TO PUT THEM INTO SOME AND ULTIMATELY THE WHITE HOUSE.
WE'LL TRY TO PUT THEM INTO SOME CONTEXT FOR YOU TONIGHT.
WE'LL TRY TO PUT THEM INTO SOME CONTEXT FOR YOU TONIGHT.
ONE BY ONE.
CONTEXT FOR YOU TONIGHT.
ONE BY ONE.
WE START WITH ARGUABLY THE ONE BY ONE.
WE START WITH ARGUABLY THE WORST OF THE THREE, SIGNS THAT WE START WITH ARGUABLY THE WORST OF THE THREE, SIGNS THAT THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE WORST OF THE THREE, SIGNS THAT THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE TARGETED CONSERVATIVE TEA PARTY THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE TARGETED CONSERVATIVE TEA PARTY GROUPS FOR SPECIAL SCRUTINY.
TARGETED CONSERVATIVE TEA PARTY GROUPS FOR SPECIAL SCRUTINY.
THE ACTING CHIEF, STEVEN GROUPS FOR SPECIAL SCRUTINY.
THE ACTING CHIEF, STEVEN MILLER, WAS FORCED OUT AND THE ACTING CHIEF, STEVEN MILLER, WAS FORCED OUT AND TODAY, HE WAS HAULED BEFORE A MILLER, WAS FORCED OUT AND TODAY, HE WAS HAULED BEFORE A HOUSE COMMITTEE TO EXPLAIN WHY TODAY, HE WAS HAULED BEFORE A HOUSE COMMITTEE TO EXPLAIN WHY IT HAPPENED.
HOUSE COMMITTEE TO EXPLAIN WHY IT HAPPENED.
THIS WAS THE GIST OF HIS IT HAPPENED.
THIS WAS THE GIST OF HIS DEFENSE.
THIS WAS THE GIST OF HIS DEFENSE.
>> I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT DEFENSE.
>> I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT PARTISANSHIP MOTIVATED THE >> I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT PARTISANSHIP MOTIVATED THE PEOPLE WHO ENGAGED IN THE PARTISANSHIP MOTIVATED THE PEOPLE WHO ENGAGED IN THE PRACTICES DESCRIBED IN THE PEOPLE WHO ENGAGED IN THE PRACTICES DESCRIBED IN THE TREASURY INSPECTOR GENERAL'S PRACTICES DESCRIBED IN THE TREASURY INSPECTOR GENERAL'S REPORT.
TREASURY INSPECTOR GENERAL'S REPORT.
I'VE REVIEWED THE INSPECTOR REPORT.
I'VE REVIEWED THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S REPORT AND BELIEVE I'VE REVIEWED THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S REPORT AND BELIEVE THE CONCLUSIONS ARE CONSISTENT GENERAL'S REPORT AND BELIEVE THE CONCLUSIONS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
THE CONCLUSIONS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
I THINK WHAT HAPPENED HERE WAS WITH THAT.
I THINK WHAT HAPPENED HERE WAS FOOLISH MISTAKES WERE MADE BY I THINK WHAT HAPPENED HERE WAS FOOLISH MISTAKES WERE MADE BY PEOPLE TRYING TO BE MORE FOOLISH MISTAKES WERE MADE BY PEOPLE TRYING TO BE MORE EFFICIENT IN THEIR WORKLOAD PEOPLE TRYING TO BE MORE EFFICIENT IN THEIR WORKLOAD SELECTION.
EFFICIENT IN THEIR WORKLOAD SELECTION.
GWEN: THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE SELECTION.
GWEN: THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE WAS BIPARTISAN OUTRAGE ALL GWEN: THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE WAS BIPARTISAN OUTRAGE ALL DIRECTED AT THE GOVERNMENT WAS BIPARTISAN OUTRAGE ALL DIRECTED AT THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY TAXPAYERS LOVE TO HATE.
DIRECTED AT THE GOVERNMENT AGENCY TAXPAYERS LOVE TO HATE.
THE I.R.S.
AGENCY TAXPAYERS LOVE TO HATE.
THE I.R.S.
NOT WITH NEW REASONS.
THE I.R.S.
NOT WITH NEW REASONS.
>> NOT AT ALL.
NOT WITH NEW REASONS.
>> NOT AT ALL.
THE BIGGEST NEWS OUT OF THIS IS >> NOT AT ALL.
THE BIGGEST NEWS OUT OF THIS IS THE TREASURY TAX WATCHDOG SAID THE BIGGEST NEWS OUT OF THIS IS THE TREASURY TAX WATCHDOG SAID HE BEGAN TELLING SENIOR THE TREASURY TAX WATCHDOG SAID HE BEGAN TELLING SENIOR TREASURY DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS HE BEGAN TELLING SENIOR TREASURY DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE WAS TREASURY DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE WAS LOOKING INTO THIS LAST SUMMER.
ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE WAS LOOKING INTO THIS LAST SUMMER.
IT STARTED WITH THE GENERAL LOOKING INTO THIS LAST SUMMER.
IT STARTED WITH THE GENERAL COUNSEL AND THEN THE DEPUTY IT STARTED WITH THE GENERAL COUNSEL AND THEN THE DEPUTY TREASURY SECRETARY.
COUNSEL AND THEN THE DEPUTY TREASURY SECRETARY.
THAT PIQUED THE TRF LAWMAKERS TREASURY SECRETARY.
THAT PIQUED THE TRF LAWMAKERS OF BOTH PARTIES -- THE INTEREST THAT PIQUED THE TRF LAWMAKERS OF BOTH PARTIES -- THE INTEREST OF LAWMAKERS OF BOTH PARTIES.
OF BOTH PARTIES -- THE INTEREST OF LAWMAKERS OF BOTH PARTIES.
PERHAPS THEY KNEW SOMETHING IN OF LAWMAKERS OF BOTH PARTIES.
PERHAPS THEY KNEW SOMETHING IN THE MONTHS LEADING UP TO THE PERHAPS THEY KNEW SOMETHING IN THE MONTHS LEADING UP TO THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
THE MONTHS LEADING UP TO THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
BEYOND THAT BOTH THE WATCHDOG PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
BEYOND THAT BOTH THE WATCHDOG AND MR. MILLER MADE CLEAR WE BEYOND THAT BOTH THE WATCHDOG AND MR. MILLER MADE CLEAR WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE AND MR. MILLER MADE CLEAR WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THERE'S PARTISANSHIP HERE.
HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THERE'S PARTISANSHIP HERE.
JUST AN ATTEMPT TO SOMEHOW DEAL THERE'S PARTISANSHIP HERE.
JUST AN ATTEMPT TO SOMEHOW DEAL WITH A BIG INFLUX OF REQUESTS JUST AN ATTEMPT TO SOMEHOW DEAL WITH A BIG INFLUX OF REQUESTS FOR THIS TAX-EXEMPT STATUS IN WITH A BIG INFLUX OF REQUESTS FOR THIS TAX-EXEMPT STATUS IN THE WAKE OF THE CITIZENS UNITED FOR THIS TAX-EXEMPT STATUS IN THE WAKE OF THE CITIZENS UNITED CASE BACK IN 2010.
THE WAKE OF THE CITIZENS UNITED CASE BACK IN 2010.
THEY SAID THERE WAS A BIG CASE BACK IN 2010.
THEY SAID THERE WAS A BIG CONCERN THAT ALL OF THESE THEY SAID THERE WAS A BIG CONCERN THAT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS WERE BEGINNING CONCERN THAT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS WERE BEGINNING TO APPLY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT DIFFERENT GROUPS WERE BEGINNING TO APPLY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN THE RULES.
TO APPLY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN THE RULES.
AND SAID LOOK, EMPLOYEES LOOKED HAVE KNOWN THE RULES.
AND SAID LOOK, EMPLOYEES LOOKED AT THE NEWS REPORTS AND KNEW AND SAID LOOK, EMPLOYEES LOOKED AT THE NEWS REPORTS AND KNEW THAT THERE WAS CONCERN THAT AT THE NEWS REPORTS AND KNEW THAT THERE WAS CONCERN THAT THESE VARIOUS GROUPS WITH NAMES THAT THERE WAS CONCERN THAT THESE VARIOUS GROUPS WITH NAMES LIKE TEA PARTY, PATRIOT, 912, THESE VARIOUS GROUPS WITH NAMES LIKE TEA PARTY, PATRIOT, 912, CONSTITUTION, WERE BEGINNING TO LIKE TEA PARTY, PATRIOT, 912, CONSTITUTION, WERE BEGINNING TO APPLY AND THEY SIMPLY PUT THEM CONSTITUTION, WERE BEGINNING TO APPLY AND THEY SIMPLY PUT THEM ASIDE INTO A GROUP AND STARTED APPLY AND THEY SIMPLY PUT THEM ASIDE INTO A GROUP AND STARTED LOOKING AT THEM.
ASIDE INTO A GROUP AND STARTED LOOKING AT THEM.
GWEN: THIS DOVETAILS WITH THIS LOOKING AT THEM.
GWEN: THIS DOVETAILS WITH THIS IDEA OF GOVERNMENT OVERREACH.
GWEN: THIS DOVETAILS WITH THIS IDEA OF GOVERNMENT OVERREACH.
THIS IDEA THAT THE GOVERNMENT IDEA OF GOVERNMENT OVERREACH.
THIS IDEA THAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS -- IS DOING MORE THAN IT THIS IDEA THAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS -- IS DOING MORE THAN IT SHOULD BE INSERTING ITSELF IN WAS -- IS DOING MORE THAN IT SHOULD BE INSERTING ITSELF IN YOUR LIVES.
SHOULD BE INSERTING ITSELF IN YOUR LIVES.
>> WELL, I THINK ABSOLUTELY.
YOUR LIVES.
>> WELL, I THINK ABSOLUTELY.
IF YOU'RE THE PRESIDENT OF THE >> WELL, I THINK ABSOLUTELY.
IF YOU'RE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNED SITTATES WHO HAS BEEN IF YOU'RE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNED SITTATES WHO HAS BEEN TALKING RECENTLY ABOUT THE UNED SITTATES WHO HAS BEEN TALKING RECENTLY ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF GOVERNMENT TALKING RECENTLY ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF GOVERNMENT CITIZENSHIP, A COMMENCEMENT IMPORTANCE OF GOVERNMENT CITIZENSHIP, A COMMENCEMENT SPEECH ABOUT IT, THE PERSON WHO CITIZENSHIP, A COMMENCEMENT SPEECH ABOUT IT, THE PERSON WHO AUTHORED HEALTH CARE REFORM SPEECH ABOUT IT, THE PERSON WHO AUTHORED HEALTH CARE REFORM WHICH IS A LARGE GOVERNMENT AUTHORED HEALTH CARE REFORM WHICH IS A LARGE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM, WHO WANTS THE WHICH IS A LARGE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM, WHO WANTS THE GOVERNMENT TO POLICE THE PROGRAM, WHO WANTS THE GOVERNMENT TO POLICE THE BORDERS AS PART OF IMMIGRATION GOVERNMENT TO POLICE THE BORDERS AS PART OF IMMIGRATION REFORM, WHEN THE CREDIBILITY OF BORDERS AS PART OF IMMIGRATION REFORM, WHEN THE CREDIBILITY OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IS REFORM, WHEN THE CREDIBILITY OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IS PUT ON TRIAL HERE, WHICH IS THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IS PUT ON TRIAL HERE, WHICH IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY SAW, THIS PUT ON TRIAL HERE, WHICH IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY SAW, THIS PLAYS RIGHT INTO THE HANDS OF WHAT WE ACTUALLY SAW, THIS PLAYS RIGHT INTO THE HANDS OF HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS WHO SAY PLAYS RIGHT INTO THE HANDS OF HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS WHO SAY SORRY.
HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS WHO SAY SORRY.
THIS DOESN'T WORK.
SORRY.
THIS DOESN'T WORK.
NOW, WHAT THEY CAN DO, OF THIS DOESN'T WORK.
NOW, WHAT THEY CAN DO, OF COURSE, IS OVERREACH NOW, WHAT THEY CAN DO, OF COURSE, IS OVERREACH THEMSELVES.
COURSE, IS OVERREACH THEMSELVES.
AND REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN THEMSELVES.
AND REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN KNOWN, REMEMBER THE LEWINSKY AND REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN KNOWN, REMEMBER THE LEWINSKY CASE, HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO KIND KNOWN, REMEMBER THE LEWINSKY CASE, HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO KIND OF TAKE THIS TOO FAR AND THE CASE, HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO KIND OF TAKE THIS TOO FAR AND THE PUBLIC COULD REBEL AGAINST IN A OF TAKE THIS TOO FAR AND THE PUBLIC COULD REBEL AGAINST IN A AS WELL.
PUBLIC COULD REBEL AGAINST IN A AS WELL.
WE'LL HAVE TO SEE.
AS WELL.
WE'LL HAVE TO SEE.
>> THERE'S A WAY THIS I.R.S.
WE'LL HAVE TO SEE.
>> THERE'S A WAY THIS I.R.S.
SCANDAL BLEEDS OVER INTO OTHER >> THERE'S A WAY THIS I.R.S.
SCANDAL BLEEDS OVER INTO OTHER THINGS.
SCANDAL BLEEDS OVER INTO OTHER THINGS.
73% OF THE COUNTRY DOESN'T THINGS.
73% OF THE COUNTRY DOESN'T TRUST GOVERNMENT AND A SMALL 73% OF THE COUNTRY DOESN'T TRUST GOVERNMENT AND A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO STILL TRUST GOVERNMENT AND A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO STILL TRUSTED THEIR GOVERNMENT.
GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO STILL TRUSTED THEIR GOVERNMENT.
THE ARGUMENT FROM CONSERVATIVES TRUSTED THEIR GOVERNMENT.
THE ARGUMENT FROM CONSERVATIVES FOR AGES HAS BEEN EVEN IF THE ARGUMENT FROM CONSERVATIVES FOR AGES HAS BEEN EVEN IF THERE'S NO WRONGDOING, THIS IS FOR AGES HAS BEEN EVEN IF THERE'S NO WRONGDOING, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A THERE'S NO WRONGDOING, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG GOVERNMENT.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG GOVERNMENT.
SO LET'S LEAVE ASIDE THE BIG GOVERNMENT.
SO LET'S LEAVE ASIDE THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THESE SO LET'S LEAVE ASIDE THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THESE PEOPLE WERE POLITICALLY QUESTION OF WHETHER THESE PEOPLE WERE POLITICALLY MOTIVATED AT THE I.R.S.
PEOPLE WERE POLITICALLY MOTIVATED AT THE I.R.S.
BIG GOLVET -- BIG GOVERNMENT MOTIVATED AT THE I.R.S.
BIG GOLVET -- BIG GOVERNMENT GETS IN THE WAY OF YOUR LIFE.
BIG GOLVET -- BIG GOVERNMENT GETS IN THE WAY OF YOUR LIFE.
THERE'S A BATTLE IN THE SENATE GETS IN THE WAY OF YOUR LIFE.
THERE'S A BATTLE IN THE SENATE WHERE THEY WANT TO HAVE A THERE'S A BATTLE IN THE SENATE WHERE THEY WANT TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION BILL, WHERE THEY WANT TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION BILL, AND IN THE HOUSE, WHERE THEY COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION BILL, AND IN THE HOUSE, WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IMMIGRATION IN AND IN THE HOUSE, WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IMMIGRATION IN LITTLE PIECES.
WOULD LIKE TO DO IMMIGRATION IN LITTLE PIECES.
AND THE ARGUMENT IS DO THINGS LITTLE PIECES.
AND THE ARGUMENT IS DO THINGS IN LITTLE PIECES.
AND THE ARGUMENT IS DO THINGS IN LITTLE PIECES.
TINY LITTLE PIECES BECAUSE IF IN LITTLE PIECES.
TINY LITTLE PIECES BECAUSE IF YOU DO IT TOO BIG IT'S GOING TO TINY LITTLE PIECES BECAUSE IF YOU DO IT TOO BIG IT'S GOING TO HAVE THESE UNINTENDED YOU DO IT TOO BIG IT'S GOING TO HAVE THESE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
HAVE THESE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
THAT'S ONE WAY IN WHICH THE CONSEQUENCES.
THAT'S ONE WAY IN WHICH THE I.R.S.
FOUL-UP AFFECTS CURRENT THAT'S ONE WAY IN WHICH THE I.R.S.
FOUL-UP AFFECTS CURRENT LEGISLATION THEY'RE TRYING TO I.R.S.
FOUL-UP AFFECTS CURRENT LEGISLATION THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER.
LEGISLATION THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER.
AND ANOTHER THING, WHICH IS THE PUT TOGETHER.
AND ANOTHER THING, WHICH IS THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
AND ANOTHER THING, WHICH IS THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
OBAMACARE.
AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
OBAMACARE.
THE PRESIDENT'S HEALTH CARE OBAMACARE.
THE PRESIDENT'S HEALTH CARE PLAN.
THE PRESIDENT'S HEALTH CARE PLAN.
GWEN: THE SAME IDEA.
PLAN.
GWEN: THE SAME IDEA.
>> THE SAME IDEA AND THE I.R.S.
GWEN: THE SAME IDEA.
>> THE SAME IDEA AND THE I.R.S.
HAS A ROLE, A BIG ROLE, IN >> THE SAME IDEA AND THE I.R.S.
HAS A ROLE, A BIG ROLE, IN CARRYING OUT THE IMPLEMENTATION HAS A ROLE, A BIG ROLE, IN CARRYING OUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
CARRYING OUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
AND SO NOW CONSERVATIVES WHO OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
AND SO NOW CONSERVATIVES WHO FOR A LONG TIME HAVE SAID THIS AND SO NOW CONSERVATIVES WHO FOR A LONG TIME HAVE SAID THIS UNGAINLY, BIG MONSTER IS GOING FOR A LONG TIME HAVE SAID THIS UNGAINLY, BIG MONSTER IS GOING TO MESS UP EVERYONE'S LIFE NOW UNGAINLY, BIG MONSTER IS GOING TO MESS UP EVERYONE'S LIFE NOW THEY CAN SAY HERE WE HAVE AN TO MESS UP EVERYONE'S LIFE NOW THEY CAN SAY HERE WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF IT.
THEY CAN SAY HERE WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF IT.
AND HERE THERE GY'OING TO BE EXAMPLE OF IT.
AND HERE THERE GY'OING TO BE INVOLVED IN IT.
AND HERE THERE GY'OING TO BE INVOLVED IN IT.
>> JUST ONE PERSPECTIVE NOTE ON INVOLVED IN IT.
>> JUST ONE PERSPECTIVE NOTE ON THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF GOVERNMENT >> JUST ONE PERSPECTIVE NOTE ON THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF GOVERNMENT REACHING INTO PEOPLE'S LIVES.
THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF GOVERNMENT REACHING INTO PEOPLE'S LIVES.
LET'S REMEMBER THAT THE PEOPLE REACHING INTO PEOPLE'S LIVES.
LET'S REMEMBER THAT THE PEOPLE AFFECTED BY WHAT HAPPENED AT LET'S REMEMBER THAT THE PEOPLE AFFECTED BY WHAT HAPPENED AT THE I.R.S.
WERE REACHING OUT TO AFFECTED BY WHAT HAPPENED AT THE I.R.S.
WERE REACHING OUT TO THE GOVERNMENT FOR A GOVERNMENT THE I.R.S.
WERE REACHING OUT TO THE GOVERNMENT FOR A GOVERNMENT BENEFIT.
THE GOVERNMENT FOR A GOVERNMENT BENEFIT.
THAT IS TAX EXEMPT STATUS.
BENEFIT.
THAT IS TAX EXEMPT STATUS.
IT WASN'T THE GOVERNMENT GOING THAT IS TAX EXEMPT STATUS.
IT WASN'T THE GOVERNMENT GOING OUT AND FINDING ORGANIZATIONS IT WASN'T THE GOVERNMENT GOING OUT AND FINDING ORGANIZATIONS AND AUDITING THEIR TAX RETURNS, OUT AND FINDING ORGANIZATIONS AND AUDITING THEIR TAX RETURNS, RIGHT?
AND AUDITING THEIR TAX RETURNS, RIGHT?
THIS IS NOT ABOUT AUDITS.
RIGHT?
THIS IS NOT ABOUT AUDITS.
TO ME THE QUESTION IS ON I.R.S.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT AUDITS.
TO ME THE QUESTION IS ON I.R.S.
ARE FIRST OF ALL, THEY'VE TO ME THE QUESTION IS ON I.R.S.
ARE FIRST OF ALL, THEY'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT WAS ARE FIRST OF ALL, THEY'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT WAS IMPROPER THE WAY THAT THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IT WAS IMPROPER THE WAY THAT THEY VETTED THESE APPLICATIONS FOR IMPROPER THE WAY THAT THEY VETTED THESE APPLICATIONS FOR TAX EXEMPT STATUS.
VETTED THESE APPLICATIONS FOR TAX EXEMPT STATUS.
THAT WAS WRONG.
TAX EXEMPT STATUS.
THAT WAS WRONG.
THE ADDITIONAL QUESTION IS, IS THAT WAS WRONG.
THE ADDITIONAL QUESTION IS, IS IT WRONG BECAUSE THEY WERE THE ADDITIONAL QUESTION IS, IS IT WRONG BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO DO THIS FOR A IT WRONG BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO DO THIS FOR A PARTISAN REASON?
TRYING TO DO THIS FOR A PARTISAN REASON?
YOU HEARD STEACH MILLER SAY NO, PARTISAN REASON?
YOU HEARD STEACH MILLER SAY NO, IT WASN'T -- STEVE MILLER SAY YOU HEARD STEACH MILLER SAY NO, IT WASN'T -- STEVE MILLER SAY NO, IT WASN'T.
IT WASN'T -- STEVE MILLER SAY NO, IT WASN'T.
AND REPUBLICANS -- NO, IT WASN'T.
AND REPUBLICANS -- GWEN: AND DEMOCRATS AREN'T AND REPUBLICANS -- GWEN: AND DEMOCRATS AREN'T HAPPY WITH THAT ANSWER, EITHER.
GWEN: AND DEMOCRATS AREN'T HAPPY WITH THAT ANSWER, EITHER.
>> NOT HAPPY BUT SOMEBODY HAS HAPPY WITH THAT ANSWER, EITHER.
>> NOT HAPPY BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO PROVE OR DEVELOP MORE >> NOT HAPPY BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO PROVE OR DEVELOP MORE EVIDENCE THAN HAS COME OUT SO TO PROVE OR DEVELOP MORE EVIDENCE THAN HAS COME OUT SO FAR THAT THAT WAS THE CASE.
EVIDENCE THAN HAS COME OUT SO FAR THAT THAT WAS THE CASE.
AND THE THIRD QUESTION IS, DID FAR THAT THAT WAS THE CASE.
AND THE THIRD QUESTION IS, DID IT VOTCH THE WHITE HOUSE -- DID AND THE THIRD QUESTION IS, DID IT VOTCH THE WHITE HOUSE -- DID IT INVOLVE THE WHITE HOUSE?
IT VOTCH THE WHITE HOUSE -- DID IT INVOLVE THE WHITE HOUSE?
WAS THE WHITE HOUSE INVOLVED IN IT INVOLVE THE WHITE HOUSE?
WAS THE WHITE HOUSE INVOLVED IN MAKING IT HAPPEN OR CONDONING WAS THE WHITE HOUSE INVOLVED IN MAKING IT HAPPEN OR CONDONING IT?
MAKING IT HAPPEN OR CONDONING IT?
WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF IT?
WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT.
GWEN: WE'RE GOING TO CIRCLE THAT.
GWEN: WE'RE GOING TO CIRCLE BACK.
GWEN: WE'RE GOING TO CIRCLE BACK.
THERE WERE TWO OTHER BIG BACK.
THERE WERE TWO OTHER BIG SCANDALS WE WANT TO TOUCH ON THERE WERE TWO OTHER BIG SCANDALS WE WANT TO TOUCH ON LIGHTLY BEFORE WE GET TO THE SCANDALS WE WANT TO TOUCH ON LIGHTLY BEFORE WE GET TO THE FULL ANALYSIS.
LIGHTLY BEFORE WE GET TO THE FULL ANALYSIS.
AND THE SECOND WAS BENGHAZI.
FULL ANALYSIS.
AND THE SECOND WAS BENGHAZI.
THE CLASH THAT JUST WON'T GO AND THE SECOND WAS BENGHAZI.
THE CLASH THAT JUST WON'T GO AWAY.
THE CLASH THAT JUST WON'T GO AWAY.
WHO SAW THE ATTACKS IN LIBYA AWAY.
WHO SAW THE ATTACKS IN LIBYA COMING?
WHO SAW THE ATTACKS IN LIBYA COMING?
DID THE ADMINISTRATION TRY TO COMING?
DID THE ADMINISTRATION TRY TO SHIFT BLAME WITH LAUNDERED DID THE ADMINISTRATION TRY TO SHIFT BLAME WITH LAUNDERED TALKING POINTS?
SHIFT BLAME WITH LAUNDERED TALKING POINTS?
THE PRESIDENT SAYS IT'S ALLTICS TALKING POINTS?
THE PRESIDENT SAYS IT'S ALLTICS >> THE WHOLE THING DEFIES LOIG.
THE PRESIDENT SAYS IT'S ALLTICS >> THE WHOLE THING DEFIES LOIG.
AND THE FACT THAT THIS KEEPS ON >> THE WHOLE THING DEFIES LOIG.
AND THE FACT THAT THIS KEEPS ON GETTING CHURNED OUT FRANKLY HAS AND THE FACT THAT THIS KEEPS ON GETTING CHURNED OUT FRANKLY HAS A LOT TO DO WITH POLITICAL GETTING CHURNED OUT FRANKLY HAS A LOT TO DO WITH POLITICAL MOTIVATIONS.
A LOT TO DO WITH POLITICAL MOTIVATIONS.
IF ANYBODY OUT THERE WANTS TO MOTIVATIONS.
IF ANYBODY OUT THERE WANTS TO ACTUALLY FOCUS ON HOW WE MAKE IF ANYBODY OUT THERE WANTS TO ACTUALLY FOCUS ON HOW WE MAKE SURE SOMETHING LIKE THIS DOES ACTUALLY FOCUS ON HOW WE MAKE SURE SOMETHING LIKE THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN, I AM HAPPY TO SURE SOMETHING LIKE THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN, I AM HAPPY TO GET THEIR ADVICE AND NOT HAPPEN AGAIN, I AM HAPPY TO GET THEIR ADVICE AND INFORMATION AND COUNSEL.
GET THEIR ADVICE AND INFORMATION AND COUNSEL.
GWEN: HUNDREDS OF EMAILS ABOUT INFORMATION AND COUNSEL.
GWEN: HUNDREDS OF EMAILS ABOUT THE CONTROVERSY WERE RELEASED GWEN: HUNDREDS OF EMAILS ABOUT THE CONTROVERSY WERE RELEASED THIS WEEK.
THE CONTROVERSY WERE RELEASED THIS WEEK.
WHAT DID WE LEARN FROM THOSE, THIS WEEK.
WHAT DID WE LEARN FROM THOSE, JOHN?
WHAT DID WE LEARN FROM THOSE, JOHN?
>> WELL, OK. JOHN?
>> WELL, OK. WHERE TO BEGIN?
>> WELL, OK. WHERE TO BEGIN?
FROM JOHN'S POINT WHICH IS THAT WHERE TO BEGIN?
FROM JOHN'S POINT WHICH IS THAT THE I.R.S.
SCANDAL HAS NO FROM JOHN'S POINT WHICH IS THAT THE I.R.S.
SCANDAL HAS NO CONNECTION TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
THE I.R.S.
SCANDAL HAS NO CONNECTION TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
THIS IS THE CONTROVERSY OF THE CONNECTION TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
THIS IS THE CONTROVERSY OF THE THREE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS THE CONTROVERSY OF THE THREE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT SITS RIGHT IN THE WHITE THREE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT SITS RIGHT IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
THAT SITS RIGHT IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
THERE ARE ALSO OTHER GROUPS HOUSE.
THERE ARE ALSO OTHER GROUPS INVOLVED.
THERE ARE ALSO OTHER GROUPS INVOLVED.
THE MAIN CHARGE HERE, THERE ARE INVOLVED.
THE MAIN CHARGE HERE, THERE ARE MANY.
THE MAIN CHARGE HERE, THERE ARE MANY.
AND SEVERAL.
MANY.
AND SEVERAL.
CHARGES HERE.
AND SEVERAL.
CHARGES HERE.
BUT THE MAIN POLITICAL CHARGE CHARGES HERE.
BUT THE MAIN POLITICAL CHARGE IS THAT ONCE THIS TERRIBLE BUT THE MAIN POLITICAL CHARGE IS THAT ONCE THIS TERRIBLE ATTACK HAPPENED, AND THERE WERE IS THAT ONCE THIS TERRIBLE ATTACK HAPPENED, AND THERE WERE FOUR DEATHS, THE REPUBLICAN ATTACK HAPPENED, AND THERE WERE FOUR DEATHS, THE REPUBLICAN CHARGE ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION FOUR DEATHS, THE REPUBLICAN CHARGE ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION IS THAT THEY CONCOCTED A STORY CHARGE ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION IS THAT THEY CONCOCTED A STORY THAT THE ATTACKS WERE A IS THAT THEY CONCOCTED A STORY THAT THE ATTACKS WERE A SPONTANEOUS REACTION TO A VIDEO THAT THE ATTACKS WERE A SPONTANEOUS REACTION TO A VIDEO AND TO PROTESTS THAT WERE SPONTANEOUS REACTION TO A VIDEO AND TO PROTESTS THAT WERE HAPPENING IN CAIRO BASED ON AND TO PROTESTS THAT WERE HAPPENING IN CAIRO BASED ON THIS ANTI-ISLAMIC VIDEO.
HAPPENING IN CAIRO BASED ON THIS ANTI-ISLAMIC VIDEO.
AND THAT THIS WAS A CONCOCTED THIS ANTI-ISLAMIC VIDEO.
AND THAT THIS WAS A CONCOCTED STORY.
AND THAT THIS WAS A CONCOCTED STORY.
FURTHERMORE, THAT PART OF THE STORY.
FURTHERMORE, THAT PART OF THE CONCOCTED STORY WAS THAT THIS FURTHERMORE, THAT PART OF THE CONCOCTED STORY WAS THAT THIS WAS SO SPONTANEOUS IT HAD NO CONCOCTED STORY WAS THAT THIS WAS SO SPONTANEOUS IT HAD NO CONNECTION TO EXISTING WAS SO SPONTANEOUS IT HAD NO CONNECTION TO EXISTING TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS.
CONNECTION TO EXISTING TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS.
HOW DID THIS STORY GET PUT TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS.
HOW DID THIS STORY GET PUT TOGETHER?
HOW DID THIS STORY GET PUT TOGETHER?
IT GOT PUT TOGETHER IN TALKING TOGETHER?
IT GOT PUT TOGETHER IN TALKING POINTS.
IT GOT PUT TOGETHER IN TALKING POINTS.
SOMETHING WE'RE ALL VERY POINTS.
SOMETHING WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
SOMETHING WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
BUT THESE ARE THE LIST OF ITEMS FAMILIAR WITH.
BUT THESE ARE THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT MEMBERS OF AN BUT THESE ARE THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT MEMBERS OF AN ADMINISTRATION OR POLITICAL THAT MEMBERS OF AN ADMINISTRATION OR POLITICAL ALLIES GO ON TV AND THEY'RE ADMINISTRATION OR POLITICAL ALLIES GO ON TV AND THEY'RE GIVEN TALKING POINTS.
ALLIES GO ON TV AND THEY'RE GIVEN TALKING POINTS.
TALKING POINTS ARE NOT THE GIVEN TALKING POINTS.
TALKING POINTS ARE NOT THE PRODUCT OF SODIUM PENTOTHAL.
TALKING POINTS ARE NOT THE PRODUCT OF SODIUM PENTOTHAL.
THEY ARE USUALLY -- THEY ARE PRODUCT OF SODIUM PENTOTHAL.
THEY ARE USUALLY -- THEY ARE USUALLY THE DETAILS ARE FUZZED THEY ARE USUALLY -- THEY ARE USUALLY THE DETAILS ARE FUZZED DOWN AND USUALLY ALL VERY KIND USUALLY THE DETAILS ARE FUZZED DOWN AND USUALLY ALL VERY KIND OF BLAND.
DOWN AND USUALLY ALL VERY KIND OF BLAND.
SO -- BUT IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF BLAND.
SO -- BUT IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE TALKING POINTS, WE SO -- BUT IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE TALKING POINTS, WE LEARNED THIS LAST WEEK THAT OF THESE TALKING POINTS, WE LEARNED THIS LAST WEEK THAT THERE WERE 12 ITERATIONS OF THE LEARNED THIS LAST WEEK THAT THERE WERE 12 ITERATIONS OF THE TALKING POINTS.
THERE WERE 12 ITERATIONS OF THE TALKING POINTS.
AS THE C.I.A.
WEIGHED IN, AS TALKING POINTS.
AS THE C.I.A.
WEIGHED IN, AS THE STATE DEPARTMENT WEIGHED IN AS THE C.I.A.
WEIGHED IN, AS THE STATE DEPARTMENT WEIGHED IN AND AS THE WHITE HOUSE WEIGHED THE STATE DEPARTMENT WEIGHED IN AND AS THE WHITE HOUSE WEIGHED IN.
AND AS THE WHITE HOUSE WEIGHED IN.
AND WHAT WE KNEW ABOUT THIS IN.
AND WHAT WE KNEW ABOUT THIS CONTROVERSY IS THE WHITE HOUSE AND WHAT WE KNEW ABOUT THIS CONTROVERSY IS THE WHITE HOUSE HAD SAID THAT ONLY ONE WORD HAD CONTROVERSY IS THE WHITE HOUSE HAD SAID THAT ONLY ONE WORD HAD BEEN CHANGED IN THESE TALKING HAD SAID THAT ONLY ONE WORD HAD BEEN CHANGED IN THESE TALKING POINTS.
BEEN CHANGED IN THESE TALKING POINTS.
NOW, THESE ARE THE TALKING POINTS.
NOW, THESE ARE THE TALKING POINTS THAT INFORM SUSAN RICE NOW, THESE ARE THE TALKING POINTS THAT INFORM SUSAN RICE WHEN SHE WENT ON TV THE U.N.
POINTS THAT INFORM SUSAN RICE WHEN SHE WENT ON TV THE U.N.
AMBASSADOR, THE SUNDAY AFTER WHEN SHE WENT ON TV THE U.N.
AMBASSADOR, THE SUNDAY AFTER THIS ATTACK AND INFORMED THE AMBASSADOR, THE SUNDAY AFTER THIS ATTACK AND INFORMED THE WORLD ABOUT WHAT THE THIS ATTACK AND INFORMED THE WORLD ABOUT WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION KNEW.
WORLD ABOUT WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION KNEW.
PRESIDENT SAID THIS IS A SIDE ADMINISTRATION KNEW.
PRESIDENT SAID THIS IS A SIDE SHOW.
PRESIDENT SAID THIS IS A SIDE SHOW.
NO, THIS IS ABOUT WHAT THE SHOW.
NO, THIS IS ABOUT WHAT THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE NO, THIS IS ABOUT WHAT THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TOLD THE WORLD SPOKESPERSON FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TOLD THE WORLD EVERYBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATION TOLD THE WORLD EVERYBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION BELIEVED.
EVERYBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION BELIEVED.
IT IS THE SHOW.
BELIEVED.
IT IS THE SHOW.
GWEN: THE SHOW IS THAT -- AS IS IT IS THE SHOW.
GWEN: THE SHOW IS THAT -- AS IS ALWAYS THE CASE THESE DAYS, OR GWEN: THE SHOW IS THAT -- AS IS ALWAYS THE CASE THESE DAYS, OR IT HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR SOME ALWAYS THE CASE THESE DAYS, OR IT HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR SOME YEARS, THAT IT WAS ABOUT THE IT HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR SOME YEARS, THAT IT WAS ABOUT THE COVER-UP, NOT ABOUT THE ACTUAL YEARS, THAT IT WAS ABOUT THE COVER-UP, NOT ABOUT THE ACTUAL CRIME.
COVER-UP, NOT ABOUT THE ACTUAL CRIME.
>> WELL, YES.
CRIME.
>> WELL, YES.
BUT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT >> WELL, YES.
BUT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF COVER-UPS WHICH IS WHY BUT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF COVER-UPS WHICH IS WHY IT GETS COMPLICATED.
KINDS OF COVER-UPS WHICH IS WHY IT GETS COMPLICATED.
THE MAIN COVER-UP IS THIS WAS IT GETS COMPLICATED.
THE MAIN COVER-UP IS THIS WAS NOT A SPONTANEOUS OPERATION.
THE MAIN COVER-UP IS THIS WAS NOT A SPONTANEOUS OPERATION.
IT WAS A PLANNED TERRORIST NOT A SPONTANEOUS OPERATION.
IT WAS A PLANNED TERRORIST ATTACK.
IT WAS A PLANNED TERRORIST ATTACK.
WHAT WE LEARNED THIS WEEK WHEN ATTACK.
WHAT WE LEARNED THIS WEEK WHEN THE EMAILS WERE FINALLY WHAT WE LEARNED THIS WEEK WHEN THE EMAILS WERE FINALLY RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE, THE EMAILS WERE FINALLY RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE, UNDER PRESSURE, BECAUSE THEY RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE, UNDER PRESSURE, BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN LEAKED, WHAT WE UNDER PRESSURE, BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN LEAKED, WHAT WE LEARNED IS THE C.I.A.
WHICH HAD HAD BEEN LEAKED, WHAT WE LEARNED IS THE C.I.A.
WHICH HAD FIRST IN ITS VERY FIRST LEARNED IS THE C.I.A.
WHICH HAD FIRST IN ITS VERY FIRST SENTENCE, HAD SAID WE BELIEVE FIRST IN ITS VERY FIRST SENTENCE, HAD SAID WE BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS A SPONTANEOUS SENTENCE, HAD SAID WE BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS A SPONTANEOUS ATTACK BASED ON WHAT WAS THAT THIS WAS A SPONTANEOUS ATTACK BASED ON WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN CAIRO.
ATTACK BASED ON WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN CAIRO.
>> WHICH REMAINED IN EVERY HAPPENING IN CAIRO.
>> WHICH REMAINED IN EVERY SINGLE VERSION OF THE TALKING >> WHICH REMAINED IN EVERY SINGLE VERSION OF THE TALKING POINTS.
SINGLE VERSION OF THE TALKING POINTS.
GWEN: WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE POINTS.
GWEN: WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE.
GWEN: WHICH TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE.
>> NOT NECESSARILY.
TRUE.
>> NOT NECESSARILY.
NO.
>> NOT NECESSARILY.
NO.
THE VIDEO PORTION, THE IDEA NO.
THE VIDEO PORTION, THE IDEA THAT THE VIDEO IS WHAT INSPIRED THE VIDEO PORTION, THE IDEA THAT THE VIDEO IS WHAT INSPIRED IT -- THAT THE VIDEO IS WHAT INSPIRED IT -- GWEN: RIGHT.
IT -- GWEN: RIGHT.
>> MAY BE UNTRUE.
GWEN: RIGHT.
>> MAY BE UNTRUE.
THEY BELIEVE IT'S UNTRUE.
>> MAY BE UNTRUE.
THEY BELIEVE IT'S UNTRUE.
THE IDEA THAT IT WAS THEY BELIEVE IT'S UNTRUE.
THE IDEA THAT IT WAS SPONTANEOUS, THAT IS, THAT THE THE IDEA THAT IT WAS SPONTANEOUS, THAT IS, THAT THE PEOPLE WHO PERPETRATED THE SPONTANEOUS, THAT IS, THAT THE PEOPLE WHO PERPETRATED THE ATTACK MAY HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE PEOPLE WHO PERPETRATED THE ATTACK MAY HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT MOMENT THAT ATTACK MAY HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT MOMENT THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISPROVEN.
ADVANTAGE OF THAT MOMENT THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISPROVEN.
>> HERE'S THE POINT TO ME WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DISPROVEN.
>> HERE'S THE POINT TO ME WHICH I LEARNED FROM READING ALL >> HERE'S THE POINT TO ME WHICH I LEARNED FROM READING ALL THESE EMAILS AND REPORTING I LEARNED FROM READING ALL THESE EMAILS AND REPORTING AFTERWARD, IF YOU WANT TO LIFT THESE EMAILS AND REPORTING AFTERWARD, IF YOU WANT TO LIFT THE VEIL ON HOW GOVERNMENT AFTERWARD, IF YOU WANT TO LIFT THE VEIL ON HOW GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WORK, NUMBER ONE, LOOK THE VEIL ON HOW GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WORK, NUMBER ONE, LOOK AT THESE TALKING POINTS.
DOESN'T WORK, NUMBER ONE, LOOK AT THESE TALKING POINTS.
ALL THESE PEOPLE WEIGHING IN AT THESE TALKING POINTS.
ALL THESE PEOPLE WEIGHING IN AND YOU FINALLY END UP WITH A ALL THESE PEOPLE WEIGHING IN AND YOU FINALLY END UP WITH A BOWL OF MUSH WHICH MIGHT BE AND YOU FINALLY END UP WITH A BOWL OF MUSH WHICH MIGHT BE ACTUALLY WRONG.
BOWL OF MUSH WHICH MIGHT BE ACTUALLY WRONG.
OK. ACTUALLY WRONG.
OK. SECOND THING IS WHAT WE WERE OK. SECOND THING IS WHAT WE WERE WITNESSING AND YOU REFERENCED SECOND THING IS WHAT WE WERE WITNESSING AND YOU REFERENCED THE C.I.A.
HERE, WHAT WE WERE WITNESSING AND YOU REFERENCED THE C.I.A.
HERE, WHAT WE WERE WITNESSING WAS ESSENTIALLY A THE C.I.A.
HERE, WHAT WE WERE WITNESSING WAS ESSENTIALLY A STRUGGLE BETWEEN THE STATE WITNESSING WAS ESSENTIALLY A STRUGGLE BETWEEN THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE C.I.A.
STRUGGLE BETWEEN THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THE C.I.A.
BECAUSE WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW AT DEPARTMENT AND THE C.I.A.
BECAUSE WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME WAS THAT BENGHAZI WAS BECAUSE WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME WAS THAT BENGHAZI WAS A C.I.A.
OPERATION.
THE TIME WAS THAT BENGHAZI WAS A C.I.A.
OPERATION.
NOT A STATE -- THE STATE A C.I.A.
OPERATION.
NOT A STATE -- THE STATE DEPARTMENT WAS PROVIDING THE NOT A STATE -- THE STATE DEPARTMENT WAS PROVIDING THE COVER FOR THE C.I.A.
DEPARTMENT WAS PROVIDING THE COVER FOR THE C.I.A.
THESE TALKING POINTS ARE THERE.
COVER FOR THE C.I.A.
THESE TALKING POINTS ARE THERE.
AND THEY'RE SAYING WE KNEW THESE TALKING POINTS ARE THERE.
AND THEY'RE SAYING WE KNEW THIS.
AND THEY'RE SAYING WE KNEW THIS.
WE KNEW THIS.
THIS.
WE KNEW THIS.
WE KNEW THIS.
WE KNEW THIS.
WE KNEW THIS.
AND THE PEOPLE AT THE STATE WE KNEW THIS.
AND THE PEOPLE AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT ARE SAYING THIS AND THE PEOPLE AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT ARE SAYING THIS MAKES IT LOOK LIKE WE WERE DEPARTMENT ARE SAYING THIS MAKES IT LOOK LIKE WE WERE ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH.
MAKES IT LOOK LIKE WE WERE ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH.
AND IT'S YOUR PEOPLE.
ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH.
AND IT'S YOUR PEOPLE.
GWEN: WHY IS THIS -- WHY IS AND IT'S YOUR PEOPLE.
GWEN: WHY IS THIS -- WHY IS THIS STUCK?
GWEN: WHY IS THIS -- WHY IS THIS STUCK?
WHY IS THIS A STORY THAT NEVER THIS STUCK?
WHY IS THIS A STORY THAT NEVER WENT AWAY?
WHY IS THIS A STORY THAT NEVER WENT AWAY?
>> IT NEVER WENT AWAY BECAUSE WENT AWAY?
>> IT NEVER WENT AWAY BECAUSE HOUSE REPUBLICANS BELIEVED >> IT NEVER WENT AWAY BECAUSE HOUSE REPUBLICANS BELIEVED THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING HOUSE REPUBLICANS BELIEVED THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING MORE.
THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING MORE.
AND NOW THAT THEY HAVE THESE MORE.
AND NOW THAT THEY HAVE THESE EMAILS, THE FACT THAT WE'RE AND NOW THAT THEY HAVE THESE EMAILS, THE FACT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT AT ALL TO THEM EMAILS, THE FACT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT AT ALL TO THEM IS A VICTORY.
TALKING ABOUT IT AT ALL TO THEM IS A VICTORY.
THEY CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT IS A VICTORY.
THEY CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVEN'T HEARD NECESSARILY THEY CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVEN'T HEARD NECESSARILY EVERYTHING THEY COULD FROM THEY HAVEN'T HEARD NECESSARILY EVERYTHING THEY COULD FROM SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY EVERYTHING THEY COULD FROM SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON.
SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON.
THE FACT THAT THIS INTERNAL CLINTON.
THE FACT THAT THIS INTERNAL REVIEW AT THE STATE AT THE THE FACT THAT THIS INTERNAL REVIEW AT THE STATE AT THE PRESENT TIME DIDN'T INVOLVE REVIEW AT THE STATE AT THE PRESENT TIME DIDN'T INVOLVE TALKING TO HER ABOUT WHAT SHE PRESENT TIME DIDN'T INVOLVE TALKING TO HER ABOUT WHAT SHE KNEW -- AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT TALKING TO HER ABOUT WHAT SHE KNEW -- AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT DIDN'T INVOLVE TALKING TO HER KNEW -- AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT DIDN'T INVOLVE TALKING TO HER ABOUT WHAT SHE KNEW.
DIDN'T INVOLVE TALKING TO HER ABOUT WHAT SHE KNEW.
AND THAT SITS OUT THERE.
ABOUT WHAT SHE KNEW.
AND THAT SITS OUT THERE.
THE OTHER BIG REASON IS HILLARY AND THAT SITS OUT THERE.
THE OTHER BIG REASON IS HILLARY CLINTON HERSELF.
THE OTHER BIG REASON IS HILLARY CLINTON HERSELF.
CLINTON HERSELF.
2016 IS COMING.
2016 IS COMING.
THE THOUGHT IS THAT SHE'S THE DEMOCRATIC FRONT RUNNER AND THE THOUGHT IS THAT SHE'S THE DEMOCRATIC FRONT RUNNER AND REPUBLICANS ARE DOING DEMOCRATIC FRONT RUNNER AND REPUBLICANS ARE DOING EVERYTHING EVERYTHING THEY CAN REPUBLICANS ARE DOING EVERYTHING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO DEFLATE HER WILDLY GOOD POLL EVERYTHING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO DEFLATE HER WILDLY GOOD POLL NUMBERS.
TO DEFLATE HER WILDLY GOOD POLL NUMBERS.
AND SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY.
NUMBERS.
AND SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY.
THE BIG PROBLEM IS REAL QUICK AND SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY.
THE BIG PROBLEM IS REAL QUICK IS THAT NOW HOUSE REPUBLICAN THE BIG PROBLEM IS REAL QUICK IS THAT NOW HOUSE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP IS SAYING DESPITE IS THAT NOW HOUSE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP IS SAYING DESPITE THEIR GENUINE CONCERNS AND LEADERSHIP IS SAYING DESPITE THEIR GENUINE CONCERNS AND INTERESTS IN THIS, BE CAREFUL.
THEIR GENUINE CONCERNS AND INTERESTS IN THIS, BE CAREFUL.
DON'T OVERREACH.
INTERESTS IN THIS, BE CAREFUL.
DON'T OVERREACH.
DON'T TURN THIS INTO A DON'T OVERREACH.
DON'T TURN THIS INTO A LEWINSKY-LIKE SCANDAL WHERE WE DON'T TURN THIS INTO A LEWINSKY-LIKE SCANDAL WHERE WE BEGIN TO LOOK RIDICULOUS FOR LEWINSKY-LIKE SCANDAL WHERE WE BEGIN TO LOOK RIDICULOUS FOR DOING SOME THINGS AND SAYING BEGIN TO LOOK RIDICULOUS FOR DOING SOME THINGS AND SAYING THINGS.
DOING SOME THINGS AND SAYING THINGS.
LET'S DO A MEASURED RESPONSE.
THINGS.
LET'S DO A MEASURED RESPONSE.
>> I THINK WE'RE ALREADY THERE.
LET'S DO A MEASURED RESPONSE.
>> I THINK WE'RE ALREADY THERE.
SOME WOULD SAY.
>> I THINK WE'RE ALREADY THERE.
SOME WOULD SAY.
>> THERE WAS THIS INFORMATION SOME WOULD SAY.
>> THERE WAS THIS INFORMATION WITH THE WHITE HOUSE HAD SAID >> THERE WAS THIS INFORMATION WITH THE WHITE HOUSE HAD SAID ABOUT THESE TALKING POINTS WITH THE WHITE HOUSE HAD SAID ABOUT THESE TALKING POINTS TURNED OUT NOT TO BE TRUE.
ABOUT THESE TALKING POINTS TURNED OUT NOT TO BE TRUE.
THEY WERE DOCTORED AND THEY TURNED OUT NOT TO BE TRUE.
THEY WERE DOCTORED AND THEY WERE -- BUT THE PROBLEM IS WERE THEY WERE DOCTORED AND THEY WERE -- BUT THE PROBLEM IS WERE THEY DOCTORED TO CREATE A COVER WERE -- BUT THE PROBLEM IS WERE THEY DOCTORED TO CREATE A COVER STORY OR A PART OF WHAT GLORIA THEY DOCTORED TO CREATE A COVER STORY OR A PART OF WHAT GLORIA DESCRIBES WHICH IS PUSH AND STORY OR A PART OF WHAT GLORIA DESCRIBES WHICH IS PUSH AND PULL OF BUREAUCRATIC AND DESCRIBES WHICH IS PUSH AND PULL OF BUREAUCRATIC AND KEISTER COVERING WHICH IS WHAT PULL OF BUREAUCRATIC AND KEISTER COVERING WHICH IS WHAT WE SAW IN THE EMAILS.
KEISTER COVERING WHICH IS WHAT WE SAW IN THE EMAILS.
WHAT THE SMALSE DON'T SHOW IS WE SAW IN THE EMAILS.
WHAT THE SMALSE DON'T SHOW IS AN OR KESS -- THE EMAILS DON'T WHAT THE SMALSE DON'T SHOW IS AN OR KESS -- THE EMAILS DON'T STHOW IS AN ORCHESTRATED AN OR KESS -- THE EMAILS DON'T STHOW IS AN ORCHESTRATED ATTEMPT AT A COVER STORY AND STHOW IS AN ORCHESTRATED ATTEMPT AT A COVER STORY AND LET THE WHITE HOUSE OFF THE ATTEMPT AT A COVER STORY AND LET THE WHITE HOUSE OFF THE HOOK.
LET THE WHITE HOUSE OFF THE HOOK.
GWEN: THERE'S A THIRD LEG OF HOOK.
GWEN: THERE'S A THIRD LEG OF THIS THREE-LEGGED STOOL OF GWEN: THERE'S A THIRD LEG OF THIS THREE-LEGGED STOOL OF SCANDAL.
THIS THREE-LEGGED STOOL OF SCANDAL.
WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOT SCANDAL.
WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOT BACKING AWAY FROM THE JUSTICE WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOT BACKING AWAY FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S DECISION TO SEIZE BACKING AWAY FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S DECISION TO SEIZE PHONE RECORDS FROM THE DEPARTMENT'S DECISION TO SEIZE PHONE RECORDS FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS.
PHONE RECORDS FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS.
CASTING A REALLY WIDE NET OF ASSOCIATED PRESS.
CASTING A REALLY WIDE NET OF INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT IT SAYS CASTING A REALLY WIDE NET OF INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT IT SAYS ARE NATIONAL SECURITY LEAKS INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT IT SAYS ARE NATIONAL SECURITY LEAKS THAT COULD HAVE HURT AMERICANS.
ARE NATIONAL SECURITY LEAKS THAT COULD HAVE HURT AMERICANS.
A LOT OF QUESTIONS REMAIN ABOUT THAT COULD HAVE HURT AMERICANS.
A LOT OF QUESTIONS REMAIN ABOUT HOW THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE A LOT OF QUESTIONS REMAIN ABOUT HOW THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WENT ABOUT IT.
HOW THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WENT ABOUT IT.
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THAT, WENT ABOUT IT.
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THAT, GLORIA?
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THAT, GLORIA?
>> YOU PLAYED THE CLIP FROM THE GLORIA?
>> YOU PLAYED THE CLIP FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BEFORE.
>> YOU PLAYED THE CLIP FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BEFORE.
HE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CLEARER ATTORNEY GENERAL BEFORE.
HE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CLEARER THAT HE SAID HIS CAREER, THIS HE COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CLEARER THAT HE SAID HIS CAREER, THIS WAS ONE OF THE TWO OR THREE THAT HE SAID HIS CAREER, THIS WAS ONE OF THE TWO OR THREE WORST LEAKS THREATENING WAS ONE OF THE TWO OR THREE WORST LEAKS THREATENING NATIONAL SECURITY.
WORST LEAKS THREATENING NATIONAL SECURITY.
THE PRESIDENT DID NOT BACK AWAY NATIONAL SECURITY.
THE PRESIDENT DID NOT BACK AWAY FROM IT.
THE PRESIDENT DID NOT BACK AWAY FROM IT.
HE SAID WHEN WE HAVE LEAKS OUT FROM IT.
HE SAID WHEN WE HAVE LEAKS OUT OF THE GOVERNMENT, THAT HE SAID WHEN WE HAVE LEAKS OUT OF THE GOVERNMENT, THAT THREATEN NATIONAL SECURITY, OF THE GOVERNMENT, THAT THREATEN NATIONAL SECURITY, WE'VE GOT TO INVESTIGATE IT.
THREATEN NATIONAL SECURITY, WE'VE GOT TO INVESTIGATE IT.
AND BY THE WAY, REPUBLICANS IN WE'VE GOT TO INVESTIGATE IT.
AND BY THE WAY, REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS CALLED FOR THIS LEAK AND BY THE WAY, REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS CALLED FOR THIS LEAK INVESTIGATION.
CONGRESS CALLED FOR THIS LEAK INVESTIGATION.
THIS WAS WE BELIEVE A STORY INVESTIGATION.
THIS WAS WE BELIEVE A STORY THAT WAS DONE BY THE ASSOCIATED THIS WAS WE BELIEVE A STORY THAT WAS DONE BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS ABOUT AL QAEDA TRYING TO THAT WAS DONE BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS ABOUT AL QAEDA TRYING TO DETONATE A BOMB THAT WAS PRESS ABOUT AL QAEDA TRYING TO DETONATE A BOMB THAT WAS THWARTED IN THIS COUNTRY.
DETONATE A BOMB THAT WAS THWARTED IN THIS COUNTRY.
CLEARLY VERY, VERY DANGEROUS THWARTED IN THIS COUNTRY.
CLEARLY VERY, VERY DANGEROUS STORY.
CLEARLY VERY, VERY DANGEROUS STORY.
WHAT OCCURRED, AND AGAIN, THIS STORY.
WHAT OCCURRED, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE THERE'S A WALL BETWEEN WHAT OCCURRED, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE THERE'S A WALL BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE JUSTICE IS WHERE THERE'S A WALL BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
THE PRESIDENT AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
YOU WANT A WALL.
DEPARTMENT.
YOU WANT A WALL.
BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE YOU WANT A WALL.
BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS NOT -- YOU KNOW, JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS NOT -- YOU KNOW, RICHARD NIXON SAYING OK, I GOT THIS IS NOT -- YOU KNOW, RICHARD NIXON SAYING OK, I GOT TO CONTROL THE JUSTICE RICHARD NIXON SAYING OK, I GOT TO CONTROL THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
TO CONTROL THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
THERE IS A WALL AFTER DEPARTMENT.
THERE IS A WALL AFTER WATERGATE.
THERE IS A WALL AFTER WATERGATE.
AND THE -- WHAT THE ATTORNEY WATERGATE.
AND THE -- WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE DID, NOT THE AND THE -- WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE DID, NOT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HIMSELF, WE GENERAL'S OFFICE DID, NOT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HIMSELF, WE NOW DISCOVER HE HAS RECUSED ATTORNEY GENERAL HIMSELF, WE NOW DISCOVER HE HAS RECUSED HIMSELF FROM THIS, BUT THEY DID NOW DISCOVER HE HAS RECUSED HIMSELF FROM THIS, BUT THEY DID A SUBPOENA ON THE A.P.
VERY HIMSELF FROM THIS, BUT THEY DID A SUBPOENA ON THE A.P.
VERY BROAD.
A SUBPOENA ON THE A.P.
VERY BROAD.
YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE BROAD.
YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WERE APPARENTLY AFFECTED.
YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WERE APPARENTLY AFFECTED.
AND THE A.P.
WAS NOT NOICHED OF WERE APPARENTLY AFFECTED.
AND THE A.P.
WAS NOT NOICHED OF THE SUBPOENA.
AND THE A.P.
WAS NOT NOICHED OF THE SUBPOENA.
THIS IS -- NOT NOTIFIED OF THE THE SUBPOENA.
THIS IS -- NOT NOTIFIED OF THE SUBPOENA.
THIS IS -- NOT NOTIFIED OF THE SUBPOENA.
THEY FOUND OUT AFTER THE FACT.
SUBPOENA.
THEY FOUND OUT AFTER THE FACT.
SO IT WAS A SECRET SUBPOENA.
THEY FOUND OUT AFTER THE FACT.
SO IT WAS A SECRET SUBPOENA.
WHICH IS WHY THE ASSOCIATED SO IT WAS A SECRET SUBPOENA.
WHICH IS WHY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS WENT HOG WILD ABOUT THIS WHICH IS WHY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS WENT HOG WILD ABOUT THIS AND WHY YOU HAVE MORE CALLS IN PRESS WENT HOG WILD ABOUT THIS AND WHY YOU HAVE MORE CALLS IN CONGRESS FOR A JOURNALIST AND WHY YOU HAVE MORE CALLS IN CONGRESS FOR A JOURNALIST SHIELD LAW.
CONGRESS FOR A JOURNALIST SHIELD LAW.
GWEN: THE FOURTH PART OF THE SHIELD LAW.
GWEN: THE FOURTH PART OF THE STOOL IS THE SPECTER OF -- I'M GWEN: THE FOURTH PART OF THE STOOL IS THE SPECTER OF -- I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, GOVERNMENT STOOL IS THE SPECTER OF -- I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, GOVERNMENT OVERREACH.
TRYING TO REMEMBER, GOVERNMENT OVERREACH.
THE SECOND PART OF IT IS THE OVERREACH.
THE SECOND PART OF IT IS THE SPECTER OF GOVERNMENT COVER-UP.
THE SECOND PART OF IT IS THE SPECTER OF GOVERNMENT COVER-UP.
AND THE THIRD IS WHAT?
SPECTER OF GOVERNMENT COVER-UP.
AND THE THIRD IS WHAT?
CONSTITUTIONAL INTRUSION?
AND THE THIRD IS WHAT?
CONSTITUTIONAL INTRUSION?
>> YES.
CONSTITUTIONAL INTRUSION?
>> YES.
I DON'T SEE THE COVER-UP ASPECT >> YES.
I DON'T SEE THE COVER-UP ASPECT OF THIS.
I DON'T SEE THE COVER-UP ASPECT OF THIS.
GWEN: NO.
OF THIS.
GWEN: NO.
OF BENGHAZI.
GWEN: NO.
OF BENGHAZI.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
OF BENGHAZI.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
>> BENBENGHAZI, YES.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
>> BENBENGHAZI, YES.
>> THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY >> BENBENGHAZI, YES.
>> THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHERS.
>> THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHERS.
FIRST OF ALL, IT IS A POLICY DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHERS.
FIRST OF ALL, IT IS A POLICY CHANGE.
FIRST OF ALL, IT IS A POLICY CHANGE.
IT'S NOT A SCANDAL PER SE.
CHANGE.
IT'S NOT A SCANDAL PER SE.
AND THE QUESTION IS, DID THEY IT'S NOT A SCANDAL PER SE.
AND THE QUESTION IS, DID THEY OVERREACH AND GO TOO FAR AND AND THE QUESTION IS, DID THEY OVERREACH AND GO TOO FAR AND DEFINE TOO BROADLY THE SCOPE OF OVERREACH AND GO TOO FAR AND DEFINE TOO BROADLY THE SCOPE OF WHAT THEY -- THE RECORD THEY DEFINE TOO BROADLY THE SCOPE OF WHAT THEY -- THE RECORD THEY WANTED?
WHAT THEY -- THE RECORD THEY WANTED?
DID THEY MAKE A MISTAKE?
WANTED?
DID THEY MAKE A MISTAKE?
DID THEY GET THE BALANCE WRONG DID THEY MAKE A MISTAKE?
DID THEY GET THE BALANCE WRONG BY NOT TALKING TO THE A.P.
AND DID THEY GET THE BALANCE WRONG BY NOT TALKING TO THE A.P.
AND NEGOTIATING THE SCOPE OF THIS BY NOT TALKING TO THE A.P.
AND NEGOTIATING THE SCOPE OF THIS BEFORE?
NEGOTIATING THE SCOPE OF THIS BEFORE?
GWEN: RIGHT.
BEFORE?
GWEN: RIGHT.
>> IT ALSO DOESN'T FIT IN A GWEN: RIGHT.
>> IT ALSO DOESN'T FIT IN A PARTISAN SENSE BECAUSE >> IT ALSO DOESN'T FIT IN A PARTISAN SENSE BECAUSE REPUBLICANS WERE IT NOT THE PARTISAN SENSE BECAUSE REPUBLICANS WERE IT NOT THE COINCIDENCE OF THESE OTHER REPUBLICANS WERE IT NOT THE COINCIDENCE OF THESE OTHER SCANDALS WOULDN'T CARE VERY COINCIDENCE OF THESE OTHER SCANDALS WOULDN'T CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT THIS AT ALL.
SCANDALS WOULDN'T CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT THIS AT ALL.
AND NEITHER WOULD THE AMERICAN MUCH ABOUT THIS AT ALL.
AND NEITHER WOULD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO BE HONEST.
AND NEITHER WOULD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO BE HONEST.
THE PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THIS PEOPLE TO BE HONEST.
THE PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THIS ARE CIVIL LIBERTARIANS AND THE PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT THIS ARE CIVIL LIBERTARIANS AND PEOPLE IN THE PRESS.
ARE CIVIL LIBERTARIANS AND PEOPLE IN THE PRESS.
WHO WANT THAT LINE DRAWN AS PEOPLE IN THE PRESS.
WHO WANT THAT LINE DRAWN AS NARROWLY AS POSSIBLE.
WHO WANT THAT LINE DRAWN AS NARROWLY AS POSSIBLE.
BUT THAT'S A PRETTY NARROWLY AS POSSIBLE.
BUT THAT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION THAT'S BUT THAT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION THAT'S -- THAT'S HARD TO ANSWER RIGHT STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION THAT'S -- THAT'S HARD TO ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
-- THAT'S HARD TO ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE IT'S -- BECAUSE SO MUCH NOW.
BECAUSE IT'S -- BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE CASE IS SECRET.
BECAUSE IT'S -- BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE CASE IS SECRET.
PEOPLE CAN JUDGE, DO THEY WANT OF THE CASE IS SECRET.
PEOPLE CAN JUDGE, DO THEY WANT AN ADMINISTRATION THAT IS PEOPLE CAN JUDGE, DO THEY WANT AN ADMINISTRATION THAT IS FORWARD LEANING AND MORE AN ADMINISTRATION THAT IS FORWARD LEANING AND MORE AGGRESSIVE ON FIRST AMENDMENT FORWARD LEANING AND MORE AGGRESSIVE ON FIRST AMENDMENT CASES LIKE THAT?
AGGRESSIVE ON FIRST AMENDMENT CASES LIKE THAT?
OR ONE THAT'S LESS SO?
CASES LIKE THAT?
OR ONE THAT'S LESS SO?
AND I THINK THE WHITE HOUSE CAN OR ONE THAT'S LESS SO?
AND I THINK THE WHITE HOUSE CAN BE CONFIDENT, THEY'RE PROBABLY AND I THINK THE WHITE HOUSE CAN BE CONFIDENT, THEY'RE PROBABLY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT BE CONFIDENT, THEY'RE PROBABLY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT POLITICALLY.
ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT POLITICALLY.
WHETHER THEY ARE SUBSTANTIVELY POLITICALLY.
WHETHER THEY ARE SUBSTANTIVELY WE DON'T KNOW.
WHETHER THEY ARE SUBSTANTIVELY WE DON'T KNOW.
GWEN: YOU RAISE AN INTERESTING WE DON'T KNOW.
GWEN: YOU RAISE AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
GWEN: YOU RAISE AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
TO WHAT DEGREE -- WE ARE QUESTION.
TO WHAT DEGREE -- WE ARE CONSUMED BY THESE STORIES THIS TO WHAT DEGREE -- WE ARE CONSUMED BY THESE STORIES THIS WEEK.
CONSUMED BY THESE STORIES THIS WEEK.
BUT TO WHAT DEGREE ARE WEEK.
BUT TO WHAT DEGREE ARE AMERICANS LOOKING AT THIS AND BUT TO WHAT DEGREE ARE AMERICANS LOOKING AT THIS AND SAYING BENGHAZI, WHO DID WHAT, AMERICANS LOOKING AT THIS AND SAYING BENGHAZI, WHO DID WHAT, WHO WROTE WHICH EMAIL, A.P., SAYING BENGHAZI, WHO DID WHAT, WHO WROTE WHICH EMAIL, A.P., WHAT IS THE A.P.?
WHO WROTE WHICH EMAIL, A.P., WHAT IS THE A.P.?
OR EVEN -- THE I.R.S.
THEY GET.
WHAT IS THE A.P.?
OR EVEN -- THE I.R.S.
THEY GET.
>> BENGHAZI.
OR EVEN -- THE I.R.S.
THEY GET.
>> BENGHAZI.
>> FOUR PEOPLE DIED AND YOU >> BENGHAZI.
>> FOUR PEOPLE DIED AND YOU KNOW WHAT A PRESIDENCY AND >> FOUR PEOPLE DIED AND YOU KNOW WHAT A PRESIDENCY AND WHITE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE WHEN KNOW WHAT A PRESIDENCY AND WHITE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE WHEN IT'S CROWING ABOUT A FOREIGN WHITE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE WHEN IT'S CROWING ABOUT A FOREIGN POLICY SUCCESS.
IT'S CROWING ABOUT A FOREIGN POLICY SUCCESS.
YOU SEE PICTURES OF THE POLICY SUCCESS.
YOU SEE PICTURES OF THE PRESIDENT GESTICULATING IN THE YOU SEE PICTURES OF THE PRESIDENT GESTICULATING IN THE SITUATION ROOM.
PRESIDENT GESTICULATING IN THE SITUATION ROOM.
AND EVERYBODY IN THE THINGS SITUATION ROOM.
AND EVERYBODY IN THE THINGS GOES TO THE PODIUM AND TALKS AND EVERYBODY IN THE THINGS GOES TO THE PODIUM AND TALKS ABOUT ALL THE HEROIC ACTIONS GOES TO THE PODIUM AND TALKS ABOUT ALL THE HEROIC ACTIONS FROM HERE TO HERE TO HERE.
ABOUT ALL THE HEROIC ACTIONS FROM HERE TO HERE TO HERE.
THE TONE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE FROM HERE TO HERE TO HERE.
THE TONE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE ON BENGHAZI FROM THE MINUTE IT THE TONE FROM THE WHITE HOUSE ON BENGHAZI FROM THE MINUTE IT HAPPENED HAS BEEN TENTATIVE, ON BENGHAZI FROM THE MINUTE IT HAPPENED HAS BEEN TENTATIVE, SHIFTING, CROUCHING.
HAPPENED HAS BEEN TENTATIVE, SHIFTING, CROUCHING.
NOW, WE -- SHIFTING, CROUCHING.
NOW, WE -- >> A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY.
NOW, WE -- >> A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY.
>> WELL, RIGHT.
>> A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY.
>> WELL, RIGHT.
BUT THE INSTINCT WASN'T WE'RE >> WELL, RIGHT.
BUT THE INSTINCT WASN'T WE'RE GOING TO COME CLEAN.
BUT THE INSTINCT WASN'T WE'RE GOING TO COME CLEAN.
WENOTHING CRIMINAL ABOUT GOING TO COME CLEAN.
WENOTHING CRIMINAL ABOUT THAT AND THAT'S THE DISTINCTION WENOTHING CRIMINAL ABOUT THAT AND THAT'S THE DISTINCTION HERE.
THAT AND THAT'S THE DISTINCTION HERE.
IS THAT WHILE THE BEHAVIOR HAS HERE.
IS THAT WHILE THE BEHAVIOR HAS BEEN KIND OF BLAME SHIFTING, IS THAT WHILE THE BEHAVIOR HAS BEEN KIND OF BLAME SHIFTING, THAT'S -- THAT'S DEFINITE THAN BEEN KIND OF BLAME SHIFTING, THAT'S -- THAT'S DEFINITE THAN WHAT THE CHARGES HAVE BEEN.
THAT'S -- THAT'S DEFINITE THAN WHAT THE CHARGES HAVE BEEN.
-- DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE WHAT THE CHARGES HAVE BEEN.
-- DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE CHARGES HAVE BEEN.
-- DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE CHARGES HAVE BEEN.
WHICH IS COVER-UP.
CHARGES HAVE BEEN.
WHICH IS COVER-UP.
>> LOOK, NO WHITE HOUSE LIKES WHICH IS COVER-UP.
>> LOOK, NO WHITE HOUSE LIKES TO PLAY DEFENSE.
>> LOOK, NO WHITE HOUSE LIKES TO PLAY DEFENSE.
>> OF COURSE.
TO PLAY DEFENSE.
>> OF COURSE.
>> WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT >> OF COURSE.
>> WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY'VE -- >> WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY'VE -- >> BUTHEY THAVE TO OR THE THEY'VE -- >> BUTHEY THAVE TO OR THE STORY OVERTAKES THEM.
>> BUTHEY THAVE TO OR THE STORY OVERTAKES THEM.
>> RIGHT.
STORY OVERTAKES THEM.
>> RIGHT.
AND BY THE WAY, IN THE SAME >> RIGHT.
AND BY THE WAY, IN THE SAME WEEK YOU'RE PLAYING DEFENSE ON AND BY THE WAY, IN THE SAME WEEK YOU'RE PLAYING DEFENSE ON TWO SCANDALS AND PICK A FIGHT WEEK YOU'RE PLAYING DEFENSE ON TWO SCANDALS AND PICK A FIGHT WITH THE MEDIA YOU DIDN'T WANT TWO SCANDALS AND PICK A FIGHT WITH THE MEDIA YOU DIDN'T WANT TO PICK ON SUBPOENAS, RIGHT?
WITH THE MEDIA YOU DIDN'T WANT TO PICK ON SUBPOENAS, RIGHT?
SO THEY'RE PLAYING DEFENSE.
TO PICK ON SUBPOENAS, RIGHT?
SO THEY'RE PLAYING DEFENSE.
YOU SEE THE PRESIDENT WENT TO SO THEY'RE PLAYING DEFENSE.
YOU SEE THE PRESIDENT WENT TO BALTIMORE.
YOU SEE THE PRESIDENT WENT TO BALTIMORE.
HE HAD A BUNCH OF DEMOCRATIC BALTIMORE.
HE HAD A BUNCH OF DEMOCRATIC STRATEGISTS IN THIS WEEK HE HAD A BUNCH OF DEMOCRATIC STRATEGISTS IN THIS WEEK INCLUDING SOME ALUMS OF THE STRATEGISTS IN THIS WEEK INCLUDING SOME ALUMS OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION.
INCLUDING SOME ALUMS OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION.
GWEN: WHO KNOW A THING OR TWO CLINTON ADMINISTRATION.
GWEN: WHO KNOW A THING OR TWO -- GWEN: WHO KNOW A THING OR TWO -- >> THE CLINTON A-TEAM.
-- >> THE CLINTON A-TEAM.
>> DAMAGE CONTROL.
>> THE CLINTON A-TEAM.
>> DAMAGE CONTROL.
THE CLINTON A-TEAM WAS IN >> DAMAGE CONTROL.
THE CLINTON A-TEAM WAS IN THERE.
THE CLINTON A-TEAM WAS IN THERE.
AND GET HIM OUT OF WASHINGTON.
THERE.
AND GET HIM OUT OF WASHINGTON.
MAYBE EVEN DO A TOWN HALL.
AND GET HIM OUT OF WASHINGTON.
MAYBE EVEN DO A TOWN HALL.
ALTHOUGH I RECALL AT YOUR TOWN MAYBE EVEN DO A TOWN HALL.
ALTHOUGH I RECALL AT YOUR TOWN HALL THE PRESIDENT HAD SOME ALTHOUGH I RECALL AT YOUR TOWN HALL THE PRESIDENT HAD SOME TROUBLE LAST TIME.
HALL THE PRESIDENT HAD SOME TROUBLE LAST TIME.
WITH A QUESTIONER.
TROUBLE LAST TIME.
WITH A QUESTIONER.
>> A BAD WAY ECONOMICALLY AT WITH A QUESTIONER.
>> A BAD WAY ECONOMICALLY AT THAT POINT.
>> A BAD WAY ECONOMICALLY AT THAT POINT.
>> BUT THEY CAN BE A LITTLE THAT POINT.
>> BUT THEY CAN BE A LITTLE RISKY.
>> BUT THEY CAN BE A LITTLE RISKY.
BUT THEY SAID JUST -- YOU GOT RISKY.
BUT THEY SAID JUST -- YOU GOT TO GET OUT OF THIS POLITICAL BUT THEY SAID JUST -- YOU GOT TO GET OUT OF THIS POLITICAL SINKHOLE YOU'RE IN.
TO GET OUT OF THIS POLITICAL SINKHOLE YOU'RE IN.
IN WASHINGTON.
SINKHOLE YOU'RE IN.
IN WASHINGTON.
GWEN: LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF IN WASHINGTON.
GWEN: LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF GWEN: LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS WEEK.
THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS WEEK.
ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE TEA THIS WEEK.
ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE TEA PARTY WHICH WE HAD NOT HEARD ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE TEA PARTY WHICH WE HAD NOT HEARD MUCH OF FOR A LONG TIME IS PARTY WHICH WE HAD NOT HEARD MUCH OF FOR A LONG TIME IS ROARING BACK.
MUCH OF FOR A LONG TIME IS ROARING BACK.
>> BACK IN A BIG WAY, ROARING BACK.
>> BACK IN A BIG WAY, ABSOLUTELY.
>> BACK IN A BIG WAY, ABSOLUTELY.
IT BECOMES A FUNDRAISING TOOL ABSOLUTELY.
IT BECOMES A FUNDRAISING TOOL FOR THEM AGAIN.
IT BECOMES A FUNDRAISING TOOL FOR THEM AGAIN.
IT REMINDS PEOPLE THAT THEY FOR THEM AGAIN.
IT REMINDS PEOPLE THAT THEY EXISTED.
IT REMINDS PEOPLE THAT THEY EXISTED.
THEY'RE RELEVANT AGAIN.
EXISTED.
THEY'RE RELEVANT AGAIN.
AND IT REQUIRES NOW THE THEY'RE RELEVANT AGAIN.
AND IT REQUIRES NOW THE REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS AND AND IT REQUIRES NOW THE REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS AND ALSO FRANKLY THE NATIONAL PARTY REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS AND ALSO FRANKLY THE NATIONAL PARTY APPEAR RATUS TO STAND UP FOR ALSO FRANKLY THE NATIONAL PARTY APPEAR RATUS TO STAND UP FOR THEM -- APPEAR RATUS TO STAND APPEAR RATUS TO STAND UP FOR THEM -- APPEAR RATUS TO STAND UP FOR THEM.
THEM -- APPEAR RATUS TO STAND UP FOR THEM.
>> A POTENTIAL PROBLEM FOR UP FOR THEM.
>> A POTENTIAL PROBLEM FOR REPUBLICANS.
>> A POTENTIAL PROBLEM FOR REPUBLICANS.
THE REPUBLICANS' PROBLEM AS WE REPUBLICANS.
THE REPUBLICANS' PROBLEM AS WE SAW IN THE LAST ELECTION IS NOT THE REPUBLICANS' PROBLEM AS WE SAW IN THE LAST ELECTION IS NOT THAT THEIR BASE IS NOT WHIPPED SAW IN THE LAST ELECTION IS NOT THAT THEIR BASE IS NOT WHIPPED UP ENOUGH WITH ANTAGONISM THAT THEIR BASE IS NOT WHIPPED UP ENOUGH WITH ANTAGONISM TOWARD PRESIDENT OBAMA AND UP ENOUGH WITH ANTAGONISM TOWARD PRESIDENT OBAMA AND DEMOCRATS.
TOWARD PRESIDENT OBAMA AND DEMOCRATS.
THEIR PROBLEM IS THAT THEIR DEMOCRATS.
THEIR PROBLEM IS THAT THEIR BASE IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH.
THEIR PROBLEM IS THAT THEIR BASE IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH.
AND THE QUESTION IS, DO ANY OF BASE IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH.
AND THE QUESTION IS, DO ANY OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING AND THE QUESTION IS, DO ANY OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING ON THIS WEEK AND WHAT FLOWS THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING ON THIS WEEK AND WHAT FLOWS FROM THEM WIDEN THEIR BASE?
ON THIS WEEK AND WHAT FLOWS FROM THEM WIDEN THEIR BASE?
COULD THE I.R.S.
BE A STORY FROM THEM WIDEN THEIR BASE?
COULD THE I.R.S.
BE A STORY THAT HELPS THEM DEPENDING ON COULD THE I.R.S.
BE A STORY THAT HELPS THEM DEPENDING ON WHAT COMES OUT?
THAT HELPS THEM DEPENDING ON WHAT COMES OUT?
POSSIBLY.
WHAT COMES OUT?
POSSIBLY.
>> YOU KNOW NOW IT HELPS?
POSSIBLY.
>> YOU KNOW NOW IT HELPS?
YOU'RE HEADING INTO A MID-TERM >> YOU KNOW NOW IT HELPS?
YOU'RE HEADING INTO A MID-TERM ELECTION.
YOU'RE HEADING INTO A MID-TERM ELECTION.
LOTS OF THESE REPUBLICANS, ELECTION.
LOTS OF THESE REPUBLICANS, INCLUDING THE REPUBLICAN LEADER LOTS OF THESE REPUBLICANS, INCLUDING THE REPUBLICAN LEADER INCLUDING THE REPUBLICAN LEADER MITCH AMERICA CONNELL, WERE MITCH AMERICA CONNELL, WERE AFRAID OF HAVING -- MITCH MCCONNELL, WERE AFRAID OF AFRAID OF HAVING -- MITCH MCCONNELL, WERE AFRAID OF HAVING CHALLENGERS FROM THE TEA MCCONNELL, WERE AFRAID OF HAVING CHALLENGERS FROM THE TEA PARTY AND NOW MITCH MCCONNELL HAVING CHALLENGERS FROM THE TEA PARTY AND NOW MITCH MCCONNELL CAN DEFEND THE TEA PARTY.
PARTY AND NOW MITCH MCCONNELL CAN DEFEND THE TEA PARTY.
AND EVERY REPUBLICAN CAN COME CAN DEFEND THE TEA PARTY.
AND EVERY REPUBLICAN CAN COME IN DEFENSE OF THE TEA PARTY AND EVERY REPUBLICAN CAN COME IN DEFENSE OF THE TEA PARTY WHICH WAS AS WE KNOW WRONGED IN IN DEFENSE OF THE TEA PARTY WHICH WAS AS WE KNOW WRONGED IN THIS.
WHICH WAS AS WE KNOW WRONGED IN THIS.
EVERYONE AGREES TO THAT.
THIS.
EVERYONE AGREES TO THAT.
SO IT KIND OF PLAYS INTO THEM.
EVERYONE AGREES TO THAT.
SO IT KIND OF PLAYS INTO THEM.
BECAUSE THE MID-TERM ELECTIONS, SO IT KIND OF PLAYS INTO THEM.
BECAUSE THE MID-TERM ELECTIONS, YOUR BASE CAN BE NARROWER.
BECAUSE THE MID-TERM ELECTIONS, YOUR BASE CAN BE NARROWER.
BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE YOUR BASE CAN BE NARROWER.
BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO TURN OUT.
BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO TURN OUT.
>> BUT THE SMARTER REPUBLICANS WHO TURN OUT.
>> BUT THE SMARTER REPUBLICANS HAVE THEIR EYE ON THE LONG >> BUT THE SMARTER REPUBLICANS HAVE THEIR EYE ON THE LONG GAME.
HAVE THEIR EYE ON THE LONG GAME.
AND THE LONG GAME IS THEY NEED GAME.
AND THE LONG GAME IS THEY NEED MORE PEOPLE TO BE OPEN TO THEIR AND THE LONG GAME IS THEY NEED MORE PEOPLE TO BE OPEN TO THEIR PARTY.
MORE PEOPLE TO BE OPEN TO THEIR PARTY.
THIS IS WHY EVEN IF YOU HAVE A PARTY.
THIS IS WHY EVEN IF YOU HAVE A CONTINUED LATHERING OF THESE THIS IS WHY EVEN IF YOU HAVE A CONTINUED LATHERING OF THESE SCANDALS, I WOULD NOT EXPECT CONTINUED LATHERING OF THESE SCANDALS, I WOULD NOT EXPECT REPUBLICANS TO DROP THE IDEA OF SCANDALS, I WOULD NOT EXPECT REPUBLICANS TO DROP THE IDEA OF GOING FORWARD ON IMMIGRATION REPUBLICANS TO DROP THE IDEA OF GOING FORWARD ON IMMIGRATION REFORM.
GOING FORWARD ON IMMIGRATION REFORM.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE REFORM.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE LONG-TERM FUTURE OF THE PARTY.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE LONG-TERM FUTURE OF THE PARTY.
AND I THINK THE KEY REPUBLICAN LONG-TERM FUTURE OF THE PARTY.
AND I THINK THE KEY REPUBLICAN STRATEGISTS UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND I THINK THE KEY REPUBLICAN STRATEGISTS UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> AND HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE STRATEGISTS UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> AND HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS WHAT THE >> AND HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS WHAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BELIEVES.
SAYING THIS IS WHAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BELIEVES.
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THE NEWS REPUBLICAN PARTY BELIEVES.
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THE NEWS CYCLES ARE TAKEN UP BY AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THE NEWS CYCLES ARE TAKEN UP BY COMPLICATED SCANDALS AND CYCLES ARE TAKEN UP BY COMPLICATED SCANDALS AND EXCITING MEMBERS OF YOUR CAUCUS COMPLICATED SCANDALS AND EXCITING MEMBERS OF YOUR CAUCUS SAYING EXTRAORDINARY THINGS EXCITING MEMBERS OF YOUR CAUCUS SAYING EXTRAORDINARY THINGS ABOUT THESE SCANDALS, IT JUST SAYING EXTRAORDINARY THINGS ABOUT THESE SCANDALS, IT JUST CROWDS OUT ANY CHANCE THAT YOU ABOUT THESE SCANDALS, IT JUST CROWDS OUT ANY CHANCE THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION.
CROWDS OUT ANY CHANCE THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION.
OR YOU CAN TALK ABOUT SELECT -- CAN TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION.
OR YOU CAN TALK ABOUT SELECT -- GWEN: AND ALSO LIKE THE OR YOU CAN TALK ABOUT SELECT -- GWEN: AND ALSO LIKE THE MILITARY ASSAULT, THE SEXUAL GWEN: AND ALSO LIKE THE MILITARY ASSAULT, THE SEXUAL ASSAULTS IN THE MILITARY WHICH MILITARY ASSAULT, THE SEXUAL ASSAULTS IN THE MILITARY WHICH WOULD BE A HUGE STORY IN ASSAULTS IN THE MILITARY WHICH WOULD BE A HUGE STORY IN ANOTHER WEEK.
WOULD BE A HUGE STORY IN ANOTHER WEEK.
ABOUT HOW WIDESPREAD THAT IS ANOTHER WEEK.
ABOUT HOW WIDESPREAD THAT IS AND HOW IT'S BEEN GROWING.
ABOUT HOW WIDESPREAD THAT IS AND HOW IT'S BEEN GROWING.
>> AND ONE THAT WILL CONTINUE AND HOW IT'S BEEN GROWING.
>> AND ONE THAT WILL CONTINUE FOR REST OF THE YEAR.
>> AND ONE THAT WILL CONTINUE FOR REST OF THE YEAR.
THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE SEVEN FOR REST OF THE YEAR.
THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE SEVEN WOMEN ON THE SENATE ARMED THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE SEVEN WOMEN ON THE SENATE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE ALL OF WHOM WOMEN ON THE SENATE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE ALL OF WHOM ARE GENUINELY UPSET ABOUT THIS SERVICES COMMITTEE ALL OF WHOM ARE GENUINELY UPSET ABOUT THIS SITUATION.
ARE GENUINELY UPSET ABOUT THIS SITUATION.
THEY'VE DRAFTED AT LEAST THREE SITUATION.
THEY'VE DRAFTED AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT PROPOSALS ON HOW THEY THEY'VE DRAFTED AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT PROPOSALS ON HOW THEY CAN CHANGE THINGS.
DIFFERENT PROPOSALS ON HOW THEY CAN CHANGE THINGS.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
CAN CHANGE THINGS.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
IN A WEEK, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY YOU'RE RIGHT.
IN A WEEK, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THIS.
IN A WEEK, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THIS.
THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY THING WE OF THIS.
THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY THING WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY THING WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THERE'S A REAL PUSH NOW, WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THERE'S A REAL PUSH NOW, AND IT CROSSES PARTY LINES AND AND THERE'S A REAL PUSH NOW, AND IT CROSSES PARTY LINES AND CROSSES GENDER LINES, WHERE I AND IT CROSSES PARTY LINES AND CROSSES GENDER LINES, WHERE I THINK THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE CROSSES GENDER LINES, WHERE I THINK THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IS GENERATIONALLY.
THINK THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IS GENERATIONALLY.
YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE OLDER IS GENERATIONALLY.
YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE OLDER LAWMAKERS WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND, YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE OLDER LAWMAKERS WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND, WHO SERVED IN THE MILITARY, LAWMAKERS WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND, WHO SERVED IN THE MILITARY, JOHN MCCAIN, A BUNCH OF THE WHO SERVED IN THE MILITARY, JOHN MCCAIN, A BUNCH OF THE REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE ARMED JOHN MCCAIN, A BUNCH OF THE REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE, SAY THEY'RE REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE, SAY THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT SERVICES COMMITTEE, SAY THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING CHANGES TO HOW ETH CHAIN A LITTLE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING CHANGES TO HOW ETH CHAIN OF COMMAND WOULD DEAL WITH MAKING CHANGES TO HOW ETH CHAIN OF COMMAND WOULD DEAL WITH THIS.
OF COMMAND WOULD DEAL WITH THIS.
BUT YOU'RE SEEING THE YOUNGER THIS.
BUT YOU'RE SEEING THE YOUNGER LAWMAKERS AND THE WOMEN WHO BUT YOU'RE SEEING THE YOUNGER LAWMAKERS AND THE WOMEN WHO SERVE ON THE ARMED SERVICES LAWMAKERS AND THE WOMEN WHO SERVE ON THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE NO, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH SERVE ON THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE NO, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND TIME TO MAKE A CHANGE.
COMMITTEE NO, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND TIME TO MAKE A CHANGE.
GWEN: OUR LAST MINUTE OR SO AND TIME TO MAKE A CHANGE.
GWEN: OUR LAST MINUTE OR SO LET'S LOOK FORWARD FOR A GWEN: OUR LAST MINUTE OR SO LET'S LOOK FORWARD FOR A MOMENT.
LET'S LOOK FORWARD FOR A MOMENT.
SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO MOMENT.
SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE TEA PARTY.
SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE TEA PARTY.
WITH THE I.R.S.
HEARINGS.
HAPPEN WITH THE TEA PARTY.
WITH THE I.R.S.
HEARINGS.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE MORE.
WITH THE I.R.S.
HEARINGS.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE MORE.
MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE MORE.
MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER BENGHAZI MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER BENGHAZI HAS SORTED ITSELF OUT OR WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER BENGHAZI HAS SORTED ITSELF OUT OR WHETHER IT'S PEAKED OR MORE HAS SORTED ITSELF OUT OR WHETHER IT'S PEAKED OR MORE SHOES TO DROP.
WHETHER IT'S PEAKED OR MORE SHOES TO DROP.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING SHOES TO DROP.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE A.P.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE A.P.
INVESTIGATION.
TO HAPPEN WITH THE A.P.
INVESTIGATION.
WHAT IS THE WHITE HOUSE GOT INVESTIGATION.
WHAT IS THE WHITE HOUSE GOT PLANNED TO KEEP -- STAY AHEAD WHAT IS THE WHITE HOUSE GOT PLANNED TO KEEP -- STAY AHEAD OF THIS?
PLANNED TO KEEP -- STAY AHEAD OF THIS?
>> WELL, I THINK THEY'RE OF THIS?
>> WELL, I THINK THEY'RE TRYING.
>> WELL, I THINK THEY'RE TRYING.
THEY'RE DANCING AS FAST AS THEY TRYING.
THEY'RE DANCING AS FAST AS THEY CAN.
THEY'RE DANCING AS FAST AS THEY CAN.
AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING CAN.
AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AND PIVOT TO TURN BACK AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AND PIVOT TO TURN BACK TO IMMIGRATION, I'M TOLD LOTS TO TRY AND PIVOT TO TURN BACK TO IMMIGRATION, I'M TOLD LOTS OF PEOPLE BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO IMMIGRATION, I'M TOLD LOTS OF PEOPLE BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO BRING UP GUN CONTROL AGAIN.
OF PEOPLE BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO BRING UP GUN CONTROL AGAIN.
THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOT TO BRING UP GUN CONTROL AGAIN.
THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOT MUCH OF A SHOT NOW.
THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOT MUCH OF A SHOT NOW.
GWEN: GOVERNING.
MUCH OF A SHOT NOW.
GWEN: GOVERNING.
>> BUT LOOK AT JOHN MCCAIN.
GWEN: GOVERNING.
>> BUT LOOK AT JOHN MCCAIN.
JOHN MCCAIN COULD BE HELPFUL ON >> BUT LOOK AT JOHN MCCAIN.
JOHN MCCAIN COULD BE HELPFUL ON IMMIGRATION.
JOHN MCCAIN COULD BE HELPFUL ON IMMIGRATION.
HE'S THEIR WORST ENEMY ON IMMIGRATION.
HE'S THEIR WORST ENEMY ON BENGHAZI.
HE'S THEIR WORST ENEMY ON BENGHAZI.
>> DON'T FORGET THE PROSPECTS BENGHAZI.
>> DON'T FORGET THE PROSPECTS FOR A BUDGET DEAL AS WELL.
>> DON'T FORGET THE PROSPECTS FOR A BUDGET DEAL AS WELL.
YOU HAVE TAX REFORM AND AN FOR A BUDGET DEAL AS WELL.
YOU HAVE TAX REFORM AND AN EFFORT BY MAX BAUCUS AND DAVE YOU HAVE TAX REFORM AND AN EFFORT BY MAX BAUCUS AND DAVE CAMP AND NEW C.B.O.
NUMBERS EFFORT BY MAX BAUCUS AND DAVE CAMP AND NEW C.B.O.
NUMBERS SHOWING THE DEFICIT COMING DOWN CAMP AND NEW C.B.O.
NUMBERS SHOWING THE DEFICIT COMING DOWN RAPIDLY.
SHOWING THE DEFICIT COMING DOWN RAPIDLY.
THAT MEANS THE KIND OF DEAL YOU RAPIDLY.
THAT MEANS THE KIND OF DEAL YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE FURTHER THAT MEANS THE KIND OF DEAL YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE FURTHER PROGRESS OVER THE LONG RUN WOULD NEED TO MAKE FURTHER PROGRESS OVER THE LONG RUN ISN'T AS BIG.
PROGRESS OVER THE LONG RUN ISN'T AS BIG.
NUMBERS AREN'T AS BIG.
ISN'T AS BIG.
NUMBERS AREN'T AS BIG.
MIGHT MAKE IT EASIER TO DO AND NUMBERS AREN'T AS BIG.
MIGHT MAKE IT EASIER TO DO AND ALL SIDES MIGHT HAVE AN MIGHT MAKE IT EASIER TO DO AND ALL SIDES MIGHT HAVE AN INCENTIVE TO GET IT DONE.
ALL SIDES MIGHT HAVE AN INCENTIVE TO GET IT DONE.
>> THE QUESTION IS IF YOU'RE A INCENTIVE TO GET IT DONE.
>> THE QUESTION IS IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN WHO WANTS TO WORK >> THE QUESTION IS IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN WHO WANTS TO WORK WITH THE PRESIDENT, IF YOUR REPUBLICAN WHO WANTS TO WORK WITH THE PRESIDENT, IF YOUR CONSTITUENTS WILL ALLOW YOU, WITH THE PRESIDENT, IF YOUR CONSTITUENTS WILL ALLOW YOU, BECAUSE YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE CONSTITUENTS WILL ALLOW YOU, BECAUSE YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE THINKING THE WHITE HOUSE ISN'T BECAUSE YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE THINKING THE WHITE HOUSE ISN'T TELLING THE TRUTH.
THINKING THE WHITE HOUSE ISN'T TELLING THE TRUTH.
THEY'RE THINKING THEY GOT THE TELLING THE TRUTH.
THEY'RE THINKING THEY GOT THE I.R.S.
GOING INTO THEIR THEY'RE THINKING THEY GOT THE I.R.S.
GOING INTO THEIR RECORDS.
I.R.S.
GOING INTO THEIR RECORDS.
AND SO IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN RECORDS.
AND SO IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN SENATOR AND YOU TURN BACK TO AND SO IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN SENATOR AND YOU TURN BACK TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND SAY, BUY SENATOR AND YOU TURN BACK TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND SAY, BUY THIS DEAL I'M SELLING YOU YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND SAY, BUY THIS DEAL I'M SELLING YOU BECAUSE YOU CAN TRUST THE WHITE THIS DEAL I'M SELLING YOU BECAUSE YOU CAN TRUST THE WHITE HOUSE.
BECAUSE YOU CAN TRUST THE WHITE HOUSE.
THEY MAY THINK YOU'RE NUTS.
HOUSE.
THEY MAY THINK YOU'RE NUTS.
GWEN: WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE TO THEY MAY THINK YOU'RE NUTS.
GWEN: WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE TO TALK ABOUT.
GWEN: WE HAVE SO MUCH MORE TO TALK ABOUT.
AND GUESS WHAT?
TALK ABOUT.
AND GUESS WHAT?
THE CONVERSATION IS GOING TO AND GUESS WHAT?
THE CONVERSATION IS GOING TO END HERE BUT IT'S GOING TO THE CONVERSATION IS GOING TO END HERE BUT IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE RIGHT AS THE PROGRAM END HERE BUT IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE RIGHT AS THE PROGRAM ENDS ONLINE ON OUR "WASHINGTON CONTINUE RIGHT AS THE PROGRAM ENDS ONLINE ON OUR "WASHINGTON WEEK" WEBCAST EXTRA WHERE WE'LL ENDS ONLINE ON OUR "WASHINGTON WEEK" WEBCAST EXTRA WHERE WE'LL TALK ABOUT ALL THE OTHER WEEK" WEBCAST EXTRA WHERE WE'LL TALK ABOUT ALL THE OTHER NONSCANDAL NEWS THAT LIVED IN TALK ABOUT ALL THE OTHER NONSCANDAL NEWS THAT LIVED IN THE SHADOWS THIS WEEK INCLUDING NONSCANDAL NEWS THAT LIVED IN THE SHADOWS THIS WEEK INCLUDING THE 37TH VOTE TO REPEAL THE THE SHADOWS THIS WEEK INCLUDING THE 37TH VOTE TO REPEAL THE HEALTH CARE LAW.
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