GWEN: THE LATEST ON THE BOSTON BOMBINGS.
THE NEWS -- THE SHAKY SENATE BOMBINGS.
THE NEWS -- THE SHAKY SENATE AND GEORGE W. BUSH'S LEGACY.
THE NEWS -- THE SHAKY SENATE AND GEORGE W. BUSH'S LEGACY.
TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
AND GEORGE W. BUSH'S LEGACY.
TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
>> WHETHER IT'S AL QAEDA, THE TONIGHT ON "WASHINGTON WEEK."
>> WHETHER IT'S AL QAEDA, THE FATAH OR TWO TWISTED PERVERTED >> WHETHER IT'S AL QAEDA, THE FATAH OR TWO TWISTED PERVERTED COWARDLY KNOCKOFF JIHADIS HERE FATAH OR TWO TWISTED PERVERTED COWARDLY KNOCKOFF JIHADIS HERE IN BOSTON.
COWARDLY KNOCKOFF JIHADIS HERE IN BOSTON.
WHY DO THEY DO WHAT THEY DO?
IN BOSTON.
WHY DO THEY DO WHAT THEY DO?
GWEN: TWO WEEKS LATER, STILL WHY DO THEY DO WHAT THEY DO?
GWEN: TWO WEEKS LATER, STILL SORTING THROUGH THE WHY'S AND GWEN: TWO WEEKS LATER, STILL SORTING THROUGH THE WHY'S AND ONE HOW'S BEHIND THE BOST SORTING THROUGH THE WHY'S AND ONE HOW'S BEHIND THE BOST TERROR ATTACK.
ONE HOW'S BEHIND THE BOST TERROR ATTACK.
WHILE NO WORRIES SPRING UP TERROR ATTACK.
WHILE NO WORRIES SPRING UP ABROAD.
WHILE NO WORRIES SPRING UP ABROAD.
THIS TIME IN SYRIA.
ABROAD.
THIS TIME IN SYRIA.
>> THE SYRIAN REGIME HAS USED THIS TIME IN SYRIA.
>> THE SYRIAN REGIME HAS USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS ON A SMALL >> THE SYRIAN REGIME HAS USED CHEMICAL WEAPONS ON A SMALL SCALE IN SYRIA.
CHEMICAL WEAPONS ON A SMALL SCALE IN SYRIA.
SPECIFICALLY THE CHEMICAL AGENT SCALE IN SYRIA.
SPECIFICALLY THE CHEMICAL AGENT SARIN.
SPECIFICALLY THE CHEMICAL AGENT SARIN.
>> I THINK IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS SARIN.
>> I THINK IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT RED LINE HAS BEEN CROSSED.
>> I THINK IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT RED LINE HAS BEEN CROSSED.
GWEN: YET ANOTHER DEMOCRAT THAT RED LINE HAS BEEN CROSSED.
GWEN: YET ANOTHER DEMOCRAT ABANDONS THE SENATE.
GWEN: YET ANOTHER DEMOCRAT ABANDONS THE SENATE.
WHY OTHER DEMOCRATS ARE GETTING ABANDONS THE SENATE.
WHY OTHER DEMOCRATS ARE GETTING NERVOUS.
WHY OTHER DEMOCRATS ARE GETTING NERVOUS.
AND IN TEXAS.
NERVOUS.
AND IN TEXAS.
>> PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH.
AND IN TEXAS.
>> PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH.
GWEN: THE PRESIDENT CLU'SB >> PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH.
GWEN: THE PRESIDENT CLU'SB GATHERS TO OPEN ITS NEWEST GWEN: THE PRESIDENT CLU'SB GATHERS TO OPEN ITS NEWEST LIBRARY.
GATHERS TO OPEN ITS NEWEST LIBRARY.
>> THE POLITICAL WINDS BLOW LIBRARY.
>> THE POLITICAL WINDS BLOW LEFT AND RIGHT.
>> THE POLITICAL WINDS BLOW LEFT AND RIGHT.
POLLS RISE AND FALL.
LEFT AND RIGHT.
POLLS RISE AND FALL.
SUPPORTERS COME AND GO.
POLLS RISE AND FALL.
SUPPORTERS COME AND GO.
BUT IN THE END, LEADERS ARE SUPPORTERS COME AND GO.
BUT IN THE END, LEADERS ARE DEFINED BY THE CONVICTIONS THEY BUT IN THE END, LEADERS ARE DEFINED BY THE CONVICTIONS THEY HOLD.
DEFINED BY THE CONVICTIONS THEY HOLD.
GWEN: COVERING THIS REMARKABLE HOLD.
GWEN: COVERING THIS REMARKABLE WEEK, MARTHA RADDATZ OF ABC GWEN: COVERING THIS REMARKABLE WEEK, MARTHA RADDATZ OF ABC NEWS, JAMES KITFIELD OF WEEK, MARTHA RADDATZ OF ABC NEWS, JAMES KITFIELD OF "NATIONAL JOURNAL."
NEWS, JAMES KITFIELD OF "NATIONAL JOURNAL."
SUSAN DAVIS OF "USA TODAY."
"NATIONAL JOURNAL."
SUSAN DAVIS OF "USA TODAY."
AND DAN BALZ OF "THE WASHINGTON SUSAN DAVIS OF "USA TODAY."
AND DAN BALZ OF "THE WASHINGTON POST."
AND DAN BALZ OF "THE WASHINGTON POST."
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND POST."
>> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS >> AWARD-WINNING REPORTING AND ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS, LIVE FROM OUR ANALYSIS, COVERING HISTORY AS IT HAPPENS, LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITOL, THIS IS IT HAPPENS, LIVE FROM OUR NATION'S CAPITOL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH GWEN NATION'S CAPITOL, THIS IS "WASHINGTON WEEK WITH GWEN IFILL."
ONCE AGAIN, LIVE FROM WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
WASHINGTON, MODERATOR GWEN IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
IFILL.
GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
IT'S BEEN A PUZZLING WEEK WITH GWEN: GOOD EVENING.
IT'S BEEN A PUZZLING WEEK WITH MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS ON IT'S BEEN A PUZZLING WEEK WITH MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS ON CRIME, PUNISHMENT, WAR, AND MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS ON CRIME, PUNISHMENT, WAR, AND POLITICS.
CRIME, PUNISHMENT, WAR, AND POLITICS.
WE START WITH THE INVESTIGATION POLITICS.
WE START WITH THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE BOSTON BOMBINGS.
WE START WITH THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE BOSTON BOMBINGS.
DZHOKHAR TSARNAEV IS IN PRISON INTO THE BOSTON BOMBINGS.
DZHOKHAR TSARNAEV IS IN PRISON TONIGHT HELD AS THE PRIME DZHOKHAR TSARNAEV IS IN PRISON TONIGHT HELD AS THE PRIME SURVIVING SUSPECT IN LAST TONIGHT HELD AS THE PRIME SURVIVING SUSPECT IN LAST WEEK'S ATTACKS.
SURVIVING SUSPECT IN LAST WEEK'S ATTACKS.
AND LAWMAKERS ARE DEBATING HOW WEEK'S ATTACKS.
AND LAWMAKERS ARE DEBATING HOW TO STOP IT FROM HAPPENING AND LAWMAKERS ARE DEBATING HOW TO STOP IT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.
TO STOP IT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.
>> WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT AGAIN.
>> WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT BIN LADEN MAY BE DEAD, BUT THE >> WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT BIN LADEN MAY BE DEAD, BUT THE WAR AGAINST RADICAL ISLAM IS BIN LADEN MAY BE DEAD, BUT THE WAR AGAINST RADICAL ISLAM IS VERY MUCH ALIVE.
WAR AGAINST RADICAL ISLAM IS VERY MUCH ALIVE.
RADICAL ISLAM IS ON THE MARCH.
VERY MUCH ALIVE.
RADICAL ISLAM IS ON THE MARCH.
AND WE NEED TO UP OUR GAME.
RADICAL ISLAM IS ON THE MARCH.
AND WE NEED TO UP OUR GAME.
>> I THINK THE WORLD HAS HAD AND WE NEED TO UP OUR GAME.
>> I THINK THE WORLD HAS HAD ENOUGH OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO >> I THINK THE WORLD HAS HAD ENOUGH OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO BELIEF SYSTEM, NO POLICY FOR ENOUGH OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO BELIEF SYSTEM, NO POLICY FOR JOBS, NO POLICY FOR EDUCATION, BELIEF SYSTEM, NO POLICY FOR JOBS, NO POLICY FOR EDUCATION, NO POLICY FOR RULE OF LAW, BUT JOBS, NO POLICY FOR EDUCATION, NO POLICY FOR RULE OF LAW, BUT WHO JUST WANT TO KILL PEOPLE NO POLICY FOR RULE OF LAW, BUT WHO JUST WANT TO KILL PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT WHO JUST WANT TO KILL PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY SEE.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY SEE.
THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR THAT.
THEY SEE.
THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR THAT.
GWEN: BUT WHAT TO DO?
THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR THAT.
GWEN: BUT WHAT TO DO?
REVOKE THE SUSPECTS' GWEN: BUT WHAT TO DO?
REVOKE THE SUSPECTS' CITIZENSHIP?
REVOKE THE SUSPECTS' CITIZENSHIP?
REFUSE TO EXTEND THE RIGHT TO CITIZENSHIP?
REFUSE TO EXTEND THE RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION?
REFUSE TO EXTEND THE RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION?
FIND A NEW WAY TO DISTINGUISH LEGAL REPRESENTATION?
FIND A NEW WAY TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN LONE THREATS AND AL FIND A NEW WAY TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN LONE THREATS AND AL QAEDA THREATS?
BETWEEN LONE THREATS AND AL QAEDA THREATS?
ALL THOSE THINGS AND MORE QAEDA THREATS?
ALL THOSE THINGS AND MORE APPEAR TO AT LEASBET ON THE ALL THOSE THINGS AND MORE APPEAR TO AT LEASBET ON THE TABLE.
APPEAR TO AT LEASBET ON THE TABLE.
SO WHAT OF THOSE THINGS IS UP TABLE.
SO WHAT OF THOSE THINGS IS UP FIRST?
SO WHAT OF THOSE THINGS IS UP FIRST?
>> WELL, I THINK DETERMINING FIRST?
>> WELL, I THINK DETERMINING WHETHER IT'S LONE WOLF OR >> WELL, I THINK DETERMINING WHETHER IT'S LONE WOLF OR WHETHER THERE WAS SOME DISTINCT WHETHER IT'S LONE WOLF OR WHETHER THERE WAS SOME DISTINCT LINK TO TERRORISM.
WHETHER THERE WAS SOME DISTINCT LINK TO TERRORISM.
I THINK THAT'S -- OR EXTREMISTS LINK TO TERRORISM.
I THINK THAT'S -- OR EXTREMISTS ABROAD.
I THINK THAT'S -- OR EXTREMISTS ABROAD.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON ABROAD.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON RIGHT NOW.
I THINK INITIALLY THEY THINK, RIGHT NOW.
I THINK INITIALLY THEY THINK, YES, THEY'RE LONE WOLVES.
I THINK INITIALLY THEY THINK, YES, THEY'RE LONE WOLVES.
THERE'S NO THREAT RIGHT NOW IN YES, THEY'RE LONE WOLVES.
THERE'S NO THREAT RIGHT NOW IN BOSTON.
THERE'S NO THREAT RIGHT NOW IN BOSTON.
BUT IS THERE A LINK IN THEIR BOSTON.
BUT IS THERE A LINK IN THEIR HOMELAND?
BUT IS THERE A LINK IN THEIR HOMELAND?
WAS OR WERE -- WAS THE OLDER HOMELAND?
WAS OR WERE -- WAS THE OLDER BROTHER UP TO SOMETHING WHEN HE WAS OR WERE -- WAS THE OLDER BROTHER UP TO SOMETHING WHEN HE VISITED RUSSIA?
BROTHER UP TO SOMETHING WHEN HE VISITED RUSSIA?
I MEAN, MY REPORTING IS THAT HE VISITED RUSSIA?
I MEAN, MY REPORTING IS THAT HE MET WITH EXTREMISTS AT SOME I MEAN, MY REPORTING IS THAT HE MET WITH EXTREMISTS AT SOME POINT THERE.
MET WITH EXTREMISTS AT SOME POINT THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY REALLY DO POINT THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY REALLY DO WANT TO DIVE INTO NOW, TO SEE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY REALLY DO WANT TO DIVE INTO NOW, TO SEE IF THIS IS BIGGER, TO SEE IF WANT TO DIVE INTO NOW, TO SEE IF THIS IS BIGGER, TO SEE IF THERE ARE LOTS MORE LONE WOLVES IF THIS IS BIGGER, TO SEE IF THERE ARE LOTS MORE LONE WOLVES OUT THERE, TO SEE IF THEY ALL THERE ARE LOTS MORE LONE WOLVES OUT THERE, TO SEE IF THEY ALL COME TOGETHER AND SPREAD OUT OUT THERE, TO SEE IF THEY ALL COME TOGETHER AND SPREAD OUT AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS.
COME TOGETHER AND SPREAD OUT AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS.
GWEN: LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS.
GWEN: LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THESE TWO BROTHERS, THE GWEN: LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THESE TWO BROTHERS, THE TSARNAEV BROTHERS, JAMES.
THESE TWO BROTHERS, THE TSARNAEV BROTHERS, JAMES.
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THEIR TSARNAEV BROTHERS, JAMES.
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIP AND THE DEGREE TO WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIP AND THE DEGREE TO WHICH THIS PLOT IS SOMETHING RELATIONSHIP AND THE DEGREE TO WHICH THIS PLOT IS SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN HATCHED OVER A WHICH THIS PLOT IS SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN HATCHED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME?
THAT HAD BEEN HATCHED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME?
>> WELL, APPARENTLY, IF YOU PERIOD OF TIME?
>> WELL, APPARENTLY, IF YOU BELIEVE THE INTERROGATION OF >> WELL, APPARENTLY, IF YOU BELIEVE THE INTERROGATION OF THE YOUNGER BROTHER IN OUR BELIEVE THE INTERROGATION OF THE YOUNGER BROTHER IN OUR CUSTODY BADLY WOUNDED, IT WAS THE YOUNGER BROTHER IN OUR CUSTODY BADLY WOUNDED, IT WAS ONLY WITHIN LAST COUPLE OF CUSTODY BADLY WOUNDED, IT WAS ONLY WITHIN LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS HE WAS RADICALIZED BY HIS ONLY WITHIN LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS HE WAS RADICALIZED BY HIS OLDER BROTHER WHO WAS THE WEEKS HE WAS RADICALIZED BY HIS OLDER BROTHER WHO WAS THE BRAINS BEHIND THIS PLOT.
OLDER BROTHER WHO WAS THE BRAINS BEHIND THIS PLOT.
I AGREE WITH MARTHA THAT THAT BRAINS BEHIND THIS PLOT.
I AGREE WITH MARTHA THAT THAT SIX MONTHS IN RUSSIA, HE COMES I AGREE WITH MARTHA THAT THAT SIX MONTHS IN RUSSIA, HE COMES BACK, AND SUDDENLY STARTS SIX MONTHS IN RUSSIA, HE COMES BACK, AND SUDDENLY STARTS POSTING JIHADI VIDEOS ON A BACK, AND SUDDENLY STARTS POSTING JIHADI VIDEOS ON A YOUTUBE WEBSITE.
POSTING JIHADI VIDEOS ON A YOUTUBE WEBSITE.
INDICATES SOMETHING HAPPENED IN YOUTUBE WEBSITE.
INDICATES SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THAT TIME.
INDICATES SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THAT TIME.
WHETHER IT WAS CONNECTED TO AN THAT TIME.
WHETHER IT WAS CONNECTED TO AN ORGANIZED TERROR GROUP FOR THE WHETHER IT WAS CONNECTED TO AN ORGANIZED TERROR GROUP FOR THE WE DON'T KNOW YET.
ORGANIZED TERROR GROUP FOR THE WE DON'T KNOW YET.
I WILL SAY WHAT'S INTERESTING WE DON'T KNOW YET.
I WILL SAY WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS HE WAS PINGED BY OUR I WILL SAY WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS HE WAS PINGED BY OUR COUNTERTERRORISM FORCES.
TO ME IS HE WAS PINGED BY OUR COUNTERTERRORISM FORCES.
HE WAS INTERVIEWED BY THE COUNTERTERRORISM FORCES.
HE WAS INTERVIEWED BY THE F.B.I.
AT THE BEHEST OF RUSSIA.
HE WAS INTERVIEWED BY THE F.B.I.
AT THE BEHEST OF RUSSIA.
HE GOT ON OUR CALENDAR ALONG -- F.B.I.
AT THE BEHEST OF RUSSIA.
HE GOT ON OUR CALENDAR ALONG -- GWEN: WHICH STARTED IN 2011.
HE GOT ON OUR CALENDAR ALONG -- GWEN: WHICH STARTED IN 2011.
>> RIGHT.
GWEN: WHICH STARTED IN 2011.
>> RIGHT.
>> RUSSIANS WERE CONCERNED >> RIGHT.
>> RUSSIANS WERE CONCERNED BEFORE HE STARTED -- >> RUSSIANS WERE CONCERNED BEFORE HE STARTED -- >> GOT ON THE WATCH LIST WITH BEFORE HE STARTED -- >> GOT ON THE WATCH LIST WITH HIS MOTHER AND A CUSTOMS AND >> GOT ON THE WATCH LIST WITH HIS MOTHER AND A CUSTOMS AND BORDER CONTROL AGENT WAS PINGED HIS MOTHER AND A CUSTOMS AND BORDER CONTROL AGENT WAS PINGED THAT HE WAS RETURNING TO THE BORDER CONTROL AGENT WAS PINGED THAT HE WAS RETURNING TO THE COUNTRY AFTER AN EXTENDED STAY THAT HE WAS RETURNING TO THE COUNTRY AFTER AN EXTENDED STAY IN RUSSIA.
COUNTRY AFTER AN EXTENDED STAY IN RUSSIA.
WHAT IT SHOWS EVEN WHEN THESE IN RUSSIA.
WHAT IT SHOWS EVEN WHEN THESE GUYS ARE ON YOUR RADAR, YOU WHAT IT SHOWS EVEN WHEN THESE GUYS ARE ON YOUR RADAR, YOU DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THESE GUYS ARE ON YOUR RADAR, YOU DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THESE GUYS HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THESE GUYS HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG YET AND YOU HAVE LIMITED GUYS HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG YET AND YOU HAVE LIMITED MANPOWER, IT'S VERY HARD TO GET YET AND YOU HAVE LIMITED MANPOWER, IT'S VERY HARD TO GET TO THE LEFT OF THE BOOM AS THEY MANPOWER, IT'S VERY HARD TO GET TO THE LEFT OF THE BOOM AS THEY SAY.
TO THE LEFT OF THE BOOM AS THEY SAY.
GWEN: -- SAY.
GWEN: -- >> YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH BAND GWEN: -- >> YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH BAND WITHWHEN YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE -- >> YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH BAND WITHWHEN YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE -- BANDWIDTH WHEN YOU LOOK AT WITHWHEN YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE -- BANDWIDTH WHEN YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE.
BANDWIDTH WHEN YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE.
WE FOCUSED ON THE MIDEAST OR PEOPLE.
WE FOCUSED ON THE MIDEAST OR PAKISTAN, CERTAINLY NOT IN RUSS WE FOCUSED ON THE MIDEAST OR PAKISTAN, CERTAINLY NOT IN RUSS YAFMENT BECAUSE THEY -- IN PAKISTAN, CERTAINLY NOT IN RUSS YAFMENT BECAUSE THEY -- IN RUSSIA.
YAFMENT BECAUSE THEY -- IN RUSSIA.
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CONSIDER IT RUSSIA.
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CONSIDER IT A THREAT.
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CONSIDER IT A THREAT.
>> HOW MUCH DID WE KNOW ABOUT A THREAT.
>> HOW MUCH DID WE KNOW ABOUT HIM AS WE COMBED BACK THROUGH >> HOW MUCH DID WE KNOW ABOUT HIM AS WE COMBED BACK THROUGH ALL OF THIS?
HIM AS WE COMBED BACK THROUGH ALL OF THIS?
AND SECOND IS, DID WE REALLY ALL OF THIS?
AND SECOND IS, DID WE REALLY MISS SOMETHING?
AND SECOND IS, DID WE REALLY MISS SOMETHING?
DID -- DOES THE POST 9-11 MISS SOMETHING?
DID -- DOES THE POST 9-11 SYSTEM STILL HAVE HOLES IN IT?
DID -- DOES THE POST 9-11 SYSTEM STILL HAVE HOLES IN IT?
>> WE DON'T KNOW A LOT.
SYSTEM STILL HAVE HOLES IN IT?
>> WE DON'T KNOW A LOT.
SO IT'S HARD TO SAY WHETHER WE >> WE DON'T KNOW A LOT.
SO IT'S HARD TO SAY WHETHER WE MISSED SOMETHING.
SO IT'S HARD TO SAY WHETHER WE MISSED SOMETHING.
BUT WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR WOULD MISSED SOMETHING.
BUT WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE KNEW THESE GUYS BUT WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE KNEW THESE GUYS WERE -- HAD ROOTS IN CHECHNYA, SUGGEST THAT WE KNEW THESE GUYS WERE -- HAD ROOTS IN CHECHNYA, WE KNOW THAT'S A CONFLICT ZONE, WERE -- HAD ROOTS IN CHECHNYA, WE KNOW THAT'S A CONFLICT ZONE, MUSLIM SEPARATISTS CONFLICT WE KNOW THAT'S A CONFLICT ZONE, MUSLIM SEPARATISTS CONFLICT ZONE WHERE A LOT OF THE PROFILE MUSLIM SEPARATISTS CONFLICT ZONE WHERE A LOT OF THE PROFILE FITS FOR THESE TERRORISTS.
ZONE WHERE A LOT OF THE PROFILE FITS FOR THESE TERRORISTS.
IF YOU LOOK AT MADRID AND FITS FOR THESE TERRORISTS.
IF YOU LOOK AT MADRID AND LONDON, AND THE NEW YORK IF YOU LOOK AT MADRID AND LONDON, AND THE NEW YORK BOMBER, THEY ALL COME FROM SOME LONDON, AND THE NEW YORK BOMBER, THEY ALL COME FROM SOME MUSLIM AREA THAT'S IN A BOMBER, THEY ALL COME FROM SOME MUSLIM AREA THAT'S IN A CONFLICT.
MUSLIM AREA THAT'S IN A CONFLICT.
WHETHER PAKISTAN OR IN CANADA, CONFLICT.
WHETHER PAKISTAN OR IN CANADA, THIS WEEK, THERE WAS TWO -- WHETHER PAKISTAN OR IN CANADA, THIS WEEK, THERE WAS TWO -- ARRESTS OF TWO TERRORISTS THIS WEEK, THERE WAS TWO -- ARRESTS OF TWO TERRORISTS ATTACHED TO THE PALESTINIAN ARRESTS OF TWO TERRORISTS ATTACHED TO THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE.
ATTACHED TO THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE.
SO THERE'S -- THESE -- THIS CAUSE.
SO THERE'S -- THESE -- THIS PROFILE, THESE GUYS FIT A SO THERE'S -- THESE -- THIS PROFILE, THESE GUYS FIT A PROFILE OF LONE WOLF THAT GET PROFILE, THESE GUYS FIT A PROFILE OF LONE WOLF THAT GET RADICALIZED ON THEIR OWN AND PROFILE OF LONE WOLF THAT GET RADICALIZED ON THEIR OWN AND BASICALLY HAVE A HARD TIME RADICALIZED ON THEIR OWN AND BASICALLY HAVE A HARD TIME ASSIMILATING INTO FOREIGN BASICALLY HAVE A HARD TIME ASSIMILATING INTO FOREIGN SOCIETY.
ASSIMILATING INTO FOREIGN SOCIETY.
GWEN: AND HE LIVED IN THE SOCIETY.
GWEN: AND HE LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES.
GWEN: AND HE LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES.
THEY BOTH -- BOTH IN THE UNITED UNITED STATES.
THEY BOTH -- BOTH IN THE UNITED STATES.
THEY BOTH -- BOTH IN THE UNITED STATES.
THE BROTHER -- STATES.
THE BROTHER -- GWEN: THE YOUNGER ONE -- THE BROTHER -- GWEN: THE YOUNGER ONE -- >> THE YOUNGER ONE WAS A GWEN: THE YOUNGER ONE -- >> THE YOUNGER ONE WAS A CITIZEN BUT FOCUSING ON THE >> THE YOUNGER ONE WAS A CITIZEN BUT FOCUSING ON THE OLDER BROTHER IN PARTICULAR.
CITIZEN BUT FOCUSING ON THE OLDER BROTHER IN PARTICULAR.
THERE ARE ALL KINDS, HUNDREDS OLDER BROTHER IN PARTICULAR.
THERE ARE ALL KINDS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ON SOME THERE ARE ALL KINDS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ON SOME OF THESE LISTS.
OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ON SOME OF THESE LISTS.
AND YET A VERY, VERY SMALL OF THESE LISTS.
AND YET A VERY, VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE, I THINK, FEWER THAN AND YET A VERY, VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE, I THINK, FEWER THAN 5%, ARE ACTUALLY LIVING IN THE PERCENTAGE, I THINK, FEWER THAN 5%, ARE ACTUALLY LIVING IN THE UNITED STATES.
5%, ARE ACTUALLY LIVING IN THE UNITED STATES.
LEGALLY OR ARE AMERICAN UNITED STATES.
LEGALLY OR ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS.
LEGALLY OR ARE AMERICAN CITIZENS.
SO SHOULD E FTH.B.I., SHOULD CITIZENS.
SO SHOULD E FTH.B.I., SHOULD SOMEONE HAVE KEPT A FOCUS MORE SO SHOULD E FTH.B.I., SHOULD SOMEONE HAVE KEPT A FOCUS MORE ON HIM BECAUSE HE WAS HERE?
SOMEONE HAVE KEPT A FOCUS MORE ON HIM BECAUSE HE WAS HERE?
>> WHAT ROLE DO THE RUSSIANS ON HIM BECAUSE HE WAS HERE?
>> WHAT ROLE DO THE RUSSIANS PLAY IN THIS?
>> WHAT ROLE DO THE RUSSIANS PLAY IN THIS?
THEY TIPPED US OFF TO HIM, THE PLAY IN THIS?
THEY TIPPED US OFF TO HIM, THE OLDER BROTHER IN THE BEGINNING.
THEY TIPPED US OFF TO HIM, THE OLDER BROTHER IN THE BEGINNING.
IS RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE PLAYING OLDER BROTHER IN THE BEGINNING.
IS RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE PLAYING A ROLE IN THIS OR RELYING ON IS RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE PLAYING A ROLE IN THIS OR RELYING ON U.S. INTELLIGENCE?
A ROLE IN THIS OR RELYING ON U.S. INTELLIGENCE?
>> I'M SURE THEY'RE TALKING TO U.S. INTELLIGENCE?
>> I'M SURE THEY'RE TALKING TO RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE AND A >> I'M SURE THEY'RE TALKING TO RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE AND A PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP IN RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE AND A PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP IN TERMS OF COUNTERTERRORISM PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP IN TERMS OF COUNTERTERRORISM BETWEEN THE RUSSIANS AND THE TERMS OF COUNTERTERRORISM BETWEEN THE RUSSIANS AND THE U.S.
BETWEEN THE RUSSIANS AND THE U.S.
BUT SOMETHING MADE THE RUSSIANS U.S.
BUT SOMETHING MADE THE RUSSIANS HAVE A RED FLAG.
BUT SOMETHING MADE THE RUSSIANS HAVE A RED FLAG.
AND I WOULD SURMISE THAT THEY HAVE A RED FLAG.
AND I WOULD SURMISE THAT THEY PROBABLY HAD SOME SORT OF AND I WOULD SURMISE THAT THEY PROBABLY HAD SOME SORT OF COMMUNICATION FROM THE OLDER PROBABLY HAD SOME SORT OF COMMUNICATION FROM THE OLDER BROTHER TO SOME SORT OF RUSSIAN COMMUNICATION FROM THE OLDER BROTHER TO SOME SORT OF RUSSIAN EXTREMIST OR SOMEBODY IN BROTHER TO SOME SORT OF RUSSIAN EXTREMIST OR SOMEBODY IN RUSSIA, SOME ISLAMIC EXTREMIST OR SOMEBODY IN RUSSIA, SOME ISLAMIC COMPREEPIST THERE THAT RUSSIA, SOME ISLAMIC COMPREEPIST THERE THAT CONCERNED THE RUSSIANS -- COMPREEPIST THERE THAT CONCERNED THE RUSSIANS -- EXTREMIST THERE THAT OCCURRED CONCERNED THE RUSSIANS -- EXTREMIST THERE THAT OCCURRED THE RUSSIANS AND WHY THEY EXTREMIST THERE THAT OCCURRED THE RUSSIANS AND WHY THEY ALERTED THE UNITED STATES IN THE RUSSIANS AND WHY THEY ALERTED THE UNITED STATES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
ALERTED THE UNITED STATES IN THE FIRST PLACE.
PROBABLY MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FIRST PLACE.
PROBABLY MORE CONCERNED ABOUT US -- PROBABLY MORE CONCERNED ABOUT US -- GWEN: AND SELF-RADICALIZATION, US -- GWEN: AND SELF-RADICALIZATION, WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT THIS.
GWEN: AND SELF-RADICALIZATION, WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT THIS.
>> THERE'S PLENTY OF THEM.
WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT THIS.
>> THERE'S PLENTY OF THEM.
F.B.I.
HAS DONE SCORES OF >> THERE'S PLENTY OF THEM.
F.B.I.
HAS DONE SCORES OF STINGS WHERE THEY SORT OF PICK F.B.I.
HAS DONE SCORES OF STINGS WHERE THEY SORT OF PICK UP ON THE INTERNET THAT THESE STINGS WHERE THEY SORT OF PICK UP ON THE INTERNET THAT THESE GUYS ARE -- WANT TO LAUNCH AN UP ON THE INTERNET THAT THESE GUYS ARE -- WANT TO LAUNCH AN ATTACK AND WANT TO GET GUYS ARE -- WANT TO LAUNCH AN ATTACK AND WANT TO GET INVOLVED.
ATTACK AND WANT TO GET INVOLVED.
THEY SEND AN INFORMANT IN THERE INVOLVED.
THEY SEND AN INFORMANT IN THERE AND HAVE -- LET THEM SPIN THEIR THEY SEND AN INFORMANT IN THERE AND HAVE -- LET THEM SPIN THEIR PLOT AND ARREST THEM.
AND HAVE -- LET THEM SPIN THEIR PLOT AND ARREST THEM.
>> FORTE HOOD.
PLOT AND ARREST THEM.
>> FORTE HOOD.
>> FORTE HOOD ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
>> FORTE HOOD.
>> FORTE HOOD ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
>> THAT WAS >> FORTE HOOD ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
>> THAT WAS SELF-RADICALIZATION.
>> THAT WAS SELF-RADICALIZATION.
AND THEY'RE INSPIRED.
SELF-RADICALIZATION.
AND THEY'RE INSPIRED.
AND THEY READ THE MAGAZINES.
AND THEY'RE INSPIRED.
AND THEY READ THE MAGAZINES.
AND THEN THEY KNOW HOW TO DO AND THEY READ THE MAGAZINES.
AND THEN THEY KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
AND THEN THEY KNOW HOW TO DO IT.
>> THE LONDON BOMBERS HAD A IT.
>> THE LONDON BOMBERS HAD A CONNECTION TO AL QAEDA IN >> THE LONDON BOMBERS HAD A CONNECTION TO AL QAEDA IN PAKISTAN.
CONNECTION TO AL QAEDA IN PAKISTAN.
GWEN: WEREN'T NECESSARILY -- PAKISTAN.
GWEN: WEREN'T NECESSARILY -- >> YOU WOULDN'T CALL THEM GWEN: WEREN'T NECESSARILY -- >> YOU WOULDN'T CALL THEM SELF--- THEY SORT OF JOINED.
>> YOU WOULDN'T CALL THEM SELF--- THEY SORT OF JOINED.
BUT THEN THEY -- THE KNOW HOW SELF--- THEY SORT OF JOINED.
BUT THEN THEY -- THE KNOW HOW WAS SUPPLIED BY AL QAEDA CORE BUT THEN THEY -- THE KNOW HOW WAS SUPPLIED BY AL QAEDA CORE WHICH IS WHY THE ATTACK THERE WAS SUPPLIED BY AL QAEDA CORE WHICH IS WHY THE ATTACK THERE WAS SO DEVASTATING.
WHICH IS WHY THE ATTACK THERE WAS SO DEVASTATING.
GWEN: THERE WAS ANOTHER WAS SO DEVASTATING.
GWEN: THERE WAS ANOTHER DISTURBING DEVELOPMENT THIS GWEN: THERE WAS ANOTHER DISTURBING DEVELOPMENT THIS WEEK WITH POTENTIALLY WIDE DISTURBING DEVELOPMENT THIS WEEK WITH POTENTIALLY WIDE RANGING CONSEQUENCES.
WEEK WITH POTENTIALLY WIDE RANGING CONSEQUENCES.
IT TURNS OUT THAT IN SYRIA, RANGING CONSEQUENCES.
IT TURNS OUT THAT IN SYRIA, WHERE TENS OF THOUSANDS HAVE IT TURNS OUT THAT IN SYRIA, WHERE TENS OF THOUSANDS HAVE PERISHED IN A GRINDING CIVIL WHERE TENS OF THOUSANDS HAVE PERISHED IN A GRINDING CIVIL WAR, GOVERNMENT FORCES MAY HAVE PERISHED IN A GRINDING CIVIL WAR, GOVERNMENT FORCES MAY HAVE CROSSED -- A RED LINE.
WAR, GOVERNMENT FORCES MAY HAVE CROSSED -- A RED LINE.
RED LINE.
CROSSED -- A RED LINE.
RED LINE.
THAT COLOR IS IMPORTANT.
RED LINE.
THAT COLOR IS IMPORTANT.
THIS IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID THAT COLOR IS IMPORTANT.
THIS IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID LAST AUGUST.
THIS IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID LAST AUGUST.
>> WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR TO LAST AUGUST.
>> WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR TO TO THE ASSAD REGIME AND ALSO TO >> WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR TO TO THE ASSAD REGIME AND ALSO TO OTHER PLAYERS ON THE GROUND TO THE ASSAD REGIME AND ALSO TO OTHER PLAYERS ON THE GROUND THAT A RED LINE FOR US IS WE OTHER PLAYERS ON THE GROUND THAT A RED LINE FOR US IS WE START SEEING A WHOLE BUNCH OF THAT A RED LINE FOR US IS WE START SEEING A WHOLE BUNCH OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS MOVING AROUND START SEEING A WHOLE BUNCH OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS MOVING AROUND OR BEING UTILIZED.
CHEMICAL WEAPONS MOVING AROUND OR BEING UTILIZED.
THAT WOULD CHANGE MY CALCULUS.
OR BEING UTILIZED.
THAT WOULD CHANGE MY CALCULUS.
GWEN: NOW, THIS IS WHAT THE THAT WOULD CHANGE MY CALCULUS.
GWEN: NOW, THIS IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAD TO SAY TODAY.
GWEN: NOW, THIS IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAD TO SAY TODAY.
>> KNOWING THAT POTENTIALLY PRESIDENT HAD TO SAY TODAY.
>> KNOWING THAT POTENTIALLY CHEMICAL WEAPONS HAVE BEEN USED >> KNOWING THAT POTENTIALLY CHEMICAL WEAPONS HAVE BEEN USED INSIDE OF SYRIA DOESN'T TELL US CHEMICAL WEAPONS HAVE BEEN USED INSIDE OF SYRIA DOESN'T TELL US WHEN THEY WERE USED, HOW D. INSIDE OF SYRIA DOESN'T TELL US WHEN THEY WERE USED, HOW D. SO THIS IS NOT AN ON OR OFF WHEN THEY WERE USED, HOW D. SO THIS IS NOT AN ON OR OFF SWITCH.
SO THIS IS NOT AN ON OR OFF SWITCH.
THIS IS AN ONGOING CHALLENGE SWITCH.
THIS IS AN ONGOING CHALLENGE THAT ALL OF US HAVE TO BE THIS IS AN ONGOING CHALLENGE THAT ALL OF US HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
THAT ALL OF US HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
GWEN: HAS THE CALCULUS CHANGED CONCERNED ABOUT.
GWEN: HAS THE CALCULUS CHANGED OR HASN'T IT?
GWEN: HAS THE CALCULUS CHANGED OR HASN'T IT?
>> I THINK THE CALCULUS HAS OR HASN'T IT?
>> I THINK THE CALCULUS HAS CHANGED.
>> I THINK THE CALCULUS HAS CHANGED.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE CHANGED.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO GO LAUNCH AN ATTACK ON BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO GO LAUNCH AN ATTACK ON THE SYRIAN REGIME TOMORROW OR GOING TO GO LAUNCH AN ATTACK ON THE SYRIAN REGIME TOMORROW OR ANY TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
THE SYRIAN REGIME TOMORROW OR ANY TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
BUT I THINK THEY ARE ALREADY ANY TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
BUT I THINK THEY ARE ALREADY LEANING TOWARD A MUCH MORE BUT I THINK THEY ARE ALREADY LEANING TOWARD A MUCH MORE ASSERTIVE POSTURE, ADVICE VEE LEANING TOWARD A MUCH MORE ASSERTIVE POSTURE, ADVICE VEE THE SYRIAN REBELLION -- ASSERTIVE POSTURE, ADVICE VEE THE SYRIAN REBELLION -- VIS-A-VIS THE SYRIAN REBELLION THE SYRIAN REBELLION -- VIS-A-VIS THE SYRIAN REBELLION AND DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF AID VIS-A-VIS THE SYRIAN REBELLION AND DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF AID THEY'VE GIVEN TO SYRIAN TROOPS AND DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF AID THEY'VE GIVEN TO SYRIAN TROOPS ON THE GROUND FIGHTING THEY'VE GIVEN TO SYRIAN TROOPS ON THE GROUND FIGHTING INCLUDING NONLETHAL AID LIKE ON THE GROUND FIGHTING INCLUDING NONLETHAL AID LIKE BODY ARMOR AND COMMUNICATIONS INCLUDING NONLETHAL AID LIKE BODY ARMOR AND COMMUNICATIONS AND MEDICAL KITS.
BODY ARMOR AND COMMUNICATIONS AND MEDICAL KITS.
THEY WERE ALREADY DOING THAT.
AND MEDICAL KITS.
THEY WERE ALREADY DOING THAT.
NOW THEY'RE BEING PUSHED VERY THEY WERE ALREADY DOING THAT.
NOW THEY'RE BEING PUSHED VERY HARD BECAUSE THEY HAD THIS RED NOW THEY'RE BEING PUSHED VERY HARD BECAUSE THEY HAD THIS RED LINE.
HARD BECAUSE THEY HAD THIS RED LINE.
AND IT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN LINE.
AND IT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN CROSSED.
AND IT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN CROSSED.
THEY DON'T WANT TO GET PUSHED CROSSED.
THEY DON'T WANT TO GET PUSHED INTO GOING TOO FAR, TOO FAST.
THEY DON'T WANT TO GET PUSHED INTO GOING TOO FAR, TOO FAST.
BUT THEY SAID THAT NO OPTIONS INTO GOING TOO FAR, TOO FAST.
BUT THEY SAID THAT NO OPTIONS OFF THE TABLE.
BUT THEY SAID THAT NO OPTIONS OFF THE TABLE.
THEY'RE GOING TO CONSULT WITH OFF THE TABLE.
THEY'RE GOING TO CONSULT WITH THEIR ALLIES I WAS AT DINNER THEY'RE GOING TO CONSULT WITH THEIR ALLIES I WAS AT DINNER WITH THE HEAD OF QATAR AND THEIR ALLIES I WAS AT DINNER WITH THE HEAD OF QATAR AND SUPPLYING ARMS TO THE SYRIAN WITH THE HEAD OF QATAR AND SUPPLYING ARMS TO THE SYRIAN REBELS.
SUPPLYING ARMS TO THE SYRIAN REBELS.
AND HE SAID, LOOK, AND HE WAS REBELS.
AND HE SAID, LOOK, AND HE WAS JUST TALKED TO OBAMA THE OTHER AND HE SAID, LOOK, AND HE WAS JUST TALKED TO OBAMA THE OTHER DAY BEFORE FOR TWO HOURS, AND JUST TALKED TO OBAMA THE OTHER DAY BEFORE FOR TWO HOURS, AND SAID, YOU NO, HE'S GONE FROM DAY BEFORE FOR TWO HOURS, AND SAID, YOU NO, HE'S GONE FROM BULLETS TO TANKS TO AIRCRAFT TO SAID, YOU NO, HE'S GONE FROM BULLETS TO TANKS TO AIRCRAFT TO ROCKETS, SCUD ROCKETS AND NOW BULLETS TO TANKS TO AIRCRAFT TO ROCKETS, SCUD ROCKETS AND NOW TO CHEMICALS.
ROCKETS, SCUD ROCKETS AND NOW TO CHEMICALS.
HE'S ESCALATING AND TESTING OUR TO CHEMICALS.
HE'S ESCALATING AND TESTING OUR LIMITS.
HE'S ESCALATING AND TESTING OUR LIMITS.
AND HE'S CROSSING ALL OUR RED LIMITS.
AND HE'S CROSSING ALL OUR RED LINES AND UNTIL WE DO AND HE'S CROSSING ALL OUR RED LINES AND UNTIL WE DO SOMETHING, HE'LL KEEP LINES AND UNTIL WE DO SOMETHING, HE'LL KEEP ESCALATING.
SOMETHING, HE'LL KEEP ESCALATING.
SO I THINK THERE WILL BE SOME ESCALATING.
SO I THINK THERE WILL BE SOME MOVE.
SO I THINK THERE WILL BE SOME MOVE.
THE FIRST MOVE WOULD OBVIOUSLY MOVE.
THE FIRST MOVE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE TO GET OFF THE DIME AND THE FIRST MOVE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE TO GET OFF THE DIME AND ACTUALLY HELP ARM THE REBELS BE TO GET OFF THE DIME AND ACTUALLY HELP ARM THE REBELS AND -- SO THEY CAN TAKE OUT -- ACTUALLY HELP ARM THE REBELS AND -- SO THEY CAN TAKE OUT -- OR AT LEAST PROTECT THEMSELVES AND -- SO THEY CAN TAKE OUT -- OR AT LEAST PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM SYRIAN AIR POWER.
OR AT LEAST PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM SYRIAN AIR POWER.
GWEN: DOES IT SEEM LIKE A FROM SYRIAN AIR POWER.
GWEN: DOES IT SEEM LIKE A TURNING POINT TO YOU, MARTHA?
GWEN: DOES IT SEEM LIKE A TURNING POINT TO YOU, MARTHA?
>> IT DOES NOT.
TURNING POINT TO YOU, MARTHA?
>> IT DOES NOT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT.
>> IT DOES NOT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT.
I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A AS A MATTER OF FACT.
I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A TURNING POINT.
I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A TURNING POINT.
AND WE'VE HEARD PRESIDENT OBAMA TURNING POINT.
AND WE'VE HEARD PRESIDENT OBAMA TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN AND AND WE'VE HEARD PRESIDENT OBAMA TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN.
TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN.
THERE WILL BE ENORMOUS AGAIN.
THERE WILL BE ENORMOUS CONSEQUENCES IF THIS IS A RED THERE WILL BE ENORMOUS CONSEQUENCES IF THIS IS A RED LINE.
CONSEQUENCES IF THIS IS A RED LINE.
BUT IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S LINE.
BUT IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S STILL A RATHER GRAY LINE.
BUT IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S STILL A RATHER GRAY LINE.
WHAT YOU HEAR IS IT'S GOT TO BE STILL A RATHER GRAY LINE.
WHAT YOU HEAR IS IT'S GOT TO BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CHEMICAL WHAT YOU HEAR IS IT'S GOT TO BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS MOVING AROUND OR TODAY, A WHOLE BUNCH OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS MOVING AROUND OR TODAY, A SYSTEMATIC USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS MOVING AROUND OR TODAY, A SYSTEMATIC USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS.
A SYSTEMATIC USE OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS.
THEY DEFINITELY -- WEAPONS.
THEY DEFINITELY -- GWEN: HEARING ALL THESE CAVEAT THEY DEFINITELY -- GWEN: HEARING ALL THESE CAVEAT PHRASES.
GWEN: HEARING ALL THESE CAVEAT PHRASES.
>> HE DOES NOT WANT TO GO INTO PHRASES.
>> HE DOES NOT WANT TO GO INTO SYRIA.
>> HE DOES NOT WANT TO GO INTO SYRIA.
HE DOES NOT WANT TO OWN SYRIA SYRIA.
HE DOES NOT WANT TO OWN SYRIA BECAUSE HE KNOWS VERY WELL WHAT HE DOES NOT WANT TO OWN SYRIA BECAUSE HE KNOWS VERY WELL WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF SYRIA IS BECAUSE HE KNOWS VERY WELL WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF SYRIA IS SUDDENLY OUR WAR.
WILL HAPPEN IF SYRIA IS SUDDENLY OUR WAR.
>> THE ATTACKS WERE DESCRIBED SUDDENLY OUR WAR.
>> THE ATTACKS WERE DESCRIBED AS SMALL SCALE.
>> THE ATTACKS WERE DESCRIBED AS SMALL SCALE.
THE CHEMICAL ATTACKS.
AS SMALL SCALE.
THE CHEMICAL ATTACKS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AND WHAT -- THE CHEMICAL ATTACKS.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AND WHAT -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SARIN WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AND WHAT -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SARIN GAS DOES AND WHERE IT RANKS IN I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SARIN GAS DOES AND WHERE IT RANKS IN TERMS OF CHEMICAL WEAPON USE ON GAS DOES AND WHERE IT RANKS IN TERMS OF CHEMICAL WEAPON USE ON PEOPLE.
TERMS OF CHEMICAL WEAPON USE ON PEOPLE.
>> IT'S A NERVE AGENT.
PEOPLE.
>> IT'S A NERVE AGENT.
FIRST OF ALL.
>> IT'S A NERVE AGENT.
FIRST OF ALL.
IT BASICALLY PARALYZES YOU.
FIRST OF ALL.
IT BASICALLY PARALYZES YOU.
AND SUFFOCATES YOU VERY IT BASICALLY PARALYZES YOU.
AND SUFFOCATES YOU VERY QUICKLY.
AND SUFFOCATES YOU VERY QUICKLY.
IF YOU HAVE IT IN LARGE DOSES.
QUICKLY.
IF YOU HAVE IT IN LARGE DOSES.
SMALL SCALE ATTACKS, THEY IF YOU HAVE IT IN LARGE DOSES.
SMALL SCALE ATTACKS, THEY LOOKED AT TWO ATTACKS.
SMALL SCALE ATTACKS, THEY LOOKED AT TWO ATTACKS.
ONE OF THEM, I KNOW I BELIEVE LOOKED AT TWO ATTACKS.
ONE OF THEM, I KNOW I BELIEVE WAS IN -- IN ALEPPO AND ABOUT ONE OF THEM, I KNOW I BELIEVE WAS IN -- IN ALEPPO AND ABOUT 30 PEOPLE DIED.
WAS IN -- IN ALEPPO AND ABOUT 30 PEOPLE DIED.
AND THE OTHER IS BELIEVED TO BE 30 PEOPLE DIED.
AND THE OTHER IS BELIEVED TO BE IN DAMASCUS.
AND THE OTHER IS BELIEVED TO BE IN DAMASCUS.
AND I THINK ABOUT THE SAME IN DAMASCUS.
AND I THINK ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
AND I THINK ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY CONSIDER NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY CONSIDER SMALL SCALE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY CONSIDER SMALL SCALE.
BUT WHEN DOES IT GO TO LARGER SMALL SCALE.
BUT WHEN DOES IT GO TO LARGER SCALE?
BUT WHEN DOES IT GO TO LARGER SCALE?
IF IT'S CHEMICAL WEAPONS IS THE SCALE?
IF IT'S CHEMICAL WEAPONS IS THE LINE.
IF IT'S CHEMICAL WEAPONS IS THE LINE.
IF IT'S USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS, LINE.
IF IT'S USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS, WHAT DOES IT MATTER HOW MANY IF IT'S USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS, WHAT DOES IT MATTER HOW MANY ARE KILLED?
WHAT DOES IT MATTER HOW MANY ARE KILLED?
IF THAT'S THE LINE HE HAS SET?
ARE KILLED?
IF THAT'S THE LINE HE HAS SET?
>> TWO QUESTIONS, ONE IS WHAT IF THAT'S THE LINE HE HAS SET?
>> TWO QUESTIONS, ONE IS WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS THAT WOULD IN >> TWO QUESTIONS, ONE IS WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS THAT WOULD IN FACT SIGNIFICANTLY ESCALATE OUR ARE THE OPTIONS THAT WOULD IN FACT SIGNIFICANTLY ESCALATE OUR INVOLVEMENT?
FACT SIGNIFICANTLY ESCALATE OUR INVOLVEMENT?
WHAT ARE THE REALISTIC OPTIONS?
INVOLVEMENT?
WHAT ARE THE REALISTIC OPTIONS?
AND SECOND, TO WHAT EXTENT HAS WHAT ARE THE REALISTIC OPTIONS?
AND SECOND, TO WHAT EXTENT HAS WHAT HAS NOW HAPPENED AFFECTED AND SECOND, TO WHAT EXTENT HAS WHAT HAS NOW HAPPENED AFFECTED THE DEBATE WITHIN THE WHAT HAS NOW HAPPENED AFFECTED THE DEBATE WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION AND KIND OF THE DEBATE WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION AND KIND OF WHAT'S THE NATURE OF THAT ADMINISTRATION AND KIND OF WHAT'S THE NATURE OF THAT DEBATE?
WHAT'S THE NATURE OF THAT DEBATE?
>> WELL, BEFORE, WE NOW KNOW DEBATE?
>> WELL, BEFORE, WE NOW KNOW THAT SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY >> WELL, BEFORE, WE NOW KNOW THAT SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON WAS ARGUING FOR MUCH THAT SECRETARY OF STATE HILLARY CLINTON WAS ARGUING FOR MUCH MORE ROBUST RESPONSE AGAINST CLINTON WAS ARGUING FOR MUCH MORE ROBUST RESPONSE AGAINST ASSAD.
MORE ROBUST RESPONSE AGAINST ASSAD.
SO WAS DAVID PETRAEUS WHEN HE ASSAD.
SO WAS DAVID PETRAEUS WHEN HE WAS THE HEAD OF THE C.I.A.
SO WAS DAVID PETRAEUS WHEN HE WAS THE HEAD OF THE C.I.A.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT KERRY WAS THE HEAD OF THE C.I.A.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT KERRY AND HAGEL ARE TELLING THE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT KERRY AND HAGEL ARE TELLING THE PRESIDENT.
AND HAGEL ARE TELLING THE PRESIDENT.
BUT CLEARLY THEY ARE BEING PRESIDENT.
BUT CLEARLY THEY ARE BEING PUSHED TOWARD DOING MORE.
BUT CLEARLY THEY ARE BEING PUSHED TOWARD DOING MORE.
AND BEEN PUSHED MOSTLY BY OUR PUSHED TOWARD DOING MORE.
AND BEEN PUSHED MOSTLY BY OUR ALLIES.
AND BEEN PUSHED MOSTLY BY OUR ALLIES.
TURKEY, QATAR, THE GULF STATES, ALLIES.
TURKEY, QATAR, THE GULF STATES, JORDAN, LEBANON.
TURKEY, QATAR, THE GULF STATES, JORDAN, LEBANON.
EVEN THE IRAQIS ARE STARTING TO JORDAN, LEBANON.
EVEN THE IRAQIS ARE STARTING TO FILL THE SPILLOVER FROM ALL THE EVEN THE IRAQIS ARE STARTING TO FILL THE SPILLOVER FROM ALL THE REFUGEES FROM ALL THIS FILL THE SPILLOVER FROM ALL THE REFUGEES FROM ALL THIS SECTARIAN VIOLENCE BETWEEN REFUGEES FROM ALL THIS SECTARIAN VIOLENCE BETWEEN SHIAS AND SUNNIS.
SECTARIAN VIOLENCE BETWEEN SHIAS AND SUNNIS.
THAT FAULT LINE RUNS THROUGH SHIAS AND SUNNIS.
THAT FAULT LINE RUNS THROUGH ALL THOSE COUNTRIES.
THAT FAULT LINE RUNS THROUGH ALL THOSE COUNTRIES.
THEY'RE BEING TOLD VERY, VERY ALL THOSE COUNTRIES.
THEY'RE BEING TOLD VERY, VERY CLEARLY THAT WE NEED AMERICAN THEY'RE BEING TOLD VERY, VERY CLEARLY THAT WE NEED AMERICAN LEADERSHIP TO STEP IN HERE.
CLEARLY THAT WE NEED AMERICAN LEADERSHIP TO STEP IN HERE.
AND I KIND OF DISAGREE WITH LEADERSHIP TO STEP IN HERE.
AND I KIND OF DISAGREE WITH MARTHA ON THIS.
AND I KIND OF DISAGREE WITH MARTHA ON THIS.
I THINK THEY WILL BE PUSHED TO MARTHA ON THIS.
I THINK THEY WILL BE PUSHED TO DO MORE.
I THINK THEY WILL BE PUSHED TO DO MORE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE DO MORE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE DIRECT MILITARY ACTION.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE DIRECT MILITARY ACTION.
BUT THERE'S -- DIRECT MILITARY ACTION.
BUT THERE'S -- >> I THINK THEY COULD ARM THE BUT THERE'S -- >> I THINK THEY COULD ARM THE REBELS.
>> I THINK THEY COULD ARM THE REBELS.
BUT I SHOULD CLARIFY THAT.
REBELS.
BUT I SHOULD CLARIFY THAT.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BUT I SHOULD CLARIFY THAT.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO IN THERE AND -- I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO IN THERE AND -- GWEN: NO-FLY ZONE?
GO IN THERE AND -- GWEN: NO-FLY ZONE?
>> NO-FLY ZONES SOUND SO EASY.
GWEN: NO-FLY ZONE?
>> NO-FLY ZONES SOUND SO EASY.
BUT JUST DON'T FLY HERE.
>> NO-FLY ZONES SOUND SO EASY.
BUT JUST DON'T FLY HERE.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT ALL THE BUT JUST DON'T FLY HERE.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT ALL THE ANTI-AIRCRAFT.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT ALL THE ANTI-AIRCRAFT.
YOU HAVE TO GO IN.
ANTI-AIRCRAFT.
YOU HAVE TO GO IN.
IT'S KINETIC.
YOU HAVE TO GO IN.
IT'S KINETIC.
AND IF SOMEONE SHOOTS, IF IT'S KINETIC.
AND IF SOMEONE SHOOTS, IF SOMEONE SHOOTS AT US, WHEN AND IF SOMEONE SHOOTS, IF SOMEONE SHOOTS AT US, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE OUT, THEN SOMEONE SHOOTS AT US, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE OUT, THEN WHAT DO YOU DO?
WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE OUT, THEN WHAT DO YOU DO?
WHAT WE DON'T RAMSE, AND WE WHAT DO YOU DO?
WHAT WE DON'T RAMSE, AND WE DON'T KNOW HERE IS -- REALIZE, WHAT WE DON'T RAMSE, AND WE DON'T KNOW HERE IS -- REALIZE, AND WE DON'T KNOW MERE IS WHAT DON'T KNOW HERE IS -- REALIZE, AND WE DON'T KNOW MERE IS WHAT THE STRATEGY GOING FORWARD?
AND WE DON'T KNOW MERE IS WHAT THE STRATEGY GOING FORWARD?
DO YOU KEEP RELYING ON THE THE STRATEGY GOING FORWARD?
DO YOU KEEP RELYING ON THE MILITARY AND KEEP PUSHING THE DO YOU KEEP RELYING ON THE MILITARY AND KEEP PUSHING THE MILITARY AS AN OPTION?
MILITARY AND KEEP PUSHING THE MILITARY AS AN OPTION?
GWEN: ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MILITARY AS AN OPTION?
GWEN: ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IT'S -- GWEN: ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IT'S -- DOMESTIC PRESSURE FROM CONGRESS HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND IT'S -- DOMESTIC PRESSURE FROM CONGRESS WILL RAMP UP AS WE KEEP GOING.
DOMESTIC PRESSURE FROM CONGRESS WILL RAMP UP AS WE KEEP GOING.
THANK YOU BOTH.
WILL RAMP UP AS WE KEEP GOING.
THANK YOU BOTH.
WE MOVE ON TO A LITTLE THANK YOU BOTH.
WE MOVE ON TO A LITTLE POLITICS.
WE MOVE ON TO A LITTLE POLITICS.
SELDOM HAS THE ANNOUNCED POLITICS.
SELDOM HAS THE ANNOUNCED RESIGNATION AFTER SINGLE SELDOM HAS THE ANNOUNCED RESIGNATION AFTER SINGLE SENATOR SENT SUCH SHIVERS RESIGNATION AFTER SINGLE SENATOR SENT SUCH SHIVERS THROUGH THE ESTABLISHMENT.
SENATOR SENT SUCH SHIVERS THROUGH THE ESTABLISHMENT.
BUT WHEN MAX BAUCUS A.
PRIME THROUGH THE ESTABLISHMENT.
BUT WHEN MAX BAUCUS A.
PRIME MOVER ON TAX REFORM A.
RENEGADE BUT WHEN MAX BAUCUS A.
PRIME MOVER ON TAX REFORM A.
RENEGADE ON GUN CONTROL, AND ONE OF THE MOVER ON TAX REFORM A.
RENEGADE ON GUN CONTROL, AND ONE OF THE KEY SENATORS PROTECTING THE ON GUN CONTROL, AND ONE OF THE KEY SENATORS PROTECTING THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY, SAID HE IS KEY SENATORS PROTECTING THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY, SAID HE IS QUITTING NEXT YEAR, THE GROUND DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY, SAID HE IS QUITTING NEXT YEAR, THE GROUND SHIFTED JUST A LITTLE BUILT.
QUITTING NEXT YEAR, THE GROUND SHIFTED JUST A LITTLE BUILT.
WHY IN THIS CASE, SUE?
SHIFTED JUST A LITTLE BUILT.
WHY IN THIS CASE, SUE?
>> A COUPLE OF REASONS.
WHY IN THIS CASE, SUE?
>> A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE WAS A SURPRISE.
>> A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE WAS A SURPRISE.
PEOPLE WEREN'T COUNTING ON MAX ONE WAS A SURPRISE.
PEOPLE WEREN'T COUNTING ON MAX BAUCUS TO RETIRE.
PEOPLE WEREN'T COUNTING ON MAX BAUCUS TO RETIRE.
THE INTERNAL, HUGELY BAUCUS TO RETIRE.
THE INTERNAL, HUGELY CONSEQUENTIAL FIGURE IN THE THE INTERNAL, HUGELY CONSEQUENTIAL FIGURE IN THE SENATE FOR THE BETTER PART -- CONSEQUENTIAL FIGURE IN THE SENATE FOR THE BETTER PART -- BEEN SERVING FOR THREE DECADES SENATE FOR THE BETTER PART -- BEEN SERVING FOR THREE DECADES AND FOR ABOUT THE PAST 15 BEEN SERVING FOR THREE DECADES AND FOR ABOUT THE PAST 15 YEARS, HE'S PLAYED AN AND FOR ABOUT THE PAST 15 YEARS, HE'S PLAYED AN INSTRUMENTAL ROLE IN PASSING YEARS, HE'S PLAYED AN INSTRUMENTAL ROLE IN PASSING THINGS FROM THE BUSH TAX CUTS, INSTRUMENTAL ROLE IN PASSING THINGS FROM THE BUSH TAX CUTS, MEDICARE PART D. THINGS FROM THE BUSH TAX CUTS, MEDICARE PART D. MOST RECENTLY TO OBAMA'S HEALTH MEDICARE PART D. MOST RECENTLY TO OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE LAW.
MOST RECENTLY TO OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE LAW.
HIS FINGERPRINTS ARE ALL OVER CARE LAW.
HIS FINGERPRINTS ARE ALL OVER THAT.
HIS FINGERPRINTS ARE ALL OVER THAT.
AND SO FROM THE POLICY, HE'S THAT.
AND SO FROM THE POLICY, HE'S BEEN VERY INFLUENTIAL.
AND SO FROM THE POLICY, HE'S BEEN VERY INFLUENTIAL.
AND THEN FROM THE POLITICS, HE BEEN VERY INFLUENTIAL.
AND THEN FROM THE POLITICS, HE COMES FROM MONTANA.
AND THEN FROM THE POLITICS, HE COMES FROM MONTANA.
A STATE THAT BARACK OBAMA LOST COMES FROM MONTANA.
A STATE THAT BARACK OBAMA LOST BY DOUBLE DIGITS AS ONE OF A STATE THAT BARACK OBAMA LOST BY DOUBLE DIGITS AS ONE OF SEVEN STATES THAT HAS A BY DOUBLE DIGITS AS ONE OF SEVEN STATES THAT HAS A DEMOCRAT IN THE SENATE RIGHT SEVEN STATES THAT HAS A DEMOCRAT IN THE SENATE RIGHT NOW THAT THEY HAVE TO DEFEND DEMOCRAT IN THE SENATE RIGHT NOW THAT THEY HAVE TO DEFEND NEXT YEAR.
NOW THAT THEY HAVE TO DEFEND NEXT YEAR.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE RADAR NEXT YEAR.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE RADAR START GOING UP AGAIN AS THESE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE RADAR START GOING UP AGAIN AS THESE ARE THE KIND OF STATES AND START GOING UP AGAIN AS THESE ARE THE KIND OF STATES AND THESE ARE THE KIND OF RACES ARE THE KIND OF STATES AND THESE ARE THE KIND OF RACES THAT PUT THE SENATE IN PLAY.
THESE ARE THE KIND OF RACES THAT PUT THE SENATE IN PLAY.
>> THE WHITE HOUSE, PROBLEMATIC THAT PUT THE SENATE IN PLAY.
>> THE WHITE HOUSE, PROBLEMATIC ALLY?
>> THE WHITE HOUSE, PROBLEMATIC ALLY?
>> WELL, THIS IS MAX BAUCUS.
ALLY?
>> WELL, THIS IS MAX BAUCUS.
IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK.
>> WELL, THIS IS MAX BAUCUS.
IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK.
EVERYONE HAS OPINION ABOUT HIM.
IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK.
EVERYONE HAS OPINION ABOUT HIM.
WHICH IS ALSO WHY HE SAW SUCH A EVERYONE HAS OPINION ABOUT HIM.
WHICH IS ALSO WHY HE SAW SUCH A REACTION IN WASHINGTON.
WHICH IS ALSO WHY HE SAW SUCH A REACTION IN WASHINGTON.
BECAUSE HE'S BEEN AROUND SO REACTION IN WASHINGTON.
BECAUSE HE'S BEEN AROUND SO LONG THAT THERE'S NOT MANY BECAUSE HE'S BEEN AROUND SO LONG THAT THERE'S NOT MANY PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE AN LONG THAT THERE'S NOT MANY PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT MAX BAUCUS.
PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT MAX BAUCUS.
IT SPANS -- OPINION ABOUT MAX BAUCUS.
IT SPANS -- GWEN: SEVEN TERMS.
IT SPANS -- GWEN: SEVEN TERMS.
>> OBAMA MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE GWEN: SEVEN TERMS.
>> OBAMA MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET HIS HEALTH CARE LAW >> OBAMA MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET HIS HEALTH CARE LAW THROUGH HIM AND THEN REFERRED TO GET HIS HEALTH CARE LAW THROUGH HIM AND THEN REFERRED TO THE BILL AS A TRAIN WRECK THROUGH HIM AND THEN REFERRED TO THE BILL AS A TRAIN WRECK AND WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC FOR TO THE BILL AS A TRAIN WRECK AND WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC FOR CONSUMERS.
AND WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC FOR CONSUMERS.
>> SO WHAT HAPPENS WITHOUT HIM?
CONSUMERS.
>> SO WHAT HAPPENS WITHOUT HIM?
WHAT ABOUT THINGS LIKE TAX >> SO WHAT HAPPENS WITHOUT HIM?
WHAT ABOUT THINGS LIKE TAX REFORM?
WHAT ABOUT THINGS LIKE TAX REFORM?
WHAT HAPPENS WITHOUT A MAX REFORM?
WHAT HAPPENS WITHOUT A MAX BAUCUS?
WHAT HAPPENS WITHOUT A MAX BAUCUS?
>> AND THIS -- WE'VE HAD A LOT BAUCUS?
>> AND THIS -- WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SENATE RETIREMENTS IN RECENT >> AND THIS -- WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SENATE RETIREMENTS IN RECENT YEARS AND SAY I'M GOING TO USE OF SENATE RETIREMENTS IN RECENT YEARS AND SAY I'M GOING TO USE MY TIME LEFT TO DO ONE THING.
YEARS AND SAY I'M GOING TO USE MY TIME LEFT TO DO ONE THING.
I'M VERY SKEPTICAL THAT THEY'RE MY TIME LEFT TO DO ONE THING.
I'M VERY SKEPTICAL THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO GET IT DONE.
I'M VERY SKEPTICAL THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO GET IT DONE.
MOST RECENTLY OF SOMEONE LIKE ABLE TO GET IT DONE.
MOST RECENTLY OF SOMEONE LIKE KENT CONRAD WHO RETIRED IN THE MOST RECENTLY OF SOMEONE LIKE KENT CONRAD WHO RETIRED IN THE LAUGH CYCLE AND THE BUDGET KENT CONRAD WHO RETIRED IN THE LAUGH CYCLE AND THE BUDGET CHAIRMAN -- IN THE LAST CYCLE LAUGH CYCLE AND THE BUDGET CHAIRMAN -- IN THE LAST CYCLE AND THE BUDGET CHAIRMAN AND CHAIRMAN -- IN THE LAST CYCLE AND THE BUDGET CHAIRMAN AND SAID WE'LL GET A FISCAL DEAL AND THE BUDGET CHAIRMAN AND SAID WE'LL GET A FISCAL DEAL AND WE KNOW HOW THAT WORKED SAID WE'LL GET A FISCAL DEAL AND WE KNOW HOW THAT WORKED OUT.
AND WE KNOW HOW THAT WORKED OUT.
THE IDEA THAT CHAIRMAN AS LAME OUT.
THE IDEA THAT CHAIRMAN AS LAME DUCKS HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF THE IDEA THAT CHAIRMAN AS LAME DUCKS HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF MOVING SWEEPING LEGISLATION AS DUCKS HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF MOVING SWEEPING LEGISLATION AS THEY WAVE GOODBYE TO THEIR MOVING SWEEPING LEGISLATION AS THEY WAVE GOODBYE TO THEIR COLLEAGUES AND WALK OUT THE THEY WAVE GOODBYE TO THEIR COLLEAGUES AND WALK OUT THE DOOR IS GOING TO BE A VERY TALL COLLEAGUES AND WALK OUT THE DOOR IS GOING TO BE A VERY TALL TASK.
DOOR IS GOING TO BE A VERY TALL TASK.
>> AND VOTING AGAINST THE TASK.
>> AND VOTING AGAINST THE BACKGROUND CHECKS, DIDN'T THAT >> AND VOTING AGAINST THE BACKGROUND CHECKS, DIDN'T THAT WEAR H BACKGROUND CHECKS, DIDN'T THAT WEAR H >> AND BAUCUS HAS ALWAYS BEEN WEAR H >> AND BAUCUS HAS ALWAYS BEEN -- HE'S ALWAYS INFURIATED >> AND BAUCUS HAS ALWAYS BEEN -- HE'S ALWAYS INFURIATED LIBERAL DEMOCRATS.
-- HE'S ALWAYS INFURIATED LIBERAL DEMOCRATS.
THE HEALTH CARE BILL IS A GREAT LIBERAL DEMOCRATS.
THE HEALTH CARE BILL IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
THE HEALTH CARE BILL IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
BECAUSE LIBERALS THAT WANTED EXAMPLE.
BECAUSE LIBERALS THAT WANTED UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, HE WAS BECAUSE LIBERALS THAT WANTED UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, HE WAS -- MADE SURE -- AND DIDN'T HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, HE WAS -- MADE SURE -- AND DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO DO IT.
-- MADE SURE -- AND DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO DO IT.
SO WHEN HE ANNOUNCED HIS THE VOTES TO DO IT.
SO WHEN HE ANNOUNCED HIS RETIREMENT A PRETTY LOUD CHEER SO WHEN HE ANNOUNCED HIS RETIREMENT A PRETTY LOUD CHEER THAT CAME FROM THE PROGRESSIVE RETIREMENT A PRETTY LOUD CHEER THAT CAME FROM THE PROGRESSIVE SIDE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT CAME FROM THE PROGRESSIVE SIDE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHO ARE ANGLING VERY HARD FOR SIDE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHO ARE ANGLING VERY HARD FOR BRIAN SWEEZER, FORMER GOVERNOR WHO ARE ANGLING VERY HARD FOR BRIAN SWEEZER, FORMER GOVERNOR OF MONTANA TO -- SCHWEITZER, BRIAN SWEEZER, FORMER GOVERNOR OF MONTANA TO -- SCHWEITZER, FORMER GOVERNOR OF MONTANA TO OF MONTANA TO -- SCHWEITZER, FORMER GOVERNOR OF MONTANA TO RUN FOR THAT SEAT.
FORMER GOVERNOR OF MONTANA TO RUN FOR THAT SEAT.
HE HAS A HIGH NATIONAL I.D.
RUN FOR THAT SEAT.
HE HAS A HIGH NATIONAL I.D.
LEVEL AND MADE A SPLASH AT THE HE HAS A HIGH NATIONAL I.D.
LEVEL AND MADE A SPLASH AT THE 2008 DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION AND LEVEL AND MADE A SPLASH AT THE 2008 DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION AND GAVE A POPULIST, CROWD-CHEESING 2008 DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION AND GAVE A POPULIST, CROWD-CHEESING SPEECH.
GAVE A POPULIST, CROWD-CHEESING SPEECH.
GWEN: WHO IS THE ONE IN LINE TO SPEECH.
GWEN: WHO IS THE ONE IN LINE TO BE THE HEAD -- GWEN: WHO IS THE ONE IN LINE TO BE THE HEAD -- >> RON WYDEN.
BE THE HEAD -- >> RON WYDEN.
>> DOES THIS PUT THE SENATE >> RON WYDEN.
>> DOES THIS PUT THE SENATE MORE AT RISK?
>> DOES THIS PUT THE SENATE MORE AT RISK?
>> YES IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S A MORE AT RISK?
>> YES IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S A CONSERVATIVE STATE.
>> YES IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S A CONSERVATIVE STATE.
NO IN THE SENSE YOU CAN'T BEAT CONSERVATIVE STATE.
NO IN THE SENSE YOU CAN'T BEAT SOMEBODY WITH NOBODY.
NO IN THE SENSE YOU CAN'T BEAT SOMEBODY WITH NOBODY.
AND I THINK REPUBLICANS HAVE A SOMEBODY WITH NOBODY.
AND I THINK REPUBLICANS HAVE A VERY THIN BENCH IN MONTANA.
AND I THINK REPUBLICANS HAVE A VERY THIN BENCH IN MONTANA.
THERE'S NO OBVIOUS CANDIDATE VERY THIN BENCH IN MONTANA.
THERE'S NO OBVIOUS CANDIDATE THAT'S GOING TO RUN THERE.
THERE'S NO OBVIOUS CANDIDATE THAT'S GOING TO RUN THERE.
I KNOW THAT REPUBLICANS WILL THAT'S GOING TO RUN THERE.
I KNOW THAT REPUBLICANS WILL SAY THAT THIS IS A VERY I KNOW THAT REPUBLICANS WILL SAY THAT THIS IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE STATE.
SAY THAT THIS IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE STATE.
BUT IT HASN'T ELECTED A CONSERVATIVE STATE.
BUT IT HASN'T ELECTED A DEMOCRAT TO THE SENATE SINCE BUT IT HASN'T ELECTED A DEMOCRAT TO THE SENATE SINCE 2000.
DEMOCRAT TO THE SENATE SINCE 2000.
SO ONE OF THOSE STATES THAT 2000.
SO ONE OF THOSE STATES THAT TENDS TO VOTE CONSERVATIVE SO ONE OF THOSE STATES THAT TENDS TO VOTE CONSERVATIVE NATIONWIDE BUT HAS PROGRESSIVE TENDS TO VOTE CONSERVATIVE NATIONWIDE BUT HAS PROGRESSIVE LEANING STATEWIDE.
NATIONWIDE BUT HAS PROGRESSIVE LEANING STATEWIDE.
WEST VIRGINIA IS ANOTHER GOOD LEANING STATEWIDE.
WEST VIRGINIA IS ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE AFTER STATE LIKE THAT.
WEST VIRGINIA IS ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE AFTER STATE LIKE THAT.
>> EXAMPLE AFTER STATE LIKE THAT.
>> GWEN: EIGHT SENATORS RETIRING >> GWEN: EIGHT SENATORS RETIRING AND SIX DEMOCRATS AND DEMOCRATS GWEN: EIGHT SENATORS RETIRING AND SIX DEMOCRATS AND DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE MORE AND SIX DEMOCRATS AND DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE MORE DIFFICULT TIME DEFENDING THEIR ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE MORE DIFFICULT TIME DEFENDING THEIR TURF IN 2014 THAN REPUBLICANS DIFFICULT TIME DEFENDING THEIR TURF IN 2014 THAN REPUBLICANS DO.
TURF IN 2014 THAN REPUBLICANS DO.
WHAT ARE THEY DOING ABOUT THAT?
DO.
WHAT ARE THEY DOING ABOUT THAT?
>> A LOT OF THIS IS ROLL OF THE WHAT ARE THEY DOING ABOUT THAT?
>> A LOT OF THIS IS ROLL OF THE DICE.
>> A LOT OF THIS IS ROLL OF THE DICE.
THE DEMOCRATS HAVE HAD DICE.
THE DEMOCRATS HAVE HAD BACK-TO-BACK ELECTION CYCLES THE DEMOCRATS HAVE HAD BACK-TO-BACK ELECTION CYCLES WHERE THEY'RE JUST DEFENDING BACK-TO-BACK ELECTION CYCLES WHERE THEY'RE JUST DEFENDING MORE SEATS.
WHERE THEY'RE JUST DEFENDING MORE SEATS.
JUST THE MATH IS NOT IN THEIR MORE SEATS.
JUST THE MATH IS NOT IN THEIR FAVOR.
JUST THE MATH IS NOT IN THEIR FAVOR.
THERE'S 33 SEATS UP THIS NEXT FAVOR.
THERE'S 33 SEATS UP THIS NEXT YEAR.
THERE'S 33 SEATS UP THIS NEXT YEAR.
21 ARE DEMOCRATS.
YEAR.
21 ARE DEMOCRATS.
AND A LOT OF THEM ARE IN 21 ARE DEMOCRATS.
AND A LOT OF THEM ARE IN RED-LEANING STATES.
AND A LOT OF THEM ARE IN RED-LEANING STATES.
I DO THINK THAT AT LEAST BASED RED-LEANING STATES.
I DO THINK THAT AT LEAST BASED ON THE 2012 MODEL A.
LITTLE TOO I DO THINK THAT AT LEAST BASED ON THE 2012 MODEL A.
LITTLE TOO EARLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A ON THE 2012 MODEL A.
LITTLE TOO EARLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CANDIDATES IN THESE EARLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CANDIDATES IN THESE RACES YET AND PUT A VERY HIGH LOT OF CANDIDATES IN THESE RACES YET AND PUT A VERY HIGH PREMIUM ON RECRUITING REALLY RACES YET AND PUT A VERY HIGH PREMIUM ON RECRUITING REALLY STRONG CANDIDATES EARLY.
PREMIUM ON RECRUITING REALLY STRONG CANDIDATES EARLY.
BOTH PARTIES DO THAT.
STRONG CANDIDATES EARLY.
BOTH PARTIES DO THAT.
BUT THEY OFTENTIMES LOOK FOR BOTH PARTIES DO THAT.
BUT THEY OFTENTIMES LOOK FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY BUT THEY OFTENTIMES LOOK FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY WELL-KNOWN IN THE STATE.
PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY WELL-KNOWN IN THE STATE.
MAYBE HAVE ALREADY HELD A WELL-KNOWN IN THE STATE.
MAYBE HAVE ALREADY HELD A STATEWIDE OFFICE AND CAN RAISE MAYBE HAVE ALREADY HELD A STATEWIDE OFFICE AND CAN RAISE A LOT OF MONEY.
STATEWIDE OFFICE AND CAN RAISE A LOT OF MONEY.
GWEN: LIKE BRIAN SCHWEITZER A LOT OF MONEY.
GWEN: LIKE BRIAN SCHWEITZER SAY.
GWEN: LIKE BRIAN SCHWEITZER SAY.
AND I'M CURIOUS IN THE END WHAT SAY.
AND I'M CURIOUS IN THE END WHAT THE REPUBLICANS DO?
AND I'M CURIOUS IN THE END WHAT THE REPUBLICANS DO?
DO THEY SIT BACK AND CROSS THE REPUBLICANS DO?
DO THEY SIT BACK AND CROSS THEIR ARMS AND SAY HAPPY DAYS DO THEY SIT BACK AND CROSS THEIR ARMS AND SAY HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN?
THEIR ARMS AND SAY HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN?
OR DO THEY ALSO TRY TO FIND ARE HERE AGAIN?
OR DO THEY ALSO TRY TO FIND STRONG CANDIDATES TO GRAB THOSE OR DO THEY ALSO TRY TO FIND STRONG CANDIDATES TO GRAB THOSE SEATS AGGRESSIVELY?
STRONG CANDIDATES TO GRAB THOSE SEATS AGGRESSIVELY?
>> THE PROBLEM THAT REPUBLICANS SEATS AGGRESSIVELY?
>> THE PROBLEM THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE HAD IS THAT THE MAJORITY >> THE PROBLEM THAT REPUBLICANS HAVE HAD IS THAT THE MAJORITY WITHIN THEIR GRASP FOR AT LEAST HAVE HAD IS THAT THE MAJORITY WITHIN THEIR GRASP FOR AT LEAST TWO CYCLES.
WITHIN THEIR GRASP FOR AT LEAST TWO CYCLES.
AND THEIR OWN CANDIDATES HAVE TWO CYCLES.
AND THEIR OWN CANDIDATES HAVE COST -- THE BEST REFERENCE FOR AND THEIR OWN CANDIDATES HAVE COST -- THE BEST REFERENCE FOR LAST CYCLE WOULD BE TODD AKIN.
COST -- THE BEST REFERENCE FOR LAST CYCLE WOULD BE TODD AKIN.
RECRUITING CANDIDATES THAT ARE LAST CYCLE WOULD BE TODD AKIN.
RECRUITING CANDIDATES THAT ARE -- CAN WIN PRIMARIES BUT ARE RECRUITING CANDIDATES THAT ARE -- CAN WIN PRIMARIES BUT ARE ALIENATE A GENERAL ELECTION -- CAN WIN PRIMARIES BUT ARE ALIENATE A GENERAL ELECTION AUDIENCE.
ALIENATE A GENERAL ELECTION AUDIENCE.
SO THEY ARE HAVING THEIR OWN AUDIENCE.
SO THEY ARE HAVING THEIR OWN SORT OF INTERNAL STRUGGLES SO THEY ARE HAVING THEIR OWN SORT OF INTERNAL STRUGGLES BETWEEN THE MORE CONSERVATIVE SORT OF INTERNAL STRUGGLES BETWEEN THE MORE CONSERVATIVE WING AND THE MORE MAINSTREAM.
BETWEEN THE MORE CONSERVATIVE WING AND THE MORE MAINSTREAM.
AND THAT BATTLE STILL NEEDS TO WING AND THE MORE MAINSTREAM.
AND THAT BATTLE STILL NEEDS TO PLAY OUT IN THESE STATES.
AND THAT BATTLE STILL NEEDS TO PLAY OUT IN THESE STATES.
GWEN: WHAT FUN WE'RE GOING TO PLAY OUT IN THESE STATES.
GWEN: WHAT FUN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THMID-E TERM ELECTIONS.
GWEN: WHAT FUN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THMID-E TERM ELECTIONS.
NOT OFTEN WE GET A PEEK INSIDE HAVE IN THMID-E TERM ELECTIONS.
NOT OFTEN WE GET A PEEK INSIDE A MEETING OF THE PRESIDENTS' NOT OFTEN WE GET A PEEK INSIDE A MEETING OF THE PRESIDENTS' MICHAEL A MEETING OF THE PRESIDENTS' MICHAEL DUFFY CALLED IT.
MICHAEL DUFFY CALLED IT.
THERE ARE ONLY FIVE OF THEM.
DUFFY CALLED IT.
THERE ARE ONLY FIVE OF THEM.
AND ALONG WITH THEIR WIVES IN THERE ARE ONLY FIVE OF THEM.
AND ALONG WITH THEIR WIVES IN DALLAS THIS WEEK, THEY PROVIDED AND ALONG WITH THEIR WIVES IN DALLAS THIS WEEK, THEY PROVIDED ONE OF THE MOST IERESNTTING DALLAS THIS WEEK, THEY PROVIDED ONE OF THE MOST IERESNTTING TABLEAUX OF DEMOCRACY THAT WE ONE OF THE MOST IERESNTTING TABLEAUX OF DEMOCRACY THAT WE EVER GET TO SEE.
TABLEAUX OF DEMOCRACY THAT WE EVER GET TO SEE.
PLUS THE REMARKS AT THE OPENING EVER GET TO SEE.
PLUS THE REMARKS AT THE OPENING OF GEORGE W. BUSH'S PLUS THE REMARKS AT THE OPENING OF GEORGE W. BUSH'S PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY REMINDED OF GEORGE W. BUSH'S PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY REMINDED US HOW VERY DIFFERENT THEY ARE.
PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY REMINDED US HOW VERY DIFFERENT THEY ARE.
>> THOSE WHO MADE THIS US HOW VERY DIFFERENT THEY ARE.
>> THOSE WHO MADE THIS MARVELOUS MUSEUM POSSIBLE, WE >> THOSE WHO MADE THIS MARVELOUS MUSEUM POSSIBLE, WE THANK YOU, ESPECIALLY, AND MARVELOUS MUSEUM POSSIBLE, WE THANK YOU, ESPECIALLY, AND WE'RE GLAD TO BE HERE.
THANK YOU, ESPECIALLY, AND WE'RE GLAD TO BE HERE.
GOD BLESS AMERICA.
WE'RE GLAD TO BE HERE.
GOD BLESS AMERICA.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
GOD BLESS AMERICA.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> PEOPLE BEGAN TO JOKE THAT I AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> PEOPLE BEGAN TO JOKE THAT I WAS GETTING SO CLOSE TO THE >> PEOPLE BEGAN TO JOKE THAT I WAS GETTING SO CLOSE TO THE BUSH FAMILY I HAD BECOME THE WAS GETTING SO CLOSE TO THE BUSH FAMILY I HAD BECOME THE BLACK SHEEP SON.
BUSH FAMILY I HAD BECOME THE BLACK SHEEP SON.
[LAUGHTER] BLACK SHEEP SON.
[LAUGHTER] MY MOTHER TOLD ME NOT TO TALK [LAUGHTER] MY MOTHER TOLD ME NOT TO TALK TOO LONG TODAY.
MY MOTHER TOLD ME NOT TO TALK TOO LONG TODAY.
AND BARBARA, I WILL NOT LET YOU TOO LONG TODAY.
AND BARBARA, I WILL NOT LET YOU DOWN.
AND BARBARA, I WILL NOT LET YOU DOWN.
>> TO KNOW THE MAN IS TO LIKE DOWN.
>> TO KNOW THE MAN IS TO LIKE THE MAN.
>> TO KNOW THE MAN IS TO LIKE THE MAN.
BECAUSE HE'S COMFORTABLE IN HIS THE MAN.
BECAUSE HE'S COMFORTABLE IN HIS OWN SKIN.
BECAUSE HE'S COMFORTABLE IN HIS OWN SKIN.
HE KNOWS WHO HE IS.
OWN SKIN.
HE KNOWS WHO HE IS.
HE DOESN'T PUT ON ANY HE KNOWS WHO HE IS.
HE DOESN'T PUT ON ANY PRETENSES.
HE DOESN'T PUT ON ANY PRETENSES.
HE TAKES HIS JOB SERIOUSLY.
PRETENSES.
HE TAKES HIS JOB SERIOUSLY.
BUT HE DOESN'T TAKE HIMSELF TOO HE TAKES HIS JOB SERIOUSLY.
BUT HE DOESN'T TAKE HIMSELF TOO SERIOUSLY.
BUT HE DOESN'T TAKE HIMSELF TOO SERIOUSLY.
HE IS A GOOD MAN.
SERIOUSLY.
HE IS A GOOD MAN.
>> ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HE IS A GOOD MAN.
>> ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF FREEDOM IS THAT PEOPLE CAN >> ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF FREEDOM IS THAT PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE.
FREEDOM IS THAT PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE.
FAIR TO SAY I CREATED PLENTY OF DISAGREE.
FAIR TO SAY I CREATED PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO EXERCISE THAT FAIR TO SAY I CREATED PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO EXERCISE THAT RIGHT.
OPPORTUNITIES TO EXERCISE THAT RIGHT.
GWEN: YOU WERE THERE, DAN.
RIGHT.
GWEN: YOU WERE THERE, DAN.
AND PRESIDENT BUSH ENDED THAT A GWEN: YOU WERE THERE, DAN.
AND PRESIDENT BUSH ENDED THAT A LITTLE TEARY.
AND PRESIDENT BUSH ENDED THAT A LITTLE TEARY.
IT WAS QUITE A DAY.
LITTLE TEARY.
IT WAS QUITE A DAY.
WHAT WAS MOST STRIKING TO YOU?
IT WAS QUITE A DAY.
WHAT WAS MOST STRIKING TO YOU?
>> THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS WHAT WAS MOST STRIKING TO YOU?
>> THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WERE STRIKING.
>> THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WERE STRIKING.
NOT ALL NECESSARILY RELATED.
THAT WERE STRIKING.
NOT ALL NECESSARILY RELATED.
THE FIRST IS WHEN YOU SEE THAT NOT ALL NECESSARILY RELATED.
THE FIRST IS WHEN YOU SEE THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE THERE ON THE THE FIRST IS WHEN YOU SEE THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE THERE ON THE STAGE, YOU ARE REMINDED OF HOW GROUP OF PEOPLE THERE ON THE STAGE, YOU ARE REMINDED OF HOW MUCH HISTORY THEY REPRESENT.
STAGE, YOU ARE REMINDED OF HOW MUCH HISTORY THEY REPRESENT.
WARS.
MUCH HISTORY THEY REPRESENT.
WARS.
RECESSIONS.
WARS.
RECESSIONS.
SCANDAL.
RECESSIONS.
SCANDAL.
SUCCESS.
SCANDAL.
SUCCESS.
FAILURE.
SUCCESS.
FAILURE.
EACH ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE ON THE FAILURE.
EACH ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE ON THE STAGE HAS EXPERIENCED SOME OR EACH ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE ON THE STAGE HAS EXPERIENCED SOME OR ALL OF THOSE.
STAGE HAS EXPERIENCED SOME OR ALL OF THOSE.
YOU'RE REMINDED THAT THEY ALL OF THOSE.
YOU'RE REMINDED THAT THEY SHAPED HISTORY.
YOU'RE REMINDED THAT THEY SHAPED HISTORY.
AND THEY WERE SHAPED BY SHAPED HISTORY.
AND THEY WERE SHAPED BY HISTORY.
AND THEY WERE SHAPED BY HISTORY.
THE SECOND IS IN THE PERSONAL HISTORY.
THE SECOND IS IN THE PERSONAL INTERACTION, YOU HIGHLIGHT THEY THE SECOND IS IN THE PERSONAL INTERACTION, YOU HIGHLIGHT THEY ARE DIFFERENT.
INTERACTION, YOU HIGHLIGHT THEY ARE DIFFERENT.
THEY ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
ARE DIFFERENT.
THEY ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT THEY ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT IDEOLOGY.
AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT IDEOLOGY.
AND YET THERE'S A RESPECT AND IDEOLOGY.
AND YET THERE'S A RESPECT AND IN SOME WAYS GENUINE FRIENDSHIP AND YET THERE'S A RESPECT AND IN SOME WAYS GENUINE FRIENDSHIP AMONG THEM.
IN SOME WAYS GENUINE FRIENDSHIP AMONG THEM.
PRESIDENT OBAMA MADE THE AMONG THEM.
PRESIDENT OBAMA MADE THE COMMENT THAT UNTIL YOU ARE PRESIDENT OBAMA MADE THE COMMENT THAT UNTIL YOU ARE BEHIND THE DESK IN THE OVAL COMMENT THAT UNTIL YOU ARE BEHIND THE DESK IN THE OVAL OFFICE, YOU DON'T FULLY BEHIND THE DESK IN THE OVAL OFFICE, YOU DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE BURDENS.
OFFICE, YOU DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE BURDENS.
EVERYONE ON THAT STAGE UNDERSTAND THE BURDENS.
EVERYONE ON THAT STAGE UNDERSTOOD THOSE BURDENS.
EVERYONE ON THAT STAGE UNDERSTOOD THOSE BURDENS.
UNDERSTANDS THEM TODAY.
UNDERSTOOD THOSE BURDENS.
UNDERSTANDS THEM TODAY.
AND THEY HAVE SOME APPRECIATION UNDERSTANDS THEM TODAY.
AND THEY HAVE SOME APPRECIATION OF WHAT EACH OF THEM WENT AND THEY HAVE SOME APPRECIATION OF WHAT EACH OF THEM WENT THROUGH.
OF WHAT EACH OF THEM WENT THROUGH.
EVEN IF THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE THROUGH.
EVEN IF THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE AGREED AT THE TIME OR SINCE EVEN IF THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE AGREED AT THE TIME OR SINCE WITH ALL THAT THEY DID.
AGREED AT THE TIME OR SINCE WITH ALL THAT THEY DID.
THE THIRD -- WITH ALL THAT THEY DID.
THE THIRD -- GWEN: GO AHEAD.
THE THIRD -- GWEN: GO AHEAD.
>> THE THIRD WAS SIMPLY THE GWEN: GO AHEAD.
>> THE THIRD WAS SIMPLY THE ROLE THAT THE BUSH AND CLINTON >> THE THIRD WAS SIMPLY THE ROLE THAT THE BUSH AND CLINTON FAMILIES HAVE PLAYED IN OUR ROLE THAT THE BUSH AND CLINTON FAMILIES HAVE PLAYED IN OUR POLITICAL LIFE OVER THE LAST FAMILIES HAVE PLAYED IN OUR POLITICAL LIFE OVER THE LAST THREE DECADES.
POLITICAL LIFE OVER THE LAST THREE DECADES.
AND MAY PLAY IN THE FUTURE.
THREE DECADES.
AND MAY PLAY IN THE FUTURE.
GWEN: DESCRIBE THE MUSEUM.
AND MAY PLAY IN THE FUTURE.
GWEN: DESCRIBE THE MUSEUM.
DID YOU GET TO GO INSIDE?
GWEN: DESCRIBE THE MUSEUM.
DID YOU GET TO GO INSIDE?
>> I DID.
DID YOU GET TO GO INSIDE?
>> I DID.
I TOOK A TOUR A COUPLE OF WEEKS >> I DID.
I TOOK A TOUR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
I TOOK A TOUR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
ARCHITECTURALLY A VERY HANDSOME AGO.
ARCHITECTURALLY A VERY HANDSOME BUILDING.
ARCHITECTURALLY A VERY HANDSOME BUILDING.
LAURA BUSH HAD INFLUENCE IN AND BUILDING.
LAURA BUSH HAD INFLUENCE IN AND OUT AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURE LAURA BUSH HAD INFLUENCE IN AND OUT AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE TEXAS LANDSCAPE THAT OUT AS FAR AS THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE TEXAS LANDSCAPE THAT THEY CREATED AROUND IT.
AND THE TEXAS LANDSCAPE THAT THEY CREATED AROUND IT.
IT'S A VERY HANDSOME PLACE.
THEY CREATED AROUND IT.
IT'S A VERY HANDSOME PLACE.
THE MUSEUM IS VERY MUCH A IT'S A VERY HANDSOME PLACE.
THE MUSEUM IS VERY MUCH A REFLECTION OF GEORGE W. BUSH.
THE MUSEUM IS VERY MUCH A REFLECTION OF GEORGE W. BUSH.
HE HAS SAID I AM -- I'M CONTENT REFLECTION OF GEORGE W. BUSH.
HE HAS SAID I AM -- I'M CONTENT TO LET HISTORY JUDGE ME.
HE HAS SAID I AM -- I'M CONTENT TO LET HISTORY JUDGE ME.
AND YOU GO THROUGH THE MUSEUM.
TO LET HISTORY JUDGE ME.
AND YOU GO THROUGH THE MUSEUM.
IT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD.
AND YOU GO THROUGH THE MUSEUM.
IT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IT'S UNAPOLOGETIC.
IT'S STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IT'S UNAPOLOGETIC.
AND YET THERE IS A SECTION OF IT'S UNAPOLOGETIC.
AND YET THERE IS A SECTION OF IT CALLED THE DECISION POINTS AND YET THERE IS A SECTION OF IT CALLED THE DECISION POINTS THEATER IN WHICH YOU CAN GO IN IT CALLED THE DECISION POINTS THEATER IN WHICH YOU CAN GO IN AND SECOND-GUESS GEORGE W. THEATER IN WHICH YOU CAN GO IN AND SECOND-GUESS GEORGE W. BUSH.
AND SECOND-GUESS GEORGE W. BUSH.
YOU CAN SAY I DISAGREE.
BUSH.
YOU CAN SAY I DISAGREE.
AND HE'LL COME ON AND SAY, YOU CAN SAY I DISAGREE.
AND HE'LL COME ON AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT I DID AND WHY I DID AND HE'LL COME ON AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT I DID AND WHY I DID IT.
HERE'S WHAT I DID AND WHY I DID IT.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK HE THINKS?
IT.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK HE THINKS?
I MEAN, I KNOW HE WANTS HISTORY >> WHAT DO YOU THINK HE THINKS?
I MEAN, I KNOW HE WANTS HISTORY TO J&J.
I MEAN, I KNOW HE WANTS HISTORY TO J&J.
-- TO JUDGE.
TO J&J.
-- TO JUDGE.
BUT DO YOU GET A SENSE FROM -- TO JUDGE.
BUT DO YOU GET A SENSE FROM BEING DOWN THERE, WHAT HE BUT DO YOU GET A SENSE FROM BEING DOWN THERE, WHAT HE REALLY THINKS HIS OWN LEGACY BEING DOWN THERE, WHAT HE REALLY THINKS HIS OWN LEGACY WILL BE?
REALLY THINKS HIS OWN LEGACY WILL BE?
>> I THINK HE THINKS IT WILL BE WILL BE?
>> I THINK HE THINKS IT WILL BE BETTER THAN IT WAS WHEN HE LEFT >> I THINK HE THINKS IT WILL BE BETTER THAN IT WAS WHEN HE LEFT OFFICE.
BETTER THAN IT WAS WHEN HE LEFT OFFICE.
GWEN: IT USUALLY IS, ISN'T IT?
OFFICE.
GWEN: IT USUALLY IS, ISN'T IT?
>> IT USUALLY IS.
GWEN: IT USUALLY IS, ISN'T IT?
>> IT USUALLY IS.
GWEN: BILL CLINTON.
>> IT USUALLY IS.
GWEN: BILL CLINTON.
>> BUT BILL CLINTON DIDN'T HAVE GWEN: BILL CLINTON.
>> BUT BILL CLINTON DIDN'T HAVE THAT WAR.
>> BUT BILL CLINTON DIDN'T HAVE THAT WAR.
>> I THINK THE REAL QUESTION IS THAT WAR.
>> I THINK THE REAL QUESTION IS HOW THE IRAQ WAR IS JUDGED IN >> I THINK THE REAL QUESTION IS HOW THE IRAQ WAR IS JUDGED IN HISTORY.
HOW THE IRAQ WAR IS JUDGED IN HISTORY.
HE HAD THE IRAQ WAR.
HISTORY.
HE HAD THE IRAQ WAR.
HE HAD THE FINANCIAL COLLAPSE HE HAD THE IRAQ WAR.
HE HAD THE FINANCIAL COLLAPSE IN HIS LAST FEW MONTHS.
HE HAD THE FINANCIAL COLLAPSE IN HIS LAST FEW MONTHS.
HURRICANE KATRINA.
IN HIS LAST FEW MONTHS.
HURRICANE KATRINA.
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS HURRICANE KATRINA.
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT AS HE LEFT OFFICE MADE HIM THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT AS HE LEFT OFFICE MADE HIM A VERY UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT.
THAT AS HE LEFT OFFICE MADE HIM A VERY UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT.
AND ONE WHO WAS JUDGED HARSHLY A VERY UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT.
AND ONE WHO WAS JUDGED HARSHLY AS HE LEFT.
AND ONE WHO WAS JUDGED HARSHLY AS HE LEFT.
PEOPLE AROUND HIM BELIEVE THAT AS HE LEFT.
PEOPLE AROUND HIM BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A FULLER STORY TO PEOPLE AROUND HIM BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A FULLER STORY TO TELL.
THERE IS A FULLER STORY TO TELL.
AND THAT THE MUSEUM ITSELF TELL.
AND THAT THE MUSEUM ITSELF DOESN'T DO THAT.
AND THAT THE MUSEUM ITSELF DOESN'T DO THAT.
BUT THIS SETS IN MOTION BE A R DOESN'T DO THAT.
BUT THIS SETS IN MOTION BE A R AN OPPORTUNITY TO -- IN MOTION BUT THIS SETS IN MOTION BE A R AN OPPORTUNITY TO -- IN MOTION AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO -- IN MOTION AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT HIM MORE BROADLY.
AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT HIM MORE BROADLY.
HIS INITIATIVE ON HIV-AIDS IN MORE BROADLY.
HIS INITIATIVE ON HIV-AIDS IN AFRICA, THE FACT THAT HE HIS INITIATIVE ON HIV-AIDS IN AFRICA, THE FACT THAT HE ADVOCATED FOR COMPREHENSIVE -- AFRICA, THE FACT THAT HE ADVOCATED FOR COMPREHENSIVE -- NUGELY SIGNIFICANT.
ADVOCATED FOR COMPREHENSIVE -- NUGELY SIGNIFICANT.
THE FACT THAT HE ADVOCATED FOR NUGELY SIGNIFICANT.
THE FACT THAT HE ADVOCATED FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM WAS DEFEATED THE FACT THAT HE ADVOCATED FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM WAS DEFEATED BY HIS OWN PARTY ON THAT.
IMMIGRATION REFORM WAS DEFEATED BY HIS OWN PARTY ON THAT.
HIS OWN PARTY HAS BEGUN TO COME BY HIS OWN PARTY ON THAT.
HIS OWN PARTY HAS BEGUN TO COME AROUND.
HIS OWN PARTY HAS BEGUN TO COME AROUND.
AND APPROACH THAT ISSUE AROUND.
AND APPROACH THAT ISSUE DIFFERENTLY.
AND APPROACH THAT ISSUE DIFFERENTLY.
SO I THINK THEY BELIEVE THAT DIFFERENTLY.
SO I THINK THEY BELIEVE THAT OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, SO I THINK THEY BELIEVE THAT OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, THERE MAY BE A REASSESSMENT.
OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, THERE MAY BE A REASSESSMENT.
>> YOUR PAPER REPORTED THAT THE THERE MAY BE A REASSESSMENT.
>> YOUR PAPER REPORTED THAT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HIM AND >> YOUR PAPER REPORTED THAT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HIM AND PRESIDENT OBAMA REMAINS FAIRLY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HIM AND PRESIDENT OBAMA REMAINS FAIRLY COOL.
PRESIDENT OBAMA REMAINS FAIRLY COOL.
I -- MAYBE THAT'S INEVITABLE COOL.
I -- MAYBE THAT'S INEVITABLE GIVEN HOW STRONGLY OBAMA WAS I -- MAYBE THAT'S INEVITABLE GIVEN HOW STRONGLY OBAMA WAS AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR AND HOW GIVEN HOW STRONGLY OBAMA WAS AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR AND HOW MUCH OF IT DEFINED PRESIDENT AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR AND HOW MUCH OF IT DEFINED PRESIDENT BUSH.
MUCH OF IT DEFINED PRESIDENT BUSH.
BUT DID YOU PICK UP ON THAT BUSH.
BUT DID YOU PICK UP ON THAT COOLNESS AS WELL?
BUT DID YOU PICK UP ON THAT COOLNESS AS WELL?
>> WELL, ON A DAY LIKE THIS, COOLNESS AS WELL?
>> WELL, ON A DAY LIKE THIS, THAT -- THAT'S ALL HIDDEN AWAY.
>> WELL, ON A DAY LIKE THIS, THAT -- THAT'S ALL HIDDEN AWAY.
THIS WAS A DAY TO CELEBRATE THE THAT -- THAT'S ALL HIDDEN AWAY.
THIS WAS A DAY TO CELEBRATE THE OPENING OF THE LIBRARY.
THIS WAS A DAY TO CELEBRATE THE OPENING OF THE LIBRARY.
TO PAY TRIBUTE TO GEORGE W. OPENING OF THE LIBRARY.
TO PAY TRIBUTE TO GEORGE W. BUSH.
TO PAY TRIBUTE TO GEORGE W. BUSH.
AND EVERY PRESIDENT DID THAT.
BUSH.
AND EVERY PRESIDENT DID THAT.
BUT THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT AND EVERY PRESIDENT DID THAT.
BUT THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WOULD CALL BUT THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WOULD CALL AN ONGOING HEALTHY THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WOULD CALL AN ONGOING HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP.
AN ONGOING HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK BUSH'S RELATIONSHIP.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK BUSH'S LEGACY IS FOR THE REPUBLICAN >> WHAT DO YOU THINK BUSH'S LEGACY IS FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?
LEGACY IS FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?
>> IT'S A REALLY INTERESNG TI PARTY?
>> IT'S A REALLY INTERESNG TI QUESTION.
>> IT'S A REALLY INTERESNG TI QUESTION.
AND ONE THAT'S UNDERGOING SOME QUESTION.
AND ONE THAT'S UNDERGOING SOME DEBATE RIGHT NOW.
AND ONE THAT'S UNDERGOING SOME DEBATE RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE OF IMMIGRATION, FOR DEBATE RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE OF IMMIGRATION, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A PART OF THE BECAUSE OF IMMIGRATION, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A PART OF THE PARTY THAT'S SAYING, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLE, THERE'S A PART OF THE PARTY THAT'S SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVE PARTY THAT'S SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVE MESSAGE OF 1999 AND 2000 IS ONE THE COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVE MESSAGE OF 1999 AND 2000 IS ONE THAT WE COULD -- SHOULD EMBRACE MESSAGE OF 1999 AND 2000 IS ONE THAT WE COULD -- SHOULD EMBRACE AND WE WOULD DO BETTER IF WE THAT WE COULD -- SHOULD EMBRACE AND WE WOULD DO BETTER IF WE DID.
AND WE WOULD DO BETTER IF WE DID.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE ARE DID.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE ARE PEOPLE WITHIN THE PARTY WHO ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE ARE PEOPLE WITHIN THE PARTY WHO STILL BELIEVE A, THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE WITHIN THE PARTY WHO STILL BELIEVE A, THAT BECAUSE OF HIS UNPOPULARITY AS HE LEFT STILL BELIEVE A, THAT BECAUSE OF HIS UNPOPULARITY AS HE LEFT OFFICE, AND B, BECAUSE OF SOME OF HIS UNPOPULARITY AS HE LEFT OFFICE, AND B, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE DECISIONS HE'S MADE, OFFICE, AND B, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE DECISIONS HE'S MADE, HE'S STILL SOMETHING OF A TOXIC OF THE DECISIONS HE'S MADE, HE'S STILL SOMETHING OF A TOXIC FIGURE IN A GENERAL ELECTION.
HE'S STILL SOMETHING OF A TOXIC FIGURE IN A GENERAL ELECTION.
AND THEY WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM FIGURE IN A GENERAL ELECTION.
AND THEY WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM HIM.
AND THEY WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM HIM.
GWEN: SO STORY IS STILL BEING HIM.
GWEN: SO STORY IS STILL BEING TOLD ABOUT HIM AND PROBABLY GWEN: SO STORY IS STILL BEING TOLD ABOUT HIM AND PROBABLY ABOUT ALL OF IT, THE OTHER TOLD ABOUT HIM AND PROBABLY ABOUT ALL OF IT, THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CLUB AS WELL.
ABOUT ALL OF IT, THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CLUB AS WELL.
THANKS, DAN.
MEMBERS OF THE CLUB AS WELL.
THANKS, DAN.
AND THANKS, EVERYBODY ELSE AS THANKS, DAN.
AND THANKS, EVERYBODY ELSE AS ELL.
AND THANKS, EVERYBODY ELSE AS ELL.
WE'VE GOT TO GO FOR NOW.
ELL.
WE'VE GOT TO GO FOR NOW.
BUT THE CONVERSATION WILL WE'VE GOT TO GO FOR NOW.
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YOU DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THIS WEEK.
AND WHY IT FAILED.
WEEK.
AND WHY IT FAILED.
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GOOD NIGHT.
