Sexism & Tech; Immigration Crisis; Fertility Decline

07/03/2014 | 25m 49s | Video has closed captioning.

Sexism & Tech: Yet another scandal in the tech industry leads to accusations of "frat culture." Immigration Crisis: Thousands of minors who crossed into the US illegally are being deported. Fertility Decline: Why the US's record-low fertility rate may not be cause for alarm. PANEL: Rina Shah, Kim Gandy, Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, Darlene Kennedy

Aired: 07/03/14

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Funding for TO THE CONTRARY is provided by the E. Rhodes and Leona B. Carpenter Foundation, the Park Foundation and the Charles A. Frueauff Foundation.

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CHARLES A FEW HAUGH FOUNDATION.

THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY: THIS WEEK ON TO THE CONTRARY: FIRST, SEXISM SCANDALS AND THE FIRST, SEXISM SCANDALS AND THE TECH INDUSTRY.

TECH INDUSTRY.

THEN, THE PRESIDENT'S WARNING THEN, THE PRESIDENT'S WARNING ABOUT THOUSANDS OF ILLEGAL ABOUT THOUSANDS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CHILDREN AND TEENS.

IMMIGRANT CHILDREN AND TEENS.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES: THE GLOBAL BEHIND THE HEADLINES: THE GLOBAL SPREAD OF FERTILITY DECLINE.

>> HELLO, I'M BONNIE ERBE.

WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A WELCOME TO TO THE CONTRARY, A DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL DISCUSSION OF NEWS AND SOCIAL TRENDS FROM DIVERSE TRENDS FROM DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES.

PERSPECTIVES.

UP FIRST, SEXISM AND TECHNOLOGY.

>> A "FRAT-LIKE" CULTURE COULD >> A "FRAT-LIKE" CULTURE COULD BE SABOTAGING EFFORTS TO BE SABOTAGING EFFORTS TO ATTRACT, RETAIN AND PROMOTE ATTRACT, RETAIN AND PROMOTE WOMEN IN THE TECH FIELD.

WOMEN IN THE TECH FIELD.

YET ANOTHER SEXISM SCANDAL IS YET ANOTHER SEXISM SCANDAL IS ROCKING THE INDUSTRY.

ROCKING THE INDUSTRY.

DATING APP TINDER IS BEING SUED DATING APP TINDER IS BEING SUED FOR SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND FOR SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND DISCRIMINATION BY A FORMER DISCRIMINATION BY A FORMER MARKETING EXECUTIVE.

MARKETING EXECUTIVE.

SHE ALLEGES HER BOSS STRIPPED SHE ALLEGES HER BOSS STRIPPED HER OF CO-FOUNDER STATUS, SAYING HER OF CO-FOUNDER STATUS, SAYING HAVING A "24-YEAR-OLD GIRL" WITH HAVING A "24-YEAR-OLD GIRL" WITH THAT TITLE MADE THE COMPANY THAT TITLE MADE THE COMPANY "SEEM LIKE A JOKE."

"SEEM LIKE A JOKE."

THE SUIT ALSO CHARGES THAT HER THE SUIT ALSO CHARGES THAT HER BOSS INSULTED HER IN FRONT OF BOSS INSULTED HER IN FRONT OF THE CEO, CALLING HER A "WHORE."

THE CEO, CALLING HER A "WHORE."

IT'S JUST THE LATEST IN A STRING IT'S JUST THE LATEST IN A STRING OF SIMILAR CASES.

OF SIMILAR CASES.

EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE CEO OF EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE CEO OF RADIUMONE WAS CONVICTED OF RADIUMONE WAS CONVICTED OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

AND LAST MONTH, THE CEO OF AND LAST MONTH, THE CEO OF SNAPCHAT, A PICTURE-SHARING APP, SNAPCHAT, A PICTURE-SHARING APP, WAS OUTED AS A CHAUVINIST WHEN WAS OUTED AS A CHAUVINIST WHEN MISOGYNISTIC E-MAILS FROM HIS MISOGYNISTIC E-MAILS FROM HIS COLLEGE DAYS SURFACED.

COLLEGE DAYS SURFACED.

>> SO, KIM GANDY, GOOGLE AND >> SO, KIM GANDY, GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK RECENTLY RELEASED FACEBOOK RECENTLY RELEASED INFORMATION FROM WOMEN AT OR INFORMATION FROM WOMEN AT OR NEAR THE TOP, IS THE FRAT NEAR THE TOP, IS THE FRAT CULTURE THE REASON FOR THIS?

CULTURE THE REASON FOR THIS?

>> THERE IS DEFINITELY A SENSE >> THERE IS DEFINITELY A SENSE THAT WOMEN WERE NOT PARTICULARLY THAT WOMEN WERE NOT PARTICULARLY WELCOMED IN THE HIGH-TECH WELCOMED IN THE HIGH-TECH INDUSTRY, BUT GOOGLE AND INDUSTRY, BUT GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK AND YAHOO!

HAVE ALL FACEBOOK AND YAHOO!

HAVE ALL MADE CONVERTED EFFORTS RECENTLY MADE CONVERTED EFFORTS RECENTLY TO HAVE MORE WOMEN IN TOP TO HAVE MORE WOMEN IN TOP POSITIONS, AND I THINK THAT IS POSITIONS, AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE HELPFUL.

GOING TO BE HELPFUL.

>> I THINK IS IT UNFORTUNATE >> I THINK IS IT UNFORTUNATE THAT THERE IS A FRAT MENTALITY.

THAT THERE IS A FRAT MENTALITY.

IT'S A YOUNG-MAN'S GAME SO TO IT'S A YOUNG-MAN'S GAME SO TO SPEAK.

SPEAK.

AND WOMEN ARE IN THIS INDUSTRY AND WOMEN ARE IN THIS INDUSTRY AND I THINK THEY NEED TO BE AND I THINK THEY NEED TO BE RESPECTED AND RECOGNIZED.

RESPECTED AND RECOGNIZED.

>> BONNIE, IT IS LONG DOCUMENTED >> BONNIE, IT IS LONG DOCUMENTED THAT WOMEN HAVE A VIVALLIZING THAT WOMEN HAVE A VIVALLIZING EFFECT ON MEN, SO MEN, EFFECT ON MEN, SO MEN, ESPECIALLY YOUNG MEN, WITHOUT ESPECIALLY YOUNG MEN, WITHOUT WOMEN AROUND, MISBEHAVE.

WOMEN AROUND, MISBEHAVE.

[ LAUGHS ] [ LAUGHS ] >> I THINK WITH THE NUMBERS, THE >> I THINK WITH THE NUMBERS, THE LOW NUMBERS OF WOMEN IN THE LOW NUMBERS OF WOMEN IN THE TECHNOLOGY INDUSTRY, THAT IS DUE TECHNOLOGY INDUSTRY, THAT IS DUE TO LOW NUMBERS OF YOUNG GIRLS TO LOW NUMBERS OF YOUNG GIRLS AND WOMEN GOING INTRORELATED AND WOMEN GOING INTRORELATED FELD.

FELD.

WE NEED MORE GIRLS PURSUING WE NEED MORE GIRLS PURSUING CREASE IN THOSE FIELDS.

CREASE IN THOSE FIELDS.

>> WE ALSO HAVE STUDIES SHOWING >> WE ALSO HAVE STUDIES SHOWING THAT A LOT OF THEM GO IN AND THAT A LOT OF THEM GO IN AND LEAVE BECAUSE OF THE ATMOSPHERE.

LEAVE BECAUSE OF THE ATMOSPHERE.

SO, 15 OR MORE YEARS AGO, I DID SO, 15 OR MORE YEARS AGO, I DID A STORY AT CARNEGIE MELLON A STORY AT CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF COMPUTER UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF COMPUTER SCIENCE.

SCIENCE.

THEY HAD A SPECIAL PROGRAM TO THEY HAD A SPECIAL PROGRAM TO BRING A LOT OF YOUNG WOMEN OF BRING A LOT OF YOUNG WOMEN OF COLOR INTO COMPUTER SCIENCE.

COLOR INTO COMPUTER SCIENCE.

THEY BROUGHT THEM IN.

THEY GOT THEIR DEGREES AND WENT THEY GOT THEIR DEGREES AND WENT OUT IN THE WORLD AND THEY GOT OUT IN THE WORLD AND THEY GOT JOBS AND THEN FIVE YEARS AGO OR JOBS AND THEN FIVE YEARS AGO OR SO, I SAW A STUDY SHOWING THAT SO, I SAW A STUDY SHOWING THAT THE INDUSTRY DEPENDENT RETAIN THE INDUSTRY DEPENDENT RETAIN THEM.

THEM.

-- DIDN'T RETAIN THEM.

THESE ARE THE SAME YOUNG GUYS WE THESE ARE THE SAME YOUNG GUYS WE TALKED ABOUT IN ANOTHER VENUE, TALKED ABOUT IN ANOTHER VENUE, THESE ARE THE YOUNG GUYS WHO ARE THESE ARE THE YOUNG GUYS WHO ARE BEING MORE INVOLVED FATHERS.

BEING MORE INVOLVED FATHERS.

WHAT IS THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT IS THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN YOUNG MEN GETTING HYPERABOUT A YOUNG MEN GETTING HYPERABOUT A MALE-FEMALE RELATIONSHIP AT HOME MALE-FEMALE RELATIONSHIP AT HOME AND JUST AS IGNORANT ABOUT THE AND JUST AS IGNORANT ABOUT THE 50s WHEN IT COMES TO THE 50s WHEN IT COMES TO THE WORKPLACE?

WORKPLACE?

>> AGAIN, IT GOES TO THAT >> AGAIN, IT GOES TO THAT BRO-LIKE CULTURE.

BRO-LIKE CULTURE.

THIS IS THE GUY'S CLUB HERE.

WE DO WHAT WE DO, MUCH LIKE IN WE DO WHAT WE DO, MUCH LIKE IN COLLEGE WHEN THEY WERE MAJORING COLLEGE WHEN THEY WERE MAJORING TOGETHER.

TOGETHER.

I WAS AN ENGINEERING MAJOR IN I WAS AN ENGINEERING MAJOR IN COLLEGE AND I DROPPED OUT COLLEGE AND I DROPPED OUT BECAUSE I WAS TOLD IT IS BETTER BECAUSE I WAS TOLD IT IS BETTER FOR YOU TO PURSUE THIS EASIER FOR YOU TO PURSUE THIS EASIER FIELD.

FIELD.

YOU'LL FINISH COLLEGE QUICKER YOU'LL FINISH COLLEGE QUICKER AND YOU'LL VEY BETTER -- I WAS AND YOU'LL VEY BETTER -- I WAS SWAYED BY MY SUPERIORS, BY SWAYED BY MY SUPERIORS, BY MALES.

MALES.

I HAD THE MARKS.

I WAS A STRONG PERSONALITY.

I WAS GOING TO STICK IN IF I I WAS GOING TO STICK IN IF I WANTED TO AND DROP OUT IF I WANTED TO AND DROP OUT IF I WANTED TO.

WANTED TO.

I KNOW THESE GIRLS ARE FEELING I KNOW THESE GIRLS ARE FEELING THEY ARE ALONE IN THIS THING THEY ARE ALONE IN THIS THING BECAUSE THE GUYS MAKE IT THIS BECAUSE THE GUYS MAKE IT THIS WAY.

WAY.

>> IT IS VERY HARD IN A MAN'S >> IT IS VERY HARD IN A MAN'S FIELD.

FIELD.

IF YOU HAVE I MAN'S FIELD WHO IF YOU HAVE I MAN'S FIELD WHO DEVELOPED THEIR OWN YOUNG-MEN'S DEVELOPED THEIR OWN YOUNG-MEN'S CULTURE, IT WILL BE HARDER.

CULTURE, IT WILL BE HARDER.

I THINK RETAINING YOUNG GIRLS I THINK RETAINING YOUNG GIRLS WHO SEE THIS AS A FIELD THEY ARE WHO SEE THIS AS A FIELD THEY ARE VERY INTERESTED IN, OFTEN VERY VERY INTERESTED IN, OFTEN VERY ADEPT IN, BUT JUST LIKE YOU, ADEPT IN, BUT JUST LIKE YOU, TURN AWAY FROM IT BECAUSE NOBODY TURN AWAY FROM IT BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO BE IN THAT KIND OF WANTS TO BE IN THAT KIND OF UNCOMFORTABLE ATMOSPHERE.

UNCOMFORTABLE ATMOSPHERE.

>> I MEAN, I'M APPALLED BY THIS >> I MEAN, I'M APPALLED BY THIS BEHAVIOR AND PARTICULARLY SINCE BEHAVIOR AND PARTICULARLY SINCE MY SON DOES WANT TO GO INTO THE MY SON DOES WANT TO GO INTO THE TECH FIELD AND I WOULD LIKE TO TECH FIELD AND I WOULD LIKE TO THINK I RAISED HIM TO BE A THINK I RAISED HIM TO BE A BETTER YOUNG MAN THAN WHAT I'M BETTER YOUNG MAN THAN WHAT I'M HEARING.

HEARING.

WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE MORE WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE MORE WOMEN TO BE IN THE FIELD IN WOMEN TO BE IN THE FIELD IN ORDER TO TAME THE BEHAVIOR.

ORDER TO TAME THE BEHAVIOR.

PART OF IT IS, THEY FEEL IF PART OF IT IS, THEY FEEL IF THERE AREN'T WOMEN AROUND, TO THERE AREN'T WOMEN AROUND, TO THINK IT IS CRAZY TO THINK THAT THINK IT IS CRAZY TO THINK THAT WAY, WE ARE GUYS AND WE CAN DO WAY, WE ARE GUYS AND WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT AND GET AWAY WITH WHAT WE WANT AND GET AWAY WITH IT.

IT.

IT'S UNACCEPTABLE.

>> I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.

I GUESS I LIVE IN SUCH A I GUESS I LIVE IN SUCH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORLD.

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORLD.

IT'S A SMALL WORLD.

IT'S MY OWN WORLD AND IT'S IT'S MY OWN WORLD AND IT'S POPULATED WITH A LOT OF WOMEN POPULATED WITH A LOT OF WOMEN BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT I DO.

BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT I DO.

BUT, I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT BUT, I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THAT GUYS WHO WERE IN THEIR 20s GUYS WHO WERE IN THEIR 20s NOW, SO BORN JUST BEFORE THEA A NOW, SO BORN JUST BEFORE THEA A FEW YEARS BEFORE THE MILLENNIUM, FEW YEARS BEFORE THE MILLENNIUM, ARE STILL BEING RAISED THINKING ARE STILL BEING RAISED THINKING THEY CAN DO THIS?

THEY CAN DO THIS?

WHAT ARE THEIR MOTHERS AND WHAT ARE THEIR MOTHERS AND FATHERS TEACHING THEM?

FATHERS TEACHING THEM?

WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM?

>> IT'S THE MINORITY WHOA ARE >> IT'S THE MINORITY WHOA ARE THAT WAY AND I THINK IN ANY THAT WAY AND I THINK IN ANY GENERATION, YOU'LL HAVE A GENERATION, YOU'LL HAVE A MINORITY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T MINORITY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP WITH THE TIMES.

CAUGHT UP WITH THE TIMES.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS DIFFERENT IS YOU HAVE A LOT IS DIFFERENT IS YOU HAVE A LOT OF COMPANIES THAT ARE BEING RUN OF COMPANIES THAT ARE BEING RUN BY 19 AND 20-YEAR-OLDS.

BY 19 AND 20-YEAR-OLDS.

THEY DON'T HAVE THE MATURITY AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE MATURITY AND TO MAKE BUSINESS DECISIONS IN TO MAKE BUSINESS DECISIONS IN THE WAY THAT THEY MIGHT IF THEY THE WAY THAT THEY MIGHT IF THEY WERE 27 OR 28.

WERE 27 OR 28.

>> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE BUT >> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE BUT WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN -- I MEAN, WHY HAVEN'T THEY BEEN -- I MEAN, THEY TALK ABOUT YOUNG PEOPLE NOT THEY TALK ABOUT YOUNG PEOPLE NOT SEEING COLOR THE WAY OLDER SEEING COLOR THE WAY OLDER GENERATIONS DO.

GENERATIONS DO.

I DON'T SEE IT.

I NEVER DID, BECAUSE I WENT IN I NEVER DID, BECAUSE I WENT IN THE 60s TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL IN THE 60s TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL IN NEW YORK CITY THAT WAS, AS WE NEW YORK CITY THAT WAS, AS WE SAID BACK THEN, SHOWS YOU HOW SAID BACK THEN, SHOWS YOU HOW OLD I AM, INTEGRATED.

OLD I AM, INTEGRATED.

NOW IT WOULD BE DIVERSE OR NOW IT WOULD BE DIVERSE OR MULTICULTURAL.

MULTICULTURAL.

BUT I GREW UP WITH PEOPLE OF ALL BUT I GREW UP WITH PEOPLE OF ALL DIFFERENT COLORS IN MY SCHOOL.

DIFFERENT COLORS IN MY SCHOOL.

SO I'M THINKING IF BOYS ARE SO I'M THINKING IF BOYS ARE GROWING UP THINKING GIRLS ARE GROWING UP THINKING GIRLS ARE EQUAL, THEN WHY WOULD THEY GET EQUAL, THEN WHY WOULD THEY GET INTO THE WORKFORCE AND SOME OF INTO THE WORKFORCE AND SOME OF THEM, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S A THEM, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S A MINORITY.

MINORITY.

WE SHOULD REMEMBER.

IT'S A MINORITY.

BUT WHERE SOME OF THEM COME OFF BUT WHERE SOME OF THEM COME OFF WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY CAN CALL WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY CAN CALL A FEMALE WORKING WITH THEM A A FEMALE WORKING WITH THEM A WHORE?

WHORE?

ISN'T IT LOVELY THEY CAN LIVE IN ISN'T IT LOVELY THEY CAN LIVE IN TWO WORLDS?

TWO WORLDS?

PRETEND TO BE FATHERS AND IN PRETEND TO BE FATHERS AND IN FACT BE GOOD FATHERS AND THEN FACT BE GOOD FATHERS AND THEN THEY CAN GO TO WORK AND BE GOOD THEY CAN GO TO WORK AND BE GOOD OLE' BOYS OR GOOD YOUNG BOYS OLE' BOYS OR GOOD YOUNG BOYS AGAIN?

AGAIN?

I THINK IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE I THINK IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE CULTURE AND WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO CULTURE AND WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO DISENGAGE IT.

DISENGAGE IT.

REMEMBER, WE ALSO SEE GROWING REMEMBER, WE ALSO SEE GROWING RAPE ON CAMPUS, GROWING SEXUAL RAPE ON CAMPUS, GROWING SEXUAL HARASSMENT ON CAMPUS.

HARASSMENT ON CAMPUS.

>> HOW DO WE CHANGE IT?

ANY IDEA?

>> YOU WOULD THINK -- 10 YEARS >> YOU WOULD THINK -- 10 YEARS AGO, AND NOW THERE ARE GIRLS WHO AGO, AND NOW THERE ARE GIRLS WHO CODE, WOMEN WHO CODE, GROUPS.

CODE, WOMEN WHO CODE, GROUPS.

THEY ARE ALL OVER.

SPROUTING UP EVERYWHERE AND SPROUTING UP EVERYWHERE AND WOMEN DEVELOPERS AND ENGINEERS WOMEN DEVELOPERS AND ENGINEERS COMING TOGETHER AND FORMING COMING TOGETHER AND FORMING SISTERHOODS AND THEY ARE SISTERHOODS AND THEY ARE EVERYWHERE.

EVERYWHERE.

BEYOND SILICON VALLEY NOW.

IT'S WOMEN HELPING WOMEN.

>> AND IT WILL ALSO BE TO THEIR >> AND IT WILL ALSO BE TO THEIR ADVANTAGE IF THE MEN WHO ARE -- ADVANTAGE IF THE MEN WHO ARE -- THE MAJORITY OF MEN WHO DO THE MAJORITY OF MEN WHO DO BEHAVE WELL, TO REALLY BRING BEHAVE WELL, TO REALLY BRING THESE GUYS ASIDE AND SAY THIS IS THESE GUYS ASIDE AND SAY THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.

UNACCEPTABLE.

THIS IS NOT WHAT WE SNEED TO THIS IS NOT WHAT WE SNEED TO REPRESENT AS A INDUSTRY OR AS REPRESENT AS A INDUSTRY OR AS MEN.

MEN.

>> IT'S PART OF BUILDING A >> IT'S PART OF BUILDING A BYSTANDER OF CULTURE, SEXUAL BYSTANDER OF CULTURE, SEXUAL FAULT, SEXUAL HARASSMENT, FAULT, SEXUAL HARASSMENT, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, SO MEN WHO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, SO MEN WHO ENDURED THIS AND WOMEN HAVE TO ENDURED THIS AND WOMEN HAVE TO SAY IT'S NOT OKAY.

SAY IT'S NOT OKAY.

>> PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT RAPE >> PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT RAPE IS RAMPANT IN THIS NERD VALLEY IS RAMPANT IN THIS NERD VALLEY SOME PEOPLE CALL IT.

SOME PEOPLE CALL IT.

THEY TYPICALLY THINK IT IS MORE THEY TYPICALLY THINK IT IS MORE RAMPANT ON WALL STREET.

RAMPANT ON WALL STREET.

SO I THINK IT IS UNEXPECTED AND SO I THINK IT IS UNEXPECTED AND NOW THAT THERE IS AWARENESS TO NOW THAT THERE IS AWARENESS TO IT IT WILL BE GOOD.

IT IT WILL BE GOOD.

>> ALL RIGHT.

KEEP PUSHING THAT AWARENESS.

PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER @BONNIE ERBE.

@BONNIE ERBE.

FROM TECHNOLOGY TO IMMIGRATION.

>> FROM TECHNOLOGY TO >> FROM TECHNOLOGY TO IMMIGRATION IMMIGRATION PRESIDENT OBAMA TOLD CENTRAL PRESIDENT OBAMA TOLD CENTRAL AMERICAN PARENTS THIS WEEK TO AMERICAN PARENTS THIS WEEK TO STOP SENDING THEIR KIDS TO THE STOP SENDING THEIR KIDS TO THE BORDER.

BORDER.

THE PRESIDENT WILL FORMALLY THE PRESIDENT WILL FORMALLY REQUEST TWO BILLION DOLLARS AND REQUEST TWO BILLION DOLLARS AND APPROVAL FROM CONGRESS TO DEPORT APPROVAL FROM CONGRESS TO DEPORT THOUSANDS OF UNACCOMPANIED THOUSANDS OF UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN WHO ILLEGALLY CROSSED CHILDREN WHO ILLEGALLY CROSSED THE SOUTHWEST BORDER.

THE SOUTHWEST BORDER.

FIFTY-TWO-THOUSAND CENTRAL FIFTY-TWO-THOUSAND CENTRAL AMERICAN MINORS HAVE BEEN AMERICAN MINORS HAVE BEEN DETAINED SINCE OCTOBER CREATING DETAINED SINCE OCTOBER CREATING WHAT'S BEING CALLED A WHAT'S BEING CALLED A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.

HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.

MANY OF THE CHILDREN ARE FLEEING MANY OF THE CHILDREN ARE FLEEING VIOLENCE AND BELIEVE THEY WILL VIOLENCE AND BELIEVE THEY WILL BE GIVEN PERMISSION TO STAY.

BE GIVEN PERMISSION TO STAY.

FRUSTRATED WITH AN UNCLEAR, FRUSTRATED WITH AN UNCLEAR, BROKEN SYSTEM, AND HOUSE BROKEN SYSTEM, AND HOUSE REPUBLICANS' FOR FAILURE TO PASS REPUBLICANS' FOR FAILURE TO PASS AN IMMIGRATION BILL, THE AN IMMIGRATION BILL, THE PRESIDENT ALSO ANNOUNCED HE PRESIDENT ALSO ANNOUNCED HE PLANS TO TAKE EXECUTIVE ACTION PLANS TO TAKE EXECUTIVE ACTION WHEREVER POSSIBLE TO ADDRESS WHEREVER POSSIBLE TO ADDRESS IMMIGRATION.

IMMIGRATION.

>> FIRST I WANT TO KNOW IS >> FIRST I WANT TO KNOW IS CONGRESS GOING TO APPROVE THIS CONGRESS GOING TO APPROVE THIS TWO BILLION DOLLARS AND TWO BILLION DOLLARS AND SECONDLY, I WANT TO KNOW WHERE SECONDLY, I WANT TO KNOW WHERE DOES THE PRESIDENT FIND THIS DOES THE PRESIDENT FIND THIS MONEY?

MONEY?

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT COULD THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT COULD BE DYING A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.

BE DYING A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.

>> YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT AS A >> YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT AS A CRISIS.

CRISIS.

I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS THE I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS THE MOST AWFUL DILEMMA.

MOST AWFUL DILEMMA.

IF YOU CAME FROM A COUNTRY THAT IF YOU CAME FROM A COUNTRY THAT IS CONTIGUOUS TO THE UNITED IS CONTIGUOUS TO THE UNITED STATES, LIKE CANADA OR MEXICO, STATES, LIKE CANADA OR MEXICO, YOU TURN RIGHT AROUND, YOUNG OR YOU TURN RIGHT AROUND, YOUNG OR OLD AND BE SENT BACK.

OLD AND BE SENT BACK.

BUT FROM NONCONTIGUOUS BUT FROM NONCONTIGUOUS COUNTRIES, THANKS TO PRESIDENT COUNTRIES, THANKS TO PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, THEN YOU COULD GEORGE W. BUSH, THEN YOU COULD COME.

COME.

THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO, I SHOULD THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO, I SHOULD SAY, NOTHING TO DO, VERY LITTLE SAY, NOTHING TO DO, VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH THE DREAMER MENTALITY TO DO WITH THE DREAMER MENTALITY F THAT WERE THE CASE THEY WOULD F THAT WERE THE CASE THEY WOULD HAVE COME WHEN IT WAS AT ITS HAVE COME WHEN IT WAS AT ITS HEIGHT.

HEIGHT.

>> THEY ARE RESPONDING TO >> THEY ARE RESPONDING TO PROBLEMS -- GUATEMALA IS A WRECK PROBLEMS -- GUATEMALA IS A WRECK RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW.

IT'S FULL OF CRIME.

HON DUR ASS IS A LOT OF THE HON DUR ASS IS A LOT OF THE CRIME IS MOVING UP FROM CRIME IS MOVING UP FROM COLUMBIA.

COLUMBIA.

A LOT OF THE DRUG CRIME IS A LOT OF THE DRUG CRIME IS MOVING NORTH TO COUNTRIES WHERE MOVING NORTH TO COUNTRIES WHERE IT WASN'T 5 OR 10 YEARS AGO.

IT WASN'T 5 OR 10 YEARS AGO.

SO THIS IS CHAOS AT HOME.

BUT, UNDER THE 1994 U.N. MEETING BUT, UNDER THE 1994 U.N. MEETING ON POPULATION AND DEVELOPMENT, ON POPULATION AND DEVELOPMENT, ALL COUNTRIES AGREED TO BE ALL COUNTRIES AGREED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN POPULATIONS.

POPULATIONS.

WE AGREED TO THAT WHICH WE WE AGREED TO THAT WHICH WE RARELY AGREE TO U.N. MANDATES OR RARELY AGREE TO U.N. MANDATES OR TREATIES OR RULES.

TREATIES OR RULES.

AND YET, NOBODY ELSE IS DOING AND YET, NOBODY ELSE IS DOING IT.

IT.

>> WELL, REMEMBER, HE CAN'T DO >> WELL, REMEMBER, HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE WHO COME.

ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE WHO COME.

THE LAW SAYS THEY HAVE TO BE THE LAW SAYS THEY HAVE TO BE PROCESSED IN A CERTAIN WAY.

PROCESSED IN A CERTAIN WAY.

>> CHANGE THE LAW.

>> WELL, THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD >> WELL, THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO GET CONSENSUS ON THAT.

TO GET CONSENSUS ON THAT.

>> WHY IN.

>> WHAT HE CAN DO -- >> WHAT HE CAN DO -- >> WHY WOULD IT BE HARD?

>> WHY WOULD IT BE HARD?

THIS WOULD BE THE DEMOCRATS NOT THIS WOULD BE THE DEMOCRATS NOT WANTING TO AGREE, RIGHT?

WANTING TO AGREE, RIGHT?

>> THE DEMOCRATS DON'TMENT TO >> THE DEMOCRATS DON'TMENT TO CHANGE A LAW THAT SAYS, CHILDREN CHANGE A LAW THAT SAYS, CHILDREN SHOULD BE SENT BACK TO THIS SHOULD BE SENT BACK TO THIS CRIME AND CHAOS.

CRIME AND CHAOS.

THEY WON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

THEY WILL WANT -- THEY WILL WANT -- >> THEY WOULD RATHER TAKE TWO >> THEY WOULD RATHER TAKE TWO BILLION DOLLARS THAT COULD GO TO BILLION DOLLARS THAT COULD GO TO POOR AMERICANS INCLUDING CHILD POOR AMERICANS INCLUDING CHILD IMMIGRANTS?

IMMIGRANTS?

>> THE TWO MILLION DOLLARS -- >> THE TWO MILLION DOLLARS -- BILLION DOLLARS TO CONTROL THE BILLION DOLLARS TO CONTROL THE BORDER AND TO PROCESSING THE BORDER AND TO PROCESSING THE CHILDREN.

CHILDREN.

WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS TO DO, WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS TO DO, THOUGH, IS SEND A MESSAGE, A THOUGH, IS SEND A MESSAGE, A MESSAGE OUT RIGHT THEN.

MESSAGE OUT RIGHT THEN.

HE IS SENDING PEOPLE TO THESE HE IS SENDING PEOPLE TO THESE COUNTRIES THAT SAY DON'T RISK COUNTRIES THAT SAY DON'T RISK YOUR CHILDREN'S LIVES BY SENDING YOUR CHILDREN'S LIVES BY SENDING THEM BECAUSE WE WILL NOT BE ABLE THEM BECAUSE WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM AND THE LAW TO TAKE CARE OF THEM AND THE LAW DOES NOT APPLY TO THEM.

DOES NOT APPLY TO THEM.

IT'S A HORRIBLE DILEMMA FOR ANY IT'S A HORRIBLE DILEMMA FOR ANY EXECUTIVE TO BE IN THE MIDST OF.

EXECUTIVE TO BE IN THE MIDST OF.

>> I AGREE.

IT'S A CRISIS.

WE SAW A SPIKE IN THE NORMAL WE SAW A SPIKE IN THE NORMAL YEAR.

YEAR.

WE SAW 5000 KIDS COMING OVER WE SAW 5000 KIDS COMING OVER LIKE THIS.

LIKE THIS.

IN 6 MONTHS WE SAW 53,000.

THIS IS A CRISIS.

TWO BILLION DOLLARS I'M VERY TWO BILLION DOLLARS I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT.

CONCERNED ABOUT.

WHAT IS IT GOING TO GO TO?

WE HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY TOLD BY WE HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY TOLD BY PRESIDENT OBAMA IN HIS ASK FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA IN HIS ASK FOR IT.

IT.

I WILL BE INTERESTED TO SEE -- I WILL BE INTERESTED TO SEE -- >> JUST TO HOUSE AND FEED AND >> JUST TO HOUSE AND FEED AND CLOTHE -- CLOTHE -- [ MULTIPLE SPEAKERS ] [ MULTIPLE SPEAKERS ] BUT HE HAS ALREADY SENT AN BUT HE HAS ALREADY SENT AN INFLUX OF JUDGES TO WORK ON INFLUX OF JUDGES TO WORK ON DEPORTATION AS IT IS.

DEPORTATION AS IT IS.

IF WE ARE ACTIVELY DEPORTING, IF WE ARE ACTIVELY DEPORTING, WHY MUST WE ASK FOR SO MUCH WHY MUST WE ASK FOR SO MUCH MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF -- MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF -- >> YOU CAN'T JUST DEPORT THEM.

>> YOU CAN'T JUST DEPORT THEM.

THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS.

PROCESS.

IT LIBRARY USED FOR TWO THINGS.

ONE IN THE BOATERRER TAKING ONE IN THE BOATERRER TAKING PEOPLE FROM ELSEWHERE AND PEOPLE FROM ELSEWHERE AND SENDING THEM TO TRY TO CLOSE THE SENDING THEM TO TRY TO CLOSE THE BORDER EVEN MORE, AND TO TAKE BORDER EVEN MORE, AND TO TAKE CARE OF THE CHILDREN.

CARE OF THE CHILDREN.

SO I CAN'T, THE CONGRESS WILL SO I CAN'T, THE CONGRESS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, WE NOT BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS MONEY WILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS MONEY WILL BE USED FOR.

BE USED FOR.

>> SO ULTIMATELY -- >> SO ULTIMATELY -- >> I WANT TO KNOW WHAT PEOPLE OF >> I WANT TO KNOW WHAT PEOPLE OF COLOR HERE, ESPECIALLY LOWER COLOR HERE, ESPECIALLY LOWER INCOME PEOPLE OF COLOR, INCOME PEOPLE OF COLOR, INCLUDING LATINOS AND AFRICAN INCLUDING LATINOS AND AFRICAN AMERICANS, THINK WHEN THEY SEE AMERICANS, THINK WHEN THEY SEE TWO BILLION DOLLARS APPEAR ON TWO BILLION DOLLARS APPEAR ON THE HORIZON THAT COULD BE GOING THE HORIZON THAT COULD BE GOING FOR FOOD STAMPS, FOR FOR FOOD STAMPS, FOR UNEMPLOYMENT, FOR JOB UNEMPLOYMENT, FOR JOB RETRAINING, FOR THEM.

RETRAINING, FOR THEM.

>> YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN A VERY >> YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN A VERY PRECARIOUS SITUATION.

PRECARIOUS SITUATION.

I KNOW THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS I KNOW THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS BOLSTERED ABOUT THE HOME OF THE BOLSTERED ABOUT THE HOME OF THE FREE AND LAND OF THE BRAVE AND FREE AND LAND OF THE BRAVE AND WE WANT EVERYONE TO COME AND BE WE WANT EVERYONE TO COME AND BE SUCCESSFUL.

SUCCESSFUL.

THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE THIS THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT DOES NEGLECT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT DOES NEGLECT THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY HERE.

THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY HERE.

AND THAT IS A CONCERN.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE EDUCATIONAL BECAUSE YOU HAVE EDUCATIONAL ISSUES, YOU HAVE FINANCIAL ISSUES, YOU HAVE FINANCIAL ISSUES, WE ARE STILL TRYING TO ISSUES, WE ARE STILL TRYING TO GET THROUGH A RECESSION AND GET THROUGH A RECESSION AND JOBLESSNESS IS HIGH.

JOBLESSNESS IS HIGH.

SO TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING IN SO TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING IN AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT IT AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT IT DOES HURT THE POOR COMMUNITIES.

DOES HURT THE POOR COMMUNITIES.

>> IT DOESN'T HURT THE POOR >> IT DOESN'T HURT THE POOR COMMUNITIES AT ALL.

COMMUNITIES AT ALL.

NONE OF IT WILL GO TO A SINGLE NONE OF IT WILL GO TO A SINGLE AMERICAN.

AMERICAN.

THE ONLY BEEF WILL BE THE TEA THE ONLY BEEF WILL BE THE TEA PARTY BECAUSE THEY WILL SAY IT PARTY BECAUSE THEY WILL SAY IT WILL RAISE THE DEFICIT.

WILL RAISE THE DEFICIT.

>> WHERE IS HE TAKING IT FROM?

THE TWO BILLION DOLLARS.

>> WE HAVE THE MONEY.

THE REPUBLICANS WILL BE, YOU'RE THE REPUBLICANS WILL BE, YOU'RE ADDING TO THE DEFICIT.

ADDING TO THE DEFICIT.

AND WE DON'T DO THAT EVEN FOR AND WE DON'T DO THAT EVEN FOR HUMANITARIAN CONCERNS.

HUMANITARIAN CONCERNS.

>> BUT, I MEAN, SEE FROM A >> BUT, I MEAN, SEE FROM A NON-MEMBER OF CONGRESS'S NON-MEMBER OF CONGRESS'S PERSPECTIVE, I'M JUST PLAYING PERSPECTIVE, I'M JUST PLAYING DELVES ADVOCATE WITH YOU.

DELVES ADVOCATE WITH YOU.

THAT WE HAVE GOT THE MONEY SO THAT WE HAVE GOT THE MONEY SO YOU HAVE GOT TWO BILLION YOU HAVE GOT TWO BILLION DOLLARS.

DOLLARS.

WE COULD FIND SOMEWHERE AND WE COULD FIND SOMEWHERE AND THERE ARE SO MANY UNMET SOCIAL THERE ARE SO MANY UNMET SOCIAL NEEDS.

NEEDS.

>> IN THIS COUNTRY -- >> IN THIS COUNTRY -- >> THE LAST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD >> THE LAST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WHO WILL BELIEVE THAT THAT TWO WHO WILL BELIEVE THAT THAT TWO BILLION DOLLARS WOULD GO FOR BILLION DOLLARS WOULD GO FOR THEM, IF WERE NOT GOING FOR THEM, IF WERE NOT GOING FOR CHILDREN WHO HAVE LESS CHAOS, CHILDREN WHO HAVE LESS CHAOS, THE LAST PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THAT, THE LAST PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THAT, ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR.

ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR.

>> BUT IT BREAKS MY HEART TO SEE >> BUT IT BREAKS MY HEART TO SEE THE PICTURES OF THESE KIDS.

THE PICTURES OF THESE KIDS.

BUT IT IS EVIDENCE OF A BROKEN BUT IT IS EVIDENCE OF A BROKEN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM IN THIS IMMIGRATION SYSTEM IN THIS COUNTRY THAT THE ADMINISTRATION COUNTRY THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN TRYING TO FIX.

HAS BEEN TRYING TO FIX.

THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF EFFORTS THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF EFFORTS TO FIX IT.

TO FIX IT.

AND IT STONEWALLED.

SO THERE ARE FAMILIES IN CHAOTIC SO THERE ARE FAMILIES IN CHAOTIC SITUATIONS, MANY OF THEM HAVE SITUATIONS, MANY OF THEM HAVE RELATIVES HERE.

RELATIVES HERE.

THEY ARE TRYING TO REUNITE AND THEY ARE TRYING TO REUNITE AND IN MANY CASES THESE CHILDREN IN MANY CASES THESE CHILDREN WITH THEIR RELATIVES IN THE U.S. WITH THEIR RELATIVES IN THE U.S. AND THEY FINALLY GAVE UP ON AN AND THEY FINALLY GAVE UP ON AN IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT WOULD IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT WOULD LET THEM DO THAT AND THEN JUST LET THEM DO THAT AND THEN JUST SENT THE KIDS, HOPING THAT THEY SENT THE KIDS, HOPING THAT THEY WILL SOMEHOW BE REUNITED.

WILL SOMEHOW BE REUNITED.

>> YOUR IDEA OF A SOLUTION?

>> THE SOLUTIONS ARE NOWHERE ON >> THE SOLUTIONS ARE NOWHERE ON THE BRINK.

THE BRINK.

LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.

BOTH CONGRESS AND THIS PRESIDENT BOTH CONGRESS AND THIS PRESIDENT HAVE BEEN SO PARTISAN.

HAVE BEEN SO PARTISAN.

THEY WANT THEIR PLANS AND WANT THEY WANT THEIR PLANS AND WANT IT ONLY.

IT ONLY.

RUB CANS JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS RUB CANS JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO SAID THEY ARE WILLING TO AGO SAID THEY ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE PRESIDENT ON WHAT WORK WITH THE PRESIDENT ON WHAT MIGHT LOOK GOOD TO AT LEAST HALF MIGHT LOOK GOOD TO AT LEAST HALF OF THE CRIES IN THE SHORT-TERM.

OF THE CRIES IN THE SHORT-TERM.

>> HOW?

IN WHAT WAY?

>> I THINK IT WILL BE SPENDING.

I THINK THAT IS WHAT WILL COME I THINK THAT IS WHAT WILL COME FIRST AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GO FIRST AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO GO PIECEMEAL AND SEE WHAT THE PIECEMEAL AND SEE WHAT THE SENATE AND WANTS THEN COME BACK SENATE AND WANTS THEN COME BACK TO THE HOUSE AND IT WILL BE TO THE HOUSE AND IT WILL BE VOLLEYBALL AGAIN.

VOLLEYBALL AGAIN.

>> ALL RIGHT.

PLEASE WEIGH IN.

>> THIS IS NOT AN EASY ISSUE TO >> THIS IS NOT AN EASY ISSUE TO DEAL WITH AND WITH THE DEAL WITH AND WITH THE REPUBLICANS STEPPING UP TO THE REPUBLICANS STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE, I HOPE WE CAN COME TO A PLATE, I HOPE WE CAN COME TO A COMPROMISE BUT IT CONCERN ME COMPROMISE BUT IT CONCERN ME THAT THIS MONEY THAT WE SAID WE THAT THIS MONEY THAT WE SAID WE DON'T HAVE, NOW WE HAVE, AND NOT DON'T HAVE, NOW WE HAVE, AND NOT THAT I DON'T CARE ABOUT CHILDREN THAT I DON'T CARE ABOUT CHILDREN AND THEIR SAFETY IN OTHER AND THEIR SAFETY IN OTHER COUNTRIES BUT WE HAVE TO COME UP COUNTRIES BUT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH WITH BETTER SOLUTIONS.

WITH WITH BETTER SOLUTIONS.

>> THE HOUSE IS THE PROBLEM.

MY SHAT OFF TO THE MY SHAT OFF TO THE BIPARTISANSHIP.

BIPARTISANSHIP.

SENATE.

REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS GOT REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS GOT TOGETHER AND SAID SOMETHING MUST TOGETHER AND SAID SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.

BE DONE.

THE PROBLEM HERE IS THE TEA THE PROBLEM HERE IS THE TEA PARTY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES PARTY HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING EVEN DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING EVEN IF THERE IS SAY HUMANITARIAN IF THERE IS SAY HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.

CRISIS.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES: FERTILITY BEHIND THE HEADLINES: FERTILITY DECLINE.

DECLINE.

WITH MOTHERS IN DEVELOPED WITH MOTHERS IN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES HAVING FEWER CHILDREN, COUNTRIES HAVING FEWER CHILDREN, MANY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT A "BABY MANY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT A "BABY BUST."

BUT IS THAT ANXIETY JUST BUST."

BUT IS THAT ANXIETY JUST ALARMISM?

ALARMISM?

>> I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT IT IS >> I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT IT IS ABOUT HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY THAT ABOUT HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY THAT LEADS PEOPLE TO BECOME LEADS PEOPLE TO BECOME EXCESSIVELY ALARMED ABOUT EXCESSIVELY ALARMED ABOUT POPULATION CHANGE.

POPULATION CHANGE.

>> AUTHOR AND RESEARCHER MICHAEL >> AUTHOR AND RESEARCHER MICHAEL TEITELBAUM SAYS THOSE FEARS, TEITELBAUM SAYS THOSE FEARS, WHILE LOUD, ARE NOT NEW.

WHILE LOUD, ARE NOT NEW.

THEY GO BACK TO THE ANCIENT THEY GO BACK TO THE ANCIENT GREEKS AND KEEP COMING AROUND GREEKS AND KEEP COMING AROUND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

AGAIN AND AGAIN.

>> FOR EXAMPLE THE 1930S, >> FOR EXAMPLE THE 1930S, FERTILITY WAS LOW IN EUROPE AND FERTILITY WAS LOW IN EUROPE AND IN THE US AND CANADA.

IN THE US AND CANADA.

AND THERE WERE LOTS OF BOOKS AND THERE WERE LOTS OF BOOKS PUBLISHED WITH AWFUL THREATENING PUBLISHED WITH AWFUL THREATENING TITLES LIKE "TWILIGHT OF TITLES LIKE "TWILIGHT OF PARENTHOOD" IS ONE I REMEMBER.

PARENTHOOD" IS ONE I REMEMBER.

AND THEN ALONG CAME WWII AND AND THEN ALONG CAME WWII AND THEN THE POST WAR BABY BOOM, THEN THE POST WAR BABY BOOM, WIPED ALL OF THAT CONCERN OUT.

WIPED ALL OF THAT CONCERN OUT.

NOBODY COULD BE REALLY WORRIED NOBODY COULD BE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT FERTILITY BEING TOO LOW ABOUT FERTILITY BEING TOO LOW DURING BABY BOOMS, BUT PEOPLE DURING BABY BOOMS, BUT PEOPLE THEN GOT WORRIED ABOUT EXCESSIVE THEN GOT WORRIED ABOUT EXCESSIVE POPULATION GROWTH.

POPULATION GROWTH.

TOO FAST!

AND YOU HAD TOO FAST!

TOO FAST!

AND YOU HAD BOOKS PUBLISHED WITH TITLES LIKE BOOKS PUBLISHED WITH TITLES LIKE "THE POPULATION BOMB", AND THEN "THE POPULATION BOMB", AND THEN FERTILITY TURNED DOWN AGAIN.

FERTILITY TURNED DOWN AGAIN.

>> IN HIS NEW YORK TIMES OP-ED, >> IN HIS NEW YORK TIMES OP-ED, TITLED "BYE BYE BABY", TITLED "BYE BYE BABY", TEITELBAUM CHRONICLES THESE TEITELBAUM CHRONICLES THESE FEARS TO THE PRESENT DAY.

FEARS TO THE PRESENT DAY.

TODAY, THE BOOK TITLES INCLUDE TODAY, THE BOOK TITLES INCLUDE "WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN NO ONE'S "WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN NO ONE'S EXPECTING" AND "THE EMPTY EXPECTING" AND "THE EMPTY CRADLE."

CRADLE."

THE FERTILITY RATE IS DOWN IN THE FERTILITY RATE IS DOWN IN MOST COUNTRIES, WITH THE MOST COUNTRIES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME REGIONS SUCH EXCEPTION OF SOME REGIONS SUCH AS SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA.

AS SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA.

>> US NATIONALLY HAS RELATIVELY >> US NATIONALLY HAS RELATIVELY HIGH FERTILITY RATES CONTRARY TO HIGH FERTILITY RATES CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU MIGHT READ IN SOME WHAT YOU MIGHT READ IN SOME PUBLICATIONS.

RELATIVELY HIGH PUBLICATIONS.

RELATIVELY HIGH FERTILITY RATES COMPARED TO MOST FERTILITY RATES COMPARED TO MOST OTHER ADVANCED DEVELOPED OTHER ADVANCED DEVELOPED INDUSTRIALIZED OR POST INDUSTRIALIZED OR POST INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRIES.

INDUSTRIALIZED COUNTRIES.

>> MANY FACTORS CONTRIBUTE TO >> MANY FACTORS CONTRIBUTE TO THIS GLOBAL TREND.

POLITICS, THIS GLOBAL TREND.

POLITICS, RELIGION, GEOGRAPHY, AND RELIGION, GEOGRAPHY, AND CULTURE, AMONG OTHERS, PLAY A CULTURE, AMONG OTHERS, PLAY A ROLE.

ROLE.

BUT, TEITELBAUM SAYS THERE ARE BUT, TEITELBAUM SAYS THERE ARE COMMON THEMES.

COMMON THEMES.

>> ONE OF THEM IS INCREASING >> ONE OF THEM IS INCREASING EDUCATION AND EMPLOYMENT AMONG EDUCATION AND EMPLOYMENT AMONG WOMEN, WHICH TENDS TO SET UP A WOMEN, WHICH TENDS TO SET UP A CONFLICT, IF YOU WILL, BETWEEN CONFLICT, IF YOU WILL, BETWEEN WORK AND FAMILY .

WORK AND FAMILY .

A SECOND FACTOR IS THE A SECOND FACTOR IS THE AVAILABILITY OF MORE EFFECTIVE AVAILABILITY OF MORE EFFECTIVE SAFE CONTRACEPTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, SAFE CONTRACEPTIVE TECHNOLOGIES, WHICH REALLY DIDN'T APPEAR UNTIL WHICH REALLY DIDN'T APPEAR UNTIL THE 1960S.

THE 1960S.

>> COULD THIS DECLINING >> COULD THIS DECLINING FERTILITY RATE ACTUALLY BE A FERTILITY RATE ACTUALLY BE A GOOD THING?

GOOD THING?

>> IF FERTILITY RATES THAT ARE >> IF FERTILITY RATES THAT ARE HIGH DECLINE TO MODERATE OR EVEN HIGH DECLINE TO MODERATE OR EVEN LOW LEVELS, THE GENERAL PATTERN LOW LEVELS, THE GENERAL PATTERN IS THAT HEALTH IMPROVES, IS THAT HEALTH IMPROVES, PARTICULARLY HEALTH OF WOMEN.

PARTICULARLY HEALTH OF WOMEN.

IF THEY HAVE MANY CHILDREN IN IF THEY HAVE MANY CHILDREN IN VERY SHORT BIRTH INTERVALS VERY SHORT BIRTH INTERVALS BETWEEN THEM THAT TENDS TO BETWEEN THEM THAT TENDS TO COMPROMISE WOMEN'S HEALTH.

COMPROMISE WOMEN'S HEALTH.

THEIR EDUCATION ATTAINMENT OF THEIR EDUCATION ATTAINMENT OF THE CHILDREN TENDS TO INCREASE.

THE CHILDREN TENDS TO INCREASE.

>> WITH MODERN ISSUES SUCH AS >> WITH MODERN ISSUES SUCH AS CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE THREAT OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE THREAT OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS, TEITELBAUM SAYS NUCLEAR WEAPONS, TEITELBAUM SAYS THE AGE-OLD IDEA THAT POPULATION THE AGE-OLD IDEA THAT POPULATION EQUALS POWER IS OUT OF DATE.

EQUALS POWER IS OUT OF DATE.

BUT, PEOPLE REMAIN WORRIED ABOUT BUT, PEOPLE REMAIN WORRIED ABOUT THE DECLINING FERTILITY RATE.

THE DECLINING FERTILITY RATE.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS, THEY SAY, IS THAT THERE WILL NOT THEY SAY, IS THAT THERE WILL NOT BE ENOUGH YOUNG PEOPLE TO BE ENOUGH YOUNG PEOPLE TO SUPPORT RETIRED PEOPLE.

SUPPORT RETIRED PEOPLE.

THE SOLUTION, ACCORDING TO THE SOLUTION, ACCORDING TO TEITELBAUM, IS TO CHANGE THE TEITELBAUM, IS TO CHANGE THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM.

RETIREMENT SYSTEM.

>> IF YOU HAVE A RETIREMENT >> IF YOU HAVE A RETIREMENT SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T CHANGE WITH SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T CHANGE WITH THE CHANGING DEMOGRAPHIC THE CHANGING DEMOGRAPHIC CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU'RE GONNA RUN CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO REALLY SERIOUS PROBLEMS.

INTO REALLY SERIOUS PROBLEMS.

THE US IS ACTUALLY PRETTY WELL THE US IS ACTUALLY PRETTY WELL POSITIONED.

POSITIONED.

IT WAS AHEAD OF THE CURVE IN IT WAS AHEAD OF THE CURVE IN ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE IN THE ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE IN THE 80S.

80S.

THERE WAS A BIPARTISAN THERE WAS A BIPARTISAN COMMISSION THAT RECOMMENDED COMMISSION THAT RECOMMENDED CHANGES IN SOCIAL SECURITY CHANGES IN SOCIAL SECURITY THERE WAS A BIPARTISAN THERE WAS A BIPARTISAN COMMISSION THAT RECOMMENDED COMMISSION THAT RECOMMENDED CHANGES IN SOCIAL SECURITY CHANGES IN SOCIAL SECURITY RETIREMENT AGE.

RETIREMENT AGE.

>> WHILE FERTILITY RATES ARE LOW >> WHILE FERTILITY RATES ARE LOW NOW, TEITELBAUM SAYS THAT'S NOW, TEITELBAUM SAYS THAT'S PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE RECESSIONS THAT AFFECTED THE RECESSIONS THAT AFFECTED THE UNITED STATES AND EUROPE UNITED STATES AND EUROPE >> VERY SENSIBLY YOUNG YOUNG >> VERY SENSIBLY YOUNG YOUNG ADULTS SAY "THIS LOOKS PRETTY ADULTS SAY "THIS LOOKS PRETTY RISKY AS A TIME TO GET MARRIED RISKY AS A TIME TO GET MARRIED OR CERTAINLY AS A TIME TO HAVE A OR CERTAINLY AS A TIME TO HAVE A CHILD, WE'RE GONNA WAIT" AND CHILD, WE'RE GONNA WAIT" AND THEY DEFER BOTH MARRIAGE AND THEY DEFER BOTH MARRIAGE AND CHILDBEARING, AND SO YOU GET CHILDBEARING, AND SO YOU GET THIS DISTORTION IN THE ANNUAL THIS DISTORTION IN THE ANNUAL FERTILITY RATES.

FERTILITY RATES.

BUT BECAUSE OF IMMIGRATION BUT BECAUSE OF IMMIGRATION ADDING 7 FIGURES EVERY YEAR WE ADDING 7 FIGURES EVERY YEAR WE GET TO REPLACEMENT VALUE.

GET TO REPLACEMENT VALUE.

ONE IN ONE OUT, IS THAT A GOOD ONE IN ONE OUT, IS THAT A GOOD THING OR BAD THING?

THING OR BAD THING?

SHOULD WE BE WORRIED ABOUT IT?

>> I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING >> I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO -- THIS PLANET WILL RUN OUT TO -- THIS PLANET WILL RUN OUT OF PEOPLE ANY TIME SOON.

OF PEOPLE ANY TIME SOON.

AS THE GENTLEMAN SAID, THERE ARE AS THE GENTLEMAN SAID, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REASONS, DEMOCFERS A NUMBER OF REASONS, DEMOCFERS DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY THIS IS DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY THIS IS THE WAY IT IS.

THE WAY IT IS.

THERE ARE DECISIONS MADE WITH THERE ARE DECISIONS MADE WITH YOUNG PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY YOUNG PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY BETWEEN THE AGES OF 23-30, GIVE BETWEEN THE AGES OF 23-30, GIVE OR TAKE, TO NOT MARRY EARLY, OR OR TAKE, TO NOT MARRY EARLY, OR STAY MARRIED TO NOT HAVE STAY MARRIED TO NOT HAVE CHILDREN.

CHILDREN.

WE ARE DEALING WITH A GENERATION WE ARE DEALING WITH A GENERATION BEHIND US THAT ARE COMING OUT OF BEHIND US THAT ARE COMING OUT OF COLLEGES AND GRADUATE SCHOOLS COLLEGES AND GRADUATE SCHOOLS AND AREN'T ABLE TO FIND JOBS.

AND AREN'T ABLE TO FIND JOBS.

SO I THINK THEY ARE BEING WISE SO I THINK THEY ARE BEING WISE ENOUGH TO SAY MAYBE I SHOULDN'T ENOUGH TO SAY MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE A JOB UNTIL ECONOMICALLY I HAVE A JOB UNTIL ECONOMICALLY I CAN AFFORD TO BRING ANOTHER CAN AFFORD TO BRING ANOTHER MOUTH TO FEED INTO THE FAMILY.

MOUTH TO FEED INTO THE FAMILY.

>> I SEE YOU NODDING.

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE >> YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAUSES ME CONCERN THINGS THAT CAUSES ME CONCERN WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT, OR TALK WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT, OR TALK ABOUT INCREASING THE RETIREMENT ABOUT INCREASING THE RETIREMENT AGE MORE, BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF AGE MORE, BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT YOUNG PEOPLE THE REASONS THAT YOUNG PEOPLE ARE HAVING TROUBLE FINDING JOBS, ARE HAVING TROUBLE FINDING JOBS, IS BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO ARE 55 OR IS BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO ARE 55 OR 66 OR 67, ARE STILL IN THOSE 66 OR 67, ARE STILL IN THOSE JOBS BECAUSE OF THE GRADUALLY JOBS BECAUSE OF THE GRADUALLY INCREASING RETIREMENT AGE.

INCREASING RETIREMENT AGE.

IF WE KEEP INCREASING RETIREMENT IF WE KEEP INCREASING RETIREMENT AGE, THERE WILL CONTINUE TO BE AGE, THERE WILL CONTINUE TO BE FEWER JOBS AVAILABLE.

FEWER JOBS AVAILABLE.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN TERMS OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN TERMS OF SOCIAL SECURITY IS RAISE THE CAP SOCIAL SECURITY IS RAISE THE CAP ON THE AMOUNT OF EARNINGS YOU ON THE AMOUNT OF EARNINGS YOU CONTRIBUTE THROUGH SOCIAL CONTRIBUTE THROUGH SOCIAL SECURITY.

SECURITY.

IF YOU RAISE THE CAP ON THE IF YOU RAISE THE CAP ON THE AMOUNT OF INCOME THAT IS SUBJECT AMOUNT OF INCOME THAT IS SUBJECT TO SOCIAL SECURITY SO THAT HIGH TO SOCIAL SECURITY SO THAT HIGH EARNERS -- EARNERS -- >> SO NOW IT IS IN THE HIGH >> SO NOW IT IS IN THE HIGH 90s OR -- 90s OR -- [ MULTIPLE SPEAKERS ] [ MULTIPLE SPEAKERS ] >> SO 250 OR SOMETHING?

>> SO 250 OR SOMETHING?

>> OR 200.

AND THAT WOULD RESOLVE THE AND THAT WOULD RESOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR CLOSE TO 100 YEARS.

PROBLEM FOR CLOSE TO 100 YEARS.

ACCORDING TO -- ACCORDING TO -- >> I'M NOT TOO ALARMED BY THIS >> I'M NOT TOO ALARMED BY THIS TO BE HONEST.

TO BE HONEST.

I DON'T THINK IT IS ANYTHING I DON'T THINK IT IS ANYTHING THAT SIGNALS, LET'S CHANGE THAT SIGNALS, LET'S CHANGE EVERYTHING NOW.

EVERYTHING NOW.

WE HAVE KNOWN OUR SOCIAL WE HAVE KNOWN OUR SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM HAS BEEN BROKEN SECURITY SYSTEM HAS BEEN BROKEN FOR A LONG TIME.

FOR A LONG TIME.

IFFY WOULD BE FIX IT GREAT.

THIS IS NOT ALARMING NEWS.

THIS IS NATURAL.

WE SAW SOMETHING LIKE THIS WE SAW SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN IN THE 30s AND IT IS -- HAPPEN IN THE 30s AND IT IS -- >> YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT >> YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT ALARMING?

ALARMING?

>> IT'S NOT ALARMING.

>> THE SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM IS >> THE SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM IS BROKEN?

BROKEN?

>> THAT I'M ALARMED BY.

THE DECLINE OF FERTILITY.

WOMEN CHOOSING TO HOLD OFFA WOMEN CHOOSING TO HOLD OFFA HAVING CHILDREN.

HAVING CHILDREN.

WE WORK A LOT MORE THAN OUR WE WORK A LOT MORE THAN OUR PREDECESSORS DID.

PREDECESSORS DID.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU.

BECAUSE EVEN AS THE DEMOCFER BECAUSE EVEN AS THE DEMOCFER SAID, THIS HAS BEEN CYCLICAL.

SAID, THIS HAS BEEN CYCLICAL.

BUT THIS IS WHAT ALARMS ME.

YOU NOTICE THAT THIS IS GLOBAL.

AND WE ARE NOT JUST TALKING AND WE ARE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS COUNTRY OR COUNTRIES ABOUT THIS COUNTRY OR COUNTRIES THAT ARE RICH.

THAT ARE RICH.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT COUNTRIES ACROSS THE GLOBE.

COUNTRIES ACROSS THE GLOBE.

ALSO GLOBAL IS THE SO-CALLED ALSO GLOBAL IS THE SO-CALLED INCOME GAP.

INCOME GAP.

ONE OF THE ONLY WAYS YOU CAN ONE OF THE ONLY WAYS YOU CAN AFFECT YOUR INCOME IS TO REDUCE AFFECT YOUR INCOME IS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN.

THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN.

AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

HAPPENING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEE LIFE IS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEE LIFE IS BETTER.

BETTER.

AND I DO AGREE, YOU WILL HAVE TO AND I DO AGREE, YOU WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT, NOT JUST SOCIAL LOOK AT, NOT JUST SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM.

SECURITY SYSTEM.

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.

BUT LOOK AT THE WAY IN WHICH BUT LOOK AT THE WAY IN WHICH PEOPLE SAVE FOR RETIREMENT, PEOPLE SAVE FOR RETIREMENT, BECAUSE THE SYSTEM WE NOW DEPEND BECAUSE THE SYSTEM WE NOW DEPEND ON, THE YOUNG TAKING CARE OF THE ON, THE YOUNG TAKING CARE OF THE OLD, IS JUST NOT GOING TO BE OLD, IS JUST NOT GOING TO BE THERE AND WE NOW KNOW HOW MUCH THERE AND WE NOW KNOW HOW MUCH TIME DOES IT TAKE TO TELL US TIME DOES IT TAKE TO TELL US THAT THE RICHER A COUNTRY THAT THE RICHER A COUNTRY BECOMES, THE FEWER CHILDREN THEY BECOMES, THE FEWER CHILDREN THEY ARE GOING TO ALWAYS HAVE.

ARE GOING TO ALWAYS HAVE.

DIFFERENT WAY OF TAKING CARE OF DIFFERENT WAY OF TAKING CARE OF OURSELVES.

OURSELVES.

>> AND THAT IS A GOOD THING OR >> AND THAT IS A GOOD THING OR BAD THING IN YOUR MIND?

BAD THING IN YOUR MIND?

>> OVERALL, IT IS GOOD FOR >> OVERALL, IT IS GOOD FOR WOMEN.

WOMEN.

BECAUSE -- BECAUSE -- >> CAN WE RESOLVE GLOBAL >> CAN WE RESOLVE GLOBAL POVERTY -- BY THE WAY, EVEN POVERTY -- BY THE WAY, EVEN THOUGH FERTILITY RATES ARE THOUGH FERTILITY RATES ARE DECLINING, WE HAVE POPULATION DECLINING, WE HAVE POPULATION MOMENTUM WHERE THERE ARE A LOT MOMENTUM WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AGE OF OF PEOPLE IN THE AGE OF REPRODUCTION.

REPRODUCTION.

SO GLOBAL POPULATION IS NOW 7 SO GLOBAL POPULATION IS NOW 7 GOING ON 9 BILLION BY GOING ON 9 BILLION BY MID-CENTURY.

MID-CENTURY.

SO IT WILL BE A WHILE BEFORE WE SO IT WILL BE A WHILE BEFORE WE START LOSING BILLIONS OF -- OR A START LOSING BILLIONS OF -- OR A LOT OF -- I MEAN, IT'S NOT LOT OF -- I MEAN, IT'S NOT PROJECTED THAT WE'LL EVER GET PROJECTED THAT WE'LL EVER GET BACK DOWN TO 5 BILLION OR 4 BACK DOWN TO 5 BILLION OR 4 BILLION OR SOMETHING THAT SOME BILLION OR SOMETHING THAT SOME SCIENTISTS MIGHT SAY WOULD BE SCIENTISTS MIGHT SAY WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE.

SUSTAINABLE.

SO IS THAT A GOOD TREND OR BAD SO IS THAT A GOOD TREND OR BAD TREND?

TREND?

>> WHAT WE REALLY NEED -- THE >> WHAT WE REALLY NEED -- THE CAPACITY OF THE EARTH TO ABSORB CAPACITY OF THE EARTH TO ABSORB PEOPLE.

PEOPLE.

AND THAT NOW IS BEING REDUCED BY AND THAT NOW IS BEING REDUCED BY CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE HOUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, CLIMATE CHANGE REPRESENTATIVES, CLIMATE CHANGE DENIERS, IS THE SCARIEST PART OF DENIERS, IS THE SCARIEST PART OF BEING A MEMBER OF CONGRESS BEING A MEMBER OF CONGRESS TODAY.

TODAY.

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